I’ve become increasingly curious about how Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt are going to promote By the Sea. The film was relatively inexpensive to make, but that’s only because so many studios are greenlighting $200 million-plus comic book movie productions. Still, even for a “smaller budget” film, By the Sea is getting some weird expectations. I’ve maintained that it’s probably not about the box office at all for Angelina and Brad, that they’re just hoping the studio doesn’t lose money on them but other than that, the film was just a passion project. Well, Deadline had a story a few days ago called “Inside The Curious Marketing Of Angelina Jolie’s ‘By The Sea’” – you can read the full piece here. It seems like Deadline is very worried that By the Sea is going to flop at the box office because Angelina has made “crazy” demands on the studio, like requesting that the studio not spend a ton of money on marketing. Some highlights:
Why there’s not much advanced buzz: “According to the studio and Jolie’s camp, it’s all by design, a subtle way to deliver a film that is more personal than commercial. However, sources say that at the center of it all is Jolie, a writer-producer-director-star who has ideas of her own and is in involved in every detail of the film’s launch of what is clearly a personal pet project. By allowing the film to go to market in modest fashion as Jolie wishes, they say, Universal is protecting its future relationship with a star who built a strong relationship with film chairman Donna Langley from when the star directed the Louis Zamperini drama Unbroken…So when a trailer cut by Universal didn’t please her, Jolie cut her own. Said one person with knowledge of the behind-the-scenes machinations: ‘They aren’t selling it as a mainstream romantic drama because she doesn’t want that and they weren’t willing to take her on.’”
Releasing it in three cities: Jolie’s camp insists that a limited release was always what Jolie had in mind, but at some point, Universal believed that November 13th was going to be the wide release date, and even now there’s mixed information, with one exhibitor telling Deadline: “It’s still on my list as wide. If they are going limited, they probably need to tell people pretty soon.” Said one observer: “Why would you make a $30M movie with two big stars and deem it worthy of a three-city release?”
Jolie’s art film: “That it was ever going wide was vehemently denied by Jolie’s camp, and by Universal, which has told us that the movie wasn’t ever intended to be more than what it turned out to be: Jolie’s version of a ’70s art film; not a sweeping romance but rather a small “personal” film about a crumbling relationship. They say that this tiny release strategy for a film that is shouldering more than $30M (with P&A added in) was what they had in mind all along.”
No critics’ screenings: “It’s a very kind of private film,” understated one source. So private in fact that it has had no critics screenings to date. And those they will have will only happen days before release. The reason most art house films don’t feature big TV spends is because the expenditure doesn’t support the model, and those films rely dearly on word-of-mouth and the hustling of stars to create any kind of awareness. None of that exists here.
Angelina is self-indulgent? “One source close to Jolie said all along she has considered By The Sea “an indie film.” However, most of those don’t cost $27M film and a location shoot in Malta. Compared to most indies, this one seems pricey and self-indulgent.”
One observer is seriously pissed, saying: “The budget of this film is incongruent with art-house fare. They made the movie because they had a re-pairing of Mr. And Mrs. Smith and thought they would have a marketable movie, but it became an art house film. That’s what happened. They let it go for six months with everyone thinking it was going to be a wide release.”
A few things – the $30 million figure is the number of the cost of production AND advertising. But to me, it makes sense to not spend a lot of money on advertising. You’ve got Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt, for goodness sake. They are free-media machines. Every time they choose to speak to a media outlet, they’ll make headlines across the world. Every time they step onto a red carpet, or step out for a pap stroll, every single blog and magazine in the world will run the photos. Why spend money on advertising when you can get all of it for free?
As for this whole idea that no one at Universal has the stones to stand up to Jolie lest they damage their relationship with her…? AND? You think Angelina is the only person in Hollywood to make a few self-indulgent, just-for-fun movies? And at least she’s not costing the studio anything more than $30 million, which is a pretty low figure for “self-indulgent” when it comes to movie making, especially considering Universal will likely be able to make their money back from DVD sales and international markets.
Photos courtesy of WENN.
My head hurt from reading this.
The film itself does not look good.
I totally agree with you. I have no desire to see this movie in my local art house theater, through On Demand, or streaming on Netflix. It looks like a self indulgent mess, and I cannot quite follow the connection of her feelings of despair of loosing her mother to Ovarian cancer with the decay of a romantic relationship. Maybe seeing the movie would make that more clear, but I don’t want to watch it to find out.
Well, she has said that the film deals with lost and grief so I think it may be about losing a child? That’s the feel I get from it anyway…
Bunch of people drink any kool-aid handed to them. So, DUDLINE says something, and people automatically believe them.
DUDLINE has an agenda, they’ve had one for a long time. That is the site bought by Huvane last year to push Jennifer Aniston for an Oscar. I think that says all anyone needs to know.
@Lola I just made a search (I am on a holiday, and lazying around today hahaha) for “Aniston” at deadline and yes, there are TONS on articles from around the time she was trying hard to get a nom. I compared to AJ’s and there are not as many articles, and practically none about By The Sea. Until this one… Even at other Canadian site the writer says that the tone of the article at deadline seems suspicious… There is something funny about this, IMO.
It doesn’t look any worse than a lot of self-indulgent comic book hero movies that cost a lot more than this does.
Men get away with being self-indulgent and egotistical, but women often will be blamed for either being too this or not enough that.
And a serious film about SOMETHING? As opposed to a glitzy one about space ships and fantasy figures? How boring.
When did the film industry turn into a giant high school full of aging boys and their toys?
She isn’t a good actress or a good director, there, I said it!
Don’t say it or They Will Come.
I got your back on that one, Mia, stay strong 😀
I agree and I still like her…..lol I honestly don’t care if AJ makes crap movies (there’s a crap load of crap movies out anyways) because she uses her celebrity for a whole lotta good. There are a lot of people way worse than her making bank and doing nothing besides that for complete and utter drivel.
Mia,
Thank you for your honesty and objectivity despite the Jolie Kool-Aid so many seem to consume.
I wouldn’t say she is a bad actress, she is average and can have her moments. Director? Don’t know and don’t care. But, I have a feeling this movie will not do well at the box office.
I also agree with Ciel’s comments, everything she does seems very calculated.
Looks like the Henistons saw that Aniston and her “husband” both attended a Halloween party.
The only problem, they were 3000 MILES apart. Theroux partied in NYC, Aniston and some other man, partied in LA.
“Ain’t senior citizen love grand.”
I’m confused, I thought this was a AJ & BP thread. Did I miss something??
They Are Here…
Being a watchdog for the Jolie-Pitts is a full time job for some…
@Gina Sometimes these AJ threads are a good source of entertainment. And you just brought the funny. LOL…..
LOL! Angelina was good in The Changeling (I’m still sore about that title – didn’t they know there was already an awesome film with that same name – the scary George C. Scott film?). But so-so in everything else. I still like her though:)
@Carol
I didn’t watch Changeling until it came on netflix…..so before that, I was all meh, she’s not gonna win everything (when she didn’t win the Oscar for it)….I’d seen all the other performances. But after watching Changeling…..I was flat out AMAZED (because beyond a few “big” moments, her character was very subtle, and didn’t chew scenery every time the camera panned her way) and I honestly was MAD that she lost. I think either she or Meryl should’ve won.
I’m confused because for such a well know movie with such a well known husband, how come her movies such as Unbroken haven’t done well? I thought all they had to do was show up and they has a huge gross.
I think people here think they are more popular than they are.
JIB, who wrote: “I’m confused because for such a well know movie with such a well known husband, how come her movies such as Unbroken haven’t done well? I thought all they had to do was show up and they has a huge gross.”
My one wish is that people voicing their opinion with a negative slant here will just do diligent ‘research’ before posting their shite. “Unbroken” had a $65 million Production Budget. The film grossed $115.6 million Domestic and $45.8 million Overseas for a $161.4 million Worldwide total. For a Director’s first big ‘wide release’ film, that is very impressive. The film made back double its Production Budget plus a $31 million cushion. I’m going to give you the benefit of doubt, however, because perhaps you just didn’t know how well “Unbroken” actually did.
@ EmmaJp Lover
Unbroken ran an Oscar campiagn for 30 million dollars, hired an Oscar stagrgist a 1 year in advance and it was also reported that Universal was spending 10 millon a week on adverting. Not to mention there was extra editors brought to teh film last minute too. All of that adds to the actaul cost of the movie too. Which would be close to 100 million. So no, Unbroken is not a hit if you think about it.
I have no desire to see this film either. I have no opinions on her decisions as I figure she knows what’s best for her movie, but one trailer was enough to convince me that I do not want to see this. Or rather, pay money to see it. Maybe if it shows up on tv for free I’m might watch it…while on the treadmill. I have a feeling I might give up on the movie after 5 minutes though.
Agree, and I usually like slow paced artsy-fartsy films like Silent Light and Babette’s Feast, but this film looks ridiculous and simply terrible.
I told u guys they would come! “Hides behind Arment”
Their behavior borders on bullyish, it’s so juvenile. It reminds me of LeAnn Rimes’ fans. God forbid, you have a difference of opinion.
I wonder if this will be the next Gigli in that it will taint them both in their careers as actors.
Angelina self-indulgent? Nah……lol
It’s 100% vanity project. Somebody wrote on the other site that this movie is like Dolce & Gabbana commercial gone wrong. I couldn’t agree more.
So I can look forward to you saying that every movie Leo D does is a vanity project?
And Leo’s films actually look interesting but ok.
And she’s allowed to state her opinion without the angeloonies coming out full force to attack her.
If I am a looney then you are a lunatic right?
And it doesn’t matter if Leo’s movies looks interesting – according to you people, if a movie is not action hero related, GDI then it’s a vanity project right? Then you have to call of the movies out otherwise you are a hypocrite.
Wolf of Wall Street, Inception, Djano Unchained….sorry Maya but I wouldn’t lump Leonardo DiCaprio as an action hero. For all his model chasing ways at the end of the day he is an excellent actor with a body of work to prove it. No Malificent, The Tourist, Salt, Tomb Raider on his resume.
Umm how are we comparing Angie and Leo with “vanity projects”?
Leos films are not produced written and directed by and starring Leo??
It doesn’t make them any better/worse but they are not comparable.
Yeah, award-grubby Leo’s latest is the actual budget debacle, but it was directed by a man, so no problem. The 30 million is a total fake number, but every Jolie Pitt project gets trashed and LIED about, sight unseen, by media that is clearly beholden to PR firms- its gross, but very predictable. Touist, WWZ, Fury, 12 Years A Slave, Unbroken & Maleficent were supposed to be huge failures, but in fact made huge profits- which is why Brad & Angie keep getting jobs & artistic freedom while so many others can’t get hired even with million dollar PR. Success is the best revenge and Brad & Angie keep succeeding- well deserved!
@maya
1) A vanity project has nothing to do with not being an action hero type of movie. It has to do with doing something only the actor seems to be interested in doing.
2) Dicaprio doesn’t write and direct his own films*, and working with Scorsese, Tarantino, Nolan,… is not vanity.
* His ‘green’ documentary could maybe be considered a vanity project, but not his films.
@heidi321
how do you know is a fake number? you have better inside info than Deadline?
And BTW I’m a fan of them, but it’s ridiculous how defensive some of you get. So what if it’s a vanity project? They’re big stars so they can do it. Good for them.
Leo DiCaprio? Huh?
Come on…a better comparison would be Ben Affleck. And yes, he has been accused of making vanity projects numerous times.
@PABLO
Please look up the definition of ‘vanity project.’
A ‘vanity project,’ is typically something by a well-known entity, that doesnt turn out well and thus, is deemed not worthwhile because of it.
Usually it’s based on those people believing they can do one thing based on their success in another thing. i.e., Madonna, pop queen hires her husband Guy Richie to direct her in her film Swept Away. Johnny Depp records Frank Sinatra, Vanilla Ice makes a movie about Vanilla Ice, playing himself. (All flops, panned. The Depp one I made up)
If it’s successful, even marginally, its usually NOT deemed a ‘vanity project.’
Eminem’s ‘8 Mile,’ story of his life, where he played himself, was not a ‘vanity project.’ It was a good worthwhile film.
Why some of the fans here and even people with just plain common sense get ‘defensive,’ is due to the knee jerk propensity of haters to have them fail. Always.
It doesn’t matter if it’s their relationship, their family, their health or their work – they will put in an equal amount of energy in spreading lies, naysaying or trying to build a consensus of negativity among fellow haters to drag down a thread. (Needless to say these sad sorry people are frustrated often)
It doesn’t help when the msg board topic itself generates a little negativity based on a throwaway line from an unnamed source (‘it seems expensive and self indulgent’) on a specious industry gossip site.
Since both of these people are critically acclaimed actors, been praised for producing and directing, won Oscars and been in the film business since they were teens, and early 20s – and know how to sell movie tix, and make movies and successful product..the inclination is to say, people SHOULD WAIT AND SEE.
Calling their project a ‘vanity project’ before it releases and before anyone sees it, is just a way the usual suspects – their haters, conduct themselves.
People are calling it a vanity project based on the trailer, which looks pretty bad and overly dramatic. Perhaps AJ should have gone with the trailer the studio made because this one doesn’t inspire me to see the film.
If I’m not mistaken Our Brand Is Crisis opened at $3.5m staring Sandra B was a flop last weekend. Burnt opened at $5m this pass weekend and is a flop. Let’s see what BTS opens in limited showing next weekend before all the dooms day predictions. I’m sure OBIC and Burnt had a bigger budget and no one is talking about how much they are going to lose with those. All the dooms day is always at the ready with the knife to go after Angelina. I’m going to make a prediction and say at the end of the day BTS will come out on top and make a profit.
Yeah, no one is analyzing Sandra B. flop that was produced by Clooney. Every time anything by Angelina is coming out, it is predicted as a flop, horrible mess, doom and gloom, before anyone even saw it. Just from this site, I remember reading similar things about Maleficent and Unbroken. So many women rooting and hoping for her things to fail, it’s unbelievable.
Looks like Deadline is analyzing the Sandra B and Cooper flops of this weekend:
http://deadline.com/2015/11/sandra-bullock-our-brand-is-crisis-hollywood-stars-warner-bros-1201603995/
Just pointing this out without agenda towards Jolie. I have no opinion on how good/successful her movie will be. Since Jolie is one of a few high profile female directors, I personally hope it does do well.
And I agree with many that there is a valid point to be made that the Deadline piece is preemptively unfair to Jolie. But I think it can be done without saying “they don’t point out other people’s failures” I feel it just isn’t true.
This industry is brutal and if you fail or there is drama, everyone talks about it. The Industry is talking about all the issues with The Revenant (over budget, director with ego out of control etc). How else would we all know these things? Inarritu has even preemptively addressed some of it because its been so talked about.
In this case I do agree that they should give Jolie’s movie a chance to see how it actually performs before they call it a “vanity project”.
Actually film media like Hollywood reporter and variety were saying a lot about last weekend’s flops (sandy’s worst opening, etc) I can understand the limited opening..that’s not unusual..but I’m surprised at the no advanced showing–critics usually adore small films that don’t follow the romcom formula.
@boredblond
I’m guessing they are embargoed until the premiere–which is on Thursday. There have been showings–the HFPA watched it (one of the members, Ruben Nepales tweeted about it), and this Friday the Writers Guild of America is going to screen it.
But I don’t know how embargos usually work i.e. what is “bad” and what is “good”. I’m expecting this film to have strong/great acting, great cinematography, and mixed reviews on the story/writing. I think this kind of a film, that is very personal, is hard to get across…….you can’t overdo it, yet have to be subtle, so it’s not so in your face BE SAD! We don’t know enough about Angelina’s writing to know if she can do that…..
Look at Mia Girl with the logic and objectivity!! You clearly don’t belong on a Jolie-Pitt thread.
The deadline article about Sandra and Bradley films makes sense. The movies have been released already and they flopped. I don’t remember Deadline making presumptions like this about Sandy’s film or Bradley’s film before it was released.
@Mia girl. You came to bring the pain didn’t you? :)But I don’t think anyone mentioned Bradley Cooper’s or Sandy B flop because there hasn’t been any recent post about them. Plus they didn’t write, produce or direct their movies, they were just paid to star in them.
And that Leo comparison to AJ; world of difference. Leo is not an action star.
Blueskies
Unbroken was not a good movie though.
Jenni, OMG hilarious! And unfortunately, that observation is spot on. It looks cringe-worthy. That being said, of course I am going to see it! Can’t help myself, I just have to see these two together again on-screen.
Lol yes that’s exactly it!
” You think Angelina is the only person in Hollywood to make a few self-indulgent, just-for-fun movies? ”
Can I get an Amen?
She’s simply the only woman.
Go, Angie!
I’ll be seeing the movie and will withhold any opinion about its quality until I do.
While it’s true that male actors/directors have had their share of vanity projects, I’m not sure it’s a great idea to cheer Angie on for doing the same. $30 million of someone else’s money is a lot to splash out on a passion project.
They said it cost ten million to make. Even adding in the other costs for marketing, etc., it wouldn’t be 30 million, not 20 million.
Ten million is on the high end for an indie movie, but it’s far different than 30 million. I don’t know where they get that info.
“I’ll be seeing the movie and will withhold any opinion about its quality until I do. ”
Sanity.
Angie sure does bring out the hysteria, from “official” to unofficial, from near and far, from pride and prejudice.
@Jayna
I think they’re just making stuff up. I can see ten million–especially if Brad and Angelina aren’t paying themselves, and the other cast took on smaller salaries (IDK what they normally get paid) to make a small movie. But unless we wake up tomorrow, and there are billboards everywhere and sponsored ads on youtube, then there is no way the movie cost 30 with P&A put in. No way. The only things I’ve seen that would cost money, on the promotion side, is the Italian tv spots I saw on youtube, and the sponser ads on facebook.
Other than that, they’ve had EW and People run stills and articles about the film (I think 3-4 times). had the cover of Vogue, V, and went on the Today show. None of that costs the studio any money.
Amen! I’ll be seeing the movie if it’s my area on the opening weekend.
yesterday a fan mentioned that some of the haters of Angelina wishes she was dead. Guess what, I was searching on another site and someone commented that h/h “wished she would die.” I can not understand why anyone would spend 10+ years hating on someone they never met, it’s just sick. There are lots of sick people that comes on this site every time there is a Brad and Angelina thread, they are here even before the fans are when a new thread is opened.
There is a saying, hating someone is taking poison and wished the other person would die. Haters are killing themselves slowly and not even knowing how ugly they are and sound.
George Clooney is the king of indulgent movies. Need I remind everyone of Monument men. Now he has the Sandra Bullock flop.
Hollywood is sexist because the US is sexist.
They wanted Angelina to fail with Maleficient, Unbroken and now it is By the Sea. All of this because she doesn’t want to tow the line and play the woman’s role in this game.
Deadline annoys me. Also before it is written, I know the author of the article is a woman. It doesn’t make it any less prejudice against a woman who has the power to call the shots.
Monuments Men had a budget of 70 million and grossed 155 million. Leatherheads might be a better example.
This. How many male directors get called on the carpet for the crap they put out?
Name a few others. I dare you.
I’m withholding comment pro or con until I see the movie.
The Studio always has the last word, relationship or not. If the film–which I’ve always thought was an independent art house film–does well in limited release, Universal will put it in wide release. It seems to me that some people are only carping about the film missing all Film Festivals and promoting that larger films receive because they didn’t get an opportunity to diss the film before release.
Don’t shoot me but I have a feeling about this movie after watching the trailer: it looks like a mess…Brad and Angie are not enough to make it work, honestly I don’t see the appeal of the movie at all, except wanting to see Angie and Brad together, and I understand why there can be a lot of concerns about a possible box office bomb.
How can there be concern for a box office bomb for a $10m movie. If the writer was concerned about the movie bombing, why advocate for more advertising?
By the way, the movie has already screened for some critics and is screening for writers guild this way. The writer could have done a bit more research but why let facts get in the way of a hit job.
It was Deadline that made the comment about no critics watching. It’s in the article.
It’s also screening for the AMPAS in NYC today, and LA on saturday, I believe. It’s on their website.
So I hope someone spills the beans on how the movie is……
So where are the reviews if it has been screened already? I’d love to read them.
Not sure why she is being targeted it seems. Hollywood has a history of making pricey, self indulgent movies ie Johnny Depp & Rum Diaries, Alexander Innaritu and The Revenant. This list could go on. Is the article being sexist or just targeting Jolie in particular?
+1.
I do not expect big crowds going to see this type of movie anyway, just because it is not an action movie.
Cue the “I said it was a flop” in 3.2.1…
I prefer that HW somehow is doing this type of movies than just empty comedies and action movies.
This , lest we forget is from ‘Deadline.’ Nuff said.
Aren’t all Owen Wilson’s movies pricey and self-indulgent? Or Adam Sandler’s?
God, I have seen so many stupid movies that cost more than 30 mil that I can’t even keep track.
But the major problem seems to be that Jolie wants to impose her own set of rules and this bugs some bosses. So, what? Let them boil in anger!
Yeah, I can’t think of anything more self-indulgent than a crappy Adam Sandler movie. Why he has the power he has is beyond me.
As for BTS, I take issue with it being called “private.” It may be personal but it was made for public consumption so it seems there should be some discussion and compromise about how it should be marketed. I think Angie’s approach is the right one. Although based on the original trailer I’m not convinced the movie isn’t a bit of a cheesy mess.
I was watching a three part video on a Youtube channel I visit from time to time called Comicgirl19 and its title was Top 13 Best Movies You Missed This Decade. Each movie’s box office was compared to Adam Sandler’s, Grown Ups 2. A lot of great films on that list but none of them came anywhere near that POS movie and most of them went unseen. So, it’s only self indulgent if it has no chance of making money and a case can be made that those box office flops were the self indulgent ones. Adam Sandler makes studios money because we as a population don’t consider his movies, indulgent, we consider them “entertaining”, sad to say. But on the other hand If Angie’s movie makes a profit, no matter how small than it would be the height of hypocrisy to then call her and her project self indulgent. We shall see…
So the media attack begins – these sites always writes a hit piece on every single movie Brad and Angelina are associated with.
They did that vile attack on WWZ and yet Brad proved why he is the king of Hollywood by WWZ earning more than half a billion at the boxoffice.
Again the knives were out for Unbroken and especially Angelina – several degrading articles were written and yet that movie was a hit and well received by the normal population.
Here – deadline is again attacking Angelina and at the same time attacking Donna Langley the head of Universal.
First they get 30 million wrong because on every other sites it only 10 million. The marketing is free because Universal owns a lot of to stations so therefore gets free promotion.
its only when it is a woman especially Angelina that these sites attack. Angelina is the only one who is not allowed to say her opinions, to direct a movie the way she wants, to edit a trailer the way she wants.
Can we expect Deadline to write a degrading article like this for the Reverant? That movie was originally 60 million but ballooned to 150 million and going to be released in limit release. Are they going to attack the male director?
PS: I will also wait for a hit piece on every single movie that are released in limit release – you know they must stink as well right?
Plenty of movies get dissected, not just Angie. Ridley Scott’s Exodus was critically panned and articles written about it. I read lots of movies that are dissected and the director ripped for being self-indulgent or writing a bad screenplay, etc. Angie has a thick skin.
Paul Haggis’ Third Person, the same, and dissected in not a good way.
They get panned after the release not before – it’s only Brangelina movies who gets attacked before the movies are released.
Didn’t we just see this kind of treatment with The Revenant too?
WWZ was DREADFUL – I like Brad Pitt and I couldn’t finish watching- just because a movie makes money doesn’t mean its any good!
I loved WWZ, looking forward to the sequel.
@V4Real-Me too! Loved it….and I usually HATE anything that could be considered an action movie. Yes I am THAT narrow-minded lol
You guys might get me to watch it, lol. I hate apocalypse/horror stuff…..I will literally watch almost anything else. Even a stupid dumb action film. But I think it’s because I sat through too many readings of Revelation, so end of the world crap freaks me out.
That isn’t the point and that is your opinion anyway. The movie made money therefore it justified itself to the studios who bankrolled it. In essence that is what this particular issue is about; money.
@ Maya, if Jolie wants to be a director, then she has to be open to criticism. Critics are not out for her just because she is Angelina Jolie. And besides, she is not a good director from how her other 2 movies turned out. I don’t have hope for this one.
Well, the marketing is awful. The interview with Angie and Brad shed no light on the movie as she doesn’t want to talk about the plot save that it’s a married couple with issues. So it was basically an interview about them the majority of the interview. How that sells a movie I don’t get.
The limited release thing isn’t a huge deal. Many movies do a limited release before a wider release. If the reviews are horrible, it probably won’t get released to many art houses, a much smaller roll-out, which I’ve seen happen with small films that the reviews aren’t good. They end up not coming to the art house in my town. But with two big stars, I can’t see that happening in bigger cities. The interest alone should get them into a number of small theatres in the U.S.
Paul Haggis’ “Third Person” in 2014, with a lot of big names, Liam Neeson, James Franco, Adrien Brody, Olivia Munn, on and on, did an ensemble indie and it bombed even at the arthouse. It only made a little over a million dollars total because of the bad reviews. I don’t even know if we ever got it here at the art house. I watched it on On Demand when I happened to see it listed.
For an indie, word of mouth good reviews is crucial.
So it was basically an interview about them the majority of the interview. How that sells a movie I don’t get.
Me neither. I love to read about them (and snark on them), they’re interesting as hell but I also want to know more about the film. We’ve heard many things like the inspiration behind it and the writing process, what Brangelina thought about it but nothing substantial to give people a hint about the content. People will be paying for this after all. I’m willing to throw my money at it but with 2 a-listers (and my personal fondness for this type of movie), I expect to be given more.
And then the trailer, however artsy and mysterious, again doesn’t say shit. It’s all DRAMA. Even arthouse films deserve a decent trailer. Jolie may find this all very amusing and interesting (not showing the audience what they’re in for) but she’s not giving away this film for free is she? Pet project or nah, she wants and needs an audience.
I think her issue is that she is so into in her own needs as an artist, that she forgets to give the audience something too. This might be why we got so many long scenes in Unbroken that weren’t necessary and a lack of character development/interaction. She’s into atmosphere, physicality and visuals more than the story imo. I bet Malta is going to be featured just beautifully 🙂 Maybe this will be her signature style, looking forward to see critics compare her work now, it’s time.
I have to eyeroll every time she mentions she’s an artist. Like girl….okay. While I like her she really is way too romantic about her job for my tastes.
I’m going to make a brave confession: I’m not a huge fan of the Jolie’s work. I think she’s from the Leonardo DiCaprio school of acting – all intense drama. And she’s excellent at it, just not my cup of tea. But you know what? This is a movie written & directed by a woman, and I really hope that it succeeds.
Lol, I actually love Leo’s acting–but a lot of his recent films, all I see is I WANT AN OSCAR! No subtlety at all.
Different strokes for different folks, right?
I don’t consider Angelina a great actress like Cate Blanchett or Meryl Streep in her prime, but she’s always turned in solid performances. And several of her movies she has turned in great performances. I was really impressed and moved by her performance in Changeling directed by Clint Eastwood, and that was an understated performance.
It seems they always target her for something as usual when her movies approachs.
Just about everything I read about her is dipped in honey and rolled in chocolate. Just yesterday was the article about how desperately in love she and Brad were and her bravery from her surgeries and always her lovely children. One bad review hardly makes her a target, just another actress promoting a film….can’t always get the reviews you want to read…even she knows that.
Well you should be happy today you get to read something opposite.
Wouldn’t you be in love with your children and husband enough to save your own life? If you’d been diagnosed as having the gene that carries a HUGE risk of getting cancer, and having seen your mother, aunt and grandmother die horrible deaths from it, would you not take the necessary steps to remove the portions of your anatomy most likely to cause that cancer? And wouldn’t your husband say you were brave to do that in order to live to see your children grow up? It’s a no-brainer and going public with it was perfect.
How many self-indulgent movies has Adam Sandler or Woody Allen made on a lot bigger budgets than this? And where are the think pieces criticising them?
But yeah, it does kind of sound like investors were mislead about what they were getting. That, or it’s just not very good and Universal and downplaying expectations so it doesn’t look like a flop when the inevitable happens.
And I love all the women that are so quick to snipe at her for what.. having POWER. Yeah that’s right POWER. The thing they are all praising other women for fighting to get.
STFU DL.. just pissed they are out of the loop.
that movie didn’t cost $30 million. Angie and Brad have both said as much. And how is it on one hand DL is complaining about the lack of Promotion and then saying how much money has been spent on Promotion.
I’m waiting for their write up on all the other films that have been promoted to high end and BOMBed..
There are loads. Just because you don’t read them doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
Adam Sandler gets to keep making movies because up until recently, his movies made money. The Netflix debacle is perhaps showing Hollywood that he’s not the guy to be in business with anymore, since there are enough people tired of his antics to not bother seeing his films.
Allen gets to keep making movies because he gets most of his backing outside of Hollywood; I doubt there’s any studio that would be willing to take on the entire cost of one of his films now.
Jolie’s movies also do quite well, especially given the sexism in Hollywood, but her biggest hits have been cartoon-based (Mr & Mrs Smith excepted). If I were a studio I would certainly be concerned about her ability to open a film that wasn’t a Disney or Dreamworks project.
Woody Allen movies do not have big budgets.
And Woody’s films do make a profit. He himself has said all he wants of his movies is to make enough of a profit so that he can continue making them. Enough means one dollar over breaking even and of course that is an exaggeration.
This is heart wrenching for me to admit, but…allen’s films are GOOD. Blue Jasmine was mesmerizing. The man seems like a pedophile-pig hybrid, and I hate that he’s still working. But his movies…they’re amazing. *hangs head in shame*
Woody Allen’s been making self-indulgent, overrated movies for thirty years now, with only one or two worthy films sprinkled in.
My take on this article is:
The last time these two were in a movie together, it was a huge hit and they sizzled onscreen together. Fans of these two have been waiting 10 years or so to see them in another film together. It would seem like that *should* be the ultimate “trump card” to get people into seats, even if the film is only moderately good.
Looked at from that angle (ie: expectations of how that trump card would be best used) and I would assume the investors, studio, press and most of the general public were probably hoping for/expecting something different than what this film seems to be, the article has a point. The trailers are kind of dull and depressing and have none of the sizzle/chemistry that was evident the last time they were onscreen together. The movie posters don’t either. Two hats on a wall? Meh…
From a marketing point of view (no comment on the film itself as I obviously haven’t seen it), she’s clearly making a point of downplaying those expectations. Which may be honest, but will it get people into seats? People are used to seeing the best bits in the trailers. Looking at the trailer for this film, if those are the best bits, who wants to see the rest of it? Unless they auto-financed the whole thing themselves, there is also some responsibility to the other investors to promote this in such a way so as to sell as many tickets as possible.
Critics don’t get Angie and don’t get the power of her charisma. Many people are interested in HER and something like this which is an exploration of her inner life is something I am betting many people will be interested in seeing. I believe she understands this and thus knows an advertising campaign would be next to useless and even redundant. This movie is magazine material, and you don’t advertise for a magazine publication that features her any further than you say it is about her, because people people are hungry for any information or gossip about her. She sells her.
She’s actually said that this film has nothing to do with her life, marriage wise at any rate.
“She sells her”. Ok…but so far, she’s selling Pitt as Redford, he’s selling them as Cassavetes/Rowlands and the posters aren’t selling either of them really.
Its seems like an “indie” film with smaller expectations from the creators and the studio is mad because they want to throw more money at it to increase their losses? What? I obviously can’t brain today, I am going home.
Not the first vanity project (ahem Madonna in Cast Away and Will Smith in After Earth) won’t be the last.
Omg I love your name! I’m a huge fan of Futurama
I don’t have high hopes for this critically or commercially and I am a proud Brangeloonie. Hope both of them are at least satisfied.
Shes just doing what all the guys do; it’s just a ‘big deal’ because it’s a woman doing it
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She makes these people so much money and they still can’t help but mess with her. As if there aren’t a lot more studios who will write her a check.
I’ll be watching the international markets where these people are supposedly famous…ROFLMAO. KStew fans were parroting the same thing regarding American Ultra Box office and it made a grand total of $1,000,000 internationally.
They are no Tom Cruise, who can offset minor domestic losses internationally.
May I point you to box office mojo so you can see for yourself how much money Angelina’s movies make overseas?
Her cartoon and Disney movies have obviously raked in an impressive moolah but then that’s not the measure of international stardom..now, if Unbroken had made at least a 100 + as many, many, MANY her fans at BODC were predicting as many are doing here for BTS, then I would say she’s an international stah.
I don’t live in America and I can tell u that we don’t see movies for whose in them, we see movies for quality. Especially with the price of movies these days. The international Stah between this couple is Brad Pitt. Malificent was a great movie but nobody went to see it just because AJ was in it, nobody in my country anyway.
The Tourist, Salt and Wanted made more money internationally than domestic and Angelina was a big part of it.
Umm Unbroken earned 160 million????
Also an earlier film Bone Collector, which make $85 million overseas ($66 million domestic) and no, it wasn’t all due to Denzel Washington.
Oh, bone collector remains one of my favorite movies! I thought she was great in it.
Me too! Queen Latifah was wonderful as well.
Oh Maya, did Unbroken earn 160 internationally? LOL
Zut,
The Tourist: They dropped her for most of international promotion and I remember she scheduled a oh so important photo-op humanitarian trip to somewhere just as Johnny Depp was having a premiere for TT in Japan
Wanted: A well loved comic book
Salt: Yep..credit to Dame Angelina.
Pretzel logic. They fail, it’s all about her. They succeed, it’s all about something or someone else. Convenient. I think studios see it a different way or they wouldn’t keep giving her top billing and diverse roles from every direction.
1. Angelina Jolie has far more star power than Depp. Even if you hate Angelina, you have to admit that’s true. The Producer would have wanted Angelina there to promote simply because she is the headliner who gets the attention and draws in the fans, as much as that pains you. If Angelina wasn’t there, it was because she chose not to be there. But keep hoping.
2. Angelina’s work – not ‘photo op’ on humanitarian visits is scheduled by the UN, a long time in advance. But again, keep hoping something that is lies and false will stick despite the absurdity.
Lets see if Deadline will write up a piece like this for the Inarritu’s REVENANT whose budget has ballooned over $100m not including P&A for a non-blockbuster type of film.
Oh and it is opening in limited release too. But that is not a problem right.. I mean the director is a man
First of all the difference between Iñarritu and Jolie is not that one is a man and the other a woman, but the fact that he’s an acclaimed director and she is an unproven one who has been given 30million for her celebrity status.
And secondly, Iñarritu has been VERY criticized for the production of The Revenant, but I guess thin skinned Jolie fangirls prefer to ignore that so they can play victim.
Alejandro is not the first director to go way over budget or have so much trouble during the filming, yet people and media talk about The Revenant as if this was a unique case. It has begining to sound to me as a case of institutionalised racism, “how dare this Mexican man to do such a film and how dare he be strict with our precious white actors?!!”
Also don’t compare a filmmaker like Iñárritu whose first film Amores Perros changed for the better the Mexican film industry and has gone to direct super acclaimed international films, with Angelina…
@Saks: Innaritu at one point dragged a naked man across frozen ground. People that worked on the shoot called it “A Living Hell”. Not institutionalized racism to criticize him for his crappy work conditions.
Wanting her film to be marketed and released the way she intended? Wow, what a B!! I bet Hitchcock or Ford or Bergman or Herzog or Coppola or Spielberg or Fill in the Blank never acted that way. Ungrateful cow.
Eh, I read a ton of celeb interviews, follow gossip, look at premiere pics…none of that has any positive effect on whether I’ll see a film or not. Someone who’s not a movie buff and who doesn’t follow specific actors careers (that is, most people), could see the coverage of Brad and Angelina and not even be aware they have a film coming out. All the headlines are about them and their marriage, not the film. If you haven’t seen any promo for the film, it would be very easy to just skim over that part.
Trailers and ads put a film on people’s radar. Interviews and pictures put a celebrity on people’s radar. That may get super fans to the cinema, but that’s not enough. Hell, I’m a big fan of a lot of actors, but it takes a lot more than that to get me into a movie theatre. Marketing matters.
Yup.
RDJ’s The Judge is a 50 million self-indulgent project that was very oscar baity. How come no one talks about that?
People only complain about budget when it looks like they won’t make it back. The Judge made quite a profit (box office close to $85M) so the budget isn’t an issue. I imagine this movie’s budget is being talked about because they are worried about box office with only the limited release guaranteed at this point.
The Judge had a HUGE promo cost (tons of tv ads and RDJ & Duvall did a ton of promo evetywhere) so, unless it made $120+ million, it was a loser. RDJ can make it up to the investors with his Disney $$- he probably spent more on the bday party he threw himself than the film cost (he talked about on Stern- quite the blow out). Plus RDJ is a man, so it’s fine when he flops- you are actually supposed to pretend it didn’t happen bc male egos are fragile.
Yeah I was pretty sure the judge is considered a flop both critically and commercially.
RDJ’s The Judge is a 50 million self-indulgent project that was very oscar baity. How come no one talks about that?
Um, people did talk about it and how it didn’t do well though RDJ promoted the hell out of it. But even though his company produced it, RDJ did not write the script nor did he direct it. No triple threat title like AJ.
The production budget is 10m, & there is not ad on tv or on billboard for this movie so where do they get the 30m?
I dunno. $30m seems a great deal when compared to, say, $6m for Beasts of No Nation with its 3m Netflix views in a fortnight. I think vanity projects by people with fandoms should probably go the Netflix/Amazon route.
I thought even the beasts production ballooned to $8 million. Fukunaga had to ask for a whole lot more halfway through. I’ll never understand production costs!
I read the other day he promised $4m but it went to $6m. But happy to be corrected if that’s wrong! Even at $8m, that’s a good price for a high quality film, right? Quality TV is at least $1-2m an hour.
Either way, it seems like an excellent route for vanity projects by people with big followings. Netflix paid $12m for BoNN, so the film’s in the black and Netflix got a hit so is also happy. I can really see people with strong fandoms finding a good market this way, and no need for all the studio and distributor shenanigans.
If it were a true “Indie” film, it would not have her and Brad as the stars. Sounds like another flop.
They are allowed to do it. Big stars have been in indies too.
Oh, so Indie films don’t have famous people in them? Lol I don’t think you know what “Indie” means, pmsl.
It’s always worrying when they won’t let critics see the movie in advance. That usually means they know it sucks.
The movie has been screened for critics. Reviews are usually held until a film makes it Premier.. It is not releasing until next week. Opening AFI on Thursday; where critics will see it. NO different than any of the other films released. Just that they did earlier festivals.. and the reviews for them have not been posted and won’t until the films open. This is not something new.
I’m torn on this. While it does seem like a somewhat expensive vanity project with bad marketing, she’s hardly the first actor to have done so. Johnny Depp, Chris Evans, Bradley Cooper, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, etc. have all produced or directed their own vanity projects. A budget of $20 million or under is the usual standard for an indie, so $30 million with P & A isn’t totally outrageous either or anything. Basically, there may be some truths to this but the majority seems like a hit piece.
If a film is great or at least the studio has confidence critics will love it. They allow reviews to be released weeks ahead of time to help build momentum. Black Mass reviews came out early and Steve had reviews a month before release.
Studios holding back reviews very close to release is always a bad sign. The Tourist is an example.
It looks like they play both parts – they play both couples. They are voyeurs into the room of themselves, as newlyweds, ten years earlier. That is my guess. It could make things very interesting.
Check the cast and characters on IMDB
I saw the trailer a couple of weeks ago but can’t tell you what the film will be about both my husband and I looked at each other like umm. Might give it a miss wait for a longhaul flight in the spring maybe it will be on there.
I think the difference between Jolie and Innaritu is two-fold. He is an acclaimed director, who will be allowed a periodic bomb. Jolie is a fledgling director, and therefore more vulnerable in the face of a critical and commercial miss. I’m not sure this was the wisest project to follow the promising but over-hyped Unbroken. I do think she is being very wise not to over-hype this one though (what I mainly got out of that gibberish-y Deadline article). But of course gender is also a factor. Absolutely.
Yes to everything you said.
You need to open film in more than 3 cities if you have a 30M budget. Everyone in box office forums assume that because the film was changed from wide release to 3 cities is that the film is terrible. So if Angelina is really claiming that this is what she always intended she is just backtracking. Not advertising a poor film too much is sensible however.
But while 30M is not that much in Hollywood (and I heard. 30M was not in including advertising unlike Kaiser but I could be wrong) the most expencive film ever in my country costed about 6 million and was animated, normaly films cost about 500 thousand at most. So I never undertand why would you make a film like this that would cost so much. The main difference why American films are so expencive is that the above line talent like stars get huge paychecks, but in these days when stars are not really draws they should accept more back end deals.
Film production costs may also vary due to union regulations for people working at all levels of the industry. Peter Jackson went non-union for Lord of the Rings, which angered a lot of professionals in the film industry, but it kept the costs lower.
After watching the trailer, I thought that Angelina might be a good person to direct the movie version of “Beautiful Ruins.” The scenery looks similiar and the couple she and Brad play seem like they may be Richard Burton/Elizabeth Taylor types.
Yes, great idea. I loved that book. Is anyone attached to it, assuming it’s been optioned?
I would imagine she knows it isn’t going to do huge business, and wants to keep the ad costs down so that the studio can’t complain about the film losing a lot of money (translation: them looking for excuses not to hire her as a director again. Like how female superhero movies “won’t work” because Halle Berry’s Catwoman flopped a decade ago).
But I’m really surprised at the $30 million number, I would have thought the filming would have been around or under $5 million, plus a little more for ads.
Filming was ten million, not 30 million. Ten million is on the high end for an indie, but it’s not even close to 30 million. On a 10 million dollar movie, marketing and ads would never be triple the cost of making the movie. Deadline’s 30 million dollar number makes no sense.
Maybe that is the crux of their negative article. They say it’s thirty and they can’t really argue for that once it’s all said and done if the official cost DOESN’T include all these other extraneous costs such as to be found in a marketing campaign. Angie and Brad are taking their future argument away from them.
OK thanks, the $30 mil seemed very high for what this looks like it is. $10 mil seems more in line with it. If that’s the case it will probably do OK at the box office, but I don’t see it being some breakout hit.
I totally agree that men get a pass on their vanity projects- she as much as entitled to one as anyone. Now back to this actual movie- I too saw a theatrical trailer( the one she didn’t like??), and thought it looked a mess. The thing that came to my mind were the old Burton/Taylor movies- two gorgeous people, interesting scenery and then nothing. And hope to goodness the “Who’s afraid-” vibe from some scenes is not the tenor of the entire movie.
Wow, I have to laugh at the claws that come out always on first posts yesterday and today about Angie. She didn’t get where she is at today by being how she is described above. How do people get so negatively invested in such a celebrated actress and a great humanitarian! I can’t wait to see her and Brad together in this film and it will make money just because it’s them. I bet their chemistry will be amazing. I am quite sure she is far less self indulgent than just about every other male director and actor out there.
Right? Like rabid dogs.
Yep they smell blood so they come but when the movies actually becomes a hit – they are silent…
Her haters are truly truly scary.
I look forward to watching it, it will be lovely to see them together again on the screen. Without seeing it and actually being able to tell whether it is good or not, the discussion is irrelevant.
ALL big stars and directors commit to “vanity” projects that for some reason are near and dear to their heart – and here you have two major stars who wanted to do this together. I have no idea what the true budget was, but I would be surprised if the movie didn’t at least break even for the simple reason that people will pay to see them together as a couple on screen. And if the studio is okay making zero or little money on it, why is it anyone else’s business?
We don’t hear the same kind of outrage over many other similar vanity films – not sure if the sheer amount of hateful despicable comments (check Dlisted yesterday and decide for yourself – it’s as if she killed everyone’s puppy AND kitten) is simply because she is Angie or whether it is because she is Angie and a woman too.
If the movie ends up being a flop I wont say she should be encouraged and parsed for it, but neither should we expect her to pour ashes on her head and dress in rags. In an ideal world all movies should be good and successful and attract the right audience. Real life though is far from that – I watched the awful Bale movie Kings and Gods or something with him playing Moses and oh my word it was horrendous despite a star studded cast, a huge budget and a celebrated director. Should none of those people work again in the business? Or should we reserve our scorn for one of the few powerful women in the biz and call her, as one commenter said above a “b*tch” and “an ungrateful cow”? (That comment by the way was so mean and undeserved. Angie is by most accounts a non-diva director and actress, and she always comes across as very grateful for all her opportunities.)
Agree a million times
@ vauvert,
I think that poster was being sarcastic and actually defending Angelina’s right to control and market her film the way the other directors mentioned have been allowed to do.
I thought so too but I wasn’t sure (a little too nuanced for me).
Thanks for this exhaustive and well thought out rebuttal to the lowly piece degrading the powerful woman, mother, wife, friend and humanitarian. Don’t forget to include FFers along with Dlist. Angie may forgive them, God may forgive them but I never will.
Yes, like Zut Alors said, “ungrateful cow” was being used sarcastically. That poster was defending Angelina.
@vauvert. As zut alors and Marny said, I was being facetious. Maybe I should have labeled it as sarcasm. I was trying to point out that the directors I mentioned and probably many lesser lights didn’t get the same troubles as AJ because of their xy chromosomes.
Apart from that misunderstanding, I agree with everything in your post.
of course by the sea is a vanity project that could very well suck but haven’t angie and brad earned it? they have both been in the business over 20 years and have been huge starts the entire time. A list all the way. if they aren’t entitled to a few vanity projects, who is?! also – even if this WASN’T a vanity project because she is a woman who is taking charge over her own film and the business around it – it would be slated as a vanity project. They called Unbroken a vanity project too.
woody allen exclusively makes self-indulgent crap. Irrational Man had a tent pole, oscar nominated cast and only made $15M. Even though he is famously under budget and makes pretty good money for shit no one wants to see – for every Annie Hall he makes 20 pieces of garbage and has been doing it for 40 years. sure people call him self indulgent but also a genius and endless praise for how prolific he is, even if most of his output is barely watchable.
They were actors. She’s a director. This is only her third movie, second screenplay. You are judged only on being a director/writer, having nothing to do with her career as an actor.
All directors have a learning curve. Few start out as great as Ben Affleck did with writing and directing after being an actor for years. But Angelina’s second movie was a detailed war movie and she did a good job for such a wide scope and it was a hit. It wasn’t a great movie, but it was a good movie that everyone I know enjoyed. That doesn’t mean she’s a good screenplay writer though. So in that respect this will be judged because she’s the screenplay writer/director on only her third movie coming off of a strong second movie. She still doesn’t have a body of work yet to coast on.
She’s smart to downplay it as a vanity project, small intimate film, so I don’t believe it hurts her. She will get another directing gig. If the writing is bad, she may not get a writing/directing gig too soon, though. If her screenplay is decent, then she will still have clout on writing another movie to direct.
i get your point. but woody allen has only made about 10 good movies out of 50 – that’s 20%. jolie has made 1 good movie out of 3 (one yet to be seen) – that is 30%.
why does he get slated as an auteur for making 50 movies starring himself and his girlfriends (or characters that are thinly veiled versions of himself and his girlfriends) yet when she does the same thing she is a self indulgent brat?
i understand she has to cut her teeth as a director but as you might know hollywood will give millions of dollars to stars doing whatever they please, acting or directing, whether they are good or not, experienced or not. and angelina jolie will get to be a director again if this is good or not and will write anything she wants b/c she can probably self produce any film she wanted at this point. she is very powerful in hollywood.
BUT the problem is not her talent or clout. the problem with this whole thing is that even though she is arguably one of the most powerful people in hollywood, she (or any woman) has to put up with this deadline article bullshit, even when the work is successful. female films are called vanity projects and the women in charge are spoiled and demanding. or the case of kathryn bigelow, accused of their films really being directed by their ex-husband.
when men do it, even unsuccessfully, they are simply entitled to get more opportunities with very little criticism comparatively.
I agree. But she did co-write her next script (with the author), “First They Killed My Father”…….she’ll be filming that later this month.
IDK, as far as promo–I think they kept it small because they want to keep expectations down. I remember when it was announced that she was directing “Unbroken”…..immediately afterwards, all I heard was that it was going to be the movie that was going to get her a Best Director/Picture award. Obviously it didn’t–but that was the narrative, that it was gonna win alllll the Oscars. And I think that hurt the perception of the film.
BTS has tried to avoid that–every once in a while, I still see comments that call it a vanity project or another failed attempt for Oscah! glory……..but by and large, it’s not overhyped, like “Unbroken” was. There isn’t any real expectation, just curiosity. Which I think is good. IDK, I think for a 10 million dollar movie, promo is fine. I think it’s not considered “enough” because it’s Brad and Angelina. They’re damned if they do, damned if they don’t.
And it seems to me that they’re focusing a majority of the promo overseas–I’ve seen Italian tv spots on youtube. I think here in the US, word of mouth (beyond the sponsered FB ads of the trailer) will have to do.
@Lizzie, Woody keeps his costs down to enable him to keep making his movies his way, bad or good, and only has a small audience for the most part anyway. He is considered an auteur because he has written some classics for the ages, written and directed them, acted in many, that are still hailed as brilliant. He deserves that place in history. I don’t think anyone denies he’s made a lot of blah movies added with that considering his huge filmography.
Bob Dylan and Neil Young both have a huge discography, still making records, many duds (with filler), too many some would say. That doesn’t take away from the body of work they created that stands the test of time and is critically acclaimed. Bowie the same.
These are all artists that are prolific in their craft and will be until they day they die and made enough brilliant work that the average or subpar work will never take away from that.
They earned that recognition and aren’t beholden to big labels or big studios as they continue on in their niche.
Agreed, Jayna.
That Deadline article was a straight up hit piece. I think it was already written up and given to the writer to publish in exchange for some quid pro quo. Isn’t Anita Busch the same writer Nikke Finke called out for getting her weekly box office projections from Harvey Weinstein and getting it wrong all the time? (not suggesting that HW is behind this particular article).
I remember Angelina publicly stating from the beginning it was going to be a “small, small film, the type of film in which they are normally not cast”. I also thought they received tax incentives to shoot in Malta which drove costs down. The snippy tone about an indie movie shooting in Malta in that Deadline article was telling. Where are they getting this $30 million amount? The icing on the cake is the not so subtle suggestion that it has not been screened for critics, therefore it must be bad.
What is it with these articles about Angelina always implying she’s holding these studio heads hostage to her whims? They are trying really hard to fit her in to the “spoiled brat” box.
I think she’s right in wanting to keep expectations low. She wrote this film, it’s only her third directorial experience and it’s a hardsell story. She and Brad are really the attractions but if the studio thought they were getting Mr and Mrs Smith Pt 2 then they’re nuts–did they read the proposal? It was always going to be a low-budget (for Hollywood) low grossing (for Brad and Angie) film–whatever it makes is probably going to be on name recognition alone. If she and Brad were out there touting this as the next coming of World War Z and Maleficent, I think it’d be dishonest. I’m sure they’d like good critical feedback and for people to see it but I don’t think anyone should’ve thought this would be a huge box office success. But $30 million combined cost & publicity? That’s not hard to make back in this day and age if you have name recognition and worldwide appeal–which they definitely do. Between US, International, streaming and DVD (sales and rental) I think it’ll be fine. Even Our Brand and Burnt will be okay because neither of them were huge budget movies with pretty limited promotional push and Burnt has a huge number of international actors to help sell the movie overseas. None of these movies is going to be a John Carter/Tomorrowland kind of box office loser.
October was horrible for a lot of movies. There was so many adult-themed movies and only Martian and Bridge of Spies with Tom Hanks/Steven Spielberg (critically acclaimed by audiences and reviewers and building audiencewise) are considered successes.
Truth (Rathergate), with Cate Blanchett and Robert Redford has bombed. One million dollars so far. I wanted to go out and support Cate and Robert as being a female lead and older male star lead, but the reviews are so-so.
The latest Jobs movie has bombed.
Burnt, Bradley Cooper, bombing.
Brand in Crisis, Sandra Bullock and Billy Bob Thornton. I wanted to support her, because it was a male role she went after, and because she’s a 51-year-old woman in a lead role. And I want her to keep her clout in the industry. But it bombed, so my dollahs won’t help her. I will watch it on DVD.
I will probably watch a lot of these on DVD.
Angie’s movie won’t stick out like a sore thumb if it doesn’t do well.
“With just a lucky few exceptions, the October box office has turned into a graveyard of box-office bombs, with a glut of adult dramas and awards hopefuls taking some of the biggest hits. “The last two weeks have been a box-office bloodbath,” observed Exhibitor Relations box-office analyst Jeff Bock. “I’m not sure Hollywood has ever witnessed this many misfires on back-to-back weekends. It truly is a real-life horror show.” ”
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/box-office-october-scare-why-835836
Some of us are already sick of the election and politics and the US presidential vote isn’t until next November! I wonder if Our Brand in Crisis would have been better as a summer release 2016, closer to election time?
@notaugarhere, yeah, I could care less about a political satire movie. And points have been made in some articles that all of the other type movies like this over the years haven’t done well. A political thriller if it it’s good is a different story. Like has been said, people are already becoming oversaturated with politics with the debates going on and a dramedy is hard to pull off. I also read that the marketing was horrible and the studio took responsibility that how they marketed the story wasn’t effective and many have said the name of the movie was a terrible name. I will watch it on DVD eventually because I love Sandra Bullock and Billy Bob Thornton in movies. And I will see Truth on DVD because I so love Cate Blanchett and Robert Redford.
Bradley Cooper’s Burnt suffered from oversaturation of reality chef shows and it was stated so why would anyone want to pay money to see this.
A lot of misfires this month for sure with adult-fare movies. I am just such a fan of Sandra’s that I hate to see her have such a flop. But the bottom line is for Burnt, Our Brand in Crisis and Truth the reviews were so-so. Only the Steve Jobs movie had stronger reviews but nobody really seems to care about another Steve Jobs movie enough to run out to the theatre. It should do better on rental.
It has been a pretty brutal few weeks for new releases.
Agreed, Kori. +1 to everything you said.
I don’t even quite understand this. You either let her have her way or don’t let her have her way but don’t let her have her way and then complain about it! I think this article looks worse for Universal than Angelina.
This type of movie would cost 30 million if the actors were receiving their full usual salaries, which I suspect it is not the case at all.
Someone said on IMDB that with such a small budget, if it flops it will not affect meaningfully what they usually do.
We already know what types of movies make money, and they are doing a movie that is a total opposite. Tree of life, for example in my country was hardly in the cinemas, and it was a beauty, but they are more art films. That movies was about 30 million dollars, and I bet a lot went towards cinematography and filming at the right time, it took a long time to film, IIRC.
Angelina, in her 2 former movies as a director has kept within the budget and time (unlike Gonzalez Iñarritu, why do you cut out his complete last name?).
God, I hated Tree of Life. Horrible movie. H-A-T-E-D. My friend and I think we are stranded on an island because everyone else seems to love it.,
beautiful to see, hard to follow. I once went on a binge of French /European films and was left with a lot of questions. I still wonder some things about a film I do not remember the name of. It was about a child…
I guess I am too “Americanized” , I want easy to understand movies, hahaha.
Lol, the only Malick film I LOVE is “A New World”…..I am interested in seeing “The Tree of Life”, because of the themes……but I think Malick gets caught up in visuals and has cheesy/pretentious writing.
Because of Badlands I tend to forgive Malick for anything. I admired Brad for taking the role in Tree and it had a beautiful performance by Chastain IMO.
Seems there’s a lot of face saving mixed message damage control going around with this project. All concerned, not just Angelina and Brad.
As a writer-director-producer Angelina hasn’t earned being given carte-blanche, so it sounds as if she’s been allowed it on the back of her (&Brad) Brand media presence. This also explains why the roll out promotion is primarily focused on the Jolie-Pitts personal lives, health, and kids.
Not popular to say here but I’m finding the promo on this as disconnected and, dare I say, a bit distasteful and exploitative. I am not a fan of either and, as films, don’t rate her last two efforts. But, I’d have been genuinely interested to read/hear her talk about this from the position of a film maker – a passion project without seeming passion for discussing the work itself seems odd to me.
I don’t need to know about her mother, her lack of culinary skills, her surgeries, or her children. There’s source for that aplenty already. She made a movie (her name is attached to most of the main job title aspects of it) yet the film itself seems a secondary after-thought in all their promo and that ought not to be whether a blockbuster OR an art-house – in fact, as art-house THE MOVIE really ought to be where it’s at; not the extraneous ‘personal imaging’ they’ve chosen to lead with.
As she is a relatively new film maker on a developing arc, then talking about film ought to be a given if she is to be thought credible rather than merely indulged for other reasons.
Hope this doesn’t set off too many CB flares as I don’t think anything I’ve said is particularly unreasonable in context.
Good points.
I agree with you about exploiting the personal life to sell the movie. That kind of put me off. The Brangelina fame is what allowed this to get made in the first place. I still think if Angelina were a male filmmaker, there would be less attacks.
@dip pit, you’re saying you “don’t need to know about her mother, her lack of culinary skills, her surgeries, or her children”. Why didn’t you just pass by this story? Seems strange to waste time reading a about someone you are not interested in. Just asking.
Actually @BNA. FN, what seems more strange to me is that you think I need to be particularly interested in Angelina (as a “someone”) to have a valid interest in reading about, forming a view, and commenting in terms of a movie.
There are plenty of writers/directors/producers/actors I know very little of outside of their films (body of work), I read posts (sometimes comment) about them. No different.
A few years back, she was promoting a movie ( I think it was ” A Mighty Heart”, but I might be wrong) and she asked, or her agent asked, press to keep questions just about the movie. It was absolute outrage and revolt. She was called on trying to influence press and trying to control them. There were accusatory articles writen about it. So, what should she do? Should she just talk about movie and not herself? She told the story that inspired her to write the movie. Everyone talks about themselves, and it is fine, but she irritates people that don’t like her.
Maybe she should just talk about her exercise and hair care regimes. *eye roll*
I agree with you that I find the marketing of the film to be odd. I’m a Brangeloonie and I love hearing tidbits about their personal lives, but I feel like for this film, I’d like to hear more about the process of writing, directing, etc – not photo shoots with the kids and discussions of who cooks.
She has done that..
there are Production notes that talk about this. The promotion has just begun. So wait and see what comes next.
@BNA – one short sentence in a fullish comment signals I have no right to express an opinion on any aspect of the wider BTS promotion (upcoming release)? And worth noting, the post title was about the movie (its promotion), my comment focused on the movie (its promotion), you seem to be the one furthering the assumption that the root of all Angelina related posts will be/should be Angelina the daughter, mother, etc centric and “don’t like it, walk on by”.
I would have been really interested in hearing her as a film maker – particularly as this is thought to be a passion project. I might have found some of what she had to say questionable, I might not. I’ll never know, as she seems to have chosen to lead the promotion for this with ‘Brangelina the Brand’ NOT Angelina the third-outing film maker. If any other director-writer-producer (man or woman) promo-ed a movie with a somewhere around 90:10 (personal extraneous life: the film) ratio eyebrows would raise. Think Clooney ‘Tomorrowland’ and he had fewer hats worn on that project. And both of them are barely touching on it as actors would by way of promo either. It is odd (fan of them or no fan past times).
@blueskies, I have no point of reference on that so fair play, take your word that was an issue back then. However, she was not the film maker then, yes (?). It is a different dynamic (especially as she is wearing so many hats on this) and she seems to have opted not to (in terms of promotion) particularly own or speak to the wearing of any of those hats much. And even then with your example, that too would have seemed an imbalance (even with her only wearing ‘actor in movie’ hat). I’m not saying zero personal, but there is a balance to be struck and when you are writer-director-producer-lead in a movie, not talking (much and only in very vague terms) about the movie itself is odd.
She wasn’t the director on A Mighty Heart, but it was a project that got made because of her and Pitt. Originally acquired by Plan B productions before the divorce iirc, he got Plan B in the divorce and it was one of the producers of the film. It could easily have gotten out of hand with personal questions if the restrictions hadn’t been put in place.
@notasugarhere – in terms of that time (and the whole ‘triangle’ wasn’t much on my radar as it played out), and the circumstances – especially if, as I didn’t know, the rights were originally bought by Brad/Jen(PlanB, yes?) it makes sense she/they tried to minimise personal questions.
I just don’t see then, or that, as being a like-for-like applying to BTS. It’s all long past and eveybody has surely moved on. If they still had a concern THAT might be raised (be shoehorned in by journalists on the make for a headline) then it’s even more odd they’ve given the majority of their promo weighting (thus far) to their personal concerns, opposed to focusing on the film and their (her) multi-roles in the film making.
There are directors/producers/etc I don’t have much time for as people from the bits I’ve gleened of them as folks. But, if they engage in discussing a particular project during promo, I don’t write the potential for enjoying that particular film off because I don’t like them (Fifty Shades probably being my only recent exception to proving my rule on that. I just couldn’t with pretty much anyone on that AND the material).
So far, Angelina and Brad are not seeming to me to be ‘selling’ a film, and I’m, personally, disconnected from whatever it may be they are pushing in all the interviews… thus far.
Agreed.
Besides, all of her projects are her passions as it is linked to her personal life (humanitarians, what makes humans human, good vs. bad, relationships etc). It is influenced by the life she leads and the topics she is interested in exploring. She doesn’t pick projects that aren’t close to her heart. The promo for her other two films was balanced, it focused on the technical as well as the emotional aspect of her (newly gained) directing skills in combination with talking about her family life. I don’t know why that’s not happening here. Even when she discusses the script, it’s linked to her family life in a much more obvious way than it was with the other 2 films. I don’t know why they made this choice exactly.
I agree, I would like to hear more about her film making process, what it’s like to be a female director in very male dominated Hollywood, the differences in directing vs directing and acting, this smaller movie vs the bigger one she did, etc. Given her high profile (what other new directors get an Entertainment Weekly cover?), she has opportunities to create a lot of attention and discussion to those points.
Certainly there would be some personal life questions as there are to most actors when promoting, but the bits of coverage I’ve seen about this have almost all been personal, and in general I don’t like actors using their personal lives to sell their projects.
I’m nervous because three cities is very limited release, and that no critics have seen the movie yet. It’s out in two days.
I hope it does well enough to roll out nationwide.
No, premiere is in two days. It is out in cinemas on November 13th.
No. It’s a limited release in a few days in three cities.
Boxofficemojo says it opens limited on November 13. They also have budget at $10 million.
Well it is opening in a theater near me.. So I’m good. And I’m not in NYC, LA or Canada
Only question I have is why did she not get a better wig?
Angelina wanted to make a small art film, but you have people who think they should release it wide and market it like Mr and Mrs Smith 2. They can make the budget back with overseas money. I don’t know if this film is good or not. It might even be pretentious. I just think just like Scott Rudin in those infamous emails people are harder on Angelina because she’s a woman and she’s hugely famous. Men are allowed to be as self indulgent and difficult as they want to be and they are considered great, complex artists.
Well, I think that Deadline has made a story out of some snarky speculation and honestly some people love to hate movies stars.
But….it’s hard to fathom how anyone could of thought that this was anything but a personal art -type project with limited theatrical release and VOD type distribution. In fact I think, the on demand model encourages these kind of projects. A lot of the most interesting acting and productions have been happening on HBO, Showtime, Netflix et al, for sometime. I think that for ageing movie stars to make a move in that direction might actually add to the longevity of their careers,
Honestly, I think that Brad has made some interesting career choices, taking roles in and producing films that are all blockbusters. He doesn’t seem desperate to extend his life as the stereotypical leading man, at all.
And, why shouldn’t she do what she wants?
Sorry. “….taking roles in and producing films that AREN’T all blockbusters.”
Seems like calling it an indie film with that budget is her way of dodging the inevitable bad reviews and poor box office. It’s not supposed to do well, remember? Yeah, sure.
I don’t believe this movie has a $30 million budget. If so, I’m sure they would be doing way more promo than they have done. $10 million sounds more accurate. I doubt $20 million was spent on a V magazine interview, Vogue interview, and their interview on the Today show. They aren’t here, there, and everything promoting this film, so that $30 million budget sounds like a lie.
I agree. And if they said it, then it’s true. They wouldn’t lie. Besides they are the main actors. All Angie and Brad did is probably what Richard Gere and Susan Sarandon did for a first-time feature director making an independently produced movie, financial thriller Arbitrage. They accepted a percentage of the profits on the back end and only got a nominal fee to star in it up front. It was a risk but they loved the script, and the director/screenwriter couldn’t afford them with his $12 million budget. The movie was also released on VOD at the same time it came out in theatres and it worked beautifully that way.
Where Angie shot the movie, Malta, it probably ate up a lot of their budget. They produced this movie. Angie directed it. So they both have an investment in this movie. I just don’t think they took much of a salary. if any. to act. More likely a percentage of profits, if any.
@Jayna
Agree.
And wanted to say…even if I didn’t agree with some of your comments (it’s the Brangeloonie-ness in me, lol, I’ll work hard at suppressing it!), they really made me think (especially since I don’t know a lot about how indie films are marketed), and I enjoyed them!
🙂
I do believe it costed $30 millon. Jolie shot it in a very expensive location and she brought in alot of last minute editors like she did with Unbroken. Also the fact that they are calling it a small indie is laughable. Since it was only recently changed to limited release from wide release.
Game of Thrones has filmed in Malta as just one of their locations, and add to that the costumes and effects, cast , etc. The budget, I read is around 100 per season.
By the Sea was filmed from mid August to mid November last year, so around 12 weeks tops. AJ has stayed within budget in her projects.
I cannot see how the budget would blow up from 10 to 30 million.
Would love to know who said that about the budget. mmmmmh
I thought that she got this as part of the deal for directing Unbroken. They liked what they saw in Unbroken and gave her money for BTS with script unfinished.
Jolie is going to be fine.
There was a bidding war for the script.. and Universal got it. Other studios wanted it as well.
There was no bidding for the script. She got it as a deal when they signed her on Unbroken before the movie came out as a flop.
I agree it may not do so bad and it will at least break even. Unlike the last few George Clooney films who have really cost the studios. Tomorrowland was a huge disaster for Disney. I think Angelina is smart she and Brad have done a couple of interviews and a couple of pap shots everyone knows about the movie and she has saved the studio money you would think they would be thrilled.
It will not break even when its only playing in 3 cities. How is that possible? The film costed $30 million to make.
LMAO…..going around like a thief in the night, with your pathetic snark. smdh Game on, fvcker, as Brad would say.
A Mee Man
For you to resort to calling me a f———– when I didn’t even say anything bad says alot about you.
AND FYI, I am not sure if you failed math repeatably in high school but there is no way for a movie that costed 30 million to make and is only playing in 3 cities under limited release to become a hit or break even. I suggest you go back to school.
I can’t wait to see it. I love to see Angelina on the big screen. And I will certainly pay to see Angelina and Brad together in a relationship drama. Good she’s holding them back from the big advertising. They did that already for unbroken. This one will stand on its own. Can’t wait.
I don’t see this as exploiting her health, her mother, her marriage or her family. She made a movie that she had personal reasons for wanting to write, direct and produce. Brad shares her interest. At least enough to star and produce. I think she knows that she has great fans who want to see pictures of her, the kids, Brad and want to hear about her life, her love and her family. She is giving interviews and mag covers for the fans who love her and Brad and wish them well. She and Brad produced this film. They know how to orchestrate matters so everyone makes enough money so that they don’t lose anything. And she and Brad get to do an art film, a small little film, like she’s said. A film so small and different, for American audiences who love action and don’t understand nuance. So, she gets the chance, for once in her life, for her and her love to go out on a limb and act. As she said, it may not be “safe” but, life is short. Kudos to her. I can’t wait to see this lovely film.
If you think that trotting out every possible personal story for a film isn’t exploitative, that’s a matter of opinion I guess. And that’s ok. I personally don’t think it’s tasteful and I’d rather watch a movie where I don’t know everything about the actor, but rather watch because said actor is simply watchable and the work speaks for itself. I take issue, however, with the idea that anyone who doesn’t like the idea of an art house film with these two in it is simply a mindless consumer of action/blockbuster drivel. I love art house and indie films and prefer them to anything else. These two aren’t good enough actors to really make this believable, and she’s not a good enough director, so if it ends up proving history wrong and suddenly they’re both Shakespearean artistes (love how they constantly refer to themselves that way. Even the best of the best in their line of work don’t call themselves that on a constant basis, though some definitely have the credentials to do so if they wanted) I’ll eat my hat I guess.
A film so small and so different for American audiences? LOL I find that insulting. She may be filming a movie different from her usual movies, but the niche she’s filming in, smaller indie, is not new here in America. There is an audience.
Small indie movies are made here all the time. What are you talking about, acting like we don’t understand nuance? The indie film market has been alive and well in America for a long time and movies made for way less than $10 million usually. Still Alice was made for $5 million and Julianne Moore won an Oscar.
Blockbusters are a different category and are two separate animals and made for large, commercial audiences. Indies are for smaller audiences.. Julianne Moore does a lot of indie movies. Marisa Tomei, on and on. Richard Linklater and his Before Sunrise trilogy movies are amazing, and he’s from Texas. The man is as independent as you can get in his filmmaking. As a, director/writer, his indie movie, Boyhood, was nominated for best movie last year. It cost $4 million to make.
We’ve got some great film festivals here in America that draw so many people and showcase a lot of indie movies. We had one here in my city and people piled in for it. Sundance is the most known, of course.
Our problem isn’t indie movies that, if good, have an audience. It’s bigger budget adult-themed slower relationship type movies having an audience.
Honestly, Angie’s movie is very reminiscent of Richard Linklater’s third movie in the trilogy, Before Midnight. It was shot in Greece, a couple on vacation. It was a movie about a couple at a crossroads and other couples there and the interactions. His movie cost $3 million to make and received an Oscar nomination for the screenplay by Linklater/Ethan Hawke/Julie Delpy. It was all dialogue. Not that By the Sea’s plot is the same, but has that same relationship dialogue type movie set against beautiful scenery.
We do have niches for arthouse films in the US but nobody is interested in seeing Angelina direct one. She doesn’t have the kind of skills to pull it off I think. I mean Linkater never had one of his movies get changed from wide to limited release like By the Sea did. Black Swan was a arthouse film that costed only $13 million to make but ended up getting a box office of $106 million and also Oscar nominations and wins like Best Actress for Natalie Portman. Jolie doesn’t have the skills to pull off a film like that no matter what her fans say. By the Sea costed 3$0 million to make btw. So no way will this movie be a box office it since its been put to limited release and is only playing in 3 cities. Its not possible .
@Jessica, “Nobody is interested in seeing Angelina direct one.” The same might have been said for Unbroken and it was a hit. You don’t know if she has the skills, I don’t either, for an art house film. No reviews yet.
As far as limited release, is that for the Oscar bait, to get in in time to qualify, and then plans to release it for a wider release later?
@ Jayna, Nobody went to see Unbroken because Angelina was directing it. It was based off a famous book written by Lauara Hillanbrand. And I wouldn’t really call Unbroken it a hit. Jolie brought in alot of last minutes editing and touch ups which also add to the cost of the overall production. Plus she campaigned pretty hard too( don’t say she didn’t because she was doing it like everyone else in Hollywood) and Oscar campaign also adds to the budget too.
As for the limited release. Are you aware that By the Sea was originally slated for wide release but Universal only changed it to limited weeks ago? They will not change it from wide to limited to wide again. I honestly don’t think the movie must be good for that to have made this decesion.