Kelly Rutherford’s ex Daniel Giersch’s lawyer: ‘Child abduction is a crime’

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Late on Friday, actress Kelly Rutherford refused to send her two children back to Monaco as scheduled and as is stipulated under court order in her custody case. Her two children, Hermes, 8, and Helena, 6, have lived in Monaco with their father and grandparents since 2012, when a California court made the decision to allow the children to relocate or risk not having a relationship with their father. (In the custody ruling, the judge referenced the fact that Kelly’s lawyer got Daniel deported.)

Multiple US courts have ruled that they no longer have jurisdiction or cannot exert jurisdiction over this case. This case was also rejected at the federal level and is expected to be taken over by Monaco following a scheduled hearing in September. In an arrogant, self-serving and incredibly tone deaf statement defending her actions, Kelly claimed that she should be able to keep the kids with her despite all the court rulings otherwise. Here’s Kelly’s statement:

These past three years waiting for my children to come home have been very difficult. My children were forced to leave the United states in 2012 when they were only 2 and 5 years old. In May, a judge in California gave me sole custody and brought them home. I am immensely grateful and overjoyed to have them back. Since May, however, the court proceedings have been confusing.

My ex-husband recently filed for sole custody in Monaco after causing my children to be declared ‘habitual residents’ there, even though he agreed with California in 2012 that the children’s time in France and Monaco would be temporary, and that the children would retain exclusive citizenship and residency in the United States. I trusted my ex-husband’s agreement, and cannot now send them away in light of the legal actions taken in Monaco in violation of that agreement by my ex-husband.

The Monaco court treated me with respect when I appeared there earlier this year to file a formal objection to their jurisdiction. I believe Monaco appreciates why it cannot assert jurisdiction over my children, and that Monaco will respect my children’s right to reside in their own country. I pray that officials in this country and in Monaco will agree that three years in exile is a very long time in a child’s life, and that my children have a right to remain, once and for all, in the United States.

[From US Magazine]

So Kelly claims that she can ignore all the court rulings because they were “confusing” the minute they were no longer in her favor. She’s also trying to claim that Monaco shouldn’t have jurisdiction over her case and that having Monaco exert jurisdiction would be in “violation” of the agreement she had with her ex. Nevermind all the legal wrangling that led to this, none of that matters because she claims that her ex is violating the original agreement, and she’s the only one who can enforce it.

In the original 2012 custody ruling, the judge stated that she wasn’t overly concerned that a French court might gain jurisdiction over this case:

Even if the French Court were to take up the case if Daniel violated this Court’s orders and sought to change the order and judgment, there is no evidence under the facts and rulings in this case that the French Court would not enforce this U.S. order or judgment since there is nothing in this order that would violate the stated public policy of French law which promotes the best interests of the children and the “paramount concern” that “both parents have access to the child and that the relationship between the child and each parent is respected.”

[From PDF of court ruling on E!]

It’s incredibly narcissistic and horrible that Kelly has kidnapped her children, but this could be the way that Daniel obtains sole custody. She’s shown repeatedly that she will never willingly coparent and that she does not have her children’s best interests at heart. She wants to win and her children are pawns in this game she’s playing. It’s hard to see how any judge would find in Kelly’s favor now that she’s kidnapped her own kids.

In a statement to E! Online, Daniel’s lawyer pointed out that Kelly has abducted the children:

Daniel will continue to protect the children from any harm and any media exposure. Unfortunately Kelly has now added child abduction to extortion and false statements on her list of actions. Daniel will make sure that the children’s safety and well being will be restored as soon as possible. He is very concerned about the traumatic impact that Kelly’s behavior will have on the children. Kelly was to have delivered the children in France to their father on August 7, 2015. Child abduction is a crime, and everyone involved in kidnapping or abducting the children will face the appropriate legal consequences. Anyone associating themselves with Kelly and her abduction is violating the law.

[From E! Online]

That was super reserved, but this guy has known his ex is batsh*t for years and he’s still facilitated a relationship between her and their kids. I don’t think she deserves much more than carefully supervised visits at this point, if that. I’m just really worried that she’ll go underground or try to leave the country with them. Remember how she refused to hand over their passports and made a big stink about it? Is this going to turn into an Elian Gonzales rescue situation and traumatize these poor kids even further? Federal agents should just hang out at swag suites in the Hamptons and wait for a woman and two kids dressed all in white to show up. I jest, but I hope this gets resolved with little impact on the children. I hope she doesn’t pull any more moves that will further jeopardize her children’s mental health and safety. This must be scary and so unsettling for them.

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  1. lisa2 says:

    She is going to lose her kids and perhaps go to jail. So dumb.. so dumb.

    She would have made a perfect Amy (Gone Girl)

    • Zapp Brannigan says:

      Maybe time in jail will bring her to her senses, but probably not. She hates her ex more than she loves those children. I feel so sorry for them, they must be scared and very confused right now.

    • tracking says:

      Perfect Amy, except she’s not at all smart. I think she actually believes the American half of her kids negates the other half. She’s both nuts and a horrible person.

    • Joss RED says:

      Really don’t want to sound insensitive or worse, but every time I read a new chapter of this saga, I can’t help thinking that she might kill her kids and then kill herself. I’ve seen that several times before, and she – or the situation – is going on that path.

      • Suzy from Ontario says:

        I’m with you. She scares me. She is unstable and completely without reason. It’s all about getting her way. Everyone saw this coming…her not sending the kids back. I feel bad for her ex because he has tried to work with her and she just refuses to even try to work things out for the kids. And then to see her parading them on the red carpet at events like they are accessories that she can show off…look, I won! If she really cared about those kids she would spending time with them and not putting their faces in the media, badmouthing their other parent and putting them in the middle. They have a life in Monoco. They have school and friends. She doesn’t care about their feelings. I am sick of her. I don’t know what’s going to happen but I hope it gets resolved quickly for the childrens’ sake.

      • toni says:

        There’s a story of a woman who killed the social worker who removed her child.
        http://www.people.com/article/Jody-Herring-Charged-Shooting-Social-Worker-Suspect-3-Others

      • Whitney says:

        I was thinking this too. She strikes me as really unstable. The way she acts, it’s almost like she sees those kids as objects instead of people. I sincerely hope she comes to her senses (not likely) or they can get the kids away from her soon.

      • Janie says:

        I agree with you. This woman is unraveling in front of our eyes and these kids. I can’t imagine how terrified their dad must be, I’d be in a panic. He can’t come to the U.S. to even check on them. I don’t think she’ll show up in court with her kids. I just pray they stay safe until they are reunited with their dad.

      • Aly says:

        I agree completely.

        I have been reading about this all day – not just the gossip/news sites and their comments, but the actual legal documents. They clearly state that the son exhibits anxiety and distress when removed from the father (in 2012!). Can you imagine what they BOTH must be thinking from this Friday on? Unless Kelly is keeping these children away from everyone they have been able to contact in NYC/Monaco, they must be aware of the situation. Children are whip smart these days and you can bet $$ that they are not in contact with their father, grandmother or friends in Monaco. They must be so confused and scared.
        Can you imagine the insanity that will ensue tomorrow if/when she shows up to court with those children as she has been ordered to do? Can you imagine the insanity she must be filling them with if she doesn’t?!
        She is sick and needs mental help. It is sad but everyone needs to stop pretending that she is “doing what is just for her children, in her mind” because that is exactly it – her mind is not right!

        I pray that these children are returned safely to their father.

      • ERM says:

        I have said this since the beginning. I can absolutely see her killing her children because she is so selfish and if she can’t have them then no one should – that is the shared characteristic of all of those POS murderers. I don’t see her killing herself though because she is too in love with herself. If he gets them back then he needs to hire 24/7 security to monitor her.

    • funcakes says:

      Jail will only make her go full on Roxie Hart.

      • o_o_odesa says:

        Lol I love this

      • K says:

        “He had it coming, he had it coming
        He only had himself to blame
        If you’d have been there, if you’d have seen it
        I betcha you would have done the same”

        Pretty much her entire statement, right there.

    • Lady D says:

      TMZ is reporting that Kelly has been ordered to court tomorrow morning and she is to bring the children.
      Apologies if this is mentioned elsewhere.

      • notasugarhere says:

        I guess we’ll see what tomorrow brings. Hope he had PIs tailing her and the kids, in case she refuses to show or doesn’t bring them.

      • Izzy says:

        Oh, I hope the judge bitchslaps her with the gavel, tight begore he or she orders the bailiff to take the choldren and hand them directly over to Giersch’s attorneys to be put on the next flight to Monaco.

        And then I hope her stupid, narcissistic, crazy ass gets thrown in jail.

        Mind you, that is assuming she shows up.

        Are we taking bets on whether she attempts to flee with them?

      • notasugarhere says:

        Or are we taking bets that she’ll 1) fail to show or 2) show up without the kids and be held in contempt of court and go to jail rather than reveal their whereabouts?

    • Pinky says:

      She’s been ordered to appear in court in NYC tomorrow with the children.

    • Sarah says:

      She couldn’t play Amy because that requires acting.

    • linny says:

      Those kids look super happy to be with their Mom, Can’t believe all these ugly comments. The Father is the rotten one here and I hope she wins full custody!

  2. Lucy2 says:

    Wasn’t she recently saying she was afraid her ex-husband was not going to return the kids to her? And now lo and behold she has done the very same thing. It is kidnapping, and I think the laws must be enforced here.
    Also I thought she claims she was completely broke from all this legal stuff? Not many broke people I know spend the summer in the Hamptons.

    • Norman Bates' Mother says:

      It’s not a hypocrisy in her mind because she doesn’t see herself and Daniel as equals. In her mind – mother’s rights trump father’s right’s and American citizenship trumps a German one. She was very clear about that since Helena’s birth, when she didn’t want to write Daniel’s name on her birth certificate. If you were to point out your very logical argument to her face, she would dismiss it and angrily reply that she as a mother and an American citizen has the right to keep the children, while Daniel – a mere sperm-donor and European at that, has not.

      • Don't kill me I'm French says:

        Yep

      • Robin says:

        I think you summed it up absolutely perfectly.

      • gal says:

        By the way everyone. Since 2013 he does NOT pay for her travel.

        The arrangement in monaco was temporary until he reapplied for a visa to visit his kids here. Why he cant travel on a passport as she does is part of his lies. She was granted primary custody. After 4 years he has made no move to reapply for a visa as ordered and then moved to get sole custody.

        So he’s a liar, violated court orders to deal with his travel issues and took a temporary arrangement and ran it to 4 years so he could try to establish the kids solely in monaco.

        The kids are german/american, not monaco. And the original agreement was for her to get primary custody and then he ran to monaco and claimed he could not travel, hence the 4 year temporary arrangement that he never made a move to fix.

      • L says:

        She was granted primary custody for 3 days (after she shopped a deal to the best judge) if you google the 2015 report-they went back to 50/50 custody with him holding primary custody after that. She was never granted long term primary custody before he left for Europe.

        Again, if you read the court orders-she was supposed to write a letter stating how she got him deported so he could reapply for a visa. Which she hasn’t done. (and then she cries about him not applying for the visa.)

        He applied for sole legal custody after she put out a interview asking someone to kidnap the kids.

        She’s a liar and a kidnapper, and she’s going to lose.

      • NUTBALLS says:

        gal, care to reference your contradictory statements with links to court orders that back up your claims??

      • Jessiebes says:

        Gal you mentioned this yesterday too, and were proven wrong then too.

      • notasugarhere says:

        gal, no matter how many times you type it, it doesn’t make it fact. She has to do the first step of the process in regaining his visa. He cannot do that first step, she has to. He had the document ready for her to sign at court and she refused. She is the reason he lost his visa to begin with, and she is still the reason why he cannot reapply for it now.

      • Bridget says:

        If someone’s visa is revoked they don’t exactly get to just come and visit the US – it’s a pretty big deal. It doesn’t matter if he still has a valid German passport.

      • anne_000 says:

        @ gal

        Monaco is listed in the 2012 custody order which you can read here:

        harris-ginsberg.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Statement-of-Decision.pdf

    • bluhare says:

      I’ve wondered if the new boyfriend will help them get out of the country. He works for Gucci, doesn’t he? Will be interesting if she takes the kids out of the US after this because (a) they’re american citizens who should live in their own country!, and (b) she couldn’t move to live with them while he had them in Monaco.

      If she does, that will be really really bad. I could see it though.

      • notasugarhere says:

        There is a person on the DM insisting something about The Bahamas. That in one of these decisions several years ago, Rutherford agreed to joint physical custody if they lived in the Bahamas. That is the first I’ve heard of The Bahamas in any of this. Would she try to take them there?

      • funcakes says:

        @Notasugarhere
        I read all the comments also. There are a lot of people from over there that are…. ..over enthusiastic. I have no idea if they are right or not, but the ones that seems knowledgeable about the law are lost in the mix of the not so knowledgeable.

      • notasugarhere says:

        There’s a new person on the People article trying to convince everyone that Giersch is abusive and controlling, his mother denied Rutherford the ability to be a mother to her own children, loads of it. I hope they’re posters being paid by bankrupt Kelly, not people who have been taken in by her.

      • anne_000 says:

        @ notasugarhere

        The Bahamas is mentioned in the 2012 court document.

        The judge ruled against it because it would not be good or stable for the kids to live in a hotel in the Bahamas.

        I think it was based on an offer (probably by Kelly) that if the kids stayed there, then the parents can go visit them without Kelly having to travel to Monaco. I guess the Bahamas would be closer to the US than Monaco.

        I don’t know much more about it. It might be mentioned previous to the section I saw or it might in one of the plans that Kelly (?) offered to the court at the time.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Thanks, anne_000. What a strange offer. Make her travel time much shorter, but require the husband to travel to see the kids. And not really have either parent or the kids have a settled life.

  3. Birdix says:

    It’s baffling that she can’t see the long-term implications of this decision. She’s won a battle that will cause her to lose the war.

    • LB says:

      I say this as a lawyer – I don’t understand how any lawyer could have advised her that this was the right action to take at this point; she could end up losing all custodial rights for disobeying the order, whereas by complying, perhaps the courts in Monaco would have considered her position.

      But then again, I would have never considered making false accusations of terrorism to ensure sole custody, like her lawyer did.

      I think the American public is with her because they haven’t read all the court documents but I hope the authorities do what’s right and charge her appropriately and return the kids to their father.

      • Luca76 says:

        Actually I think to a point the tide has turned on her. At least from comments on sites on People and Us Weekly. What’s particularly damning is the court records.

      • jessiebes says:

        Agreed Luca76. The court records speak for themselves.

      • Sarah says:

        @ LB : I would never believe her lawyer advised her to do this. I had clients like this – they believed what they wanted to believe and they walked out of the office believing the court would side with them. In short, it doesn’t matter what any lawyer says to someone like her – she won’t listen.

      • LB says:

        You’re probably right, Sarah. But he was involved in the false accusation, basically threatening the father to sign over rights or they would report him to the Department of State. I can’t abide by that extortion.

      • notasugarhere says:

        There continue to be strong supporters for her on main gossip sites, like People and the Daily Mail. Supporters of her actions keep showing up here too. 100,000 signed the White House petition. While many of us agree she’s in the wrong, there are people who believe Rutherford has done the right thing.

      • claire says:

        Is that lawyer still around? It seems like she’s had so many I wasn’t even sure if that one was still involved.

      • Audrey says:

        Her lawyer needs to be disbarred(quote from people), she’s nuts:
        Wendy Murphy, Rutherford’s attorney, tells PEOPLE that Giersch should “do the right thing” and “protect the children from the trauma of needless litigation. 

        “It’s curious that the children’s father would make cruel threats and derogatory remarks rather than refusing to respond to the very simple statement we recently released last week explaining why the children are entitled to reside in their own country,” Murphy says in a statement. “Mr. Giersch made an agreement with Kelly and the American courts in 2012 that the children would live abroad with him only temporarily while he resolved his U.S. work visa issues. He did nothing to address his visa problems, and three years is exceedingly not temporary.” 

        “Instead of complying with his 2012 agreement, Giersch filed for sole custody in Monaco at the end of 2014 (no decision yet.) He also refused to let Kelly see the children when she flew to Monaco for a visit this year unless she surrendered the children’s U.S. passports, which no court had ordered her to do,” Murphy adds. “Mr. Giersch purports to be interested in co-parenting but his actions belie a different agenda.”

      • funcakes says:

        I’m sure you have ethics. Obviously she went to a lawyer willing to tell her anything she wanted as long as she pays the bill.
        Maybe she does have council that gave her sound, rational advice. But when your client continually set up press conferences undermining your advice, what are you to do?

      • Rene Bessette says:

        I used to work at Child Find, it is so sad to watch the moms come in and try to find their children. I fully agree with what the lawyer said. I hope the father sends someone fast to try and pick them up as it is not unlikely she will try to flee. She is totally not thinking about the children’s rights, they have had a secure, stable environment. She has something mentally wrong with her, I hope the children stay safe.

      • Miss M says:

        LB, my friend’s former lawyer advises her to kidnap her child because her ex was rich and she was going to lose it… Since she has common sense, she fired the lawyer instead…

  4. Snazzy says:

    Those poor poor children

    • Kattttt says:

      I know, I feel so sorry for them. One can only hope they’re not really aware that this is going on but, judging by the way she behaves in the press and on social media, I don’t hold out hope for that.

      • lucy2 says:

        They’re probably also expecting to go back home and go to school soon, and have to be questioning why that isn’t happening.

      • Suzy from Ontario says:

        Plus I can’t believe that she isn’t badmouthing their father and trying to maniuplate their feelings about him and Monoco and how they would be so happy living with her if it wasn’t for their evil Daddy. And look at all the wonderful things in the USA like that puppy…but of course if they go back to Daddy the puppy can’t go… stuff like that. Could totally see it. She is all about herself and getting her way and despite statements to the contrary, I don’t think she considers the kids’ feelings at all. In fact, I never hear her talk about how the kids might feel going through all of this or having their lives disrupted. She doesn’t care. They are objects that belong to her, in her mind, and she wants them. Period. And if she can hurt her ex in the process and cut him out of their lives, she’s all for it. I don’t think she even thinks about the fact that they obviously love him and that he’s a good Dad and they have a life and history with him. He’s their parent and he deserves to be in their lives.

      • anne_000 says:

        @ Suzy from Ontario

        I agree that if she did indeed get them a puppy to make them want to stay, then that’s despicable.

        If that is what she did, then did she intend for some time not to return them this summer, like she tried to do last summer, but this time a new puppy may be involved?

        Poor kids and poor puppy. They’re the ones that will be hurt in the long run.

    • jessiebes says:

      I hope they at least got to talk to their dad on the phone or Skype this weekend.

      • BearcatLawyer says:

        Not a chance in hell. If she is in hiding with these kids, there is no way she would let them talk to him. Too easy to trace their whereabouts. Those poor children.

    • Lara K says:

      Also is it just me or dont they look tired and miserable in every photo with her?

      • Zapp Brannigan says:

        It seems like she has to pull her son closer to her in those photos, but he could be just at that age that he is “eww No!” to affection in public from a parent. Just feel so sorry for those kids. This whole thing is a clusterfudge.

      • K says:

        In the non-staged pap shots from Thursday, she is walking ahead checking her phone, her son is behind her on a segway, and her daughter is well in the rear, in the arms of a nanny. She’s utterly oblivious to them and walking ahead. Nothing wrong with that as a snapshot moment – all of us have moments when we zone out – but this was supposed to be the last night meal with them, or at least the last legal night, and she’s lived in a different country to them for several years. I can’t imagine being that disengaged from mine on a birthday, let alone in this situation. And no shade for wanting a nanny, but again, on a last night? Carrying the little one and keeping tabs on the kids while you stride ahead? I can’t really understand that, when you compare with her endless tenderly solicitous moments when she’s aware of the pap attention.

        She sees them as possessions, I think.

      • Michelle says:

        @K— She knew it wouldn’t be her last night with them, so business as usual.

  5. Sullivan says:

    Her hubris will cost her the children.

  6. Chinoiserie says:

    I feel she has been planning this since May. She hoped she could get the sole custody but was planning to keep them regardless.

    • anne_000 says:

      @ Chinoiserie

      She tried to keep them from going home last summer too.

      His lawyer and the court had to get involved.

      I think it’s really sad for Daniel. Every year, he complies and sends the kids to the US and it seems that every year, Kelly pulls yet another stunt.

      Every time Daniel sends the kids to Kelly, it’s like it’s a gamble on whether he’ll ever get to see the kids again. If I were him, I’d be having a nervous breakdown the start of every summer vacation.

  7. Lilacflowers says:

    Can we deport this jingoistic criminal to Mars?

  8. Sabrine says:

    I do think it sad a mother is not allowed to be with her children on a daily basis. However, if she just waited a few years longer, the children would legally be allowed to make their own decision as to which parent they want to live with, not ideal but it’s her only option. This current move of hers is not going to get her anywhere and it’s going to cause more heart ache than there is now. She may have gotten some bad legal advice to think she could succeed with this, not likely since this decision was made by the courts initially.

    • Lena says:

      She is allowed to be with her children on a daily basis. She would just have to move to Monaco. The court wanted the children to be close to both parents and since her ex can’t enter the U.S., the kids have to live with him in order to do that. But she could move to be with them.

    • LAK says:

      Yesterday I fell down the rabbit hole of people.com’s comment section and found someone had posted a link to radaronline (it was that deep a hole!) where they’ve posted some of the court docs from last year’s federal court submission by Kelly.

      In those docs, she straight out tells the court that if they don’t give her the children, she will abduct them and it will be the court’s fault for any ensuing trauma. In that submission, she doesn’t present any argument as to why the court should give them to her except that she’s the mother and if the court doesn’t comply, she intends to kidnap them. She still had (good) legal presentation at that point, so I guess she was talked down from the ledge.

      However, I think that is when Daniel started taking steps to ensure she didn’t kidnap the kids, going to court to tighten loopholes etc, insisting she hands over passports. Especially when she followed that up with a call to arms to kidnap her american citizen children from Monaco.

      I couldn’t believe what I was reading in her own the court submission to a federal court. She’s merely carrying out what she threatened last year, only she’s using the lack of US jurisdiction as her excuse.

    • Ben says:

      She created this entire mess in the first place when she had her ex deported and had his visa revoked.

      She’s a psycho. I wouldn’t be surprised if she does do a murder suicide and kills them so they can’t be separated.

      • funcakes says:

        The fact that all the husband has to is nothing but let her self destruct is disturbing to say the least.

    • Jen says:

      I also think it’s sad for a father to not be with his children on a daily basis.

      • lisa says:

        thank you

        just because someone was born with a uterus doesnt automatically make them nurturing or altruistic

  9. Tiffany says:

    What I don’t understand is how in the custody agreement the script is flipped and summers and 6 visits a year goes to Daniel.

    Oh, is it because Kelly and her attorney’s had a hand it making if difficult for him the enter the U.S. legally. Yeah, that makes a difference.

    If an outsider can figure that out, just how truly tone deaf is Kelly not to.

    SMH.

    • gogirl says:

      I was curious, too, but I did manage to skim a lot of the court docs. The judge was VERY aware that she was trying to alienate the father. Joint custody was granted. The judge was aware that she had him deported. Custody was given to the parent who would not alienate the other.

      It also seems she lied about her job. She claimed she had tons of free timeand her schedule was fairly open when she wanted full custody. Then after the new custody agreement was fied, she clamed her work schedule was too busy. The judge saw right through her manipulations and gave custody to the seemingly sane and straightforward parent.

    • Don't kill me I'm French says:

      The justice decision of 2013 October http://harris-ginsberg.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Statement-of-Decision.pdf that explains all

      • pleaseicu says:

        She’s on her third set of attorneys?!? And that was back in 2013. So three sets of attorneys in 3 years. That is a woman who only wants to hear that she’s right and can get her way and will fire anyone who can’t get her what she wants.

  10. Belle Epoch says:

    She just tipped her hand completely. Now there is no doubt she is lawless and has total disregard for anyone else, including her children, who must be very mixed up. I hope the courts act in this swiftly. Who has the children’s passports?

    PS How much is all this nonsense costing her? She could have bought a palace in Monaco by now!

  11. NewWester says:

    What Kelly fails to see is that she will eventually end up alone and estranged from her children if she does not smarten up. Daniel may get sole custody and then Kelly may get reduced visitation most likely with supervision( not to mention she may have to start paying for the flights to Europe herself) . Also the children may enjoy spending time with their father and really start to resent having any contact with her.
    Kelly should look in the mirror and ask herself this: ” Is jeopardizing my relationship with my children really worth all of this?

    • sauvage says:

      This isn’t about her relationship with her children. Kelly is a severe narcissist. For her, it’s all about “winning”. What’s good for her is supposed to be good for everyone.

    • K says:

      I don’t see any way she can have anything but supervised, from now on. How can anyone take the risk of her absconding, otherwise?

      • Lucky Charm says:

        That reminds me of the Josh Powell case, the man accused of killing his wife in Utah. A few years ago near Seattle, a man killed his kids and himself in front of the case worker assigned to his supervised visits. The two little boys were standing in front of her, and when he opened the door he grabbed the boys and pushed them inside then locked the door. The poor woman ran back to her car to call her supervisor when the house blew up. He knew when they were coming and had soaked everything inside in gasoline.

  12. Ronda says:

    Send the Marines, Kelly!

  13. Freddy Spaghetti says:

    I can’t believe she kidnapped her kids! I also can’t believe she thinks this will work for her. At this point, she’ll (at best) be allowed supervised visits, but my guess is she will end up loosing her kids and possibly get jail time.

    Those poor kids.

  14. Sixer says:

    Thank you for the multiple links to the custody judgement, Celebitchy – which I will point out is identical to the judgement that the Monaco court is using, since it’s a simple mirror order.

    Perhaps this will stop all the sealioning that’s been going on here, forcing commenters to evidence over and over again how Kelly lost primary residency and that she hasn’t lost custody.

    (Although, she may well be about to lose custody, since she’s gone into international child abduction territory).

  15. Chichi says:

    Honestly, these two just need to figure out a better arrangement. I agree shes.messed up big time, more than once actually. But I also dont think shes a real danger to those kids. Shes just an over indulged woman driven to frustration. Children need their parents, both of them. I can see why a situation that was supposed to be temporary, now seeming like its permanent (especially if he has filed for sole custody) would drive a mother batsh*t. If he is indeed focussed on just the kids, I would say dont file criminal charges, THATS guaranteed to mess those babies up for life. Play this as an extended vacation, in the meantime get into mediation. They need an arrangement they can both own.

    • LB says:

      I’m failing to see any arrangement that will satisfy her other than sole custody, which she will never get at this point.

      He’s done everything possible to ensure she gets to spend time with the children. He’s offered to buy her an apartment, pay for her travel and expenses, etc. He sets up video chats for the kids with her (she doesn’t when the kids are with her), he runs important decisions by her. And she’s welcome in his country any time because he hasn’t falsely accused her of being a terrorist in Monaco. If she can’t be okay with that, I don’t see what’s left here to discuss.

      This is her own doing. I don’t blame him if he presses charges.

      • gal says:

        By the way. Since 2013 he does NOT pay for her travel. See the 2013 docs online. There are no official offers to buy her an apartment.

        The arrangement in monaco was temporary until he reapplied for a visa to visit his kids here. Why he cant travel on a passport as she does is part of his lies. She was granted primary custody. After 4 years he has made no move to reapply for a visa as ordered and then moved to get sole custody.

        So he’s a liar, violated court orders to deal with his travel issues and took a temporary arrangement and ran it to 4 years so he could try to establish the kids solely in monaco.

        The kids are german/american, not monaco. And the original agreement was for her to get primary custody and then he ran to monaco and claimed he could not travel, hence the 4 year temporary arrangement that he never made a move to fix.

      • Izzy says:

        Yes, “gal,” keep on telling yourself that. How much is Kelly paying you to parrot that garbage? The court documents speak for themselves.

      • K says:

        gal, Germany is in the European Union. Your point is akin to saying Kelly has no right to move state in the USA.

        You need to read all the court documents, and think about which parent was trying to remove the children from the other’s life, over and over, and still is. Which parent flouts court orders, and still is.

        I honestly don’t understand how anyone can support this woman. She is abusing her own children at this point. No ifs, buts or ands.

    • cr says:

      Driven to frustration? No, she drove herself to frustration, this is her doing. She could have had a quiet divorce, custody, etc., and she chose to keep trying to force her ex out of their children’s lives.
      I don’t think she should not see her children, but she’s such a narcissist, and it seems to be getting worse, that she should probably have limited contact.
      You need both parents, but it would help if both parents put the children first. She’s the one not doing that.

    • Jen43 says:

      I can’t help but feel bad for everyone involved. I also can’t help but wonder what is motivating tnese parents. Is it their love and concern for the children or a strong desire to ‘win’ the custody fight. Personally, I would stop at nothing to keep my children, so I just feel bad for everyone.

      • kai says:

        You would stop, at the point where you’re hurting your children.

      • K says:

        She could have kept her children if she’d been willing to allow them to keep their father. That is what caused all of this. It still is.

        Trying to deprive a child of one of their parents without any reason at all other than spite makes the person doing that abusive.

    • GoodNamesAllTaken says:

      Throughout this entire clusterf@ck, he has been dignified, low-profile and mostly silent, obeying the court orders and behaving in a way that puts the children first. She has been loud, self-pitying, entitled, dishonest, vengeful and sleazy, dragging her children around dressed in costume for the cameras, traumatizing them to the most extreme extent she can, I’m sure crying to them how awful their father is and how horrible it is that they have to live with him. It is HER fault that her ex can’t come back to the U.S. That’s why he had primary custody. She could have used the money she has spent for publicity and lawyers to rent a condo in Monaco and she could see her children on a regular basis. But that’s not what she wants. She wants to win, no matter what cost to them. He’s their father, and he deserves to spend time with them, but she lied so he couldn’t. I have no patience or sympathy with her any more, and I don’t think she gives two cents for those kids except as trophies for her victory. Giving birth doesn’t make you a mother except in the most literal sense. She has been a terrible, selfish mother and has shown complete disregard for their well- being, not to mention the law, and I hope she loses custody of those kids permanently. For their sake.

    • notasugarhere says:

      She claims he filed for sole custody, but is there any proof of that? It could be that she is twisting the words of a court order again.

    • Boo says:

      “But I also dont think shes a real danger to those kids.” …. @Chichi I’ve taken the time to read the attached court documents finally. Until today I hadn’t read them. The court – the American court – went into great detail and explicitly stated in the documents on more than one occasion that her son Hermes experiences great anxiety when away from his father and Hermes self-identifies most with his father.

      What Kelly has done now, and as stated in the court documents regarding her earlier obfuscations to the court, has in fact for real put her children’s health, well being, sense of safety, ability to trust and mental health at risk and possibly permanently damaged it at least for Hermes.

      This woman is crazy, self absorbed and a horrible parent to do what she has now done. She does not deserve any custody of these kids and I hope she loses all of it. Visitation, SUPERVISED, I might be ok with but not custody ever again.

      • Izzy says:

        Not to mention that ABDUCTING your children is endangering them, period. I don’t care how good a life they’re living in the Hamptons at the moment. She’s committed a crime with them at the center of it.

    • The Eternal Side-Eye says:

      No. Whenever it’s a woman doing something horrible there’s always a few commenters that will defend her till the end and make excuses as to why she should still be given her way.

      They had a current custody agreement and that agreement existed because a court decided it was what would be best for the children with her inability to compromise and put their needs first. She has officially refused to engage as a responsible and mature parent and instead done what makes her happy, which in turn is damaging to the children.

      She will likely lose her children for this and 100% deserve it.

  16. Talie says:

    Do you all really think the tiny, corrupt Monaco (a haven for shady rich people) has a court system that actually cares enough about this to do something? The jurisdiction on this case has always been messed up.

    • BearcatLawyer says:

      Monaco can assert personal jurisdiction over 3/4 of the parties in this case since Daniel and the children habitually reside there and have more than sufficient minimum contacts with the principality. Plus Mr. Giersch wisely obtained a mirror order of the original CA custody order in Monaco.

      The alleged sole custody order Kelly obtained in CA over the Memorial Day holiday was a temporary, ex parte order that was ultimately rescinded, if I remember correctly. Kelly seems to be relying on this order and arguing that since neither CA nor NY have continuing jurisdiction in this case, she does not need to follow the terms of the original CA custody order or its mirror in Monaco.

      Any competent attorney would tell her she is full of it. Just because a court relinquishes continuing jurisdiction over a matter does not mean she can ignore its prior orders that remain in effect, much less steamroll over valid orders of a court that were made when it actually had jurisdiction. The Monaco court had personal jurisdiction over the kids when it issued its mirror order as they were physically present and habitually residing there. Merely because the Monaco court has not formally ruled on assuming continuing jurisdiction over custody does not mean she can flout its mirror order already in place.

      The Monaco court may have treated her politely and respectfully when she appeared before them to file her objection, but after all the crap she has slung this summer about exile and abduction, she might be seeing the inside of a Monegasque jail soon. As well she should.

      I am so sick and tired of her shenanigans. She doesn’t know how good she has it. So many people have far worse situations with their exes and children.

      • Audrey says:

        This is going to take a long time to sort out though, isn’t it? I know international issues usually take quite a while due to red tape.

        Those poor kids are stuck in the middle, not able to go home and go to school

    • notasugarhere says:

      Monaco isn’t some secretive Middle Eastern potentate. Monaco has been trying very hard to improve its image. The Head of State, Prince Albert, is proudly half-American (being the son of Grace Kelly), and he cannot afford to do anything to upset the US.

      Monaco doesn’t need this international headache. I suspect Monaco and French courts will go to extreme lengths to make sure whatever is done is legal according to The Hague Convention, open and above-board. Rutherford is playing fast and loose with the law. The only way to win against her is to be impeccable in their legal dealings with her.

      The jurisdiction is messed up in part because Rutherford 1) chose to move out of California and 2) didn’t put in a mirror order in NYC like she was supposed to.

      • MelissaManifesto says:

        Middle Eastern Potentate? As if the Middle East is the only place where there is corruption…

      • notasugarhere says:

        She’s posting as if Monaco is one of the most corrupt place on the planet. My suggestion is, it is probably less corrupt than some of the shrouded-in-secrecy Middle Eastern monarchies. Monaco is not a place where you have to fear a child being removed from a mother’s custody automatically because she’s a woman. And yes, there is corruption anywhere.

      • LAK says:

        Nota: I think you’ll find that Prince Albert of Monaco is an AMERICAN CITIZEN with an AMERICAN MOTHER and has therefore been deported and exiled to Monaco and his citizenship rights trampled on.

        Why isn’t Homeland security, Obama, patriotic Americans rushing to kidnap Prince Albert of Monaco whose rights have clearly been violated?!

      • notasugarhere says:

        😉

      • LNG says:

        Best comment of the day LAK. I snorted.

        This woman is cray and she has just shot herself in the foot. However, what worries me is how slowly the wheels of justice often turn, even in emergency family law situations, particularly where one of the parties has money and wants to slow things down (or disappear). It is one of the most frustrating things to deal with as a lawyer. Hopefully those kids will be returned to their father before she can inflict any more serious damage to them.

      • Izzy says:

        #freeprincealbert !

      • kay says:

        izzy: free prince albert, with every box of limited edition corn flakes? lololololol…

      • K says:

        LAK, that’s properly brilliant.

    • Who ARE these people? says:

      As tax havens for shady rich people go, the USA more than holds it own.

      • morc says:

        Come on now, I’m sure people just love the culture in the Virgin Islands, Florida and Delaware.

      • Kori says:

        As a native Delawarean, yes we do. 🙂 It’s a great state. But, yes, it’s banking system makes Switzerland look completely transparent. I love seeing almost every other corporation incorporated in Delaware when their business is nowhere near the First State.

      • morc says:

        Kori, always wanted to see Delaware, it looks like a great state, unfortunately I’m always traveling on a tight budget.

    • H says:

      When I lived in Europe, I traveled to Monaco frequently for holidays. It’s a lovely place, but I never could afford to live there. Extremely expensive.

      Not trying to defend Kelly, but even if her ex bought her a condo, how could she pay to live there without a job? Not many acting roles in Monaco. Plus, since she’s not a citizen of the EU, would she have any legal standing to reside there long term? Heck, I would love to retire to southern France, but on a teacher’s retirement salary? Yeah, so not happening. If I couldn’t afford to live in Monaco, how could Kelly? I haven’t seen her act in anything substantial since Gossip Girl. Where’s her money coming from?

      My opinion, Kelly screwed herself when she got Daniel’s US visa revoked. She had a better chance of sole custody if she stayed within the US court system.

      • Samtha says:

        I agree that it’s not as easy as “just move to Monaco!” However, you can live in France for three months at a time without needing a residence permit. It would be much less expensive to live in some places there, near Monaco, than to live where she does in New York City. If she can support herself in NYC with the level of work she does now, she could support herself there.

        Plus, since she’s an actress, it doesn’t seem like it would be too complicated to live there in between jobs. Johnny Depp lived in France for years. Natalie Portman lives in Paris. (Granted, Kelly’s career isn’t in the same stratosphere as theirs.)

      • notasugarhere says:

        Sofia Coppola lives most of the time in France too, with her husband and their two daughters. If you’re willing to live in a village or out of main tourist areas, you can find affordable property if you’re used to paying LA and NYC prices.

      • morc says:

        She could commute from Nice.

      • lucy2 says:

        Yup, Nice is like half an hour or so away, isn’t it? And she could probably find an off season rental for while the kids are in school for cheaper than NYC, and then go back to the US with them in the summer. When she made a mess of everything, she certainly had options to be with her kids more. She just wants things her way only, but there’s a father involved so that never will, or should, happen.

      • notasugarhere says:

        I just checked a rental site. There are some efficiency apartments in downtown Nice for around $800/month.

      • Robin says:

        If she did move to France I suspect the custody agreement could be modified to divert some of the money Daniel would have spent on airfare six times a year, and redirect it to rent money for an apartment for Kelly. But that would require her to cooperate and be rational.

      • jwoolman says:

        Can you afford to live in The Hamptons? Can you afford her designer wardrobe? Could you afford the kazillions she’s wasted on legal bills to take her kids away from their dad? If “no” to all these questions – she’s got a lot more resources than you do… Actors are paid much much better than teachers, alas, and they don’t have to spend their entire paycheck while working. They expect long down times between roles.

        I’m sure she could afford to live in France. Plus their dad seems committed to keeping the kids in good contact with their crazy mother, so I doubt that he would be averse to helping her maintain a nearby residence for the kids’ sake.

    • The Eternal Side-Eye says:

      Knew there’d still be some defenders of her’s.

      Hopefully she doesn’t kill these kids before they can remove them from her.

  17. original kay says:

    I would want my children’s interests represented legally in the country where I lived. I do think it’s an injustice to the children that their rights are not being represented by both Monaco and US courts. If the children are citizens of both countries, then they should have representation provided by both countries.
    Why is Monaco suddenly where jurisdiction is? Kelly lives in NYC, at the very least it should have been transferred there.
    I would be panicking too. Yes, I know everything she did to this point, but I would be panicking too.

    Team kids.

    • Lena says:

      You can’t have two courts deciding, how would that work? Also, everything is a continuation from the very first court orders in the U.S. which gave them shared custody. She’s a narcissist moron with a shady lawyer, that’s all.

    • cr says:

      I don’t have any sympathy for her, not anymore, She did this to herself, so if she’s panicking it’s because she thought she was going to get away with keeping them, and it looks like that’s not going to happen.
      This is a mess of her own making.

    • LB says:

      A U.S. Court already had jurisdiction on this matter – they awarded joint custody and gave primary residential custody to the father. The jurisdiction follows the children. More likely than not, Monaco would have reinforced the California court’s order, having already had a mirror order filed there, even if the father filed for sole custody. Now with this stunt? They’re well within their rights to grant sole custody.

    • LAK says:

      The lack of US jurisdiction is completely Kelly’s fault. The CA court asked them to set up mirror orders wherever they were resident, which Daniel did in Monaco and Kelly didn’t do in NYC.

      Going by her latest statements, I conclude that as the mirror orders merely enforce the CA agreement, Kelly wouldn’t or couldn’t set up a NYC mirror order because she wants sole custody and to overturn the CA agreement completely and that includes no contact with Daniel forever or until the kids are adults and can choose for themselves.

      She’s so busy disobeying court orders that she’s missing the finer details that could have helped her and or brought back her children to live with her without all this drama and trauma.

      • LB says:

        Oh that’s a great point about why she didn’t filed the mirror order in NY. Yet again her own actions screw her over.

      • BearcatLawyer says:

        I wasn’t following the case as closely a few years ago, but I seem to recall that she didn’t seek a mirror order in NY because she tried to get the NY court to assume jurisdiction over the custody battle outright, claiming she was no longer resident in CA. If she had filed for a mirror order of the CA order in NY state court, she would effectively have been conceding to the jurisdiction of the CA family court. The NY family courts shut her down back then, mostly because the CA order indicated that its courts would retain jurisdiction no matter where she moved. And I believe the children had not spent any meaningful time residing in NY with her back then.

        I am still a bit confused as to why the CA family courts punted her case when the original order seemed to say they would keep jurisdiction even after the kids became habitual residents of Monaco. But not confused enough to bother researching the intricacies of continuing CA family court jurisdiction. I have real clients with real problems to represent today, tyvm!

      • original kay says:

        oh good to know!

      • notasugarhere says:

        CA may have gone with the assumption that as a Hollywood actress, Rutherford would return to CA soon. If they’re used to dealing with people in the entertainment industry who work away from home a lot, that might have factored in their decision.

      • anne_000 says:

        @ BearcatLawyer

        ‘I am still a bit confused as to why the CA family courts punted her case when the original order seemed to say they would keep jurisdiction even after the kids became habitual residents of Monaco.’

        I don’t know if this means anything, but from what I recall reading, the same judge that did the ex-parte in May was the one who gave up CA jurisdiction

      • Pinky says:

        @BearcatLawyer
        That is exactly what happened. She did try to have NYC take the case from CA back then because she didn’t live there, but CA refused to transfer it and said it would retain jurisdiction. But it hasn’t. And as much as everyone hates her and refuses to believe she has any credible arguments in her favor, I believe that is a major one and people’s heads are going to explode if she prevails on that (or any) point.

        I don’t agree with what she’s done and I think she was trying to outsmart her ex and preemptively abduct the kids before he “abducted” them from her; but I also think it is unwise to dismiss her every claim just because you don’t like her and because she’s a sociopath. Because then you won’t know how to defeat those claims.

        BTW, a few of my relatives are narcissists and sociopaths and they inevitably ruin families and do not think twice about sacrificing/destroying their own kids in order to “win” and prove they are better than their (ex) spouses in custody cases (never put your blind faith in the judicial system–it is incredibly flawed), divorces, and cases where inheritances are on the line (among many, many others).

      • Samtha says:

        @Pinky, one of my friends works in family law and said something similar–that Kelly’s exploiting loopholes and has more of a case than people think. My friend doesn’t believe Kelly can win, but she thinks Kelly has just enough of a legal basis to create a(nother) protracted battle for the kids.

        Disclaimer: my friend does not specialize in international law, so take that for what it’s worth.

      • anne_000 says:

        @ Pinky

        I think this is why the CA Court couldn’t waive jurisdiction at the time:

        It seems as if the kids were not living in NY as permanent residents at the time or ever.

        At the time of the ruling, the kids had been living with their dad in France/Monaco for over a year (page 38).

        Also, the Court and Dr. Aloia* found that Kelly had no real plans (including a backup plan) or any certainty in her work situation in NY at the time and that because of this, there wasn’t evidence that there would be stability and continuity for the kids if they went to live in NY with her as the residential parent. (Pages 14 – 17)

        Again, I think this is another proof that the kids hadn’t been permanent NY residents at the time or ever.

        Also, Kelly has been saying publicly that the reason why she lives in NY is to be closer to Monaco because of Daniel’s visa issues, which means it relates to the time period AFTER his visa was revoked. I take that to mean that her request to move jurisdiction to NY was not based on the kids ever having lived there as permanent residents.

        It’s in the court documents as well. It mentions Kelly’s request to relocate to New York “with the equal parenting time plan […]for the time when both parties could live in New York” being referred to as the “Return to New York Plan,” while “Kelly’s plan to relocate now to New York while Daniel’s Visa has not been restored will be referred to as the “Current New York Plan.” (page 12)

        See that word “now?” I take that to mean that she “NOW” ( or during the custody ruling) wants to move to NY ONLY AFTER Daniel’s visa was revoked and ONLY AFTER the kids had been living with him in Europe for more than a year. (pg 38)

        http://harris-ginsberg.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Statement-of-Decision.pdf

        * Dr. Aloia’s work in this case per request by the Court is on page 9.
        …………….

        If she didn’t put in a mirror order in NY, I think the reason may be that she thought she could do a ‘murphy’ and thereby consider the CA decision as never having existed. I think she thought she could start the hearing all over again from scratch and possibly leave out a whole lot of factors that weren’t in her favor.

      • Izzy says:

        Ok, so here is the one and ONLY point that I MIGHT be able to give in Kelly’s favor: I read the harris-ginsberg pdf, and could have sworn the decision said that DANIEL had to file the mirror order in NY. If so, and he didn’t, that’s on him.

        But it still is no excuse for her behavior, and if her lawyers had any smarts they would have done it themselves in order to strengthen their argument for jurisdiction in NY.

      • anne_000 says:

        @ Izzy

        That’s on page 37, starting on line 23.

        Daniel was ordered to register the Further Judgement with ‘this Statement of Decision for enforcement only’ in NY state under NY’s version of the Uniform Child Custody Jurisdiction and Enforcement Act.

      • anne_000 says:

        @ Pinky

        Also, regarding where Kelly thinks the jurisdiction should be…

        In July, after CA’s May order in her favor and while the same May judge tried to conclude where the jurisdiction should be and that she can have only one legal residence, her lawyers argued that she can have two. They said that in CA, she has business ties, medical care, and visits family and friends.

        But Daniel’s lawyers argued she can have only one legal residence and under questioning, Kelly admitted that she has a NY driver’s license and files income tax returns in NY.

        And then when asked why she has publicly stated that she wants to ‘bring them home to NY,’ she replied ‘I’m happy to have them come to New York or California. I think we can call it New York/California.’

        Kelly said she had sold her West Hollywood home and that the kids have been visiting them at her NY apt since July 3rd.

        When the judge asked Daniel’s lawyer was questioning Kelly so much about NY, the lawyer’s response was ‘Your honor, there is no evidence to tell you about California because she no longer lives in California.’

        So it seems to me that she’s trying to play both sides of the fence regarding jurisdiction. Imo, when she wanted CA’s May order, she tried to make it look like she was in CA’s jurisdiction, whereas when she didn’t like CA’s ruling, she tried to get NY’s jurisdiction.

        http://mynewsla.com/hollywood/2015/07/09/gossip-girl-kelly-rutherford-in-cross-country-custody-battle/

    • swack says:

      The children have their own guardian ad litem for their interest in this. This is a person appointed by the courts to represent them.

    • The Eternal Side-Eye says:

      “Team Kids”

      Kidnapping your children and refusing to engage in a responsible debate over custody isn’t being Team Kids. It’s being Team Mom. This woman played this case out publicly and when she couldn’t win in the court of public opinion she threw the game off the table. Now the children will have to be forcibly extracted from her which will likely only scar them further.

  18. Tiki says:

    She wouldn’t hand those passports over for a reason and the idiotic courts allowed her to keep them despite her parading her insanity through media campaigns the last few months. I really believe this is the end game for her, she has no intention of handing those children back. If she fails in keeping them away from their father by ‘winning’ the right to keep them in the States (which isn’t going to happen), her plan B will be to smuggle them where he can’t find them, if that fails she’ll do much worse than that.

    This woman is extremely narcissistic, sociopathic and personality disordered. Not getting her own way makes her pschyotic with rage. I really hope the authorities wake up and realise she is a serious danger to those children before it’s too late. They need to get in their immediately.

    I also hope the courts stop indulging her at the expense of her kids and their dad who must be stricken with terror right now. He knows how deranged and nasty Kelly is, I hope he gets the kids back and they never have to endure anything from her again.

    • The Eternal Side-Eye says:

      This. There are very few times I agree women are over indulged and unfortunately court proceedings are one of them. If a man had done half of what she’d said and done he’d be on a short leash with barely any visitation of his children allowed. Not 6 months to plot and plan.

  19. Nayru says:

    I very much both expected and was waiting for this to happen. She has said in so many words she was planning a kidnapping all along. I didn’t even think she should have gotten the for the summer at all with her media pleas.

  20. jinni says:

    Anyone else afraid she’ll go completely off the deep end and do a double murder suicide one of these days when/if she loses all access to her kids? She seems spiteful towards her ex and controlling enough to think that not having her in their lives is worst than death. She just seems unhinged.

    • S says:

      Yes agree! And the constant parading of the kids in front of the cameras at events – ugggh. These kids are going through enough without that nonsense as well.

    • Tiki says:

      I fear she’s a huge risk to her children’s lives and truly believe that in her mind she’s already planned how she’s going to kill them if she doesn’t get her own way this time. If she loses, she loses her kids for good now and she knows that. She will do anything to prevent her ex from keeping those kids, she sees them as merely an extension of herself and doesn’t care for a second about them.

      I doubt she’ll kill herself though, she’s too narcissistic, I think if it comes to it she’ll kill them and make a pathetically failed ‘attempt’ on her own life so it can all look very tragic and she can get sympathy (she thinks) for what the courts and her ex ‘made’ her do. She will be the star of her own show. All about her.

    • Jellybean says:

      Absolutely!

    • Tentacle Kitten says:

      I’ve actually been waiting on that headline.

    • Sam says:

      Think about this: If the roles were reversed and this was a man refusing to return his children to their mother, most people would be concerned about whether the physical safety of the children was at risk. Most of us would be able to recognize that refusal as an abusive maneuver designed to punish the mother. It would be easy to get that. But because it’s the mother, so many people see it differently, that she’s a mother “torn from her children” and she’s just fighting to get them back. Even though there is no appreciable difference. Yes, from statements she’s made, I do think there is ample reason to worry for the kids’ wellbeing. She cannot flee America – she’s simply too high profile, unless one of her friends lends her a private jet or something like that, but I don’t see anybody being willing to become an accomplice to kidnapping. I doubt they could hide anywhere very long. So what options does she have?

  21. Aly says:

    I have been following this case like a hawk because I simply can not wrap my head around the insanity that is Kelly Rutherford.
    She showcases classic borderline personality disorder and needs an evaluation. Witness her behavior/divorce from her first husband, refusal to list Helena’s father on the birth certificate, parading her children like props in the Hamptons. The list is endless with her.
    I hope that she goes to jail for her actions. Truly deplorable excuse for a “mother”.

  22. Izzy says:

    This was the world’s most predictable outcome.

    Well, Kelly may get her wish now and the government may get involved. They may not have a choice but to do so in order to return those children. International child abduction has to be addressed quickly, if th U.S. doesn’t see that those kids are returned to their rightful custodial parent, it seriously weakens our moral authority whenever we have to go to a foreign government to ask them for the same cooperation.

    I’ll be keepeing a close eye on this. If Giersch’s lawyers, Monaco courts or government formally request of the U.S. to return the kids, I may well start a White House petition, based on the above-stated reasons.

  23. Jellybean says:

    This whole case makes me feels a little uneasy. A woman I worked with had a son in law who killed himself and the two grandchildren when the wife left him. What is worse is that my friend and her husband had a nagging fear that something bad might happen, but they convinced themselves they were being silly and when they finally went around the house to confront him it was too late. It feels to me that Rutherford is unhinged, has nothing else in her life and might even be relying on a reality TV career when she ‘wins’. I would not like her to be in sole charge of those children when she realizes that she is going to lose them for good.

  24. Meatball says:

    She is completely nuts. I hope Daniel does press charges against her. I am worried about what those kids must be going through. They probably haven’t even talked to their father since they left. I’m sure they are old enough to realize that they should be back with him by now. I find it very telling that even Kelly’s dumbass lawyers from before aren’t making any statements. She f*cked up and is going to lose out on having the relationship with her kids.

  25. Beatrice says:

    This entitled nutjob needs to go to jail for this. It’s hard for me to understand how she can be such a disruptive influence in her children’s lives on purpose. Parading them around for the paps and the endless court battles are bad enough, but now kidnapping? If Kelly really was a good mother, she’d move to Monaco (sigh * what a hardship), give up her vendetta against the father, and be a constructive part of her children’s lives. It’s not like she has some great career keeping her in the US. It’s her fault that her husband got kicked out of the US but even if he was here, I’ll be willing to bet her crazy would still be stirring the pot!

  26. Sam says:

    First thought: Does this mean they’ll send the authorities after her and we might get a pic of her hiding with the kids in a closet or something, a la Elian Gonzalez?

    Second thought: I say this as a lawyer. There is no, single. faster. way. to make a judge hate you than to defy a court order. Doing this basically ensures that once her ex gets the kids back, no judge will ever again rule in her favor – and that’s the best situation. Right now, the judge who issued the order could throw her in jail solely for contempt – and that’s technically an indefinite stay, at the judge’s pleasure. Personally, most lawyers now would drop her as a client, since they are not going to want to be accused of enabling contempt or defiance of the court (they want to keep practicing and something like this can really impair their careers).

    She basically has very few options. She can’t flee the country (she’s too high profile). Are they in hiding? Again, I doubt they can stay hidden long (again, they’re too high profile). At this point, the father has grounds to initiate a criminal complaint and the police could seize the kids by force if need be. There is no decent way for this to end.

    • SNKatasha says:

      I think it’s telling that her NY attorney Wendy has been unusually silent in everything happening right now. Remember her lawyers were running to the media talking about how the courts had messed it up and now crickets and we’re just hearing nonsense from Kelly’s “team.”

      No lawyer is co-signing this mess. No lawyer would advise that she willfully invoke the Hague Convention by defying orders of both the American and Monaco court system.

      • Sam says:

        Yeah, I think this is just her. No lawyer is going to risk their license, their reputation and possibly even their freedom just to help a looney tune hold on to her kids.

        Part of me thinks this is just some dumb PR stunt and that she’ll hand the kids over once Daniel threatens something or the judge threatens her, and she’ll claim it was all about “raising awareness” or something like that. I don’t see her as such a strongly principled person that she’s willing to go to jail to make her point (she’s too much of a media fiend for that). But another part of me worries that she’s just unhinged enough to put the kids in peril.

      • Audrey says:

        Wendy Murphy, Rutherford’s attorney, tells PEOPLE that Giersch should “do the right thing” and “protect the children from the trauma of needless litigation. 

        “It’s curious that the children’s father would make cruel threats and derogatory remarks rather than refusing to respond to the very simple statement we recently released last week explaining why the children are entitled to reside in their own country,” Murphy says in a statement. “Mr. Giersch made an agreement with Kelly and the American courts in 2012 that the children would live abroad with him only temporarily while he resolved his U.S. work visa issues. He did nothing to address his visa problems, and three years is exceedingly not temporary.” 

        “Instead of complying with his 2012 agreement, Giersch filed for sole custody in Monaco at the end of 2014 (no decision yet.) He also refused to let Kelly see the children when she flew to Monaco for a visit this year unless she surrendered the children’s U.S. passports, which no court had ordered her to do,” Murphy adds. “Mr. Giersch purports to be interested in co-parenting but his actions belie a different agenda.”

        Wendy talked to people and she’s crazy, she and kelly are two peas in a pod

      • notasugarhere says:

        Both the lawyer and Rutherford are conveniently forgetting that his “visa problems” are Rutherford’s fault. She lied and got him visa revoked. She has to admit that to authorities in a sworn statement, after which he can then reapply.

        “the very simple statement we recently released last week explaining why the children are entitled to reside in their own country”. Now the word salad is coming from the lawyer and she’s playing the USA! USA! card too.

      • Sam says:

        That is the stupidest statement of all time, I’m thinking. First, the report over the passports was that the ex wanted her to turn them over to a neutral third party so that the kids couldn’t be smuggled out of the country – and he’s been proven totally right in that regard. Second, the children do not have “a” country. They have dual citizenship and have a right to be in both America and the EU (I have German citizenship as well, and technically that means the kids are entitled to move amongst EU member nations – this is something I can actually comment on!).

        From what I understand, he cannot re-apply for a visa because to do so, Kelly would have to sign a sworn statement admitting that she lied in the initial allegations and that he did not engage in the activities she accused him of. Thus far, it was my understanding that she’s refused to cop to lying because it might impair her image in the custody fight, so that’s why he’s still stuck in Europe (not a bad place to be stuck, but hey).

        I’m surprised her lawyer is putting herself out there. They’re in defiance of a court order. A judge could haul them both in and stuff Kelly in jail for contempt and haul the lawyer before the Bar for discipline. They are truly playing with serious fire here.

      • BearcatLawyer says:

        If I were Mr. Giersch’s attorney, I would parrot Wendy Murphy’s statement back at her. The children have a right to live in Monaco with their father too. Kelly needs to stop with the frivolous litigation and accusations of child abduction. Kelly purports to want to co-parent but her actions reveal a far more sinister agenda. I have never seen such willful blindness and cognitive dissonance play out on such a grand scale!

      • Neah23 says:

        “, Giersch filed for sole custody in Monaco at the end of 2014 (no decision yet.) He also refused to let Kelly see the children when she flew to Monaco for a visit this year unless she surrendered the children’s U.S. passports, which no court had ordered her to do,” Murphy adds. “Mr. Giersch purports to be interested in co-parenting but his actions belie a different agenda.”

        That’s BS he resumed to send the kids to the U.S. On vacation with mom Unless she surrendered the passport because he was afraid she would do what she doing know kidnapping the kids.

      • anne_000 says:

        ‘He also refused to let Kelly see the children when she flew to Monaco for a visit this year unless she surrendered the children’s U.S. passports, which no court had ordered her to do,” Murphy adds.’

        I don’t know why Murphy says there’s no court order about the passports.

        Here’s what Daniel’s lawyer said back in May:

        ‘Daniel is requesting per the terms of the California judgment that a neutral party hold the children’s passports while mother (Rutherford) has custody of the children abroad,” she added, “and that is simply carrying out the terms of the California order, and is also a very neutral thing because of the very deep concern given the [TMZ] statement that she made.’

        http://www.celebitchy.com/428932/kelly_rutherfords_ex_blocks_her_from_their_kids_concerned_they_are_in_imminent_danger_/

  27. noob says:

    I do understand the legal complexity of the situation. But I do understand that she just wants her kids to be with her in their own country. Can you imagine losing your children at 5 and 2 years old for no other reason than that you divorced their father. That has to be a hell to go through. So her behaviour might seem erratic but i do kinda get it…

    • Snowflake says:

      When did she lose them? It’s not like she doesn’t get to see them. There has to be reasons why they are with their dad, or were, until she kidnapped them. She seems very unstable to me.

    • cr says:

      She didn’t ‘lose’ her children because she divorced Daniel. She has tried to cut Daniel out of their lives, and now may end up losing her own custody and visitation rights.
      This.Is.Her.Own.Fault.
      And as far as her behavior goes, this isn’t making her erratic, she already was erratic.

    • Ankhel says:

      She never lost her kids – she got three months a year, plus as many visits as she’d like, six of them paid for by her ex. And she did far more than divorce Daniel. Her lawyer, standing next to her in court, tried to force Daniel to sign a document which would give him NO visitation rights – or else! When Daniel refused, the lawyer, in plain sight, called immigration authorities and said that Daniel was a criminal who planned to kidnap his children! Daniel lost his visa just days later, and the ( angry ) judge decided the children should stay with him most of the time. For the record, Daniel Giersch has no criminal history, nor has he ever kidnapped his kids.

    • Sam says:

      No, it’s not that complex. Kelly and her attorney colluded several years ago to get her ex’s visa revoked so that he could not re-enter the US (I believe he was out of the country on business at the time or something like that). Basically, she thought that would essentially remove him from the kids’ lives. She is responsible for the current situation. She accused her ex of arms dealing and supporting terrorism – yes, look it up.

      She did not lose her kids because she divorced their dad. She lost her kids because she accused their father of horrendous things in the hopes that it would get him barred from their lives (things that, to the best anyone knows, were never ever substantiated). She is fully responsible for the situation now. This is all her fault.

      • The Eternal Side-Eye says:

        This.

      • GoodNamesAllTaken says:

        Yup.

      • Izzy says:

        He wasn’t out of the country at the time. I finally got the full details today reading the decision at harris-ginsberg (link provided above in comments). Her lawyer presented him with a document to sign waiving custody or visitation or something, and was on his cell to the State Department, and told him that he was about to have visa problems but they would go away if he signed the document.

        This happened AT THE COURTHOUSE. Kelly Rutherford was sitting RIGHT NEXT TO HER LAWYER when he did this, and not once did she try to stop it from happening. All this is noted in the decision.

    • SNKatasha says:

      It must be equally stressful to be with a person who at every step seems to be intent on cutting you out of your children’s life when all you want to do is co-parent and share custody. It must be horrifying to be threatened with deportation unless you relinquish your parental rights for no other reason that the person you chose to have children with doesn’t want to share them anymore. It must be mortifying to worry about what your children must be hearing from their mother while she refuses access and when in the past she has told your son to run and scream if he is ever in an airport.

      I’m sure Daniel has been terrified for much of this custody battle and yet he is not the one who has cut her out of their lives and he is not the one who has stooped to kidnapping.

      Just a thought.

    • Sixer says:

      Since 2012, she’s had them for two full summers and made 70 visits to them (I know, I know, responding to sealioning yet again, sorry). How is that losing them?

    • Crumpet says:

      I also understand what it is like to lose your child in a custody dispute. But in the end, you do what is best for the child and comply. If she truly had her children’s best interests at heart, she would never have told Hermes to scream for the police if he was ever alone with Daniel in an airport. Or any of the other terrible things I have no doubt she has said to those poor children.

      I don’t see her as a mother. She is not behaving as a mother should, ensuring that her children feel safe and loved. I have no doubt that she frightens the hell out of them on a regular basis. Because she does not think the way normal people do, she sees the children as extensions of herself. She divorced Daniel and wants the children divorced of him as well. She is incapable of understanding anyone else’s rights or feelings in this matter.

      In short, she really does believe she is the Queen of Everything.

    • claire says:

      There is no “their own country.” I don’t know why that is so hard for people to understand. These kids have dual citizenship. The end.

      • Tara says:

        Exactly. On another note, Kelly’s smile is beginning to remind me of the clown in IT. She and Tom cruise should get together and have marathon manic smile contests, with a tie breaker round of parental alienation.

    • anne_000 says:

      @ noob

      Here’s why she doesn’t have physical custody:

      http://harris-ginsberg.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Statement-of-Decision.pdf

      Or Google: Harris Ginsberg Kelly Rutherford PDF
      And you’ll see it listed as: [PDF] 24 20/

      This is the full 52 page document.

      Make sure to check out what the judge stated from page 21 on.

      • littlestar says:

        OMG. How was the lawyer NOT disbarred??? Isn’t what he did illegal? Calling the State Department trying to get Giersch arrested and saying they’d make the problem go away if he signed over full custody to Rutherford. Like holy F.

      • anne_000 says:

        @ littlestar

        And now there’s this current lawyer who was the one who sat next to her during the TMZ interview in which Kelly seemed to be advocating for some ‘hero for America’ to take her kids away from the father and that if mistakes are made, she wouldn’t be bothered.

        I can’t believe the recent statement by this current lawyer. How can she defend her client’s actions in any way, especially by seeming to say that any future litigation to get the kids back to their father is will be traumatic for the children and thus shouldn’t be done at all. What?

      • K says:

        Her lawyer has posted pieces on famous murder trials on her website and proudly says she’s been on CNN, CBS and Fox. She just wants to be linked to such a high profile case, I suspect, as a route in to a career on a major network; it is perhaps not unrelated that her advice is seemingly so close to what Kelly wants to hear.

        I have no idea why the lawyer who attempted to coerce the father to drop his rights or they would lie to the State Department is still practising, though, especially as the threat was followed through, so it was patently fully intended. (If they even are?)

    • Ennie says:

      Someone said that when the Monaco and CA courts conferenced on June 11th, it was overruled that temporary custody she had, then the Monaco court sentenced that the original agreement and therefore, children’s summer visit to their mother was on. I bet she did not comest that Monaco sentence because sit was “in her favor”, actually, just what shared custody is all about.
      The father, probably afraid of her kidnapping the kids, still complied, and now look at this mess.

    • Ennie says:

      The little girl was born in 2009, when she was already separated and (maybe) divorced. They co-parented for maybe 3 years.
      While they were co-parenting, she was suing him because he tried to potty train the older boy, forgot to tell him she was in labor until several days afterwards (I red that he found out in the press), refused to put his name in Helena’s birth certificate even after a judge ordered to , 2 years after she was born, and on and on complaining for silly things, saying in the press that the children did not need a father (life and Style interview).
      They still had shared custody, and were called “excellent parents”, but she had created a father alienation history for herself, which backfired tremendously when she got him kicked out of the country , trying to get sole custody for herself.

      • Becks says:

        I know we all know this already, but there are some who don’t so it’s worth mentioning:

        She didn’t *forget* to notify him she was in labour with Helena. They had a verbal agreement that she would phone or text him when she went into labour. She didn’t, and he ended up hearing about the birth of his daughter through online reports like any Tom, Dick and Harry.

        She then released statements to the media about how she gave birth alone, and he was eviscerated in the media. He was seeing widespread comments from people who would post hateful comments about his “failure” to attend the birth, he’s neglectful, callous, philandering, no wonder she left him, etc.

        He was maligned so badly that he gave an interview to PEOPLE.

        http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20284221,00.html

    • anne_000 says:

      @ noob

      If her side hadn’t help get his visa revoked and a US travel ban placed upon him, then they could have co-parented and both lived in the US with their kids, divorced or not.

      But she didn’t want him in the picture.

      The Court found that he is more willing to co-parent, no matter what country he lives in.

  28. candice says:

    This circus must be very stressful for the children and now it gets worse. For someone who values time with her children, she does seem to have a funny way of showing it.

    I would think she would go out of her way to spend one-on-one time with them doing the simple things that kids like to do – go the park, the zoo, the pool, the science centre, etc., But no. Kelly dresses them up like dolls and parades them around from one photo op or red carpet to another. What kind of life is that for an 8 (9?) year old boy who’d much rather be with his friends kicking around a soccer ball.

    Methinks Daniel has provided them with a normal, stress-free childhood.

  29. CFY says:

    I am flabbergasted at anyone who says “wow I understand where she’s coming from.” This isn’t about a mother wanting to be with her kids. This is an unhinged narcissist determined to punish her ex and win at any cost. Her kids are merely the tools she’s designated for use in this war she’s declared.

    She could move to Monaco to be with them. She didn’t have to lie to get her ex barred from entering the U.S. She’s had tons of solutions and opportunities for cooperation presented to her. She’s declined all of them.

    • Wonderbunny says:

      Have you noticed though that those comments are also pretty self-centered? It’s about what the mother would feel and how her life would be impacted. Not so much about how the children would feel and how their life would be impacted. “As a mother I would do anything to keep what is mine” and not “as a mother I would do anything to keep my children safe and happy”.

      • GoodNamesAllTaken says:

        And also they seem completely unaware that fathers also love their children, almost as if fathers don’t exist.

      • I Choose Me says:

        So very much this!

      • Lucky Charm says:

        I’m a mom and a grandma, but the primary focus is (or should be) what’s best for the children. When I divorced my husband, I made every attempt to include him in their lives and tried to make sure they maintained a relationship with him. He chose to eventually walk away and cut off all ties, but that was his decision. And that actually upset me more than it did my kids, because I felt they should have their dad in their life, but they felt they were better off not having an @$$ in theirs.

        Kelly may have given birth to them, but she is no mom at all. Her first, last and only priority is herself and having everything her own way. I should introduce her to my ex, rumor has it he and his latest wife just split. I swear, that man just loves wedding ceremonies! Too bad he doesn’t like BEING married as much as he likes GETTING married. He and Kelly seem to have that in common.

    • The Eternal Side-Eye says:

      Exactly. This isn’t about these kids, it’s about power and control. How some people still don’t see that I don’t know.

  30. tessa says:

    im really confused. Why can’t she move to Monaco and stop playing silly buggers?

    • H says:

      My guess why she doesn’t move there? She isn’t a EU citizen and probably can’t get a long term visa to live there. (Oh, the irony.) Monaco is a very expensive place to live. I doubt Kelly speaks French, how would she work and support herself? Not supporting her side, just pointing out the practical side of moving to another country.

      • Samtha says:

        I’m pretty sure Kelly does speak French, actually. She enrolled Hermes in a French-speaking school and there was a bit in one of the custody documents about her speaking French with him at home (or maybe that last bit was in one of the older interviews with her; I’ve read so much about this case that I can’t remember which).

      • pleaseicu says:

        IIRC in the past Daniel had offered to buy her a swanky apartment reasonably near to where he and the children live so she could be near the children if she wanted. She turned his offer down.

      • H says:

        Maybe she’s smarter than I orginally thought then. Still don’t like her.

  31. Jess says:

    What in the world?!? She’s delusional and will end up losing them for good after this stunt, and honestly she probably deserves it. This is not in the best interest of those children, this is what Kelly wants and she just wants to win. They’ve lived in Monaco for years(because of her deportation stunt) and that’s their home now, they probably feel so confused and god knows what she tells them about their father. I’ve seen two sets of pictures with her and the kids in the short amount of time she’s had them, in the first she was busy kissing on her boyfriend and posing for paps instead of paying attention to her kids, and the other set it looked like she had a nanny caring for them while she was busy on her phone….I cannot stand this woman.

  32. Lilacflowers says:

    Just issue the Amber Alert already, roll the caption across every television screen, post her stupid mug on every news program in the country as the kidnapper she is, start the social media warning forewarding, and throw her butt in jail where it belongs. Thus she will have received all the free PR she wants and the kids can be reunited with their father.

    • Crumpet says:

      I’m sure they hope to convince her to quietly comply, because that would be the least stressful for the children. For their sake, I hope it works.

      • Saywhatwhen says:

        @Crumpet: I agree. If I am reading the father’s motives correctly (as evidenced by his actions so far) he will only resort to filing criminal charges as the absolute last resort. He, through his lawyers, might be using reason on her now and over the last couple of days. The Elian Gonzalez-style rescue would be traumatic for his children and this man seems intelligent, measured and extremely thoughtful throughout his dealings with Rutherford. I think his dealings with her are simply a mirror of his care and love for his children. I commend a father like that. Seriously.

        Everyone takes time to bash Rutherford (she deserves it,…) but go one better and give props to a decent, loving and demonstratively caring father…plenty of them out there and this one needs credits and props up the wahzoo!!!

      • Becks says:

        99% of us would count ourselves blessed to have a loving, motivated, intelligent, involved father who actively seeks to be in their children’s lives.

        Any one of us, except Ms. Rutherford.

        He understands the benefit to his children having both mom and dad co-parenting. She, apparently, hates him more than she loves her children.

  33. Ennie says:

    I find interesting that
    1) She doesn’t state that her children were sent to live with their father (because he has primary custody), instead she words that “they were forced to leave the USA”. That, right there, tells me her tone and intention. She does not acknowledges his rights to see and share their children.
    .
    2) When she mentions whatever agreements she supposedly had with her husband as if the agreement was temporary or not, she does NOT mention that he doesn’t have a visa and that he was supposed to ask for one. Her supporters have been saying that he has not applied for one, but… she would state here (I think she would) if he had failed to carry out that compromise. She does not mention either the reason that he had to leave the USA and why he got custody either.
    3) she mentions that in May she got “sole”custody, but fails to maintain that is was a temporary order that was talked about in that June teleconference where I think the original California order kept ruling?
    If she was so honest with her supporters, she’d say “I was following the wrong advice” or something. She is deluded and I do not support her. I believe that he probably will have to wait at least 10 years to get a visa, and even if he gets one, that doesn’t mean he will actually be allowed to enter the US if he tries to visit. I think he has honored his part of the deal as much as it is wise to do, but she has screw*d herself big time.

    • Becks says:

      All 3 very good points!

      Yes, I have noticed that about her…I have read print interviews where she is less than 100% forthcoming about all the facts (yeah, no sh**, I know)

      She doesn’t exactly tell an outright *lie*, BUT if you know the facts from having read the court documents, you can spot many, many, MANY instances where she slants her words, leaves out important facts that don’t reflect well on herself, and generally try to misrepresent her case by emphasizing one part over another.

      She is really playing to the knee-jerk, jingoistic crowd.

  34. dr mantis toboggan says:

    Sorry little fella, I don’t think you’ll be getting peace in your life anytime soon.

  35. morc says:

    This woman is giving me Magda Goebbels vibes.

  36. original kay says:

    There’s an update on People.com, I guess she went on Good Morning America or something, to refute what Daniel’s lawyer said.

    • kaye says:

      Shame on GMA for giving her a platform.

    • LAK says:

      Her ferret of a lawyer, Wendy, finally released a statement in which she is accusing Daniel of threatening Kelly. Apparently calling out Kelly as a child abductor is threatening to Kelly and Daniel is focusing on the wrong issue which is that he is keeping american citizens from living in their own country!!!!!

      Seriously, is this woman from clown college??!!

      • cr says:

        That’s an insult to ferrets!
        But I hadn’t realized that her lawyer is apparently the same hack lawyer who went on and on about the Duke lacrosse rape case (that wasn’t):

        One prominent guest on Grace’s show and others was Wendy Murphy, an adjunct professor at the New England School of Law and a former assistant district attorney in Middlesex County, Massachusetts. On April 10, 2006, after defense attorneys announced that DNA results found no links to the athletes, Murphy told Grace, “Look, I think the real key here is that these guys, like so many rapists–and I’m going to say it because, at this point, she’s entitled to the respect that she is a crime victim.”

        Emerging questions about the investigation did not prompt Murphy to reassess. Appearing on “CNN Live Today” on May 3, 2006, she posited, “I’d even go so far as to say I bet one or more of the players was, you know, molested or something as a child.” On June 5, 2006, MSNBC’s Tucker Carlson asserted, relying on a Duke committee report, that the lacrosse team was generally well-behaved. Rejoined Murphy: “Hitler never beat his wife either. So what?” She later added: “I never, ever met a false rape claim, by the way. My own statistics speak to the truth.”

        Asked to evaluate her commentary, Murphy said in an interview: “Lots of folks who voiced the prosecution position in the beginning gave up because they faced a lot of criticism, and that’s never my style.” She notes that she’s invited on cable shows to argue for a particular side. “You have to appreciate my role as a pundit is to draw inferences and make arguments on behalf of the side which I’m assigned,” she says. “So of course it’s going to sound like I’m arguing in favor of ‘guilty.’ That’s the opposite of what the defense pundit is doing, which is arguing that they’re innocent.”

        http://ajrarchive.org/Article.asp?id=4379

      • GoodNamesAllTaken says:

        Lol. A ferret from clone college.

    • notasugarhere says:

      You called it, anne_000.

      • anne_000 says:

        @ notasugarhere

        Where does Kelly find these lawyers that support her antics?

        Omg.

      • Samtha says:

        On another website, someone said Kelly’s current attorneys are working pro bono for the publicity. If so, that explains a lot.

  37. Meagain says:

    She is friends with Dan Abrams from the today show- so notice any update ( like the one on their site today) is mostly her side of the story.
    I use to like Dan but very disappointed as a lawyer he can be straight faced and say her side of the story without mentioning all the garbage she has pulled.
    She does have friends in the US media but good thing the end result is not a media contest .
    Debra Messing tweeted in her favor yesterday too. She will get all her celeb friends again to rally behind her.
    Won’t work in the long run but frustrating to watch.

    • cr says:

      It wasn’t until this weekend that I realized that Dan Abrams was seriously Team Kelly, to the point where his ‘opinions’ on the case sound like nothing more than whining, instead of fact based opinions.

    • claire says:

      Just went to look at The Today Show’s page on Facebook. The comment section for her story is full of people saying that he took them illegally three years ago and kept/kidnapped them. Wow. She really has fooled a lot of people. Plus, it’s just depressing how dumb people are that they take her little soundbytes, fill in with their own information and preach it as truth.

  38. 9 says:

    maybe her plan is to permanently lose the right to her kids and live happily ever after, childless with her rich boyfriend…she’s on the right track

    • Lisanne says:

      It would not surprise me if this were her plan. If the boyfriend isn’t into the kids, she may very well choose him over them. Not consciously, exactly, because then she’d have to admit to herself that she’s not a loving mother. Too big a blow to her narcissism to acknowledge that. This current situation would be a way to get them out of her life while continuing with the “my kids have been taken from me” mantra.

  39. The Eternal Side-Eye says:

    She dun goofed.

  40. Kinta says:

    Here is the ABC exclusive (??) videointerview with Kelly: http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/kelly-rutherford-defies-court-order-children-us-32987815

    I am from Europe and I am really amazed how onesided this piece of “news” is. I am really surprised how basic facts are just nor presented, for example that the kids are not just US citizens but also have a german passport.

    • Audrey says:

      The news stations all slant their stories so they keep getting exclusive interviews with her. It’s very sad.

      She is on a “AMERICA” kick to try to get support from people. It’s actually working, because a good number of Americans believe that American citizenship trumps all others. And that Monaco is inferior because it’s not America.

    • notasugarhere says:

      Thank you for the link to the video. Little Darling’s post, under #8 above, links to an interesting article about the slant.

    • Sixer says:

      That report would violate broadcast news regulations here in the UK. Repeated violations like that could get a channel shut down (and has done, in the past).

      I think, Kinta, the US used to have balance regulations for TV news reporting but it was rescinded under Reagan. Perhaps a nice American could let us know?

      • Samtha says:

        Yep. The Fairness Doctrine went away in the 80s.

      • Kinta says:

        Also in Germany. You have to report all the facts from every party involved neutral. And you are not allowed to let your own opinion show if it is not a commentary. And it is really considered bad reporting to just represent one side.

      • littlestar says:

        I’m sure they would get in trouble for this in Canada too.

    • Morse0412 says:

      Its interesting that shes claiming the children said something that made her scared to send them back? What lie was she telling them to make them fear that? Im sure it was something along the line of “if you go back to Monaco you’ll never see Mama again and daddy’s is a criminal” etc. Especially since she wont flat out say what is was?

      This woman is ridiculous and emotionally and mentally damaging her children for her own selfish gain

    • Robin says:

      Most of the mainstream media in the U.S. is extremely biased, while pretending not to be. It’s been especially obvious for the last eight years or so. Not surprisingly that ABC “News” is reporting only one side of this story.

    • anne_000 says:

      @ Kinta

      Thank you for the link.

      She’s accusing Daniel of not being ‘present?’ What?

      She’s pretending that no current state jurisdiction means that there’s no court order.

      Her lawyer says that Kelly is respecting the 2012 court order by keeping the kids against the court order…. She says that because it was supposed to be temporary at the time (2012), that Kelly can determine arbitrarily when that order can be ended? What?

      Kelly said that the kids said some ‘really alarming things that made her worry about their safety if she sent them back’ but wouldn’t tell what those things were. Really?

      So if Daniel did and said the same thing as Kelly and her lawyer are saying, then does that mean that he can keep the kids away from Kelly without any court procedure?

      I won’t listen to Dan Abrams. He’s not been correct so far about this case, imo. I can’t waste my time on him.

  41. nic says:

    I feel so sorry for him. He must be worried beyond worry. Hopefully, the children are removed from her care permanently and she is permitted only heavily supervised visitation. To be honest, I wouldn’t let her near the kids without bodyguards and after a weapon’s search.

  42. Peanutbuttr says:

    Daniel’s lawyer, Fahi Takesh Hallin, is part of the State Department’s referral network when it comes to child abduction cases and is consistently listed as being among the best attorneys in SoCal. You can bet she knows what she is doing.

    • Izzy says:

      Considering he had her on retainer prior to this, he saw this coming from 50 miles away (like most of us). If his connections are that good, then I would say either she cooperates (not likely), or it will not be long before State gets involved. They won’t be happy about it, but they will have no choice. They are put in the unenviable position of asking foreign governments to return LEGITIMATELY abducted American kids to the U.S. all the time. If they don’t return these kids to their father, the U.S.’s moral position for any such future requests of other countries would be on very shaky legs.

    • J.Mo says:

      Phew. It’s so frustrating to see the “American kids need their mothers and their country” comments. Like they’re so patriotic they don’t need their fathers.

  43. jojo says:

    Complete double standard in the United Stated. If their positions were reversed, and he had ‘kidnapped’ the kids in this manner, his face would be plastered all over CNN, the feds would be knocking on his door, and he’d go to jail for at least a year.

    • Izzy says:

      You are correct.

    • Robin says:

      Complete double standard in the United States MEDIA. We Americans with brains and critical-thinking skills are able to consider both sides of this issue and others and draw our own conclusions, despite ridiculous bias in most of the media here.

    • anne_000 says:

      Yup. If this were reversed, the people would be saying that he’s exerting his power over Kelly and bullying her and not thinking of the kids.

      Also, I find it hypocritical of Kelly that in July, she made a speech to Congress about international child abduction and accused the CA judge of forcing a ‘legal kidnapping’ when she’s the one who has done exactly what she’s been accusing others of doing.

      I just don’t get the craziness of her selfish double standards.

      Maybe Daniel should get his travel ban lifted just so he can give the same speech Kelly gave in front of Congress, but this time around, he’d be speaking from ACTUAL experience rather than the made-up one in Kelly’s imagination.

  44. Elleno says:

    Sorry, I dont believe that KR is the devil, and I also dont believe her ex is a saint, or even better qualified than KR to parent. Further, I dont believe you can tell what kind of person someone is from court documents. There are probably significant personal failings on both sides, with the kids being the victims in all this.

    • Don't kill me I'm French says:

      LA court decision of October 2013 http://harris-ginsberg.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Statement-of-Decision.pdf
      Read what they wrote on him and her .

    • Who ARE these people? says:

      “Don’t kill…” thanks for posting. Scary stuff. Rutherford’s behavior is consistent with pathological narcissism. The children’s father must have had a hell of a time coming to terms with the fact that he was lured into her scheme to obtain his semen and then sever his ties with his children. It appears to come down to that. It also seems that Rutherford in her blind quest to become pregnant overlooked that her choice in husband was an actual, functioning human being capable of showing affection and responsibility toward his progeny.

      Wishing the best for the children. Their mother has been a sort of monster. Thankfully their father appears to have brains, money and a sense of appropriateness. (And no criminal record!)

    • Izzy says:

      Please, feel free to keep the blinders on, and not actually read what’s in the court documents. Which are, you know, based on verifiable facts.

  45. Amy M. says:

    Sad. I have always felt sorry for her in the sense that being separated from your children must be torturous. However the fact that she refuses to acknowledge she put herself in this situation and now she may lose all custody of her children altogether is just heartbreaking. She is potentially traumatizing her kids for life. Are her kids old enough that they can decide where they want to live?

    • Who ARE these people? says:

      I hope someone expert on this board weighs in. All I remember is that the courts do at some point interview the children independently to get a sense of their wishes.

      It would be hard to imagine they would ask to leave their consistent home, school and greater support network to live with the mommy who always takes them to parties to be photographed and says bad things about daddy.

      • Lilacflowers says:

        It depends on the state. But pretty much every state in a case like this would have someone appointed to represent the children’s interests, although they would not necessarily have much of a say on what they want.

      • Who ARE these people? says:

        Thanks Lilac.

        By the way, every time I see your nom de plume it gives such a nice image of … lilac flowers! Mmm, lilacs in the spring.

      • LNG says:

        I have read before that the kids have a state appointed lawyer, but I’m not certain. One is certainly not appointed in every custody case. They would get an assessment of the children done, which could include an impression of what the kids would prefer, but they wouldn’t ask the kids outright as they are too young (for example, here the report indicated that Hermes was very bonded with and identified more strongly with his father if i remember correctly). The kids wishes aren’t generally sought out until they are teenagers. The assumption here is that maximum contact with both parents is in the best interests of all children. Even if kelly did coach the kids to say they wanted to live with her, there is such a clear risk of parental alienation happening here that the courts would be more likely to give custody to the father. It is in the best interests of the children to be with the parent who will facilitate and encourage a relationship with the other. I’ve seen parents with primary custody be reduced to supervised access only because they were trying to alienate the kids.

    • BearcatLawyer says:

      FYI…there is a difference between a guardian ad litem and an attorney ad litem. Judges can appoint one or the other or both to represent children in court proceedings, but their roles are different and sometimes result in conflicts.

      In general, a guardian ad litem is appointed to determine and advocate for the best interests of the child – not necessarily what the child wants, the parents want, or the court wants. Rather, the guardian ad litem is supposed to independently investigate and argue for what s/he thinks is in the child’s best interest. So at this point in Rutherford-Giersch saga, it is highly likely that a guardian ad litem would argue that Kelly should no longer have unsupervised visitation with the children in light of her flouting of the California court orders and claims of exile/child abduction.

      An attorney ad litem is appointed to represent the children, counsel them, and advocate for their stated desires, even if the child’s wishes are not in his/her best interest. If Hermes said he never wanted to see his mother again or be forced to go on scheduled visits at her home, his attorney ad litem could argue for this result even though at age 8 he is not likely to fully appreciate the consequences of completely cutting his mother out of his life.

      Some judges appoint a single attorney to act as both the guardian ad litem and attorney ad litem. That happened to me once in a voluntary relinquishment of parental rights/adoption case. Fortunately for me the children’s best interests (to be adopted by their mother’s new husband/their stepfather) and their desires (same) were aligned so I did not feel like I had a conflict of interest. But there are cases – like this one – where separate appointments are probably better.

      • anne_000 says:

        @ BearcatLawyer

        I am so glad that you post on CB.

        Please keep posting. I enjoy reading your informed comments. Thank you.

  46. Kristen says:

    I am so scared for those two children. She won’t hand them over to authorities, if it comes to that. She’s too narcissistic and stubborn to let her husband “win.”

    So what will she do instead?

    Ugh, I hate that I’m even thinking this, but I am truly concerned and terrified for those children. Andrea Yates-style terrified. Shiver.

    • Izzy says:

      You’re not the only one on this board who’s thinking that. It’s scary.

    • Robin says:

      Add me to the list. I don’t want to consider what Rutherford might do in the next few days or weeks.

    • Who ARE these people? says:

      Andrea Yates was found to be suffering from psychotic hallucinatory delusions and postpartum depression. Rutherford may seem to be “delusional” in the sense that she’s willfully misinterpreting her legal rights and the rights of her children, but it’s not the same as hearing voices telling her to kill her children. A personality disorder is different from a psychotic break.

      Rutherford would be found competent.

  47. Steph O says:

    So, apologies if this is a stupid question, but I am having trouble finding a succinct explanation of this….wasn’t her ex deported because of shady weapons and money stuff? If that’s the case, I could kind of understand her hesitation to let him have custody. It doesn’t excuse the flood of crazy she has released since then, I’ve just seen her get lots of shit for having him deported in the first place, and was wondering if they actually found evidence of shady behavior on his part or if just the allegations were enough to get him deported…

    • morc says:

      Succinct explanations of this situation are in every. single. post.

      Kelly and her Lawyer conspired to have his visa revoked on trumped-up claims of weapons trading/illegal dealings. They tried to extort custody from him against the promise not to call homeland security. This, and Kelly’s involvement was also stated by he and is in the court documents.
      There was no evidence on this, however the accusation coupled with the Patriot Act is enough to revoke his visa.

      I find it hard to believe you couldn’t find cliffs notes on this, it is everywhere.

      • J.Mo says:

        Someone posted that her lawyer made the call about him dealing in arms and supporting terrorism right in court. Apparently he is unable to get a Visa without that original claim being addressed by the person who made it.
        morc, I looked for this info for a long time too before finding it, maybe Steph o doesn’t have the time so why so bitchy? There are not succinct explanations in every.single.post.

      • Lady D says:

        Ya,there is.

      • morc says:

        J.Mo there are succinct explanations in every post. In the comments are links to the documents.
        Every document comes with a conclusion.
        Every post on this has a summary and a comment.

        If people are too lazy to do their own research and just take Kelly’ss rambling as fact that’s on them. Don’t protect them.
        Notice how she didn’t return?
        People are acting willfully obtuse on this case all the time.

    • The Original Mia says:

      She & her attorney made the false allegations after her ex refused to give her full custody with limited visitation. The State Dept immediately revoked his visa because the allegation was enough. He was never found guilty of anything. He can’t get back his visa back until Kelly writes a letter to the State Dept admitting her allegations were false. She won’t do that, so he won’t be able to get a new visa until that is done.

    • littlestar says:

      http://harris-ginsberg.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Statement-of-Decision.pdf

      Other people have posted the above link. Take a look at it. It’ll show you exactly what her shady lawyer did and how Kelly just sat back and let it happen. It was pure extortion.

      • Don't kill me I'm French says:

        +1

      • Who ARE these people? says:

        Yup. Thankfully, ATTEMPTED extortion. The father didn’t go for it. At some point, their kids will understand that he was steadfast in his commitment.

      • Steph O says:

        Thanks for the info! Not really able to to read a 52 page legal document, as I’m sick and parenting a toddler, and I know visa stuff can get complicated. Most articles I have read on this just referenced the fact that the father was deported for allegations made by Kelly’s lawyer, without explaining if there has been a final finding on the allegations, what the burden of proof is for deportation, etc. I have no vested interest in either side (though my heart breaks for the kids).
        And seriously people, I was very nicely asking for some help understanding a portion of this cluster, and acknowledged I had probably missed some info on my end. No need to jump down my throat or accuse me of defending this woman’s crazy behavior.

    • anne_000 says:

      @ Steph O

      @ J.Mo

      The 2013 link has been posted several times in this thread.

      @ J.Mo

      You asked downthread what Kelly has ever said about him or said to her kids about him. Read the link.

      http://harris-ginsberg.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Statement-of-Decision.pdf

    • morc says:

      Steph O please accept my apology, there is a crazy amount of Kelly defenders who came to these threads and act all obtuse to argue “a child needs his mother”, never actually bothering to put some thought into it.

  48. kai says:

    They were only together for three months when she got pregnant with Hermes. I know you never know how things will turn out, but Jesus, be careful who you’re having kids with! That’s what I take away from all this.

  49. Morse0412 says:

    I keep checking the comments hoping that theres a new update, even a sighting of the kids. This whole situation is making me very worried. I can only imagine how Daniel feels considering he can’t even come to the States to help get them back.

  50. Laura says:

    From everything I’ve read, this is my take. If everyone could simply defy court orders like Kelly prisons around the world would be empty. I’m not sure if she’s a complete illiterate or just seriously unhinged if she can’t see the SERIOUS legal ramifications of her stupidity.The issue of the kids being returned to Daniel is pretty simple. The fact that she signed documents agreeing to return the children by August 7th is reason alone to reflect she understood this agreement which was carried out by BOTH California and Monaco courts. The fact that they have a September 3rd hearing in Monaco is also reason why the kids WILL be sent back to Monaco.
    Kelly and Scooby Doo Murphy can argue to the high heavens about the kids being American citizens it will NOT change the fact that Kelly WILL be arrested and joint custody will be a thing of the past. In fact I won’t be surprised if the State Department swoops in and takes the kids while she’s whoring herself on television interviews. Kelly’s behaviour is highly disturbing and is a huge threat to those kids. I can only imagine the poison she’s feeding them about their dad.

  51. InvaderTak says:

    I’ve said this in a couple of these threads, but again, why has she not been ordered to get a psych evaluation?? She actually thinks her son is being brainwashed: ‘”My son, who’s kind of been brainwashed, said where he is is so much better, but he always says ‘Mama, I love you so much, you’re in my heart.” That tells me all I need to know. Her son wants to stay in MOnaco with his father and she thinks it’s because of brainwashing. I hope she gets arrested. Seriously. Enough. Any court that reviews the official documents should be able to see that there needs to be a swift and serious resolution to this, and that she needs to be stopped because she’s an awful parent.

  52. Corrie says:

    No more excuses to be made for her. Yikes. Feeling for her kids. Kaiser, the only difference of opinion I have is Daniel isn’t mister nice guy or innocent either. They both are playing vengeance with their kids at stake. Daniel does have the courts on his side but he’s definitely is a big of an asshole as Kelly. She’s won top spot though.

    • Ennie says:

      kicking the father out of the country took the cake.

    • cr says:

      Except, aside from what Kelly and her lawyers/supporters say, there’s no actual evidence that Daniel is an asshole.

    • Samtha says:

      What has Daniel actually done that makes him an asshole? The only moves he’s made in court are in answer to things Kelly herself has done.

      • morc says:

        People always go “They are both shit parents, Team Kids!” but never follow up with what he did.
        Apparently not manipulating them into hating their mother is not good parenting.

      • The Eternal Side-Eye says:

        You see that “Team Kids!” stuff with Halle Berry too, everyone says that his hands (Aubry’s) are just as dirty and yet can never explain why.

      • jwoolman says:

        Yes, I’m baffled by that also. What else could the guy possibly do to satisfy these people, other than dropping out of his kids’ lives forever? It’s obvious that he has not poisoned the kids against their mom. He wants them to know and love her. The original court felt they were both decent parents, but only the dad could be trusted to maintain the children’s relationship with the other parent. He is willing to share, she is not. Plus her actions to get his visa revoked mean 50/50 custody can work only if she travels to see the children in the stable residence he has established for them in Europe, in a place where his parents have lived since he was in his teens. She gets them during summer vacation, like many divorced parents.

        I haven’t seen anything to convince me he’s evil outside the home, either. If there were any substance to her accusations, Homeland Security would have detained him, not politely asked him to leave. But for HS, the mere suspicion is enough to move for visa revocation and he isn’t getting it back until Kelly admits she and her lawyer lied. HS isn’t going to bother investigating further, life is not like TV. He apparently monitors trademarks and patents for violations, which is a very legal occupation and is reasonable to do. Of course violators would prefer that there were no financial consequences for infringement, but legally there are and ignorance is unfortunately not an acceptable excuse in the law. So the “Daniel is evil” crowd quote disgruntled trademark infringers (who need to learn about trademark searches, very easy today) as proof of his moral turpitude. Really, people. Chill. Patent and trademark infringement disputes are common in business, infringers are not necessarily evil and people enforcing the patent/trademark protections certainly are not evil for doing that.

  53. Ennie says:

    They say at TMZ that she’s been ordered to bring their kids to court on Tuesday… I hope it does not become a circus.

    • Insomniac says:

      If she even does it, it’ll be Ringling Bros., Barnum and Bailey, AND Cirque du Soleil all in one.

    • original kay says:

      I just read that too. I truly wonder if she will comply.

      • Sam says:

        If she has been ordered to appear and fails to do so, the judge then has the option to issue a bench warrant and order the court officers to go collect her. If that happens, she becomes a fugitive and she can be arrested and hauled into court. If she has a single iota of brain cell left, she will comply. She’s already in defiance of one court order though, so hey, what’s one more?

        I genuinely believe that this is going to end badly. She wants to get arrested in front of her children (probably with a photog there, naturally) so it can be documented and she can then ramble about how her ex had her cuffed and manhandled in front of the children.

      • Ennie says:

        She SO does want to play the victim in her own created drama!

      • original kay says:

        I think that too, that will serve her need as “victim” in all this, a hysterical arrest or forced to hand the kids over to be returned to their dad 🙁

        those poor kids.

      • Lucky Charm says:

        Sam, if the judge does issue a bench warrant (and I see no reason why not if she doesn’t appear), would s/he also be able to alert Interpol, or would that have to come from the Monaco courts?

      • bluhare says:

        I’m starting to think she’s angling for a starring role in her own Lifetime Movie.

    • J.Mo says:

      It would be very cool if in the interests of the children’s well-being they allowed the father there under supervision to facilitate their return home to Monaco. It’s not as if he would be wanting anything in America on the trip aside from their emotional security and comfort.

    • Jessiebes says:

      She will probably twist it, saying that this is what she wanted all along – for this to be in a NY court.

      • Izzy says:

        Then she is completely selusional. She is going to court for commiting a crime. The court will not assert jurisdiction over the entire case just because of her unlawful behavior.

        Taking the analysis one step further, if I’m the judge in Monaco and I’m seeing how all this is playing out, particularly with the biased media coverage in the US, I’m now more inclined to assert jurisdiction in Monaco in order to ensure a more fair process.

        This could backfire in so many ways. The mind boggles.

    • meow says:

      Ennie, I think it’s too late to wish that. Hopefully the kids will be taken to Monaco.

      • Laura says:

        They will. When a judge summons an 8 and 6 year old to be brought to court, it means he’s NOT happy. She seriously pissed off the judge. She’ll be jailed and stripped of custody if she doesn’t show up.

  54. maren says:

    Kelly Rutherford

    Ordered to Court … with Kids
    Kelly Rutherford has a problem after declaring she will NOT surrender her kids to her ex-husband … a court has now ordered her to appear Tuesday … with the children.

    TMZ has learned, a New York judge just made the order at the behest of ex-hubby Daniel Giersch, who claims Kelly is a child abductor who has no right to keep the kids beyond the visitation period which ended last week.

    Kelly says she’s been to court in L.A. and New York and the judges in both states have said they have no jurisdiction over the case, therefore no one can order her to return the kids.

    Giersch begs to differ, claiming he has a custody order that’s legally binding on her, so she’s now nothing more than a criminal.

    The judge has said Kelly needs to be notified by 3 PM today about tomorrow’s hearing, but service can be accomplished by email or a secured message to Facebook.

    Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2015/08/10/kelly-rutherford-children-custody-kidnapping-court-daniel-giersch/#ixzz3iRRVJx3M

    I hope that means that the kids will og back to their father and that Kelly will only have supervised visitation. Because she can not be truseted with the kids. Last year she also did try to do the same crap as she does now, she did refuse to deliver the kids back when she should

    • claire says:

      This is just going to be a total circus. I feel so bad for these kids and Daniel must just be worried out of his mind about them right now. Everyone think good thoughts and hope and pray(or whatever you’d like) that she does not harm these kids any further. It’s very worrisome.

    • Becks says:

      Last year threatening to do the thing she DID do this year. Selfish and delusional, continually pushing the envelope, she shouldn’t be allowed the opportunity to take things even further next time.

      No next time for this woman.

    • Izzy says:

      So she claims jurisdiction when it suits her (doesn’t want the case to go to Monaco courts), then claims NO jurisdiction when it doesn’t suit her to have US jurisdiction (kidnaps the kids and doesn’t want to give them back).

      You did this crap in New York, so honey, you’re gonna get your wish, New York will now assert jurisdiction. I don’t think it’ll be the outcome she’s expecting. Because the ONLY other option is that Monaco now has jurisdiction. And I’m guessing that ends with a gormal request to State to have the kids returned.

  55. Pumpkin Pie says:

    My question is: can she go to jail over this?

  56. Sam H x says:

    It scares me to think what she could do to those children. God forbid no such thing happens. I pray they are safely returned to their father.

    Would they be able up bring the dad over under suprevision purely for the sake of returning his kids back to him and not some stranger.

    She is so heartless, not once has she considering what their father must be going through! Worried, distraught & stressed out for the wellbeing & safety of their children.

    GMA & Dan Abrams should be ashamed of themselves. The overall media should be ashamed of themselves too. They are punishing him for simply being a parent?

    The tide seems to be turning over at the Daily Fail. Thanks to these court documents floating around the interwebs.

    • Lucky Charm says:

      I’m getting a bad feeling, and I really hope that I’m wrong and she’ll show up at court tomorrow with the kids. From her Facebook, Instagram and Twitter accounts, it looks like she hasn’t been on social media since Friday morning. Since it was the weekend and Daniel wouldn’t have been able to do anything before today, that gives her plenty of time to abscond with the children before they were expected to arrive in France. She appeared via video in her GMA interview this morning, so who’s to say WHERE she really is right now?

    • anne_000 says:

      @ Sam H x

      I was thinking that too, about him coming over, but I think the grandmother can do it. I don’t think she’s under any travel ban and I’ve read that she has been living with them while they were in Monaco. So she would be a familiar face.

  57. Ruyana says:

    She makes Halle Berry look sane.

  58. Susan says:

    Didn’t the husband essentially abduct the children to Monaco from France? And not follow the original court’s orders to allow visitation? So I feel for Kelly even though this is a dumb dumb move and she is going to lose everything.

    • Becks says:

      Move along, folks, nothing to see here.

      Just someone sealioning.

      • morc says:

        You are right, sealioning is so insisdious, because it’s so hard to not engage.

      • Sixer says:

        I find it almost impossible to still my typing fingers! But that’s the evil of sealioning, isn’t it? But Becks is definitely right. Sealioning comments should just be left as little orphans within the thread (she says, adding another comment under the sealion).

    • morc says:

      If only there was a way to find some information in a convenient form.
      Like reading the comments or previous articles on this.

      • Tara says:

        😀 you celebitches make me happy.

      • cr says:

        But that’s too hard! Plus, those comments and documents might contain actual facts! Can’t have that!

      • The Eternal Side-Eye says:

        Agree with Tara, sometimes sarcasm just gets all the points across 🙂

      • Lucky Charm says:

        What?! Looking for the information, reading it AND comprehending? You sure expect a lot! 🙂 There are some people who choose to remain willfully ignorant and refuse to learn the facts. Sadly, they are probably like that if they vote, too. 🙁

      • morc says:

        I mean I get it, the very first posts on these where in favor of her, until people informed themselves on how she took him to court over potty training, not informing him on the birth of the daughter, not putting his name on the birth certificate (+ even after a judge ordered her too), her basically asking a hero to abduct them for her etc. etc.

        But seriously, 10 minutes reading the posts on this and the comments under them already gives you all the info in cliffs + all the links to the relevant court papers.

        And these people really only come here to sealion (great term!), never joining back into the discussion to discuss their new findings. NEVER!
        I have long felt that these people are either uninterested and impolite, what with stealing peoples’ brain cycles.
        Or they are plants from a certain someone, trying to change the narrative, rather hamfistedly.

    • jwoolman says:

      Wha?!? Read a Wikipedia article about the European Union, France, and Monaco please.

  59. Ana A. says:

    Wow. If anyone is able to speak German, you should watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0ZUusmXjgA It’s an old interview with Daniel Giersch and he talks about his childhood without money and how he was made fun of by richer classmates. He also talks how he wants to raise his (future) children with money to keep them safe, but mainly to turn them into well-rounded and responsible human beings, that don’t misuse wealth. Sounds very reasonable and sane. His children are lucky to have him as a father.

    • Tara says:

      Pure craziness! He’s obviously the devil himself. /kidding. Every way he presents himself pain tine picture: he’s smart, has a good work ethic, and wants to raise happy, healthy children. B@st@rd!

    • Kinta says:

      Thank you so much. He comes across as a really nice guy actually.

    • Kinta says:

      He actually talks about Kelly in the 2 part of the interview. He tells the interviewer how they met by accident. It is interesting because the whole talkshow is about money and status and how he was able to work his way up (his father was basically a blue collar worker)

      So he said he met Kelly in LA trough their common interests in sport (Daniel apparently is a runner). Its funny because he said they met and he was sweaty and in workout clothes and she could not possibly have known that he has money.

      He also said that in his mind there is a difference betwenn people who are born rich and people who have to work their way up and get rich. You can see it in the way, their kids handle money. And that it is verry important for him, that his kids are not just enjoying and spending money.

  60. Montréalaise says:

    TMZ is reporting that a New York judge has ordered Kelly to appear at a hearing tomorrow to answer the kidnapping allegations. We’ll see if she complies or continues to thumb her nose at the legal system.

    • anne_000 says:

      @ Montréalaise

      Thanks for the heads up on that info.

      Interesting. What is Kelly going to say now to the NY judge? Is she going to tell him/her that he has no jurisdiction? Ridiculous.

      I wonder if she is even in NY at this time.

      I haven’t seem any pap pics of Kelly and the kids out on media events this weekend like she’s been having them doing while she had them legally.

      Like I said before, is she now keeping them indoors with the curtains shut or traveling from one ‘shelter’ to another trying to keep one step ahead of the law?

      If she thought she was in the right, then how come we don’t see her out and about with the kids since she’s defied court orders?

      How come it seems like she’s hiding them from public view?

      • Lucky Charm says:

        She hasn’t been on social media since Friday morning, and her GMA interview this morning wasn’t an “in person” appearance, it was by video from her home (or someone’s home).

      • anne_000 says:

        @ Lucky Charm

        That worries me. It makes it seem like she knows she has to hide, which makes me think she’s put the kids in hiding too.

        🙁

      • notasugarhere says:

        My guess, from above. Either she will fail to show, or she will show without the kids and go to jail for refusing to give their whereabouts (if that is a legal possibility at this point).

    • cr says:

      The judge is Ellen Gesmer:

      “Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Ellen Gesmer granted Giersch’s writ of habeas corpus and ordered his lawyers to serve Rutherford with the time and location of the Tuesday morning hearing via email, sources said.
      If she fails to produce the kids in court, Giersch’s lawyers are expected to ask for an arrest warrant, one source told the Daily News.”

      http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/kelly-rutherford-responds-claims-abducted-kids-article-1.2320667

      Gesmer is the judge who told Frankel to stop wearing her daughter’s PJ’s:

      A Manhattan judge wants former “Real Housewives” star Bethenny Frankel to grow up — and stop wearing her 4-year-old’s PJs.
      “No more pajamas!” Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Ellen Gesmer told Frankel’s lawyer Allan Mayefsky in divorce court on Thursday.
      The judge was referring to a now-notorious picture the “Bethenny Ever After” star posted on Instagram in July.
      It showed Frankel, 43, wearing her daughter Bryn’s Hello Kitty PJ’s with a ruffled pink top, shorts and matching slippers.

      “It was done as a joke,” Mayefsky said, after indicating that he did not disagree with the judge’s directive.

      Gesmer was not amused.

      “It’s not a joke. Her child is not a joke,” the judge replied emphatically, explaining that she was concerned the image would be on the internet for a long time — well into the years when Frankel’s daughter can read and see the posting herself.

      http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/nyc-divorce-judge-bethenny-frankel-don-wear-kid-pjs-article-1.1961427

    • InvaderTak says:

      Excellent. Why hasn’t a judge ordered her to zip it to the press? Why no gag order?

  61. Sam says:

    What is everyone’s reasoning behind assuming Kelly is at fault/ doesn’t deserve custody? I’m not defending her, I’m just curious. From the articles I’ve read I felt sorry for her. Seemed like her wealthy ex is using his money/ power to hurt her by taking the kids. What am I missing? I haven’t really read that much so clarification would be great 🙂

  62. anne_000 says:

    By the way… everywhere I said 2012, I should have said 2013….

  63. Tiffany says:

    This bitch is going to become a martyr, and there are people out there who will encourage it. Shame on you GMA. No one gives a damn about those poor kids, this is just shock publicity and Kelly is lapping it up. She offically has a career.

  64. Chantal says:

    I think she resembles Rosamund’s character in “Gone Girl” and Rosmund. The shape of the face.

  65. Sam H x says:

    Watched the ABC clip of Kelly’s segment. I rolled my eyes so hard! Dan Abrams & ABC are a walking joke. Legal expert? Ha. Both him and Wendy Murphy must have graduated from the same circus monkey law college. I tweeted him on twitter in regards to the nonsense he was spouting on this case, he was like is that you daniel? LOL. He thought I was spouting nonsense and he hopes I was being paid for it. Oh the irony with this one! idiot.

    • cr says:

      Abrams was at one point a pretty decent legal analyst. Now, in reading what his opinions are in the Rutherford case, that education appears to have been thrown out the window.
      I do wonder why he’s doubling down so hard on supporting Kelly, to the point where he’s having to ignore actual law and legal rulings to come to his conclusions. Some of his opinions appear to be based on nothing more than jingoism.

      I didn’t realize he had become quite the online media entrepreneur:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Abrams#Abrams_Media

    • TotallyBiased says:

      Sam! I was just reading your tweets (someone I follow was tweeting Abrams) and I notice he ‘disengaged’ with you pretty darn quick–just couldn’t stand up to logic and facts, I suppose.
      Reading that tweet thread, found it interesting that a random tweeter who claims to have worked in Family Court ‘for twenty years’ tweeted that court documents don’t reflect facts.
      Well, there’s just no hope left for humanity if that’s the case! We’re supposed to get our facts from her and other anon tweeters instead, evidently–because they are SO much more reliable than court docs!

      • Sam H x says:

        I know right Totally Biased! I couldn’t believe what I was reading. Then I went on to her twitter profile, she is pro Kelly Rutherford and is lapping up the bias. So much for objectivity as a family mediator who has been working in the courts for 20 years? Her logic made no sense to me.

        As for Dan you are right Totally Biased he couldn’t stand up to logic and facts. What else could he say? Another tweeter replied to him why would Daniel need to tweet when he has Ms Hallin in his corner? Shut him up nicely. Silly us for not referring to her and other anon tweeters for our facts. Not.

  66. MindlessComtemplations says:

    I am confused. Has it ever been addressed on WHY she hates her ex sooo deeply? Her thwarted attempts at removing him from their kids lives seems like overkill.

    • Crumpet says:

      Of course. She has never been able to come up with a reason, beyond ‘They were born in America…’. If she had a good reason, we would have heard it by now.

  67. Jezza says:

    The TMZ and People mag forums on this is such a time suck. OMG! Ain’t nobody got time for that much blind stupidity.

    I need a drink…

    Anyway, Dan Abrams is kinda hot. That’s all I got.😕

    • TotallyBiased says:

      He WAS hot. Stupid and biased is a big turn-off. And if he isn’t being stupid on this subject, trying to imagine what could motivate him to support her misrepresentations is even MORE of a turn-off.

  68. Miss M says:

    To be honest, I think she left US with her kids… If she is still here, I think she won’t return the kids. This one loves the drama and media attention. I just hope she doesn’t harm her kids.

    • RahRahNo says:

      This is amazing, a site not spouting about poor poor Kelly, I love it. I hope she goes to court tomorrow so the children do not have to be a part of a manhunt. I would not put it past her to hide them though, she is just that kind of dumb. Any idea on what time she is supposed to be in court? I would not want to miss her last acting gig.

      • Miss M says:

        Many of us has followed this case for years and read the court documents. Also, some of the commenters kindly posted all the court info here.

        I don’t believe the time and place were disclosed to protect their kids. Her ex-husband’s lawyer has mentioned they want to deal with this as private as possible.

  69. Lissanne says:

    I think she’ll show up to court. That’s where the cameras will be. Attention is what she wants, not some life on the run.

  70. Sam H x says:

    Found an interesting court document which confirms that California no longer has jurisdiction over the children as Kelly doesn’t have sufficient ties with California under UCCJEA.

    Here is the link: http://www.harris-ginsberg.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/2015-07-23-Ruling.pdf

  71. frances egan says:

    they are US citizens maybe kelly can help their dad have temporary US residency and he can see them regularly getting him deported was not wise her lawyer should be fired for that dumb move

  72. Kelly No Victim says:

    Kelly Rutherford is no victim.. by all accounts, she is controlling and made statements to the media that she wanted to raise her children alone.

    Court documents show that the reason Daniel was deported is because Kelly (via her attorney) called the State Dept and Immigration. Then LIED and said Daniel threatened to kidnap the kids (now Kelly is the kidnapper!). Once Daniel lost his Visa, he cannot co-parent with Kelly in the US. So France was a logical place to give the children stability, and have 2 engaged parents in their lives. Daniel agreed to pay for a plane, give a residence and a car for Kelly to use in France when visiting the kids. Kelly would also get extended visitation, including visits with the kids in the US.

    The Court record goes on to say Kelly tried to extort Daniel by making a deal that if he promised never to see the kids again, she would make his legal problems go away.

    The Court ordered Kelly to sign an affidavit to support Daniel’s Visa being reinstated, and asked Daniel to resolve his legal issues. If that was completed, they may change the parenting time. Kelly refused to do her part.

    Read the details here: http://harris-ginsberg.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Statement-of-Decision.pdf