Considering The Night Manager is a six-part miniseries, I was kind of wondering if I should do next-day recaps. It feels unfair though, because British viewers have already seen it months ago and there will be concerns about spoilers, etc. Still, I wanted to say something about it, and you guys should feel free to use this as a TNM Open Post. TNM debuted on AMC last night and it was rather fantastic. I get why Brits were so obsessed with it – it looks great, it’s a glossy yet reality-based espionage story, the leads are charismatic, and there are lingering close-ups on Tom Hiddleston’s eyes, face and body. Of course I’m already rolling my eyes at some stuff – Pine is still hung up on a woman he slept with once five years ago? And politically, Western countries had every right to be concerned that the Arab Spring was empowering another, different brand of fanatic, right? But otherwise, it’s a good show so far.
Meanwhile, Tom is still talking. He seems very pleased by the great press around TNM and his good notices in particular. He told EW: “I think the most well-known things I’ve done have been actually at the extremes of my range and I don’t look like myself, to be honest. I look like somebody else. As Pine, I look like me in a way. So that, strangely for an actor, that felt new.” He does look like himself in TNM, and he’s quite lovely to look at. What else… USA Today asked him about James Bond again, and again he shrugged off the question. He also chatted with Rolling Stone – some highlights:
Doing his DeNiro impression in front of DeNiro: “I remember thinking, ‘Why the hell am I doing this, I hope he doesn’t hit me.’ Especially since my Pacino was a lot better.”
Watching autopsies: “To be fair, I only watched one autopsy being performed. My character is a pathologist, so I needed to make sure I was getting it right. And you can tell a lot about a person by how they remove someone’s brains.”
The disconnect: “There’s a disconnect between who I am and who people expect me to be because of my background. And I feel compelled to be rebellious and go against that.”
Playing slightly creepy-sexy characters: “People want to put their best face forward and when you peel that face back, you see a lot of turbulence. It’s not like I think society is one disaster away from orgies and eating household pets. But that’s the most interesting thing to me: what’s going on outside versus inside.”
He loves the Fast & Furious movies: “In fact, I was just telling someone how much I love Furious 7 and they said, ‘Are you kidding me?'” Hiddleston suddenly puffs himself up and adopts a gruff, Rock-like cadence. ”Dwayne Johnson flexes his arm, breaks open his cast and then says, ‘Daddy has to go to work’ – if you don’t love that, I don’t know how I can appreciate you as a human being.”
I sort of need the receipts on Hiddleston mimicking The Rock. Mostly because I want to see and hear him refer to himself as “Daddy.” While I think Hiddleston is sort of tightly-wound and hyper-managed these days, it would be interesting to see him mix it up with a Fast & Furious film or something. Something light. He wouldn’t do it though.
Photos courtesy of Fame/Flynet.
One day, in 2050 or even 2051 when I am old and grey, I will read a CB article in which LEGS says that he did not like something. And the fabric of society will rend asunder.
I know right? He couldn’t even properly pillory Donald Trump in a recent Nerdist interview.
http://nerdist.com/tom-hiddleston-hugh-laurie-night-manager-bad-guys-game-video-elizabeth-debicki-olivia-colman/
(I have no cake, Sixer; this is for the rest of the readers.)
One day he will forget to listen to the question before launching into Wax Lyrical Mode, and they’ll have asked him what he thinks about Pol Pot’s Year Zero, or somesuch!
Wot? No cake? Gah. Not clicking. I have goats milk fudge. Am prepared to share.
To be fair, Hiddles described Trump as “idiocy” in another interview (Sight and Sound). As for UKIP and Nigel Farage, he used the pharase, “terrifying spectre”. I think in the nerdist interview he, Coleman, and even Laurie hesitated to criticize Trump as they were promoting the show to American audience. Actually I was surprised when Laurie didn’t mock Trump.
He pretty much said Trump was bad and that put forth a theory that has been out there from the start – that Trump never intended to win anything. Now, Laurie’s take on it is quite the diplomatic say nothing politician. After he finishes asking if Trump is a basketball player.
I have cake, Sixer, but that link is just Olivia, Elizabeth, Tom, and Hugh answering whether various characters/people are bad or misunderstood. Olivia basically wants to give the world a hug.
Give me cake! Sickly saccharine LEGS is the least of my worries today. I have Normal Bill on my tellybox, Lizzie’s 90th coming up, Brexit, some work I’ve just realised I’ve cocked up, and and and. I need cake!
One large lemon drizzle headed out to Sixer. And a chocolate raspberry mousse cake too if you want chocolate.
@Gingerly, Olivia was hesitant because the word she wanted to use, while popular as a curse word in England, is considered one of the absolute worst in the states and is just not done. Think “mewling quim.”
Send me cake please. And high fives to Sixer!
To be fair, plenty of Fox News viewers would be watching TNM, so it’s probably best not to take a pot shot at the republican candidates even if they totally deserve it.
Hugh’s diplomacy was surprising. I expected him to go for maximum snark.
I’ve noticed that pretty much all of the mainstream articles on the TNM premier are mentioning Olivia’s standout performance, which is thrilling since she’s less familiar to Yanks than Hugh or Tom. The LA Times was particularly enthusiastic about her scene-stealing performance.
Perhaps Broadchurch will get an uptick in views on Netflix after they see her work in TNM.
What’s the word, what’s the word?
Cake. Yum. Ta.
Goat’s milk fudge?? Is it tart-er than cow’s?
It’s pretty much the same, to be honest. I get a little packet for free because I buy goat meat from the farmers market. There’s an organic farm near here that produces goats milk cheese and fudge and sells to the upmarket London food halls for a huge premium price. But little market for the meat at those places. They sell at farmers markets to avoid culling all the boy kids. I’m doing my goat duty!
I use goat milk in my coffee every morning.
@ Sixer – he did once say he wasn’t keen on rhubarb. 🙂
I know what you mean but if I were Tom I would be very wary about criticising politicians, particularly in another country.
And just for you in case you haven’t seen it yet:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00s90hz/episodes/guide
No doubt to celebrate the 400th anniversary of Will’s death which falls next Monday.
If he doesn’t like rhubarb he’s even worse than I thought!
I’ll never have time to watch them all again but I might try and fit in Richard II, just for the colour palette. I really loved that.
Condemned for an ambivalent attitude to rhubarb – oh the shame!
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@gingerly: Only Laurie did mock Trump, with the burn that matters: He pretended not to know who he was.
Our never-ending press tour of multiple movies/tv shows slogs on this morning with a visit to the Today show to promote High-Rise and High-Rise at Tribeca tonight. I might have to blast Sienna Miller with a fire hose if she drapes herself all over my husband again.
And yes, I think he would do a Fast & Furious for the fun of it.
I think he would do it too! He did a straight to video version of “Captain Hook” for the fun of it. Not to mention that cameo in the Muppets.
In a recent interview (will never be able to remember which) he talked about how all the scripts he got were for dark, brooding and complicated guys and he had to remind hi agents that he wanted a comedy.
I don’t think he would do Fast and furious and this point in his career but I think he’ll do a comedy sooner rather than later.
I don’t mind him doing funny stuff, but if I have choice I want to see him play Benedict of Much a Do about Nothing.
Benedick is the role I want to see him in. With Jessica Chastain as Beatrice.
I want Anderea Riseborough for Beatrice.
Haley Atwell as Beatrice please!
Too funny and too true. I wish she would learn how to dress herself.
I think she’s going for a state of constant almost undressed.
I think you’re right about the Fast and Furious franchise. I don’t think he’d commit to more than one movie, but I think he’d cheerfully sign on if there were a part that interested him. I mean, he’s going to be in a Big Silly Monster Movie about King Kong. I don’t think he considers himself above being in a Big Silly Car Movie.
And a big silly pay check wouldn’t be for sneezing at. 🙂
wrong place
I watched last night, and was totally engaged. And I didn’t find it surprising about his fixation on the first woman- didn’t see it as mourning some great love; rather guilt over the fact she had trusted him and he had failed to ensure her safety. The cast is great- can’t wait till next Tues!
Glad you got that Tig, it seems a few didn’t.
Not only could he not ensure her safety, his government which OWED her (which had put her in danger) wasn’t coming through. And he knows it’s his fault.
Strange. In my “We Recommend” section in this thread there was a link to: “The 15 Greatest Films of All Time According to 358 Directors” Spoiler alert: Furious 7 didn’t make it.
I believe Helen Mirren wants to do a F&F also. Tom and Helen in F&F? I’d go to that.
That would be hilarious.
Helen Mirren has the R.E.D. series where she is AWESOME!
I don’t really think it was love that made him become a spy and try to take roper down, I think it was guilt. He put her in harm’s way and failed to save her, and after he exiles himself to Switzerland Roper appears in his life again and I feel like he took it as a sign that he can do something about it.
I will say this for the show, even when there were things I didn’t like or plot points I didn’t believe I still couldn’t look away or stop watching. I think it’s the combination of a great cast and a wonderful director. Seriously, hats off to Susanne.
Did he really put her in harm’s way ? She opened negotiations, didn’t she ? By telling him about the papers she wanted him to look after, knowing that he’d take a look.
She put herself in harm’s way but he promised to protect her and betrayed her. So, guilt.
Sopihe asked Jonathan to send the paper AFTER and IF something happened to her. She guessed he came to knew its content, and possibly he could show the document to Simon. But Pine decided to send it rightaway because he was a former soldier and knew what one could do with those weapons. He is undoubtedly responsible for her death.
The guy who ordered her death is responsible, Pine just feels so.
@ spidey, You’re right. He felt guilty for not being able to keep his promise.
Agreed he feels guilty for not being able to keep his promise. I think there’s also some level on which Sophie tapped into guilt he already felt, about being the sort of person who’s run away from conflict in the past and who spent years taking on a role where staying out of things was part of his job.
Angela Burr: “What happened in Cairo shames me to the bottom of my soul…”
“What are you prepared to do about it.”
Considering, at that point, what he had already done on his own initiative–she knew she had him.
What happened to Sophi wouldn’t have happened if he hadn’t turned over the papers when he did. And he knows that.
I think the Furious franchise is not terrible, they’re fun movies with lots of actions and hot people and some sort of storyline… I mean, it’s not oscar worthy, but it’s no Sharknado. Lots of money is put in there and they hire good actors for those roles, so I don’t mind them at all.
I’d like to see Tom in one of those movies, in a bad guy type of role.
I won’t watch them anymore. I think they are genuinely dangerous as they encourage stupidity behind the wheel with, a focus on an age group that are already pretty stupid behind the wheel. I like a bit of sex and violence in my films and maybe because i am British I can’t imagine young people will go out, buy illegal guns and start murdering people just because they see it in a film. BUT, I know lots of young people, with very little driving experience, who will put on some music and speed around the streets because it makes them feel cool, something which is encouraged by these driving films.
Yeah I completely agree with you, but I guess this falls on the same grey area like “will serial killers watch Law & Order and steal their ideas to commit crimes”? I do wonder. Please feel free to replace L&O with any other police procedural/serial killer series – criminal minds, dexter, hannibal (gasp)…
it terrifies me TBCH…
I don’t know… I mean, young people are stupid and yes, they will try to mimic that. or any other driving show. or F1. it’s endless.
TV is bad.
+10000
@Mimz
Regarding L&O or most police procedural shows, they’re not glorifying crime and violence the way FF7 is glorifying (cock) racing. Hannibal and Dexter do fit your argument better but are also delivering at least on originality and good writing (mostly referring to Dexter – I don’t do Hanni) and not just a **k stroking fest.
Yes @cranberry but not all movies will be well written or award worthy. I stopped watching after F&F 5 because I got lazy to watch the same movie with a slightly different story, but it’s still highly watchable. It is glorified violence but so are many more – no matter how well written and executed – movies out there. I mean, Sharknado, people, we live in a world with sharknado bringing in millions.
Although I agree that F&F franchise probably influences kids to do stupid stuff on the road, that could be the case for an infinity of other tv shows or action movies. Or horror, or serial killer. I think these people on crime shows give too many ideas for people who want to kill someone.
I wish we had better tv and movies, overall… but we don’t.
It’s a sad world we live in.
I watched this last night- I stumbled upon it and couldn’t take my eyes off of it. I’m really excited for this.
I can’t sit through a F&F movie. I did get suckered into going to the Aaron Paul car movie with the Mr. – but that was for Aaron Paul. And I was so freaked out about how dangerous all the stuff they did was that the whole drive home I was so tensed up.
I have never got the fuss over his looks but he truly is a great actor with a lot of screen presence. It kind of astounds me that out of all the Thor actors Hemsworth is the one offered blockbusters, but then again Tom seems to focus on quality.
I don’t think Hemsworth would be offered blockbusters for long. I cant remember the last time he was in a successful movie, either critically acclaimed or a financial success. Even that Huntsmen sequel seems to be going down the same path.
I don’t think he’s a bad actor at all, and he is quite charismatic and good looking, so I don’t get why he’s been in so many bad films.
Hemsworth’s film choices make sense, on paper. In Rush he got to work with Ron Howard, and the film got decent reviews, as did he, it just didn’t do well at the box office. He worked with Howard again on In The Heart of The Sea, which on paper seemed like a good choice-big, epic, based on real life, etc. Except it was boring. Blackhat, he got to work with Michael Mann. Cabin in the Woods, shot before Thor, got good buzz and reviews, and did alright at the box office.
The current Huntsman movie isn’t going to help.
I think he’s got screen charisma and has some acting talent, but right now he’s probably glad he’s still got the Marvel franchise, which gives him some financial breathing room to figure out where he wants to go in his career. And that might not be as a leading man.
I think Chris seems to be a very nice guy but I’m sorry to say I don’t rate him that highly as an actor.
CHemboy is a TERRIBLE actor. He has no range. I hope he’s investing his multi-million dollar paychecks, because I don’t think he’ll be getting them for much longer.
@NUTBALLS: He’s got enough charisma that I think the lack of serious acting talent gets overlooked. I have a friend, who’s only seen him in Thor and Cabin, who thinks Chemboy has acting talent. I have another friend, who is free lance movie reviewer for her local paper who thinks he just doesn’t have enough range or depth to be a lead, especially in a drama.
Chris is beautiful, but I don’t rate him as an actor and I don’t find him interesting to watch. The exceptions are Thor and Rush, in which i think he is very good, despite the dreadful English accent.
I think most actors want both blockbuster success and critical acclaim, and I don’t think either of these two are the exceptions. Hemsworth and Hiddleston are different types, so they have different strategies. Hemsworth started with blockbusters because that’s what he was likely offered, and probably figured he could do more serious work once he’d make his mark. Hiddleston started by doing smaller films and stage work because that what he was likely offered, figuring that if he turned in impressive performances, he might be considered for leading roles.
I can see them offering Hiddleston Bond, but the thought doesn’t excite me in the way it did when they announced Daniel Craig. I have some doubts about Idris, because of his age and lack of agility, but I would rather have him then Hiddleston.
They sold the show to China and France, too. TNM is certainly TH’s most popular and most successful work excluding Marvel ones.
I am not sure whether American audience will love it or not – it is quite slow burning and some subtle British class/regional characteristics migh be lost to the US population – but fingers crossed. It seems that many US reviewers already warched all episodes and thus have advantage in assessing the show when compared to British jornalists.
@ Gingerly- I agree some of the British subtleties may be lost on us clueless Americans (and I am not being sarcastic). I am having some trouble with TNM re. previously mentioned plot holes/character arcs:
Why is Pine so “in love” with Sophie after knowing her for 5 minutes? Does he have deep-seated female/mommy issues = overdeveloped sense of responsibility for women that we find out about later? She was the one who showed him the documents and told him to do what he needed to do with them. Surely she would’ve known what could happen, so why did she blame him? And as a former operative, he didn’t know about Hamid’s reach and that she would not find protection in England because of that?
Why would he sleep with the mistress of one of Egypt’s most notorious arms dealers? Because she asked? As a former soldier of some merit, it didn’t occur to him that might be a bad idea? It wasn’t like he didn’t have other options.
I know I am going to get sh*t for this, but the direction is practically lascivious when it comes to Pine. If the camera were a tongue, she’d be licking him. I like Bier very much as a director and get that Pine is supposed to be the epitome of male virility. I’m all for nudity/sexuality if it’s done in the context of storytelling. That said, I think the cinematic voyeurism/objectification of the character (and possibly the actor) detracts from TH’s very layered, powerful and understated performance.
Feminism this is not. It’s salivation.
“If the camera were a tongue, she’d be licking him.”
Spot on and well said, MI6. I agree with everything you said in that last paragraph.
That being said, the objectification will “sell” here in the States.
MI6 Sophie asked him to copy the documents and keep the copies in the hotel safe. But (and this is my thought) she insisted that he copied them, knowing that he was read them and guessing he would make sure they were passed on. So he took them to his mate at the British Embassy, not knowing that some of the high ups back in the UK were in league with Roper and the Hamids. So when his mate passed them to London, then London told the Hamids. So of course when she was killed Pine blamed himself for passing on the documents.
Sophie was pretty sure what was going to happen to her, but Pine didn’t at the time.
ps, the scene where you saw Tom’s bum it wasn’t actually necessary, and just showing the bum made it seem tacky to me.
@ Spidey – thanks for the clarification. I guess I should just nut up and read the book (pun not intended). I would still like more of Pine’s personal backstory and why he got so attached to Sophie so quickly. I wasn’t invested in her as a character and then she was gone. And yes, I expect the salaciousness is going to increase, which is kind of a bummer, actually. Given all the hype, I hoped for better from Bier and for TH.
On that note,
@Nutballs: That’s just sad and probably true, although I haven’t seen ratings analysis from last night’s episode and I am wildly curious.
He wasn’t an operative, he was a soldier. Not at all the same thing. Sophie asked him to make the copies so he would definitely know what they were once in the envelope, but I think she was rolling the dice as to whether he would follow her instructions or preemptively pass them along.
There are implications he may have PTSD or at least issues from when he was a soldier, and they are living in an environment of extreme events. Everything is intensified in a combat environment: feelings, emotions, reactions. I didn’t find any of that surprising, though I am hesitant to say he actually fell in love with her. But he definitely felt very strongly, and then he just had to swallow all of that emotion and guilt. He couldn’t make a fuss, or he risked getting accused.
On another note, the Hamids weren’t informed, it was Roper who got the leaked info.
And when you do read the book you will find the objectification in general to be worse, and female characters such as Sophie to have far less agency. But hey, it was a best-seller!
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You did hear the sarcasm, right?
I agree 100%.
Ignore my comment above… wrong place.
Bier used extreme close ups very often in this series. You will see extreme closeups of most major characters. Usually eyes and lips. I don’t remember it’s Bier or Producer Stephen Garret, or Tom, but one of them surely said Bier deliberately choose to use closeups as a means to show what’s happening inside the characters who consistently try to hide their true feelings or intent. Yet, you will remember Tom’s yes and lips much more vividly because Pine is a character who does not say much and hides himself most of the time, thus more closeups, and also because Hiddles has really beautiful, expressive eyes.
I can see that why Jed’s body is frequently displayed. It is her disguise, or persona. Her body is what people want to see in a spy thriller, but as Dara said in another thread, Jed consiously chooose her Bond Girl persona to survive. So, I think Bier wants audience to be deceived by Jed’s strategy like other characters did in the series, and then the director quickly shows Jed is not such a woman.
Pine is a character whose inside cannot be explained with words. In order to show his struggle, Bier needs to show what he does when he is alone – in bed, in shower, running, etc. But I wouldn’t deny entertainment value of those beautiful bodies. Ha ha. Anyway, I think a few shots are eye candy, but many shots can be justified.
@Gingerly, without giving anything away, Pine’s eyes are a plot device and play a critical role in the climax. That will become clearer as the series progresses.
My co-worker was as excited about FF 7 as I was looking forward to Star Wars 7. We joked that of course the seventh edition of a movie franchise is the best!
TH is sexier in this than in anything else I have seen him in. Swooning.
I agree. Pine is his sexy best… it’s right up there with Laing and Hal in my trifecta of Hiddles incarnations.
Nutty (can I call you Nutty because you are my favorite person on here) I did like Pine but I am obsessed with his Hal and Henry V… Huge Ginger Tom Fan…… As for TNM: so confused about the fact that as a Hiddleston fan I did not really like his performance or the show much while as people I never expected to like it looooooved the show…. Confusing. But hey happy for LEGS…. So who cares.
Hey Guest, you do realise you have now offended everyone else on this thread don’t you? 🙂
I’ve put a link up thread – BBC4 are showing all 4 The Hollow Crown episodes next week. The thing with TNM Pine is supposed to be opaque, so you don’t know what he is thinking which perhaps isn’t what you were expecting. On the other hand, I went to see High Rise and didn’t like it. It’s all about personal taste.
Oh my God spidey I am so sorry…. I didn’t want to offend anyone 🙁 seriously. It’s just that I tend to agree with Nutballs most of the time. And Sixer too… But I get what you mean with different tastes. My friend did not like Hollow Crown while as I simply loved it… Ginger Tom rocks….
Tee hee, I was only joking. Don’t worry.
Guest, I didn’t like it as much as I had hoped to, but I did set the bar high. To me, Tom’s performance wasn’t as nuanced as it could have been, the dialogue was cheesy at times and while the landscapes were gorgeous, Bier sensationalized it too much with the objectification of Pine and Jed.
But, I get why people loved it; it was entertaining and it’ll do well here as it has in Britland and other parts of the world. It was a great project for Tom to be in and I expect things will move forward in his career as a result of this. Good on him.
I’m hoping for more from High Rise next week, if I can stomach the disturbing scenes and watch it all the way through.
ETA: Spidey’s hard to offend… Sixer and I have tried but bugger all, she just doesn’t take the bait.
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Did my customary sarcasm not come through?
Your snarcasm offends Nutty. Now you’ve made spidey cry! 😥
Spidey made me cry!!
And then I ate 6 Tunnocks tea cakes. I didn’t feel better.
I’m counting 2 new fat rolls as I sit here.
*grabs the wine bottle*
Yes I’m sobbing into my porridge here. 😆
See my comment to Guest down thread this morning.
I was tuning in and out last night mostly because 1. I am sick and 2. the show came on past my bed time. But I already can’t stand the blonde chick. Takes a bath with the door open. Ugh. I already feel she is a generic arm/eye candy piece. Hopefully, AMC has it online so I can watch it later on.
They had very little to work with. Jed is basically a cardboard cutout in the book, but they’ve certainly fleshed her out a bit and gave her a back story. And Elizabeth is gorgeous in this. I have serious wardrobe envy.
That bugged me too on first viewing, but after seeing more of Jed in later episodes it actually fits her character. It’s almost a contradiction, but it feels like the more skin Jed shows, the less of her you actually see. She uses nakedness like a disguise or distraction so everyone avoids looking too far into her soul.
@ Dara: NICE observation! Thank you. That helps 😉
Thanks! I can’t take full credit for it – Jed herself has a great line a few episodes in (it’s so good I won’t spoil it) that started me thinking about the topic. There was also an interview with the costume designer that said she always put Jed in clothes where the character was never more than a single button or zipper away from being nude. This one I think – http://www.vanityfair.com/style/2016/04/night-manager-elizabeth-debicki-costumes
” She uses nakedness like a disguise or distraction so everyone avoids looking too far into her soul. ”
@Dara you’re a damn poet girl. Put on a beret and get to the closest open mic.
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M.A.F. – The first episode is up on AMC’s site right now. I’m so glad that it is. I cut my cable entirely a few months ago after losing my job, but this is a show that I would have really missed.
Oh good. I know for the Walking Dead they would put it up the day after, I wasn’t sure about a mini-series. The nice part too is that they keep the shows up on the site for a month or so.
I wanted to double check too, but I’m glad they’re doing the same, both for my sake and for their own. There are always lots of people interested in new shows and miniseries who forget the time of the first airing – my parents want to watch this one too, but forgot the premiere was last night and will be streaming the first episode as well.
TNM is certainly a bit of a slow burn to start with, but those last two episodes had me on the edge of my seat.
I liked ep. 5. I loved when Pine’s quiet but sizzling anger is contrasted Roper’s horrible cynicism, and Burr’s talking about sports day is very moving. And those fireworks. Money well spent.
And, I found out that TNM got 94% RT and 81 MC. Impressive.
The last episode is good too.
Hey, some of us here have only seen the first episode! Can we go easy on the spoilers? Please and thank you! 🙂
You’ll just have to close your eyes while reading the thread. 😆
Oh, I am sorry. I’ll pay more attention to the apoiler alert next time.
Um… I thought I was going to love it, but I didn’t. I thought it was corny and odd. But I like him, and I’ll watch a few more episodes.
I liked TMM. I like that he completely throws himself into it. And I’m not a huge Tom fan. I find him Fugly… but a great personality and character actor.
Best quote of the show: “An angel told me with a halo…” I nearly spit into my coke when I watched the episode.
http://www.vulture.com/2016/04/tom-hiddleston-is-more-than-the-internets-boyfriend.html?mid=googlenews
So pretty much his usual interview – some talk about the work, some being nice to everyone, some dodges about his personal life (I found this one annoyingly coy, as no one who’s entirely single talks like that), some babbling about his philosophy of work followed by apologies or self-deprecation.
He knows it’s good publicity to be coy about that, He works it on purpose.
You’re right, twilly. Keeping the speculation alive is another avenue of publicity and if true, his dodgy response keeps him from outright lying about it. PR wise, it’s a win, regardless of what their sexual status has been.
Note that his answer has changed since her visit to Hawaii was confirmed via JVR’s IG collage.
@nutty
I don’t get the publicity part…. I understood the publicity part during promoting the movie or before the movie came out but now? I could understand it if the woman in charge would be Jlaw but Olsen? For publicity? Still? Don’t get it. Please Nutty if I ever comment on Theo ever again just smack me… Because I am so over these two…. It annoys me 😂
@ nutballs. I still have suspicions about the Hawaii video. (call me daft) I would equally believe EO was there or that JVR was playing games (seems like a lot of that went on whilst filming the monkey movie) I could never make my mind up whether the collage was genuine or she had been “inserted” as her proportions seem wrong compared with the others. And if it was genuine why take it down once it was out there? We will never know.
spidey, I’d hazard a guess and say he took the picture down because multiple people were commenting rudely on it, almost harassing him (and they continued to be rude on later pictures he posted) and maybe because Tom asked him to. I know it’s going against others here, but I really don’t think they’ve been pulling this for publicity, at least not in the last few months. I would concede that last summer they may have been advised or persuaded that a little bit of gossip might help the film. Or maybe they were planning to introduce their relationship gradually. But I think between then and now, they’ve changed their minds and have begun to “close up shop”. That could be because they’re not actually together, or it could be because they realised they don’t want it out there yet. Or they didn’t realise quite how “lively” the reactions would be. Clearly that can’t work completely as it was already half-out last summer, but it seems that they’ve been able to divert for the most part.
And if they are together but have done an about turn on the public aspect, I’m not particularly bothered. I reckon they realise it wasn’t the best approach for them, and they know they’ll have to deal with it if they really are together and go long-term later. The only reason it seems hyper-publicised to us is because we’re on websites which put a microscope on it. A lot of his fans have no idea about her being in Hawaii, or Twitter sightings. All they heard was that they might be dating last summer. There’s no saga of sightings, speculation and the like for them. Some Tumblr bloggers have got it into their heads that Elizabeth is deliberately flaming pregnancy rumours because she wore two vaguely baggy dresses, but that has no basis in publicity. It’s fans who’ve heard the word “PR” and applied it to everything even remotely related to the topic. And because if anything is certain, it’s that some fans will demonise a woman for stepping anywhere near “their man” lol.
TL;Dr *if* they are together the whole situation seems (to me!) like “we were going to go public for whatever reason, but have now changed our minds and would rather keep it quiet. Which means some awkward hand waving and attempts to keep schtum.” rather than “we’re playing coy and deliberately fanning the flames still.”
I am confused about the private life stuff. I totally get why famous people want to protect their privacy but this “there is no ring on this finger” just screams more “dude, you could write anything you want to but actually I don’t give a crap” …. Which is also fine. But this reminds me of the saga which included the speech of “nothing writing home about” and then following an epic return of Jarthy. Girls, buckle up…. Olsen is behind the corner. 🙂 how on earth are actors being able to date or whatever is beyond my imagination. This guy is never at home. Or barely. Always on the road. How does it work if there was or is something going on in his love life?!
@spidey
Don’t take my comment too seriously please. I know you love LEGS as much as I do but after reading this (thanks for sharing btw) I just want to smack his head. Lightly. Sorry. I promise after smacking him you can smack me too…. Please.
Guest you do not have to apologise to me. We are all entitled to our opinions. And I was really only joking upthread when you said nutty was your favourite. So stopping worrying. 🙂
Regarding this interview, I get the impression that Tom is sick of being asked the same questions about someone he was seen out with a couple of times months ago. Given that, and how the previous person he was seen with had to come off twitter because of some fans’ reaction, I am totally happy with him playing coy. He got screamed at for “nothing to write home about” now he is getting flack for saying “there is no ring on this finger.” To me that means that if there is someone he would want to keep it quiet until he knew it was going somewhere. Basically he is saying “mind your own business” Or at least that is the way I see it.
I get more annoyed with him for going all serious about “the work” when he is being interviewed. I want to shout “keep it short and lighten up, Tom”
But Spidey the thing is this. I am sure people would stop bothering him with those stupid questions regarding his love life if he just replied in a straight way. He got the backslash back then because he says stuff but acts differently. And this is just the case when women are involved. That is the reason why I say that I totally understand people who are trying to protect their privacy but why hiding? If it is because of some crazy fans then he should just think: eff them…. He is a grown up man… Who cares. If it is because of his image then again: who cares. I like him because of his work not because of his love life. Publicity? Not anymore and certainly not with Olsen. I really hope that one day we will see him with someone again, a puppy Tom who is in love and who doesn’t care about other peoples opinion. People freaked out when Cumberbatch married. Why can’t people just be happy for their loved actors? I don’t get that…. And I totally understand what you mean concerning his serious interviews. I think he is way more relaxed and funny when someone like Colbert interviews him. Someone below mentioned that may be he will comment when something gets serious.. Who knows. Probably she is right. And honestly it is his life and he can do whatever he wants to do.
@Guest, I avoided one of my aunts for years because of the flack she constantly gave me about not answering her probing, intrusive, extremely insensitive, unnecessary questions about my “love life” “in a straight way” and the judgments that would follow. I cut people miles of slack on this stuff and I have no patience for the questions that try to dictate how we should all conduct relationships – social dictates that I believe lead to the extremely high divorce rate . I really wish others would too.
@ Guest “That is the reason why I say that I totally understand people who are trying to protect their privacy but why hiding?” Being pedantic one could argue that there is little difference between protecting one’s privacy and hiding their private life. And he isn’t obliged to answer, we aren’t entitled to know.
For instance what if he had someone, but it was in early stages or he didn’t know how it will develop, I totally believe that he is right to be coy about it. For both their sakes.
And back to that imfamous evening – from what I saw he looked royally p****d off the me, whether at the paps or her we will never know.
Given the tone of the rest of the article, and how his words get plopped out of context/inaccurately enough times, I side-eye this as I do most quotes in print that have no video to back them up.
That’s fair enough, TotallyBiased. I typically roll my eyes at people who talk about singleness in terms of rings, if only because I’ve heard that phrasing one too many times from partnered and sometimes even married men. Not that Tom meant it that way regardless, but it tends to bug me. I would probably interpret his quoted statement a bit differently if it were made after he were asked two or thee times about his relationship and requests not to comment were ignored, though, as opposed to it being the first response when asked if he was dating Olsen or anyone else.
EXACTLY!
lunchcoma, my personal read on the ring thing is that he’s not really looking to announce a relationship unless it’s at the point of serious long term or engagement. I may be wrong on that reading, but it’s what I felt he was talking about in that “nothing to write home about” interview three years ago too (where he actually said “I hope when there’s something to write home about I’ll be able to talk” – just read to me like “when I am engaged I’ll talk”). Maybe he was talking like one of those “single until you’re married” guys, but yeah, I’m inclined to believe it was more a vague statement about when/if he’ll confirm to the media, and kind of saying “you and your readers don’t really need to know right now so you could write whatever you want”.
…also I dont think he’s the type to “lad it up” with “ehh you’re single til you’re married” comments in an interview, that’s not the way he acts publically so it would be a bit “ooc” lol.
And I don’t think that’s “shade” or rude to the women he’s with either tbh, I think it’s a smart choice to avoid a cycle of media and fan scrutiny every time you date then break up with someone. Not every relationship is super serious straight out of the gate so maybe it’s not worth the stress of knowing a bunch of strangers are counting down to a breakup or a marriage. Alternatively, keeping it quiet might give them the time and space to prepare for a larger commitment without the fans etc speculating amd asking about it.
I suppose it’s different strokes for different folks, I know some don’t mind sharing every relationship and that’s fine too!
lunchcoma, given that the journo has control of what he writes, we don’t actually know that he hadn’t asked Tom two or three times and ignored the back off signs.
As TB says, there is no video back up.
But how does he define long term? If he really dated Jane, then they saw each other for over a year…. If he dates Olsen, it probably started over a year ago, who knows… Just speculations but waiting until a ring? May be he got burned once with Susannah and hides now…. Anyway I wish him good luck.
“And I don’t think that’s “shade” or rude to the women he’s with either tbh, I think it’s a smart choice to avoid a cycle of media and fan scrutiny every time you date then break up with someone. Not every relationship is super serious straight out of the gate so maybe it’s not worth the stress of knowing a bunch of strangers are counting down to a breakup or a marriage. Alternatively, keeping it quiet might give them the time and space to prepare for a larger commitment without the fans etc speculating amd asking about it. ”
Thank you, Neverland. This is how real life works but for some reason, people like to forget it, even when talking to/about friends and family members. There is no “spouse store.” There has always been something known as “casual dating.” It usually takes a lot of misses to find compatibility. But people want to permanently match others up at even one hint of even so much as a dinner together and if the guy doesn’t publicly proclaim undying love for some woman he’s dated once or twice, then he is somehow disrespecting her, hiding her, and lying. That’s not how life really works and this insistence that it should be may be why the majority of marriages end in divorce.
Anon, lol I don’t know what he would define as long term. You’d have to ask him that! tbh you could date someone for a year but if you work/live in different countries, may not feel that’s enough time to assess whether your foundation is strong enough for the public step. Other people date for two months then move in together or know they’re going to get married. What I meant basically is that I’m not sure he’s going to comment in the affirmative on his personal life until he feels good and ready to, and from his comments it sounds like that may be engagement or living together etc. But maybe he’ll change his mind. It all depends on the person he’s with lol.
I suppose you could date someone for a year, have friends and family know, but still don’t feel it’s ready for basically the whole gossip-seeking part of the world to know. It all comes down to personal preference, and that preference could change depending on the person you’re dating. One girlfriend might want to keep it quiet, one might feel ready for the public aspect. And depending on how the man (or woman, if it were the other way round) feels, he might agree or disagree. A relationship with a public figure should only go fully public when both parties feel ready and comfortable with that. I know on a day to day basis the public knowing won’t have a big effect, but I’m sure there’s some sort of psychological, mental effect on knowing everyone can google you, speculate about whether you’ll have kids, randomly ask you about it etc.
lol sorry for going on. Relationships are very interesting. Not specifically Tom’s, he can get on with his life without me knowing, I just wish him happiness tbh, but the whole idea of when and how we are expected to date, marry, who we are supposed to tell. I have a good friend who’s been with her bf for years but I would guess that at least 85%of our university acquaintances aren’t aware, even though she was with him during that time. Because she didn’t put it on facebook, doesn’t really share lots of photos on there, and doesn’t mention him in casual conversation that much. And she doesn’t like telling people she only casually knows about her private life. But she isn’t hiding it at all, she lives with him and goes about town with him. Relationship expectations are strange but funny.
@Neverland, again, bravo!
I didn’t see that as playing coy but more of a “who cares?” kinda thing. His response seemed more mildly irritated than coy but again, not video so tone is left out. I was/am really hoping that the crazies were/are going away or that the craziness is confined to the internet mostly. They ruin everything. Hopefully his new super guarded ways are working for him and people around him. He’s certainly not giving anything away that’s for sure. Maybe take a page from David Tennant’s playbook as he seemed to come out of being Dr. Who pretty well.
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