These are some photos of Carole Middleton from her daughter’s 2011 wedding to Prince William. Looking back, the months and weeks leading up to William and Kate’s wedding were a preview of coming attractions for the whole Middleton clan. Carole and Michael Middleton did their own photo-op and interview after the engagement announcement. They released photos of Kate to the press. Every outlet ran a profile of Carole and how she helped her daughter land a prince. During that same time, Carole was also planning out what she would wear to her biggest society debut thus far, Kate’s wedding. Apparently, Carole commissioned a special outfit by designer Lindka Cierach. And then at the last minute, Carole didn’t wear it and Cierach’s business folded just a short time later. Coincidence?!
She was one of Britain’s leading couturiers and made Sarah, Duchess of York’s dress for her wedding at Westminster Abbey. But Lindka Cierach has taken the dramatic step of closing down her fashion business. Cierach — whose clients included Queen Rania of Jordan and Hollywood star Catherine Zeta-Jones — hit the headlines when she became involved in an acrimonious row with Carole Middleton.
‘That’s a part of my life that’s been and done,’ Lindka tells me when asked about the dispute with the Duchess of Cambridge’s mother.
Lindka, 62, who began creating elegant outfits (prices started at £4,500) at her studio in London’s South Kensington in 1979, is now pursuing a career as a healer.
‘I used to get very drained by being with difficult people,’ she says in an online comment explaining her new path. Carole, 60, who grew up in a council house before becoming a successful businesswoman, commissioned Lindka to make her outfit for Kate and Prince William’s wedding in 2011. But after spending four months attending many secret fittings, Carole left the designer stunned only days before the ceremony by refusing to wear the creation. Lindka still refuses to discuss the dispute, but the allegations made at the time were potentially damaging to her business.
Carole was reported to have accused Lindka, who was approached to make a dress with a matching tailored jacket, of being ‘unaccommodating’. It was reported that she had asked the couturier if the outfit could be delivered, unfinished, to her home so she could show it to her friends. Lindka told Carole the request was unconventional — people usually visit the studio — but that she would allow the outfit to leave only if she could accompany it herself to ensure it was not damaged, and that details of the design were not leaked to other parties. According to a source, Lindka was taken aback when Carole refused and said she no longer wished to wear the outfit.
A fashion insider said: ‘It is unheard of for a couturier to allow something out of their studio unfinished.’
Lindka was reported to have been left ‘completely bemused after all the hard work she had put into creating the outfit’.
She tells me: ‘I’m now involved in healing and a more balanced and spiritual way of life. It’s a different path and a very happy departure for me.’
This sounds like it could very well be true. I think it’s perfectly possible that Carole wanted everyone to genuflect and simper to the whims of the mother of the bride and when Carole was told “no,” she threw a fit, canceled the dress and badmouthed the designer to everyone. It also sounds like the kind of mistake Carole would make, expecting an unfinished dress to be delivered to her just so she can show off to friends, and she didn’t even consider the fact that she probably could have easily brought some friends to Cierach’s studio so they could see the dress. I feel bad for Cierach because it sounds like she had a difficult balancing act of trying to make nice with many difficult clients, but Carole Middleton was the straw that broke the camel’s back.
Photos courtesy of WENN.
And in the end Carole looked very Meh at the wedding anyway by whomever the final coat was designed by. The outfit has zero personality or particular style.
“The outfit has zero personality or particular style. ”
Just like her daughter.
Ditto. Carole’s couture ensemble was more *David’s Bridal* to me.
Looks like something out of a 1980s JCP clearance catalog (when they had the wedding/matron/bridesmaids section).
Carole sure looked more modest than she had wanted to. Her muscatella brown legs made her look cheap like a booze-and-beach-holiday Chantelle. And then she had to grit her teeth and go through the wedding dressed like that.
I enjoy the thought of that.
Thank you! I have never been able to put my finger on why I perceive Carole as so tacky when she actually dresses very conservatively.
It’s that tan.
Yep. Fur coat and nae knickers as they say up here.
Yes – it was probably a rush job as she decided against the couture outfit that was being made for her simple cuz the designer refused to kiss her ass.
If this is true then i can only imagine the world of pain Kate put the McQueen designers through with her dress.
And of course Carole Middleton is such a world class style icon that all the aristocratic and royal families that had been Cierach’s clients for decades just deserted her in droves after Kate’s middle class mother began badmouthing her. Srsly?
Sounds more like Cierach was over being a designer and wanted to do something else with her life.
Carole wore Catherine Walker. A designer who made her name by designing many of Diana’s more successful outfits.
I remember the talking heads kept saying how Carole was trying to evoke memories of Diana with the style and choice of designer.
If we’d known then what we know now about the Diana obsession that Carole and Kate seem to have, there would have been a lot more side eyeing of her wedding outfit.
And her hem is crappy. It’s uneven. Unheard of in couture clothes.
Agreed!! I was just noticing that- It looks unpressed!
Yes but it was probably off the rack with adjustments made and in a rush by the looks of it. Its a nice colour thou and i agree with another poster above who said that the tan makes the clothes (which are nice) look tacky and cheap on her. Which is sad as she has the figure and posture to carry them off well. This isnt the first outfit her tan has ruined.
I think Carole Middleton might just trump Julia Roberts, Goop and Gisele in the smug look department .
+1
My people at Ross Dress for Less would NEVER be so unaccommodating.
Thanks for keeping it real, Abbott. My team at Marshall’s is very accommodating as well.
Yes, but that’s a crack shot team you have at Ross, Abbott. Remember the night they stayed up until 3AM trying to locate the left Hush Puppie you had your eye on? Oh, and the words they had about the miscreant who had taken it from its box in the Clearance section!
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IKR? At my Ross, I’m such a VIP I can just show up and browse all the racks, pushing things aside, trying on whatever I want, returning them to the wrong section, and no one even bothers me.
At my local TK Maxx i can go in and get my size without waiting for someone to go and look for it – so very accomodating.
I think Carole and her 2 daughters are jumped up dullards. I cringe hearing Kate speak because she sounders posher than William and the Queen. Kate and Pippa wouldn’t know a hard day’s work if it bit them on their boney asses.
I read somewhere that she either changed her accent or had some lessons to sound all plummy.
Yep, definite elocution lessons.
That’s a very common thing in the UK. My Scottish friend sounds like she’s a posh bird from London, and nearly every friend I have from Yorkshire has affected a ‘posh’ accent. Though their version can’t even touch what Kate puts on, hers just sounds awful. Liz Hurley also went way overboard with hers.
I think this is part of her problem with public speaking. She has to concentrate on her phoney accent so much that she has trouble with spontaneous responses to questions and then gets flustered. (Denmark interview for example….talk about a word salad that was!).
I think the issue with her public speaking is she can’t think on her feet and she has limited social skills. I also think she has a certain anxiety about public events but as other have said many times before the more she does them the better and more comfortable she will be.
Betti/Vava
IMO it comes down to this. Kate has both fumbled and excelled in public speaking/appearances. It’s all about how comfortable she is. She loves those fun ceremonies and meeting celebs. Appears most at ease even in large crowds when in that environment. When not she fumbles. Or when she’s being asked her thoughts on anything she fumbles. It’s a lack of both social and conversational skills. As we’ve seen her leisure time is with William, her young children, and her immediate family. Not much else. That can cause a person to regress.
The anxiety (imo) has only shown up with her appearing very unrepared. She’s asked a question and yes there’s anxiety because she isn’t informed of the issue she’s there bringing awareness to.
She needs to be doing more and prepping. Key talking points. A brief history. It wouldn’t take more than a review in the car/helicopter ride over imo. Or while she’s getting her hair done.
In Kate’s defense, people “in the know” have never described as a dullard. She has a reputation for being sharp as a tack and academically gifted. It was often said that William is dumb as a stump compared to her and probably wouldn’t have finished university without her help. I suppose that just makes her lack of ambition all the more unfortunate. It’s probably due to the way her dragon lady mother raised her. “Cultivate the hair and the ovaries and nothing else, Kitty dear. You simply MUST bag a prince for Mummy!”
Agree, Kate seems to have zero ambition outside the home. But, I don’t know about her being “sharp as a tack”? I’ve heard Pippa described in a similar way, but never Kate and Uncle Gary had a completely different assessment of her.
+1. William is her full time job.
Some former teachers couldn’t even recall having her in class. St. Andrews students have gone online to share their experiences of being in school with her, and they didn’t describe a brainiac. Her Uncle is on record saying she’s always had to work harder at things because it doesn’t come easily to her like it does to Pippa. But yes, her full-time obsession has been pursuing and keeping the prince interested for 14 years and counting.
Actually the latest comments about the family (I’m sure they were reported here as well) were that Kate was very sweet but rather dim and quiet. Pippa is supposed to be the clever one in the family.
I’ve truly always heard the opposite of Pippa and Kate. I know Pippa is exceptionally outgoing and socially proficient, but having read her writing I will never believe there’s anything of substantial intelligence operating there.
“Can you test the smell by smelling it?”
Kate has never been described as ‘sharp as a tack’ – pretty and boring yes, but an intellect No. Pippa and Carole are the women with the brains in that family.
Those sharp as a tack stories were fluff. Also that she was critical to William finishing his degree. She took notes for him in his (not hers) classes if that counts.
Kate needed a tutor to help her along. No shame in that. Learning came easier to Pippa than Kate. It just shows Kate didn’t have the extra time to also learn William’s stuff and tutor him. Though, there were a few rumors Kate wrote some of William’s papers or made sure they were done and never by William.
Kate does well as long as someone gives her direction and a purpose to benefit herself as ambition.
The rest is easily seen in video of her listening and reading comprehension. Though, I believe she could easily improve her intelligence and grasp with frequency.
LOL, Kate doesn’t strike me as ‘sharp as a tack’ at all. I really can’t imagine her participating in any conversation with much substance to it.
Nouveau riche. Nothing more, nothing less. Lack of class and no manners but replaced by sense of entitlement.
All very interesting. I don’t have a dog in this race either way, though I still am highly dubious, based on her inability to string together a competent sentence for her own “book” that Pippa is in any way bright. Ambitious perhaps. She hustles and seems driven, yes, but the woman’s idea of an astute observation is to point out that glitter is sparkly. Anyway, I read an article recently (maybe in the Daily Beast? I forget) that described Kate as the most intelligent among most of the royals, but I now suspect that perhaps that was more a veiled insult to the Windsors than a compliment to Kate. I still believe Prince “let me go trophy hunting and then blather on about conservation” William is dumb as a stump.
No she didn’t – the lady in question went off to do something more meaningful with her life (which is awesome by the way – love it!), but this makes for good gossip fodder.
But I certainly wouldn’t want Carole as a client – she has the most awful energy! She probably wanted to show another designer the unfinished garment to see if they could make it cheaper. Ha!
Carole could probably be thanked for this lady turning to healing though – she probably realised from her dealings with Carole that she (the designer) is an Empath and has designed to make a career from it. (I say this based on her comment about how dealing with difficult people made her feel [I’m one also]).
I find it difficult to believe that Carol Middleton has THAT much clout.
The designer seems to have many clients from the aristocracy. These circles do not follow any Middleton.
She obviously does not know how to deal with couturiers. Diana was such a natural! I may sound snooty – but there it is! Traveling thru the classes is something that Carole felt up to – I suppose that we can watch.
I don’t want to be in her shoes, honestly.
She may feel herself above “the masses” but the upper class (I know it’s snotty!) will always scoff at her climbing efforts. She’s basicly hanging between worlds.
It’s a hard job to offer emotional support (which I think Kate needs) in a frenemy environment.
She has chosen that role and she has had about a decade to experience the aristocracy and their snobishness.
I agree – she like her daughter don’t know how to deal with a lot of things.
Not snooty. I’d never even heard of that profession before today, but if I were suddenly in a position to have luxury services at my command, I think I’d treat the providers with a great deal of respect, in part because I am an outsider to that world and in part because that’s just common decency. Thus, it’s not classist to criticize nouveaux riche for bad behavior. They should know better.
It sounds to me that the designer was over all the entitledness she had to deal with and if she’s just closing up shop now there have been four years of entitlement since. Interesting that they chose to showcase Carole Middleton on that since it happened so long ago.
I agree. One previously-unknown client canceling a job cannot kill the career of any known or skilled designer. Carole M could complain as much as she liked, but to whom? Her circle of friends didn’t include couture clients or they’d all have known that she couldn’t take the dress home pre-completion.
I can’t help but find the press coverage of the Middleton family (particularly Carole) revolting. I’m certainly not defending them or on anyone’s ‘side’ but the vitriol aimed at them really does carry a deep-rooted undercurrent of snobbery – a form of ‘get back in your place, uppity peasant’.
I wholeheartedly agree. People in the UK will never let anyone forget she lived in council housing. Not ever. William’s own friends made fun of Kate’s family from early on. And how do all of us know Carole Middleton’s personality? From reports in the DM? How reliable.
I have no idea, she may be awful. But the comments and the news stories are always designed to cut her on class alone. Know your place, plebe!
Why did William not interfere? He is a Prince so he should be able to rule his friends at least and he should have defended his then-girlfriend.
I agree, Pondering. Why didn’t William put a stop to it? That story has been everywhere. If that was my boyfriend my friends were slagging, I’d have been all over them like a cheap suit.
The reason why he didn’t put a stop to it was he was probably joining in – just goes to show you how much he respects his wife and in laws.
The Doors to Manual crack came out during one of the big breakups. Possibly from the Middleton’s hired PR person who now works at the Express (?). Did his friends really say it, or was it Middleton PR spin?
There’s also a story of William mocking her lack of intelligence. I think he respects his mother-in-law, but his wife is another issue.
Nota
There have been so many stories filtering through over the dating years of William not respecting Kate. The nicknames, DtoM, Mattress, Limpet, ect… Both used while dating and when broken up. Him jumping on a table and yelling he’s free post break up. Packing for a week vacation on his birthday, flying to meet him, then haing him spend an hour with her and telling her to go home after inviting her…
And the wandering eye that no one denies.
Those are just a handful of things known. And it’s all very sad. While he loves Kate and her family does he respect his wife?
Looking back at various things Whitaker said of Kate he had her number. I wonder what he would say to all of the current news on both Cambridges.
FLORC what sort of things did Whitaker say about Kate? i didnt hear about the hr vacation story – thats a nasty thing to do.
Betti
There’s a “mirror” page that has snippets of him speaking about Kate, Diana, William and others. Also many youtube videos of his thoughts having been a respected royal insider.
The hour trip was (I think) during the jigsaw days? Maybe wrong. It was William calling Kate to visit him for his party. She packed for the trip and flew down immediately. She got there and William saw her for an hour (maybe 2 tops) and she left. Loads of theories why she left, but I’m not saying 1 for certain as all could be a combination.
What I adored about James Whitaker is he was so polite when saying something not nice. And it wasn’t even in a mean passive aggressive way. Like how Kate mooned a lot of people at Marlborough. He called it a phase/penchant and that someone told her it was not nice or silly and she then stopped.
Maybe. But the mere fact of their social climbing through their daughters’s marriage prospect is reason enough to criticize them.
YES!! I said the same thing down below. One thing though, at least their snobbery is out in the open, not like our Repubs who hide to hide their obvious hatred and disdain for the poor.
I always shake my head at the people who say that the Midds never asked for attention or scrutiny, woe is them!! They invited a camera crew to their home to film their statement after the engagement announcement. The posed, and preened, outside the Goring the day before the wedding and the day after. They rode in carriages at Ascot and waved at the masses. They were on one of the boats in the Jubilee Flotilla. They took the Cambridges to church Christmas morning the year William boycotted his family. They have sought attention, smiling and waving, since their girl brought home the golden goose. Those stories about how its a disgrace the Midds don’t have an earldom? Come on.
Throw in Carole’s recent pap strolls with her grandson.
And Pippa interviewing with NBC, doing an audition segment for them to try to get a Jenna Bush/Chelsea Clinton type deal; James doing interviews to advertise his business as well as posing for the media with his TV-celebrity gf (whatever her job is); the Middletons featured in a series of children’s books sold at the BP gift shop; the Middletons using the Royal Box at Wimbledon and getting their faces in pap’d; their using Tanna; etc.
Since they’ve decided to involve themselves in the media attention, trying to get good press, then they also have to accept that they’re not always going to come out looking good. They have to take the good with the bad.
Agree 100% with you Lennox. This website in particular loves to be vicious to them and I just don’t get it. Where is all the hate coming from? They have a daughter who fell in love with a Prince. They want their daughter to be happy and support her (what good parents wouldn’t?) and they are just living their lives and being normal parents/grandparents. I wonder if all the hate would be the case no matter who Prince William married? I really hope people are kinder to whoever chooses to take on being married to Harry!
Hate is a word over/incorrectly used here. Stating an opinion/constructive criticism/facts. Those things if not agreed with are called hate when it’s creating an extreme to invalidate these points. When you go to extremes it’s a last resort debating technique because there’s little else you can counter the argument with. So, the person stating the facts gets attacked outright to invalidate the facts.
And sadly, Harry’s wife will get the worst of it to boost the heir’s wife. It has always been this way.
And unfortunately, Kate’s marriage was also taking a job. You want to live privately? No one is stopping her from that. As long as she takes the perks provided she can visit her charities for 45 minutes a month.
Lol yeah, these people probably thinks they can do/act better if they are the wife/in laws of William’s. Finding faults is the easiest thing to do.
Things are easy when they’re obvious. And anyone can do better than nothing at all.
Your assumption is off though. Many of us do charity work in our leisure time. We don’t get paid for. When helping others is your job you should do it.
Poor Carole… the British media is obsessed with making her a villain just because she’s a good mother.
Being in a place of power is different than just being a good mom.
They don’t write about her because she may well be a great mom. They write about her because she put herself out there. When you put yourself out there, you get what you get. The old, “be careful what you ask for; you might get it” adage.
I need proof of her being a good mother.
Me too. Thus far none of her three children seem entirely too dependent on their parents and lacking in career ambitions and accomplishments.
Sorry, but I do not consider marrying a prince and producing an heir and a spare as “accomplishments.” Not when millions of women every year get married, fall pregnant, and give birth.
Kate is lucky to have a close relationship to her family, BearcatLawyer. Very, very lucky. The alternative is isolation and vulnerability if anything goes sour in her marriage. I’m convinced that Diana would be alive today if her family wasn’t so dysfunctional or she’d had a protective relationship with her mother like Kate has in Carole.
According to Tina Brown’s book, Diana’s brother–for all his posturing at her funeral, the hypocrite–had changed his mind about giving her a cottage on the Althorp estate where she could bring her sons just before her death because he thought it would be too expensive for him (ironic, given how her death has turned the estate into a tourist destination, but I guess he benefits financially from THAT). She struggled to find things she could do with her children that wouldn’t turn into a mob scene and felt she couldn’t compare to Charles’ ability to take them to Balmoral or other outdoorsy places they enjoyed.
Since she was shunned by the aristocrats who picked Charles, Brown says that pushed her into the orbit of Dodi al-Fayed and his father–in part to give her sons a safe, fun vacation on Fayed’s yacht that last summer.
Plus, Diana was estranged from her mother, who she felt abandoned her when she left Diana’s father for another man (Diana’s maternal grandmother even testified against her own daughter getting custody, she was so enamored with titles and the Spencer earldom). Nor did her sisters provide Diana with much support. Diana’s older sisters were the ones who coaxed her into marrying Charles when she got cold feet by joking that “your face is on the tea towels,” no backing out now. No one in Diana’s family really looked out for her the way that Kate’s family seems eager to help her now. For Kate’s sake, I hope that continues. Certainly, none of the people who are William’s friends are ever going to befriend Kate if he leaves her.
I wonder if Carole has great influence over William. His choices sometimes reflect Diana’s frustration with the royals.
that reminds me in this Twitter post:
Henry Starr:
Lol when Carole Middleton comes into work and expects preferential treatment. No.
5:59 PM – 16 Dec 2014
I bet Carole is like “Don´t you know who i am? Here, kiss my signet ring you peasant”
Who is Henry Starr?
a british student working in a shop. I would like to know for what shop he works, but he was intelligent enough not to post the name of his work place on his profile. I bet his boss wouldn´t be happy about it
When you do business with the rich and the spoiled you sometimes have to put up with some sh!t. It may very well have hapened like that, but it seems the designer had her own issues if such outcome prompted her to turn to ‘healing’.
Carol sounds like a horrible woman, and I rejoice in knowing that the dress she did end up wearing was dull, ordinary and aging. I remember being surprised at how mumsy and dowdy she looked. One of the worst dressed people at that wedding, which now makes me cackle.
Horrible no. And I thought she looked nice at the wedding.
Kate… did you miss the photographs of the York girls?
1 thing about the York outfits that was amazing is turning the attention into raising 6 figures in an online ebay sale for UNICEF. A charity Bea patrons.
The dress underneath Bea’s coat was lovely and flattering. I think she re-wore it to Amadeo’s wedding.
I would like to know if Carol(e) paid her the full amount for the commissioned piece. I bet she didn’t. Horrid woman.
She also left the hat designer in the lurch by dumping the £400 hat.
She went to the Catherine Walker design house and ended up wearing an outfit similar to a old Diana one.
I have noticed that she copies Diana is some of the smallest details.
Well, Diana did enjoy the coat dresses. I like the one she wore touring the Isle of Wight. Coat dresses are like the convertible of cars. They’re timeless classics.
And Springtime is such a great time of year for coat dresses.
Lol @ this story. Even if half of that occured, Carole would not be the sole reason a designer closes her business. The economy is still tough for A LOT of designers. Some are barely staying afloat. A single client changing her mind for an event years ago is not going to be the main reason for a designer to close shop. Clients change their mind all the time. I do agree that people in fashion (on all sides) can be very difficult. But that’s the “norm for the industry.
You didn’t read. The designer said she was tired of dealing with the attitudes of these people. That’s why she changed careers to something more spiritually fulfilling than soul destroying.
The article states prices started…started at £4,500. That is an insane starting price for a minor house. That could have a great deal to do with her atelier shuttering
I think we all know that the Daily Mail really hates Carol M and they will find anything to hit her with, even a story as wishy-washy as this. I am sure there is more to the tale than we read here, some additional facts which might explain Carol’s ultimate decision, but the DM will just give you the aspect that puts Carol in the least flattering light. It’s gossip fodder when there ain’t much else to write about.
Imaginary Mrs M: Oi, oi, is yer listenin’ or not, pet? This ‘ere is a ge-own wot’s for the big knot twixt me own young shy fawn ‘n the very son of ‘is Nibs! ‘Im wot’s in all the glossies! Ten years work ain’t it just! Ten years, pet, pushin’ me young lumpin’ sullen gal up a hill, wot, up a ‘ill into the sunshine of our ‘appiness, didm’ I? Didn’ !! Sunshine! Son of is’ Nibs! I’m pract’ly the best mate of ‘is late mum now, ain’t I? I’m pract’ly “ER MESELF NOW, ain’t I? ME! I am takin’ ‘er lost legacy forward now, ain’t I? I cn tell you, I do ‘ear ‘er in me ‘ead, thankin’ me, y’know, I ‘ear ‘ere sayin’, “Cor, nice ‘airdo, Carrie love, and thanks fer buiildin’ a wife for me golden kid!”
Imaginary Designer: Madam, I don’t quite think –
iMM: So wot you goin’ to do, Miss Ooh Ain’t I the Fancy One w’ ‘er own little
sewin’ machine? wot? Well, I ‘ave a billion quid business sellin’ me paper goods to the hoi polloi, don’t I? I ‘ave a hundred tiny children in the provinces glu’in me wares together day’n’night don’ I? I got girls’ academies at my fingertips, I got the press boys sendin’ me choccies! So who’s the fancy girl now, Miss? Who? Listen good, pet, y’er dealin’ wiv the NEX’ BES’ THING to the late glorious People’s Princess, ain’t you now, ain’t you? An’ yer’ still arguin’ wiv me about a few tiny little special things I may be askin’ for, same as any Princess o’ the Realm would be askin’ for?
Imaginary D: With all due respect, madam, I don’t think there can be any way of describing your requests as a “few tiny little special things”. We’ve had one hundred and fourteen fittings; these were Champagne and watercress fittings, at your request. You asked that the dress fabric from the House of Bluhare in Paris be sent to us wrapped in “the pelt of a wolf like Henry the Eighth’s time” and ferried in to the country during dark of night from France on a boat, and this was done. You asked that the bolt of fabric then be carried to my workroom by “real type hunky Buckingham guards in them hats, with a right to kill” and we managed that. You wished the design to emulate the famous Christina Stambolian dress worn by the late Princess to the White House, “but with a right tight little jacket what I can pin with a great diamond award type brooch what ‘is Nibs should give me from their right big treasure box as I am basically the gran of the future king and already the top advisor to the king before that” – as I believe you put it — and that too has been done – albeit no pin yet. But, I must draw the line at these last requests.
iMM: Oi! Oi! Sass! an’ who are you when the cat’s put out? Now, as it’s known, me brother has give you a right pile of quid for the ge-own, for me, pet! A right pile! More money than you ever seen, ain’t it! Some keep you quiet money too, n’there? N’there? So I’ll tell you as I tell me own Mister M and the kiddies, n’ the night staff up in the old barn at PartyPoopsies: do as I say, or you’ll be buskin’ for coins in the park wivout yer legs, Uncle style, an’ weepin’ fer a chance to pack me lovely gold cocktail-size balloons and crepe paper Royal Family bachelor whips again!
iD: I must say, madam, I quite resent the tone of this conversation, and I can assure you I don’t do business in this manner. To repeat, you cannot “have the gown brought to your home to show your mates who you are now, and so bring it in a nice public way in a parade of limousines led by a white Indian elephant clad in purple silk and jewels, and you Miss will get out and the gown will be hidden in a bag of mink, an’ you Miss will carry the bag to me on my multi-use terrace and place it at my feet with a low curtsy, and Prince Philip who’s probably doin’ right nothin’ now at ‘is age can come too and show me the proper respect of a meat tea wiv me ladies club,”
iMM: Me mates say I should expec’ no less! No less! People’s Princess’ Kid’s new Mum I am, wot!
iD: — and I will add, again, that I cannot and will not “embroider the entire interior silk lining of the dress and jacket with her own Queen’s crest, alternating with a new Middleshanks crest featuring a set of badgers climbing a wisteria on top of which stands a lovely slim girl in a Zara frock waving a sword and holding the severed head of an old king.” I have no special license allowing me to do this. Also, I cannot “affix enameled images of the Queen and her hubby like badges to the tops of my silk heels, nice nad fancy like. An’ make me a nice smocked brassiere an’ thong pants, fancy too, like, like wot Julie Andrews probably wore under her dress when she became royal and married that von Trapp man in the film, as my lot is marryin’ into the German royalty too, wot.” I must say, rather strongly, feel that “fancy” be highy inappropriate, madam, just as I feel it would be incorrect to create a “nice bespoke pert false ass made of only the best horsehair clipped from the Queen’s own stables fer me youngest, as she’ll be the wares on sale on the telly on the Day, won’t she.” I am quite firm about these matters, madam, and I assure you, I say this for your own good.
iMM: Well! I never! I never! Last time I was spoke to in this insultin’ manner, my brother ‘ad the feller disappear in the Chunnel, didn’ he just? I can still and will have all your future BA flights downgraded, Miss, I was SOMEONE at the airport tweren’t I, and I can tell you, you’ll sit by the commercial class loo the rest of yer born days, you bloody sniffy toff! A heartbeat away from the son of ‘is Nibs I am! That’s who I am! And I’ll ruin you, I will! Won’t be a gal in Buckledupbury what will hire the likes o’ you fer their hunt ball ge-owns ever! Not one! And tell all yer like, me young gal is goin’ to shop the high streets day in an’ out, to show the nation it’s the proper thing to avoid the bleeding ruddy posh designer class! Put you all out of business, won’ we?
Leave you dressin’ the common likes of that hustlin’ Helen Mirren and great trout Cammie, won’t I ? Oh, you’ll see who I am soon enough! Reject my knowledgeable fashion advice, will y? I’ve flown to Paris, free! ‘aven’t I! Why, I’ll be dressin’ my future little king of England my way, fancy like, smocks up to yer nose, Miss, and no chat from the likes of you!
iD: Good day, ma’am! Your money will be returned to you directly. And now I have a call to make to a spiritual center about a long retreat. I’ve had enough client “advice” for a lifetime.
iMM: Har, just wait til I get through wiv advisin’ the ‘ole bleedin’ country! You’ll be wishin’ you was back in my employ! It’s the Middleshanks era, pet, ‘an ‘yer stuck in the past! I’m pickin’ up where the late Princess left off and doin’ things as she should’ve for the good of her kid ‘n the country’s taste! Kings will romp with me at the seashore some day! Follow me about even if I’m wearin’ me own brand print house dresses, won’t they? Watch the tabs, and you’ll see! you”ll see how a clothes empire for mums n’tots is built before I’m done, and I won’t need you!
soooooooo many gems in this one, Liberty!! My fave:
” I’m pract’ly the best mate of ‘is late mum now, ain’t I? I’m pract’ly “ER MESELF NOW, ”
OMG ROFL
La maison de bluhare a Paris! Je suis une etoile!
I am chuffed upside down and sideways to have a mention in one of your literary masterpieces, Liberty. Thank you!
Cut and print!! This is comedy gold!
Oh Liberty, you should write a book with all this dialogue you have put on Celebitchy, I would buy it!
Me too.
Stop!! LOL!! STOP!! LOL!! I’m going to pee myself!!!
I love to laugh, Liberty. You give me so many times to do so!
This may be the best thing I’ve ever read in my life. Well done!
Carole doesn’t sound like a peach but I think it’s disgusting how the article just had to mention that she grew up in a “council house.” As if somehow, if she’d been nobility or higher born, the behavior would be more acceptable or that she should “know her place.” I may not love the Middletons but I love all the classist garbage they expose just by being so prominent.
The family is known as social opportunists and climbers, the Wisteria Sisters, because of their behavior. They chose to act that way. Her mother, Dorothy, referred to by other relatives as Lady Dorothy. “She wanted to be the top brick in the chimney. You got the feeling that she thought she was too good for the rest of us.”
The issue isn’t where Carole comes from. The issue is, Carole has a problem with where she comes from.
I remember in the 1980s, the British press constantly harped on the fact that Margaret Thatcher was the daughter of a greengrocer. It didn’t seem to matter that she was the Prime Minister – we had to be constantly reminded that she came from a lower middle-class background and therefore was not `one of us`. In the States, people who come from modest backgrounds and become very successful are admired; in the UK, they are reviled for not knowing their place. I’m left to wonder whether Carole Middleton’s snobbery is in reaction to that.
So, if I understand your argument correctly, not wanting to stay where you came from is uppity and problematic, the nerve of the woman to not want to stay where society has decreed she belongs.
She’s chasing after being a member of the aristocracy and having her PR person publicly begging for a title. Getting signet rings. A family crest based on skiing. She’s accepting the ridiculous rules of UK society and doing anything she can to be accepted. Why?
Be proud of what you’ve achieved as a businesswoman. Show everyone one that, even though your daughter married into some antiquated system, YOU see no need to play along with old school rules. They would be far better liked by more people, I suspect, if they saw no value in all that.
You grandson may eventually be king, whatever that means. Stop chasing a peerage. Stop kowtowing to aristocrats whose titles are meaningless and whose coffers are empty. Show some dignity and prove that what you accomplish as a human is more important than any useless inherited title.
And BTW, get your daughter off her a$$ and get to work earning her ridiculous life.
Bringing up Carole’s late mother is beyond tacky.
So let me get this straight … We’re supposed to mock a woman who worked night and day to help establish a better life for her family? And we are supposed to worship the queen who has been afforded every privilege by simply being born to the right parents? Pushy or not, it is a good thing clueless Kate has a tough mom like Carole to help her navigate life among people with these types of attitudes. And lastly, the attributes people use to describe Carole would be repackaged as determined, focused, decisive, and resolute if she were a male. Ugh.
I think you are all misunderstanding what Nota is saying.
We don’t mock Carole because she’s working class who is now rich.
We mock her because *she* buys into the antiquated system. She can’t stop acquiring and showing off the signs that show that she’s arrived.
Her brother Gary is far, FAR wealthier than she is, and doesn’t give two figs about being accepted by the aristos and no one mocks him for it. He has given interviews in which he has said that *Carole* cares about such things and has always cared about such things whereas he didn’t and doesn’t care.
Carole’s mother is brought up because she behaved the same way Carole is behaving. Whether that was jealous neighbours or jealous poorer relatives, the end result is the same. They thought she wanted to climb the social ladder and behaved like it.
Just like we can bring up Diana or Charles or Carole to explain learned behaviour or reactive behaviour that we see in William, Harry or Kate, we can invoke Dorothy. It’s not tacky @IMO.
If bringing up dead people is tacky, I hope you complain when people bring up Diana.
LAK
Well stated, as always.
And I’d find Gary to be hilarious if he wasn’t so terrible.
What LAK said.
Also, Montrealise – Mrs Milk Snatcher was referred to as the daughter of a grocer invariably in a COMPLIMENTARY way by supportive press. You have that completely the wrong way around. The grocer’s daughter thing was always used as an exemplar for aspiration because her brand was to appeal to the white van man – aka aspirational working class. At no point was it used pejoratively.
Analyzing Kate/William/Harry’s behavior based on their parents is somewhat fair because we have multisourced, public record of said behavior. We know next to nothing about Dorothy Goldsmith and have absolutely no proof that what her whispering neighbors and relatives have said about her is accurate. Less gossiping and more ambition may have served them better in life. Social climbing and improving one’s lot are not mutually exclusive but let’s not pretend that they are one and the same. Carole is seen as a climber and Gary seems to want success without caring what other’s think – yet When Dorothy is reported to have wanted success without caring what others think she is a snobby climber??
A stretch. And tacky.
Bluhare,
I don’t recall saying that bringing up dead people is tacky. I said bringing up Carole’s late mother is tacky. I have given reasons why I hold this opinion, so I don’t need to rehash them. I am sorry that you feel that stating an opinion equals complaining.
There is information about Dorothy Goldsmith in the biography Katie Nichol wrote about Kate. Therefore, there is a multisourced public record about her out there.
The inclusion of the word “late” in your post led me to believe that was part of your issue.
Imo
Only for my understanding. “late mother” and some who’s dead are the same thing, right?
I will say this for certain. Sometimes opinions are complaining. As a recent 4 year old taught me. It was his opinion he didn’t like the game we were playing and complained at length about it.
IMO: then take it up with Katie Nicholl who wrote about Dorothy Goldsmith in her biography of Kate.
Kate Nicholl gets her information at source ie the Middletons themselves.
If the Middletons ie Carole wished to paint their own relatives as a social climber, albight one accused of this by neighbours who came to that conclusion based upon her behaviour, who are we to disabuse them of it?
If Carole’s own brother tells us that Carole cares about being in the right social circles, who are we to disabuse him of it?
Thank you LAK, that is indeed what I meant. Some of the most vicious criticism of the Middletons came during the “they should have a peerage” articles. Everyday people who used to like them, now criticizing them for buying into the silly notion that titles matter.
FLORC, I find Gary both terrible and hilarious.
FLORC
Late means deceased. When you ask questions like this I remember that you aren’t fluent in English. Your grasp of the language far exceeds that of many native speakers.
This is not a complaint just my opinion 😉
Have a great weekend.
LAK
Your tone is amusing.
It’s not often that a poster here is told to take up an issue with an author. CB is where one is actually supposed to express an opinion, no?
As for Carole being the one telling Nicholl that her mother was a social climbing snob – are you remotely serious?
I personally think Carole is a snob but I can’t be bothered to care that much. I do think it is quite another odious thing to drag her late mother into the slagging. Your opinion is no greater than mine – just your condescension.
Nothing else to say on my part but do carry on if you like.
Ha, I have family who say that because I didn’t want to get married and have three kids by 21 and skipped off to university instead that I “thought I was too good” for them. Love to know how Carole is really like instead of “what people say”
We are talking about why Carole Middleton may have the attitude some think she has. And being raised by a snob may have a direct influence on that. It is very relevant and not tacky to bring it up; it actually supports the argument. Apples tend to not fall far from trees. And the condescension? Snap.
Lol am I the only one who notices that the same posters always seem to swoop down on those who refuse to accept their version of the truth? It gets old after awhile. Start your own blogs if you’re that emotionally invested in this. Otherwise stop squeezing out different opinions.
Good luck, Imo. You always seem to need it with this crowd.
Personally, I’m going to keep quoting the Middleton family about the Middleton family. Queen Mary about Lillibet and Philip. Philip and Charles about the Monarchy. Diana about William and Harry. etc. etc. etc.
The direct quotes, as rare as they are, give an anchor to many of our discussions.
“I have to be seen to be believed.” – Queen Elizabeth II
Imo
Thanks! And I am fluent in English when speaking. When it comes to text and I can’t pick up on gestures or tones things get very lost. Even with tones and gestures I get it wrong though. And Liberty’s stories… I’m pretty lost in those.
Bluhare
A time that sort of supports Carole’s attitude. In their last family home around engagement time there was a story. 2 little girls made a collage for Kate. They took the bus to the Middleton house which had a bus stop nearby. Walked to the front door and Carole answered. When they said it was for Kate Carole told them to send it to the palace for royal security. The little girls left upset.
I think it’s a sense of entitlement overall. Same with how James used the RPOs at Pippa’s book promotion to clear his way to his car that wasn’t blocked by anyone. No royal was there so I found it odd RPOs were.
IMO: It’s transparently obvious how much you care.
And yes, definitely take it up with the author since that is whom we are quoting and you are as aware as we are of her sources because you quote her too.
Tammy, I don’t know why you’re offended that people questioned imo’s take. This is a blog, and people here have opinions. I get piled on when I go against the grain too. It’s not new, it’s not angry, it’s people disagreeing with her comment — with actually a pretty good argument (if I do say so myself as I argued it). If she says something I like I agree with her. In this case I didn’t. So to dismiss that as people piling on her and she’ll need luck with this crowd is pretty rude too, imo of course.
That “Lady Dorothy” quote reminds me of my British cousin. Among all my cousins, she is the only one who went to college and married someone outside the social group, and she is routinely blasted by my other cousins for thinking she’s “above them.” She gets called “uppity” and they say “oh, Queen Cathy thinks she’s all that.” Obviously it is a lower-class example, but I think people save some special scorn for people who try to move up social groups. I don’t see why people outside the group who are trying to get in are necessarily worse than people already inside.
Agreed, MVD, on the “council house” digs at Carole. It’s like growing up in state-subsidized housing and having the initiative to make a better life for your family than you had is somehow shameful. So classist. There’s nothing wrong with where Carole grew up and nothing wrong with having a party supplier business, either. Whether they did it 100% on their own or had help from her brother, that’s the ideal outcome for a council house resident: the existence of such housing gave Carole and her brother a safer or more stable place to live (in comparison to the pre-council house era) when they were young kids and they’ve gone on to be more successful as adults (and hopefully contributed back into the tax system that helped them). Whatever her personality or issues, growing up in a council house shouldn’t be used against her. Nor should having a job as a flight attendant or a company that makes party favors.
It does remind me, as an American, of a writer who commented on Downton Abbey’s characters awhile ago by saying that Edith would be the natural heroine in an American drama, whereas in the real DA, she is portrayed as a hapless, clueless screw-up. Carole is doomed to be the scheming, clueless equivalent of googly eyed Lady Edith in the British media because she has a dark tan (like a tacky reality star, how dreadful!), a paved driveway, and her name isn’t von StubenWhatsit.
I don’t mind Carole’s fashion looks. She’s never flashy OTT and I like that.
You must have missed the one-shouldered orange satin minidress, slit up to there to show off the spanx. That was worn in the last few years.
notasugarhere
You’re right, I did miss that one.
Well, we all have our off days and I suppose that was Carole’s. Hard to believe she wore spanx too. Wow, a really off day.
I’ll try to find that one on Google images.
As for Carole’s shoes and purses, I find her choices are a hit ie- age appropriate and stylish.
Why do i believe this? Probably because you know its something she would have done -expected a couturier to jump throu hoops for the mother of the royal bride. And i agree with what someone else upthread said – she was probably planning on getting it made cheaper by someone else. They are not as wealthy as they like us all to think they are.
The cracks are appearing – the tide is turning against the Cambridges. I’ve got the wine ladies, come sit next to me and gossip while we wait for it to hit the fan! *pats sofa*
Before I sit down, what kind of snacks do you have?
Je suis la reine de la maison de bluhare. Je ne peux pas juste manger Cheetos et le Cheez Whiz!
I think that’s very bad French, so please accept my apologies in advance, French speakers!
A couple of the mini chocolate snack tubs from M&S (how very middle class of me) – at least one is the mini snapjacks.
anyone in the atelier up for some organic guacamole and white corn chips? And some sinfully good Herren Schokolade?
Can we follow it up with frozen Bakelse Prinsess (Princess Cake) and handfuls of those mini Daim chocolate bars from IKEA?
Postings crossed. I can give up the Daim for Liberty’s far superior chocolate. But I might have to hang on to the Princess Cake just for the fun and irony of it.
nota, no! We leave out the basic chocolate!! Take the frozen Princess cake and Daim bars every time!
(tosses schokolade into bushes, surprising two paps)
Organic guacamole and white corn chips? Le yum!!! Le maison de bluhare will provide the custom designed bibs for the occasion I’m a messy eater, especially when we have LAK bring out the fondue de chocolat, so a serviette will not do.
Betti, chocolate tubs of any kind from M&S are proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. Every time I am in the UK I drop a small fortune on M&S and Waitrose packaged snack foods. Once the checkout girl – seeing my cart filled with nothing resembling real or healthy food – asked casually, “Are you having a big party, love?” I had to explain that no, I was visiting from Texas and filling up a suitcase of all my favourites to take back with me. She was dead impressed when I added that my mother is British so I was raised from the cradle on M&S everything.
I’m confused. What’s a serviette?
Lady LAK
Bearcatlawyer: indeed. Personally, M &S underwear which might be staid, but so comfortable. Nothing like proper cotton underwear (sorry folks. TMI)
Watch out Liberty, if you bruise one of them they’ll sue for damages.
LAK, you could try Jockey (TMI).
Lady LAK,
I thought serviette was posh French for gob wipe.
Sincerely,
bluChav
Serviette=Napkin. AKA gob wipe.
“If you can’t say something good about someone, sit right here by me.” – Alice Roosevelt Longworth
I’m sure Middleton is a hosebag but it’s a bit much to claim a successful designer to the aristocrats’ entire business folded just because Carol Middleton didn’t wear one dress one time. The designer must be pretty crap at her job if one single incident of someone (someone looked down upon by the aristocracy) snubbing her can destroy her entire business. From the quotes it sounds like she just didn’t enjoy her career so she let it go. Fashion is very difficult, you have to have ambition and be willing to really work and fight for it. If this woman wasn’t willing to do that it obviously wasn’t the right job for her.
She was in business for decades. She made Sarah Ferguson’s wedding dress back in 1986. This wasn’t a fly-by-night person or a newbie who gave up easily.
I think she looks quite nice in the blue coat and hat. Nice figure too.
Of all the BRF brides of 80s – current, I think Fergie’s dress is the best. Followed by Sarah Chatto.
Whilst I feel bad for Lindka Cierach, her clothes were badly finished. In my former career, I worked with a client who ordered a lot from Lindka, but who was always disappointed by the finish of the final product and would have to send them to a local seamstress to correct. She kept ordering the clothes out of loyalty, but we all thought it was ridiculous to continue because Lindka wasn’t cheap.
I’m so with you on Sarah’s dress. She never looked better than she did that day.
http://orderofsplendor.blogspot.com/2010/06/top-10-best-royal-wedding-dresses-5.html
Having been the 80’s The dress was lovely. I am no fan of 80’s fashion.
Florc: the blog references a bride whose wedding dress designer wasn’t able to rein in bride’s bow obsession and I clicked on the provided link…..
……my eyes!!! How is that travesty possible. In the noughties too!!!
The bride is Mabel siit (sp?) marrying Prince Johan – Current King of The Netherlands’ brother.
The dress is hideous. I’d rather wear Diana’s dress, and you know how much I hate Diana’s dress.
Bluhare, which Sarah? I thought Sarah Chatto’s whole wedding outfit and attendants were wonderful.
I thought Sarah F looked great on her wedding day too. The puffy sleeves and shoulder bows I’m not crazy about, but the “A” and anchor train, bee embroidery, and overall flattering shape were winners.
Mabel’s bows were, well, something. If she’d stuck with just the little bows in the crosshatch pattern on the bodice, I would have loved that dress. Her husband passed away at 44, after lingering in a coma for 18 months after a skiing accident.
The sweet thing was, the dress Mabel wore to her husband’s memorial service? It was made by the same designers. It featured one giant white bow on one of the sleeves, as an homage to the wedding dress.
I meant Ferguson. I thought her dress was marginally better than Diana’s le Petit Trianon shepherdess dress. 🙂
FLORC, did you see Mxima’s gown? So lovely and unusual!!
Maxima’s veil was also gorgeous.
Everyone
Maxima’s veil and train were STUNNING! Mabel’s gown is the stuff of nightmares. The bows tug at the fabric. The neckline looks poorly tailored. And it overall reminds me of a comforter on a bed with the box/cross stitch pattern. Just yuck.
But it was her gown and I hate talking poorly of others weddings. That’s why I eloped. There will always be someone who wants to talk poorly about you and you’re throwing them a paid for party. Don’t give them reasons to mock.
And Diana’s dress. She really went out for the 80’s fluffy, Disney princess style. If that’s the style she wanted she sure picked a good one.
Believe it or not, Lindka Cierach was the designer who designed Fergie’s wedding dress: http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20094265,00.html
Honestly, I wonder if this was the reason Carole Middleton wanted to show friends the dress at home, rather than any nefarious motive? If you were concerned that the finish wasn’t right, you might want a second opinion privately.
Her hem in these photos looks like it wasn’t ironed and poorly sewn. It’s not smooth and looks puckered. I bet if she had made nice with the Cierach, her outfit would have looked professionally done.
So this is where Kate gets the thing for badly altered designer clothes (the dodgy hem/alteration done on an Alexander McQueen dress coat – it was grey I think – maybe they are using the same cheap seamstress or doing it themselves.
First thing I noticed. Her hem is a mess, like a dress from Target.
I thought Carole looked very uninteresting from a fashion standpoint at the wedding, that ensemble was very aging with the braided embellishments and I am not a fan of baby blue. It certainly had the Catherine Walker signature, though. (Not a fan of Catherine Walker at all). LOL at the hem. Good god, you’d think a noted designer could at least do some pressing.
Maybe the hem was meant to look that way ie kind of ruffled bouffant?
Cierach only closed her studio a couple of days ago. As you might be able to tell by the two royal heirs, the Cambridges have been married awhile. I am not seeing cause and effect here.
If a single “difficult” client causes you to shut down your business, then you have been looking for an excuse to shut down your business for entirely different reasons. Clients are often “difficult” because they don’t understand the process, as seems to be the case here. Part of our job is to keep explaining why we can’t accommodate every request. And clients are indeed free to change their minds and cancel the job for any reason, which is why we establish kill fees to compensate for time and materials used up to the point of cancellation. If the designer didn’t have a kill fee in place or didn’t require a non-refundable deposit or payment in advance for such a long-term one-of-a-kind design project, it’s a wonder she stayed in business this long. Really, this is a non-story and reflects badly on the designer, not on the client.
My guess is that either the designer or someone on her staff was less than diplomatic in dealing with the mother of the bride’s request. If a client feels disrespected, i don’t blame them for deciding to take their business elsewhere. That’s what I would do myself. You have to be careful how you deal with a client when you have to say “no” to something they want you to do. Recoiling in horror or rolling in the floor laughing are not acceptable responses outside of your head ….
She’s not claiming the dispute with CM brought on her career change. The DM writer is the one trying to draw a direct link. It’s all about the spin and number of clicks with that tabloid. See the quote above: ” ‘That’s a part of my life that’s been and done,’ Lindka tells me when asked about the dispute with the Duchess of Cambridge’s mother.”