As many of you know by now, I lived through the 1990s. I was a teenager and the ‘90s were a fun time to come of age, politically, socially and culturally. Bill Clinton was my guy before Barack Obama was my guy. I always loved Bubba, the Big Dog. Even though back then, everyone knew he had a zipper problem. Everyone knew he was a dog. Everyone knew that he liked something on the side. We rationalized it by saying to ourselves, “That’s between Bill and Hillary, he’s still a great president.” It didn’t hurt that the GOP overreached like crazy, spending millions of dollars to investigate the Clintons for every little thing, some of it sordid, some of it fairly middling.
I’m saying all of this is a way to explain why people my age and older tend to block out or forget some of the Classic Clinton Scandals. Like, I know the name “Gennifer Flowers” means something to a lot of people, mostly Republicans who want to take down the Clintons. But to me, Gennifer Flowers is just a name of someone who was barely relevant 25 years ago, someone who participated in the cottage industry of anti-Clinton propaganda that spread throughout the ’90s. Well, now Flowers is coming back into the public sphere… for reasons.
First of all, Hillary Clinton supporter Mark Cuban decided to bait Donald Trump with a tweet, because that’s the political world we live in now. Cuban tweeted this:
Just got a front row seat to watch @HillaryClinton overwhelm @realDonaldTrump at the "Humbling at Hofstra" on Monday. It Is On !
— Mark Cuban (@mcuban) September 23, 2016
This means that the Clinton campaign invited Cuban to take a front-row seat at tonight’s debate. Candidates and campaigns often try to stack the front rows with friendly faces, so that’s not shocking to me. Plus, Cuban has been trying to out-alpha-male Trump for months. And it’s gotten under Trump’s skin, because this was Trump’s reaction:
If dopey Mark Cuban of failed Benefactor fame wants to sit in the front row, perhaps I will put Gennifer Flowers right alongside of him!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 24, 2016
So Trump’s reaction to being so obviously baited by Mark Cuban is to threaten to invite… Bill Clinton’s alleged lover from, like, 30 years ago? And that’s where Trump’s mind goes too: Bill Clinton’s wife must be held accountable for Bill Clinton’s adultery. In the middle of the first presidential debate. Nevermind that that Donald Trump trying to ding Bubba for adultery is like the cheating pot calling the kettle a dumb philander. In any case, Gennifer Flowers’ assistant tells Buzzfeed that Flowers plans to take Trump up on his offer and she will be at the debate. Ugh. This just gave me another ‘90s flashback: so many people acted as if Hillary Clinton was responsible for the Big Dog’s zipper problem.
As for everything else… yes, let’s invite Mark Cuban to the debate. Let’s also invite some of the people that Donald Trump swindled with Trump University. And maybe the gold-star Khan family. And some of the African-Americans that Trump discriminated against for housing in his properties. And the New Jersey mobsters Trump has been in bed with over the years. Shall I go on?
CB and I have decided to have an Open Post tonight for the debate! I’m sure I’ll be tweeting about it too, because why not?
Photos courtesy of WENN.
Flowers won’t be there after all. At least not as Trump’s guest. Pence said so.
It’s too bad. As a Hillary supporter, I’d love to see Trump try to make an issue out of Bill’s affairs. It will backfire for him spectacularly among women voters.
I think even Trump realizes that it would be a bad move, shockingly.
Some professor who predicted the last 30 years of elections is saying Trump will win. I m so freaked out that he might actually pull it off. Facts don’t matter in this election. I m so worried.
I’m hoping the prof is saying this because he has a book to sell. Also I think he’s predicted the popular vote, not necessarily the electoral vote.
But I’m worried too. Even if Trump loses he’s stirred an ugly pot.
I’m worried too. I live in Ohio and Trump signs are popping up everywhere. I was also at a show over the weekend and when the crowd was asked how they felt about Trump the cheers were much louder than the boos. Granted, I live in a very white, conservative part of the state, but I was so upset and concerned.
I feel for anyone living in a swing state, it must be so intense right now.
It really is. You can’t escape it. We stream almost all our TV to avoid the political ads. They’re here so often I’ve seen both Hillary’s and Trump’s motorcades 2-3 times each. Our local paper endorsed a Democrat for the first time in 100 years and the meltdown in their comments section was epic. I mostly lurk here, but it gives me so much comfort to be around people who can have rational discussions about the issues (and mostly think Trump is insane)!
He should be saying this. Everyone who can vote, must! If people stay home because they think he can’t win, or their vote doesn’t matter….
I live in a battleground state and its nuts. Our phones are ringing nonstop with political poling. It’s ridiculous, but not nearly as crazy as this freak show has become.
I cannot understand why anyone would vote for Trump. I get that people don’t “like” Hilary, but electing Trump to me is the eqviliant of electing Teresa Guidace or whatever from RHONJ. He’s a table flipper looking to score big. How can anyone think that that’s an electable quality?
I am really worried too. I used to take comfort in the 538 polling but even that shows the race tightening. It makes me sick what that says about our country.
I live in a major swing state, and this is the closest I’ve seen us go toward Republican in my lifetime. It’s terrifying. Of all the people we could have swung to the right for, it disgusts me that we picked somebody who represents the opposite of everything that party and a decent sense of humanity stands for.
To my friends in swing states, please get out there and do all that you can. It can sometimes be hard to have those important conversations with friends and family members, but it is so important.
Please don’t look back on the day after the election and regret not doing more when you still had time to make a difference.
I’m really scared he is going to win. In the last week, I have seen the number of Trump signs around where I am in PA double. Just today I passed a B and B with a huge black sign with a blue line saying “Trump Pence for law and order” and a huge custom sign hanging from the porch saying “Vote for Trump Pence if you support Law Enforcement” The general vibe in the past week has been that if Trump is elected he will declare BLM a hate group, looting and protesting will magically stop, athletes will be punished for not standing for the anthem yadda yadda yadda. People really think Trump will somehow restore the country to the 1950s.
I live in a fairly conservative suburb and thank goodness I have seen only two Trump signs in a town of 40,000. But only a couple Hillary ones, too. But by this time last election there were quite a few Romney signs. So either people are being sensible or they are just hiding their support for Trump.
Astrologicaly speaking Trump has excellent prospects , Hillary not so much. Gahhh!
I’m so afraid that Trump will slide by in this debate due to the incredibly low standard he is held to.
I’m afraid for my country like never before. Who gives a f*** about who is in the audience?! I know the general public does, I know we are all about sensationalism as an nation and have zero attention span. But it is a scary time to not even be having a national discussion about global warming, police brutality, civil rights, wealth inequality, healthcare, etc etc etc.
Instead we as a nation are focused on old scandals and Bill’s inability to keep it in his pants, while a dangerous mad man is a step away from being our president. Chills.
Also kaiser this isn’t an attack on you. You are just covering whats happening, I know.
I agree and this has been Trump’s mo the entire time- fear, distract, empty promises, distract. That is why he wants to put Gennifer in the front row & its better to know who the circus has in it before they come to town. Kaiser did point out the issues by saying to put the Kahns, victims of Trump’s racism, etc in the front row. I think this post is trying to get people to not be distracted and remember the issues (ie pointing out what a sexist sh7t show we still live in).
I do differ from Kaiser’s idea that Trump wants Gennifer there because Hilary should be responsible for Bill’s affairs. I don’t think he thought that far- it was just simply who would rattle her the most. I also remember the 90s and all the blame towards Hilary for Bill’s affairs which is so real but for Trump it is only about embarrassing her & he doesn’t any scruples on how.
I was listening to NPR once and a social scientist was presenting research which showed that factually speaking, women are held to a different moral standard than men-a higher one. It showed that people across different socioeconomic and racial backgrounds almost always held women to much higher standards in manner, morals, and general achievement. Men are given a pass. There is empirical evidence to prove it. It infuriates me that he is held to the standard of gutter trash and she is held to the standard of Ivy League-r, lifetime achievement, pinnacle of success, perfect wife, perfect mother, perfect businesswoman, perfect colleague, perfect speaker… How true is this universally for all women? And we are told to be quiet and look attractive along the way? The heart of this is sexism. Without a doubt. I’m terrified for our country and would seriously consider seeking citizenship elsewhere if Trump is elected.
Justjj- it’s so true! When I studied women & crime, they typically get more time then their male counterparts for the same crime. I remember a studied that showed that people who judged a violent crime done by a man saw it as normal but for a woman to do the same thing, she must be totally corrupt & immoral.
The stuff that Donald Trump has done just gets shrugged off (I don’t know how!) but Hilary would be dead in the water if she pulled that stuff. In my own life I see fathers get a pass for crap all.the.time that mothers would be shunned for. And I see mothers getting condemned for things that are totally normal (if they had a penis that is). Drives me bonkers.
I’m very worried about it too. I can understand not liking Clinton, but Trump as a viable option? Have people not been listening to him and his extreme proclamations? SMH Not to mention all the “Grading on a curve” and letting Trump’s antics dominate the news cycles (seriously…national news with 11 minutes on Trump and 3 on Clinton just the other night) that’s been going on.
Also, while this is nothing new, I am so frustrated with the way this debate and the election in general are being reported on by so many as though it is a reality TV show or a celebrity scandal on TMZ. This is the future of the whole country being messed with and millions of people’s lives. I don’t give a fl-ng f*ck about somebody’s affair from 30 years ago, and shame on anyone who thinks a Presidential debate is the time to make that the center of discussion (ie Team Trump)
There are serious policy issues that need to be talked through, this is a time for these two to make their case to the American people about why they should hold the highest office in the land. The fact that one of them views the American public with such disrespect that they think this Twitter sideshow is all we deserve to get makes me feel physically ill. Yes, I know elections have been reported on as horseraces for years, and debate coverage is always about the “who won” and “gotchas” and “sound bites” but it shouldn’t be too much to expect that both the people showing up and the people covering the event act like grown ups. I’m with @WATP, the stakes ARE too high.
Ugh!!! This election makes my stomach hurt 😡
Me too!! I am dreading the debate tonight. People/press are acting like we are going to watch a booking match. Thriller in Manilla
Lol so true!!
I know. I don’t see it as entertainment. Political theatre maybe. Stakes are too high.
I really dislike both of the candidates and won’t be voting for either so the debate will be a little less personal since I don’t have a dog in this fight. Both of these clowns have turned our political system into a cut rate political version of Mystery Science Theater 3000.
Pardon me, but one candidate has run a straightforward, policy-based campaign and the other has run a hateful, bigoted campaign that panders to the basest of instincts and instigates violence against the opposition. It’s a campaign of fear and intimidation. How is this hard to see?
Anyone still viewing the candidates as equivalent is either closing their eyes and sticking their fingers in their ears … or has fallen for 30 years of right-wing propaganda.
And neither is a clown. Trump is a demagogue. Clinton is a public servant.
Preach, WATP. The people who aren’t voting at all are just as deluded as the people who think voting for Trump is a good idea. Sigh.
I think about what I am going to tell my kids if I don’t vote against having a racist president that wants to act on those racist tenancies? Any German who stayed home from the polls and didn’t vote for Paul von Hindenburg (running against Adolf Hitler) should feel guilt. And Hindenburg won but Hitler got so much support that it changed the political field, he became chancellor and we know what happened…..
In a democracy we don’t always get to have the candidate of our 1st choice (or 2nd or 3rd) but voting and contributing to your society is not about what you want or your first pick but what is a better choice for our society as a whole. If someone can’t see that we need to vote to protect our own citizens from this monster- well…..someday he will knock on your day & take away one of your rights & you will wish you voted. Think about others & vote. Please.
Our world has many dangerous dictators that are in power.right.now. This is not what happened 75 years ago- this is happening now and can happen in our country if we sit back and idly let it happen.
@Esmom, you have made the assumption that there are only two candidates. Congrats on proving the old adage about “assumptions”. I have voted in every national, state and local election since I was 18 more more than two decades ago. Can you say the same?
@WATP, Trump is a misogynist who somehow thinks that he can bully anyone by being an ass. Hillary hasn’t been able to overcome the issues surrounding her involvement/knowledge about her use of a private server (btw, everyone in gov’t work is given information pertaining to the prohibition about using unapproved servers and they don’t give immunity to IT guys, as they have with her’s, unless there is fire around that smoke), Benghazi and a few other subjects. In my opinion, neither candidate is Presidential material. Why do you care about my opinion isn’t yours?
Speaking of private servers… What about this domain: gwb43.com? George Bush’s private server, which was used by at least 22 of his White House officials. Or how about the 22 million emails lost on those servers?
Benghazi was a failure among many different departments/agencies and it didn’t help that congress didn’t provide funding for better security.
Love her or hate her, Hillary is the most qualified candidate of the three.
I agree complete, Who ARE.
There are only two viable candidates. Either Clinton or Trump will be president. And calling them the same is false equivalency. Regarding her email and Benghazi, everyone here (and everywhere else on the internet) has linked to articles demonstrating how those issues don’t even rise to the same level of scandal as Trump’s (see John Oliver for the most recent discussion). Moreover, there are any number of articles about Colin Powell’s comments on his same use of the email server, not to mention the Congressional investigations that absolved her of both (using millions of taxpayer money, btw). So, keep saying that they are the same, but know that you are wrong.
If I read “Benghazi” or “email” one more time without something far more solid than the empty party line rhetorical crap to explain why my tax dollars have been wasted on these witch hunts, I might lose my otherwise calm demeanor and start drop kicking people to Benghazi, while demanding that the President freeze the assets of anyone involved in those expensive, wasteful, useless investigations.
Re: emails, Clinton’s staff opened messages that were INCORRECTLY sent without the label that shows they are classified!
Trump, on the other hand, has used charity money to pay off elected officials looking into the fraudulent Trump University!
The differences between their “errors” are sooooooooo vast it boggles the mind how anyone could attempt to equate them. Trump LIES every 4 seconds! He doesn’t know policy, all he knows is that he is in this for HIMSELF and his business ventures!
CTgirl- People care when you say that are not going to vote because people like you who are not racist & sexist (I am assuming) and do not want our country to stop progress and suddenly take a new turn into a dictatorship should vote. Scream that Hilary is a crooked politician who sucks & that we need to demand more accountability in our politicians but please vote. Everyone has a right to their own opinion and do what they think is right but I am appealing to sane (or even kind of sane) people to vote against the real possibility that we will have a president who hates a large portion of our citizens and does not have respect for our laws, systems, etc.
And if you love the GOP then vote against Trump. Please prove to people watching that republicans do not stand for this racist, dividing and violent stance and that this is a fluke and not the new direction of the party. Our politicians right now suck but if we show that the alternative is our willingness to have someone like Trump in power…….
CTgirl, I don’t consider Stein or Johnson viable candidates and in any case a vote for either of them is one less for Hillary, meaning that puts us that much closer to having Trump in the White House. But I think you know that.
And since you asked, I have voted in every election for the last three decades. And I’ve not only voted in local elections, I have served in local government in various capacities.
I don’t know how anyone could say they “don’t have a dog in this fight”. Every person in the US is going to be personally impacted, in one way or another, by the result of the election in November. Neither one of these two may be your choice of candidate, but tonight’s events and the progress of these campaigns over the next several weeks will chart the course for this country for the next decade or longer (in the Supreme Court for example)
I don’t understand where Hillary’s lead has gone. But then I don’t understand why someone who has said what Trump’s said about war veterans, 9/11, women, various ethnic groups, urging the Russians to cyber attack Hillary, sly references to the gun lobby really attacking Hillary, mocking a disabled journalist…what the eff is going on? It’s so depressing to hear “well he says what we’re all thinking”. Surely not. It’s reached the stage where I can’t bear to look at his stupid face.
He really is lowest common demoniator and a fool if he thought her being there would rattle Clinton. Shes well able for these shenanigans.
However hes kind of a palin in that all he has to do is get through it without being too offensive and itll be considered a win, Clinton will be grilled however. The double standard is infuriating so heres hoping she annhilates him
She will be held to a ridiculous standard while he can say the equivalent of a mouth fart and be applauded
That Flowers would even consider attending as Trump’s guest says a great deal about her, none of it good. What point could she expect to make by attending?
I know, it’s just so gross that she’d even consider it.
Right?! Just because you have feeling towards the man who had an affair with and/or his wife, this is about more then an affair you had 30 years ago. God, Bill really had wretched tasted in who he cheated with……
I would understand if it were Juanita Broderick (who I just saw said she did want to go). Although, even then, her claim that Hillary Clinton is somehow to blame is from her saying “We are so grateful for everything you do” in what she interpreted as a threatening manner. Why does a mistress need to humiliate the wife of a guy she had an affair with 30 years ago? I’m sure Hillary referred to her as a bimbo or something, but again, you are having an affair with her husband. Have some perspective.
“This means that the Clinton campaign invited Cuban to take a front-row seat at tonight’s debate”
Isn’t Cuban Monica Lewinsky’s nickname?
I’ll show myself out.
Lest I forget…..I love you Soror Bro
Nothing Trump has done even BEGINS to compare to the lies and danger that Hilary represents to our country. The Clinton Foundation? What a farce. Every country in the world has been promised something for their contributions to it. Benghazi? What does it matter? Sheesh, I’m so fed up with all of the Hollywood bullshit.
You’re being sarcastic, right?
*slaps knee wildly*
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
Good one!
I’ll give you one thing- nothing he HAS done but his plans are so much more.
Hilary is a typical politician in America & Trump wants to be a dictator. Trump looks up to Putin as a leader to be like and slept with Hitler’s book next to his bed for years- he found it inspirational. What he wants to do and will do is nothing in comparison.
Gotta give you lot credit, when you play the crazy card you play it to impressive levels. It’s like you’re aiming for the moon, go clear over it and we still have to be impressed you even managed to turn the engine on.
@Yellow Rose
Ok, I’ll bite. You know why Trump doesn’t have a Benghazi to his name? Because he has never done anything! He has never had a political office, he never had the kind of responsibility that could lead to a bad decision! The only responsibilities he ever assumed were business ones – the ones where people don’t die if you mess up, and boy did he mess up time and time again!
So, PLEASE explain to me, based on what, exactly, do you think that Trump will do a better job? Yes, he may not have messed up yet. You know who else hasn’t? Me! Does it mean you’re going to vote for me on that fact alone? Cause I sure as heck don’t think that I can do a better job than Hillary Clinton, and I think no person with a shed of humility and intelligence could possibly ever claim that they could do a better job – the most they could do is hope. And prepare for their Benghazi. Because odds are, it’s coming.
Can she sit next to Marla Maples, please?
I’ve heard it said elsewhere, but can you imagine what the right’s reaction would be to a black man with 5 kids by 3 women running for president?
Ha, spot on. He’d never make it out of the primaries. Or even to the primaries, for that matter. The double standard really is mind boggling.
Or if he were a thrice married woman with 5 kids by 3 different men.
LOL
Seriously. Let’s bring Ivanna and Marla in and see how that flies. Not to mention all of Trump’s side pieces.
including the woman who was 13 when Drumpf allegedly raped her.
Place Ivanka front and center so he can ogle her while Hillary’s talking.
doofus- I was talking to someone about that last night & am disturbed it didn’t get more press. Even if her exact story can’t be corroborated, Trump was friends with that psycho Jeffery Epstein. Trump partied with him, was in his ‘black book’ and Epstein was known to supply underage girls for men to rape. The most famous victim of Epstein’s was recruited while working for Trump.
If we have president who speaks about serial pedophile rapists like this then I am blasting off to the moon:
“I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,” Trump once said about the convicted sex offender. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”
MC2– the Jeffrey Epstein/ Trump connection is disgusting. I am a Hillary supporter but I do have to point one thing out… Bill Clinton has had a relationship with Jeffrey Epstein as well and ditched his security detail to be on Epstein’s private plane…. Yikes.
What is wrong with all these powerful men??? Like, if I were rich and famous, yeah, I’d probably mess around a lot too… WITH GROWN MEN! Maybe younger than myself, but I can GUARANTEE that I’d never want a 13-15, heck even 20-year old boy!
Crystal- I know…. which is why I think that it hasn’t gotten more press. Neither side wants to bring it up since they both have dirty hands.
But I don’t think Hilary should be held accountable for her husband’s indiscretions or crimes that she knew nothing about. Trump’s relationship with Epstein also went much deeper then Clinton. You could surmise that Bill took his plane once and didn’t know what Epstein was about but Trump hung out with the guy for 15 years…..one could be guilty and one is most likely guilty.
Ha ha ha ha ha.
I wish Clinton hadn’t invited Cuban, it was an immature move. And of course Trump comes over the top and counters with something vile. Bottom line, she can’t beat him at his petty games (because she is not a terrible person like he is). She should keep it professional, both for her own sake and for the well-being of the political process in this country.
I agree, hate it when she stoops to his level of incivility. And the fact is, he can be unlikeable and noone cares because he has a penis. She can’t afford to engage with this smarmy shite, needs to rise above.
You can win against a man like him. If you keep it classy like Bush, he stands there call you names. If you get into the mud with him like Rubio, he clls you names. If you try and keep to the facts like Cruz, he call you names, If you ignore im like Carson and Fiorina, he calls you names. Untell the American people send a clear message that his behavior is unacceptable then he will continue calling names. The sickening part is the more he calls names, the more popular he becomes.
You know Bush, Rubio,Cruz, Carson and Fiorina lost to Trump in the primaries?
I think crtb meant “you can’t win”. That no matter what you do, he will just stand there and just call you names and that the American people are lapping that up.
“Untell the American people send a clear message that his behavior is unacceptable then he will continue calling names.”
So true. The American people set the bar. WE are responsible for this collectively. If American voters didn’t reward name calling, then a name caller wouldn’t be the nominee.
Thank you MC@ – I gues I didn’t make myself clear. I meant “you can’t win”. That no matter what you do, he will just stand there and just call you names and that the American people are lapping that up.
They are both complete idiots, if anyone thinks she invited Mark Cuban (who is an idiot himself), just because she has so much “respect” for him then they are obviously completely fooled by her and if anyone else thinks for one minute that Donald Trump wouldn’t invite Gennifer Flowers, Monica Lewinsky…or ever else he could pay to sit in the front row, they are crazy too, he probably had to be begged and pleaded not to do so by his advisors. This is a three ring circus and our country is going to be a complete mess no matter who wins. Slimeballs…both of ’em.
Nonsense, and shame on anyone calling Hillary Clinton a “slimeball” when she has been slimed by the right wing for 30+ years. Trump is the slimeball and they are not equivalent. She is a normal, typical politician – not perfect, but none are. Trump is not a normal politician, he is a right-wing demagogue and a bigot and supported by a major political party.
Ugh. I agree that US politics has become a circus, but that has a lot more to do with Citizens United and gerrymandering and Congressional and national bigotry and K St. lobbyists and the late Antonin Scalia than with Hillary Clinton.
Thank you Who. I am so SICK and tired of “They are BOTH so Awful!”
No! One is a qualified candidate whom you may or may not agree with or like and the other is a narcissistic , lowbrow, slimy POS .
And as much as I have never cared for Hillary I am supporting her 100% at this point.
The woman has worked hard for this. She is qualified and she has earned it. And at the end of the day, nobody knows what or which of the massive bullsh** conspiracy theories that the GOP has been fanning for YEARS has any real validity. Enough already. Give her a chance.
Yes to both above comments. One presidency will give us a better version of the Clinton era of the 90s but (hopefully) with more ability to keep moving this country forward while the other will give us a dictatorship. Ho hum, what’s the difference?!
As one person that I know said it so eloquently- maybe Hilary vs Trump makes no difference in your personal life but why don’t you think about how you would feel if you were an immigrant or a Muslim. Would you feel the same the day after Trump vs Hilary was elected?! He has said that deportations would start within 24 hours of him being elected- what do you think that means? That means rounding people up and that is not my America……..I need to go for a walk.
I’m sticking to my statement…terrible people, both of them. I’ll vote for her, but please let’s hope that someday there is a strong woman that we can trust. I’m secretly hoping for Michelle O in the next election.
@Mellie Hillary Clinton is a strong woman! Look how far she’s gotten. Farther then any other woman in the USA. The first woman presidential nominee. She’s made history already. She’s stood up to powerful men who pushed back her whole life. She still keeps moving forward, with intensity and has never backed down to all the bs misogyny she’s faced in her lifetime. To say she’s not strong is ridiculous. Let’s give credit where credit is due!
Mellie- I respect & admire your position that you think she is a terrible person but you will still vote for her. I saw a huge sign in my area “FINE……Hilary” and another one “Keep Calm and Vote HRC”. I feel for the people that don’t like and don’t feel good about voting for her and I am so grateful that you will still do your civic duty and vote against Trump.
MO for president!!!! That would be a dream come true!
Jezi- I linked to an article just below here about HRC called “Let Me Remind You Who I Am” and it reminds me of your comment. It’s pretty spot on.
Hillary is a slimeball. She isn’t a “typical” politician. She and Bill have made grifting an art form and their hubris is astounding. The only reason she isn’t 10 points behind (not 50 points ahead, as she’s whined) is because she is the beneficiary of the Republican party’s meltdown. Were the nominee John Kasich, Hillary would lose. Big.
All that said, I agree they aren’t equivalent. Trump is not only a complete slimeball, but he also is woefully uninformed, has zero intellectual curiosity and has zero judgment. At least Hillary is knowledgeable, knows what it takes to govern and is smart enough to respond rather than react. I hate Hillary Clinton, but there simply isn’t a choice. Trump presents the possibility of a catastrophe. A catastrophe could still happen with Hillary at the helm, but it won’t be of her own making.
Of course I’m voting against Trump, I’m not completely insane! Let’s start a grassroots effort for Michelle Obama right here.
Oh my. We are reaching a new low, below low.
It’s not about “accountability” for Bill — it’s about humiliation of Hillary. It’s a paradigm of misogyny that says she’s “accountable” because she wasn’t “(fill in blank) enough” — and therefore should feel shame and humiliation as a woman. But it’s meant to degrade and intimidate her, not call her out.
If you want some serious — and sobering, if not terrifying — reading, go peruse the GOP platform document. Just holding the table of contents and preambles of both party’s platforms side by side illustrates the possible futures before us.
2016 Gennifer Flowers has an assistant!?!
Some people are really underestimating Hillary in my opinion.
That woman suffered through the farce witch trail called Benghazi hearing for 11 hours. The best brains of Republicans attacked for 11 years and yet she came out winning without a single sweat.
Trump is a bully but Hillary has fought a lot worse men than him.
As long as those so called journalists did their job and had any self respect, they would call put Trump for every lie, every lawsuit and every racist word he has said on live TV.
You give me hope, Maya. I’m afraid that Trump will succeed in this debate just because he won’t be a complete tool.
Right wingers gain popularity everywhere just by saying they will make it better. Not one of them can name one specific way of how to do so, but their supporters buy the promise. All they do is blaming minorities until they are no more minorities to blame. To quote Martin Niemöller:
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
What worries me is that I’m not so sure seeing Trump at his worst behavior would harm him. Calling people slurs? His whole schtick is that being PC is a bad thing and that minorities should get over it. If anything, seeing Trump being more-or-less respectful could potentially harm him.
That’s why I think Trump would be one of the worst presidents in the history of democracy. He’s not the first bigot, but the bigots before him at least tried to hide that. Trump’s bigotry and hatred is exactly what people like about him, in an age struggling to be more inclusive.
And finally, let’s not forget Trump has zero political experience and is completely incompetent. Those saying the only people who will benefit from a Trump presidency are straight white men have a very binary and narrow minded view of what a president is. They will obviously lose less than the rest, but NO ONE will benefit from having a president that incompetent. Inequality is the subject people most talk about in the internet but it’s not the only thing a president deals with. Among many stuff, this man would be sitting in a large table debating the possibility of a nuclear attack, and getting the final say. Nuclear weapons. Do you want to give that power to Donald Trump?
I don’t know if this link will be approved but I loved it:
https://medium.com/@shitHRCcantsay/let-me-remind-you-fuckers-who-i-am-e6e8b297fe47#.8rystgprz
Thank you MC2 – I absolutely love it!!
That was wonderful
I’m stopping for Wine on the way Home… There is a VERY real Possibility This Walking Seeping Trashbag with a Toupe could call Hillary ( No Saint of my Devotion , mind you , but the only Choice!) a Slur of some sort on National tv and we all Know it
I have a full rack of wine and may go through all 12 bottles before this dark night of the soul is over!!
Good idea. I will have to open a bottle after I put the kids to bed to prepare for this.
Ok, I’m throwing in my observations: A few weeks ago, trump had a full day that went something like this: A.m., calm, reasonable (for him), borderline polite: Afternoon, more of the same with a slight edge. Early P.m., full-on rage monster unable to control what came out of his mouth. I have noticed this pattern on the days that he publicly speaks from morning to night. Having spent the 80s and part of the 90’s in D.C./NYC, trump was everywhere in the media, and he never sounded like this. I too am of the camp that he’s possibly in the early stages of some form of dementia. Now, I believe that is the reason why he is so off the charts in the evening: sundowners. It’s what happens in several degenerative illnesses; as the day progresses, the symptoms grow stronger. Just my $0.2. If that’s the case, tonight will be one for the record books. He won’t be able to control what he says, and hopefully even his staunchest supporters will be able to see something is very wrong. Ok, true, his staunchest supporters won’t know the difference, but he’s been kept pretty quiet during the evenings lately…but they can’t control the time of the debate. This could be an expository evening indeed.
I am legit praying (for the first time in years) for this to happen
I think it’s really worrying that the PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE is being build up like a Jerry Springer episode. Even if Trump loses, the fact he got this far left a very ugly stain on American politics.
Agreed. Everyone is talking about it like it’s a Mike Tyson fight. People aren’t watching for policy discussion but to see who delivers the most meme-worthy burn.
It certainly looks like dementia when compared to the scholarly, cool-guy Obama and the lawyerly, parse-words-out-carefully Clinton.
If this is a double post I apologize, but Cuban has been one of Clinton’s mock debate stand ins. He’s been playing Trump to Clinton which is pretty brilliant, I think.
Celebrity Deathmatch! This has been more entertaining than what we have in YEARS and I’m sure both will deliver. I guess we will soon find out if Hillary can throw shade and a good read. Open the library!
Wait!
What about Marla Maples’ body guard Spencer Wagner? He admitted to an affair with Marla and then subsequently died. Too bad he couldn’t get an invite.
You guys do know the multiple accusations against Bill Clinton were for more than just affairs? Rape, sexual harassment in the workplace? By multiple women. Yes, he did have many affairs and Hillary appears to be okay with it. But her demonization of the women who had legitimate accusations against her husband is wrong, no matter what side you are on. And yes, Trump is a turd.
Agree 100%. Anyone else would be in prison for some of the things the Clintons have done. I can’t understand how people think these people are good role models!
I don’t need my president to be a role model. I need my president to be AN EFFECTIVE PRESIDENT.
Slate did a great write-up about the skills that an effective president should possess (and I happen to agree with it):
*Political Skill
*Management Ability
*Persuasiveness
*Temperament
I don’t give a flying f*ck what my presidential candidate’s husband did in his bedroom 20 years ago and I DGAF how she handled her husband’s transgressions. That’s between her and her husband and those women and it has no affect on her ability to run this country.
Sigh.
It’s so bizarre to me how people will essentially erase what is a solid political resume over a personal scandal that has literally ZERO impact on any of our lives.
So integrity means nothing?
I completely agree with everything you ladies and Leah said. I was in junior high/high school during the clinton era. Even at that age – I was and still am third hand embarrassed for her. I couldn’t and still can’t believe that such an incredibly intelligent woman with the means would actually stay with a man who so carelessly disrespected her while the world was watching. This speaks volumes to me about who she is as a person and how she regards herself. It does speak to her integrity, her values, her morals, her character. What drives me crazy is that to bring up this very factual part of the Clinton era is like kicking a hornet’s nest. Yes – it does matter to some of us voters.
As a side note; for those who are wondering why the rest of the world cares about a US election, OUR stock exchange took a downturn because of the debates tonight. Yeah, we are concerned on the north side of the border as well…
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/inside-the-market/market-updates/at-the-open-tsx-falls-ahead-of-first-us-presidential-debate/article32050281/
I live in Louisiana which is solidly a GOP state. 😭 Nearly all of our friends and most of our family member are DT-supporters. 😳 He just can’t win. Period.
you don’t have to like hilary to vote for her. you can vote for her to keep the supreme court from becoming a completely unbalanced joke.
if you care about justice at all such as reproductive rights, equal rights, human rights, human dignity, et al, please vote for hilary.
Hillary may not have been responsible for Bill’s zipper problem but she certainly looked the other way because of their careers, not only that but actively went after and vilified the women who came forward when she knew very well that their allegations were true. Hill’s is no shining knight of thruth and morality either.
While we are at the private lifes of HC, I wonder why nobody talks about DT’s divorces? He does not seem to be very liable and runs away, when times get a bit more difficult. That is his general behaviour, running away. At least HC sees her way through it and she shows responsibility.