Kim Cattrall: The term ‘childless’ is offensive & implies you are ‘less’

Kim Cattrall

Kim Cattrall helped host Radio4’s Women’s Hour on the BBC this week, and the conversation turned to the everlasting war between parents and those who don’t have children. From what I have observed with my own friends, there’s so much judginess on both sides of the argument. Even when there isn’t a judgy attitude, both sides feel like the other is judging them, which makes things worse. I do have a kid, and I love her so much, but there are many days when it would be nice to have fewer parental responsibilities. So I perfectly understand why many women (those with or without careers) choose not to go there.

Cattrall spoke at length at those who place a stigma on women who don’t have kids (for whatever reason). She would prefer to be called “childfree” instead of “childless,” and she says her role as an aunt is just as maternal as any mother:

Her preferred term: “It’s the ‘less’ that is offensive – childless – it sounds like you’re ‘less’ because you haven’t had a child.”

She considers herself a mother: “I have young actors and actresses that I mentor, I have nieces and nephews that I am very close to so I think the thing that I find questionable about being childless or childfree is – are you really? There is a way to become a mother in this day and age that doesn’t include your name on the child’s birth certificate. You can express that maternal side very clearly, very strongly. I am a parent [too]. (She instead helped her niece though medical school and her nephew when he had a hard time joining the army.) “Those are very motherly things to do, very maternal things to do, very nurturing things to do, so I feel I am a mother of sorts.”

On deciding not to get pregnant: “I think for many women from my generation it wasn’t actually a conscious choice, it was a feeling of, ‘Well, I’m on this road, and things are going really well, and I’m very happy, and I’ll do it next year, I’ll do it in two years, I’ll do it in five years.” Later on, “I just thought, ‘I don’t know if I want it that much.’ I just believe, and have always believed since my 40s, that there are many different ways to be a mum.”

[From BBC – Radio4’s Women’s Hour]

I see why Cattrall takes such a strong stance in her “childfree” terminology. It probably does feel very freeing for many people to not have to worry about feeding, clothing, and taking tons of time to care for another human. Parenting is so hard, and anyone who doesn’t want to do it should never go there. In that vein, some people do want to become parents and cannot, so the use of “childless” also isn’t the most sensitive term to use. In a perfect world, everyone would stop worrying about everyone else’s lives, you know?

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  1. Darkladi says:

    Thank you Kim,

    Signed not for the lack of trying

    • Lilacflowers says:

      Ditto. Signed for those whose health issues destroyed all chances but still gets judged for choosing not to even though there was never a choice to be made.

      • vauvert says:

        Agreed, we seriously need to come up with better words or use the correct ones in some situations.
        I always cringe when I hear the term pro-life applied to narrow minded morons who want to control a woman’s reproductive choices, but couldn’t give a fig about what happens to said little life once she or he arrives into the world.

      • teatimeiscoming says:

        Vauvert, they’re increasingly referred to as “anti-choice” or “pro-forced-birth.”

      • belle de jour says:

        With you 100%. It’s the invasive assumptive that gets my back up, makes me sad, mad and sometimes even ragey.

        Also: no one’s ever felt morally deputized and compelled to say to me, “Well, I see you’ve chosen to remain GulfstreamG650less.”

      • Nat says:

        I agree with you, Vauvert! This quote from Sister Joan Chittister, a Benedictine nun, perfectly sums up what you’re saying:
        “I do not believe that just because you’re opposed to abortion, that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed. And why would I think that you don’t? Because you don’t want any tax money to go there. That’s not pro-life. That’s pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is.”

      • carol says:

        @nat. That was an awesome quote from sister Joan Chittister. Never heard of her

    • snakecharmer says:

      i agree. its mean to say that to women who have fertility issues and it does imply that ppl who choose to abstain from having children are selfish individuals.

  2. leigh says:

    Love her.

    • Watcher says:

      Me too! She’s great. This was one of my favourite episodes of Woman’s Hour, really frank and empowering.

  3. Dinah says:

    I completely agree. The decision not to have a child can be as beautiful and powerful as the decision to have one. We are gladly, proudly child-free, definitely not childless. Relationships without involving children can be extremely close. Many men admit they love that they are never “replaced” in the hearts of their female lovers.

    • Elisa the I. says:

      so much THIS! And she looks fab and happy!

    • Kosmos says:

      I totally 100% agree with Kim…..however, she’s saying she is a “mum” in other ways. I feel that a woman doesn’t even have to be a “mum” at all if she doesn’t choose to. And men don’t have to look forward to being “dads” if they choose not to. Child-free people have many advantages in that they are completely free to do what they wish to do without the added responsibilities involved in being parents. Also, many people absolutely love and prefer being parents or having multiple children, so there you go. Please give everyone the respect and right to be who they want to be. Years ago, it was “expected” that a couple would bear children and have a family, but that should no longer be an expectation, but a choice, just as any other choice.

  4. BRE says:

    I get where she is coming from. As a woman who has chosen not to have children I do feel that people make the assumption that I am selfish which someone who chooses to have children can be just as selfish. Also, I agree that you can still play a motherly role without having had children. The worst for me is when women with kids say I will regret not having kids or say things like “but who will take care of you when you are old?”

    • Jules says:

      I will be 55 in 2 days, I’m still waiting for the regret to kick in…………

      • BRE says:

        The other day my husband and I were watching some clip on youtube and I said “Isn’t he just the cutest little baby” and my husband has this serious look and says “NO”. I said “Oh chill out, I also like videos with cute monkeys in them, it doesn’t mean I want one”

      • Kitten says:

        But who will put you in a home when you’re old?

        😉

      • @kitten
        Lol. That’s what I was thinking. It’s a “thing” with my family….but my mom and her siblings pool all their money together each month to take care of my grandma. She has like thirteen other siblings, and her kids are the ONLY ones who a) don’t go to her house and expect free housing, free food, free utilities, etc….for months at a time….b) actually go see her without wanting anything…… The rest of her siblings kids treat them worse than the next door neighbors. And they used to make fun of my grandma for having a lot of kids (six)….when they generally only had 2 or 3…….so just because you have kids doesn’t mean they won’t take advantage of you.

      • Tiffany :) says:

        “But who will put you in a home when you’re old?”

        Exactly, Kitten. My boyfriend worked in a nursing home when he was a teen, and it really affected him. He always says, just because you have kids doesn’t mean they will be there for you. So many people get placed in homes and then are never visited.

      • BooBooLaRue says:

        @Jules – with you on this and have another fabulous trip around the sun!

      • Aunt Janet says:

        Never wanted children. Happiest day of my life was having a hysterectomy.

    • Lilacflowers says:

      As if having a child means they will take care of the parents in their old age. Some do. Some don’t. Some cannot. There are no guarantees in this life.

      • Wren says:

        No kidding. There’s nothing that guarantees that your kids will take care of you, and assuming they will, and conversely assuming that nobody besides one’s own children would be willing to help you in your old age is shortsighted.

    • BengalCat2000 says:

      I’ve gotten that too. I have a great group of friends and we look out and care for each other. The whole “who will look after you when you get old” crap pisses me off.

      • SamiHami says:

        Who says stuff like that? I’m coming up on 51 and have had my ovaries removed, so the likelihood of me becoming pregnant? Well…if i do you’d better start looking for a star in the east…

        Anyway, no one has ever asked me who is going to take care of me when I’m old. Now, I do tease my niece now and then and tell her that she’s stuck with me and her uncle as well as her parents, but that’s just kidding around.

        If anyone asked me that question I would have to give them some sort of smart ass answer. Talk about intrusive!

      • QQ says:

        My mom… my mom says stuff like that constantly, i’m involved and supportive of my sister’s kids and so on, and occasionally my No Thanks On Kids Having ass will bring them and keep em with me, she NEVER misses the chance to tell me; “you are so Good with Them but I Hope you accidentally get pregnant cause those are not yours, who will you have to take care of you when you are old, like we take care of grandma”

        A Nurse, Mother, A Nurse can do That, That’s nowhere Near a reason to procreate, neither is, “you’d be good at it”, or “To see what they look like I mean, you make a cute couple” or cause “you owe that to life to have at least one” – All solid as fuck reasons my Mother/uncles/cousin who stays verbally abusing her own kids/strangers have said to me

      • Tiffany :) says:

        I have dreams about having a Golden Girls situation. 😉 That sounds so ideal to me. I get to be Blanche.

      • JenniferJustice says:

        The last person in the world I want having to take care of my depcrepid old a$$ is my son and his possible future wife. I would not want that for him or myself. I see myself in a nice semi-independent living situation playing Euchre with the other old fogies. My son is not going to be changing my diapers if I needed to wear them, nor sponge bathing me. Visits would be nice and making sure I’m being treated respectfully. That is all I want from him when I can no longer take care of myself.

    • Eleonor says:

      I am 34, I have never dreamt of becoming a mother, even if a lot of people around me have said, and still are saying “you think like this, but one day”. I’ve been hearing this “one day” since I was in my early 20’s.
      I am happy in my life, I love my boyfriend and we are a family.
      I don’t judge people who have children, I think my bf will be an amazing father and I can’t wait to spoil the hell out of his little princess, but for me? No thanks.

      • Sea Dragon says:

        Is your bf having a child with another woman? I’m sorry- I don’t understand. Where is the baby that he’s going to father?

      • notasugarhere says:

        I was thinking “bf” meant her best friend vs. her boyfriend (two different men).

      • Eleonor says:

        Sorry: my best friend!

      • littlestar says:

        Have you ever asked them why they think there will be a “one day” for you? Lol.

      • belle de jour says:

        “…and still are saying ‘you think like this, but one day.’”

        This. My parents began this when they said, “You won’t be a liberal when you’re in your thirties.” Ooops. Then: “You won’t be a liberal when you have to work hard for a living.” Ooops. Then: “You won’t be a liberal when you own property and have to pay a lot of taxes.” Ooops.

        And now the one we will never (ahem) know: “You wouldn’t be a liberal if you had your own children to think about.”

    • vauvert says:

      Good for you BRE! Having kids is a lifelong commitment, and the argument that you do it so someone would take care of you in your old age is idiotic. My parents are in their late 70’s – early 80s and are still traveling and living their life… when they visit they like to go out and do stuff, and we’ll see what happens when they need assisted living, if necessary either my family or my sibling’s will take care of them for sure but that is not why they had us. It drives me batty when people assume that having children means free elderly care:-) No, it means decades of putting another person first, prioritizing their needs, making financial sacrifices and hoping that they become healthy, happy, well adjusted and good human beings.

      And I say this as a mother raising a child, too. I hope that hubs and I are in good health and able to help our son rather than the other way around – the way it’s getting harder to find jobs even with advanced university degrees, the crippling student debt, often coupled with young families just starting along, buying a home – he won’t be in a position to help his parents for a long time, rather the other way around, and that’s just fine.

    • paranormalgirl says:

      I have no expectations that the spawn will “take care of me” in my dotage. I would hope they would be off having fabulous lives and adventures.

      • thaisajs says:

        Ha, agreed paranormal girl. My mom is always telling me how my (now toddler-age) kid will take care of me when I’m older. Almost like that’s why I had her. Which is not the reason at all. I’d like to think she’ll visit me when I’m in the nursing home, but I’ll settle for a few phone calls.

      • Esmom says:

        Yes. And in fact I will do everything I can to make sure they won’t have to feel obligated. My parents put those expectations on me and my sister, in a passive-aggressive and guilt-inducing way, and it’s been a hard burden to carry.

    • noway says:

      I never get that response. If I understand this there is a whole group of people becoming parents just so they can have someone “take care of them” when they get old. Wow I bet there are a bunch of people disappointed at the lack of care they may be getting soon. Newsflash, your kids aren’t required to look after you. How about plan with other methods to look out for yourself, because life isn’t always guaranteed. I have a child, who I hope is a big part of my life when I get older, but if she is not I hope she is happy. My husband and her father died young so I may be unattached in my old age, but I plan for that scenario. I love my daughter and the experience of parenting is worth it to me and something I wanted, though not for everyone. I would not want her forced to feel like she must take care of me. Also, parenting is definitely not something anyone should feel forced to do. If it isn’t your thing move on and find your maternal side in other ways if you need doses of that.

    • littlestar says:

      I worked in a seniors home when I was a younger, and I have to say, it is usually the staff in the homes and the healthcare providers who take care of the elderly. Sure, families come and visit (some more than others, some not at all), but they still weren’t “taking care” of their families. Sadly enough, a lot of people think visiting the elderly equates to taking care of them.

    • sensible says:

      I believe those who do not replace themselves are wholly unselfish…selfish is having 7 kids when people such as David Attenbourgh are begging us to look at overpopulation. Just this week he co-signed a letter to The Times stating that everyday there are 10,000 extra people being born….we are an all consuming plague at this point. I have a child, and i feel good we stopped at one.

  5. Tanya says:

    I’d take her for an honorary aunt any day.

  6. dibba says:

    “childfree” means you are “free” that’s better.

    • Mispronounced Name Dropper says:

      I prefer to be free from the bondage of self. But that’s just me.

      • Miss Jupitero says:

        Parents are not necessarily free from the “bondage of self”– stop into Family Court sometime to learn more about this.

      • Mispronounced Name Dropper says:

        I was talking about my own experience.

      • Isabelle says:

        please….a child doesn’t change selfish people, its not something you just lose when the baby comes out. It doesn’t make you, better, good or free of “bondage of self”.

    • Ronda says:

      which then would be offensive to people with children.

      • PrincessMe says:

        Exactly what I was about to say Ronda. If “childless” is offensive to those without children (less = bad, apparently), the “childfree” is offensive to people with children because we’re not free (enslaved, maybe?).
        I don’t want to discount how she feels because I know some people can be awful with their judgement. But at the same time, they are just words (words that describe the situation) – she is childless (no, she’s not less than; and yes, childfree works as well). The words aren’t the problem, the people being jerks because she’s made a different choice are the problem.

      • sofia says:

        Yes, I was going through the comments and was going to add that. I’m not a mother, but “childfree” can also suggest that anyone who has kids is a prisoner of those circumstances. I actually don’t see a problem with childless. In my native language there isn’t even a word for it.

      • WillowS says:

        My husband and I don’t have kids and I don’t like the term “childfree.” To me, it sounds sort of hostile towards children and I think it can be off-putting to people with kids. I’m not a fan of “childless” either. I’d rather just say that I don’t have children. The vast majority of my friends, family and acquaintances have kids. It can be lonely being in the non-parent minority and the last thing I want to do is antagonize anyone. I like kids and would have had one or two if my situation were different. I’m 43 and I don’t think I’ll ever not feel ambivalent about it but I’m hoping as time goes on the sadness goes away. That being said, I ultimately feel as though it’s better that I did not have children given the circumstances.

    • Mary-Alice says:

      Exactly. By the same token she is using for “childless”, “childfree” implies that those of us who have children are prisoners of our lives. She should sit down and use whatever term suits her in her own environment. If someone says “careless” I don’t consider them “less” something like “bad”. So stupid. It’s a language structure, for Pete’s sake. It’s the attitude of people either way that makes a word nasty.

      • Mieke says:

        It’s funny that she considers the addition of -less to a word to have the same meaning as less on its own. The word construction -less literally means “to be without” and has a different etymology.

        Sometimes learning about your own language relieves you of so much butthurt *rolls eyes*

        http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=-less

        Love her anyway 🙂

  7. Betti says:

    I completely agree – I don’t have children and have never had that burning desire to have any either. I’m now at that age when my chances of conceiving naturally and problem free are dwindling and I’ve come to terms with the fact that i’ll probably won’t have any.

    Not having a child doesn’t make you any less of a woman.

    • TEAMHARDY says:

      @Betti exactly. Not having kids does not make you any less of a woman. I also find it unfair for people to ask a single woman “don’t you want kids?” The logical response is, “Well, I’m single, I live in an apartment, and I have just enough money to take care of myself and my dog, and go on one vacation a year, so no, at this point in my life, having a kid would be horrible.” It’s a loaded question and it’s unfair to those who are single, or married.

  8. minx says:

    I agree with her, and I have two kids.

    • Minnieder says:

      Mother of three here, and I completely agree with her. I’ve always admired her, she sets a great example for being a smart, beautiful, confident, classy woman.

    • Esmom says:

      Yes. And I’ll add that having those people in our kids’ lives makes them that much richer. It does take a village, imo.

  9. Astrid says:

    I get what she’s saying and agree that maybe “child-free” is a better term. However I’m not on board with the idea that she’s “like a mother” because she’s an aunt and mentors other actors. That’s not the same as having to raise children day to day – it’s not the same stress and pressure of responsibility. I’ll duck down now…..

    • paola says:

      It’s a choice.
      It’s not better or worse than having or not having chilldren. Life is not less hard if you have or don’t have children.
      To each their own.

      • Betsy says:

        I think studies actually bear out that being a parent is something that makes your life measurably more difficult when all other variables are the same. That doesn’t make people without children less valuable, but that is one less mega stress and expense.

      • Huh says:

        She didn’t write any of that, paola.

        Kim Cattrall is lovely in many ways, but mentoring and being a loving aunt are simply not the same as being a parent in terms of the sheer level of commitment and responsibility. I don’t get why that’s controversial.

      • MinnFinn says:

        Thanks for pointing that out paola.

        And Betsy do you have any links? I’m especially interested in what variables were measured.

      • Pinky says:

        @Betsy Actually, being married is what contributes to women’s early deaths. Men live longer when hitched. Woman check out early.

      • Betsy says:

        @MinnFinn – sorry, I’m too lazy to go looking. My two kids have taken it out of me. : ) There was a fairly recent news story about it, though @Pinky I certainly didn’t read the actual study.

    • 1979 says:

      Agreed, its not the same. She doesn’t have the day to day grind of raising a child nor the emotional roller coaster that parenting brings.

      Saying that I would love to see the term childless go out of fashion.

    • BRE says:

      I understood where she was coming from even if she didn’t maybe phrase it the best way. Sort of making it clear that you can still have a motherly relationship in your life without birth or adoption. I consider my best friend’s mom like a second mom. She saw me grow up even though she didn’t have the responsibility or stress of raising me.

    • InterestedCommenter says:

      No, but for some folks, that will be the closest to being a mother they can ever get. Yes, I know it isn’t the same and I’ll continue to realize that every day for the rest of my life.

    • Barrett says:

      Intelligently said.

      I have only miscarried due to health issue.
      She doesn’t mean to say she does as much work as a mother every day but you still have a maternal side and can express that w nieces nephews or younger children. You can’t get rid of that maternal side if you possess it.

      • Ash says:

        I think Kim meant that she assumes a “motherly” role when it comes to her nieces, nephews, and mentees. I think she worded that part strangely and wasn’t suggesting that she’s a bonafide mother.

    • AJ says:

      I’ve always loved this quote by Louise Erdrich:

      “Women without children are also the best of mothers, often with the patience, interest, and saving grace that the constant relationship with children cannot always sustain… Women who are not mothering their own children have the clarity and focus to see deeply into the character of children webbed by family. A child is fortunate who feels witnessed as a person, outside relationships with parents by another adult.”

      I think this is what Kim meant regarding her role as a mother, and course it’s different, but still incredibly important.

      • C. C. Cedras says:

        Thank you for this ^^^! I haven’t seen this quote before and it really strikes home.

        I was largely responsible for the care and upbringing of my 16-years-younger sister (and to a lesser degree my younger brother), and both of my siblings tell me they feel I was more of a mother to them than our own. Time, career and finally a hysterectomy at an early age took the choice away from me so I understand what Kim is saying about thinking that one day…and then it’s too late. And how a nurturing person can still feel integral to the lives of so many children and young people. I’ve no regrets.

      • Wren says:

        Yes, this exactly. No, it’s not the same as being a mother, but her role is nonetheless very important and IS an expression of maternal instincts and love. Children benefit enormously from interaction with loving, caring adults who are not their parents.

      • GoodNamesAllTaken says:

        That was really sweet, AJ. Thanks.

      • littlestar says:

        That is a beautiful quote.

    • Red32 says:

      I’m a mother of two, and I totally get what she’s saying. I think the only ones really offended by it are the “I am a MOMMY so I sacrificed all my nights out and am a chef, party planner, doctor, rocket scientist” and need that most important, hardest job ever crap as their entire identity/self-esteem.

      I didn’t become a parent because I want some special status or recognition. I did it because I wanted children and I love them more than anything, but if other people don’t want children or feel that type of relationship with a niece or student, well fine good for them. Why bother arguing who is “mother” enough? I’m happy with my life, they’re happy with theirs.

      • qwerty says:

        Yep, the one thing the militant mommies tend to have in common is that htey have nothing else going for them.

      • amarie says:

        I agree with you Red32. I became a mom, at a relatively late age, because I wanted to, and I love my child. I don’t think I am nobler or more of a woman because I chose motherhood. I agree with everything Kim said, and she seems like a good woman! She is helping and loving people. What could possibly be wrong with that?

    • Aren says:

      But it can become an endless list of who is really a parent and who isn’t. I know girls whose 3 or 4 kids are being raised by the grandmother, I also know a woman who works all week, and during weekends she is “childfree” and says that even if the baby cries she ignores it because it’s the dad’s responsibility to look after the baby on weekends.
      I also have a friend who works, the grandma takes the kid to daycare at 6:30 am, the grandma picks the kid up at 6pm from there, and the mom arrives at 10 pm, she says she’s very happy to be a mother and it’s like “really?, when?”.

      • Red32 says:

        It only becomes a list if you’re worried about other people’s business, and unless children are being endangered, I don’t particularly care. This is exactly like all the people who protested gay marriage because it shouldn’t be like their special straight marriage. In the end, one has no effect on the other. Certain members of one group just thought they were better and didn’t like having that (false) belief challenged.

    • HK9 says:

      @ Astrid
      I think the operative term here is ‘like’ she didn’t say she was a mother or the things she does was the same. She’s aware that being a mother to an actual child is different.

    • noway says:

      I think people on both sides are a bit sensitive about linguistics, probably because of the judgmental arguments both ways. I don’t think she meant to infer that behaving maternally toward your nieces, nephews and other younger colleagues is the same as being a parent, just showing maternal skills for a period of time. Which it is. In contrast I see her feelings about childless making a person without children seem less, but as someone pointed out childfree infers a parent is not free. I think her real issue is all the comments about why you don’t have kids that are bugging her. I think this question along with are you pregnant, should just be banned to ever ask a woman.

    • Cat'sMeow says:

      Yes, being an aunt and sending someone to medical school doesn’t make you a mother. She’s trying too hard to justify her decision.

    • leidub311 says:

      Perfectly said.

    • WillowS says:

      I agree @ Astrid and I’m not a mother. I’m a mentor to a teenaged girl and I babysit my nieces and one of my friend’s children. While I love them and feel maternal towards I’m not their Mom.

      However, if God forbid something would happen and I would need to take on full guardianship/parentage of a child/children then I would consider myself a mother as I would be raising them at that point.

  10. paola says:

    I agree with her. I am 36 and I have never felt the desire of becoming a mother. I love children very much but it’s just something i don’t want for myself.
    People with kids should stop being condescending with people with no children and viceversa.
    Every case is different.

    • Kitten says:

      36 here as well and is the same position as you. Agree with everything you said, particularly the part about peeps minding their own biz.

    • Wren says:

      I’ve never felt the desire either. I’m always tempted to ask people who insist I should want kids what it’s like to want kids. I honestly don’t know. I really like kids in small doses. I worked at summer camps with kids and that was awesome. But then they go home and that’s awesome too. Kids can really be a lot of fun, I just don’t feel any need to have my own. This may change, it may not.

      • Elisa the I. says:

        Me too. I love my nieces and really enjoy spending time with them but I never ever felt the desire to have kids myself. Luckily noone has ever bothered me about it, rather the opposite. From the comments I read on here there might be a difference between Europe and the US with this…

    • littlestar says:

      31 and I’ve also never had that urge or desire to have a child. I joke that I was born without the gene that gives a woman a “biological clock”.

  11. bettyrose says:

    Child free is a clunkier term than childless, but what’s the point of being defined by your parental status at all? I have a name. If titles matter, here’s my business card.

    • Catwoman says:

      I don’t think of it as being defined by status. When people ask me if I have kids there is often an awkward silence after I reply no. I have always interpreted that as them feeling a bit sorry for me because I couldn’t have children. When I then reply I am child free and not childless, that awkwardness goes away and we can move on. I don’t care what I am called but people often do interpret childless as “couldn’t have”.

    • Crumpet says:

      The term literally means “less child”. Sometimes I think people dream up ways to be offended.

      • MinnFinn says:

        Yep for the most part. Although I can see it might upset someone who wanted to have a child but was not able.

        So I have made a mental note that child free is the preferred term. But I can’t think of when in the past or future I will need to use that term. Seems like a thing for media style book.

      • amarie says:

        The only problem I have with childfree, is that implies some sort of infestation. Which for some people, having children would be the equivalent of having fleas!
        Likewise, childless implies a lack, of something necessary.

        Not-a-parent is neutral but clunky.

        But why must anyone be interrogated over something personal? I never was interrogated, before I had my one child. I know many people have and I dont get it.

    • GoodNamesAllTaken says:

      Yeah, I’m childless. I’m not bothered by the term at all. It doesn’t mean you’re less of a person. Child free doesn’t appeal to me because it sounds as if children are a burden. I asked my husband what he thought about this and he demanded that from now on I refer to him as “hair free.” Lol. I get what she’s saying and she can call herself whatever she wants, but I don’t think I need to go there.

      • Asiyah says:

        I agree, GNAT.

      • littlestar says:

        You bring up a good point, GNAT. People should be able to use whatever term they think suits them best, and if they want/feel the need to explain why they use that term to people, it is their prerogative (it’s also their prerogative to tell people it’s none of their dayum business! lol). My husband and I are “childfree” because we made the conscious choice not to have children. I like using the term childfree because I think it can do a good job of explaining to people that it is a choice, not a requirement.

      • WillowS says:

        Agreed @ GNAT

  12. Susan says:

    I find it ironic that we live in such a PC, guilt-inciting society about soooo many things…but shaming the child-free is the last remaining intact judgment if you will.

    • Mispronounced Name Dropper says:

      No. It’s quite socially acceptable to judge drug users. Particularly people who inject drugs.

      • paranormalgirl says:

        I know a woman who says that since she’s “fat and Catholic” (her words), people never seem to mind judging her.

    • Betsy says:

      Fat people get plenty of judgment.

    • GoodNamesAllTaken says:

      As I age, I see that being old is spoken of in very derogatory terms. When people on here want to put someone down, they ridicule them for being old.

      • Anne tommy says:

        Totally agree GNAT, ageism is a common ism.

      • Betsy says:

        Strangely, I think people abandoning the use of the word “old” is helping that, like people are afraid to in any way identify with being old. I can’t remember what I was reading, but a woman identified with being “55 years young.”

      • Crumpet says:

        Indeed. How many times have we heard ‘put on some pants grandma’ when we see an older actress in a bathing suit, shorts or short skirt? And yes, on this site. I am thinking specifically of Demi Moore.

      • Isabelle says:

        very true

      • chick b says:

        So true, GNAT. In fact I was thinking about this very subject (attitudes on aging) last night, remembering when I was a child it was beyond rude to make any references regarding someone’s age. Older members of our family were to be treated with respect for their life experiences and their knowledge gained.

        This is such a trigger for me now that I am a 50 year old woman. For example, I may have had a bit of an overreaction over the coverage of the Jenner car crash. The victim in the accident was 69 years old but in many initial reports she was referred to as “elderly”. Caitlin (Bruce at the time of the accident) is a mere 4 years younger, but no descriptor was given for Caitlin’s age. This is not personal towards Jenner – he had no influence on the coverage. But it did get me thinking – I am truly curious to hear the opinions of any 55+ male who has transitioned to female. With so many difficulties and misconceptions trans people already have to face, I would like to hear their points of view regarding ageism and if/how it has affected them after transitioning.

  13. Betsy says:

    I can certainly see where she’s coming from – childless just reminds me of some pitiful Victorian woman, and is just steps away from using the thankfully archaic “barren” – but “childfree” sounds like kids are a stone about the neck of the people who have them. How is it possible we don’t have a word that doesn’t imply judgment one way or the other?

    • BRE says:

      We do need a better word. If on says “I am a mother” it is just a description but not necessarily bad or good. On a similar note, we have the term orphan or widow but not a term for someone is has lost a child.

    • Lara K says:

      Why does it have to be a word? Instead of child free or child less, how about she has no children?
      We get so obsessed with labels, but not having children is not one thing. It could be a choice. It could be a tremendous heartache (if you want them but can’t have them, or losing a child). It could be just something that happened (like never finding the right partner).
      You can’t use one label for all that.

      • Betsy says:

        Because one word is a heckuva bunch shorter. Because, right or wrong, we tend to use labels. Because labeling a thing is not inherently bad. You are correct that there could be any number of reasons for not being a parent, like never getting the chance, loss – I have done some artwork for a company that sells care packages and items especially for mourning families – but generally if someone says “childless” or “childfree” my assumption is that they made a conscious decision not to have children.

    • sofia says:

      In my language (portuguese) there’s no word for it. It’s simply between “she is a mother/they are parents” and “she isn’t a mother/she doesn’t have kids/they don’t have kids”.

  14. Loopy says:

    Its funny who or how they choose to hound about having a baby people like Naomi Campbell, Janet Jackson never get asked why they don’t have kids but they used to bump watch Beyoncé everyday and constantly ask J. Aniston and Cameron Diaz.

  15. Keddie says:

    I find the term “childfree” offensive. Just because I have a child, I’m not free? (Jokes)

    I think this is a little over sensitive. I’m sure some people use the word in a negative way, but that’s the person not the word. No one should be judged for not having kids. It’s a personal choice.

    • LadyJane says:

      I agree. Everyone is offended by everything these days. If I don’t want to have kids that is FINE. I don’t go looking to be offended by everything in a world where most people DO have children. To say someone is childless just describes the fact that they don’t have children. Like I am also car-less, yaught-less, and botox-less – but thankfully I am not homeless.

    • Kitten says:

      I think you unwittingly proved Kim’s point though. The terms “car-less” or “yacht-less” puts the focus on what you DON’T have. It absolutely implies that you are less than or lacking something….

      I mean, the majority of humans have children and procreate. It would be a bit strange for the accepted normal majority to be outraged by a pretty simple request from the minority. As far as I’m concerned, the choice/ability to conceive/procreate is a very sensitive and personal one. I don’t blame child-free people for getting irritated by the incessant questions about their choices, the reasons behind those choices, or the implication that there is something wrong with those choices.

      • Mary-Alice says:

        Why are you using only those with negative connotation? How about “careless”? Have you heard anyone protesting it? I haven’t. Child-free is offensive to me as a parent. I am free as I was when I made the choice to have kids.

    • Wellsie says:

      I’m child-beholden! Just joking… I think. It feels like that some days. ; )

      I’ll say whatever people want me to. I get the creeps when jerks judge childfree peeps for not having kids, esp when they then start to ask “why? why? why”. Ugh. Just stap.

      I think it takes a lot of courage for ppl (women more than men cause society) who DECIDE not to have kids to go with their instincts. Seems like spawning is the default position for a lot of people, and society is worse off for it.

    • littlestar says:

      I always interpret the term childfree to mean it is a choice.

      • Ash says:

        Me too, which is why I use it. I don’t say it as a swipe against those who’ve chosen to have children. If they’ve chosen to have children, then cool. No one’s suggesting that they’re burdening themselves. I’m guessing most childfree folks aren’t sitting around obsessing over others’ desire to become a parent.

  16. Nancy says:

    Oh my once again people take these terms so personally. A woman who doesn’t have children is hardly wearing a scarlet letter on her chest. I never give a thought to my friends who chose not to have kids due to their own reasons or medical reasons out of their control. Life would be a lot easier if people paid attention to their own lives and let others do the same.

    • Nicolette says:

      Completely agree.

    • boredblond says:

      But wouldn’t this, and several other sites, cease to exist? 😉

      Just thinking..I guess I’ve heard the childless label used for couples (‘they’re childless”) but not really for a woman..seems an awkward odd statement.

      • Mary-Alice says:

        Same. Never heard a woman called “childless” but I also don’t care at all who has children, who doesn’t and in my environment no one will comment or make faces at whoever decided to not have them. I guess people who are so sensitive should change their environment with a more progressive one.

  17. Maya says:

    Being maternal is a feeling you either have or you don’t. It doesn’t matter if it is towards children, adults, animals etc if you feel responsible and caring and mentoring towards that individual, then you are maternal.

  18. bns says:

    Everything is offensive, water is wet, etc.

  19. sara says:

    I laugh when parents say that they had children, so someone will look out for them. If that’s true, then why the hell are nursing homes overcrowded or increasing? Yup, it’s because most children do not give a crap and will toss their parents out like yesterday’s trash when they get to be a nuisance. Maybe not everyone, but I know many people who could care less about their parents if no money is coming their way.

    I saw my parents care for my grandmother when she was ill. She lived with us and just by seeing that, I was there for my parents. If it is shown then it will be followed.

    P.S. I love Kim Cattrall and I would sit through another crappy SATC just for her.

    • BRE says:

      I can agree but I did feel blessed that I got to help my parents care for my grandmother in her final months. It felt like an honor to be a part of that.

    • Ronda says:

      “Yup, it’s because most children do not give a crap and will toss their parents out like yesterday’s trash when they get to be a nuisance. Maybe not everyone, but I know many people who could care less about their parents if no money is coming their way.”

      i really hope you are never in that situation. do you have any idea what it takes every day to care for someone in that situation? what strength it takes, what it does to your own and your families lives?

      i mean you wouldnt say the same thing about a mother who gives a child into childcare to be able to work, right?

      • sara says:

        Rhonda:

        I took care of my parents when they were sick, so I was in that situation. I bathed, fed and dressed my sick mother, so again, YES I know what it takes.

        I also saw people who could easily care for their parents and refused.

        Putting your kid in daycare and putting your elderly parent into a nursing home is quite different. I worked in nursing homes and I can tell you it is depressing, horrible and things are ignored. I have seen patients get treated like shit by both the staff and their parents/family. And YES I did do something about it.

        You apparently did not fully read my post because I said most NOT all.

      • Alarmjaguar says:

        Having a parent who has been seriously ill (had a massive stroke 3 years ago) it isn’t at all about not wanting to care for him or tossing him out like the trash, but acknowledging the enormous amount of care it takes. Given that we (my siblings and I live far away and have small children of our own) and my mother can not do it all by herself. We are incredibly thankful for the healthcare workers without whose support I don’t know what we would do!

    • Who ARE these people? says:

      Just a few things on elder care. If nursing homes are overcrowded, it is not because adult kids are throwing away their parents. Here are some of the many reasons people live in long-term care:

      – their medical needs are too great to look after at home…anyone’s home
      – they do not have anyone who can help…kids, nieces and nephews, friends. For whatever reason such as small families, geographic separation, economics, they were rotten people, or they have outlived the key players.
      – dementia esp. Of the Alzheimer’s type: they need special care and security measures

      Plus there are more and more older people and not enough supports for elder care. We don’t have enough facilities and it’s not like we couldn’t see this coming. We don’t pay support workers well enough and the field needs regulation.

      But please have a heart for adult children who are struggling every day to do the right thing, often at great sacrifice. Sometimes nursing home placement is the right thing to do, and caregivers stay on the job watching even then.

      • Isa says:

        I work in a nursing home and in my experience the people there are there for a very valid reason. I have always thought I would take care of my parents as they age and I have realized it may not necessarily be possible.
        Some residents can’t even move on their own. They need a hoyer lift simply to get out of bed and a shower chair that won’t fit into my doorway. There are people that start hitting you when you try to undress the for hygiene reasons. They need daily monitoring by nurses and there’s also the danger of falling.
        I have an in law that can’t leave the house. Imagine someone requiring so much of your care that you can’t leave the house, because that’s what she’s living right now.

      • Who ARE these people? says:

        Isa, you’re doing such important work – thanks for sharing your experience. This is one of those things people might not think about until they come face to face with their own family member’s needs.

        I need to add another point. Adult children don’t have the right to “throw” their parents anywhere or “stick ’em in a nursing home” unless that parent is deemed incompetent by the courts. The legal bar is set extremely high. A lot of frail older people are living in unsafe, unclean conditions to “maintain” (an illusion of) independence, and their kids are both aware and frustrated by the need to wait for a crisis to force the twin issues of competency and residency.

        As for uncaring adult kids, they exist too. Sometimes they’re just uncaring people, sometimes they are greedy, sometimes they are overwhelmed, sometimes they don’t have the money or the time. And sometimes they are not actually uncaring, but that parent was abusive and/or neglectful and their children are acting out of duty not love. From the outside, you don’t know the story and you can’t judge. We just have to keep people as clean and safe as possible, as free of pain as possible, with dignity and some caring connections, and help them on their journey. As a society, we’re not doing the best job of it, but it’s not necessarily because all the kids are selfish and greedy. And with an election coming up, one criteria on which to judge the (many) candidates is their approaches to the most vulnerable – kids, elderly and poor (especially as the former 2 groups are more likely to be in the last). We all start in one place and end in the other.

      • Alarmjaguar says:

        Also, now that we’ve been in this situation, I can tell you that there is a massive shortage of caregiving institutions and many, many of the facilities are run by for-profit institutions that do not have the patients’ best interest at heart. Healthcare providers are giving a certain amount of time to complete their tasks, whether they do or not, too bad, you’ve already spent your 15 min per patient per day. I get frustrated w/ the federal regulations on Medicare as well — if you aren’t progressing (but maintaining) you lose your physical therapy, for example.

    • HK9 says:

      Sara,

      My mom has Alzheimer’s and she’s in a home now. I cared for her until I couldn’t anymore. To tell me that I and the people who put their parents in care ‘don’t give a crap’ is simply not true. Don’t do it. You have no idea what it takes to care for the elderly because if you did you wouldn’t even think it much less say it.

      I now have health problems because of the stress it put on me. What am I supposed to do, quit my job and live on nothing? Who is going to care for my mom if I die (yes it’s that serious) you??? You don’t know my grief or my situation and for every person whose life has been altered by putting their parents in care F- off to you and your misplaced self righteousness.

      • GoodNamesAllTaken says:

        HK9, I am so sorry you found yourself ill after trying so hard to care for your dear mother. I always said I would never put my mother in a nursing home because I find them so sad, until my uncle got Alzheimer’s, and I saw my aunt and cousin try to care for him at home. They couldn’t. It wasn’t safe or fair for anyone. He became violent at times and could have hurt them or himself, he escaped despite their best efforts and once drove the car – it just wasn’t possible. I know how hard you tried and how much it cost you to make the RIGHT decision to let others take over the primary care for your mother. What Sara said was unfair and untrue.

      • PrincessMe says:

        ((HK9))

        I’m sorry you’ve had to go through that, must have been a difficult decision. I’ve never been through this personally, but I’ve heard the stories and they’re heartbreaking. All the best.

      • HK9 says:

        @GNAT & PrincessMe

        Thanks for the encouragement. 🙂 One thing I learned through this experience is not to judge the decisions of others and to step back when I find myself doing it. I realized I have no idea what people are dealing with so when I get to the 3rd floor where my mom now lives, I realize I have two choices

        1. I can choose to smile at the other residents as well as the staff (because they are so loving with the residents) because in that situation every smile counts.

        2. Or I can choose to feel sorry for myself and get depressed

        I choose to smile. 🙂

      • Who ARE these people? says:

        GNAT et al, thanks for sharing, it’s true we don’t know what we will do until we’re in that situation.

        One more thing to share – older people will ask their kids to promise not to “put them” in a nursing home. It’s a promise that’s creates problems because we never know what will happen. So – older people – please don’t put your kids in that position. Younger people – please don’t feel you have to make that promise, it could come back to haunt you! You can say, “I can’t promise that because we don’t know what the future will bring, but I can promise never to abandon you.” And then – don’t abandon them. Do what you have to do the best you can.

        Hate to see elder care turn into the new child care, another way to divide women over doing what has been defined as women’s work. The problem is an objective lack of social support for long-term care. Let’s attack that, not one another.

    • Betsy says:

      That’s a deeply unfair statement not reflective of the kind of care that end of life issues needs sometimes. My parents aren’t to that stage yet, thankfully, but only one of my grandparents ended up in a nursing home for longer than a few days (they died before hospice became as much of an option as it is now), and the one who did end up in a nursing home for a few months did so because his dementia caused him to wander.

    • Crumpet says:

      It sounds like, in your case, there were several people available to care for your grandmother. That is not often the case. As HK9’s story illustrates, being the care giver of an ill loved one takes an enormous emotional and physical toll, especially when it involves non compos mentis types of illnesses like Alzheimer’s. If you are the only person doing it, it can wreck you.

      • Isa says:

        Thank you. Sorry for all the typos I was getting ready to go to work.
        I am a COTA and I love my job. It can be really sad at times because the end of life stage can be full of struggles. It’s not sad because the residents in the nursing home I work at at neglected, they’re very well taken care of. We have an activities director to keep them busy (they love bingo!) we take them to community events when possible, someone brings a dog once a week, when I left work tonight there was a church band playing familiar hymns for them. A patient mentioned that she used to get her nails painted so tomorrow I’m bringing paint to do her nails.
        Are there elders who are abandoned by their families? Yes, but we are their family now. Are there elders who are kept at home without the proper care just so someone can keep collecting their SS checks? Yes, and i can tell you which one makes me more sad.
        Hk9 please do not feel bad. You have done the best you could. I’ve met with family members just like you, afraid of being judged and dealing with enormous guilt. I see the stress my in law is under to take care of her husband, who is becoming paranoid. People often think of people losing their memory but they don’t realize how that a person can become violent, upset or a danger to themselves. I’ve had people swat at me, yell at me, try to get away from me while forgetting their hip is broken and they have weight bearing or hip precautions while I’m simply trying to change their soiled clothing. I’ve seen people that constantly wander.
        Then you add in the emotional aspect where you have to adjust to the fact that the person you love is changing forever and nothing will bring them back. I’m getting emotional now and I just want to give you a hug.
        Many people still need to work while their parent needs round the clock care. My in law is retired but she can’t leave the house now. My husband took him out to give her some time to run errands and take care of herself. I do see the similarities to daycare, except that adults are not as portable as children.
        One thing I have learned is that when we build I want our house to have a universal design. So many doorways without clearance for wheelchairs, bathrooms without the spot to put guardrails, and stairs that make it impossible to even enter the house.

  20. n says:

    Well, to have or not to have a child is very much based on your own choice – whether you are forced by means of your health issues or you decide not to go the parental way. It really just depends on the person.

    Being judged if you have kids or if you don’t is extremely offensive.

    However, I don’t think the term child-free is soo empowering – maybe for some but that term also implies that kids are bad and those who do not have them are “FREE” as opposed to those who do.
    I just think there should be no labels – we are all equal as human beings and that’s it.

    • EN says:

      I don’t like the term child-free. It make it sounds like children are burden. It is like “carefree”.

      • lucy says:

        Tough call. My first inclination is to embrace the term “child-free” for the reasons Kim C stated, but I understand @EN’s viewpoint, too. Children are a responsibility, and some may consider that responsibility burdensome.

        Comparatively, I have experienced judgement from people who have kids who assume incorrectly that since I have no children I don’t have burdens, that my life is automatically easy and burden-free. Or, that it’s selfish not to have kids. UGH!

        One could just as easily argue that it is selfish TO HAVE children.

        What I have learned is that everyone’s lives are not always what they appear to be. I project the version of myself I want known, which is not usually focused on my darkest burdens. It is unreasonable (and often inaccurate) to impose judgement on others for whatever you presume their situation to be or not be!

    • Crumpet says:

      I like infecundity myself. (jk)

  21. Mimi says:

    Not a huge fan of Kim, but I agree with her. If a woman doesn’t want children, than she obviously would consider not having children a freedom. She wouldn’t think of it as a diminishing of her femininity or worth.

  22. Zapp Brannigan says:

    I love Kim, she seems like a very interesting person.

    When my 17 year old niece got pregnant my sister rang to tell me and also to inform me that at 30 I was being “left behind” and should also have a baby pronto. I was being shamed for being 30 years old, college educated and a home owner who supports herself. She was celebrating the fact that this 17 year old was dropping out of school to have a child by another 17 year old who was now running away like Usain Bolt. I told her to shove it up her a$$, and I was done explaining myself to anybody.

    Ladies I highly advise you to tell people to shove it when these kind of questions arise. The look on her face was priceless.

    • Who ARE these people? says:

      Ties nicely into Helen Mirren saying if she were young she would tell more people to f**k off. Good advice! Boundaries!

    • WillowS says:

      Omg-I feel sad for your sister, your niece and your great niece/nephew. That’s pathetic. If I had a 17 year old who was pregnant and dropping out of school I’d be devastated.

  23. Jessica says:

    I’m not a parent, and I don’t like kids, but…

    What about other “less” words? Like fearless? Are people who are fearless less than people crippled with fear because they don’t have fear? I understand where she is coming from in that women without kids aren’t less than women with kids, but her reasoning for why she doesn’t like the term childless doesn’t make much sense to me. Just because a word has the suffix “less” attached doesn’t make it negative. It just means you don’t have the thing the suffix is attached to.

    Also, no, being a mentor or an aunt is not the same as being a mother. There are so many things mothers have to deal with with their children that aunts or even grandmothers just don’t. Again, I’m not a mother, but I am a child of a mother and I do have aunts and a grandmother. And let me tell you, I always acted so differently with my mother than I did with my grandmother, aunts, cousins, everyone. My mother got a lot of shit that no one else had to deal with even when I was staying with those other people for extended periods.

  24. Childless and Happy says:

    I for one thank my lucky stars daily that I don’t have children. I don’t judge those that do, but I never wanted any, ever.

  25. Sirsnarksalot says:

    Honestly, I take offense at the whole “if you don’t want to take on the responsibilities of a child…” Do you honestly think women without children have responsibility free lives? Or that those with children have more? People do not to have kids because they don’t want to. Not because they can’t handle the responsibilities or because it somehow will make life more “carefree”. That’s a delusional fantasy mommy’s have when they feel overwhelmed. Believe me, without children your life and responsibilities can very very overwhelming.

    • Miss Jupitero says:

      I know very very few people…. hmmm, come to think of it, i cannot name even one… who have “responsibility-free” lives. Everyone has sh*t going on, but the grass always seems greener on the other side of the fence, and it is easy for some people to be hostile about that.

      I say the same thing btw to people who talk about stay-at-home moms as “retired into marriage,” as if their lives are simple and easy because they don’t go to an office every day.

    • Betsy says:

      Sirsnarksalot: I don’t think anyone believes that living without children is completely carefree, but having been on both sides of the issue – not having any and then having children – I can assure you that it’s no “delusional fantasy mommy’s have when they feel overwhelmed” that children increase the stress in your life.

    • Ash says:

      I’m a never married, childfree woman and my life is hardly carefree. I’m not sitting on a pile of money and jetsetting all over the globe.

  26. Zip says:

    I don’t care about the term. What I still find annoying is that women without children still kind of have to explain that they are in some way maternal, take care of someones’s kids now and then and like children. As if someone who just does not want to spend their time with kids is a total freak.

    • GlitterTears says:

      Yep! I think, unfortunately, that the message that women are inherently supposed to be mothers or at least maternal is still preached to us. It was literally preached to me from the pulpit (grew up Mormon, for what it’s worth). And my own mother has stated to me that she finds something wrong with women who don’t have kids. Grant you, that was before anyone knew I would grow up to be infertile! But, if I do an honest assessment of the women I know, I’d say only about 60% of them possess that maternal characteristic.

    • littlestar says:

      I have no kids and I am very maternal – to my cats, that is :).

  27. Tdub30 says:

    I LOVE what she says. As a mother of four I can fully appreciate ones desire to be free. I can also appreciate the apprehension people have to bring kids into the world particularly in these times we live. I adore my children and *that* is what sometimes makes life hard.

    I applaud whatever decision a person makes for their own life…because it’s theirs.

  28. Regina Phelange says:

    Childfree people love to talk about being child free. Parents love to talk about their kids. I find all of them offensive.

    • xmas in july says:

      x1000000000000. Every one of these threads usually turns into a battle, with everyone needing to feel superior in some way.

      That’s okay, thanks. Don’t talk about your kids or “being childfree”. No one, no one, no one cares that much about it, except for you.

    • Miss Jupitero says:

      I really weary of the “childfree” crowd only because they are so often really hostile toward children, which I find inexcusable. I say this as someone who has consciously chosen not to have children– I have rather good, responsible reasons, but I also happen to really like children.

      I also weary of parents who treat their children as ornaments to their egos, or live through their children, or act as though they are the first people on the planet to ever have children. It’s your life, it’s huge, it is all-consuming, I get it…. but yer not Mother Theresa my dear, so give it a rest.

      • Kitten says:

        Really? My experience has been the opposite. I have a few very close couple-friends who have made the intentional, conscious choice to not have kids and all of them absolutely love kids. They’re all aunts/uncles and are very involved in the lives of their nieces/nephews.

      • platypus says:

        When you say hostile towards children, you actually mean they have been more cruel/rude to children than people you know who have kids? Or they just don’t like them and aren’t great with them? I’m just curious, because that sounds really strange. I honestly don’t enjoy being around kids at all, but I’ve never treated a child with anything but respect, btw.

      • littlestar says:

        I think some can be, but not all of us. I do love my nieces and nephews and friends children. Strangers kids, I am pretty much neutral on (unless they are brats, and then I silently judge the parents for not parenting properly lol).

      • Betsy says:

        I know exactly who you’re talking about. Not all people who choose not to have children, the people who proclaim loud and often they’re “childfree.” There are some people who really are child hostile. They’re the same people who give my – silent – child the stink eye when we go to Target or other similar places where children have every right to exist.

      • Celebwatch says:

        Thank you, I agree very much. I think the problem is really our society as a whole, however, as children are just not regarded lovingly. Everyone I know who travels abroad–Europe, Latin America, Asia— comes back talking about how excited people on the street are to see their little kids. People let them go to the front of the line, etc. Small allowances are made constantly for the children.

        Here, people regard you and your kids as a nuisance in public, even when they are behaving themselves. It’s part of our capitalist culture, I believe, where only those who are ‘winners’ (i.e., successful workers) matter. Of course there are other dimensions to it too, which I’ll leave for another post.

    • funcakes says:

      If you have children and happy. Great! I like watching families enjoying each other’s company. But on the other I like going home to my fur babies and enjoy the quiet.
      Why can’t we be happy about other people’s choices?

  29. platypus says:

    I agree. I’ve never wanted children and I’m quite sure I never will, the pitying and demeaning remarks you get for expressing such is SO infuriating, I don’t even have the words. I really thought the childfree people around the interwebs were exaggerating about this, but you’re right, you’re all right.

  30. funcakes says:

    Parenting is a lifelong responsibility. Anyone with a child knows it consumes every second of your life. It calls for sacrifices, selflessness and an over extraordinary amount of patience.
    This is why it breaks my heart to read on news websites that a child has been brutalized, neglected or murdered by someone who put so little thought into having child.
    People think that just because they’re together and in love is grounds enough to have kids. Then it’s five years later,the relationship has deteriorated and the child is left in the middle or abandoned by one or both parents.

    When you have a child you should have a solid foundation. Ask yourself is this the partner you want to be with for the rest of your life? Are you both stable mentally and financially? Do we have similar views on life, religion and child rearing?

    Every aspect of your life must be reviewed and analyzed or else you will do a great disservice to an innocent human being who needs you to be their moral compass for the rest of your lives.

    • PrincessMe says:

      I just have one question for you, funcakes, are you saying I do not have a self? Eh?

      BTW, I do agree with you that people really need to think about the choices they make. A lot of people I know didn’t make the choice to become parents, it “just happened” (including my own mother, who I didn’t grow up with). I didn’t want to be that person, so I made decisions. I’m pretty sure I interviewed my DH on everything under the sun. What did I learn? People are idealists, and you never really know for sure how you’ll handle a situations until you’re faced with them. I’m still happy that I made the choices I did (and we have a happy little family), but you never really “know” (if that makes sense).

      I would never judge someone for deciding not to become a parent, and I’m not sure that the majority of society does that (at least I hope not). I just think that when you have a negative experience, it may start to feel as if that’s the norm.

    • Crumpet says:

      I always thought that if I decided to have a child, I would never regret it. That is actually not the case (sadly). You are never truly free from the moment of the child’s inception until one of you dies. And if my child dies before me, I shall not be long behind. It is surely not an endeavor for the faint of heart.

      Sorry guys, I guess I’m a little down today.

  31. LilyLizard says:

    As someone dealing with infertility I felt compelled to write my first comment ever because of your last two sentences, YES YES and YES. Thank you for thinking of us, mentioning us and well not being an asshole.

  32. Isa says:

    We have too many people out there having babies that shouldn’t have. I will never understand why women that know what is best for them and doing the responsible thing get judged.

    • paranormalgirl says:

      because there are people out there with nothing better to do than to judge others.

    • Betsy says:

      I don’t know about you, but the people I know who are childless by choice are some of the most stable, well-educated, exciting, caring people. There are so many people who have kids accidentally or just because it’s what they think everyone does that it’s hard to see people who are so wonderful not have kids.

      That said, I fully trust people – women and men – to determine the course of their reproductive lives. No one should be guilted, coerced or nagged into parenthood.

  33. SunnyD says:

    I love Kim Catrall. She is such a smart and funny woman and her “Who do You Think You Are” episode was a heart-warming hour of TV .

    I couldn’t agree more on the childfree point. I don’t have children (yet and I want have them) but come from a large Irish family where kids were and are always around so there is no “less” in my life. I became a godmother when I was 16 and would walk into a burning building for my goddaughter and my infant niece and nephew (who I probably see more of than a lot of parents see their kids) and my small cousins. I have friends who had pretty much no exposure to children before their own were born and can’t understand how I know what to do with their babies. It takes a village and all of that.

  34. GlitterTears says:

    I get what Kim is saying about “still being a mother”. I think she’s smart enough to know that she is not actually the mother; the one who the kids run to when hurt, the one cleaning up the poo when the boy (it’s always the boy, amirite?) decides to go somewhere other than the toilet. BUT women without children can still be maternal and motherly. I just lost a dear, dear woman to ovarian cancer and she exuded mother-ness. She was so warm, caring, and supportive. But she wasn’t technically my mother.
    I think a lot of people get the message from their society or culture that a woman’s role is to be mother. Yes, even in this day and age! And Kim was saying even those of us without kids can still fill that maternal role. Don’t dismiss us just because we don’t “own” any kids.

    • Zip says:

      “I think a lot of people get the message from their society or culture that a woman’s role is to be mother. Yes, even in this day and age! And Kim was saying even those of us without kids can still fill that maternal role. ”

      That’s what I’m pointing out in my comment above. This is horrible. Why would a woman have to fill that role? Is a woman worth less when she does not fill any maternal role at some point? I don’t think so.

      There’s also nothing wrong about not liking children (some other thing that woman without children have to point out all the time .. “I don’t have any of my own but I love kids!”). Why?! This does not mean that someone is an asshole or unkind to other people’s children. They just don’t care.

  35. Esteph says:

    Bedhead I think you hit the nail on the head. I feel the same way as Kim does in terms of being an aunt, I love my nephew so much, but I am coming closer to the realization that I might not want to have a/kid(s), and my family is OK with that decision. What I hate though, which Kim points out, is that the term childless is viewed as being inferior to someone who does have a kid, and that is annoying to be honest. Why can’t we be supportive of those who choose to not take on the responsibility of being a parent? I can say for myself that it is a part of selfishness and need to do my own thing which is why a kid would not be good in my life. IMO

    • Naddie says:

      Your situation and feelings are just the same as mine. Being an aunt is awesome. In my country, the expression “end up as the auntie” is taken as curse for women, still I’m loving it. If I’ll regret later, I don’t know, and in the meantime I’ll just enjoy them.

  36. Dee Kay says:

    I am 42, married, and childfree. My husband and I definitely like being (we hope) a great Uncle and Aunt to our zillion nieces and nephews and some friends’ kids besides, and that is our sweet spot vis-a-vis kids. I think there is a universe of difference between aunt-ing and mother-ing a human being, and many years ago, I sensed that I would be great at the first thing and terrible at the second thing. My mother, an incredibly gifted woman who was the main earner in our family all of my life, was a very angry mother — and with six kids running around, who could blame her? I love my life and I love how I have children in my life…which is to say, occasionally!

  37. Naddie says:

    I disagree about maternal and mentoring being the same of motherhood, but it’s complex because yeah, you can experience motherhood by taking care and loving children that are “not yours”. Does it make sense? Well, in my mind it does.

  38. L&Mmommy says:

    Maybe it’s because I don’t frequent other message boards all that much, but I don’t see anybody judging women who chose not to have kids. Read the message on this thread, the only people I see wilding out here are the child-free. Just saying. And by the way parents could take the term “childfree” as offensive because it implies that you are “not free” when you have children(which is true by the way, for me anyways lol.)

    • Mary-Alice says:

      Yeap, that’s always the case here – the childless are the loudest. In real life, most people couldn’t care less what they will or will not have and have zero time to discuss them. From where I stand, Cattrall only proved that she actually cares a lot a out not having kids but that’s hef problem to face. When one is comfortable with one’s choices, one is not burthurt because their life is good.

  39. Andrea says:

    I am 34 and have been with my boyfriend for 8 years. I am contemplating leaving him but at my age, most men tend to want children(I have found). I also would prefer they were never married and don’t already have children. I worry I won’t have as much of a pool to select from. I wish there was a childfree dating website. LOL

    • captain says:

      Andrea, I could give you some advice from my experience. I had a requirement too, though it was not a childfree marriage. You really don’t need a big pool of candidates, just one person, who will be perfect for you. If this person likes you, then it doesn’t matter, how many wrong or not so perfect men make a contact with you. You need just one.
      If a man has a child, sometimes he pays child support and sees the kid on weekends. You won’t feel it when you date at all. When you live together, you don’t have to become a step-mother, if you don’t want to, you’re just his father’s wife. Of course, you are friendly when the child stays with you, but that’s all that is required, really.
      Also, some men, especially serious and responsible ones, will never date a woman, who lives with a boyfriend. So if you are looking for these qualities in a man, perhaps it is up to you to make sure you are an acceptable dating option for them.

      • Nayru says:

        I couldn’t disagree more with your assessment of dating someone with a child! If the child is young and still in need of care you are a bad partner if you are just “dad’s wife”. If you are seriously dating someone with a child, that child must be accepted as part of the family too. Never mind that who you date must be constantly in touch with the mother of the child which might be a complicated relationship. Do you really want to be competing for time with your significant over with his children who you just tolerate? That’s just terrible!

  40. Other Kitty says:

    I’m glad she said this. I have no children, I am 45 and married, and the way she describes why some women of her generation have no children is exactly what I experienced. But I am frequently made to feel as though I am less because I don’t have any children. And I also have been asked several times, “but who’s going to take care of you when you get old? ” newsflash! There are no guarantees that your kids are going to take care of you when you get old. I would certainly hope that that is not the reason why people are having children. I also feel that it’s very insensitive towards people who are not able to have children.

  41. Miss Jupitero says:

    Fun fact:

    One of the best writers out there on community, parenting, and the well-being of children would absolutely be Jean Liedloff, author of the Continuum Concept: In Search of Happiness Lost. It’s a classic and I highly recommend it.

    “The two words that I’ve arrived at to describe what we all need to feel about ourselves, children and adults, in order to perceive ourselves accurately, are worthy and welcome. If you don’t feel worthy and welcome, you really won’t know what to do with yourself. You won’t know how to behave in a world of other people. You won’t think you deserve to get what you need.”

    Interview: http://www.continuum-concept.org/reading/human-nature.html

    Guess what? She never had children herself. She was immersed in families, but just did not happen to pop out her own.

    Oh dear! People who don’t have children are never a part of anything! I guess we will have to throw away and discount everything she had to say!

  42. trickgirl says:

    Wow I saw Kim’s picture and I thought it was Leann Rimes and got all giddy thinking is was a story about her. This word police stuff is so boring. You say potato……

  43. EN says:

    I think only people who want children should have children. Raising children is very hard. Even for people who actually wanted children.
    I can’t imagine taking care of children if someone didn’t want them to begin with.
    That would be very damaging to both the adult and the child.

    So, no judgment from me towards those who don’t want to have children.
    They are making the right choice for themselves and society. And there are many ways to find fulfillment in life. Maybe a clichéd example, but mother Teresa came to mind.

    But I don’t like the term child-free either. What do we call men who don’t have children? Is there a term?

  44. luffy says:

    I actually think its insulting to actual mothers to say that being an aunt and mentoring people is the same thing as committing to raise another human being and being responsible for their welfare. I also think its silly to complain about the term childless. obviously it just means that you are without a child. it sounds to me that shes not very secure in her childless identity to make such a silly point. if you dont want children i think thats fine, but no you are not a mother, no being an aunt or mentor is not the same as being a mom, and sorry im not going to coddle your feelings of inadequacy and go out of my way to not call you childless.

    • HoustonGrl says:

      Maybe you’re right and it’s certainly not the same degree of sacrifice. But imagine what a beautiful world it would be if we all saw ourselves as mothers and fathers to young people. It would be a much more nurturing, supportive, caring place. And it would take some of the burden off the 2-parent model. It’s tribal and it’s our nature (it takes a village). I haven’t been blessed with children, but I feel my nieces, nephews, and godchildren are the next best thing. I think that’s what Catrall is implying.

      • Anne tommy says:

        HoustonGirl, that sounds lovely and I don’t disagree. But parents have to play bad cop sometimes too. That’s part of being a good parent. Aunts and Others don’t do this, nor should They. They can concentrate on the funStuff…

    • Josefa says:

      I agree and if your username really is a One Piece reference you might as well be my favorite person in the internet today.

    • Mary-Alice says:

      Totally agree that she only proved she is insecure. Just wrote it above that when one is OK with one’s choices, there is no butthurt behaviour and hers is definitely butthut.

  45. Josefa says:

    Eh, I seriously can’t figure out how someone could be offended by a word and not by other when they both mean the exact same thing. “Flawless” means without flaws. “Careless” means without care. “Childless” means without children. And that’s it, really.

  46. saywhatwhen says:

    Judging women unfavourably, negatively, derisively for not having children. Is this a thing? I ask out of genuine interest because I do not know any one person or group of people who do this. I mean even on this blog I have never seen women launch a takedown of another woman/women for not having/wanting children. Are women doing it to each other? Is it the men? Is it older women (60 plus) doing it? Genuine question: who is doing the judging?

    What I have seen plenty of is women judging other women for the means, method or process by which they go about getting pregnant or mothering their children. Makes one feel hugely inadequate and I usually reach for my middle finger and shove it into the stroller-mafia’s face. It works. They leave me the hell alone around my neighbourhood.

    So I would tell the women who do not have children to stick up a middle finger the next time someone hijacks their uterus.

    • Mary-Alice says:

      It’s not a thing anywhere I’ve been. They just like ro play victims online. Drama.

      • Neah23 says:

        Wow what a ignorant comment. I’m glad that you can speak for everyone and have been everywhere to know that it doesn’t happen.

        @ saywhatwhen

        Yes unfortunately it is a thing.

      • Jo 'Mama' Besser says:

        It’s definitely in this comment.

  47. Rachel says:

    On the flip side, “childfree” can be insulting to those who have and love children, no? Because to say “free” is to indicate that those with children are not.

    Although, my real point is that people need to stop quibbling over small details like this. I mean, think about it: We live in such a good society that we have no big issues to focus on so now everyone makes mountains out of mole hills. Gotta have something to talk about, right? Meanwhile, in other parts of the world, people are starving, dying of diseases or simply being killed. Everyone needs to wake up. If you’re not going to improve the world, the least you can do is not make it worse.

    • Kitten says:

      “Because to say “free” is to indicate that those with children are not.”

      I think I can confidently speak on behalf of my friends with kids when I tell you that people with children are most definitely not “free” in the same way that those of us without kids are. I don’t think that’s offensive, just factual. If you don’t believe me, then you should listen to all the parents who tout the “selflessness of parenting” and who constantly bemoan the “sacrifices” that they make for the sake of their children.

      • Josefa says:

        And the word “childless” merely indicates that a person doesn’t have children. It’s not offensive, just factual.

      • Mary-Alice says:

        Well, obviously your confidence should not stretch beyond your friends, at most, because people who don’t have children around me have many other responsibilities and obligations and at this age neither of us is technically as free as we were in our teens. But children are definitely not the ones to imprison us because we were free to make the choice and we made it freely.

  48. Veronica says:

    I completely agree with the sentiment behind her statements, though I admit I’ve never particular had any particularly semantic misgivings about “childless.” I am an adult sans children. Therefore, I am “childless.” Much like if I didn’t have a job, I’d be jobless. On a purely personal note, I always found “childfree” to be a tad…hmmm, insinuative? Because it implies people with children are somehow trapped by their decision. Or maybe that’s just too many years spent on “childfree” communities and coming to realize plenty of them were just as desperate for self-validation as the maternal sector. For me, I’ve never cared one way or the other about other people’s opinions of my lifestyle – unless it was politicians attempting to curtail my rights or personhood through legislative definitions.

  49. Illyra says:

    Oh brother.

  50. lucy says:

    I guess it’s human nature to stigmatize? (Ugh.)

    Whenever someone says to me, “oh, so you’re an ONLY child!”, I say, “If, by ‘ONLY child’ you mean I have no brothers or sisters, then yes, I am an only child. If what you mean is that I must be selfish, spoiled rotten, or lonely, then no, that is not an accurate term to use.”

    I had always thought I wanted a brother and/or sister. My childhood was abusive and harrowing and I experienced things alone that no one bore witness to. I did not get to be a kid. I thought that having siblings would have made process that better, and that we would at least have been able to relate with the insight that only people who know the dynamics of the situation firsthand could have, as well as simply being around to relate to, and connect with — generally and joyfully — with each other. However, through discussions with people who have grown up with siblings, I learned that so many siblings within families do not actually have shared experiences! And, the experiences they do have in common made such vastly different impressions on each of them; what is formative and important to one is insignificant to another — there is no guarantee of bond or understanding. It was so eye-opening to have my fantasy theory of what family life-with-siblings is like overturned.

    I began thanking my lucky stars that my life was without siblings bullying, fighting, judging, competing with me.

    So, I ask, are any of you siblings, and how do you characterize the comfort, camaraderie, understanding, and compassion amongst you and your (presumed) shared experiences? And, as adults, do you have a close and caring relationship with each other?

    • Elisa the I. says:

      Thanks for sharing your story – I hope you are in a good place now.
      I grew up with 2 olders sisters and I would have preferred to be an only child. My sisters were and – to this day – are total opposites. They never got along as kids and it got worse when they became teenagers. They would not speak to each other for weeks, wouldn’t even say at school that they are related etc.
      Today they make an effort to make it work because both have kids and the kids get along really well.
      So there are no guarantees. 🙂

  51. captain says:

    I like her honesty. She doesn’t try to rewrite the history, there is no bravado there, but neither false self-pity or need for validation through something. Her story is a life itself. Nothing is set in stone. That’s what people who give Aniston grief don’t get.

  52. Comity says:

    Oh I love me some babies. I just never wanted one badly enough in my 30s to do it on my own. Maybe it was because my own father was so important to me that I felt it was necessary for me to have a partner in raising a child. there are some amazing women out there who are doing it on their own and doing a fantastic job. now I’m in my mid 40s and am still single and I can’t tell you how shocked I am that I’m NOT despondent over not having a husband and not having had children. I have a lovely life. I get the occasional judginess from moms who openly and vocally doubt my ability to care or nurture for anyone or anything because I don’t have children. I don’t think there’s any magic to giving birth that automatically makes you an expert on such things. I’m intrigued by people who think that because I’m single and without children that my life is somehow very easy. No one’s life is easy and I think it would be great if everybody focused a little more on their own happiness and contentment rather then comparing and criticizing life choices.

  53. Erandyn says:

    And yet… she makes a big brouhaha about how maternal she is. Cos heaven forbid she wasn’t nurturing, like all women “should” be, to pass as “real women”. Gah.

    You know what I want to see? I want to see a female celeb announce, unapologetically, that no, she does not want kids, hers or anybody’s, and never has. That she doesn’t even like kids, doesn’t have a single maternal bone in her body, that this has always been the case and always will be, and nobody’s gonna make her feel bad about it.

    But that would be like expecting a politician not to kiss babies for the camera…

    • EN says:

      Well, Cameron Diaz in her day said something like “if I wanted to be married with kids I’d be married with kids”. And I really liked that response. No beating around the bush.

    • Mary-Alice says:

      Eh, I’m still waiting for one of them to come after giving birth and instead ofn telling me about her amazing post-baby body, to have a good old chat about stitches, hemorrhoids, bloody nipples, and other natural beauties but no such among them. They are all unicorns.

  54. TessD says:

    This thread made me wonder: if most of the people commenting on here appear to be childless/childfree, does it mean they are here because of all that free time? So instead of doing something more productive with their time like bringing up a family and raising a child? You know, instead of gossiping?

    (I’m happily childfree)

    • Erandyn says:

      What a bizarre perspective. If you have no kids, you suddenly have “all that free time”? And you use it ALL up on a gossip site? Don’t you have a job and/or hobbies?

  55. Illyra says:

    I’m waiting for the term “hairless” to be deemed offensive (if it hasn’t been already).

  56. Dee says:

    I’m a mother of a 10 year old girl and I’ve never felt that parenting was hard. Caring for an infant yes, but being a parent, no. No judging anyone else’s feeling on that, just saying I honestly have never related to friends complaining about it; I think having more than one is what makes things tough. Things have been incredibly easy with my daughter. And yes of course, we’ll see how the teen years go, I have some karma coming.

  57. Britta says:

    Then you have the flip side. It makes those who have children to be in a form of bondage.

  58. Snowpea says:

    I have 3 rugrats and let me tell you Parenthoid is relentless and a whole lot of thankless work. But there is a lot of joy too amongst the exhaustion and mess. My best friend has no kids and her and her hubby were able to fly to Paris at the drop of a hat, for a romantic fortnight together. I have as much chance of doing that as I do of being Dolly Parton.

    So both paradigms have positives and downfalls. It’s life, man. We are all on different journeys.

  59. Whitney says:

    Can’t we just say “I do have children/I do not have children without explanation? I don’t have any children, and it doesn’t look like it’s in my future anytime soon, but I do have a certain respect for mothers, after I see what my sister goes through with her newborn. Her kid was planned, so having a child was definitely her choice. And I don’t deem her or her lifestyle as anymore admirable than mine, although my parents sure treat it that way. It is a little tiresome that this kid takes priority over absolutely everything.

    All of my siblings visited my parents at the same time over Holiday, and although I spend tons of time with my god-daughter, and enjoy it, the baby was the absolute focus of everything from morning until night, leaving little time to do other holiday things that people like to do. I spent the night out with some friends and called my dad on the way home and asked what they had been up to, and he responded with “Saging” (my nieces name is Sage). Like literally every other activity had to be canceled even though we could have easily taken turns babysitting in order for me and my sister to enjoy my hometown without diapers and temper tantrums literally every waking moment of the day (and night).

    Maybe I sound a bit petulant, but literally every photo of me had been replaced by photos of my sisters wedding. The only photos I’m in, are as me as a bridesmaid at my sisters wedding, and the rest are of my sister in her wedding gown and the baby.

    Someone pointed out that some people love and raise their kid, while other people define themselves by their children (for example: instead of calling yourself Kelly, who loves kickboxing and crafting, you now merely define yourself as “Connor’s Mommy”

    I just wish moms out there, and everyone who is married or newly engaged out there realize that even though some of us never want kids or to get married, it’s sort of a lonely time to see almost everyone around you being fawned over for these milestones, that not all of us will have. There’s no gifts or anything like that because I completed school, or love my “childless” lifestyle.

  60. Matador says:

    Amen, Kim.

  61. Jay (the Canadian one) says:

    If that were true, explain the word “flawless”?

  62. Dude says:

    What does she want, a participation trophy?
    Enough of the PC bullsh!t. You *ARE* childless you buffoon.

  63. serena says:

    SHe is absolutely right!

  64. Magnolia says:

    I would never use “childless” to describe a woman who does not have kids. I agree, it just sounds judgy. I confess I did have the same thoughts many of you are complaining about, when my sister in law told me she is not having kids by choice. Thinking she is selfish and what’s wrong with her…before you jump on here and tell me how stupid I was, believe me I was ashamed of my reaction (and glad I never vocalized it to my SIL). So to all of you “childfree” ladies – I am sorry 🙂

    I wonder also if men who are child free ever get this reaction? such a double standard…

  65. geneva says:

    Kim Cattrall did hit a nerve when she writes about the things we do for young people even when we don’t have children. I am unmarried no kids…and yet do good, kindly or motherly things for nieces, nephews, the children of the man in my life, and yet still does not seem to matter or have value and is not revered. There was a 60 minutes show once about a high class prostitute…she did not like her profession but used an old adage…she told the interviewer that there are only two kinds of women in the world “‘wives and mothers’ or “aunts and lovers’…I hate to say this but darn it that woman on the 60 minutes segment hit a nerve with me…as the latter (never married or had kids…not for lack of trying) I have become an aunt and pseodo step mom for seven years and a nurturing person, teacher of sorts etc..but it has no value. we are not revered. we are not mothers nor wives. anyway, that is how it feels from where I sit!

  66. A. Key says:

    I love her term childfree, I’m using it from now on!

    Luv ya Kim

  67. Yumi says:

    Gah, there are so many people on here saying the word “childfree” is offensive to people who have children because it implies they’re not free.

    Please. Putting a “childfree” label on myself is not the same as putting a “child-enslaved” label on you. It describes how I feel about my own situation. I feel free. That’s all it is. This is not a commentary on how you feel in your life. You can pick whatever label you want for yourself. Or not give yourself any label at all. It’s not up to me what you want to call yourself. Likewise it’s not up to you what I want to call myself.

    I don’t go around calling people who have children “breeders” to their face even though technically it is a correct term for what they are. They prefer to be called “parents”, and I respect that. Now why can’t the parents extend the same courtesy to the childfree? If I don’t call you breeder to your face, then you don’t call me childless to my face. Is that so much to ask?

    If the childfree are too easily butthurt over being called childless, then parents are also too easily butthurt over being called breeders. See how that works? People get tired of respecting parents when they don’t respect non-parents in return. Then all the respect goes away and everyone is being obnoxious to each other. I try not to let that happen. Can you say the same?