As we discussed this weekend, a tape was released from 2005 of Donald Trump on a hot mic bragging about committing acts of sexual assault. What followed was one of the craziest weekends in American politics ever. GOP standard-bearers – who were completely fine with Trump’s misogyny, racism and stupidity up until this point – began fleeing the Trump Titanic in droves. But some of Trump’s loyal supporters stayed. And the new Trump talking point became “this is just how men talk to other men.” Because rape culture, amirite? And one of Trump’s loyal supporters is Jon Voight. Voight loathes Barack Obama and anything progressive/liberal. So this is how Voight explained the Trump debacle on his Twitter, with a bonus reference to Robert DeNiro’s amazing Trump takedown:
I am so ashamed of my fellow actor Bobby DeNiro’s rant against Donald Trump. What foul words he used against a presidential nominee who has worked harder then any other man I know in the past year and a half to get a good message to the American people.
I don’t know of too many men who haven’t expressed some sort of similar sexual terms toward women, especially in their younger years. Donald Trump’s words were not as damaging as Robert DeNiro’s ugly rant. Trump’s words did not hurt anyone. Can you imagine if any Republican said words like Robert DeNiro used – against Hilary Clinton or Barack Obama? All hell would break loose.
I am calling for all Trump supporters to express their outrage and anger against DeNiro and all of the Republican turncoats against Trump. Let Donald Trump know we are completely behind him, and may God give him the strength to continue his calling.
“Than” not “then.” Voight is right about one thing: if a Republican said that they’d like to punch Hillary Clinton in the face, all hell would break loose. Thank God Republicans have found a way around that conundrum by calling her a “c—nt” and “worthless bitch.” So much so that they even put those “slogans” on t-shirts. Donald Trump found a way around that conundrum by openly suggesting that HRC’s Secret Service step down so we could see “what happens.” But no, that’s not as bad as Robert DeNiro!
As for Voight’s argument that he doesn’t know of “too many men who haven’t expressed some sort of similar sexual terms toward women, especially in their younger years”… here’s my question to all of the men expressing variations of that argument: do you not realize that’s a problem? Do you never stop and think, “Oh, maybe it shouldn’t be like that?” And Trump wasn’t in his “younger years” when he said that – he was a spry and deplorable 59 years old. As for “Donald Trump’s words were not as damaging as Robert DeNiro’s ugly rant. Trump’s words did not hurt anyone.” ARE YOU JOKING? The Trump Tape needed a trigger warning. It was the embodiment of rape culture. The words he spoke were physically revolting because he was BRAGGING ABOUT ASSAULT. He actually admitted to “grabbing them by the p-ssy.” But poor Jon Voight, Bob DeNiro’s words hurt his fee-fees.
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ugggghhhh The League of Buffoons
Talk about a bag of deplorables, he’s sitting right at the top
But of course he would say that. No wonder Angelina-and James-have issues with him.
Is Angelina a republican? I read that somewhere. I’m sure she doesnt support Trump, but still, I’d side eye her if she’s a republican.
She has never discussed her party affiliation with anyone. She has always kept that private.
Neither, she is an independent in both registration and practice. Which is refreshing. Politics have gotten way too partisan.
She has shown herself to be socially liberal, both a feminist and pro-gay marriage for example. She is also pro-gun, a minor advocate of gun rights and keeps them in her home. Despite Brad being more outspoken about American politics and decidedly liberal he has also given quotes in interviews that say he shares her views. She is not unquestionably pro-peace if it comes at the expense of justice. I think her work has broadened her horizons and international politics seem to interest her more than domestic politics. She seems open minded and non-partisan. She disagrees with both Brad and her father depending on the issue.
While she was promoting Changeling she was asked if she ever got into arguments about politics with the director Clint Eastwood during filming. “I think people assume I’m a Democrat. But I’m registered independent and I’m still undecided. So I’m looking at McCain as well as Obama.”
Even after a few years of Obama, Jolie still gives him mixed reviews and has expressed frustration in some of his domestic and foreign policy.
While at a promotional event held in DC’s Holocaust Memorial Museum for In The Land of Blood and Honey, Brad said they disagreed on their political views including how they viewed Barack Obama. He was and remains a staunch supporter while
she told reporter Nicholas Ballasy that she is “disappointed” in “a few things.”
When asked about a 2009 interview where she expressed doubt that Obama would be elected to another four years in the White House Jolie responded that there are “many, many things I think have gone in a wonderful direction, and there are a few things I am disappointed in. And I don’t feel like tonight is the night to clarify, but there are many wonderful things that have moved forward and of course some other things that are very frustrating.”
Take this with considerable amount of salt… “She hates him,” a source close to the actress said to US Weekly. “She’s into education and rehabilitation and thinks Obama is all about welfare and handouts. She thinks Obama is really a socialist in disguise.”
Despite her displeasure with the leader of the Democrats, the 34-year-old actress is reportedly not a Republican like her father, actor Jon Voight.
Jolie, who has been a U.N. Goodwill Ambassador since 2001, is said to think the President is all “smoke and mirrors.”
But what about her famous other half, Brad Pitt? Apparently, the two don’t agree.
Pitt, 45, who attended the 2008 election party in Chicago, is apparently a big fan of the President.
“They get in nasty arguments all the time about it,” the source said. “She doesn’t respect Brad when it comes to politics, but, in the end, this won’t tear them apart.”
@lindsey
You should source your post.
That’s from US Magazine and most of it is a load of crap. Including quotes dissing the President, Think it was gossip copped at one pont.
The true part is that she focuses on humanitarian causes and isn’t publicly political because when it comes to working on the hill and trying to pass legislation for women, children and refugees – it’s better she not be. President Obama admires her and called her awesome, and she and Brad have visited him in the Oval.
@almondmilk yes and no. The 2009 stuff was from Us. She was asked about it at an event (I think the premiere of In the Land of Milk and Honey) and even said ‘did you read that in Us magazine?’ She did go on to say that she was disappointed in some things with Obama. So the poster is right and wrong. You can find the video on YouTube.
My husband played in big hair bands around Atlanta in the 80’s and he had his share of fun. We were talking about Trump’s comments over the weekend and he was so repulsed by them that he got physically frustrated. He said, “We had women throwing themselves at us but we never, ever treated them badly or spoke about them the way Trump does.”
Side note: This is in direct contrast to Nikki Sixx admitting in his Heroin Diaries book that Motley Crue would stand the naked groupies in a line and throw bologna at them. Then, whomever it stuck to would be who they would be with. Of course, Nikki was in his younger years and not 59.
You’re right 100% about the rape culture and the fact it needed a trigger warning. I have PTSD from multiple sexual assaults and I am proud to say I don’t get triggered often or easily. Suffice it to say, when I hear people who want to be leaders in our country – congress, state level, president, judiciary, etc. it triggers me heavily. These are people who are influential. To defend or minimize these kinds of words and actions by stating it’s just “locker room talk” or that he’s young with no history (eh hem, Brock Turner) it is dangerous and it does hurt people. It takes potential survivors and re-victimizes us all over again.
K I literally manifested a physical migraine, the first migraine I’ve had in about 20 years, I was so triggered. Hearing all of the stories from my fellow sisters, talking about my own assault at a young age and then a rape at 16. Like, it was just too much! But I also couldn’t tear myself away from it all.
Hugs to you LD! We’re all in this together-I finally outed myself on social media as a survivor of sexual assault due to this disgusting tape.
I’m so with HER at this point it’s unparalleled.
I hope you feel better.
I am so sorry for what you went through. I hope you know that this is a safe place where you can talk about it and most women on here have been there.
HUGS TO YOU.
oh, and F*CK Drumpf and F*CK Voight. I’m sure they’d both be OK if someone grabbed their daughters’ or granddaughter’s p*ssy, right?
Or rather what if a stronger, physically larger man or woman did it to them, or their brother, son.
Fuck, this is a humane thing not a female
thing!!!
To so many people it’s clearly a female thing though, you know?
good point, LD, and I did see that question posed to some on FB.
when a man would diminish the seriousness of it, they’d get the what if a larger/stronger man walked up to you and grabbed your d*ck? or even just walked up to you and kissed you against your will?
What’s the most interesting to me was after this came out and I started talking to my friends, TWO other incidents occurred in my life beyond my rape that I forgot (?) about. In second grade my best friend and I were flashed by a man on the way walking to school. First penis I ever saw. That resulted in a police case and looking at photos of perpetrators and detectives. I cannot believe I forgot that! The second was my first job in an office for a summer job in NYC, a man I worked with wrote this disgusting letter to another female in the office about the vile sexual things he wanted to do to us both, together and separate. That resulted in a sexual harassment case filed in HR, statements given and resulted in his being fired.
If I’m triggered I can’t imagine how other women feel.
I’m not surprised he said it. I’m not even criticizing THAT he said it. On one hand, he’s right. It is just “locker room talk”. On the other hand he has a lot of women in his life and last night’s debate was a perfect opportunity to just apologize and discuss rape culture and public safety. He could have taken his mistake and made something (relatively) positive out of it. The part that is triggering for me is the denying and/or minimizing of these behaviors. It basically says, “Hey, this behavior is acceptable.” That’s what scares me. Then to have people get 6 months in prison with only 3 served while the survivors spend their lifetime just trying to get their heads back on straight…it’s shameful. He blew a perfect opportunity to acknowledge that it is behavior that our society currently accepts and turn it around.
@Kay
“He could have taken his mistake and made something (relatively) positive out of it.”
It wasn’t a mistake. It wasn’t his first or last time. It’s his way of life. It’s who he is.
There’s nothing redeemable there.
Me as well. And I don’t trigger easily. I also don’t talk about the rape to anyone outside my immediate family. But I posted on Facebook about it and asked that people unfollow me for the duration if they were going to go all apologist. That’s what was the worst–so infuriating and saddening to hear people say it’s ‘just locker room talk’.
This is the spin for most trump supporters.
They’re saying trump is just saying things while Hillary has done things.
They’re overlooking that it’s what trump has said he has done and said he will do. And what women have said he has done to them, among other claims by other people
“What foul words he used against a presidential nominee who has worked harder then any other man I know in the past year and a half to get a good message to the American people.”
What good message would that be, Jon? That I, as a person with several preexisting medical conditions, including cancer, should just haul off and die because his “good message” includes repealing the law that prevents health insurance plans from discriminating against me on the basis of diagnosis? And that’s not even touching the revolting, bigoted statements he has made about: Muslims, Mexicans, women, the disabled, veterans, and on and on and on. Please explain what this good message is, Jon?
yeah, that stuck out for me, too.
I’m guessing that, to a bigot like Voight, Drumpf’s message HAS been a good one.
he’s against women, LGBTQ folks, minorities, Muslims, etc…just up Voight’s bigoted, misogynistic alley.
Jon Voight sit your obsolete ass down and shut up!
Yes that man has no class. As evidenced by this and when he ran his mouth off about Angelina’s divorce. He’d do better to just shutup!
I’m almost speechless. This tool believes that this is just the way guys talk. Grabbing a woman by her pu$$y. Oh yes Trump did say when you’re famous, you can have anything. Robert DeNiro told the truth and nothing but the truth. It’s incomprehensible how Voight gives the green light to denigrate women and then have the audacity to say all men do it. Ah but yes he did say men in their younger years and of course Donald was only 59 GD years old. Who are these people??????????????????????????????????
Ughhhhh no. As multiple athletes, men and women have stated: your argument is f’ing insulting to men. And if this is something you’ve witnessed then you either need to learn to call that ish out or stop lowering the bar for men.
None of my guy friends talk like that. Some are vulgar but they have never expressed anything remotely close to what he said on tape.
Again the GOP can go F themselves
Is anyone surprised? Voight is an angry old white male conservative.
Locker room banter? Are they the same locker rooms that college sports team rapists come from?
Yes, yes they are. This was my first thought, too.
Second thought- just because Voight says most others say similar, does not make it acceptable. In fact, it only serves to show how widespread and disgusting it is…rape culture… it’s everywhere.
My husband says he’s been in many locker rooms and has never heard men talk like this about women in his life, it’s disgusting.
This is probably why Jon Voight’s daughter Angelina Jolie doesn’t talk to her father. That useless sack of crap should just sit his ass down. He cheated on Angelina’s mother countless of times?
All I will say is, don’t put your foot in you mouth Jon.
No wonder Angelina can’t stand her father. Wouldn’t let him near my kids, either.
Amen.
+1
Seriously. +100
Billy Bush talked about being “younger”as an excuse even though he was 34,married with three daughters.
Now Voight is bringing up “younger”.
Ryan Lochte at age 32 was referred to as a “kid”.
They are not “younger”,they are immature,IMO.
I am so sick of white old men telling me what I can and can’t think. Enough.
to quote one of my favorite actresses and movies (which I saw over the weekend and this applies here…)
“Sit your raggedy ass down and shut the f*ck up.”
I love that quote from one of my favorite films too, and it’s use here is so beautifully fitting.
He is a piece of sh*t. Next.
You’re right Jon. No, his words didn’t actually jump out of the television and physically harm me. His words didn’t reach out and grab me in the vagina. Words are words are words. Because someone speaks them doesn’t mean they can actually harm a persons body.
JEEZE! I am SO OVER the semantics behind this issue. No the words didn’t actually hurt us, but the actions behind the words of a man who admitted to using his celebrity to Grope women without their consent is a really big deal for someone who is running for President.
I cannot understand why that point is continuously grazed over??
I would like to hear from the women whose crotches were groped by Trump whether they were hurt be the experience or not. The statements were not made in the “I would like to …” mode, they were made in the “I have …” mode.
Trump’s comments – classless….although he’s not alone sadly in these sentiments, words, or actions. DEniro could have been eloquent and risen above…..with better commentary. I do find that Bill CLintons behavior just as bad or worse….cigar in the Oval Office, but he is always bizarrely forgiven and sanctified. Voigt at least is expressing an opinion (so many chime in with whatever popular sentiment is out there)….though I think my man is far better than these clowns….not all are eternal frat boys.
Well for one Bill isn’t running, secondly I believe the cigar incident was consensual. Morally wrong perhaps but at least Monica was willing and not just groped out of nowhere.
Power is an aphrodisiac. I’ve experienced this myself. I’ve found older men in positions of authority appealing. If they’d paid me special attention when I was young, I would have been interested. There’s nothing “abusive” or “predatory” about that, inherently. Bill Clinton went beyond the norm, I think. He has defects of character that were exacerbated by power in a negative way. Trump is talking about NONconsenual encounters. And he’s an idiot. And yes, like Ange said, Bill isn’t running. I’ve never seen a presidential candidate called to task for what their spouse does before.
Clinton was accused of rape (Juanita Broderick) and harassment (Paula Jones). But 1) those are allegations not bragging on tape about committing them unlike Trump and 2) he’s not running. Other encounters, which make him a pig, have been consensual.
I’m about ready to give up on humanity.
Can we please stop giving fact free crazy a voice.
Sexual assault survivor here. I don’t use this word at all but in this context, it is more than appropriate – i was deeply, deeply triggered by what i heard on that tape. What DT casually laughs about is EXACTLY what happened to me. DT might not have assaulted me personally, but his words – and Billy Bush’s encouragement – were hurtful.
The only thing I can say is for Trump supporters I do sort of understand the confusion. This line in the sand is too little, too late. If from day one of your campaign you can highlight and underline your racism and xenophobia. Then go on to bully other candidates, say ableist thing and have very ableist policies, repeatedly show you are a liar and a fraud to the point your supporters don’t even believe you will deliver on huge campaign promises and simply don’t care, have a catalog of sexist comments- including towards your daughter and various wives. He has being spewing vile stuff as a Presidential candidate (giving him a benefit we have never given ANYONE that what you demonstratably did or said doesn’t count because it is in the past before you ran for public office.) It is a jarring change in news coverage and his political perception. The prominent Republicans knew who and what they were endorsing and I think a lot of them didn’t have the courage of their convictions to say “This goes beyond partisan lines, I cannot support this man as POTUS” and afterwards as it somehow got didn’t want to drop out alone. They didn’t want to be the first “turncoat” they wanted to hide in the numbers.
All of this to say if you were whole heartedly a Trump supporter this would be confusing. We knew who he was, he didn’t hide it. Everybody rushing to the aide of Nancy O’Dell (he has said vile things about many others) feels disingenuous because it is. It was just some arbitrary line that had enough people say “enough.” Even though is due to the way his entire campaign has been run they are taking a stand because they rallied the numbers, have one issue, and don’t have to admit they were wrong and so blinded by their hatred of HRC, that they were clinging to that to the exclusion of all else.
I am glad that there was finally something however I think if you presented a list of everything he has done and said without any context they would make it this far down the list without picking something else as the smoking gun that ended his campaign.
We are going to be stuck with his rabid cult and claims Hillary stole the election for a long time. He has managed to do a substantial amount of damage before even entering office.
mickey just shut up!
Oh, Lord. This isn’t that dancing guy from the Fatboy Slim music video is it?
If it is, I’m going to be so disappointed and upset.
That was Christopher Walken.
Thank you! Thank God. I love that guy!
Mickey Donovan is supposed to be a role, Jon, a role! You are in-between seasons so knock it off.
Apparently there is more disgusting tape of Trump, and a producer is threatening lawsuits if anyone leaks footage from the Apprentice.
Such a disgusting piece of crap, and, John Voigt can sit down, and shut up….. there’s a reason you a no longer relevant, John!!!
Yes, we should all want a man who condones thinking of women as sexual objects as leader of the free world. Yes, let’s tell our boys that this sort of behavior is okay if you are a man in power, that Trump can talk about your mother, sister, daughter in terms that will enrage you. Why not continue the tradition of turning a blind eye to men in power. Remember how everyone said it was okay for Bill to get bjs in the white house? how we shamed Monica? Dude, girl was an intern. She got taken advantage of. Can’t wait to see the day this sick rape culture becomes unacceptable… so tired of hearing these excuses from coworkers, friends, etc. that “all men talk like that”. End rant.
Speaking as a guy I found Trump words vile and stomach turning and I have NEVER heard any of my male friends talk like this. It was my belief that this is not how a civilized person (or at least someone who is not a sociopath) thinks let alone speaks.
So hearing two men talk like this is reprehensible enough without all these people coming out of the woodwork (not just famous ones but the average Joe on Twitter or Facebook) claiming this is “normal” male behaviour. I really want to believe that isn’t true, but this election is teaching me that society is a lot less empathetic, enlightened and civil than I thought, and that some true ugliness is bubbling barely under the surface. So either way I feel great shame on behalf of my gender.
One incident that left me completely disgusted was when our company held a training conference for our sales reps. These are respectable, professional seeming men with families. One of my coworkers (who is also a guy) gave a presentation at the conference, and while hanging around, saw this incident. One of the men pulled out his laptop and showed everyone a lewd pornographic video of a naked gymnast doing some trick. They all laughed and guffawed and generally bonded with each other over this video. I was shocked. This is early in my career, these men looked like my neighbors. The best of silicon valley. And my coworker sadly told me “they’re all like that….”
Who knew Jon Voight was such a moron???
I’m so disgusted right now. I can’t even begin to analize all the bs he said. What ‘good message’ did Trump ever spread? Oh yeah, that racism and misogyny are good, normal. STFU Jon!
I don’t know how anyone who listened or read the transcript of just a bit of Trump’s interviews with Howard Stern would be shocked at the latest tape reveal. It was already obvious, and his body language around women (including his daughter, who slithers away from him quite expertly) confirms it again and again. He’s always been “that guy” that you avoid on the street and in the workplace if you can and that you remain on high alert around if you can’t.
Long time lurker that never commented before, but I wanted to say thank God you people exist. I have two close friends that are Trump supporters and I can’t handle it. I have to come here and read the comments to keep my sanity.
Jon ought to be disgusted by the hateful rhetoric Dumpty uses at his rallies.
I can see why his daughter hates him.
hmmmm kinda wonder if she’s talking to her father these days
i mean, she works with victims of rape in war situations and stuff. she cofounded an initiative on women’s rights at the london school of economics.
my dad’s not a liberal and i am, but man if he had a public stature and spent it saying the kind of hurtful, moronic crap voight does, i’d be beating my head against a wall.
I thought conservatives didn’t do outrage? I thought they were all thick skinned, not afraid to tell hit how it is and it is all just a joke don’t you know?
Bunch of pussies
Jon Voight means Donald’s actions didn’t hurt HIM. Which means they didn’t hurt anyone.
No wonder Angelina doesn’t talk to him
Just to begin, I am a registered independent, and have voted the office and not the party since I was 18 years old. As a political science student, I always heard the phrase “when you’re young and have a heart you’re a democrat…and when you’re old and have a brain, you’re a republican”….while I do believe that in some respects rings true, I still have reservations about both parties. This election I will vote Trump with conviction. I believe he is exactly what this faltering country needs. I also call BS on all of the democrats being so “horrified” and “traumatized” by the private recordings recently released. May I remind you that you are the same folks who delight in a raunchy episode of Game of Thrones each week, a violent Ray Donovan, and a quick read of Fifty Shades of Grey. You can’t have it both ways, people. This is real life. People say and do inappropriate things. Open your minds, and stop hiding behind your “trigger points”.
Please do not feed the troll, people.