One of the big things annoying me about Taylor Swift and her defenders is the shifting goalposts arguments being made about Kanye West’s “Famous.” Travel in the way-back machine and join me for the initial statement Taylor’s spokesperson made to media outlets in February:
“Kanye did not call for approval, but to ask Taylor to release his single ‘Famous’ on her Twitter account. She declined and cautioned him about releasing a song with such a strong misogynistic message. Taylor was never made aware of the actual lyric, ‘I made that bitch famous.’”
So, she was blatantly lying about Kanye calling for approval, which he did. She misrepresented the hour-long conversation as a quickie request for Taylor to promote his music. She lied about “cautioning” him. And then in her Grammy speech, she doubled-down on the lies, making it all about how Kanye was trying to “take credit” for her fame. Except that as we now know from the Snapchat-leaked video, she knew about the complete context of the lyric because: she said to Kanye, “It’s awesome that you’re so outspoken about this and be like, ‘Yeah, she does. It made her famous.’ Its more provocative to say ‘might still have sex…’ It’s doesn’t matter to me. There’s not like one [line] that hurts my feelings and one that doesn’t.”
So once she was caught lying and misrepresenting, Taylor shifted the goalposts, and many of her fans did as well. Suddenly, it was about the word “bitch.” Suddenly THAT was the biggest issue, the issue she had always been talking about. Really? And now she’s daring Kanye and Kim – via “sources” to TMZ – to release the entire video.
Taylor Swift is not waving the white flag in her war with Kanye West over the secret audio recording … our Taylor sources say she may still file a police report because she says Kanye committed a felony. As we reported, Kanye had Taylor on speaker when he recorded her as they spoke about his song “Famous,” and there were clear voices in the room from the camera crew as well as producer Rick Rubin … as such, they could all overhear the conversation so the law does not prohibit the recording.
But Taylor sources say she had NO IDEA Kanye had her on speaker. Although she could hear other voices she assumed they could not hear her, so she believes Kanye had a legal duty to ask permission to record her, and by not doing so he violated the criminal law. Taylor is still deciding whether she’ll file a police report.
What’s more … we’re told Taylor wants them to bring it on … the call lasted a full hour and Kim was very selective in what she posted. Taylor wants the entire conversation released, because our sources say she wants everyone to hear Kanye never said he’d call her a “bitch” in the song.
We’re told she’s also upset Kanye made the song sound lighthearted, when in fact it’s mean-spirited. Taylor’s rep says Kanye never asked Taylor for approval — which the tape proves — but she believes he was deceptive.
On the call … Kanye promises to send her an advance copy of the song, which he did not do. Our Taylor sources say Kanye knew if she heard it before it was released, she’d pitch a fit.
Bless the shifting goalposts. It feels like Taylor’s PR is in panic mode, trying to make ANY argument that might stick. Remember when she had no idea about the song? Yeah. Remember when she cautioned him about misogyny? Yeah. Now she admits it was an hour-long conversation, and they spoke at length about the context of the song, and OMG Kanye withheld vital information about the word “bitch” and that was the lynchpin of the whole beef!! I hope Kim and Kanye DO release the whole conversation, because I bet after they do release it, suddenly Taylor will have a whole new argument about why Kanye is a big, black meanie trying to hurt a poor innocent blonde child.
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Of course she does, she’s still trying to front her way out of this the only way a professional victim can. – by continuing to find ways to paint herself as the victim of the mean bullies. She forgets who shes trying to bluff, the girl with all the receipts. Thou I want to see the whole video as well.
Kim K may be famous for a big mass and a sex tape but the she is anything but dumb. MayTag is being g outsmarted and out maneuvered and she really needs to just shut up and slink away. I wonder if Hiddleston has realized yet that he is the equivalent of a red shirt on Star Trek – expendable and not worth trying to save.
Kim is as big a fraud as Taylor Swift. That whole marriage to Kris Humphries was fake. She had him do over scenes when he asked her to marry him and did more fake scenes with her mom telling her about how the marriage wasn’t working, etc, if I remember correctly. She was so afraid Humphries was going to out her and when she got pregnant the first time, I think she was insinuating that she was having a difficult pregnancy because of all the stress with the divorce and law suit. I think that was why Humphries finally gave in as a matter of fact.
@Dee Dee, I’m not a Kardashian fan and I’m not defending Kim K. I’m simply stating that Taylor has been out flanked by Kim K. I recommend that you quit defending Taylor and see this at the giant game of Sratego that it is and enjoy the back and forth.
I could’ve sworn Taylor’s team released a statement saying her and Kanye never spoke on the phone..she keeps switching her story up..just take that loss Taylor you should’ve never set Kanye up..she literally agreed to acknowledge that she knew about the song..then when the song released all of a sudden “she just doesn’t know why Kanye won’t leave her alone”…at the end of the day Taylor’s pissed because her “innocent little blonde girl” shtick was pulled from under her..now she has no gimmick to fall back on.
Honestly – I think saying the call never happened at all came out of “he didn’t call for approval”. It was assumed that that meant he never called at all. Not sure, but I think that’s what people took from it, and that spread.
@Erinn – She did release a statement denying a call happened, she then changed her tune when Kim’s GQ article came out where she (Kim) said that she had video evidence to prove the call took place and thats where the ‘he didn’t call from approval’ line came from. Tayliar and her team have whitewashed that part out of the media.
Thanks, Betti!
There’s been so many posts at this point, that it’s all getting fuzzy.
Since when does Taylor get to approve any and all songs that mention her? He did her a massive favor by calling her and giving her a head’s up, regardless of whether he told her about every syllable of the song, which I’m sure was still being changed up until the second it was finally recorded. She was upset that it was mean spirited rather than lighthearted? PUH-lease taylor swift, like you have EVER called one of the 70 people you’ve sh$t-talked in your songs to give them the heads up that you are dragging them in a meanspirited song. She’s an unbelievable hypocrite.
She JUST did this with HArris-agreeing to keep her songwriting off the books, until it was supposedly his quote in the interview that they never discussed it or something that made her go off the rails and leak that she had in fact collaborated on the song with him. If someone pisses her off in the slightest, no matter what for or what previous arrangement she has with them, she tries to throw them under the bus in a vindictive frenzy. She’s the worst. In addition to being talentless, (she cannot sing and she writes idiotic juvenile lyrics like a 7 year old) she’s a brat.
I bet Selena could tell some stories about her machinations.
She gets her panties in a twist over two lines in a song while she writes WHOLE songs slandering people without their permission. Her entitled princess tantrum makes me nauseated.
Erinn was correct the first time & this article re-posted the quote from Feb (before KK’s GQ article) that he didn’t call for approval. They picked their words wisely and she did say that he called her. But she said that he called about her releasing the song & she said no.
This is reaaaaal tricky for her because I doubt she remembers 100% of the conversation (who would? It was a convo with an acquaintance that happened months ago). What if they do release it and it turns out he did say the full line on the phone?
Regardless, she pretty much told him “it’s all ok, you don’t even have to ask me, thanks for the respectful call, make your own artistic decisions”
i also dont really understand that. it could backfire. no one remembers a full hour long call.
if she remembers something they talked about and wants that released because it would help her and make Kanye and Kim look bad, why not adress that from the beginning? as the post said, its moving goalposts.
all i can think is thats its meant to be refused by Kim and Kanye and that then will be used to say “see!”
So sick of her. Girl, you lost….bye.
I think Taylor is doubling down with the demand K&K release the whole tape, and I think its a big mistake. She’s assuming Kim edited the tape down so much because there is something there they don’t want released. So either K&K release it, giving her some ammunition, or they refuse which bolsters Taylor’s argument. But I wouldn’t take that gamble. Kim has already shown she knows how to hold her cards close to the chest on this one. Taylor shouldn’t be so confident the worst is over.
youre right – im still on her side cuz I think she gave an inch and he took a mile . but then he had to get a ‘bitch’-slap in there too…. so she can be mad if she wants. don’t change nuthin.
Her Grammy speech was w-a-y over the top and transparent, but Kanye West is the Donald Trump of the music industry.
If anyone wants to see how Taylor plays victim this is exactly it. Instead of owning how she lied she’s spinning the story to a different narrative yet again.
And I’m not sure how she didn’t think the others could here her because I’m pretty sure she talked TO other people in the room.
Dear Taylor you’re full of it.
it sure is coming at her from all sides! Between Kim/Kanye with their video and Calvin with his cheating accusations, she might as well just take a break. She said herself in the call that she is verging on over exposure.
And to think this was BEFORE she invited the paps on her new fauxmance rollout!
@alex I think this is precisely WHY she invited the paps on her fauxmance oddessy. Everyone loves love, right?
She rolled out the RI pap shots the day before Kim’s GQ article hit newsstands. The timing wasn’t coincidental.
The distraction worked for a few weeks until Tom had to go back to work and Calvin filled the void with his rants. Kim took that golden opportunity to post the snapchats on the heels of her bad press and got maximum exposure.
That would require admiting she was wrong and apologize to Kanye, which will flip the script on the crap she said about him at the Grammys. And she will never do that.
Lol oh I know. I’m not holding my breathe for any TS accountability that would make her an adult. and she’s mentally a child
From what we’ve heard so far, this really seems like a massive misunderstanding between Kanye and Taylor. In what we’ve heard of the call, neither one seems to have evil intent. Taylor was awkward in dealing with her reservations and was hurt by the final version because the effect was different than she anticipated. Kanye was just being Kanye. Not sure if her little speech was directed just at Kanye, though, despite the fact that he’s been singing the “I made her famous” tune for years. It might as well have been directed at her ex (the one she gave a hit song to under a pseudonym and who acted in an interview as though the whole idea of collaborating with her was preposterous). She was pretty focused on the idea of other people trying to take credit for your success and being dismissive of your own hard work, not anything about bad language. She should have resisted the urge, but I really don’t think this was all an evil plot to throw Kanye under the bus. She felt hurt and reacted emotionally rather than thinking it through. Kanye certainly does that often enough himself. Good grief, they could be twinsies in that respect.
Jwoolman…YES!! I agreed with a comment you made the other night also. It was about her not sounding “flattered” and loving everything on that recording. I said something very similar the day that was making the headlines. What are you supposed to say to a maniac that you know will explode if you tell him “no”? You just play along!
What’s weird to me is… has she even directly addressed how creepy/inappropriate that ‘Famous’ music video is?
If it turns out Kim has video of Taylor approving of the video’s concept… YIKES.
At what point does this become navel gazing by two narcissists?
Didn’t it pass that stage already?
I can’t–but I guess I can–believe this story has gone on this long. I mean, OMG. Seriously? It was sort of funny but also really trivial. It’s not even that juicy! I want some juice! We need those old-timey gossip stories to pop up every now and then again. They were juicy, oh boy were they juicy!
I think the story is juicy in the sense of exposing how Taylor’s PR works.
The whole thing was juicy when it came out, and I’m still mildly interested, but it strikes me as the sort of “feud” that is going to last way longer than it should.
A la Paris and Nicole.
Except that was sad, they were genuinely great friends and both are more amusing together.
I agree. There is nothing to see here. It’s like a big car crash and you drive up and there is just a girl with a bloody nose- nothing to see.
I think that this site is making this into a bigger deal then it is and they took it from 0-60 in 5 seconds but now it’s burning out.
Why did she get herself into this mess? I’m baffled that someone as shrewd as she is lied for reasons that weren’t going to be beneficial to her in the long run!
Because she is arrogant enough to believe no one would ever think bad about her.
And that no one would believe Kim and Kanye because they (well, Kanye) aren’t “perfect victims.”
This is the main question for me too. Is her ego so huge she truly thought she could suppress/lean on _Kanye and Kim_ to protect her series (!) of lies against them?
However, from the backchannel angle, I wonder if she isn’t serving as a warning to many people in the biz not too get tangled up, especially in a friendly way, with this family. Taylor is so screwed right now, her people cannot even reach out very quietly and politely to K&K to ask to see the recording without risking even that becoming gossip page fodder. These two don’t respect the backchannel way a lot of this stuff gets dealt with, and I actually think it could hurt them long run.
@livvers I can’t stand Kimye, but to be fair, it sounds like they did try to deal with it privately. At least according to this article, Kanye tried to call her after the song came out, but she refused the call.
She not serving any warnings and this will not hurt Kim or Kanye one bit. People already know what the Kardashian/Kanye are about this is nothing new.
@Goldie. Good point, one that I hadn’t taken in. It just brings home even more how foolish Taylor and her team were in this situation. I understand she may have been embarrassed by the exposure post-release, but she needed to suck it up for a moment and take that call. Taylor should have realized she was the only one with anything to lose after the song was released, and seen that for once in her life she was the one who needed to be conciliatory. The worst that could be said of Kanye was already out in the open (the lyrics), while she had decided to hang her entire public persona on her lies and misrepresentations.
Even if in this situation I am inaccurate, I still think this reaffirms to people in the business, ‘don’t tickle the sleeping dragon.’ While Kanye might have a genuinely forgiving nature, I don’t think his inlaws do, and if I were an image-conscious celeb, my first thought in any interaction with Kanye and the K’s would be, “anything you say or do can and might be used against you in the court of public opinion”.
I think she’s not as smart as people think she is. She has a very good management team behind her and they make the business decisions.
She also likes to be in control and won’t own up to her mistakes, instead blaming them on others. All characteristic of a narcissist.
A good management team and parents who never said no to her.
Her parents moved from PA to Nashville so she’d go into country music. She’s not the girl who was on a Christmas tree farm that she likes telling. Her parents are investment bankers who are filthy rich and bought a record company for her. That’s the musical equivalent of a vanity publisher in the literary industry.
I’m side-eyeing TS’s parents a lot for this evidently.
Well whenever a kid is never told no and is always rewarded for lying…I imagine eventually she grows up to believe she’s untouchable and nothing can ever make her sand castle crumble.
Enter Kim and Kanye.
This.^^ Taylor is an arrogant, entitled narcissist who got caught red handed at lying and being two-faced. Sorry, but no matter how horrible Kimye might be, recording that speakerphone call without Taylor knowing meant we got to see her unguarded. The deception revealed what others have warned us about but we never had proof, until now.
The biggest revelation about Taylor from that video is not that she lied, but that we get to see her thinking out loud about her media strategy at the Grammys. We see that she is in control of her own image management and constantly thinking about how to spin events the way she wants them perceived.
@Bonzo, “The biggest revelation about Taylor from that video is not that she lied, but that we get to see her thinking out loud about her media strategy at the Grammys. We see that she is in control of her own image management and constantly thinking about how to spin events the way she wants them perceived.”
I noticed that too. I’m surprised not more people are talking about THAT.
Me too Jammy. Hearing Taylor’s thought processes regarding the media was incredible insight into how she operates.
The other thing it showed us is how well she knows her stats and likes to remind people of her popularity. Telling Kanye that she had 2.7 mill IG likes on the picture of the flowers he sent to knowing that she’d sold 7 mill albums before the VMAs brouhaha made her even more famous to reminding the audience at the Grammys that she was the only woman to win Album of the Year twice. You can bet that any humility she projects is absolutely false.
She’s incredibly calculating and fake. That said, Kanye is a disgusting pig. Depicting her naked without her permission is on another level of violation different to calling her a b***h in a song. I find both actions pretty disgusting. This whole PR mess just shows how most A-List celebs have insatiable egos and self image obsession.
I agree. That depiction of her naked was even worse than the misogynistic lyrics that she consented to.
I think she thought she could write the narrative and so she did
She had a podium and an opportunity to drag him and so she did
She maybe didn’t have a 100% memory of what she had said to him – the convo did last for 60+ mins and hoped that he also didn’t
She knew she could claim whatever she wanted and it was her word against his
So she did
Except it wasn’t…..so she keeps changing her point of focus over her issues to try to justify her behaviour
great tea
Because she’s been doing it for so long and the media and her fans believe her. Too much of girl who cried wolf. Also, because her victims never publicly countered her accusations until Calvin Harris went off on her. Well eventually, the public would catch on and they did!
Please kid shut up you get caught lying recognise your mistake & move on stop insisting about the word bitch
her ego can’t
100%
She should start doing charity appeareances in hospitals and stuff like that, or disappear for a while and stop talking about this. It’s getting worse and worse.
The charity and hospital appearances will be transparent and not help her, I think.
She has been laying low for nearly a week, which is the next best thing to apologizing (which we know she’ll never do).
I bet Kim and Kanye were expecting Taylor Swift to say something like that. The whole video will be shown shortly and don’t be surprised if they also get an expert to confirm it was not altered. The Kardashians are many things but they are not stupid. They have ( pardon the pun) covered their asses
I’m sure E already has the very special episode of keeping up with the kardasians in the can. Just waiting for the word go.
I had heard that ‘Keeping up with…’ had their lowest ratings lately and that’s why we’re getting this now
Supposedly ratings were low last year, which is when the Caitlyn storyline ended their season.
Given the thirst for storylines, attention, etc., that both K&K exhibit, why did she talk at such length? I was imagining a very brief call, not the lengthy exchange that has already been shown to us.
I don’t see why Swift asking for the whole phone call to be posted means anything except she is not afraid of what it will reveal. I think it’s a stretch to assume that she is counting on Kim not posting it if enough people start asking for it. It is certainly a reasonable request. Why not post the whole thing?
kim needs to post the entire thing. Unedited. I think Taylor agreed to the song but i think the problem started when she actually heard the context of the song and than the video came out. I would be made if kanye did that to me. Taylors mistake was answering the phone from Kanye to start with and listening to everyone who told her she should be forgiving of him after what he did to her at the awards show. She should have stayed completely away from him and his trash wife.
I really want 2k16 to make up for all of its heart breaking celebrity deaths by using the rest of the year to expose asshole celebrities of their bigotry and manipulation.
Please, please let Jennifer Lawrence be next. She also benefits from the infantilization that white women receive in the media. She is never held accountable for the many offensive things she says and does. She even took a page from the Taylor playbook and donated a big cheque to a hospital when she was getting (mild!) heat over her outburst at the Globes.
Pretty sure no one infantile JLaw and she’s been roasted before so your point doesn’t hold
Oh please, she has not been publicly roasted for 99% of the offensive things she does. The only “big” public call out for her behavior was after the Golden Globes and that lasted about 3 days.
And she is infantile’d* daily. Anytime anyone criticises her, there is always an army of stans and middle aged men riding in to save her with excuses like “She’s only 22-23-24-25! She doesn’t know what she’s saying!” She and Taylor play the game VERY WELL.
*by the way, infantile is an adjective not a verb
Peace!
Idk but maybe it’s because jlaw knows to go away when she’s not promoting something? Or maybe it’s because she doesn’t have spats with half of the entertainment industry? Or maybe it’s because she doesn’t use her relationship to promote her career? Or maybe it’s because she was never caught on tape lying about something?
“She even took a page from the Taylor playbook and donated a big cheque to a hospital when she was getting mild heat”
Wow, just wow. So someone donates 2 million dollars to a children’s hospital yet your bitter a*s somehow finds a way to tear that person down? Of all the asshole celebs to “tear down”, you pick Jlaw who is the most vanilla, bland person in Hollywood?
You want her to be “taken down” because she is good at the PR game, is that it? I mean god forbid a woman actually play the Hollywood game and care about her image in the media. How dare that b*tch! She should know her place!
Cray tay is despicable.
I always believed Kim’s version. I still think that Kanye is a disgusting mysogonist for the content of his video which not only features Taylor but Rihanna and Chris Brown and Bill Cosby naked and in bed together. I think Taylor needs to just go away for now stay in Australia or sit in one of her mansions somewhere. Just stop feeding this monster and stop making these awful people look good by leaking. Back away slowly girl.
It really bothers me that people keep calling Kanye a “monster.” He is not a monster. He is an entertainer with a huge ego and probably some mental health issues to work through (just like tons of white entertainers who don’t get dragged nearly as badly as he does).
The whole monster trope is all part of the Team Taylor’s dog whistle campaign. If you want to think he’s a disgusting mysogonist, fine. But a monster? That’s getting into some questionable territory.
I mean, let’s say that Blake Shelton got drunk and did the same thing to Taylor 7 years ago abd the VMAs — would people still be agog? No, no they wouldn’t. Sure, people will say they would, because (hard truth coming up), most of us think we’re better people than we actually are. Humans often lack the self-awareness to realize that they DO harbor deep-seeded double standards that ARE based on race. Kinda reminds me of this article I happened across recently:
http://www.theroot.com/blog/the-grapevine/here_are_a_bunch_of_things_white_people_can_do_that_black_people_probably/
Wait a minute I said stop feeding
‘ the monster’ which isn’t necessarily Kanye but the whole situation the TMZ, People, Kardashian gossip war. He isn’t a monster but he still is a mysogonist.
Taylor can be an ass. Kanye can be an ass. It’s not some mutually exclusive thing.
Kanye’s treatment of women, his feuds with everyone and anyone, his tendency to go on ridiculous sounding rants – that’s not all dependent on Swift.
Her ego, idiotic statements, feuds with exes, over-sensitivity about herself, and obsessive branding are not dependent on Yeezus.
They were both this way before they started feuding. Some of the criticism IS racist. I’m not going to argue that. But not EVERY criticism is based in that – I like some of Kanye’s music. Some of his rants amuse the hell out of me. But I don’t like the way he treats women – these were my feelings before their feud. As of late – I’m starting to really rethink my position on Swift. I like some of HER songs, and I think she does a lot of good things for fans. But she’s so micromanaging and tiring that she can’t let anything slide that she’s willing to throw people under the bus. It’s gross.
Erinn, so, are you trying to say that calling Kanye a “monster” isn’t dog whistle shade? Or, to be more precise, injecting “Monster” when talking about Kanye, even if you’re not directly calling him a monster, isn’t dog whistle shade? It is. Now, does everyone realize that they’re parroting coded bullshit? No. Regardless, it still has the same effect.
It reminds of the VEEP episode when Selina attaches the word “torture” to Danny Chung, by repeatedly insisting that he never tortured anybody.
Mytake I didn’t call him a monster. As a black woman (and I know being black doesn’t prevent me from holding racist views but I’m still proud of being who I am and I want that to be clear) and a feminist I think it’s despicable to twist my words into being racist just to suit your personal beliefs. And I notice you still can’t address his mysogony .
But – nobody called him a monster. I don’t understand why you’re putting words in my mouth.
Yes – if someone is calling Kanye a monster while saying someone who does the same crap isn’t one – that’s 100% an issue.
But Luca was referring to the PR machines/media, and my post was literally stating that Kanye CAN be an ass, regardless of Taylor ALSO being an ass. I’m calling BOTH people out for poor behavior. If I were calling ONLY Kanye out for being an ass, I could see where you’re trying to go with this.
Just because there ARE racial issues in the way that this story is being presented, does not mean that Kanye can be clear from ANY criticism ever. It doesn’t mean that he doesn’t ALSO hold misogynistic views that he’s expressed years before any of this. I’m allowed to believe that some of the news outlets, and comments are steeped in racism – AND that Kanye is also misogynistic, egocentric, and can still be called out for those things as long as it’s done fairly. Again – not mutually exclusive. He can be a victim of this AND an offender in other aspects of his life.
Thank you Erinn I completely agree with you. More than one thing can be true at the same time.
This whole thing isn’t about kanye being and awful person or not. People who are saying Taylor lied and manipulated the narrative aren’t absolving him from his misogynistic lyrics or horrible tweets. They are simply saying that she lied and manipulated the situation to her benefit at his expense. And i speak as someone who defended Taylor when this thing originally went down.
Why don’t we hold Taylor to the same standards as everyone else? She has written misogynistic lyrics herself, she has her team play out a racist narrative to take down her a fellow musician who happens to be black. That qualifies as a pretty ” awful” person too in my book.
What we can agree on is they are all essentially attention seekers extraordinaire who thrive on this type of drama. All of them.
@Erinn,
Maybe I should be more direct. While I understand that YOU didn’t directly CALL Kanye a monster, your pairing of that word, in a comment about Kanye, does what the a-holes want. They want to tie “monster” to “Kanye”.
Again, I bring up the brilliant Veep episode that addressed this marketing phenomenon / reality.
https://whatelseisonnow.com/2014/04/30/a-look-at-veep-season-3-episode-4-clovis/
Mytake I always use the expression ”feeding the monster” about many things and it always applies to a situation rather than a person. ”Feeding the monster/stroking the dragon”, etc. It means stop throwing gasoline on the fire. I use both expressions all the time and it’s never anything to do with a person. it’s about a situation getting out of control. Luca76 seems to be clearly using it in that context and it perfectly describes the media frenzy and the story gathering speed & Taylor shooting herself in her own foot and making such a big mess out of it. It’s also funny that it’s taken two Narcissists (Kimye) to expose the other Narcissist (Taytay), maybe they can recognise then trap their own kind 🙂
😂😂😂recognizing and trapping their own kind. Love this, I even got a visual! My day is made, the k you Mspanda
haha Aw you’re welcome Dlo! 🙂
Please see my response above. I get it. People use the idiom, but by using it, in this situation, you’re doing what the a-holes want you to do. (Gah, I never thought it would be this hard to explain….)
Taylor needs to sit down. She and her team keeps lying and twisting the truth. They don’t seem to get that’s doing more damage than anything.
In addition to all the great points above, lets always remember that Taylor herself would never seek permission to sing about somebody else. Lets never forget that she has built a career off talking smack about others. But here she is, being given the benefit of a consultation, giving an enthusiastic go ahead “speak your truth” and then bashing him for doing just that.
That is an excellent point! This is really a pot kettle black situation.
She tried to set him up. Because that’s the type of manipulative, evil witch she is. She deliberately pretended it was fine and then feigned ignorance and abuse in order to advance her narrative. But she didn’t realize it would be more than he-said-she-said and instead it would be what he said AND what she said that proved her sadistic machinations.
–TheRealPinky
Precisely. Let’s ask John Mayer if she called to ask permission to write a song that blantatly painted him as a dark, twisted, manipulative asshole. Let’s ask the boyfriend she wrote about if she called him to ask if she could sing “go ahead and tell your friends that I’m obsessive and crazy, that’s fine I’ll tell mine you’re gay.” I could go on for days. She needs to put on her big girl panties and take a damn seat already. She’s been outplayed.
Yes this is the point!
Exactly! I came across this amazing post the other day and thought I’d share as it sums her up to a T
http://idly.craveonline.com/2016/07/taylor-swift-kim-kardashian-famous-twitter-kanye/#/slide/1
I really hate that people keep making points about that as though she is the only person to write songs about exes. Do you crap on Adele for writing 3 whole albums about relationships? Do you crap on Ed Sheeran, Bruno Mars, Beyonce, Katy Perry, Lady Gaga etc? No. Then shut up.
Tons of musicians/songwriters write about past/current loves. It doesn’t mean that they dont suddenly have a right to be offended when someone says something mean about them or doesnt ask them permission to do something.
Taylor, no doubt effed up. But ffs can we move past the fact that she wrote songs about her ex boyfriends?
Those other people don’t use liner notes telling us who the ex is. I know Adele had an ex — I have no idea who he actually is though.
@perplexed – You’re So Vain’s subject (or subjects) remained unknown for decades.
Did Adele slyly endorse that those songs were about so and so? That was the point. Taytanic wrote the songs, gave enough bird crumbs to let you know who EXACTLY that person was (Jake, John, etc). I don’t even know who Adele was singing about. of course it’s about a real person but she doesn’t go around to the press and say, yeah, I was singing about so and so.
But Taylor doesn’t either. Some of her more earlier songs she mentions names, but she hasn’t in years actually named names in her songs. And she doesn’t do interviews where she says who the songs are about. Even in the “secret messages” of her lyrics, she still doesn’t say. Its the media/fans that speculate who the songs are about.
You don’t know who Adele dated, because she doesn’t have any high profile romances.
Of all the things she’s criticized for, her blind item songs about her exes isn’t offensive to me.
Why does Taylor have to care so much about the exact content of the tape anyway? If you were recorded without knowing it just file the police report already, what is there to be undecided about? Let Kim and Kanye say what they want, they have their fans, you have yours.
Go take care of your precious Hiddles, write songs about Calvin, bury Katy that you hate so much, go for your pap strolls, visit children in the hospital.
I don’t understand what Taylor has to be so unhappy about? She has her squad on her side – Karlie Kloss, Gigi Hadid, Lily Aldridge, Lena Dunham they didn’t jump ship. Is she still not satisfied?
She wants the whole world on her side. Anything less than what she had before is a huge blow to her ego.
I’m pretty sure any legal proceeding (civil or criminal action) would cause the tape to become evidence and possibly subject to public disclosure. Tay’s team is in a position where if they want to manage this story going forward, they need to decide if they are not actually safer with this recording in the hands of the Kardashians rather than the courts.
Anyone else would look at the bank account, the new BF, count blessings, and move on to write more art.
Tay Tay is a raging narcissist. She *cannot* do that. Her image is everything she has. I also don’t think she is much of an artist or gets any pleasure just from making art– everything she has made depends upon her precious brand, which has been blown to smithereens, and the only thing that gives her pleasure is praise and attention from others. And even that is fleeting. Hence the need for more drama, more attention.
Text book case, guys.
*stands & claps*
If they do release the video, and it turns out he said the line will she lose all her fans then? Because the people who don’t like her/have common sense/don’t play victim for a living are already side-eyeing her, and a new video of mostly the same stuff won’t change that. If the video is released and Swift and fans find a new way to spin it, then honestly Kim and Kanye shouldn’t waste their time. The story is getting old, and if people still want to look up to Taylor after everything she’s done that’s on them. Can’t fix stupid.
Honestly, I don’t understand how she can be such a moron with this. I know I’ve defended her a lot – but it’s getting old. I honestly can’t think of a single thing in the video that would make her look better in this one. The only thing I can think of that she’d want shown is if the call started with him asking about her releasing the song on her social media or whatever they claimed it was about, and if she said that she doesn’t like the misogyny around the b**** part.
But even then – that doesn’t negate the rest of the call. So god knows. This whole thing is baffling – for someone who has managed her PR pretty well over the years, it’s as if she’s completely new to the game.
She’s being skewered based on a tiny portion of the call issued in dribs and drabs along with Kim’s interpretation of it all. If I were her, I would rather people heard the whole thing also, especially if there was something on it that corroborated anything I had claimed about the call or if the full context put a very different interpretation on it. I’m baffled that this request is seen as malevolent. How can people be so sure she lied about this particular event when they haven’t heard the whole thing? Are they mindreaders?
I would still like the music she has released, but I dunno whether I would support her future endevours or not. I guess it depends on how she would handle the situation.
But, I do believe there is more to this story than what Kim/Kanye are letting on. Its always seemed fishy to me that they released the video the way they did. Plus, maybe its just my optimism, but I can’t believe that Taylor would be THAT BIG if an idiot to continue lying at this point.
When you are in a hole, stop digging. Swift strikes me as someone who always has to have the last word, as evidenced by her burning ex friends and lovers in her song writing after a fall out.
Maybe this time her hubris will come back to bite her on the ars* at long last, but she really should shut up now.
Oh yeah and she should tell her “supporters” to apologise for offensive and racially loaded tweets, then she might get some respect from people other than her mad fans and her squad. Her “victimhood” is really beginning to get boring.
She is one of those overachievers who cannot accept losing. It’s not that serious, her fans don’t care and will still worship her and buy whatever she puts out. Her detractors already felt some type of way about her and feel justified. Just own it. You lied and threw the wrong person under the bus and got beat at your own game. If she was a normal human being she would apologize. Yes, Kanye and the Kardashian/Jenners are not pleasant and have said and done a lot of things and I don’t know why they still exist, but what Taylor did was shady as f*ck. Just because you don’t like them doesn’t mean that they aren’t in the right (more or less) this time.
wasn’t yesterday it was discussed that she could’ve won (or at least build a legitimate case against Kanye) in court?
they could subpoena for the tape etc couldn’t they? then it wouldn’t have to be a public brawl like this?
everything could have been settled away from the public eye. even with the ever-seeing TMZ hovering above them.
i blame on insta-culture and oversharing where everything needs a tweet and a snap.
not everything has to be done in the public eye, tbh.
Tayliar is turning it into a public brawl as she can’t go down the legal route – if she could she would have done so before now and would have used the law to stop Kim releasing anything. Remember Kim mentioned the footage in a GQ interview a few months ago and that she’d already received a letter from Taylor’s team demanding it be destroyed. Taylor has known for a while that it existed and her legal team have been unable to shut it down. Her legal blustering to TMZ is just that, blustering.
Am waiting for Kim to release that letter – which will again show Taylor to be a liar as she is saying she knew nothing about the footage.
I mean, obviously there is still a chance that she is calling their bluff and that they’re going to look silly, but I still don’t see it.
I just don’t see it. Everything I know about the Kardashians tells me that this was examined from every possible angle legally and that there is no way they would have made this move without being pretty confident that they had the winning hand. If nothing else, Kanye should be thanking his wife and her family for their cut throat business savvy concerning their brand in this situation-I think left to his own devices, he would have acted foolishly and impulsively and she would have gone on being the lily white victim
She should have just walked away from this because ultimately it doesn’t matter about the word “bitch”, which is just painfully obvious straw grasping-the damage has already been done to her credibility and the more she digs in, the worse it looks. I’m sure in her mind and in the mind of her fans, she is still the delicate flower fighting off the haters, but to most everyone else, the chickens have come to roost and all the faux feminism, aw shucks wide eyed victimhood is finally out and exposed and it sounds like A LOT of people have been muzzled from talking about it for a very long time.
She’d get more respect if she just admitted defeat and moved on.
Won’t someone think of the children?! Geez people act like Taylor is some innocent teen.
Speaking of children loved how her BFF Abby decided to “pray” for north like a condescending a$$ and got dragged for it. That’s an actual child your friend is not. Please have a seat.
Team Taylor does not seem all that bright.
She’s a brilliant businesswoman when things are going well. But when there’s (almost always self-created) drama, she’s then some sweet young sheltered girl. It’s baffling, and the latter is quite sexist – it’s insulting to her to imply that a 26 year old grown woman is too fragile to face the consequences of a situation that she created.
@OhDear
I’ve noticed that narrative too, it really is pathetic. If your grown enough to play the game then your grown enough to accept the consequences of her actions.
Shifting goalposts is all she and her fans got.
This was totally manipulative on her part. This wasn’t, “Shoot I forgot that but it’s cool guys, let Kanye do his thing.” this was “it’s gonna be awesome because the media will be expecting me to freak out (you’re nothing if not known for your freak outs Taylor) and l’ll be there on the red carpet like ‘Guys I was in on it all along.’ ”
Whether she was trying to pay Kanye back one last time, suddenly terrified she couldn’t afford to lose her good girl image, or afraid people would rightfully ask her why her brand of feminism is so flimsy and ever-changing to suit her business status she intentionally misrepresented what happened and did so because she KNEW people would give her the benefit of the doubt before Kanye. Even I did, assuming that as petty as she was in relationships she was firm in her business deals. She was manipulative as hell banking that her reputation would shield her and the obviously crazy bad meanie Kanye and his loose wife would look like the liars. At any point she could have chosen to just ‘shake it off’ but instead she used it for her PR making sure to keep it to the forefront of her new narrative.
Now that it’s revealed how manipulative she is she has to find new ways to deny, to victimize herself, tbph Taylor doesn’t have a lot of room in her bag of tricks for a persona shift. Even with implants she’s not exactly transformed into a sexy singer, without ‘good girl’ much of the foundation of her business is gone.
I get the very bad feeling that enough people will forgive her if she cries about it in a TV interview or something. Her stans will be all “Aww, you guys made her cry! She’s so young, she didn’t mean it! And Kim & Kanye are meanies, anyway!”
I dont know who her manager is but her publicist works for the record company which is not that unusual for a music performer but doing these type * games * via record company sort of is – vs. hiring an entertainment public relations firm to do so. Madonna stayed with Liz Rosenberg at Warner Bros. through her career (Rosenberg may have retired now) but a Taylor Swift I would have thought would go to a p.r. firm. When you are a record company publicist, yeah, you can learn how to deftly maneuver these situations but it is not ingrained in your training as it is (now) at a p.r. firm for celebs. So that makes me wonder if really Taylor may not be getting so much as advice from the pr person but telling her what to do with some input. That being said, the publicist is in Nashville and they can be hard core there. (Sorry, but true.)
This situation reminds me of Caitlyn Jenner, when she came out as transgender and was suddenly the poster for acceptance. People were quick to exult that they forgot exactly who she really was.
Same here. People are so ready for Taylor to fall, and indeed she is guilty of lying and manipulating, they forget who Kanye, and Kim, really are.
This is a case of Taylor needing to be taken down for the things she has done, but woah, wrong wrong messengers.
+1
Tbh I think they were the perfect messengers.
Other people who have tried to talk about how she is get delt a cold hand professionally or publicly. Taylor’s online army is no joke and they have made it their mission to make a lot of people miserable for daring to speak a word against Taylor.
In the end people with goals who don’t want to get bogged down move on even if they hold major resentment towards her. Kim and Kanye don’t have that, they’re willing to roll in the mud and even with the letter from her lawyer held tight to the evidence and let her keep hanging herself with statements and allusions to how Kanye is so crazy and the phone call never happened. Then they leaked it consequences be damned because they knew image wise they didn’t have anything to lose.
It’s the hypocrisy I struggle with.
Taylor features far too prominently in Kanyes mind. He started a feud with her way back, for no reason other than he didn’t think she deserved her award.
She is in his stream of consciousness and it is creepy.
It’s not about having nothing to lose. It’s about his seeming obsession with Taylor. It’s strange snd unstable and just creepy he focused on this woman and went this far to prove something. It’s wrong.
No. If he’s obsessed with someone it’s Beyoncé he’s obsessed with. He did a similar thing when beck won album of the year 2015. He felt Beyoncé should have won.
1.5 years down the line no one talks about beck victimised by Kanye. Why? Because beck let it go, Taylor has been unable to let it go 7-8 years later at the Grammys she still holds that grudge. She has cast herself as the perpetual victim from That day onwards. She is as guilty as he is in keeping the feud alive.It could have been anyone winning that award all those years ago as long as it wasn’t Beyoncé he was going to go off, but if it had been anyone else then Taylor we would not still be talking about this.
Okay I understand where you’re coming from but this is ABOUT TAYLOR NOT KANYE AND KIM’S MISGIVINGS!!!! Taylor is a liar who lies about simple things like this, she is also VERY manipulative….. Who really cares about the messengers (I don’t like the Kimye’s) as long as people see her for who SHE REALLY IS!!! We all know how fake Kimye are so what??? Great deflection methods by the way…. loll
Excessive use of caps and exclamation points doesn’t make your post any more relevant. 😊
I don’t think it’s about deflection. It’s about how embarrassingly some of you are falling all over to hate Taylor for actions, that are the same actions that the Kardashians and Kanye are guilty of time and again. It just makes all of this look so stupid – they’re all lying, manipulative, delusional narcissists. There’s no winning side here. It’s celebrities of the same ilk.
@ original kay
I disagree no one has forgotten about how Kim/Kanye are. That doesn’t mean people can’t think they are right in this situation.
It’s hope you are right. I don’t think it’s true, as people in general turn on a dime, but I like your optimism.
People don’t turn that fast. Lol
On this site alone people have called Kim and family out on their BS and in the next post defend them and gone back to calling them out again. They do the samething with celebrities as well.
I don’t like any of the people in this situation, but if I feel that they are right I’m going to say so. That doesn’t mean I suddenly like them or have forgotten who they are.
All I can advise Taylor Shift is the same I would tell her soul mate Calvin.
LET. IT. GO.
You lost this one Ms. Shift. She thinks she can salvage her bs innocent victim act by continuing to dig. Oh and she still might file a police report. Stop saying it and do it then. Kanye’s not scared of you doll. You’r not fooling anyone. How about you sue him so his attorneys can put you on blast in a deposition and compare the entire hour phone call and all of your ‘thanks for letting me know. You didn’t have to ask me. Say whatever you want. I’m fine with it’ and compare it to your Grammy lie and your pr lies and bury yourself under oath even further. Have a seat Miss.
I am beginning to think TayTay is a classic narcissist. Everyone else is wrong; it’s all about her.
There irony is, if she hadn’t flaunted her questionable romance with Tom Hiddleston all over the world and not deliberately provoked Calvin re. the song credits, it’s likely most of this would not have happened. She’s brought all of it down on her own head through arrogance and a total lack of accountability.
She really is the one provoking her own fueds online, isn’t she? With the exception of the VMA interruption, which was a huge PR WIN for her, she is the one instigating the attacks publicly, leaving her victims either to hunker down or speak out.
I think it’s reasonable to presume she’s on the high end of the narcissism spectrum. No one can cross her without it being their fault and worthy of some sort of revenge.
And the high school drama continues….
All of these people at attention wh0re$, truth benders, and media manipulators. Not one of them is any different than the other. Well, that’s not entirely true; at least Taylor and Kanye have talent to fall back on.
Bottom line is this for me: If Taylor or Kanye put out music that is good, I’m going to listen to it. If it is bad, I won’t. The people they date/marry, the lies they tell about he-said/she-said, or how tight their kid’s hair is tied, isn’t going to change any of it.
If anything, the super-saturation of all things Kim/Kanye/Taylor, have exhausted me from wanted to bother even listening to their music in the first place.
I feel like a lot of the facts in the way this story has rolled out are being twisted by people discussing it on the web. That’s in great part due to Taylor’s multiple statements, but recently I feel like there is a lot of confusion over what this argument is about. It’s frustrating to read, because I feel like many articles around the web are missing the mark.
My take/understanding of it is this: Through a lie of omission (still a lie any way you spin it), she weirdly admitted that perhaps he discussed A LINE with her, but not the line she took issue with (“Taylor was never made aware of the actual lyric…”). The first line about sex, on its own, is offensive (to me), but can sort of be skewed as funny if it’s a parody-type song. Regardless of what I think, she seems to have taken it as a joke. But adding the second line, which she has consistently said she did not hear about, changes the context. There’s a difference between joking you might sleep with someone (poking fun at their former feud), and saying you might sleep with “that b*tch” because you made her famous…making it sound like she owes him that. It changes the context completely. And I understand if in hearing the song in its entirety, she’d be hurt and offended.
The blame still lies with her, because if he was deceptive about the nature of the song, no one would blame her for being upset, and she should just told the full story from the get-go. To call her acting like he’s giving her a friendly heads up, only to make a song that’s rather malicious, is wrong. Especially since it appeared as though for a while, they’d buried the hatchet.
But this issue isn’t, and was never, about getting approval from Taylor. Kanye doesn’t owe her that, and she states clearly in that recording that she doesn’t think she is owed, either. That’s not the debate here. My understanding is that Kanye messed up by leading her to believe the song was different from what it actually was, and she messed up by condemning him publicly for the whole song in an over-the-top way, providing lies of omission along the way for absolutely no reason, instead of simply explaining what happened and why she felt blindsided. He shouldn’t have done that to her, but her Grammy speech was a huge mistake, and that’s where I believe all this is stemming from. She had an emotional, public reaction to feeling hurt, and caused a huge mess in the process. Her hurt over the song isn’t really the issue, either—it’s the way she justified her hurt by covering aspects of their conversation up along the way, rather than just admitting what actually happened. This didn’t need to be a big deal, and she turned it into one. People WOULD’VE sided with her if she presented things more factually, instead of trying to smear him.
I’m Team Everyone Shut Up & Go Away, as lovely Lilac first said. Both parties messed up and should really just move on at this point.
She did not “she weirdly admitted that perhaps he discussed A LINE with her,” she said point blank that she that never spoke to Kanye on the phone or discuss anything with Kanye. That was her first lie, the second lie was that she was affected in anyway by what he said in the song.
The facts of this story has not been twisted by people discussing it on the online.
Fact is Taylor keeps changing her story and that’s what’s being twisted. She forgets that not everyone is as easily manipulated as her fans, and remember her the first statement she made about this.
My point wasn’t intended to defend her in any way, but to point out that her PR strategy is lying by omission. He didn’t call her for “approval,” he called her to give her a heads up. She didn’t “approve” the song because she never heard the song. She never said she never heard the sex line, she said she didn’t hear the OTHER line. Her PR strategy is all about semantics in a way that is wildly deceptive. She tried to get cute with the wrong person.
She did give her approval and then said do what ever you want because and you didn’t need my approval anyway.
I don’t think the issue is approval though—she clearly doesn’t ask the people she writes about for approval, and didn’t ask Kanye, either. He (very kindly) gave her a heads up about his plans. I think the issue is more that he ended up adding to the lyrics they’d initially discussed, and then he turned around and said, “No, she loved my idea and even came up with part of it herself!” And that association with giving her blessing to such lyrics when she never actually saw them is her sticking point. Instead of owning up to the fact that she was fine with SOME of the lyrics and not others, she stupidly spun lies and made it more dramatic than this ever needed to be. And she continues to do so, when she should’ve just ignored it to begin with.
K.C. I agree with you. I think the online discussions are way out of control because everyone is taking gossip fodder and turning it into fact and then using it to support their own arguments and off topic biases against either party. Where does one read the “official statements” from Taylor Swift and her management team? The official statements and her statements on the phone conversation (which was edited by Kim K) are the only thing to go on at this point (not what gossip sites make up and grossly speculate) . I totally agree with your assessment, and your point about context of the two lines is everything. I also don’t like how people conveniently say someone is “playing the victim” when they don’t like them and someone is “victimized” when they do. We live in a world where force and abuse get the upper hand and both parties have an ability to choose whether or not they will be an empowering force in the world or an abusive force in the world. Only they know the truth.
i totally agree with you. they were being really nice to each other on the phone and he was giving her a lot of compliments and saying that they were friends but then the song came out and he calls her a bitch. Bitch might not mean to Kanye what it means to Taylor but I would imagine for Taylor it is not an endearing friendly thing to be called. She probably was caught off guard and hurt/embarrassed. HOWEVER, that doesn’t mean Kanye was the bad guy. She really reacted foolishly and in a very manipulative way to the media. She should have been honest and they both would have been fine. It seems to me that it was a misunderstanding that she tried to spin in a dishonest way.
EXACTLY. I don’t think Kanye was trying to be hurtful. But I think his song was more offensive than she initially understood it to be (she seems to have thought it was more of a joke than actually calling her out in the song), so the final product surprised her. She reacted to being taken aback in the totally wrong way, when she really should’ve just chalked it up to a misunderstanding. She’s allowed to be upset by what he did, but raking him over the coals wasn’t the answer. They came out of the conversation with different ideas, and she took that and turned it into something far more dramatic.
wow, you try really hard to seem like you don’t care but don’t want to accept that taylor swift basically gave kanye her blessing in the phone call and then dragged him later.
But…that’s exactly what she did. She did basically give her blessing and then drag him later. She needs to accept responsibility for the fact that she apparently misunderstood his intentions and approved it, and was later hurt by the end result. That is exactly what I’m saying—if she’d just be honest, this wouldn’t be a big deal. He didn’t deserve to be publicly blamed when he came away from that conversation thinking he could write whatever he wanted. He did what he thought was write, and clearly wasn’t trying to be hurtful. It was a misunderstanding on both sides that really could’ve been chalked up to an honest mistake on both ends. But she decided to blame him instead instead of accepting her own role in what happened.
I don’t think she was hurt as much as she has no other leg to stand on now that the tape is out. She keeps moving the goal post. Instead of owning up her mistakes she is still trying to twist things so that she can play the victim as always. She’s clearly incapable of ever admitting that she was wrong.
Can a true adult enter the picture and call ‘time out’ for all three (or four) children? Go to your rooms, kids!
This! Where are all the adults? 😊
Not that she’s exactly an adult, but I’ve been waiting for PMK to enter the fray, especially after the Nicole reference (since Nicole was supposedly her good friend). The first time I ever saw PMK was when she made the interview rounds after Nicole and Ron were slain.
I am tired of people not saying anything strongly worded or accurate.
Kanye: I f-ed up with her so I will forever look like an asshole as long as I deal with her (which I am free to not do)
Kim: I want to reap some benefits from this thing that has nothing to do with me and defend my ridiculous husband by releasing HIS phone calls because if he did it, he would still look the way he does – like a rabid dog not letting go of a zombie
Taylor: Yo, if someone called YOU to ask you if they could call you a “bitch” they made famous, what would YOU do? would YOU say “oh no, i don’t LOVE this” or would you say “go for it” and then let them have it, coz hey, i didn’t ask you to come up with this mess, and go defend it not by saying i OKed it, but by saying you MEANT it, which you are on RECORD now saying, you didn’t
Thank you. The vagueness of the whole thing is what makes this an utterly ridiculous mess. No one is being straightforward and that’s what is causing the entire issue. Say what you mean and mean what you say, everyone.
this might have already been discussed on another post, but…
“she said to Kanye, “It’s awesome that you’re so outspoken about this and be like, ‘Yeah, she does. It made her famous.’ Its more provocative to say ‘might still have sex…’ It’s doesn’t matter to me. There’s not like one [line] that hurts my feelings and one that doesn’t.””
doesn’t that sound like she heard both lines? “It made her famous” / “might still have sex” / “there’s not like one [line] that hurts my feelings and one that doesn’t.”
alternatively…maybe that’s what Kanye was talking about when he tweeted it was Taylor’s idea. maybe he took that “he made her famous” line and her basically saying “thanks for calling but use whatever you want” and went with it?
in sum, I have been way too involved in this “Gossip Christmas” and am slightly embarrassed 🙂
My guess is that he quite simply came away from the conversation thinking something different than she did. She essentially said nothing he wrote would hurt her, so then he seemingly continued to write other things after their talk that ended up, indeed, hurting her. She was too lax trying to play it cool and ended up feeling betrayed, but from his POV she said she wouldn’t take offense to anything he wrote.
She very obviously, clearly said she didn’t need to approve anything he wrote. No songwriter needs to ask for approval, and she knows this from her revenge-writing tendencies. My understanding is that the sticking point with her is that he said “Yeah, she was cool with everything, this was even her idea!” when the lyrics actually were rather offensive. I don’t think he meant her any ill-will, but I do think she felt deceived regardless. And she has handled it horribly ever since.
There may be a world of difference between Taylor Swift and Leann Rimes at present, but Swifty is treading dangerously close to LR territory with the constant industry battles and legal threats.
She’s a professional victim and a liar. He’s a POS bully.
I agree that she keeps shifting the goal post yet I also believe that context and completeness is everything. Release the whole damn tape then and let’s settle this in the court of public,opinion once and for all so we can all get back to things that really matter……….like are Jen and Ben getting back together or not.
The worst part is TS has played this whole thing wrong! I would have 100% ignored KW song of me in it. Then spun it about how I’m so cool and famous even the rappers love me! Ha! I would have joked about having street cred now! Kept it light hearted and such. She had the ability to actually ignore it and couldn’t…
I thought the same thing. None of this would have blown up if she ignored the whole thing but her ego can’t take it.
This is what I’ve been saying! If she had reacted the way she said she would – laughing it off and being in on it, or even being honest and saying she DID speak to him and give him the okay, but didn’t *love* the bitch line – she would have gained herself some serious brownie points. Literally everyone would have given her props for being so cool about it and “getting him as an artist” or something. And the tape would never have been seen. But like Kim said, she just could not resist the opportunity to drag someone and act like they had done her wrong. So, the Wests got sick of her shit (remember Kanye’s backstage rant where he called TS a fake ass?) and called her bluff. And I am loving every second of it.
You know what would be nice? If they both stepped away from this “feud” and let it die. Kanye and Taylor are both immature, egotistical, and attention-seeking fame-whores. Actually, they would make good friends and I wouldn’t be surprised if they did become friends later. They have a lot in common–they love making money; courting controversy/drama; they are over-sensitive when it comes to themselves, and insensitive to others; and all around very “extra”. And Kim is just as immature, egotistical, etc.. as both of them.
Her “beef” with Taylor is strategic. Kim wades into arguments and controversies only when it can make her look good–and never for the sole reason to defend someone who was wronged or defend an injustice–because she’s all about herself. Kim is the most passive aggressive, and I don’t respect her because she always plays both sides of everything. So it’s funny she hates that Taylor is like that. Everyone drags her sister Khloe and Kanye too, for speaking their mind, but you always know where they stand.
I also think Katy Perry is just as petty and immature, but she isn’t as egotistical or narcissistic as Taylor, Kanye, Kim, etc…..And Calvin Harris is right up there along with Kanye, Taylor, and Kim in that department. The most important lesson to pay attention to from all this is that, no matter who is feuding, they are all laughing to the bank, and hand-shaking behind closed doors, while everyone else is riled up on their behalf. Disagreements = attention = ca-ching!!!
Love your post.
It would be nice, but they all want the drama. People were getting tried of Taylor and boyfriend pap walks so she using this to keep her in the media (she also hate to lose) Kim is using this for ratings and Kanye is using this for attention for his video
3 peas in a pod.
Agree with all of this.
So brilliant
Like I said, maybe 15 yrs from now when Kanye and Tay take up their residencies in Vegas (i.e., Brittney, Cher) they can be pals
Very good points. Bottom line, they all want attention — and our money, to support their lifestyle.
No pr team can fix this for swift. Her current team is desperately trying to do anything they can just so they can collect their paychecks.
Taylor should just admit that he called they spoke and she was cool with the song at first but when he started calling her a B***ch that is what she really had a problem with. Her problem is that she made it seem that he did the whole thing without her consent. She should have been honest she would have garnered some sympathy. I think the majority of us would be pissed off if someone is referring to us as B**chs in a song. Taylor’s problem is she really wanted to portray the victim but she played a part in this situation. With all the reporting going around about this story I’m surprised this site has posted nothing about Khloe posting that picture and trying to shame Chloe Moritz.
Exactly. Why she felt the need to lie and cover up the nature of their conversation was a mind-bogglingly dumb move. Better yet, she could’ve just ignore it, and it all would’ve gone away.
Even the edited squibs Kim posted make it very clear that Kanye was not asking for approval. Both he and Swift clearly knew he was just letting her know she would be mentioned. Swift definitely made it clear that she realized he had no obligation to do this and that she had no right to keep him from following his own preferences as the writer. I don’t know why that point keeps getting lost. It is an important distinction in a discussion between two professionals who write lyrics.
We have only heard less than 1/60th of the phone call. It makes good sense to make Kim post the rest, this time as a continuous recording rather than disjointed ten-second bits and pieces. Just because Kim repeatedly calls someone a liar does not make it so, especially with Kim’s record for creative editing on her show. Post the whole thing and let people judge for themselves, Kim, without your editorializing. Both Kanye and Taylor deserve presentation of an unaltered and complete version. You’re the one who decided to make all this public, be fair and present all the evidence.
I completely agree. Its clear to me that TS played victim in this, it’s what she does, and in doing so , she wasn’t transparent and completely truthful. But Im not so sure KW was either. Of course he was under no obligation to call her to see of she’d be OK with it…….TS has made a successful celebrity career for herself by writing and singing about her ex boyfriends, what she believes to be faux friends etc. Doubt she called them in advance. So no, he didn’t have to call …..BUT…..
He did call and he made a point of saying he wanted her to be OK with it out of friendship. That changes the matter. In doing so, my considerations are 1) if her being ok was his desired goal, did he completely disclose the lyrics in totality? And 2) if he said he’d send it to her in advance, was it under the premise of her being OK with the final or simply aware? Either way, he didn’t do it, so he broke at least 2 verbal representations in the conversation. Again he didn’t HAVE to do either one, but he did indeed choose to do so, thereby setting up th situation.
Of course she also said things that gave permission regardless suggesting she wouldn’t question artistic choices. And apparently she is now.
But given all we have is a snippet of tue conversation chosen by one side, I’m suspicious. Truth is usually in the middle in these matters.
Release the whole tape then and let’s see the full context — and sequence — of the key points,
Or don’t. But please let this die, because I find fault / contributing factors on both sides. And KK needs to take a seat and let her husband deal with his own business.
The last sentence was unnecessarily inflammatory, I don’t see the need to bring race into this. This whole thing is ridiculous, it really is not that exciting. Regardless, Taylor will be fine.
I’m so sick of Taylor Swift, and I’m not biased because I don’t care for Kanye and Kim either.
First off bitch, most of your music is downing someone. Whether slut shaming or attacking a guy for breaking up with you.
Second, since when has someone caused this much drama over their name being in a rap song. Eminem has rapped about so many people, has any of them played victim like this?? NO! and he has said far worse things than “I made that bitch famous”
and the fact that this girl is completely okay with him talking about having sex with her but is offended by the words “that bitch.” BITCH please!! sounds to me like she’s trying to get feminists on her side.
this is a 6 year old child in a woman’s body. Her songs and her attitude prove it.
Ah Missy you don’t even know what you’re getting yourself into. I bet she doesn’t recall the entire conversation because, after all, it’s been months since it occurred and it was hour long. File that lawsuit and see your rep tanking even more when everything comes out during the deposition.
Please she assumes she’s not on speaker phone but she can hear people in the background? Does she live in the 70s? You can always tell someone puts you on speaker phone because the voice sounds hollow – not like someone speaking directly to you in the phone.
Again, her handlers should look up Cruise v. Bauer Media to see what happens when you call someone’s bluff.
From personal experience dealing with models a lot of shadiness goes on i.e. Agents they will tell Models to do whatever they must to get high follower counts on Instagram especially the major ones like W* they make them hide spouses especially if they are not high in the industry beg every fashion account to post them. So many cheat, lie, discredit any person who dares to call them out even with irrefutable proof from pictures, to videos, texts the entertainment industry to fans will always stick up for the wrong doers. I could feed gossip sites for decades with all I know, seen, and been through. It’s a bunch of narcissistic entitled lots who feed on not only fame and popularity, but addicted to control and seeing how far they can push the boundaries I know one person who was sleeping with 3 people a week lots of proof and people still idolized them like the do Kimye and Tay. I feel sorry for Tom a little he sure did not know this would happen if he leaves her they will attack him if he stays he deals with the Kimye drama and shame on every celebrity who entices and stirs up the feud hate and bs. Both parties are wrong but attacking wishing people death including children snakes just shows why this world stays messed up. The same people who say world peace are antagonists. I feel sorry for the bystanders who are friends family who are not acting ignorant caught in the middle. Taylor and Kimyes PR all need to be fired its a crap storm out of control.
I really thought the rebuttal from Tay was going to be ‘that’s not my voice on the phone’