The big political news yesterday didn’t actually revolve around Rand Paul and his various temper tantrums. “Sources” revealed to multiple outlets that Hillary Clinton is finally ready to officially announce her candidacy. Reportedly, she’s going to announce first on social media (like her @HillaryClinton Twitter) and then maybe do a speech or something? Which is funny, because by announcing this weekend, she’s stealing Rand Paul’s post-announcement bump AND she’s stealing Marco Rubio’s thunder, because he was all set to announce on Monday.
Sources also say it’s looking more like she’s going to announce on Sunday. Which has already been set aside by many, many people as GAME OF THRONES DAY. I actually feel sorry for all the political reporters who are also GoT nerds. Instead of taking a disco nap to prepare for #WinterIsComing, they’ll have to spend the day recapping Hillary’s inevitability and various conspiracy theories about how she could possibly lose. Why does Hillary Clinton hate Game of Thrones nerds? Why is she trying to steal Arya Stark’s thunder as well as Marco Rubio’s?
There’s some method to the timing of the announcement though – Clinton’s staff just leased office space in Brooklyn, and there are election/campaign rules about spending campaign money on campaign space without officially announcing your candidacy. Clinton had to announce sooner rather than later.
So, are you looking forward to Hillary Clinton’s candidacy? Or are you more psyched about Game of Thrones? #ClintonIsComing #TheNightIsDarkAndFullOfHillarys
Photos courtesy of WENN.
I am shocked! Who saw this coming? W
I still can’t believe it 😀
Shoot me now.
#TheNightIsDarkAndFullOfHillarys
I love this
Hahaha!
Well, I’m not her biggest fan either.
BUT . . .
when you picture what kind of ignoramus she’ll end up running against, she won’t look quite so bad to all of us.
Mitt? Jeb? Chris Christie? These men make Hillary look like really good to me by comparison. And Warren seems great, but we don’t know her position on anything except the banks — do we? She looks like a saint because we know so little about her.
Someone has to win the election, and candidates reflect the voters — and corporations — who elected them.
Take a good look in the mirror.
^This!
nah…I’ll just pull the voting machine lever for Hilary.
Lol…yes, there’s not much difference
haha OK you made me laugh 🙂 I’ve actually liked reading your posts on here, you made the political post a little more fun to read. Boring when everyone thinks the same.
It’s both complicated and very simple: As a longtime feminist, I’m dying for us to finally have a woman president…BUT…because it matters so very much, I want our first female POTUS to be a viable, admirable stateswoman, NOT the female incarnation of Dick Nixon: paranoid, vindictive, sneaky and dissembling, and liable to keep an enormous Enemies List.
Hillary plays fast and loose with the truth, has ethical standards that are questionable at best and Machiavellian at worst, and she is chronically embittered against those she believes have plotted against her.
YES to a female POTUS, and the sooner the better…IF she’s the right woman to show the world that it’s way past time for the first female President of the United States. NO, then, to Hillary Clinton, because we don’t want the first female presidency to go down in flames.
^^^THIS. I want to want to vote for her. I just can’t. I don’t trust her. Not that I trust any politician, but one scandal after another and I just can’t.
+ infinity!
Excellent post, lahdidahbaby! I would like to see this post reprinted on every site that talks about Hilary running for President. She is NOT the right person for the job and we don’t need Bill trying to relive his presidency and advising her.
I love you all.
I know I’m late to the party and you probably won’t even see this, but I just have to say that this is the best wrap up of my feelings on the situation. Well said!
Well said.
Wow! I avoided this post for the assumption of what the comments would be and am just thrilled and shocked that there are so many who feel as I do. A woman for president, hell yes! But another Clinton, um no thanks. Hillary’s ship sailed in 2004. Thought she just wanted to be a grandmother…. With one device and a personal server…the comparison to Nixon is spot on! And how ironic that Hillary was part of the investigative team on Watergate.
Thanks very much to all of you for your support. I honestly didn’t know what to expect, and was a little nervous to express my negative thoughts about HRC as POTUS. Your responses give one more example of why this site is where I feel most comfortable taking stands that might be unpopular or to discuss other issues that are hard to talk about “out there.” Many thanks. xxx
Political manoeuvring is a fact of modern day politics. Sure it’s easy to blame the pollies for being dishonest and to be all cynical about it, but it’s still vital to vote if you don’t want the extremists to take over the country. That doesn’t mean we don’t criticise or are completely in agreement with everything the party we vote for does. Clinton was being interviewed by someone from CNN (?) when she mentioned Australia’s compulsory voting system and outlined how that’s how you keep the extremists in the minority.
I like her. I’ll still criticise how she cozies up to big business for funds, has an elastic relationship with the truth sometimes, et cetera, but I’ll qualify all that by understanding how Citizens United completed f*cked up the US voting system and how adversarial the whole game is today.
Our first female prime minister in Australia wasn’t fantastic (she was very unfairly vilified by the media though) although she was far better than the males she succeded and preceded. It was disappointing as she was continually put down for being a childless atheist but I think all in all it has started us in the right direction.
Even if Hillary isn’t great, it’s still a huge step forward for women. We shouldn’t expect her to be perfect. She should be given the same treatment as any man in the role.
Sarah, you make a valid point and it’s well taken. For me, though, the truth is that I AM giving her the same treatment I would accord a male candidate – that is, I’m not inclined to vote for ANY candidate, male OR female, with Hillary’s Nixon-esque character, history, and baggage, not to mention her history of grudge-and-enemy making. And as a lifelong active Democrat, it’s hard for me to say that, which is why initially I was so hesitant to post my feelings here (or anywhere) re HRC. I should add, though, that if the GOP candidate turns out to be someone whose charachter has been justifiably called into question (Christie, for example), or someone who is just way too far Right, (fill in the blanks here, because several who fit that description are considering a run for the GOP nom), then in that case I WILL vote for Hillary Clinton, but with reluctance and a large measure of trepidation.
Wanting the Supreme Court and appointed federal courts to go all Republican is a consideration here for all of you that want to throw a hissy that the Democrat is not perfect.
We are already bleeding civil and labor and discrimination rights because assholes thought that there was no difference between the democrats and republicans in their selfish hissy fits in the past of not voting. And then the Bushes put shitty young republicans who will take years to die on the supreme court and other courts, who interpret the law as corporations are people and people have no rights when coming up against corporations in legal appeals.
You’re an asshole if you think you’ll throw a hissy because the democrat is not perfect.
Do you guys remember when Hilary was in Europe and fell and hit her head on an embassy step? And she sort of vanished from the scene for a few months? I don’t think she’s been the same since….very few solo events, interviews, etc. This woman isn’t young and can’t bounce back medically as easily!! And I’m disappointed in the Democratic Party to rely on her in this way without any other individual, while the Republicans are just churning out passionate candidates (crazy or not).
the republican candidates aren’t young either…
Not true. Rubio, Paul, Cruz, Walker all in their 40s. Jeb is the oldest of the bunch and he’s 60. He’s the only baby boomer in the field of legit to moderately legit candidates for the republicans.
Their bodies might not be old but their ideas are medieval
Think ya have to be 35 years old to run for prez, so 40s probably the yunges u gonna find.
I don’t remember that incident BUT I do remember when she (allegedly) hit her head due to a stomach virus and therefore couldn’t make it when she was supposed to testify a week later about Benghazi.
But the Democrats aren’t necessarily relying on her. She has to win the nomination. It is still really, really early with plenty of time for others to declare a candidacy.
I agree 100%. It is still very early.
This. She was restricted from flying for awhile. An aneurism bursting would be her demise. I’m an Elizabeth Warren fan for many, many reasons.
Warren is not running. She has stated as much 23 times over the past 4 months. I think we get it at this point.
Warren is badass. Too bad she’s not in the race.
Elizabeth Warren is going to be on Bill Maher’s show on HBO tonight! 🙂
Yes, they have a PASSIONATE field, but I will never, ever, ever vote for a PASSIONATE FOOL. I am no Hillary defender, but what is it specifically about the Republican field that you find sooooo passionate?
Anti-Immigrant
Pro-Gun
Anti-Gay Marriage
Anti-choice
You find PASSION about those things inspiring??
Voters respond to passion. In debates, interviews, etc. If the democrats want it, they wouldn’t be remiss taking notes from the table banging, younger Repubs. Many of whom are catering more and more to center. It gets people excited and interested to tune in.
If you view every election through what only you want, instead of how it might impact the nation, it’ll be a pretty disappointing ride haha
The Republicans had an equally huge field in 2012 if you remember. Remember those many debates with Romney, Perry, Paul, Bachman, Gingrich, Hunstaman, Santorum, etc. ???? They were all passionate about Obamacare, Religion, Guns, etc. And what happened there????
Obama isn’t exactly the most thrilling orator or the most passionate person. In fact, he is called “no drama Obama” in his circle. Yet what happened there because apparently PASSION did not seem to work for the other side despite a bevy of Tea Party support and PASSION galore about the repeal of Obamacare (“I will veto it on DAY ONE”)?
And to your last point, I agree that politics can provide some entertainment value, but to say it is disappointing because there’s a lack of drama is rather shortsighted. If you want a Real Housewives mindset infused into our politics, then I won’t fault you for thinking that way if that is what you need to get your excitement up. At the end of the day, we need someone who can continue to grow the economy, avoid war, ensure equality for all, and ensure that opportunities extend to everyone as well as creating an entrepreneural environment for such opportunities to arise.
Thanks for your comment, I was lost when the words passionate was used to describe Rubio and Cruz. Both Rubio and Cruz are delirious and stupid when ur comes to policies they stand for.
That isn’t it IMO she isn’t that great of a campaigner. Its patly why she lost to Obama. She becomes stiff, rigid, & defensive on the campaign trail. She fumbles a lot in front of the camera. She has never been camera or media savvy, very opposite of her husband. Much as I like Hilary wouldn’t be surprised if she does the same agin. She doesn’t do fake/fake caring very well & unfortunately voters love superficial charm.
“She becomes stiff, rigid, & defensive on the campaign trail.” I agree, but she also acts this way whenever confronted about something (i.g., the Bengazi scandal, when lashed out and began yelling “what does it matter now?!” at people when she was confronted). I don’t dislike Hillary, but I completely agree with other posters here who have stated they don’t believe she should be our first female president. Hillary is too fast and loose with the truth, holds grudges, and gets way too hot tempered when she is confronted about things.
Of all the Republicans who have (or will be) throwing their hat in the ring, the best campaigner will be Marco Rubio. If you’ve ever heard him speak, he is a GREAT communicator. Speaks on a “normal human level” – not wonky, not zealous…just regular. The WORST possible candidate the Republicans can put up is Jeb Bush. He was a good governor of Florida (where I live), but…. I. Just. Can’t. For the same reason I can’t with Hillary. Can we please put the Clinton/Bush dynasty behind us? It’s so tired and old. And while Hillary Clinton would be our first female President (and I desperately want one, just not her), Rubio would be our first Hispanic President. As a Republican, Jeb is a no for me. As is Chris Christie, if he’s actually stupid enough to throw his hat in the ring (I doubt he will). Ted Cruz is a little “much” for me. I don’t know enough about Scott Walker to make a judgment. But I do know Marco Rubio (having been a Florida senator) and he’s a decent guy – especially on immigration.
At this time before 2008, people thought she was a lock on the nomination as well. They didn’t even known the name Barack Obama. There could be other up and comers out there that will surprise us during the primary season.
I much prefer Hillary, even though she is a hawk and a Wall Street fan, over anyone from the clown car that the Republicans have become.
I’m not American, but I like her ambition. I like that she was willing ti sacrifice her personal life for her goals. She has guts. She would be a good president.
She is a liar, a cheat, a thief and has no major accomplishments as a Senator or as Secretary of State. She will be our next president, thanks to people like you who can vote and don’t care about her total corrupt nature. In the middle of her term, she will do yet another sleazy, illegal thing, or a sleazy illegal thing she did in the past will come to the forefront. So her presidency will be spent defending herself against some scandal or charge of the moment, and the serious issues we face as a nation will be on the back burner. Again. Go America.
but ALL the candidates are like that…
All politicans are liars, cheats, etc. You can’t keep your integrity AND go far in politics. The real world isn’t an Aaron Sorkin TV show.
But as I said, I’m not American and we have a parliamentary system so the voting is different.
There’s a long way between announcing a run and becoming president. I don’t think Hillary can or will be elected in the current climate. And sleazy or not, I’d rather see her in office than Rubio, Cruz, McCain or Christie. And I do follow politics and I DO care.
+1000, she is horrible. I would love to see a woman be the POTUS…but not her.
GNAT: as you know, i’m not American, BUT I lived through the Clinton years, and of course we had the great Chris Hitchens supplying commentry, and I can not believe that people forget or dismiss everything that happened or what Clinton is per your post.
It’s all very well to break the ‘female’ president mold, but does it have to be *this* tainted woman? Why not Fresh Blood, like Obama rather than Jesse Jackson to break the ‘Black’ president mold?
I know LAK, I know…sob…
And BendyWindy, I’m a democrat, I just want us to find an honest person to run.
Ouch, GNAT!
Being a bit of a political geek, I enjoy reading the thoughts of Americans on potential presidential candidates. I can see some parallels with Tony Blair and the way many Brits feel about him these days from the people who see HC as tainted.
From my own personal, peacenik, anti-war, anti-corp perspective, HC doesn’t appeal as a president. But then, of course, as a Brit, what she would do domestically is irrelevant to me. It’s only US foreign policy and international trade policy that affects me. And Hil is for most things that I’m against in those areas – she’s hawkish and for things like TTIP. But then, I think all the candidates are, except for any isolationist Republicans, aren’t they? And I’m for peaceful co-operation, not isolationism.
Would she be good domestically for the American in the street on things like health, poverty and equality?
Thank you. No, just no. If we want a woman president let’s not jump on the first women that comes along and throws their hat into the ring just to say we have. Why should we just settle for a job this important? Please, let’s wait until someone who’s actually qualified not someone who’s just been around politics their whole lives.
@GoodNames-you are so spot on. I cringe.
She’s part of the establishment: political business as usual, corporatist, hawk, what’s in it for me candidate, masquerading as a Democrat for the ‘little people’. I might tell her this, but then my message would be erased on her personal ‘official’ servers.
Please feel free to leave our country whenever you’d like. No president will be perfect. Every president will lie. Get over it.
Yeah, nothing says democracy like “If you don’t like corruption, leave“.
Gnat,
I heart you to pieces but do you think you may have unfairly dumped on Franca? The ‘people like you’ comment seemed out of character for you. Nobody yell at me I’m just saying…
Clinton was a sleazy man and sketchy as all hell but during his administrations I had a healthy 401K and actual savings for the first time in my adult life (Gen X-er here). My frends and I discussed what careers we wanted to pursue, not whether or not there would *be* any jobs. When I was hospitalized for three weeks my husband had FMLA to support his choice to care for me.
No politician is perfect and most are atrocious people, but I’m not marrying them – I need someone with enough good sense to protect his/her future by looking out for mine.
Btw, I’m not endorsing Hilary. I think she would make an okay potus because on paper her policies are not only holistic but workable. But I just don’t like her personality. Terrible I know. I hope a stronger candidate emerges to challenge Juggernaut Jeb but if not I guess Hilary would be better than watching Warren go down in flames.
@MelM, the constitutional qualifications for the presidency are a natural born citizen, age 35 and over. That’s it
Kiddo, that’s my favourite thing of all favourite things in American political debates! Someone will ALWAYS say it. And it ALWAYS makes me choke on my cornflakes (well, it would if I ate cornflakes but I don’t buy corporate cereal. I have liberal handwringer porridge. Snigger). (PS: Sorry, Aurora!)
Sixer, this is why I flail arms in unison with Mini-Sixer. Yes, there are ugly realities to the political system, but without some idealism and hope, we are down the drain.
*Flails arms, tumbles*
Kiddo, we’re in the throes of a general election campaign here. And what is noticeable about it is that the two big parties have shed support like nobody’s business. Whether it’s from the left or the right, smaller parties are growing and you can see that people are thirsting for something other than the usual grubby compromises. Of course, this opens the door to idealism and hope AND some rather unpleasant views, but you can really see that the public has had enough of the status quo/old order.
Imo, and Franca, yes, I apologize for “people like you.” I get very emotional about Hillary and I can’t understand how people can overlook her sleaziness and focus on her positive attributes. I just don’t get it. But, Franca, I shouldn’t have used those words or directed my frustration at you. You have a right to your opinion, and I am truly sorry to have been so rude. Thank you Imo, for pointing that out so I would have an opportunity to apologize.
@Aurora, so let me get this straight. I’m trying to suggest that we don’t elect a woman to office of President who has a history of dishonesty and law-breaking, so I should get out of the country? Because ALL politicians are dishonest lawbreakers, so I should just get over it? And leave? Ok! Your genius, logic, civil responsibility and good breeding just shine through like a beacon. Oh, if only YOU would run for President! Just think of the slogans! “We all lie, so why not vote for someone who does it well! ” “I’m the sleaziest sleaze all around! Get over it!” Wow. What a great addition to the argument you have made. Thank you for enlightening us. I have changed my mind and will now vote for Hillary thanks to your intelligent, persuasive message. They all stink! Get over it or leave! Lol, thanks for the laugh. I guess I know now how people stomach her.
@GoodNamesAllTaken, I think you should bring back, “TALK TO THE HAND”.
she cant handle two email accounts but wants to run the free world?
Gnat
It is not so much that I support Hilary but I don’t understand what’s so wrong about hoping for truth and honor in politics while simultaneously realizing it doesn’t exist. I don’t think Hilary should be nominated just because she is a woman but if she is the last one standing against yet another candidate who will ruin my future to enrich the corporations then I will swallow my distaste and vote for Hilary. But what I said was that I hope a stronger candidate comes along.
But I think you’re a class act (not counting some past mean comments about the south lol) so I hope you’ll pardon me if I’ve been argumentative. Thank you for the discourse 🙂
PS thank you for the info about Hilary stealing the furniture. Sharing tidbits like that is better than assuming people truly know about Hilary’s character and are willingly overlooking it, you know?
I love militant GNAT! She’s gone all fearsome today.
Imo, I’m from the south, so I’m always defending it. Did I make a mean comment? I hope not. I’m sorry if I hurt your feeling in any way. I really like you, too. And I see your point about choosing Hillary over certain other people. I just wish we could have another choice as Democrats – there doesn’t seem to be anyone lined up to challenge her for the nomination, and I think we can do better. You can always argue with me in your kind and intelligent way, don’t ever worry. I say stupid things and clumsy things that need clarifying or retracting fairly often, lol. And hear you on assuming people know all the facts and just overlook them, too.
And what are the alternatives that you suggest that run counter to all the things that Clinton supposedly has???
Well *gulp* you returned to cb after an extended absence once and when everyone asked where you’d been you said down south i.e. hell. I thought you meant because of the humidity but then had to just accept that you meant it because you didn’t clarify when other commenters lol’d.
So now I feel like a tool for bringing it up. I guess I’m not the most tactful but I honestly look up to so many people here on cb. Not to go on about it but you are one of the best examples of why I come here every (freakin) day!
And upon reflection, to hell with settling all the time – high standards exist so people can live up to them, right? I just wish the politicians realized it 🙁
I agree with Sixer – go get ’em Gnat!
Oh, imo, I’m so sorry. I don’t remember that. How stupid of me. I’m sure I was just talking about the heat or humidity, because I love going home and love being with my family. Don’t feel like a tool. I’m glad to clear it up and have no idea why I said such a thing. Foot in mouth disease? I know the south has flaws, but it will always be my home in my heart, and I love it. So sorry to leave that ugly remark hanging there.
Gnat
No one in NYC delivers pit bbq, so…
*pours two glasses of iced tea*
Cheers!
uh…aren’t all politicians liars, manipulators & ‘thieves’? Its a requirement in modern politics. lol name one that isn’t please, in our history & present? You can’t overlook her sleaziness but in reality all politicians are sleazy. Why is she more sleazy than the rest? Oh & glad you’re sharing your opinion because like her or not, you at least are being vocal about it.
Christo and Isabelle
I could just dodge your questions, lol, but I’ll just admit I don’t have any politician that I can say has never lied. I just believe that Hillary not only lies, she commits crimes or just tip toes on the border of crimes with premeditation and cunning, then tries to act like a man wouldn’t be questioned if he did the same thing. She set up her private email account when Secretary of State so she could communicate with big donors to her campaign from foreign countries. Then she deletes thousands of emails because they were just “personal” stuff. If they were so innocent, why not let a third party review them and determine whether or not they were relevant to her service as SOS? We all know why not. I just don’t think she should be rewarded for this type of behavior with the nomination, and I think everybody just assumed she was going to be the candidate, because she thinks she’s “owed” it for some reason, and now there’s nobody to step in. So I desperately wish I had the answer, but I don’t.
Wow GNAT, you are definitely not a fan of Hillary, are you. I’ll be honest, as a Canadian I feel like I don’t really know anything about her, beyond whatever scandals of hers the Republicans fixate on every few months or so. I think I’m going to have to start doing a little studying up on her. I heard the rumour last year that she was on the Monsanto board – not sure if that is true or not, but it did not put her in very favourable light in my view, as I think Monsanto is absolutely EVIL.
But please my American friends, please please please, do NOT vote in another Bush!!! The world can’t handle another Bush president.
I am not a Hillary fan, but if she is the Democratic candidate I will vote for her. That being said…you really think she has no accomplishments?
@Tiffany
Name something she did as Senator or Secretary of State. A Bill she passed? A country she successfully negotiated with? A cause she championed?
Of course she has accomplishments, who doesn’t? But she was very unimpressive serving in both of these capacities. What is her platform? She just regurgitates middle of the road old school remarks. And don’t forget how, when she was losing to Obama and backed into a corner, she shouted “but…but…I’m white! I can deliver the white people! He can’t!”
Meanwhile, you vote for whomever you choose. That’s your absolute right, of course. I don’t know what I’ll do if she’s the candidate against another Bush or worse. I really don’t. I think voting for a third party candidate is sort of a waste of time. I couldn’t vote for her, I doubt there’s a Republican I could vote for. Maybe I won’t vote but that makes me feel terrible. We will see.
I think there are very clear consequences of going GOP or third party. Many people didn’t vote for Gore because they weren’t excited about him. They thought Bush was harmless. Two wars later, we see that Bush and the machine behind him were far from harmless.
If you don’t vote for the Democrat, you are by default voting for the Republican. Unfortunately, that is our current system. That default GOP vote comes along with the pro-war military complex, intrusive abortion policies, the very set in stone thoughts on taxes, and a very staunch stance against investing in infrastructure and education. Even if I Hillary is more hawkish than others like Obama on war and corporations, she is still a moderate in these areas compared with who ever the GOP will nominate.
As for her accomplishments, I think things are just too complex to be simplified and marked on a scoreboard. Senators can introduce legislation, but ultimately, their greatest accomplishments in that position are what they vote for and pass. I approve of the majority of her voting record in the Senate. For Secretary of State, this position rarely yields “accomplishments” unless there are monumental breakthroughs. Like the current deal in Iran will be credited to John Kerry, when really, it is the result of the entire administration and the years of sanctions and handlings with Iran.
She is incredibly well versed on the issues. She has in depth knowledge about the balances of world powers, which is no small thing. I am hoping that she is not the Democratic candidate, despite her skills because she is more pro-war and pro-corporation than I am. However, if she was the nominee, I think she has a level of insight and experience that is unparalleled.
Yeah, nothing says democracy like “If you don’t like corruption, leave”
Love it. Put that caption next to a picture of the flag and you’d have a great bumper sticker.
@GNAT thanks for responding too my post. Appreciate that you actually responded. If it was up to my little vote during the primaries, Elizabeth Warren would have the nomination but we know its probably going to Hilary. Jeb Bush also used his own personal e-mail account when he was governor & Colin Powell when he was secretary. Regardless, it’s not safe & pretty tech dumb. You have too wonder why the people behind them aren’t at least concerned & hound on them to do the switch over. The e-mail of the Clintons don’t worry me as much as some of their shader dealings when they were in Arkansas……but unfortunately our election process has boiled down to less of two evils.
@lilacflowers – Oh thanks for informing me of that, now I will for sure be voting for her lol. I think you know what I mean though when I say that. Just because you meet the basic requirements for something does not mean you should be doing it. There are millions of people in this country who constitutionally qualify for being president but that doesn’t mean they should be president.
I may not always agree with her but somebody has got to be the first one to break new ground and open up the debate for a female president. Obama, hate him or not, finally broke us of the old white guy mold and opened it up to minorities,
I would LOVE to have a woman president. Just not her. Last time she was in the White House, she stole half a million dollars worth of furniture belonging to the American people. They were forced to give it back, but only gave about half of what they were supposed to. Why, America, why can’t you see??? Ok, I’ll (try to) shut up now.
OMG really? They are so bloody rich and they stole furniture? That’s pretty pathetic … (not to mention dishonest)
i agree, everything people here say about Hillary will also be said about a man so why not vote for the woman? it is about time.
@Kara that is a terrible reasoning. Do you realy want first POTUS to be woman just cause?
I use this analogy: If I needed surgery and a woman surgeon walked into my hospital room and stated “Aren’t you glad there is a woman to perform your surgery?”
Seconds later a male surgeon walks in and states that, along with his medical degree, he has five years of specialized training in that field, a three year practicum and an additional seven years of service at one of the world’s best teaching hospitals. He has performed this surgery thousands of times without a hitch. Which surgeon would you select to save your life? The man with the experience or the woman who feels that her uterus qualifies her and you should be happy with that?
I wouldn’t vote for a minority -black, woman, latino – just to see a minority as POTUS. I need someone who will do the job successfully.
Oh GAWD! She’s a liar and a crook like her husband. House of Cards has nothing on the Clintons.
+1000. Let’s be done with the Clinton and Bush dynasties.
Do you people actually believe that there are politicians out there who are decent people? On a national level? Surely you can’t be that naive?
Elizabeth Warren
But whose fault is if they’re aren’t? Why do we lower our standards to the degree that a decent person can’t win? WE vote these people in. And even if they all lie about something sometimes, why pick the one who lies the most, destroys documents, makes up stories about being under fire when she was actually being greeted by school children, “loses” documents in a law suit and “finds” them the day after the statute of limitations runs out on her crime, and so on and so on. If we vote for her, we are saying all of that is ok, so we get what we deserve. I may be naive, but I think we can do better.
I know I said I would shut up. I’m trying. Unsuccessfully…
I completely agree with you, GNAT. We the voters continue excusing politicians scandals etc. Until We the Voters hold our elected officials to a higher standard nothing will change.
By the point the voters get to vote them in they have already been trough circles and circles of lying and cheating and clawing their way to the top. You vote for the lesser of two evils.
I usually vote for the policies and ignore the person. I guess it’s nice that there are still idealists among us ( God, I sound so cynical and I’m only 22, lol), but unless some huge revolution happens, I don’t see a change in the future.
But you Americans have it harder. When our politicians screw up, they screew up only us. When you guys screw up, they screw up on a much bigger scale.
I’m still hoping for Elizabeth Warren, hoping, just hoping.
The problem is that we are trying to find uncorrupt candidates in a corrupt system.
US politics is ALL about FUNDING right now. If you can’t raise money, you cannot be a candidate. Each representative in the House has to run every two years! This means that their campaign never ends. It becomes about winning the election and not actually doing the job of governing.
I don’t believe it is possible for a noble candidate to come up through the ranks and gain experience with out having worked with corrupt people, without receiving donations from corrupt people, without having to make hard choices about doing what is right and doing what is best for the greater good.
We need a complete overhaul of the election process, IMO.
I would love Elizabeth Warren to be the first female POTUS but that will never happen. She fights big corporations and Wall Street, so they will see to it she never gets any money.
In fact, she’d better stay off small airplanes.
I posted above, but just wanted to note again (because this is last minute) that Elizabeth Warren is going to be on Bill Maher’s show tonight on HBO.
I think it’s apt she is announcing on GoT Day. Very Cersei Lannister of her. Cheers, m’lady.
if she can wheel and deal like that – we may have a chance….
I don’t think she’ll end up as the Democratic candidate. I think someone else will come up in the primaries- a man, of course, since this is the U.S. I admire her for trying, but her chance was in 2008 and Obama surpassed her. She has even less chance this time around.
Agreed, and if she does manage to win the primary she won’t win the election against a (male) Republican, because, of course. It’s disheartening.
I disagree on that count; you wouldn’t know it by watching the news but in most peoples’ minds the Republicans are done (thank God). We need new parties…the Democrats are quickly sinking to the level of what the Repubs were back when they were still holding onto a shred of sanity. We deserve better than that.
She almost win the primary the last time. So please tell me who will beat her this time.
Warren? I’d campaign for Warren myself, she’s awesome.
If her health holds, I think she will win the nomination and the presidency.
I agree. Her best chance was 2008. I liked her better than Obama and voted for her in the primary. I really don’t think she’s any worse than any other politician. I also think Obama is just as corporatist as she is, he just hides it better.
Any hoo. I don’t think she’ll get the nomination. Are there any other women who can run? So tired of all the menfolk.
That’s true, and a huge disappointment as far as Obama. Both parties swung heavily right, and it’s time for the tide to turn, if we are to have any democracy left at all, rather than all policies being driven by big money, which is happening now with wild abandon.
I cant see her not getting the nomination. The Democrats need the strongest candidate to keep the White House and she is that for a variety of reasons. She might not be the best candidate but she is the one most likely to be elected President.
No. She’s too polarizing for many, as we learned in 2008.
Less chance this time around??? Who is the alternative?? Warren is NOT running; her 23 documented statements to this effect should cover that. You now have Jim Webb and O’Malley. Ohhhkay….. who else were you thinking about?
Joe Biden?
I think someone like Julian Castro could be interesting!
Joe Biden? He’s not very bright. He would also spend most of his time feeling up every female in sight.
Julian Castro would bring a single agenda and open borders. I’d vote for a Martian before I vote for him.
Right, because he is Hispanic he’d only be focused on one issue?
smh
His mother holds a high position in La Raza and Obama appointed him to keep her quiet and hold on to the latino vote.
If true, it’s an interesting play to announce on a weekend… often where unwelcome media stories are sent to die. I wonder if she’s got the same line-up of campaign & pub strategists this time? (Admittedly, I haven’t paid too much attention to HC this go-round because I was hoping against hope that EW might be talked into entering & shake things up a bit.)
The Sunday morning news shows actually generate buzz with heavy reporting on Mondays. If you want to bury a story, you do it late on Friday. Everyone is commuting home, looking forward to a weekend, and News staff are on a skeletal crew structure.
Da truth.
I don’t buy the theory that it’s a savvy idea yet, but this may be pointed to as a demonstrative way social media has changed the game; personally, I believe early-to-mid-week is still primo for both continued international air, net and print time.
If she chooses to go Twitter – before a formal press conference, before the Sunday morning talkies, and on a Sunday in Murica – well, that’s almost a lot more interesting to me than is her candidacy.
She is doing it this weekend because the FEC requires that one has 15 days from the time you establish your headquarters to make the announcement that you are running for President. This weekend would cover that very last day that she could possibly announce. It also happens to tee her up directly for all the Sunday talk show fodder.
Count me in with those MUCH more excited about Game of Thrones! Can’t wait.
As for those vying for the presidency, in the spirit if this post, I’m labeling it *Game of Knowns* – because it’s likely going to be Clinton v Bush all over again.
Amen to all of that!
As a Gen Xer think I will die in my old age only voting between a few dynasties. Think its why we got so excited about Obama at one time, because we could vote for a non bush or Clinton.
If she doesn’t land the nomination (and I tend to agree her best chance was in 2008), then will Chelsea* be groomed as a candidate? Or will the family sense their day in the sun is over? I guess time will tell.
* I don’t know if Chelsea even has the gumption to be a political candidate. She strikes me as just wanting to ride the coattails of her family (though she won’t admit it).
I’m a liberal democrat who would love to see a woman democrat in office, but I have a bad feeling about this. And with Jeb Bush running, I’m getting tired of the Bush/Clinton name.
Yes, please, an end to the Bush/Clinton dynasties.
Agreed! No more Bushes or Clintons.
agreed! It’s nice to pick new things out of the pot (female, for instance), but why do we have to grab from the bottom of the same pot that have been in power for 20 years now?
I totally agree. The familiar faces are getting old, and such dynastic similarities totally runs averse to the opportunities for all that the U.S. is allegedly supposed to foster. That being said, I would vote for her over Jeb any day of the week.
Hilary is horrible on the campaign trail stiff as wood & thin as paper. Worries me she is going too hand us another Bush.
I truly hope another viable democratic candidate can jump on the scene. I don’t care if it’s a man or a woman, old or young or if blue is their skin color. Just not Hilary! Elizabeth Warren perhaps? And crazy to think Jeb Bush would potentially screw us the least if he wins this election.. I am just tired of these 2 families hogging the White House.
Elizabeth Warren is running for re-election. The Bushs killed our economy twice and sent us into war with Iraq twice. JEB is posturing about war with Iran. The Bush family is all about screwing us
Jeb is more lenient than his party’s counterparts when it comes to social issues. Regardless, you’re right. Out with the Bushes and Clintons!
Two words for you – Terry Schiavo.
Jeb supported the Governor of Indiana’s RFRA bill. ENOUGH SAID. Goodbye Jeb.
Floridian here. Jeb Bush will NOT screw us the least. He should be the one the dems are worried about. Don’t underestimate Jeb, he’s definitely the smarter of the Bush brothers.
I don’t care which of them is smarter. That entire family is evil.
Lilac, you hit the nail on the head. Evil.
Jeb delivered Florida to George in 2000, when George would have lost (and, no, it wasn’t even about the hanging chads, it was the purged voter rolls, the intimidation of black voters, the dumping of ballots on the side of the road in Democrat-leaning counties, etc.). He and Katherine Harris are criminals and no one should let Jeb forget his civil rights abuses if he throws his ten-gallon hat in the ring.
He screwed us in 2000 by what he did in Florida, giving the election to his brother. Evil doesn’t even begin to describe the family.
@Pinky
THANK YOU!! And said well.
If that Florida 2000 stuff had happened in any other country the US would have sent in troops. Jeb will be stealing the seat. Get ready for President Bush III.
Jeb may be the smarter of the Bush brothers but, seriously, could he be dumber? There’s nowhere to go but up.
Arrogance and stupidity are not a good combination. And it seems to abound in certain families.
I’d like to see a woman president also, but I’d vote for my schnoodle before I voted for her.
The end is nigh…
it is simply time for a woman as the president of the United States.
But not a woman who takes millions from countries that oppress and kill women.
and men dont do that? everything mentioned here against Hillary also applies to men. people just dont seem to like the idea of a woman doing those things.
Kara, I don’t disagree. I’m looking at a candidate who is openly stating he will cut foreign aid. He wants to stop sending money to regimes that hate us and chant death to America. Together with Corey Booker, he is working on much needed criminal justice reform. I’m a libertarian, I will vote on issues, not because someone has a vagina or penis.
We are better than that.
And didn’t Obama say he was going to pull us out of that area? We see how that turned out…..
People want to paint Obama as a saint and Hilary as evil incarnate when really, they’re pretty much cut from the same cloth.
Don’t even get me started on the Republicans.
This might be the first year I don’t vote for a major party. They all disgust me.
I thought I was the only one who can see through Obama.
Condoleezza Rice for President!!
Because we should forever ignore security memos telling us that a terrorist group plans to hijack airplanes and crash them into national landmarks?
i think her involvement with Chevron could proof difficult to spin.
Ah crap, forgot about the Chevron & security memo ignoring fiasco…going back to my original original choice….Frank Underwood for President.
Seriously though, I honestly do not see a breakout choice Dems or Reps, each candidate seems to be weaker than the other…sadly, I think we are going to have to go with the lesser of the two evils, whoever that might be, come election time.
IMHO, Ms. Rice is a war criminal. If she, GB and Dick Cheney lived in any country other than the United States Seal Team Six would be climbing through their windows.
So fricking true.
As GNAT has already lamented, our first female president (or major party nominee, anyway) will be one steeped in scandal who did not distinguish herself as a senator or SoT. To add to that, I have a few issues with her myself. She sat on the board of Wal-Mart with few noticeable improvements for female employees. She handled criticism of being too strong a woman in 1992 by giving out cookie recipes on the campaign trail. She legally dropped her maiden name in 2007 to be a professional Clinton but made derisive comments about her husband during the campaign. My generation’s time has come, as Obama has proven, but Hillary is my mother’s brand of feminism. How can I feel confident that she’ll motivate young voters? So yeah her image matters as much as her politics if people under 40 lose interest in this election
I’m thrilled Hillary is running, and I will be even more thrilled if she wins. About time.
I have just one plea….I know this will sound so superficial and petty, but I’m dead serious: Hillary, please spring for a hair and makeup person to get you prepped every single morning, and to travel with you. You’re a perfectly attractive woman, but you’ve admitted that you cannot do your own hair, and girl, too many days you look like an unmade bed. No one is saying we need fashion models representing us, and certainly not me. But you need to look pulled together to be our first female President. Bedraggled is not a leadership trait. Bite the bullet and do it right now. The pictures in this very post prove my point.
Some people on this site don’t seems to believe in the Democratic process. A commenter on this thread mentioned that she will love to vote for hillary clinton and another commenter was so upset that someone will vote for her. You can hate mrs.clinton and vote against her is your choice , but don’t be upset that someone else is voting for her.
Thank you. Every vote counts. We need to be respectful of each other.
Ha! From the woman who told me to LEAVE THE COUNTRY if I don’t want a liar for President! Aurora, you are some piece of work. You have some serious space for rent upstairs. “Respectful of each other. ” hahahahaha!
@GNAT, you are on fire today and I am absolutely loving your comments!
Yeah GNAT, your comments on the Alamooney thread are SO on point, and exactly why I avoid anything Amal-related (although out of boredom I did peak today, but I refuse to comment).
It’s either “WOW THIS AMAZINGLY GORGEOUS WOMAN WHO IS SMARTZ AND STUFF AND WAY TOO GOOD FOR GEORGE CLOONEY!” or “WOW THIS WOMAN IS AN ATTENTION-SEEKING LADDER-CLIMBER OBSESSED WITH FAME WHO FINALLY LANDED A RICH FAMOUS MAN!”
Like, I wonder if she reads all these obnoxious and insulting, creative narratives about herself and regrets getting married.
Ugh.
Team Amal.
Lol Kitten–I have no clue as to why Amal wanted to marry George Clooney. Except for maybe the tequila…..
GNAT’s not letting silly comments go unchallenged. Think carefully before you type ladies. She’s on fire today!
GNAT for President!
You guys are cracking me up. And Kitten, yup the Amal comments are very extreme!
Jane, I think you may have hit on something here. I have been active in politics all of my life since my parents started dragging me to political functions both local, state, and national when I was quite young. I was only 5 years old when the 1960 Presidential race between Kennedy and Nixon occurred and I still remember it well. Since then, the Presidential elections have seemed to boil down to voting for the perceived lesser of two evils and not really being a choice between two viable candidates to lead our country. It seems the folks who would make great Presidents have more sense than to want the job. True leadership is hard to find.
So far, I am incredibly uninterested in this election.
None of these candidates appeal to me.
I know our Elizabeth Warren’s name gets brought up a lot and I know she’s a bit too green to run, but she’s somebody I would get REALLY excited about.
I want a true liberal (come at me, celebitches), NOT a party-line Democrat. I want a rabble-rouser, a rebel, and someone who refuses to be bullied by the Right.
Amen. If you find one, let me know. I’d be all over that. Seems like a needle in a haystack at this point, though.
@Kitten I agree. I’m not voting for Hillary and the republicans have no viable candidate. There also seems to be no third part candidate on the horizon either. I would hate to have to sit this one out.
@FingerBinger I guess situation is the same everywhere when it comes to quality candidates. I live in Europe and my country is in it’s worst shape; and I can’t see a silver lining in any politician or side. Liberals, democrats, republicans…they’ve all become the same. Even though it pains me, and I always try to vote I’m gonna ignore these upcoming elections as well. There just isn’t a choice.
@Kitten: I don’t follow as much as I’d like the political scene in USA, unless it’s something universal but I did hear about Warren and I honestly thought she would take a risk. Do you think she might just be letting Hillary go first but then try playing in the next round? I think she’s ambitious enough to try.
Hi ds-
Warren has said consistently that she will not run in 2016, and she hasn’t thrown her support behind any candidate, because she said none of the candidates thus far have shown that they’re really working for middle-class families.
Why is it always that interesting ones aren’t into the game? Too bad. Thanks for the info.
That would be nice, but that person won’t win and I’m not willing to cede the White House to people who want to legislate on my vagina and ovaries (not to mention the civil rights issues, environmental issues, and foreign policy hawkishness they support) AND will put people on the Supreme Court who will support that.
Why in the world would you think she wouldn’t win?
Something about you referring to her as “that person” makes me think that you don’t know much about Warren and the following she has.
Elizabeth Warren is just so gob-smack obvious.
I’d suggest looking at former Governor Martin O’Malley of Maryland. He is a progressive who raised taxes on the wealthy, raised minimum wage, kept tuition costs low in Maryland, signed same-sex marriage into law, repealed death penalty, passed sensible gun control legislation, passed DREAM act for Maryland, etc. He also stood up to the Obama admin and Hillary when he fought to keep child refugees from Central America returned to their home countries. He worked with faith leaders and social service groups to place more of these kids in foster care in Maryland than anywhere else in the country outside of California. The passion and fight he showed on that issue made me pay attention to him. He’s been speaking up on more financial regulations for banks, increasing social security, etc. He has the same positions as Warren does on economic issues and is more to her left on social issues. Plus, he has 16 years of executive experience as Governor and Mayor of Baltimore.
Thanks for the warning. If he runs I won’t vote for him.
Quite the accomplishments!
Agree Kitten but unfortunately she doesn’t have that charm which shallow voters like in American politics. She would be a better choice but don’t think she could win, even against Jeb. Unfortunately Americans go more for show & blow than they do substance. I would love a Berney Sanders or Mrs. Warren but we’re going to end up with a Clinton & a Bush.
Nevermind charm, Warren has more effective political weapon–she has a MASSIVE base of followers that crosses three party lines. She has Repubs, Dems, AND green partiers that support her. This is not a small thing when you consider that people who vote third party usually take away a Dem vote.
I’m surprised at how many people don’t think Warren could be a strong contender in 2020.
Seriously hope you’re right kitten. Warren is a true big game changer.
Elizabeth Warren can actually be quite approachable, personable,, and funny. And she has a fabulous dog.
I love Elizabeth Warren, but she is unelectable in any place outside the northeast and perhaps CA, OR, and WA state. In addition, she has all of the baggage that goes with her claiming native american ancestry in her college admissions. She is a strong voice for consumers for sure, but I don’t see her being a national candidate—-despite all her many worthy traits and positions on issues that I care about.
Of course, Jeb Bush claimed he was hispanic on his voter registration card in 2009. Go Figure.
Did you not see the standing ovation she got when headlining the Netroots Nation in Detroit?
True that was her (liberal) audience but people are entirely incorrect if they think that she doesn’t have a following outside of each coast.
Hell, even Karl Rove said that Warren could give Hillary a “scare”.
It’s mistake to underestimate her, guys, it really is.
Didn’t care about the email BS — much ado about nothing. Yes, I am excited. She’s the only with brains in the pool so far. Jeb and Rand? Uh, no thanks. Scary.
It proved to me that she is cunning and a liar and believes the rules do not apply to her.
Is that the Four Horsemen I hear coming…???
This blog has become way too political.
Seriously? There’s like one or two political posts every month or two. If you don’t like them, do what I do with the Duggar posts–don’t click.
+1
I learn more from the posters on this site than all the news outlets combined.
I just cannot get excited about HRC. I really feel like this is a case of the Democratic Party heading in the wrong direction. I would like to see a more progressive candidate. She has been mum on police brutality and she is a little too hawkish for my tastes. Also, I really thought she was a subpar Secretary of State. If you can’t effectively lead one agency, why would you be an effective President? I’m not sure Bill can control himself either. It has been nice not having to hear those kind of shenanigans coming out of the White House.
Personally I think people are wasting their time talking about HRC. I don’t believe there’s even a remote possibility of her being able to win. And that’s coming from someone who voted for her in their home state primary when she ran year’s back. She’s too old, too tired, and I don’t see anyone, anywhere getting all that enthusiastic about her. I think she would have made a better President than Obama, but that was then, this is now.
The only person I find myself with any sense of enthusiasm over is Warren. She’s brains, new ideas, and guts! Maybe once Hillary starts to fail, and she will, Warren will step up to the plate. Until then, it just looks like more of the U.S. continuing its slide into mediocrity and irrelevance.
And you probably said the same thing about Obama around this time in April 2007. Barrak who?
Actually, couldn’t be further from the truth. My cousin had Obama as a professor, and so I probably had better than average insight into who he was, based on the recollections of someone that had met him on numerous occasions.
I just don’t see young people garnering any enthusiasm or excitement over Clinton at this stage of the game. I don’t think it will happen for her. Not to mention all the baggage Republicans will drag into the mix.
I love this. Please look at these senators who are actively working to help all Americans. Two democrats, one republican. Hillary is not actively affecting change to help all Americans, these folks are. I respect them tremendously for this bold move.
Sens. Rand Paul (R-KY), Cory Booker (D-NJ), and Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) on Tuesday introduced a bill that would legalize medical marijuana at the federal level.
That’s great news but Rand’s support of a marijuana bill doesn’t erase the fact that he’s sexist and racist.
..and everyone here knows I love my f*cking weed.
Kitten – Getting weed decriminalized at the federal level is just step 1. We need states to legalize this plant, once and for all! Regarding Rand as a racist, I disagree. Here is a good article outlining his stance on race.
“Given the racial disparities in our criminal justice system, it is impossible for African-Americans not to feel like their government is particularly targeting them.” Do you like Corey Booker of New Jersey? He is a black democrat and is working very closely with Rand on criminal justice reform.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/04/10/who-s-better-on-race-than-rand-paul.html
“INTERVIEWER: Would you have voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964?
PAUL: I like the Civil Rights Act in the sense that it ended discrimination in all public domains, and I’m all in favor of that.
INTERVIEWER: But?
PAUL: You had to ask me the “but.” I don’t like the idea of telling private business owners — I abhor racism. I think it’s a bad business decision to ever exclude anybody from your restaurant — but, at the same time, I do believe in private ownership. But I think there should be absolutely no discrimination in anything that gets any public funding, and that’s most of what the Civil Rights Act was about to my mind.”
Rand Paul opposes Title II of the Civil Rights Act, the section that made it a crime for private businesses to discriminate against customers on the basis of race. That, and the fact that he’s anti-choice means he will never get my vote.
The Newark Watershed Scandal tainted Booker a bit for me, but I liked him a lot before I read that sh*t. I don’t know anything about Gillinbrand–will research.
Anyway, I completely agree that the potential legalization of weed on a federal level is super-exciting. It’s about time, right?
*passes spliff to Vee*
And when none of those Senators rise to the top of any major party ticket and you are left with JEB V. HILLARY, who will you vote for then?
Who decides right now who they’re going to vote for though? Personally, I don’t usually make my final decision until a few weeks before election day.
Maybe Vee and I will both vote for a third party candidate 🙂
“Who decides right now who they’re going to vote for though? Personally, I don’t usually make my final decision until a few weeks before election day.”
I always vote for the Greens here in Australia because I know what they and the two conservative parties stand for. A new candidate and a few policy tweaks here and there is just window dressing. The core values are always the same.
The Governor of Colorado has stated that legalizing marijuana was a mistake. I don’t care about a gateway drug, I don’t want to see a bunch of potheads roaming the streets. Colorado’s shelters are jammed packed with young adults who came to the state just to smoke pot. They don’t have jobs and aren’t looking for one, they just want to smoke but are taking up space from people who legitimately need the shelter.
Kids come to school smelling like weed because their parents are smoking and not taking care of them. One guy said he quit his job in Florida, sold his house and drove to Colorado so he could smoke. That is not a casual drug user. We don’t need this on top of all our other problems.
Source?
Go Hilary!
I stood in the rain in 2008 to vote for her in the primaries..this time? Not so sure.. we need a six month rule..in six months, you debate, hold primary..another couple months for the two to debate, run ads, then we vote. The process is so long now it’s tiresome.
Six months would make it so only well-connected candidates with high name recognition can run. Obama needed that extra time to let voters get to know him and to raise money to compete with the Clinton machine. Without that longer time period, Hillary would have cruised to a win in 2008 and we wouldn’t have healthcare reform and we’d likely have boots on the ground in Libya.
Big yawn. Yeah, it would awesome to have a female President – and long overdue – but I won’t vote for one simply to have one. She needs to be qualified. I’s say Hillary is probably qualified, but my goodness…she’s just so dishonest and has so much baggage. And not to be an ageist, but I think she’s too old (I am old too); and not just age-wise, but she’s been around too long. People are rather fatigued by her. I think she and Jeb have the same problem: Clinton and Bush fatigue. People want someone new. I think that’s why she lost her primary to Obama in 2007. The only way she wins the nomination now is if she runs unopposed (even if someone else jumps in, the Clintons have a long history of destroying people). It’s hard to believe that in the entire Democratic Party, that old, worn-out Hillary is the best they can come up with.
I think the fact that she recently erased her entire hard drive on her server shows she has some HORRIBLE things to hide. People don’t erase and destroy hard drives for no reason.
Despicable sense of entitlement that laws do not apply to her.
That and lying under oath…
No integrity.
Skin color nor gender does not make a good president..it’s character, period. It’s all gotten so corrupt that those days may be long gone.
Look at the states led by either dems or reps, see which ones are prospering and make a fiscal decision based on sound financial handling. The social issues are very personal..HOWEVER, being gay, or equal rights…abortion…….all these issues are trumped by poverty and unemployment… Getting people work to be independent and strong is and should be a HUGE priority..what a person is or does is their choice, but without an income, life is even more difficult.
SORRY. I disagree with you. If you can’t even grant someone the dignity as a human being to make freely their own decisions such as with these stances against gay marriage, you don’t even get OFF THE GROUND to be considered a leader in any of the other areas. Do you not get that? I agree that an income and ability to define one’s economic self is key to one’s identity as well, but perhaps you should tell the politicians to STFU on people’s life choices such as whom they marry and talk squarely about economic issues. Once they pander to the religious right, I am out of here. Until I see a Republican candidate who can STFU on social issues like gay marriage and a woman’s right to choose and truly addresses economic issues, then and ONLY THEN will that person be a consideration. So who on the Republican side is that?????
If you care about the food you eat, Google her name with monsanto and GMO.
It is so interesting that she is still such a polarising politician
It will be more than interesting to see how this a plays out,but I am sure all you US folks will be so weary by the end of it all.Who will end up as the President???
Could it be someone yet to announce???
I hope we will be all here to check back on your thoughts and predictions ,and I hope that it will be someone worthy of the job.
It is always a worry for the rest of the world what the person who wins will do
I hope you can all keep that energy up for the next 18 months,phew!!!!!
It’s nice to see all the cynicism directed at both the major pain in the ass parties here. When I opened this thread I was expecting to see a bunch of “Yay for Hillary because she’s a woman” posts. I underestimated you all.
I think we’re all just tired of the corruption and BS. I think we’re sick of all these egotistic people who seem primarily concerned with saying and doing whatever they think it takes to get re-elected. I am so chagrined by people who put so much faith and trust in government and, even worse, seem to idolize or worship certain politicians as some kind of socio-economic saviors. They could care less about any of us. The more they say they care, the more can you bet their just pandering for votes and donations. Even the ones who seem so earnest somehow “change” once they get to DC. Power corrupts. Period. Which is why I have always been (and always will be) in favor of term limits. We are a country of 300+ MILLION people. It’s impossible – IMPOSSIBLE – for me to believe that these yahoos are the best we can come up with – no matter which side of the ideological spectrum you fall into. And it makes me sick that these very same politicians – in order to score more brownie points for themselves- have torn us (the general populace) apart. That’s the real tragedy. There is no more open dialogue or exchanging of thoughts and ideas or respect. There is just social media mob attacks, ridicule, shaming, threatening, etc….. Our “civil” society has become most uncivil. And I agree with the poster above….government should not be involved in personal social issues. Economics, foreign policy, border protection – basically keeping us safe…but not telling us what to do in our private lives. Ugh!
Exactly. The best we can be offered is another Clinton or Bush? No thanks. As you stated, in a country with over 300 million people there has to be a much wider pool to pick from. Sick of career politicians and their lies and deceit. Personally I think Washington needs to clean house. We live in a great country that is being turned to crap before our eyes. I want someone who appreciates our nation and it’s values instead of apologizing for them. And yes, government needs to keep it’s nose out of our business.
Yup! Ditto this!
I’ll vote for her and Mini Other Renee will cancel out my vote. Sigh. She gets all freaked out when I remind her that I was THIS CLOSE to giving her Hilary as a middle name.
You’d have to shoot me before I’d vote for another Bush.
Sigh. Sorry peeps. Do not want this lady in the WH. During her time there with her philandering hubby she treated those who deserve our utmost respect with contempt. There are photos and stories out there (please research) showing her treating servicemen and the men protecting her husband with nothing but disdain and hatred. I just cannot give my vote to one such as this. She is part of the political machine and honestly, most of the candidates are too. Much as Paul is “radical” and ya’ll call him “whiny”, I would rather have him in there than this so-called woman.
America deserves a better first female president than this entitled Clinton.
I don’t think that accepting that politicians are, for the most part, insanely dirty is naive or accepting less than we should. First of all, the role of politician in itself doesn’t allow one to be “clean” if you want to stay in office and make a career out of public service. Why? It is a game that I often liken in more simple terms to “Survivor” . You can’t please everyone, yet you need everyone, whether it be for votes or as an ally. Secondly, the issues as a *whole* that they deal with (the nitty gritty we often do not hear about, due to confidentiality or the press spinning it in a different direction) are lose-lose in many cases, and the decisions are often made to avoid disaster on a sub-issue that we may either know nothing about or at least not how the two are connected. In other words, *the whole* story often cannot be told.
She’s lying that having one email was more “convenient”. She’s incredibly smart, and can certainly juggled two accounts. There’s some sort of coverup. Shocking. I’ll bet you my leftover Easter candy that there is no politician out there who hasn’t participated in some level of coverup.
Now, as for Hillary…Yep, I will vote for her. I may even tape a Clinton bumper sticker to the rear window of my car. Girlfriend helped run the country withl Bill, and for the most part…life was really, really good for my blue & white collar, middle class family. The world is a hot mess, and for our country to be thriving & safe, for the most part, is not a bad thing. She knows the ropes, is smart as a whip, and has probably had a plan that will work for years. I’d rather have this than some clean, nice person who doesn’t really know what he or she is doing. That’s a WHOLE lot scarier than a dirty politician.
Coming from New Jersey, I can tell you that I trust *any* of Clinton’s plans to benefit the middle class a whole hel* of a lot more than Chris Christie, who has been nothing but a monkey with a machine gun. He is sapping our state and educational system dry and throwing the spoils to his millionaire buddies.
I have always thought that when a politician gets up to speak (anywhere) a green screen behind them should project all the companies they take money from a la NASCAR & all the patches the drivers wear to show their sponsors. Only then will we know who bought & paid for the drivel coming from their mouths.
The best quote about politicians comes from Tom Clancy’s The Hunt for Red October “I’m a politician which means I’m a cheat & a liar. When I’m not kissing babies, I’m stealing their lollipops” ~ the Secretary of Defense to Jack Ryan
I remember the mess she made of the doomed healthcare plan. The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons even filed a lawsuit against her and Donna Shalala over their closed-door meetings related to the plan and won. It was hinted that Bill was actually the driving force behind the plan but the task force headed by Hillary quickly bogged down under a secretive and bureaucratic mess of advisory boards, panels, councils, complicated relationships with government bodies and a dog’s breakfast of rules and regulations.
And what about Vince Foster’s suicide….?
Her and Obama share a lot in common. That is a good thing and a bad thing. I wished Obama was more progressive and and that he cared less about abiding Washington’s “way things are done here”. But I don’t care about what anyone says about her being no different than Republicans, Republicans are just way too extreme now and to see them in the top office ever again would be regrettable. She’ll pay lip service to progressive issues and probably have Wall street on speed dial but perhaps with the indomitable Warren in the Senate, they together could pave the way for someone who CAN be a leader for the 21st century.
I would love to have a female President but I agree that it should not be Hilary. For starters I am sick of the Clinton’s and the Bushes. But more importantly, Hilary and Bill have this huge sense of entitlement and both tend to get in trouble due to straight up hubris. And lately Hilary has come across as someone who is arrogant, haughty, and feels entitled to be President.
And I don’t think that her and Obama are all that similar. For the bad wrap that he gets, Obama has actually done a lot of good things; most of which probably won’t be fully appreciated for a while, if ever. My only problem with Obama is I think he is in someways legitimately a dreamer and he actually thought the Republicans (at least some of them) would be sane and actually work with him. Big mistake. He also learned very quickly that he had to play the game. They all do. Until there is a huge movement in America among the people, we will continue to have the same broken two party system. Actually I think looking back, people will admit that we lucked out with Obama. We could have had McCain / Palin in ofifce. And anyone who legitimately believes there is not a difference between the Palins, Cruz, Rubio, Walker, and the Obamas of the world, needs to get real.
And lets be honest, a lot of us on this board are progressive, we probably hang around very progressive / liberal people. That isn’t most people. A vast number of Democrats are still very moderate to the point of practically being conservative (the main differences being social services and taxation).
Some of us might be ready for an actual balls out, non establishment candidate. But the vast majority of this country is not. They haven’t reached that point yet. It’s sad but true. And until enough people say enough and quit being fooled by big money, we’ll continue to have elections where people choose who they think will be the lesser of two evils.
I think 2016 is going to be an awful election year. The pool of candidates is just horrendous.
Obama knew how to play the game way before he got to D.C. He has done a few things well but was not a good choice for the Republic. I see Hillary as arrogant but I see the same trait in Obama – a lawyer specializing in constitutional law but won’t follow the constitution. What I hope we have learned is the importance of educating ourselves about our government and really studying hard about a candidate before we elect anyone into office. Minorities need to understand that we own our vote and a candidate with a “D” beside her name may not always be the answer.
Anybody but her
This is how I feel. Even though I’m Republican, I would MUCH rather see Elizabeth Warren run.
Christine Baranski for President! Gosh I love that woman.
Anyway seriously, for a non-American I am loving reading these comments. Very interesting opinions.
I’ll definitely vote for her. The 90s were good in comparison to today. Bill Clinton left us with a huge surplus of money and we weren’t fighting and killing others in a useless war. I’m not a huge fan of Clinton, but I’ll definitely vote for her.
The Republicans scare the hell out of me. I can only imagine if they get in, there will be more insane perks for the mega wealthy, another conflict or war, and it will be open season on gays, pro-choice people, non-Christians, and public funding for schools, and other social services. While I can’t stand the Democrats, the Republicans frighten me much more. I don’t understand how anyone can vote for them unless you’re very wealthy, white conservative Christian male who doesn’t give a rat’s ass about others unless they’re exactly like you. Time and again, the Republicans convince people to vote against their own interests. It’s stunning.
THIS!!!
I’m a Republican. I’m not wealthy. And I’m not a male. I don’t hate gay people. I am pro-choice. And I think we need to improve our schools and social safety net to take care of the poor and disadvantaged. I don’t like war, in fact it makes me want to vomit. And I love all people, whether they’re like me or not. Please don’t characterize.
I’m all for female Presidents and Prime Ministers but given how history and the media portrays them – it shows that feminism has a LONG way to go. Margaret Thatcher was always been portrayed as an evil w!tch who destroyed Britain – granted some of her policies were harsh but she did bring this country out of an economic slump, stood up to Europe (it was her that we in the UK have to thank for not taking us fully into that corrupt organisation known as the EU) and created policies that have given so many people positive opportunities. I could go on and list the good things she did for this country – to me she was a great woman who achieved so much during a time when male chauvinism was rife – she had bigger balls than the rest of them. She is one of the biggest role models for modern feminists and it saddens me that there has never been another female PM in this country – forget Nicola Sturgeon, she’s a nasty, narrow minded little woman who has no idea of what she’s talking about.
Power corrupts, regardless of sex or creed. It’s corrupted Clinton and Kirchner (Argentine President who just recently managed to cover up her obvious involvement in the murder of a lawyer who was going to expose her and her gov’s theft and corruption). One can hope that maybe one day we will see equality for all.