Here are some photos of Taylor Swift out to dinner with Lena Dunham last night in NYC. Taylor’s bob looks much cuter here than at the Grammys, right?
Anyway, Demi Lovato was one of several dozen high-profile celebrity women tweeting about the ruling in Kesha’s case to break her contract with Dr. Luke. You could feel the emotion behind Demi’s tweets, and like so many women, she seemed absolutely disgusted with the fact that Kesha is legally bound to a man she has accused of rape. Demi tweeted:
Frustrating to see women come forward with their past only to be shot down, not believed & disrespected for their bravery in taking action. Happens way too often. I’m ready for women to be taken just as seriously as men…Someone tell me why anyone would ever feel brave enough to come forward if they are most likely to be ignored or called a liar? I’m also ready for self-proclaimed feminists to start speaking out or taking action for women’s rights. Women empowerment is speaking up for other women even when it’s something uncomfortable to speak up about.
I honestly thought “self-proclaimed feminists” could have been a reference to anyone, but almost everyone else thought it was a reference to Taylor Swift and Swift’s “silence” on the Kesha thing. Except that the same time Demi was tweeting, Kesha’s mom was tweeting and confirming that Taylor had actually donated $250,000 to Kesha’s legal defense:
Taylor Swift last night gave a quarter million dollars to fellow pop star Kesha, as she battles to get out of a contract with Dr. Luke, whom she has accused of sexually assaulting her.
“Taylor Swift has just generously donated $250,000 to Kesha, as a show of support during this difficult time. AMAZING!!” tweeted the “Tik Tok” singer’s mom, Pebe Sebert.
“A persons wealth is not measured by what they have but by WHO they they help with it. And Taylor Swift is a truly RICH PERSON. Thank you,” she continued. “Most important for Kesha, is that these beautiful, powerful women are standing behind her, letting the world see how powerful the truth is!”
Good for Swifty. Did Taylor do it for good PR or because she’s a true believer in Kesha? Does it really matter? I’m being serious – I didn’t expect women in the music industry to rally behind Kesha, so I’ve been surprised and pleased by the support she’s been getting. It feels like… there are plenty of women in the industry who don’t have a problem going against Dr. Luke, which makes me feel like there are more stories coming out about him. Anyway, I doubt Taylor donated money to Kesha just to “look good” or because Demi tweeted something.
Also: Taylor was the maid of honor at her best friend’s wedding this weekend. Her BFF chose a really pretty maid of honor dress for Taylor, right?
Photos courtesy of Fame/Flynet.
Taylor maybe calculating and what not but I don’t think anyone can deny that she generally cares about other people within the industry.
Agreed. She can be annoying but I think she’s a good person. Several years ago she came to my hometown to attend prom with a fan. It was all very low key and incredibly sweet.
I think she’s like the rest of the world: A three-dimensional human being with positive and negative traits. Maybe she truly is a narcissistic and ruthless businesswoman. That doesn’t mean she can’t genuinely care for other people.
Yes.
She does a lot of good for fans too – she does a lot more than many many celebrities, and because of that, I’ll always have a soft spot for her.
This. I can get up in all the drama that Taylor seems to inspire, but then she’ll do something like this. I think she’s a good person; not perfect, but a good-hearted, kind person.
I’m Team Kesha all the way. I have no idea where she stands financially but I’m sure the money will help. Her legal expenses will not be inconsequential. Demi needs to understand there are various ways to be supportive not only her way. Taylor undoubtedly has power but one must be aware of how and when to wield power. This battle is far from over. In the heat of the moment I believe Demi spoke from the heart. One could also lash out at Demi and say talking and tweeting are fine but what have you really accomplished? What are you doing to forward Kesha’s case? Do you have experience with Dr Luke you can share or are you merely expressing your indignation with the whole situation? How can you apply pressure in a way that forwards Kesha’s case? Your tweets are lovely but there is little action behind them other than your typing. No shade intended only an acknowledgment that for all Demi has been through and done with her own experiences she must step back and consider that fruit is not born from only one seed.
Yes, yes and yes.
A few years ago, a lady in her 60s told me the story of her divorce – she walked in on her husband of several decades in bed with another woman. She said her friends for the most part followed what I’ll call the Demi Route. Lots of “rah rah” talk but no action. Then she said she had one friend that took her aside and point blank said: “do you need money? do you need a place to stay?” THAT was the type of help she really needed. Unfortunately her husband held the financial power. All the words and talk were relatively useless to her, but for someone to offer practical assistance – without which she’d be unable to aggressively pursue the best settlement in a divorce – mean the world to her, and probably changed the outcome of the divorce and her life.
For some reason I thought of this story when I saw Taylor’s reaction and Demi’s reaction. I don’t worship Taylor, but I think what she did was generous and right.
Demi still made it all about herself and said that she wasn’t impressed cause Taylor had yet to tweet about it, and then said she was actually doing something instead of giving out money or something like that. What an idiot.
I see where she is coming from, but she is using the situation to target Swift instead of focusing on the important topic.
And besides, this will help more than a simple tweet. The media picked up the story, it’s raising more awareness than b listed celebrities tweets
What? Demi sounds like a self righteous judgmental PoS. Armchair activists dont get to judge people who actually stepped away from their screens to actually DO something. And I dont even like Taylor. Gross
I completely agree.
The same with your comment further downthread about Demi being reportedly worth over $20m but not having 250k available to donate.
This makes Demi look ridiculously petty, arguing about who’s the better feminist whilst tweeting from an ivory tower.
Actions really do speak louder than words.
Jesus wept. At least this might bring more attention to Kesha’s insufferable treatment.
From my perspective, I’m just still confused why someone can’t do both. And I don’t mean that Taylor should have tweeted about her donation, but rather that she could have explicitly stated her support (even if it was just using the hashtag #freekesha). Surely that would also have sent a clear message to the millions of people (and especially young teen girls who admire her) that it is important to voice our objections about the treatment of Kesha and injustice.
It’s true that maybe the awareness raised from B list celebrities tweeting won’t be that huge, but Taylor Swift is definitely an A list celebrity whose voice is heard loudly. It’s also odd to me how much emphasis has been put on the amount of money, with some saying actions speak louder than words. But not everyone is a multi-millionaire who can donate and it’s so important to reinforce to people (and again to younger women) that our collective voices actually do help. Sometimes even more than money.
I do think that Demi, as a survivor of sexual assault herself, has made it a personal issue and perhaps she should have found a better way of addressing it. But these kinds of issues are complex and messy, and I don’t think I’d call her an idiot because of it since I do think she genuinely cares about these things. She certainly has her own flaws that she must work through. Whatever does happen, I really hope the support Kesha has been receiving has made Kesha strengthen her own resolve.
I agree with you, which is why I think it’s a shame she’s acting this way. You’d think that, being a survivor of such things herself, she’d be more empathetic, leave all pettiness aside and focus her concern on Kesha’s well being, but no. She had to go there.
the issue is not so much that actions speak louder than words, but that Demi thinks (her) tweets speak louder than everything.
on the one hand she’s saying ‘feminism = supporting women, and then feminism = tweeting, then she follows up with belittling women on twitter, and the convo becomes about impressing Demi instead of supporting Kesha. She really missed the mark. It’s not even about the amount of money.
financial support, moral support, private support, public support -> all ways of support.
Lets assume that she even had a point (and she doesnt), she should either contact Taylors people quietly and make her case OR file it away for after Keshas story is concluded. Instead, she turned Keshas nightmare into a contest, announced herself winner and proceeded to lord it over everyone else. And then doubled down when she was corrected. I cant handle people like her.
Demi is loud because her stories about herself aren’t exactly 100% true… There are contradictions in her stories and a lot of spinning. It’s an old strategy, like hiding in plain sight. She’s so loud that many people assume she must be entirely truthful, that a liar would try to keep a low profile so no one would question their claims. But actually such noise can make it very hard for people to raise questions.
@tru I see your point and don’t think your wrong but maybe to play devils advocate here Taylor felt like adding her voice would bury Kesha and that the only voice we should hear right now is Kesha’s, and that by giving money she is helping her get her voice out. Because honestly what Demi thinks, Taylor thinks, Beyoncé thinks doesn’t matter when what we should be hearing is what Kesha has to say. I’m not saying those women shouldn’t support, THEY SHOULD, but they shouldn’t pull focus from the victim and her story.
Now Taylor tweeting something might not have pulled focus except look some nobody z lister like Demi having a Twitter fit completely changed the conversation from being about how this young woman could be forced to work with a man who assaulted her to who is doing more Demi or Taylor.
not directed at the commenters here, but if Taylor is the only ‘A list female singer’ to do anything (donate or tweet), why isn’t Demi calling out other A-listers? Like Madonna or Beyonce or Carrie Underwood, Steve Nicks, Aretha Franklin or Missy Elliot? I don’t they are obligated to say something, it would be great if they would, being females in a male dominated but the fact that she called out Taylor, who actually did something is what I find disingenuous on her part.
The fact that her publicist confirmed that she contributed 250k is a statement in and of itself.
That’s kind of Demi’s thing – look how she had to put her two cents in over the whole Zendaya Barbie thing. She always seems to be trying to one up, and make things about her. She might genuinely think she’s helping the conversation, or whatever, but it always comes off more like “someone – anyone – pay attention to meeeee”.
Ok, so inserting herself into other peoples struggles is her thing. How did I forget about that Barbie mess.
That was my reaction to Demi’s self-righteous tweet also. There is just something off about her. She loudly crafts an image of herself that doesn’t bear much scrutiny, and she’s been doing it for a long time.
Sounds like Demi is making it about herself and using a horrible experience Kesha went through and Taylor’s name to get herself press and relevancy.
I think there are a lot of negative things you can say about Taylor but she does seem to genuinely care about artists in her industry, she did this, she stood up to apple, she talks up lesser known bands to her fans. She has faults but I will give her this one. Demi just looks pathetic using something so sad and serious to get attention.
yeah, I was gonna say, cover the Demi shade! I rolled my eyes when I read that. Come on. What Kesha NEEDS is money. Meeting that need is pragmatic. Demi did make it all about her. She’s not impressed? So what? Honestly, I think she reveals why she’s such a good match with that man-boy Wilmer Valderrama (sp?).
And actually, by making a public statement about her donation to Kesha, Taylor is setting the precedent for other celebrities to do the same. If Kesha gets a lot of support from high profile artists in the music industry, she might actually get somewhere with her lawsuit.
Demi’s making this about her issues/one-sided feud with Taylor over whatever went down between Demi/Selena/Taylor instead of any substantive issue with what Taylor did. One form of support is not better than the other. They’re both useful to Kesha. Demi doesn’t seem to get that. She’s turning it into a competition that doesn’t need to exist.
I’m not a fan of Taylor most days but what she did was very cool considering how risk averse she often is when it comes to issues in the music industry that don’t directly impact/benefit her. Also, Taylor is close to mega-producer Max Martin. He produced part of 1989. Max Martin is Dr. Luke’s mentor and, along with Dr. Luke, scouted Kesha and convinced her to leave high school early and sign with Dr. Luke and is named as one of the people who witnessed Dr. Luke’s abuse and did nothing.
So, given that, $250k is a BIG statement from Taylor even without a wordy press release accompanying the donation. Taylor and Demi are showing support that they most feel is appropriate under the circumstances. Both forms of support should be respected and applauded given how silent most of the rest of the music industry has been on this issue and how often female performers get silenced and/or penalized for their views/actions that challenge the status quo.
I really do think Demi was shading Taylor even though we now know Taylor made a donation to Kesha. That wasn’t even good enough for Demi who is now saying that Taylor has more money than she does so of course Taylor can afford to donate money. I don’t see or hear about Demi making any donations even though she is a multimillionaire as well. Of course she doesn’t have Taylor Swift money but she is not hurting for money either.
Demi is going off the rails here. I am happy she is supporting Kesha but what else is she doing besides screaming about it on Twitter and Instagram and making it about her. The Kesha story is very big and has received a lot of mainstream attention, it’s not like other female artists aren’t speaking out about Kesha.
God. Demi comes off a real asshole here. Taylor is doing something. I mean I side-eye Taylor for some stuff but I don’t see how anyone can hate on her for this.
Good for Swifty.
You can say what you want but Taylor has never been stingy with donations. Good to see people supporting Kesha.
Yup, that’s one thing I’ll give her credit for as well. I actually love how Demi response to Taylor’s donation was:
“Not everyone has 250k to just give to people. Would love to but I didn’t grow up with money and def haven’t made as much as her. At least I speak up about s–t that’s uncomfortable to talk about rather than trying to be politically correct 24/7,”
LOL Is she really pulling the “I’m not rich” (even though I’m a millionaire) card when her net worth is $20 million dollars?
Demi’s obviously never read the parable of the widow’s mite. You don’t have to give millions for the gesture to mean millions.
someone should inform Demi that the saying isn’t “‘words speak louder than actions”
Wow. Stupid, you basically just told us that the only reason you even waded in was because you saw an opportunity to grab some attention and get some self righteous feel-good.
Again, Taylor is not my cup of tea but the fact that the only reason we know about the money is because Keshas mother told us wins her extra points. She demonstrated support in a practical way without trying to get fame credit for it. Learn from this Demi, ya clueless dbag.
She’s another one of many who really needs to stay off of social media. Ugh.
That’s so ridiculous to criticize someone who is helping the same cause. This situation, and Taylor’s involvement, is not Demi’s to control. If she’s truly speaking up for Kesha and not for attention, she should be thrilled for anyone else to offer help in any way.
actually this is kind of a Kanye “schools in Africa” moment. You rich people funding schools in Africa aren’t changing anything. Give it to MEEEEE!
Demi’s like, “throwing money at Kesha is a waste. Go to Capitol Hill, or it means nothing!!!!”
i don’t understand why Demi shades Taylor for giving donation. i’m sure that Taylor (or her people) have discussed it with Kesha’s people. Kesha is up against Luke (and his company) and Sony. money is important to pay for all the legal fees especially against Sony’s bottomless pit of cash. as long as Kesha can still fight, she will fight i am sure and financial support is important here too.
also, maybe there are other things that stop Taylor from publically Speaking Up so to speak. perhaps some contractual obligation with her own “indie” label (of which she/her family owns a stake…) if there is some contractual obligation or other things that pertains to her own label and the musicians and employees of her label, Speaking Up may not be an option at the moment (perhaps it may change in the future but…)
in any case, even if she doesn’t use words, she is making her position Really Clear by using money. in those parts, sometimes money speaks louder than words. and since its her own d4mn money, she can use it or donate it however and to whomever she pleases without violating those other contracts etc.
she donates 250k! that’s a lot and if that doesn’t scream support, i don’t know what does.
plus we don’t know what Taylor Swift does on the down low that she wants others to know due to those contracts etc.
“That’s so ridiculous to criticize someone who is helping the same cause. ”
Exactly! Demi is being really immature here.
well if you cant give 250k may as well give nothing….since shes crying some kind of poverty – there are levels in between
Not sure why Demi L. felt the need to lash out at feminists, self proclaimed or otherwise…
Don’t you have to sort of be self-proclaimed for such personal identifiers as feminist?
there’s an alleged feminist, closet feminist, feminist-adjacent, maybe?
And the “definitely-not-a-feminist” types who still benefit from everything feminism has given them
Oh, those are the “humanists.”
I don’t even like taylor but that generous donation was a very nice gesture. I don’t understand how anyone can take issue with her giving money especially since Kesha is probably going though a tough financial situation at the moment.
Demi ironically just pulled a taylor move by being passive aggressive over social media and not naming names (when it’s fairly obvious she’s talking about taylor).
She went on a rant about it, her first few tweets were good but then it just felt like she was attacking “someone” aka Taylor Swift. It was supposed to be about Kesha not about a petty fight between her & TSwift.
Yeah, she pretty much gave the game away when she criticized Taylor for donating money instead of “going to Capitol Hill.”
Good for Taylor but i am sure that people will find a way to criticize her again while making rants on the internet as if it was going to help keysha continue with the legal procedures and pay her attorneys.
It was definitely a nice gesture. But I gotta say that before Demi tweeted A LOT of people were asking about Swifty on my timeline just because many other popstars were tweeting support for Kesha while Taylor was tweeting about her new single. Lorde, Ariana and co talk about feminism but not in the capacity in which Taylor did for all of last year so that’s why twitter was wondering about her lack of involvement.
Just when it’s safe to dislike Swifty again, she goes and does this. Argh!
But seriously, we never would’ve known about it had Kesha’s mom not said something. Behind the scenes, Taylor is a paradox that leans toward kind of great. And I hate her for it. 😏
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Pinky, I read where you explained why you started signing off as -TheRealPinky, because of another Pinky on the site. Have you ever thought of using Pinky OG as a handle? I think it suits you. Also, not sure if the OG comes first or last.
The tweet about the single could easily have been an auto-tweet. celebs set promotional auto-tweets all the time. Maybe she was busy this weekend with her BFF’s wedding, hence the lack of Kesha tweets?
That would make perfect sense, but then what could people complain about, Kristen 😉 Honestly, I think a lot of celebs set up automatic posting on social media – hell my husband will even set up the auto-posting on his youtube channel, and he’s not at all famous.
I agree, promotional stuff is probably set up automatically, or done by some assistant.
She was at a wedding all weekend being maid of honor. I think she has better things to do than sit on Twitter.
I suspect Swift knew she’d get hammered whatever she did on this score, so she just quietly made the donation. And then Kesha’s mother publicised it.
Was a really, really good thing to do. Good for her.
Tay Tay is far from my favorite, but using her position to create a larger stage for this to be heard and perhaps make some of her fans think differently about a situation like this is spot on. *applause, Swifty
I am not a fan of her music ( i am still upset that she snagged album of the year from Kendrick at the grammys). But this is really really nice nice gesture of support and its important because she is the biggest female pop star in the world and one of the most powerful artists around. Id like to see a male artist support Kesha too.
Good for Taylor. And she just did it, without feeling the need to toot her own horn. She is walking the walk while Demi talks the talk.
Ehhhh, I read about it last night from a comment her publicist made to E! News.
Still, her money and she didn’t have to help. It is generous because Kesha needs money now to help, which might help more than Taylor saying some feminist speech, which would then make it all about her.
She put her money where her mouth is, and what’s that expression….MONEY TALKS. (:
Lucky for her to have that kind of money to donate to Kesha. I already hear the boos from the crowd, but donations that aren’t made public are the ones that come from the heart and have no ulterior motives, and yes I know it was the mother who made the donation and amount public knowledge. But, good for her and all the others helping someone in their industry in need.
Good for Taylor, and all the women (and men) who are standing up for Kesha. I hope if she needs more, there are others willing to help with her legal fees too, she’s going up against big money and power. Luke and Sony are disgusting. I am so glad the story has gotten picked up and gained traction in the media.
I appreciate Demi voicing her support, but passive aggressively attacking others is not necessary.
Taylor didn’t post the donation announcement. Kesha’s mom told the world. I think she did it out of kindness not PR.
She might seem like every move is calculated (and she has major marketing game) but she definitely has a generous heart and has continued to prove she is interested in protecting the artists.
Her team released a statement about it, though. This wasn’t a donation made in private, Taylor wanted the public to know about it.
as it should be. it is support. actions, not words. on Twitter.
Her team released a statement AFTER Kesha’s mom tweeted about it, and people went to them for confirmation. It was a private donation until the family released it.
I think it should be made public. It sends a strong message. I believe in Kesha’s story and plight so much that I’m going to donate money to help her. If she hid it, it would feel like she doesn’t want to create waves and is hiding. I think its great. My heart goes out to Kesha, the music industry and Hollywood in general can be nasty, disgusting entities.
As a side note, I kind of get what Demi is saying…like its ok to talk about pay inequality and lack of roles for older woman but this is the type of stuff that everyone usually goes radio silent on. I didn’t see where she actually used Taylor’s name either so I’m a little confused. Either way, its a little annoying that Demi may be trying to use this situation as a way to look morally superior.
I’m no Taylor Swift fan at all, but I’m not sure why it’s her responsibility to speak up about Every Single Thing in the world, ever. Maybe she didn’t want to get involved because she didn’t want to draw attention to herself in a situation which should be all about Kesha?
And Demi needs to give her head a wobble with the whole ‘fake feminist’ thing, coming from someone whose idea of empowerment seems to consist of getting naked in GQ spreads and bleating about how she’s ~celebrating her curves~ or some other bull.
I agree – except I guess I’d call myself a fan – and I don’t get why Demi was calling her out. This isn’t Taylor’s fight and she doesn’t have to weigh in on everything.
Say what you will about Taylor and her “squad” etc. She might not be everyone’s cup of tea, but has shown time and again that she has a deeply generous and compassionate heart.
Not every single thing, but Taylor spent the last two years speaking as if she had invented female friendship and sisterhood while making her feminist awakening the main point of her album promotion. So of course people would question her about #FreeKesha.
But then if she had commented, people would have said she was getting involved in things that weren’t her business – she can’t win (even now she has donated, I’ve seen people on Twitter slagging her off for it as well.) And I’m really not usually a Taylor defender, but I think people are desperate to catch her out on every little thing – it’s pathetic.
@Dbhar Nah, I think she simply would have made the list of the celebrities supporting Kesha, nobody would have questioned why she supported her.
Here is the thing she was at a friend’s wedding where she was maid of honor, she made a donation to her legal fund which is way more important and impactful then a hashtag (have we all gone mad that we think a hashtag means more then legal fees).
Also and I can’t stress this enough the voice that matters in this is KESHA!! No one else needs to be heard from- Taylor donating money allowed KESHA’s voice to continued to be heard.
I dunno, I think the dress looks cheap.
Also I’m pleasantly surprised by all the people supporting the cause. Mr Luke musnt have that many friends in the industry ( I refuse to call him Dr until I see some credentials)
Dr Luke isn’t a doctor he’s a producer. It’s a nickname like Dr. Dre.
i think she was being facetious
Dr. Luke has made so many people TONS of money, but he is known to be an asshole.
I am really interested in what Katy Perry thinks, as her sound was crafted by him from her first single. I hope she hasn’t experienced anything similar to Kesha.
Is it not illegal to title oneself as a doctor when you are not?
Doctor is a protected title in Australia – you must have the credentials to call yourself that.
And being a specialist is even more so – you have to actually be registered as a specialist medical practitioner with AHPRA in Australia before you can call yourself a specialist.
The U.S. hangs looser about such titles. Medical doctors put M.D. or equivalent letters after their names to identify them and distinguish from those having a Ph.D. (who are also called Doctor). Sometimes the non-medical doctors like me will put Ph.D. after their names to make sure nobody thinks we can do more medicine-wise than apply a bandaid to a boo-boo. But we can use the title Dr. in front of our names (I like it because it’s gender-neutral, although my mother was the only one who actually used it on envelopes… But I use it in my business since it’s a relevant credential and if you’re female, you have to really hammer home the point for some guys). In business correspondence, it’s common to include the field in which the Ph.D. was obtained after the letters (e.g., Ph.D Chemistry or in Chemistry).
Nicknames or professional entertainer type names like Dr. Dre are certainly not illegal in the United States. Nobody is going to consult with Dr. Dre about a surgical procedure… No intent to defraud, not illegal.
I’m on and off with TSwift, she annoys me so much and also, I like her too. On this one, I think I’ll give her a pass. If Taylor was at the wedding of her best friend, and in the wedding, she very likely didn’t have a whole lot of time or interest in being on social media. I know when I was a bridesmaid, I didn’t touch my phone for two days. She could easily have had a minion write a couple of tweets and post them, but made a very generous donation instead. That’s all fine with me.
I am finding Demi increasingly annoying. She constantly tries to make things about her.
But MOST interesting was what Demi tweeted AFTER the donation. All that blather about Capitol Hill and so on.
Demi really looks bad here. Why doesn’t she go to Capitol Hill if she’s so concerned?
Demi is wrong, I’m no Taylor Swift fan, but who made Demi the queen of feminists? Why is she trying to make it a competition? And, most importantly, why does she think that Taylor (or any other feminist) should be impressing her? Whatever Taylor’s motives are, that money will help Kesha in her battle to free herself from Sony and Dr. Luke’s clutches.
I’ve never paid much attention to Demi….but she sounds like an immature mean girl to me. Ironic, since doesn’t she always play that victim card?
LOL @ every single comment prefaced with “I don’t like Taylor but…”
Everyone around here is so terrified that they’ll be accused of being a Swift fan.
LORDY. It’s ok to acknowledge that a celebrity did something nice.
Then again, I kinda get it. I’ve been accused of being a Taylor Swift fan simply because I don’t passionately hate her with the fire of a thousand suns.
^^^This.
I think it’s more to do with people wanting to distance themselves from the hardcore Swifties who will angrily defend every single thing she does to anyone who dares speak ill of their Queen. It’s certainly why I sad it, I don’t actively dislike her, I just wanted to show my defence of her came from reasoned thought, not blind idolisation.
Lol. I think I added the qualifier because I was trying to say that I’m defending her on facts and not as a “stan” but you are right, its unnecesary and it annoyed me when Giuliani came after Beyonce in a clearly racist attack and people pre-empted their support with “I dont like her but….” I gotta stop doing that.
Exactly, especially because you’re a regular commenter here, you know?
You shouldn’t have to qualify your statements.
I’m not even sure that Swifty’s fanbase is allowed on this site anyway lol. I know the mods definitely try to keep out the “you’re just a jellyh8ter” types.
@ Kitten…I actually like Taylor Swift lol…& I think it’s very big that she made a $250000 donation to Kesha’s legal defense fund. It not only shows her support for Kesha but that she believes her & in her.
Yeah it was a nice thing she did.
Also, I’m just getting caught up on everything that went down with Kesha and that creeper Dr. Luke and I’m absolutely horrified for her.
I’m a Taylor Swift fan. And a Blake Lively fan. This site is lonely for me sometimes, lol.
Also, I’ve been following the Kesha legal drama for months and it makes me sick. I’m glad more people are paying attention now. Maybe Sony will react to public pressure.
Alyce I am with you. I’m a Taylor Swift fan, a Blake Lively fan, I love the Middleton family craziness and–GASP!–I’m centrist in my political leanings!
Im definitely NOT a Demi Lovato fan. I was apathetic/uninterested before. Now I’m just grossed out.
It does not matter. Good for her. She has the means to help a colleague out and she did it. As for Demi, I’ve tried to like her for a long time, even after deciding I can’t stand her music, but honestly, she sounds like an a-hole. And probably is one as well.
Well.. Swifty shut my mouth.
Demi is just very insecure, bitter and jealous, and she just proved it once again.
Actions speak louder than words.
Anyone who went through any kind of hardship knows that even a small act of kindness is far more valuable than all the flowery words which make people saying them feel good but don’t help.
Words are usually about the person saying them, actions are about the person receiving them, imo.
Ooh love that last sentence FARHI. incredibly insightful.
Good for Swifty.
God, this girl is such a sociopath. She couldn’t care less about the whole thing until she got called out and now she’s throwing money at Kesha basically to hear people telling her what a nice little princess she is. Once again she’s using a case that is not about her to further her own reputation as America’s favorite goody two shoes. Demi is an idiot and didn’t make her point in the most articulate way but she sees through Taylor’s bullshit. It’s a shame more people don’t.
Hmmm… silently donating $250,000 to someone who is going through a very tough financial situation makes taylor a sociopath? How did you arrive to that conclusion?
“Once again she’s using a case that is not about her to further her own reputation as America’s favorite goody two shoes.”
Uhh but she didn’t make it about herself, Demi is the one who dragged her into it. I’m sure Kesha isn’t upset over receiving this money so maybe we should reserve calling people sociopaths for scumbags who actually deserve it like Dr.Luke, instead of Taylor who actually did something decent for Kesha.
Except that Taylor actually donated before she got called out….. God, you’re ridiculous. Get over your Taylor hate and accept that she did a good thing.
who cares why she gave the money , She helped someone in need that’s what important here
Exactly- like I’m sure the people of flint don’t care about the motive of the people bringing water and attention they just are grateful for the help finally.
I mean I remember after Sandy we weren’t thinking now why are people doing this- what’s in it for them. No New York was like thank you for your donations much needed and appreciated.
Just like I’m sure the homeless aren’t wondering if people give to shelters for the tax right offs or are just happy they do.
Motives aren’t the most important thing when you need help its that the help is given.
Katy Perry get off the celebitchy message board!?
You know, normally I’d be inclined to agree with you. I can’t stand Taylor and think she is very calculated and mastermind-ish. But I think it’s really a stretch here. She literally put her money where her mouth is and stepped up to support another young, female artist who is getting dicked around by the shitty structure of the music industry. I think it’s totally possible Taylor has been working long enough to have encountered a lot of sexist bullshit and had a “there but for the grace of God go I,” moment about Ke$ha’s case.
And sure *maybe* she orchestrated the announcement from Ke$ha’s mom in order to look humble and unassuming, but even if she did, who cares, the fact of the matter is Ke$ha still has $250,000 more in the bank to fight her legal battle whether Taylor got a little good press or not.
I can’t stand what this situation has become. It has become a way for celebrity women to tear down other celebrity women on social media in the name of feminism. Demi is wrong in her perspective on this. Why is she not demanding a take down of the perv who committed the crime? Why is she going after swift about her supposed silence on the issue? She made it all about scoring internet feminist points and not about taking down a crimminal and trying to get rid of the system that has kept him in his position of power over someone who was abused by him. This is not feminism. This BS of the highest order. It’s enfuriating. I don’t care was Swifty did or didn’t do; it’s not going to change the broken court system that is trying to force a women to be controlled by her abuser. Demi is making this about her own petty and hypocritical girl on girl fights and she is wrong. Dr. Luke the Perv is probably laughing his as$ off because everyone is focused on demi on swift and not him.
Yes, yes and yes!
Yes!!!!! How did this interesting conversation about what the injunction actually meant, what her strategy might be, what Kesha’s next steps are.. turn into another woman versus women conversation?
I also didn’t like how on the previous thread people were turning on the judge.
Why don’t people turn their ire on Dr. Luke and the music industry as a whole, boycott their sales. The in-fighting is ridiculous.
@InvaderTak, Great post! I totally agree with you. Demi just delivered a speech somewhere that was beginning to get a lot of press and then Taylor donated the money to Kesha and no one was talking about Demi anymore. She’s immature and handles things stupidly. You’re spot on–if she really cared she would be aiming her vitriol at the man accused of rape, not the woman trying to help Kesha by helping her finance her legal battle.
What’s most ridiculous about this to me is that Kesha and her own mother have been extremely grateful and Demi thinks she factors in somehow to be a critic as she sits on Twitter fighting with people who are calling her out for her comments.
Just another dumb celebrity throwing the word “feminism” around because it’s trendy. She just proved that she is NOT a feminist with her stupid comments.
Yes! Best post here and you explained it beautifully.
Demi is being utterly ridiculous and needs to take a step back from social media. Funny how she’s going to war against Taylor and not against Sony or Dr. Luke.
Not even a Taylor apologist but she deserves credit for her donation ! Demi should just shut up at this point
I like Kesha, always have. I hope she can get her life and career back on track when this is all over. #freekesha 👊
Ok, what Tay Tay did was great. nope, I’m not into her, but Kesha needs the help and publicity. What she is going through is horrible, and any light shined onto her situation is a good thing. I really hope this attention from people in the industry helps Kesha. How sick is it that a woman is legally tied to her (alleged) abuser? It’s bullsh!t.
Hey, Demi, shut up. You ARE making this about you. Holier than thou. Taylor doesn’t have to do it your way. She did it her way in showing support for Kesha.
Why don’t you call out Miley Cyrus and Lady Gaga and their ongoing attachment to Terry Richardson in the face of lots of allegations of abuse of females, and yet they tweet support for Kesha. Talk about hypocritical “feminists.”
So much YES to this.
Completely on board with this.
This. It’s all about being seen as a feminist, not actually doing anything. And I wish it could just be said about celebrities, but it’s in the real world too.
Oh my God, YES Jayna!!!!!!!
And you did see that that perv rapist is having twins w/his assistant? Those poor kids are f**ked.
Yes, and his pervy photos of her, That baby shower was sick.
Not to mention that Gaga did a collaboration with R. Kelly – and not just any song, but a really gross song about ” do what you want with my body” with an accompanying gross video. She is all about image.
Hmmm, I kind of get what Demi’s saying, but I don’t know if people are actually going to care about the nuances when the donation is so generous to begin with. Money helps, but Taylor’s voice would be the more powerful tool. I guess the question is…do you think a certain kind of financial and industrial power obligates you to a higher standard of action or is any choice of action laudable by its nature?
By donating to Kesha’s defense fund she did speak…
Like Tammy White said, she’s helping to fund her legal battle, which is hugely expensive. I think that was a loud and clear statement and is pro-active.
But if the point is to really help Kesha, the money will do far more. Speaking out is nice, but all the words in the world won’t help Kesha actually pay her bills and keep paying her lawyer, who is basically her only recourse out of this mess. Taylor’s money will directly help Kesha far, far more than Demi’s platitudes.
THIS. why do people not get this?
I don’t understand Demi’s comment that she’s “doing something” while Taylor Swift isn’t just because she donated money and didn’t comment on the matter. Certainly Demi is doing something by talking about it but Swift is doing something too by giving Kesha money. We have no idea how high those lawyer/legal fees are or will continue to be for Kesha, especially if she continues to fight it. Receiving $250,000 from Swift is probably helping Kesha more than we know!
Bottom line $250k is A LOT OF MONEY. And the power this will bring speaks volumes.
Exactly.
I can’t believe people are giving her shit for this. “Strange” how some people are so quick to infer ulterior motives whenever they see a good deed (pretty sure there’s a word for that)…
I think sometimes people have a hard time accepting it when someone they don’t consider a “saint” does something good.
The thing is, Swift has always been really generous towards fans with her money and her time. I genuinely think that she enjoys giving back and rewarding her fan base. I mean, who wouldn’t? Wouldn’t you love to be in a position to help people financially?
The positive PR is definitely a bonus, but it’s not the motivating factor for her, I don’t think.
Also, every time I see this new haircut, I wonder what it looks like not blown out. Does she have curly hair still? Did she get it straightened? Does she have to straighten it every day? A short curly fringe is noooooot an easy look to pull off.
I would bet good money she’s had keratin or Brazilian straightening, I have curly hair and there’s just no way I could maintain bangs with my natural texture, even though i have a tighter curl than Taylor.
To me sound like demi is still bitter that taylor “stole” her friend selena…I know I am in the minority on this but I have a soft spot for taylor because whatever she does in her personal life she is legitimately good to her fans and people around her. Maybe the “squad” is immature, but so what? I was that naive at her age….and frankly I think she seems to be learning and maturing, which is more than you can say for a lot of young celebrities
You know she’s 26, right? I get saying stuff like this about her behavior back when she was like 19, but come on. I’m the same age as her, actually I’m exactly a month younger, and I don’t flounce around with a girl squad mean-girling people I feel threatened by anymore.
You likely had the benefits of a normal life with normal relationships, friendships, boyfriends…hardships. This one has live in a bubble of celebrity since around age 16.
I don’t excuse her immaturity but I certainly understand how she might not have evolved. Consider too her main target audience, evolution is not her friend career wise.
Who knows that she won’t eventually lend her voice to the issue? She was in a wedding, for crying out loud, was she supposed to drop out of her best friend’s wedding to tweet about Kesha? That would have been overkill imo. She made an extremely generous donation that was obviously greatly appreciated, and to have that turned into some kind of bad thing is just taking Taylor-hate to new levels. I like her music and she seems like a nice person imo *shrug* I’m not a die-hard fangirl, but I certainly don’t understand the haterade on her either.
Demi is an assh*le for this one. No one has ANY right to tell another person that they aren’t doing enough when they’re trying to help. Both Kesha and her mother have been publicly extremely grateful and happy that Taylor helped them financially. Demi is no one to tell Taylor that she isn’t doing enough because she isn’t standing before Capitol Hill. This is a case of Demi making this situation about her–she just got minimal press for giving a speech on women’s empowerment and I guess she’s mad that Taylor’s donation overshadowed that. This is Demi’s effort to get people to pay attention to her because she’s bitter that no one cares that she has appeared before Capitol Hill on various occasions. Her behavior is gross, the antithesis of feminism–she is blatantly tearing another woman down because she’s jealous and the person she should be tearing down is Dr. Luke, the accused rapist.
Court cases are insanely expensive. There’s nothing wrong with what Taylor did. As long as Kesha and her family are appreciative and thankful, who the hell does Demi think she is to try to point fingers and say someone isn’t doing enough? She has also come out of this looking dumb for sitting on Twitter and fighting with people while trying to call Taylor out.
Sorry, but I feel like this kind of immature bullshit is why Demi is known more for her antics than whatever talent she might have.
Taylor putting so much money towards Kesha’s campaign of course has huge value/support. I don’t think not joining a Twitter hashtag means her support is any less important or feminist. I don’t see any evidence of that leading to any change as of yet, at least Taylor is doing something tangible.
Cute pic of Taylor and her b.f. on her wedding day – but is it just me or as those bouquets way too freaking huge? They’re like shrubs they’re so big! I guess that’s the style at the moment?
I prefer Taylor’s bob with the wave in it, and with the bangs swept to the side a bit, as it is styled in wedding pic. The super blunt harsh lines of the Anna Wintour bob don’t really flatter her imo.
Thank you Taylor.
Putting ‘her money where her mouth is’ by Taylor is a very loud, and lovely, show of support.
FREEKESHA
how many tweets about kesha were on demi’s timeline before #freekesha blew up? is tweeting in the middle of the night the new protest? If demi’s way of being a feminist is tweeting and taylor’s way of being a feminist is giving money, then so be it. but don’t be mad when people call you out on your bs. get off the internet and do something. in the real world, outside of the internet, money talks. and demi lovato’s words will never mean more than taylor’s money unless she actually does something but tweet.
Demi sounds like a real jerk. Not a fan
Demi’s got a bad habit of inserting herself into a ton of stuff and not knowing when to take the hint. She accused Lady Gaga of “encouraging bulimia” when Gaga did some performance with a “vomit artist,” she had to insert herself into the Zendaya Barbie situation, and now this.
And what does she mean, take it to Capitol Hill? And what? Demand that the Republican-controlled Congress free Kesha? Like, is that going to work? People like Kesha need good vibes and awareness less than they need material support. She is effectively unemployed and being prevented from getting new work. She’s probably burning through her money. Taylor made a serious gift and should just be applauded, full stop. I find Jennifer Lawrence to be a desperate try hard with little real awareness, but I refuse to shade her for giving 2 million to a kids’ hospital. Because that’s a very good thing. Full stop. Demi really needs to eat some crow on this one. The longer she defends her position, the worse she looks.
If Taylor gave the money and tweeted about it, we would have said Taylor is seeking publicity and is not sincere about helping Kesha but it is a PR move to make her look amazing.
That’s why when you help someone especially by giving money you be graceful about it. Taylor did it the right way IMO. She helped her, kept the focus on the victim and didn’t brag about it.
Exactly this. She handled this like a true lady, and I’m pro-Swift on this one. Even I listen to Style sometimes 😉
Yeah. And I am not someone who cares one way or another about any of these people, really.
It’s kind of tacky and a little inappropriate how Demi and other people have sort of turned Kesha’s case against Dr. Luke into a sort of “True Feminist” test. But I agree 100% with the rest of her comment about rape culture and women not being beleived, and it’s great that Kesha is getting support from so many people. Taylor gets no shade from me for this.
I hate when people criticize donations in any shape or form. Truth of the matter remains, even if it wasn’t heartfelt, she’s doing a lot more for the cause than you are. The money will benefit Kesha. Your tweets and cyber rants won’t.
And seriously Demi, don’t act like you’re a struggling artist. You may not be as rich as Taylor but you’re definitely loaded.
This is what social media convention dictates after a while; you have to tweet a hashtag, give likes, put forth a status update or change your display pic to show that you give a damn i.e. if it’s not on facebook, did it happen? Yes it is good to tweet your support but it is also good (some may say even better) to donate to the cause. Both are good things, why can’t Demi at least see that? She should make this about Kesha, not about her and not about how to ‘display’ feminism her way.
She is really insulting when she claims she is not too rich to donate. What does that make us plebeians? Hey Demi, #somepeopleonlyhaveoneshoe.
So she donates $250K to another rich, white woman but only gave $50K to New York City public school kids. OK.
Yes. The ONLY reason she donated is because Kesha is rich and white./s
I think speaking out about rape and/or donating money to an anti sexual assault organization is more effective than donating money to a millionaire.According to Gossip Cop, Kesha reps claim she has “plenty of money” .To me it’s comparable to Bill Gates giving $50 million to Kanye ,rather than funding the design programs in hundreds of schools,to increase racial diversity in the fashion industry.
But it’s Taylor’s money she can donate to whomever she wants.
I’m annoyed that everyone assumes Dr. Luke is guilty. His career is ruined. How do we know that Kesha – a strung out addict who hasn’t had a hit in years – is telling the truth?
Kelly Clarkson:
https://twitter.com/kelly_clarkson/status/700804809499271168
She is not known as a bad or dishonest or histrionic person, as far as I am aware. And she has worked with Dr Luke.
There was a rather chilling tweet about the music industry making Hollywood look like a charitable organisation, too.
The idea this woman would be prepared to have her whole life destroyed, and her career, on a lie of such magnitude seems fairly improbable. Not impossible, no, but the reaction from other women in the industry does make the story about him sound as if they are willing to believe it, doesn’t it? And that is perhaps worth noting.
It’s fishy, yes. But I also don’t believe this man should be destroyed when there isn’t anything besides rumor and hearsay. Where is the biological evidence? Where is the forensics?
He’ll never work again, because she’s a junkie with an axe to grind and a bunch of “you go girl” hashtag pseudo-feminism.
I would be interested in knowing how many of Kesha’s other supporters have personally worked with Dr Luke. Does anyone know?
I tried to see if Taylor had worked with him as well, and she has at least once, back in 2012.
Dr. Luke is that you……
I guess according to you Bill Cosby, Uncle Terry, Woody Allen are all victims too right? Some ones pasted drug use doesn’t mean they can’t be victims of Rape. Kesha still must be worth something that Sony want let her out of her contract so it would seems she not “washed up”.
Reading you comments just makes me sad for humanity.
I’m not Dr. Luke, I’m just a normal person following the case. I’m concerned about justice though.
In the case of Terry Richardson and Cosby, the evidence points overwhelmingly to their guilt. I’m not joining the Dr. Luke witch-hunt, though.
How can my comments make you sad for humanity? You make me sad for humanity in your rush to condemn someone in a case of “he said, she said.” Show me REAL evidence Dr. Luke did this (and a tweet by Kelly Clarkson proves he might be sketchy but not necessarily a rapist), and I will give Kesha money myself. Don’t worry, I’ll wait …
I can’t NOT see the kid from The Suite Life now every time I see TS now. Lmao. So accurate.
I’m impressed with Swifty, which is usually not the case. This is good. I have to say I cannot wrap my head around the decision by the court. I realize that they believe so long as Keesha does not have to work with Luke directly, she should continue recording for Sony. Yet how does a female judge miss the most obvious issue? Here is a company which is very publicly defending a man alleged to have raped and abused one of their singers. They are publicly calling her a liar. Regardless of what producer she is assigned to work with, she will will be forced to work for an organization that has publicly shamed and ridiculed her. They have failed to protect her and continue to protect him. That is a hostile work environment. I am curious why no mental health professional was asked to testify to the stress Kessha would be under in such an environment.
Did I miss something? Is Kesha broke and struggling to pay her lawyers? I haven’t heard anything about that despite following this situation fairly closely. If not then it’s a rather odd way to show support, throwing money at the problem while avoiding having to actually address it.
Dr. Luke has been withholding her royalties so yeah, she’s most likely in a very bad financial situation right now. But I guess we should judge the way other people show support for fear of being called “odd” and strange”.
She should of definitely tweeted about the problem since that would help Kesha pay her bills right?
some people may not like her because of her success but she is one generous lady
Demi doesn’t seem to realize that not everything happens on Twitter. Not everybody feels compelled to tweet about their personal lives 24/7. And shockingly enough, some people actually like to think things through before making grand public announcements and even give other people money and privately express support without making it a PR moment.
Wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of conference calls and private e-mails are going on among people in the industry, brainstorming on the best way to help in this situation. Donating to a legal fund sounds like a good start, since Sony has far more resources than Kesha, especially if her income has dwindled to nothing during this legal battle. Lawyers for such things are very expensive. She might be able to live on her savings for quite a while, but the lawyers could be easily draining her rapidly. She needs to conserve her cash since she may be prevented from seriously working for quite a while. My bet is that Dr. Luke is planning lawsuits if he hasn’t started them already.
I think Taylor did good here. And, I hope she continues to throw her weight (financially and otherwise) into issues like this. Let’s not forget, TS single-handedly took down APPLE and got them to change their policy on how they pay artists for streamed music. Imagine what TS could accomplish if she wrote an open letter to Sony….
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