Kristen Stewart covers the latest issue of Variety, their Cannes Film Festival preview. Kristen is the poster girl for this year’s Cannes because she has two big films premiering there, and she recently became the first American actress to win a Cesar Award (the French Oscar). To celebrate, Kristen ended up giving one of the most interesting interviews to Variety that I’ve ever read from her. At one point, she describes herself as “cagey,” which is a great descriptor for K-Stew. She IS cagey, and usually she’s not this chatty with journalists. She talks about Woody Allen, what she calls “the scandal” (her affair with Rupert Sanders), and how she loves being photographed with her girlfriends, because she’s a proponent of the LGBT community even if she will not say the words “gay” or “bisexual” in an interview. You can read the full piece here. Some highlights:
On “the scandal” of her affair with Rupert Sanders: “Women are so judgmental of each other. It’s very innate, instinctive, f—ed-up, animal-like.”
Her awkward red carpet years: “The amount of tumultuous growing up I’ve had to do in front of everyone is awesome. For somebody who is super-sensitive and cagey, it’s the perfect place for me to be thrust into, because I’m like, ‘Oh my f—ing God. Now I have to live in a f—ing bounce house and stand and say, “‘No, I deserve to be here.” ’ ”
She’s glad she wasn’t asked back to the Snow White/Huntsman sequel: “I read a few scripts. None of them were good. None of them were greenlight-able. And I had a meeting with Universal about the places where the story could go. Maybe Chris [Hemsworth] was more into it. I actually don’t f—ing know.” She insists that the tabloid coverage of her relationship with Sanders didn’t factor into Universal’s decision-making. “It wasn’t a situation where I got kicked off a movie because I got in trouble. We had been in talks months after that about making something work, and it never came together.” Stewart found out about the sequel in a press release. “I was like, ‘OK, cool.’ We hadn’t spoken in a long time, but I didn’t know we had broken up.” The studio did reach out to ask if she would appear in a cameo as Snow White. She told them, “I might just leave that be. I was really into that, but — ” she adds with a smirk. “So now I’m like … ‘Thank God.’ ”
Woody Allen on Kristen: “If this was 1944 or 1935, she would have been one of those drop-dead-beautiful movie stars. She would have been in the pantheon of classic actresses like Rita Hayworth or Elizabeth Taylor.”
She was aware of Dylan Farrow’s accusations against Woody, and she asked Jesse Eisenberg what he thought about it: “I was like, ‘What do you think? We don’t know any of these people involved. I can personalize situations, which would be very wrong.’ At the end of the day, Jesse and I talked about this. If we were persecuted for the amount of sh-t that’s been said about us that’s not true, our lives would be over. The experience of making the movie was so outside of that, it was fruitful for the two of us to go on with it.”
Her girlfriends: “When I was dating a guy, I would never talk about my relationships to anyone. I feel the same way now.” She doesn’t use the word “girlfriend,” though she’s been photographed in public with women she’s reportedly dated. “I’m not hiding sh-t. And I’m very obviously …” She leaves the last word of that sentence in ellipses. “There’s acceptance that’s become really rampant and cool. You don’t have to immediately know how to define yourself.”
She used to feel like she needed to define herself: “I had to have some answer about who I was. I felt this weird responsibility, because I didn’t want to seem fearful. But nothing seemed appropriate. So I was like, ‘F—k, how do I define that?’ I’m not going to. Plus, I didn’t want to f—k with other people… I didn’t want to be this example: It’s so easy. I don’t want it to seem like it was stupid for them to have a hard time.”
She wants to be a propenent for the LGBT community: “I find the movement that’s occurring to be so important, that I want to be part of it… Me not defining it right now is the whole basis of what I’m about. If you don’t get it, I don’t have time for you.”
She wants her young fans to see her with her girlfriends: “That’s really important to me. As much as I want to protect myself, it’s not about hiding. As soon as you start throwing up so many walls, you cannot see over them yourself, so you just start isolating in a way that’s not honest. I definitely found where I’m comfortable. I don’t take credit for that.”
Re: her girlfriends… I’ve long suspected (and even said) that Kristen is totally fine with being photographed with Alicia Cargile, Soko and anybody else. She wants people to see her. She’s long said “I’m not hiding.” I didn’t realize that it was part of a larger plan to insure that her younger fans would see those photos. Interesting.
Re: The Huntsman shade… I don’t know, I sort of thing she’s earned the right to shade the sh-t out of the sequel? The Huntsman bombed and no one really understood why the film was made without Kristen? Still, she’s terrifically bitchy there.
Re: Woody Allen. So messy. Her argument makes no sense.
Re: “Women are so judgmental of each other…” Girl, you banged a married man in the back of your mom’s Mini Cooper. It was a legit scandal! And of course women and men judged you.
Photos courtesy of Variety.
“Woody Allen on Kristen: “If this was 1944 or 1935, she would have been one of those drop-dead-beautiful movie stars. She would have been in the pantheon of classic actresses like Rita Hayworth or Elizabeth Taylor.””
I don’t want to live on this planet anymore.
Dont leave the planet just yet, its Woody Allen. The man who just finished describing his paternal relationship with his wife. The man who cast Miley Cyrus based solely on some episode of Hannah Montana. He cant be taken seriously, ever.
weird thing to say anyway, why couldnt she be drop dead beautiful now?
That’s a good point. I don’t think she’s Elizabeth Taylor, but she’s not ugly. Is he talking about fashion?
Don’t leave, the man is old as f*ck. He’s going before any of us, god willing. Just hold on to that thought.
I love how suddenly, whenever a celeb woman is under attack for crappy behavior, it’s these bitchy women who are just so mean to each other. Women shouldn’t attack each other! No honey, you two homewrecked the sh*t out of your relationship and his marriage, you deserve ALL the shade. Maybe not forever but yeah, for a while you did.
I must agree. Women shouldn’t be forced to pretend they support other women or any person even when that person behaves in a cruel and damaging way toward others just to go against the stereotypes of female behavior. How does Kristen even think she has a need to say this publicly – wasn’t that exactly what she did to that director’s wife (and kids) when she knowingly moved in on her husband? Her hypocrisy is unbearable on this level.
I hope so, littlemissnaughty. Mind you, I have a child-molesting, wife and child abuser btother-n-law who is a drunk with Parkinson’s Disease, and we’ve been thinking for years that he’d cark it any day. Yet he still kicks around. The sad thing is that the two best and beautiful me I n our family, who stood up to him and helped everyone else, were taken far too early. Sometimes, life is so bloody unfair. If old age or a horrible illness doesn’t take out this creep soon, I’m hoping he encounters some untoward situation that will help him on his way..
I’ve only seen KS recently wearing hats, and didn’t realise she is blonde pretty much all over. I think it really suits her. Not many brunettes can go blonde and still look as good.
Kristen Stewart is a movie goddess on par with Elizabeth Taylor? He must be getting senile. Her interviews are terrible. She still sounds like a school girl trying to be profound. She seems to be stubbornly not evolving, but then, again, how can you improve on perfection?
HAHAA. The biggest laugh I got today. No this vapid person is not the same as Elizabeth Taylor. Woody needs his eyes checked.
As immature and self-involved as ever. I thought for a while that she just needed to grow up, but I think she’s probably not willing to do that – her self-image seems pretty wrapped up in being a poor, tortured soul so above everyone else.
She’s insanely self-involved and narcissistic. The way she dances around the question about her affair with Rupert Sanders “Women are so judgemental…” Girl, a family broke up thanks to an affair that you were 50% a part of. You cheated on your boyfriend of 5 years too, the man you were living with. That entire situation was messy. Everybody was going to judge. There were pictures of you getting it on in the backseat of a car! Hiding. Being skeezy as hell. And I doubt her not being a part of Snow White was a strategy to not rehash that shit again, because it WAS going to be brought up.
It certainly would have been brought up. I’m glad Liberty and her children did not have to relive that garbage.
Yeah, I think she is “innately” self-involved. Yet, I still hope she will grow up a little because I do like her “f- you” attitude towards Hollywood and I find her quite funny – unintentionally funny I suppose. I like her quirkiness too. I would like to blame her age as to the reason she sounds like a dolt in interviews but there are many ladies her age who are much more mature, articulate, insightful and take responsibility for their “mistakes.”
“I was like, ‘What do you think? We don’t know any of these people involved. I can personalize situations, which would be very wrong.’ ”
So, if you didn’t know the people involved is OK. Please!
If she is so into being honest with herself why throw up a wall around the truth? She wanted to solidify her indie movie cred by starring in a Woody Allen film and was willing to overlook his vile behavior to get ahead.
I feel like I’m more of an equal opportunity judger. Rupert Sanders was the married guy? I’d give him more shade for that situation if he was the one who was married. Same with the Jolie/Pitt thing. He was the married one, why should AJ get more blame?
Because Kristen was in a committed relationship at the time. And she had socialized with Rupert’s wife and his children. Both Kristen and Rupert acted selfishly and neither one is less or more to blame. They are equally bad.
And wasn’t Liberty Ross instrumental in Kristen landing the role of Snow White? Nice way to treat someone who did you an incredible favor, Kristen.
I don’t think the women should get more blame, but AJ and Kristen both knew these men were married. I have no respect for both parties in these situations. The men took the oath to remain faithful, and the women knew these men were in a relationship. Judgement for everybody in this situation!
+1 Luca76 Angelina and Brad aren’t anything remotely close to Kstew and the Sanders fiasco, because 3 of the 3 parties say no cheating occurred.
People like fabricating their own fantasy version of the Brangelina ‘triangle,’ because it provides them with a reason to hate the woman who came ‘next,’ and coddle the woman they see as the poor forlorn reject.
To @Alex, people don’t really give AJ a pass – even today, many women are still as hateful as ever. Nevermind that they’re wrong about when Brad’s dead union with Aniston officially was toast, and when he an Angelina got together.
As everyone on this message board knows, people like you, Chelsea Handler, female first posters and many assorted others are always there to malign Angelina and call her a ‘homewrecker,’ not because it’s true but because they relate and identify with average plain Jen, and want to punish beautiful Angie for being ‘next,’ for Brad.
They don’t give her a pass because of her children either, many times they’ve attacked her kids too. They hate seeing the family out and about, as it’s just a reminder to them what Aniston lost and/or doesn’t have. Even today, Jolie and Pitt can’t go trick or treating with their kids, or out shopping without people screaming and sobbing ‘PR!! Photo op! Aiyeeee!’ It’s scary.
As for the confusion, and things being unclear. Angelina made it crystal, though people basically ignore what both she and Brad said, which is understandable, but then they also ignore Aniston’s words. (Background: they shot MAMS for a year, Angelina knew nothing of Brad’s marriage but thought he was happy and only one on set unable to relate to theme of film – unbeknownst to her Brad’s relationship is a bust, and he’s got a crush on her. Brad separates from Aniston in Dec of 2004, in Jan 2005 he and Aniston both make it official with press releases, and that spring Brad and Angelina are together, wrapping up the yr long shoot on MAMS). Angelina’s haters bizarrely, also ignore Aniston saying her husband didn’t cheat, and how she admires and loves him, blah blah blah. Which is really strange.
They basically refuse to listen to what all parties concerned have said, in order to keep hating the beautiful girl uninterrupted. Pretty pathetic.
Brangelina didn’t cheat, bottomline. Kstew did.
Karen, come on, now, of course all three of them are going to say no cheating took place. What else could they say? Brad didn’t want to admit to adultery, Angie didn’t want to admit to hooking up with a married man, and Jennifer didn’t want to look like a cheated-on wife. Bottom line: nobody knows what really took place except the three people involved, it’s none of anyone else’s business anyway, and it all took place so long ago that it hardly matters any more. Everybody involved has moved on with their lives and they all seem to be content. I don’t know why people have to drag up an eleven year old divorce as if it just happened the day before yesterday.
@Carmen, who wrote: “Karen, come on, now, of course all three of them are going to say no cheating took place. What else could they say? Brad didn’t want to admit to adultery, Angie didn’t want to admit to hooking up with a married man, and Jennifer didn’t want to look like a cheated-on wife. **Bottom line: nobody knows what really took place except the three people involved,** it’s none of anyone else’s business anyway, and it all took place so long ago that it hardly matters any more.”
And yet, when all three–four, really, if you count Courtney Cox, who was up close and personal with all the details–said nothing happened until ‘after’ the official Aniston-Pitt split, no one believed them. If you think Jennifer Aniston wouldn’t have screamed ‘Brad cheated on me!’ from the roof tops during her pity tour in 2006, I have a bridge to sell you. With every photographer on the planet searching for ‘the’ photo of Brad and Angie together, the benefit of doubt must lie with the “three (four, remember Courtney) of them who said no cheating took place” since the world didn’t get that Brad and Angie photo until a month ‘after’ Jennifer filed for divorce.
I don’t think the AJ situation is as clear cut no one really knows when Pitt & Aniston decided to separate. They just make assumptions based on barely remembered tabloid stories. I Don’t really think the situations compare at all.
Rupert bears the responsibility for his marriage but she did something inconsiderate and she actually knew Liberty and was friendly with her. I’ve never once heard her pulbicly say she regrets what she did in a real way. I’m not here for slut shaming but she sounds like an a-hole.
Um, and Kristen took their daughter out for ice cream. So she was clearly friendly with the entire family.
And my thing is that she acted like an asshole the entire time. She’s never apologized for it. She did the public apology to Rob, which is probably the most real she’s ever been….but other than that? She was playing games with the media. I remember they were in Canada? I think, for the premiere, and someone asked her if she and Rob were together, and instead of saying “no comment” or a “we want to stay private”/non answer, she smirked and said “We like to keep ’em guessing.”……while it was Rob who had jokes cracked at him, while he was promoting the film…….he had to face it more than she did!
Equal judgement here. One thing is Liberty had Kristen around her kids, had her over for dinners at her house so yea I’m judging the F outta her. You became friends with his wife then screwed her husband. Rupert is a dog and deserved what he got but I’m not letting her off the hook.
People like to give AJ a pass because they are such a cute family but yea it wasn’t a good look.
She should not get the blame for breaking a marriage, since she did not decide to do it but if someone knows the other is in a relationship and that relationship is not open and the other person is cheating and goes along with it, that makes her a piece of shit too.
Because she was well- aware that he was married. Unless he was in an open marriage (and his wife confirmed that), married men are not fair game. I don’t blame her for the marriage ending, since Rupert ended that. However, she knowingly had an affair with a man she knew to be “off the market.” That doesn’t make her a home-wrecker, but it does make her unethical. Part of being decent isn’t just not engaging in lousy behavior yourself, it’s also about doing your best not to enable the lousy behavior of another.
The Brad and Angie thing – well, part of my issue is that the timeline has always sort of been up in the air. Were he and Jen basically done when he took up with Angie? Were they already separated? What exactly was going on? That’s why I think people give them more leeway, because it seems so unclear.
Of course it makes her a homewrecker! She’s basically the definition of a homewrecker: “a person who is blamed for the breakup of a marriage or family, especially due to having engaged in an affair with one member of a couple.”
Aniston herself said that by 2004 the marriage was essentially kaput. So the question is how can you call someone a home wrecker if there was actually no home left to wreck?
Regarding women being especially vicious with each other, she isnt wrong. Relational aggression is an actual thing. Not all women engage in it of course but its a big part of female group dynamics
But what you’re describing is not innate, as she so eloquently put it. Women aren’t bitches because nature dictates it. We’re taught to be jealous because we’re taught to be insecure. I feel like I see less and less of this type of behavior the older I get, at least with my friends and the women I choose to socialize with. When I can’t choose (work etc.) it’s a different beast.
We’re also taught to not trust other woman because of A-holes like Kristen who will smile in your face and give your man a beej in the back of a mini cooper. Obviously not all women will do this but I think developing the ability to size one another up is an important, almost self preservation tactic to guard against the hussies. Men who cheat are just as terrible by the way. I’m not trying to place more blame on women, just offering a possible theory on why women are so critical of each other because thats definitely true.
Thank you for saying this! Absolutely! The older women get and the more they learn to love and appreciate who they are the less this stuff goes on.
I forgot to add that men are not immune to this behavior either. But, most of us learn and grow.
Yes I think there’s a lot of truth to what you say here.
It’s funny because it reminds me of a conversation my mom and I had just a couple days ago. I was saying how men are terrible at hiding their crankiness, whereas women tend to be really good at pretending they’re not upset or sad when in the presence of other people. I think that so much of this is due to social conditioning and women being expected to play the Happy Wife all the time, to never show sadness or anger, and to be always put on a smile no matter what. Conversely, in a social sense men never had to live up to that expectation thus were allowed to be moody whenever they wanted to.
@Snarky: I get what you’re saying but I wouldn’t put this under women vs. women. I think it’s about who you surround yourself with. As I said, the women I choose to be friends with don’t do this. If they did (nobody is a saint), they would feel horrible about it. I usually stay away from those who feel it’s fine or not a big deal as long as they’re not the cheaters. I just don’t want that drama potential in my life and frankly, I strongly disagree with this behavior. But it’s the same with men. I think what you’re getting at is the idea that if we’ve been able to “land” a guy, we should work at keeping him, i.e. protect ourselves from the bitches who will steal him away. That whole notion goes against everything I believe in, to be honest. It’s never going to work, you can only try to choose a decent person to be with or be friends with. Man or woman. And do your part and treat them with respect. The rest is up to the universe.
“Women aren’t bitches because nature dictates it.”
Actually researchers are leaning more towards relational aggressional being nature rather than nurture. Similar behavior has been observed among our primate cousins ((therefore unlikely to be learned behaviour). The females of primate species are at a significant survival disadvantage when excluded from the “tribe” and relational aggression is all about exclusion. This is why women feel so much worse than men, when faced with this kind of attacks. Its a throw back response from when being rejected meant certain death for you and your offspring. It is also believed that the reason that relational aggression is lower among males is because they tend to express aggression physically. This is mostly ascribed to testesterone and is accordingly replicated in our species cousins. Societies prescribed norms have merely reinforced what already existed.
While I agree that society works hard to keep women insecure, the “bitch” thing is more nature than nurture, which isnt to say that we cant consciously overcome the urge to express aggression this way or that we are all as bad as each other.
Even if the tendency is innate, our society actively encourages it.
Women are pitted against each other all the time. Each of us are supposed to want to be the prettiest girl in the room (or the smartest, funniest, most witty, whatever), and since that is impossible, competition arises. We are taught to compare ourselves to other women and measure our worth by external criteria.
It’s actually quite ingenious. Our insecurities are picked at and toyed with mercilessly, and mostly it comes from within. We’re trained to do it to each other and thus we do it to ourselves. It keeps us preoccupied and powerless.
That’s what is f-ked up. That is what we need to fight.
Naya, I know these theories. I also know that there is no definitive answer to the question of how much of it is nature. Similar theories suggest that the reason women are often harsher on female rape victims than men is that it helps them distance themselves from the victim in order to feel safer. It’s also a natural response but I have to say, I usually don’t respond well to these explanations that resort to “Well, there is research to support the theory that we were simply born this way. It’s in our DNA.” Yes. Well. That’s what – supposedly – our intellect is for.
I know that we can’t overcome all our genetically programmed bs. We can, however, use our brains to rise above some of it. Do you accept men being more physically aggressive because of that pesky testosterone? I don’t. Just frickin’ pull yourself together. And here’s where the nurture part comes in. You can raise a boy to deal with his aggression. That means you can raise a girl to behave less like a catty b*tch and more like a decent human being. It’s an effort but it can be done. Instead of teaching her that she’s already inferior to men and the beautiful women and has to get her claws out to get a seat at the table at all. We ARE raised to perceive other women as enemies and it’s a huge load of crap.
@littlemissnaughty who wrote, “We can, however, use our brains to rise above some of it”
Thats exactly what my second paragraph said.
@ Naya: I know. But you made a point of stressing the nature factor after I said that nature does not dictate that we behave like cows. My point is that we have a choice and the fact that there might be a scientific explanation why we sometimes behave this way is not an excuse to me. It’s also not really what KS was getting at. She just felt attacked and put it down to women being bitchy women. As is our nature. I strongly disagree with that narrative.
@ Naya- Maybe some researchers are leaning towards relational aggression being more nature then nurture but definitely not the researchers and leading experts on domestic violence. In the field it is definitely agreed upon that female’s relational aggression is based on how we are taught gender roles.
No but women are more prone to relational aggression just like men are more prone to outward aggression. That’s backed by studies. But again how she applies it here makes no sense because she screwed a married man…she deserves the judgement she got
How much of that is culturally informed, though? Because we live in a society that teaches women to suppress emotions and punishes them for being “unfriendly” or “aggressive” (read: assertive and emotional) whereas men are allowed to be direct about their thoughts and feelings without being characterized as hysterical or bitchy. I’ve no doubt women are judgmental – I’m just not sure that I agree it’s uniquely innate to our gender.
everything is intertwined but as someone stated above the studies lean towards more innate than cultural at this point
No!!!!! Some studies lean towards more innate. Definitely not all and it’s not accepted in the field. It’s great to talk about but let’s not hear one or two studies and say that females are innately bitchy.
Studies are becoming pop science and the researchers need their grants. A study came out showing all the similarities between a female & male brain- no one wants that and it grows dusty. A study comes out that says “we are different!” and everyone jumps on it.
Please take studies with a grain of salt. A huge boulder of salt.
The leading experts in men and women’s anger, how it is learned, innate, expressed and felt do not believe that female’s relation aggression is innate. The bulk of the leading educators on this subject still say it is learned behavior.
I’m all for talking about the new research and debate it but I just cringe when I see “this study showed…..” and then comments like “see above….we are______”
I work in research in psych…I know plenty about looking at studies. I could go in depth about the studies I’ve looked at but I’m not sure a gossip board is where I want to go into sample sizes and cohorts
Okay, and if you work in psych, you know that our understanding of the human brain and its conditioning by biological or social mechanisms is still in its infancy because technology has only recently allowed us to analyze the human brain in situ. There are probably several studies that do so women are more relationally aggressive – the validity of that claim is not what’s being argued here. The question of how much of that is based in differences of biological development versus informed and developed under social conditions. The argument is whether that is equivalent to innate or learned behavior. And the reality is that WE DON’T KNOW. We may never know because it’s impossible (or at least horrifically unethical) to raise a standard sample of human beings raised in total social isolation for comparative study.
tl;dr it’s impossible to state assuredly that something is biologically innate across the spectrum if it lacks a comparable standard for study, cannot be viewed without consideration of social influence, can be found in people of the opposite gender under different circumstances, and can be overridden by higher cognitive functions. I don’t necessarily agree with the idea that all studies should be taken with a grain of salt, but medical professionals need to be highly critical of “trendy” research and the methodology that goes into it.
@ Veronica- I totally agree!
Definitely not all studies should be discounted but I do think people have a tendency to look at one study, or hear about a study that they like and then say it’s fact, because, science! Studies that have not been replicated, trendy studies or suddenly jumping on an idea but stating it is so is what I worry about….like you said- we do not know yet and discovering new answers is always cool, I think. It’s interesting to me what is trendy science and what is not- what studies get recognition and go mainstream while others don’t. Also that the answers we receive are linked the questions we ask, which can commonly skew the results from the start. What studies get air time shows what we are hungry for and we should question that imo.
It wasn’t that long ago that science ‘proved’ that women were crazy because of their uterus’s. It wasn’t that long ago that Frued came out and science backed by studies ‘proved’ a lot of stuff about women that is total crap. But back then people said “studies! science! I read the article!”
I just think we should be careful, that’s all. Saying things are one way or another shuts the door on possibilities & learning.
The hate for her is strong! I agree with her on women being super judgmental. I don’t think she’s only referring to the cheating incident. I like that she’s private about her feelings and emotions. I work in an almost all-women environment and it sucks, the gossiping is mind-blowing and the non-stop criticism of other women is mind-boggling. And these are supposed to be ‘educated’ women. Heaven help us.
People are judgemental. Men are not any less judgemental than women, And that has nothing to do with her banging her married director. Perpetuating that idea isn’t a good example for her fans.
I don’t see her as a 1940s star. She doesn’t have that look.
I like what she said about being a good LGBTQ example to her young fans.
Exactly! Men are just as catty and judgemental as women. Men say horrible things about other men, but especially about women. If you look at the comment section of any article, male comments are usually the meanest. I also hate the common saying that women can’t get along! Men kill each other, assault each other and start wars against each other, but somehow we are the ones that can’t get along!
Yeah I agree that men are just as judgmental as women. I do think that women tend to use sh*t-talking as a way to bond via The Common Enemy Theory. I don’t see that pack mentality as much in men.
That being said, men often bond by mercilessly teasing each other to their faces. I’ve never understood that dynamic because if a friend of mine was saying terrible things about me to my face, it would mean that we were fighting. But with men, that seems to be their default way of relating to one another. I should say *some* men because I know not all guys are like this but my brother, my dad, and my boyfriend all do this with their close friends.
And that’s not to say that my female friends and I don’t tease each other, but not to the extent that men seem to. It’s also very different in tone–it’s gentler and more light-hearted.
@Kitten – maybe it’s a cultural thing? Because in m experience, men use use sh*t-talking as a way to bond just as much as women. And the dynamic of teasing people to their faces ( and quite mercilessly so) is common in pretty much every relationship, wheter it is a friendship, or a romantic relationship, or within the family.
Whatever it is, these differences are socially influenced, not innate.
I never said it was innate?
I can only speak from my own experiences. Most of my friends are men and I don’t see them foaming at the mouth to talk sh*t the way women do. You see it even in this forum and it’s very mob mentality.
Men will make a couple wise cracks about another person and then quickly move on whereas with women it escalates into a feeding frenzy that can last for hours. I see it all the time at my job and it annoys the crap out of me because I don’t want to spend hours talking meanly about someone else or being forced to listen to that. It’s always the same couple women that do it too…
I’m not saying there aren’t exceptions to this though. Again, just speaking generally as that is the context of our discussion.
Regarding people teasing each other mercilessly being common..
Really?
I would never say some of the sh*t to my BF that his friends say to him.
Why?
Because I understand that as his partner, it would be hurtful to him. As I said, I have mostly guy friends and I know the limitations of the male ego, especially when it comes to women. Like my BF’s friends can say he’s a slob or that he sucks at basketball, but if I said that to him, he’d get upset. I get it because I think that your partner above all should be a soft place to fall and that your partner should be building you up, not tearing you down. We support each other and give one another a lot of positive feedback. I’m not saying everyone should approach their relationship the same way, but it’s what works for us.
*shrugs*
In my experience they are actually even more so. Especially when the men involved can’t solve their differences to each other’s faces, such as in a professional environment.
It makes you wonder. It’s acceptable for guys not to be happy and nice all the time. Women are trained from a young age to be accommodating and warm, even when it’s not warranted or deserved. When you put men in a position where they are not allowed to openly express their discontent and cannot settle differences openly (due to rules, power discrepancy between the parties, fear of losing a job, etc), you get some of the worst catty gossiping bullcrap.
Maybe it’s not a gender thing. Maybe it’s a communication thing. When humans can’t express themselves properly we resort to being petty and passive aggressive. It’s just more commonly attributed to women because we are never supposed to be up front when we’re pissed off.
@Kitten, Kristen said it was innate, not you. I didn’t express myself well.
Oh sorry, Locke. To be fair to Kristen, she probably doesn’t even know what “innate” means lol.
oh look at me being a “catty” woman 😉
@Wren-YES. So much food for thought, particularly your last paragraph.
Some of the most judgmental people I know are men. Very unfair stereotype to categorize women as.
I agree that men are just as judgemental. The real difference to me is that in general women are more open to talking about their feelings, whereas most men have more of a tendency to keep things to themselves. Ask any man for his opinion about someone, and you’ll find out exactly how judgmental he is.
I did laugh when she shaded The Huntsman because that movie was crap.
You right Kaiser i didn’t understood the Woody Allen answer. She talks about a possible child abuse situation but what is important to her (and her co-star aparently) is the reporters reaction basicaly. This kind of shitty comments is so off-putting, even says I just don’t believe Dylan would have been better.
LOL, oh the outrage cometh! She is right about women. Just read some of the comments under any post of hers and people are saying the most ridiculous things and when called out on it they rush in with BUT SHE IS A CHEATER!! You know what? So what! She was 22. People make mistakes. Lets see all of your histories and see how perfect you are.
Anyway, she looks gorgeous and am looking forward to seeing the reaction to Personal Shopper. I never liked Woody Allen movies.
She is obnoxious and this is a gossip site. Get over it.
Yeah but gossip can be fair AND smart (its the tagline)
So often the criticism against Kristen Stewart is just a free for all pile on and people just throw out insults with no merit. Like i still read that she is irrelevant, nobody cares about her, her career is going nowhere, she’s ugly, she’s the worst actor in the world — and these comments are often under an article where it says she got a part in an Ang Lee movie or she’s the face of Chanel or winning major critic’s awards. It’s nonsensical and a bit desperate.
There is often a lot of unfair malice aimed at her, it gets extremely personal.
And if all else fails, people bring up something she did when she was 22 when even the dude’s wife has said she has empathy for her and Rob Pattinson said that it wasn’t why they split up and that lots of young people cheat. I’m just interested in why some get SO angry and intense towards her. It’s weird, and frankly i think she’s done well to rise above it all and carve her own career out without having to be Miss Popularity!
“And if all else fails, people bring up something she did when she was 22 when even the dude’s wife has said she has empathy for her and Rob Pattinson said that it wasn’t why they split up and that lots of young people cheat.”
Which is probably why it seems inappropriate for Kristen Stewart to be saying that women are judgmental. The lady who was married to the guy Kristen cheated with, and had the right to be the most angry, was the least judgmental of her.
When someone in blogs, the media, or in a comments section says Kristen cheated, well, truthfully, that’s just saying a fact. She did cheat on Robert Pattinson and admitted it outright in the apology letter she wrote to People magazine. I’m not even sure if saying that she cheated is a judgement, it’s simply stating what she did.
She has said she has no regrets. When you don’t regret your cheating ways, and continue to cheat on others, I will judge you.
I think your reaction would be very different if someone publicly cheated on Kristen.
She made her apologies. Very publicly and no doubt in private too. There’s nothing she can change, so what is the point in walking around with regret? At some point – especially when you are under the crazy spotlight like Kristen is – you have to make a choice of allowing your choices to define you or getting on with your life and not looking back. And considering a hell of a lot of other people are so intent on hanging on to her past and acting like she should ‘pay’ for it for the rest of her life, she’s damn right so say ‘fk it’ and get rise above it.
Ill never forget reading ONTD when she was going to TIFF for On The Road, just 3 weeks after it all happened. The posters there were so wicked, waiting with baited breath for her to emerge and wanting her to be attacked by paparazzi and embarrassed and humiliated. It was completely irrational. I would not have been able to deal with the sh/t she’s taken from complete strangers and the tabloids. So big whoop if she’s not crying about her past like some want her to do. Literally everybody has moved on and is happy. Sanders wife even got married to a guy she started dating like a month after she split with Sanders. Rob is supposedly getting married to his girlfriend. Rupert Sanders is directing Ghost in The Shell with Scar Jo. Kristen has clearly moved on too. And yet there are people like you ….
Seriously Anname, get over it. It’s not good holding on to so much anger and resentment. Have a nice day x
Yvette, you seem to think I am hanging on to some sort of resentment, which is very amusing. I am more in disbelief that Kristen fans can continue to defend her asshole behavior over and over again. I will leave you to enjoy your Queen Kristen, carry on then with your “nice day”.
Walking around with regret keeps you from f*cking up again. It helps you remember what you did. I don’t get people who go through life with a “no regrets, it’s all made me who I am” philosophy. If you’ve ever hurt someone or affected someone else’s life negatively by behaving like a selfish a**, you better regret it. There’s no need for self-flagellation but when you make a massive public mistake and then say “no regrets”, well, prepare yourself for some pushback.
You like her and seem to think she walks on water. Fine. I don’t think about her all that much but usually, when she gives an interview, there is at least one thing in there that reminds me why she gets on my nerves. That’s a skill.
Btw, no, we weren’t all immature cheaters at 22. Just fyi.
Before you absolve her of all guilt, you might want to go read the comments from the photographer who followed her and Rupert around and got the cheating pics. He said Kristen picked Rupert up outside some random place and then drove around for about an hour to lose any paparazzi. You don’t act like that if you think your actions are okay. So, yeah. She was 22, a 22YO who knew what she was doing was wrong.
GOTR – i don’t care. Why would i? It’s NOMB. It’s in the past. It’s 4 years later – The 4 people directly involved have all moved on with new partners and are happy – what are you doing with your life! Lmao!
@yvette – take a chill. You are coming off aggressive and defensive and it’s unnecessary. These are all subjective topics that we are GOSSIPING about-know your audience and surroundings. I mean how invested are you that you are defending her in how many posts? About cheating. Yet you just asked GOTR what she is doing with her life? Now that’s funny.
Thank you Yvette! Everyone makes mistakes and who the f*ck are we to judge? This is between them and the people they cheated on.
Yvette and Magnolia – you can defend her career all day long. She is definitely a successful actress. But she is also very selfish, arrogant and narcissistic, and not someone I would ever admire or even want to watch onscreen.
So don’t then!
Problem solved!
And i like her so get over it. I have every right to be here and say so without being called ‘kristen’ or a crazy fan’ – She’s not perfect but i don’t expect her to be. She never said she was perfect either.
Isn’t the most recent girlfriend Soko also accusing her of cheating? Seems like a pattern here.
I can’t say I have ever been impressed with her acting so she will be around for fashion houses till about 30 then another starlet will take her place. I don’t think it was smart of her to bash the huntsman sequel. She should have just said it wasn’t for her. Maybe she is riding on Twilight money, but as she gets older she will be getting less opportunities as all women do, and so burning bridges now is not smart long term.
Gorgeous??? She’s pretty when she takes care of herself, but I’ve seen addicts who appear more put together than she does lately. That fried and dirty bleached hair looks like straw, and the bags under her eyes are way too pronounced for a 26 year old. Her clothes also look like she just grabbed them out of the dirty hamper on the way out the door.
Kstew is known for being a regular heavy drinker and a frequent fan of…another substance (and it’s not pot). A little indulgence here and there never hurt anyone, but do that crap often enough and it will definitely start to show on your face. She should slow down, is all I’m saying–because her partying is really impacting her formerly fresh apperance.
Source: My friend owns a bar in TX and Stew and her assistant were asking customers there where to buy the bad shit.
I agree she took an unfair share of the blame, but on the other hand…COME ON. Yeah, she was 22, but she f*cked up in a pretty big and public way. She had to eat shit about it the way any other person would have – she just had to do it in the limelight. Don’t make excuses about it, don’t complain about people being judgmental, just acknowledge the lack of foresight and suck it up. There is literally no way for her to spin that to her benefit at this point – even pointing out the inherent gender dynamics involved in public response just makes her look like an asshole because a.) the fact that she was the bigger name definitely had an influence and b.) her career hasn’t really suffered, but Ross’s marriage is certainly over.
“BUT SHE IS A CHEATER!! You know what? So what! She was 22. People make mistakes. Lets see all of your histories and see how perfect you are.”
That is some weak reasoning. All of us have histories and all of us are judged by those histories. Including men. Including women. Including children. If you screw up and give yourself a bad reputation then you might very well have to deal with that reputation for the rest of your life. Your age doesn’t magically make something right or wrong. There are other 22 yr olds who know never to sleep with a married man and 42 yr olds who haven’t yet learned that lesson.
Regardless, when they make their decision and it becomes public the world judges. If they weren’t up for that then they had a chance to make a different decision.
Exactly. And I don’t mind at all being judged by my actions when I was 22. At that time I was successfully pursuing a career that I loved, had a nice network of supportive friends, an active social life, and was dating a really nice, intelligent guy, who I never cheated on. No way would I have slept with my boss, or any other married man at that age, because I actually had integrity. Was I perfect? Not at all. But there’s seriously nothing that I did when I was young that I’m ashamed of.
Seriously. There are some *big* judgement calls in life that barring a totally moral-less childhood we all innately know not to do. They don’t need to teach a class about not sleeping with your married boss to the majority of people.
When I was 22, I had graduated from college, I was in law school, I was working, I was holding down a household and planning a wedding. At 22. And I know plenty of people like me. 22 is an adult. It’s old enough to know that having sex with a married man, absent his wife’s permission, is not good. And they weren’t even discreet! So please, that 22 excuse is weak. Age is no excuse.
And yes, maybe she feels awful about it. It was an error in judgment. But part of being an adult is accepting the consequences for your behavior. There are people who will always hold it against her. There are people who will never be fans of hers again over it. She should accept that and just say, “It happened and I get that the consequences are mine to accept.” That’s that. Instead, she chooses to sound like a petulant child who can’t accept consequences.
I agree with you… now use that same rational for Kristens fans. Who are the worst women that judge women and men all day on the internet. Ask FKA Twigs about the women judging.
PS- the Woody comment about his personal life was very disrespectful to all parties and I’d wish she left it out. Because its not just Dylan, its Soon YI… and be honest, you didn’t care.
…some of whom were probably young, teenage girls caught up in a fantasy and overreacted. Some of them have probably grown up too at this point and may have changed their approach. Saying they’re the “worst kind of women” is pretty ridiculous, especially since there are plenty of men who likely had negative reactions to her behavior at that point.
She’s right about women.
Especially because most of the judgement is 100% according to whose a fave & whose not.
So some get feted, others get flayed alive for the same actions.
But its rationalised differently if it’s a fave. Selective memory also helps.
I am taken aback at her snark towards the Huntsman though.
Her comments could make the actors, who did appear in it, not very happy.
I doubt Chris etc care, i’m sure they weren’t doing the movie for the artistic worth! By all accounts it did bomb and there’s nothing wrong with her saying she is glad she wasn’t in it because of that. Who wants to be in a financial and critical bomb?
And if Universal didn’t exactly treat her with respect so good on her for not being afraid to say it. She’s one of the few young actresses who can do without kissing ass with studios.
Hi Kristen! Are you here again?
@grace – LOL
You have completely disregarded the fact that she put an entire franchise at risk, costing the studio millions and millions of dollars.
I thought Snow White and the Hunstman was one of the worst movies I have ever seen in part because KStew was terrible as Snow White. I think her terrible acting deserves some of the blame for jeapodizing the franchise.
@anname The movie had made 400m before the story broke – what are you even talking about? She didn’t cost them anything. Charlize did when she demanded equal pay. It’s their problem they wrote a sh’tty movie!
@grace – hi dude xxx
Yvette – FRANCHISE, she and Rupert put the sequels at risk. The second one was significantly delayed, and they didn’t even know if she was going to be a part of it until they could see the fall out from the scandal. She also sent the Twilight studio into panic mode since they still had to do promotion for the final film in that franchise. If Rob Pattinson had bailed and didn’t agree to appear with her, it would have really impacted the final box office numbers. Any way you look at it, her personal actions affected the bottom lines of both studios.
@grace…Nah, not Kristen. Probably Alicia. Definitely not Sodoku, tho.
She shouldn’t be to smug about the Huntsman bombing without her. She couldn’t draw an audience without Twilight. The Snow White character is the brand that sells. The studio was stupid to think the Huntsman character would have the same draw. The sequel was just a bad idea, but I don’t blame the actors for doing it. Easy money. Kristen needs to get off her high horse. She’s not that cool.
@Jegede Spot on. I’m often shocked at some of the comments women make about other women here.
Agreed.
Yep, it pretty much proves Stewart’s point about women. Sad.
Is that really a female thing, though? Because I’d wander over to some of the sport boards if I were you to see some of the comments men make. Or just look at some of the comments your male politicians drop on a regular basis. I’m sure some of it is culturally informed – women are taught to compete with each other at various levels, and internalized misogyny is a thing – but frankly, I’d be surprised if any study found a significant difference in “judgemental” behavior. A lot of what I’ve read seems to suggest gossip is inherently human and part of our biological tendency to form social groups.
Why? Did I miss the secret vagina meeting where we all decided other women were to be carefully screened before judging?
Buff that. I judge anyone and everyone according to their actions. There is no secret code of conduct. Men and women are equal, it’s just women always, funnily enough, get blamed for doing the exact same thing men do.
Even now you women are literally judging others but using your detachment from the situation as a high horse “I’m often shocked by how OTHER WOMEN judge.” Come on…that’s actually kinda hilarious you didn’t notice.
Yes I noticed it and I’m still shocked at how unnecessary some of the putdowns are. You could be right. We shouldn’t be shocked at criticism or passive aggressive comments.
She’s right and she’s wrong. Women absolutely tear each other down over whatever. But I don’t think it’s “innate”. I think it’s learned. Perhaps the instinctual inclination is there, but you can’t deny that our culture pushes women to be deeply insecure and thus ridiculously petty.
I don’t get the irrational hatred for certain celebrities on here. Some can quite literally do nothing right in the eyes of many. Others it seems like they have to practically kick puppies to be criticized. Personally I can’t see where it comes from. They’re all wealthy, live in a bubble and don’t seem to be very educated.
However, I do think that KS is being disingenuous here. “Omg don’t judge me for doing this thing that is actually very judgeable”. I hate when people screw up and then pull the “no haters” card. Play that all you want for the people who say you’re stupid, irrelevant, or ugly. But when you do something morally wrong, you deserve the disapproval. Deal with it.
@Wren
“Some can quite literally do nothing right in the eyes of many. Others it seems like they have to practically kick puppies to be criticized.” – THIS!
Is she really suggesting that she and Jesse E sat down and decided Dylan Farrow was essentially lying when she described what happened to her? If yes, then how is that not “judging”? Appears KS is happy judging away- other actors, folks who use meds for their mental health, the list is long- but judging her is somehow off limits/over the top? Right. Cue the posters going- what she is REALLY saying is “X”. She really appears incapable of developing any sort of appreciation for how self-absorbed and clueless she comes across.
Yes, that is exactly what it sounds like.
It’s not innate. It’s cultural, if it’s excessive, or it’s human.
Biology. It’s a thing.
Maybe she assumes it to be innate because it seems to be such a deeply entrenched quality in herself? Because in my judgement she’s one of the judgiest judgers out there, based on pretty much every interview of hers I’ve ever read anywhere.
Exactly! I didn’t born judgmental… These artists throwing words when they don’t know the meaning…They need to educate themselves a bit more.
Ughhhhh. Socially groomed behavior isn’t the same thing as innate behavior, and I doubt she can speak authoritatively on human nature after being in a cutthroat Hollywood culture for so long.
This selfish narcissist only gives shit about herself and loves to judge everyone else.
O_o
Are you going to counter everyone here who disses your favourite? Because you really must have lot of free time.
Mum?
LOL
She wants to whine about women not supporting each other but she’s working with Dylan’s rapist no problem!
Self-reflection is not her strong point.
Yeah, not a lot of deep thought going into that. Cate B. really pissed me off when she worked with him. She was one of the few women, in her industry, that I respected, but I just can’t get passed the W.A. business.
I have never found her look particularly interesting but, thank goodness, we all have different tastes or we’d all be lined up to date Kirsten.
Men care about gossip even if they dont like to admit it but not to the same degree that women do. so if we look at the backlash for her cheating, yeah most of that will have been women. and lots of those women were “in love” with Robert. of course they will be very vocal. no woman would ever be good enough for your celeb crush so even a really great woman would merely be accepted. but then she publicly cheats on him and all restraints was thrown out of the window. “how could you? on my dream prince?”
but its not like men are not judgemental, they just dont care enough about some actress enough to write long comments (like this one :D) about it or record videos of them crying about the break up.
to make this about gender is really stupid. women also love sport but its men trash talking more about it, just because the numbers of the audience are more male just like gossip is more female.
as if men are not judgemental of cheating women lol
I had the impression the women adored Kristen Stewart because they wanted her to actually marry Rob Pattinson. I actually thought the Twilight ladies, who confused Kristen with her character, were in denial about what she had done.
Very astute @perplexed +1
I was an insider to the twihard fandom at one time. Was very much a part of it, as I’m one of the people who really liked the first movie, and absolutely adored Robert Pattinson. I read 50 shades online while it was still an alternate Twilight fan fic, and many more. The driver for.me, was always Pattinson.
Many might disagree with me, but I think kstew was a lot like the character Bella, basically a blank slate that women/girls lived vicariously through, fantasizing about Edward/Robert.
In my opinion I think Kristen is still coasting on those fumes.
I was on one of the more popular ‘ship,’ boards at one time when the news broke and the Robsten bubble was blown to bits. We got word that there were pics of Kristen cheating on Rob, and of course most derided the report as stupid and not real. Even when they saw the pics, they didn’t believe the accompanying backstory, then finally Stewart’s ‘apology,’released ND they all were sent reeling.
I recall my post at the time. I literally said, ‘This makes no sense, why would she blow up her relationship with Rob for this guy? I then wrote, that the only thing I could figure is that she’s a young girl struggling with her sexuality. That it wasn’t so much she was ‘cheating,’ on Rob, but that it was a kind of exploration of hetero – normative behavior that would help her solidify what and who she wanted (not dudes).’
I pretty much figured upon hearing the news of the incident with Sanders, that Kristen was gay.
A straight girl, truly in love with Rob Pattinson doesn’t cheat with Sanders. Since I believed she loved Rob, that left me with the only logical conclusion IMO – that she was a young woman, coming to grips with being a lesbian.
If you read between the lines of this Variety piece today, what I wrote 3 years ago, is all there.
I don’t think she should be punished her entire life for a grave mistake she made while trying to figure herself out. Is it terrible a family came apart at the seams because of Sanders actions with Stewart? In my opinion, Liberty was done a favor. Stewart had an excuse, Sanders however was a randy horndog looking for a young conquest. Good riddance.
What I will criticize Stewart for is the dismissal of the now grown victim of child molestation, who told the world in detail, the act that was committed upon her. If that’s not judging and cruelly dismissing other women, I don’t know what is. Sadly, I’m not surprised – Stewart is 110% career driven and hung up on indie cred. She’d have thrown her mother under a bus to work with Allen. She didn’t need Eisenberg to tell her anything. She gives zero effs about Allen’s alleged victims. She’s no girl’s girl. Ultimately it seems she doesn’t relate at all. Be it Liberty, Dylan or Soon Yi. I don’t think she respects women. If you read her interviews she’s usually ‘judging,’ her female peers in some form.
In the last Picture she looks like Paris Jackson.
It’s pretty clear that Yvette is Stewart in disguise. Lmao
Wha?
Lol. I thought the same. It gets weird if it’s not. Lily Rose likes to follow me around on Depp posts. Next time I’m going to tell her to go back to school.
People being judgemental of your decision to f*ck a married man in a parked car in a public setting is hardly women being “innately judgemental.” More like, all of society judging you for being stupid – gossip just happens to have a more vocal female base. And then she followed it up by implying that Farrow’s daughter was lying about her sexual abusiveve at the hands of a man who was involved with his underage daughter. Lovely.
Every time this woman says something thoughtful, she undermines it by revealing a pretty standard Hollywood narcissm. I want to like her, but her interviews always have a touch of, “Oh God, shut up” at some point.
I think the scandal also got more attention because she wrote that weird letter to People magazine apologizing to her boyfriend. That was even weirder/funnier than getting caught in the Mini-Cooper.
Yeah, it was definitely the definition of a PR misstep. It was mishandled top to bottom. I get that she’s tired of rehashing the event over and over, but you know…let’s not pretend celebrities don’t have control over what gets asked in an interview. If you want to leave it in the past, take the question off the table. Frankly, we’ve all moved on gossip-wise, so I’m not sure why it’s getting resurrected now.
That and she tried to bribe the pap into not releasing the pictures which he told everyone about sooo…definition of a PR nightmare
The apology was weird because she and her people were clearly trying to pass off a sustained affair as a fling that only just happened. But her fans had more than enough denial going before an apology was even made so they needed very little encouragement to buy into that lie.
Seriously, apparently it’s all our fault her legs were spread.
I know right. *eyeroll*
Well I’ve had many a man wander haplessly towards my open legs, only to trip and fall in. Poor menz!
Maybe I should think about putting up a warning sign or something.
Oh dear Kitten!
It sounds like that sign is badly needed, perhaps some kind of flashing light or hazard signal…gotta protect those poor menz somehow!
I see an immature mind at work, rationalizing rationalizing. Lots of words, blah blah blah.
Nice try Kristen. And I am even a fan of her acting.
I forgot she was a Becky once…
becky with the dirty hair
LOL! that was gold.
Lol
She can straight up go f**k herself with that Woody Allen comment. It wasn’t just tabloid fodder, it wasn’t just trashy magazines spreading rumors around. It was his OWN daughter stepping out of the comfort of her private life that she worked so hard to build, and saying “My father abused me.”
I’m getting really tired of people making excuses for predators just because they want to be in their films. When did artistry start trumping accountability?
Exactly! I can’t even justify watching a W.A. movie, let alone participating in one.
Exactly! I used to be a huge WA fan (esp. of his early work), but after hearing about Dylan/Soon-Yi, I threw out all of his movies that I owned; I won’t even watch one on TV. He is beyond reprehensible. I cannot reconcile or support any actor that works with him anymore. As my grandmother used to say: “FEH!” (I love that word! lol)
There is no excuse. Period.
Kristin Stewart is very attractive but to include her with the immortal Liz Taylor? NO WAY.
She’s just not that bright, is she. She is superficial and a little spoiled; maybe it’s as simple as that. If she weren’t acting, what would she do? Serve coffee?
I remember when I kept waiting for her to stop coming off like a sulking 14 yr old in her interviews. I thought “Well she’s young and inexperienced so eventually she’ll be more informed and her interviews will have real insight.”
I see now that by choice she’s not really going to change. She’s very selfish in a sense that she wants the world to perfectly respond to her while she responds exactly how she likes regardless of whether it hurts people or not. She made the decision to sleep with the married man, post an embarrassing apology letter online to the ex she cheated on, and screw up a movie franchise but somehow it’s the world’s fault for treating the situation like the celebrity scandal it was.
As for all her talk about women being innately cruel…just another way to absolve some responsibility. Push men onto a pedestal (so I guess child molesters are less cruel than bitchy women) while also making sure she doesn’t offend any of the sense of the patriarchy who might give her poor soul a job.
Newsflash to Kristen. The photographer who took pics of your sweaty rendezvous in the car was probably a man. At least one editor at the magazine who gleefully printed the pics was a man. The company that prepped the pics knowing the immediate impact it would have on your career likely had plenty of men at the table. A lot of men reaped the reward of your foolishness laughing at their luck, so maybe next time you grumble about catty bitches you can remember you cheated on Rob and Sanders cheated WITH YOU.
*clapping sounds*
+10.000
She was called a ‘trampire’ by a man! Which became an internet thing.
And she is the last one to talk about cruelness. She not just cheated, she was ‘close’ to the wife and made an effort to hide their dirty secret. They both hurt the people that loved them and both ruined their relationships. Age is not an excuse anymore either as she still cheating many years later. She seems to love being with kind devoted people only to be walk all over them. When you’re a serial cheater before the age of 30, you are in no position to lump women together. She needs to sort her life. She totally lacks self-awareness or self-reflection as she’s still having the same patterns as before (deflect, moan/sulk, cheat and being a hypocrite).
The only thing interesting about her is that she is a walking talking contradiction. Her actions seem to be very mean-spirited and selfish. I shudder to think she will remain a thing in Hollywood.
Men are viscous to women. Specially women they think are not attractive. Women are held to a much higher standard. An integral part of femininity is compassion and when a women judges someone as harshly as a man, she is looked upon as worse.
Totally agree. Not to mention the fact that men also treat other men harshly. It just doesn’t get much attention because us women are the ones seen as b*tches while men are seen as the logical and rational gender. Please.
I don’t think there is a clear answer as to why woman treat each other harshly. I’m sure there’s a mixture of anthropological reasons and learned behavior.
Sometimes we just don’t like a person regardless of gender and sometimes situations just aren’t sexist. She is hiding behind the old ‘women are gossipy cats to each other’ because she did something sketchy. I would judge a man the same way. It’s a red herring to distract from the real issue of her being caught blowing a married guy in public.
My main criticism of her is her dismissive attitude about Woody Allen. Dylan’s suffering continues due to people like her excusing what is inexcusable. They always revert to questioning the victim’s honesty as if a child can produce concrete evidence. His history and creepy photos with his adopted daughters are hard to ignore. How can you even want to associate with this disgusting man? This is what she does. Excuse after excuse for questionable behavior on her part.
That’s what I find gross and I will always judge her for it. Anyone who has worked with him since Dylan told her story should be ashamed of themselves.
Agree 100%.
I liked this quote: “As soon as you start throwing up so many walls, you cannot see over them yourself,”.
I found it to be surprisingly profound.
I actually think some of the worst sexism I’ve ever seen was woman-on-woman.
“You’re either a threat, or not”
Hello my name is elns I am by my own volition here to judge 😉 I am going to say that we are all a bunch of judgey people. I like the comment about judging people on their actions, however I’m well aware that what action I deem is “just fine and dandy” or “not that bad” another person is going to feel differently about and possibly judge me — that’s just how opinions work right? I’d like to cite a real life example of my wayward ways but I’m actually not ready for that kind of exposure.
I think people for the most part do a pretty good job of the polite opinion around here.
My other thoughts more on the post than the fascinating comments is that I still am not a real fan of K-Stew, but I appreciate her not wanting to be defined by labels that allow others to compartmentalize and define her by those labels solely.
The fact that she turned to Jesse E. for perspective/advice on working with Woody makes me think her bubble is pretty small, though I’m definitely not a fan of isolated and insulated and self important Jesse. They both seem pretty self involved and have to insulate themselves from others by thinking we all don’t get it. Perhaps the fact the two are such good friends makes me think they wouldn’t have to tell me not to sit at their table, ’cause I probably wouldn’t even be looking in that direction. 😉
I can’t get past how much she swears in interviews. It’s not like I never drop F-bombs but the way she curses in interviews makes her sound try-hard and not too bright.
she looks lovely on the cover. that’s all I’ve got. 🙂
I think a lot of harsh judgement comes from how insecure a person is. Man or woman.
I don’t really agree that men are less judgmental/girl-hating/mean than us. If all the time you spend on sites and blogs is spent on sites where it’s mostly women talking, or in her case if you date a guy who has lots of fangirls, it might seem that way. If you look at celebrity/entertainment/gossip/politics sites and blogs where men do comment (yahoo, youtube, people, e online, Hollywood life, Gawker sites, daily mail, huffington post, twitter, reddit, 4chan, etc.) you’ll see that men are just as petty, nasty, cruel, and lacking in empathy and respect. But I do think there’s a whole list of different traits we’re taught to judge other women and ourselves on and turn into an unhelpful competitive thing that’s different from what men do to each other. But men criticized and joked about Kstew’s affair too, just not as much maybe because women and girls pay more attention to her.
Perhaps what she means by the whole “women being so judgmental” thing is moreso to do that people crapped on her, but not on the guy.
And I dont feel like her Woody Allen argument is that bad. She’s basically saying that she doesn’t know what actually happened.
I love how this 24 year old twit thinks she has all the answers to life’s burning questions. She is an egomaniacal idiot and a fvxking JOKE of an actor. She is unreliable, untrustworthy, and she needs to shower more often.
Perhaps I’m being irrational but I absolutely cannot stand this woman.
I still have a thing about actors shuttling aside objections and reservations they might otherwise have were it not for a film director that could put them in a movie that “helps” them. Kristen supports the LBGY community, a cause, but she and Eisenberg discussed the situation about Allen and went ahead with it because it was “helpful” to them. It seems that actors pick and choose. She and Eisenberg discussed “rumors”, but it is not a rumor that Allen had an affair with and then married his then partner’s daughter, who would have been under those auspices his daughter. I still have a problem with that, and the fact that actors can rail against others who have fallen low, oh, unless they are successful directors who often have ensemble movies that often feature actors that go on to receive awards from those roles. And about her “affair” with the Director of Snow White, I always thought that was set up to take away attention at that time from rumors that she was gay. I just never thought that was a real thing. Just my feeling.
“Women are so judgmental of each other.” <– True, sometimes.
"It’s very innate, instinctive, f—ed-up, animal-like." <–A perfect example of the aforementioned.
I just saw the trailer. Woody Allen casts himself in EVERY FILM: Did you see Jesse Eisenberg moving his hands as he does the usual neurotic monologues? Same goes for Owen Wilson in Midnight in Paris. Okay, maybe not Match Point, but just about every Allen film has the Allen-ish character.
“If we were persecuted for the amount of sh-t that’s been said about us that’s not true, our lives would be over.”
Girl, I know that having an affair with a married man is bad, but please don’t compare that to sexually abusing someone.
“Women are so mean. Unlike me. I would never say anything mean about women. Women are such bitches, I don’t understand why they, unlike me, are so mean to women.”
On what planet are men less mean to women than other women are? I’d guess she’s never heard of Gamergate. Revenge porn. Or, you know, the men who abuse their wives, girlfriends, DAUGHTERS… but men are allowed that. A woman says one thing that’s not the nicest and suddenly women are evil, but go ahead and keep defending a man who molested his daughters. Because you weren’t there? Well, I’ve never been to China, guess I better keep an open mind as to whether it exists or not.
Also, since it looks like Kristen Stewart probably cheated on her last girlfriend — uh, that’s treating a woman far worse than saying something unkind about her. I was on her side for a while, I thought she was just young and stupid, and she was piled on in some sexist ways. But I’m done with her.
No, I just apply the same standards to women that I apply to men. Not fair to hold men high standard of behaviour and then let women do what they want because they’re women, or what they’re doing is “empowering” (which I put in quotes b/c quite often it’s really just being a jerk)? No. I don’t care if you’re gay or not either. Just don’t be a jerk. How hard is that?
Why does she assume only women judged her? Women are very hard on each other, but men, including gay men are hard on women too, vicious even.
What is Woody Allen talking about? There is nothing about her looks or personality that screams vintage movie star. She wouldn’t have had a chance back then. Charlize Theron would have, but Kristen Stewart? She doesn’t have the looks or charisma of those old stars.
I give her props for her open bitchiness, but how does she have a career after the Snow White scandal? Insane.