As we just discussed in a previous post, TMZ reported just hours before Brad Pitt’s Allied premiere that Brad has been “cleared” of all charges in the eight-week DCFS investigation into his conduct on that private plane back in September. The details were always rather fuzzy, but there was an argument between Brad and Angelina, and it got so bad that Maddox tried to get in between them. Brad and Maddox might have gone nose-to-nose and Brad might have struck Maddox in some way, perhaps accidentally, perhaps not. What was supposed to be an investigation into just the plane incident ended up being extended for several weeks as DCFS allegedly investigated further incidents within the family. But now Brad has been cleared. And following that announcement, Angelina’s rep released a statement:
Angelina Jolie is chomping at the bit to prove Brad Pitt abused at least one of his kids, and she thinks the divorce judge will believe her allegations and limit Brad’s custody. TMZ broke the story … the L.A. County Dept. of Children and Family Services has closed its child abuse investigation into an incident on a private jet between Brad and 15-year-old Maddox.
Angelina has filed for primary physical custody of the 6 kids … Brad has responded, saying he wants joint custody. Sources connected with Angelina say she feels the kids would be at risk if Brad gets joint custody, and if he doesn’t drop his claim she’ll present evidence to the divorce judge that Brad has committed abuse.
A rep for Angelina tells TMZ, “Angelina said from the beginning that she felt she had to take action for the health of the family and is relieved that after their 8-week involvement, the DCFS is now satisfied the safeguards are put in place that will allow the children to heal.”
The rep adds there’s a legal agreement in place, signed by both sides, in which Angelina currently has primary physical custody and Brad has monitored visitation. As we reported, however, that agreement was in place only during the DCFS investigation. Now that the investigation is closed, Brad and Angelina will have to duke it out before the divorce judge.
It’s true, I believe, that now that the DCFS investigation has been concluded the table has been set for a major custody battle. This is why both Brad and Angelina spent weeks assembling their legal and crisis-management teams in those first weeks – because both sides knew it would probably come to this. I don’t know what to make of TMZ’s sources saying that Angelina has “evidence” that Brad committed abuse, especially if she didn’t give that evidence to DCFS, you know? Ugh. The only thing I can say for sure is that I’m absolutely positive this is going to get uglier before it gets any better.
Photos courtesy of WENN.
Release the evidence, girl! Brad should be exposed for what he did and not portrayed as the good guy.
What evidence? TMZ is upset since weekend that they didn’t get the last statement from her rep. Read what her rep said, not what TMZ said to advance their “war” story! Angelina repeated over and over that sole custody is not a permanent goal!
It kind of is a war of sorts albeit an organized and structured one. His next move will be a Request for Order re child custody. A hearing will be set but before the hearing mediation is required. The ball is in her court. She has the opportunity to strike a deal to share custody. I don’t believe he is a danger to his children and if mediation is unsuccessful to that end, a judge will order that he have shared unsupervised access. Put on your big girl panties. It’s hard splitting children but it’s inevitable in divorce.
You are believing what the source said to TMZ which contradicts the rep statement smh
If she had this evidence and did not give it to DCFS wouldn’t that be obstruction of justice and really pointless if the objective is to protect the children. Not buying it because it makes no sense
Agree, respect. Whatever evidence or whatever she has, she’s presented it to DCFS. This isn’t some cover up conspiracy.
She doesn’t care about the health of the Family. Any évidence should have been submitted to dcfs. She has none. She thinks those kids belongs to her. So sad for them.
The fact that the childcare professionals decide that’s it’s in the best interest of the kids for them to be with Angie is Telling!..I actually feel Angie has protected Brad all this time & she could have said more in her statement sent on Monday,but ofcourse Angelina is the Bad person in this..even though time & time again she’s said it was for her kids wellbeing!..Much Respect Angelina!.
The “childcare professionals” you speak of are DCFS, who initially recommended Jolie get temporary sole custody until the investigation was complete–not forever and certainly not on any sort of permanent basis. Now that Brad has been cleared of wrongdoing, the courts will decide custody. It is VERY unlikely that California will give her sole physical custody going forward.
The agrrement was made just days before he was cleared so I am absolutly sure that they only close the case after that agreement was possible. It is how things Works. DCFS wants the best for the children and for now the best is the agreement they made.
@ANA
No, the agreement was NOT made just days before DCFS cleared Brad. The agreement was made at the start of the investigation and then extended to allow DCFS to complete their inquiry.
Of course Angelina was going to have the children while the investigation was ongoing. There were allegations against Brad and it would be unwise to have the children with him at that time. Supervised visitations with Brad were the best way to go so that everything was on the up and up and no allegations could be made in the vein of he said/she said.
Ana-
DCFS closed their investigation meaning they found no evidence of abuse. They don’t close cases because they like a custody agreement. They only care about the agreement and arrangement while they conduct their investigation. They have no legal authority to set or enforce custody arrangements. The fact they closed the case means they won’t oppose joint custody. You can’t get DCFS to drop an investigation based on a non-legally binding, unenforceable parenting plan. That is not how it works. If you think about it for a second you will see why it wouldn’t make sense for them to operate that way. People could just lie to get them to go away. They are no longer part of this mess. Now the parents have to reach an agreement or a family judge has to decide.
If she didn’t care about the health of her family she would have stayed with his ass even longer and coddled him. There actually is written evidence in an interview that he did that he has been negligent before with Zahara, that he admitted to. I cannot recall the magazine article that it was printed in, but he said it.
Something happened on that plane that forced her to leave his ass. And a lot of people are going out of their way to normalize any sort of abuse as if it is ok. Just because it happened to you when you were a teenager or you or your spouse have gotten into your kid’s faces does not make it ok.
Coddling him was not in the best interest of a “healthy” family if he was being negligent. And the article you talk about states that he had a couple of beers, there was ice on the floor, Zahara put it in her mouth and choked. Whether she choked on the ice or the fact it started melting and the water went down too fast and she “choked” on it is not clear. BTW, this can happen even when you have not been drinking.
@Swak
“Coddling him was not in the best interest of a “healthy” family if he was being negligent. ”
Agreed. That is why she left him, took the kids, and filed for divorce.
“And the article you talk about states that he had a couple of beers, there was ice on the floor, Zahara put it in her mouth and choked. Whether she choked on the ice or the fact it started melting and the water went down too fast and she “choked” on it is not clear. BTW, this can happen even when you have not been drinking. ”
But it did happen while he was drinking, so he should not be let off the hook for being negligent. He was drinking alone while the young girl was in the house with him. Did he not know she was there? Did she sneak into the house after hours? Does she have an invisible blanket like Harry Potter? It would be different if he was making her food or reading and she began to choke on the piece of ice while he was not looking. The situations are not the same. His reason for being distracted in that scenario I mentioned is the problem.
@swak
I don’t know why you’re going out of your way to try to disprove a point Brad was making himself: that he really had to cool it with getting high and drinking as the kids could get into trouble and he’d be useless.
He went on to discuss his being high and his kid choking on an ice cube.
What exactly are you trying to dispute?
Yes kids choke on ice cubes regardless, but his point was you may not be able to remedy the situation and save their life if you’re drunk.
Sheesh
She is her mother and from what we know even from pictures those children adore her. So yes. those are her children and please stop saying what is best to them or not. They are not your children. Your are not their mother so STFU.
If we are to believe Angelina is lying, we must also believe that Wasser and Judy Smith are also aiding her in a massive smear scandal against Pitt. SMH.
Greata, did you ever watch Scandal ? If it is based on Judy Smith, as has been stated, that is what the Olivia Popes of the world do (smear).
Um, Laura Wasser had no problem smearing Amber Heard. And Judy Smiths job is to smear people. So thats not a strong argument
No one is saying that she isn’t their mother. Love and other strong emotions cloud judgement. She is human and fallible. “Mother always knows best” is sort of like “the customer is always right”, it sounds nice but it isn’t always true and has been used to justify some pretty abhorrent behavior in general.
@Ana. Your comment was uncalled for and since we have the same name I’m making a point to say that I would never address someone in this way. Please don’t mistake me for someone who would yell at someone what you yelled. P.S. A fathers love is important to his children and those children clearly adore their father as well.
@Ana
You aren’t their mother or in any way associated with this matter, so take your anger and let it out in a healthy way. I love yoga. Maybe you should try it.
Ms. Ana: I could not have said this better if I tried.
Babs – I totally agree. She is doing scorched earth policy. She thinks the kids are hers, and hers alone. But legally and in every other way, Brad has just as much right to his children as she does.
I agree Babs.
If she really cared about the health of her family she would have negotiated this out differently, quietly.
She wants to embarrass him and make him pay.
What makes Angelina look bad is her past. I am not saying Brad is a golden boy but he wasn”t at an award show inappropriately kissing his brother, playing with knives and carrying viles of blood.
This scorch earth with Brad brings back all the old actions and makes me feel like the last 10 years have been great PR on her part.
Yep.
The Brad Pitt fans transforming themselves in Hens LOL Not even Aniston would ever thought that to be possible. She is vindicated
Here’s the thing. I don’t give a shit about her past and a judge won’t either. It’s many, many years in the past. What a judge will care about is if one parent is trying to alienate the other by releasing misleading statements to the press. I thought Angelina’s first statement on Monday was questionable, but after the one yesterday, I think she is playing dirty to sway opinion. She may want to take heed if that is indeed what she’s doing. Kelly Rutherford went down this path and now she has to visit her kids at their dad’s house.
Ana: what has Jennifer Aniston got to do with this?
Is it a given that if one doesn’t agree with Angelina’s actions then one is automatically a Jennifer Aniston fan and vice versa?
Why even go there? Why can’t the two women be held accountable for their individual actions without invoking the other woman?
LE. IT .GO!!
LOL comparing Kelly to Angie is the best one I heard for a long time. And no. You wish that but wont happen.
+1
Yeah. Her entire strategy has been based on humiliating him. That first statement about splitting up for the health of the family was chum for the media and she knew it. She basically pinned a bullseye on her kids for the paps. Why did she even give a reason, I would have just confirmed the filing and let the investigation play out. I tend to believe the woman in situations like this but something’s wrong here. The longer this goes, the more self serving media machinations she pulls, the less I like her.
I agree with Goats. I’ve held off voicing any opinion on this tragic situation from the start, but cmon, this smear campaign is hurting the kids and depriving them of their father.
And ffs, people, enough with the Aniston references. Sheesh.
Maybe because their is no evidence to sumbit to DCFS and no evidence to present to a divorce judge. Why would her lawyer let her sit on evidence during the investigation? That doesn’t make sense.
It doesn’t, because it is obviously made up by TMZ.
I don’t believe the TMZ source on this. She would be extremely foolish to go to court with evidence dismissed by DCFS and if it hadn’t been presented during the investigation then that raises huge questions too. I also think that the couple of statements released by Angelina’s rep were cleverly worded spin. They suggest that Brad was only cleared because of the steps he had taken since she filed for divorce and that he would have to continue with monitored visits until he was all mended. The wording is all important, but to me that wouldn’t clear him of wrong doing. I am starting to think that they are playing with words, implying that that the DCFS concluded at the end of their investigation that monitored visits were required, when in fact there has simply been a continuation of the precautions taken at the start. After so much upset I am sure a gradual implementation of shared custody would be the best approach, but not necessarily because Brad has issues. For a start they need to agree a parenting plan before they move back in with him or it will be chaos. This shouldn’t need to go to court if Brad has really been cleared.
Well said, Jellybean!
Babs
Yes they are her kids and she has the right to protected them. I don’t think she would have done what she did if something really bad happened in the plane. She’s facing the whole world for her kids the tabs most of the media go read the comments section on every sit they are all blaming her they are calling her names.
Kudos for her for standing for herself and and her kids
The kids are THEIRS-not just hers. Brad has been cleared after extensive investigation & interviews with all involved, even the children. So what is she standing up for?
I agree @BonnieJean. The use of ‘her kids’ in this situation makes her look very possessive, whether or not that’s the intention. They are ‘their’ kids, shared between the mother and father. Pitt’s parental rights are not terminated and not in danger of being so.
Both parents get to decide what’s best for the health and well-being of their mutually shared children. Not just one parent, no matter how upset they are or pissed off at the other parent.
It’s Pitt and Jolie splitting up, -not- their kids. The adults are making this decision and ending their relationship. The children are not splitting from either one of their parents or each other.
Thank you Ramy. A voice of reasoning.
I’m with you, Babs. Go get em, Brad. Joint custody.
Why did these people have kids? Yeah, I think this is going to get ugly. Well at least we know there is good chance of getting some meaty tell-alls in the future from these kids.
I predict that Brad will find someone younger and much less famous (probably an actress or singer) as his next long term partner. Angie will end up with someone outside the business probably related to her work with the UN.
I doubt he is going to have another long-term partner. More like flings than relationships.
WOW!! Sounds like Angie is not going to give up on this. She wants to win. If she does have evidence, it should have been brought forward to DCFS. I can’t believe she is acting like this. She should be working with Brad for the health of her family. He is not asking for sole custody — he is asking for joint. He wants to co-parent. What is it that she really wants? Control? This makes Angie look bad.
Omg, she never said that! Read the statement she released, not he TMZ cr*p! She stated from the beginning that she doesn’t want permanent sole custody!
Actually she did in her court filings. Solo custody for her and visitations for him. His response is joint custody.
@sarar
Thank you. +1
All of these people creating fiction out of whole cloth to smear Angelina could easily be fact checked if people would just read the filing.
She’s never wanted *full permanently custody* she wants their father to have joint physical but because of the incident on the plane, a possible alcohol problem, investigation and witnesses – her getting *temporary* physical custody while that process completed and they got counseling was imperative.
It’s not complicated people.
Sure you can make ish up regarding Angelina and her motives as has always happened, but the truth always comes out and 10 x out of 10 it’s not Angelina with egg on her face.
When Brad comes out and discusses or infers how he’s effed up, you’ll be eating crow.
@Lak She filed for sole physical custody. We saw that in the divorce documents. But when she filed, many of her sources said it was temporary not permanent. And the part about her having evidence to make Brad look bad, is BS. Why? If she had evidence, it would have already been presented during the 8 week investigation. No evidence was found because Brad was cleared.
@Sara R. So many people on here are either anti-Angelina and anti-Brad. Brad is being compared to Chris Brown and Angelina to Kelly Rutherford. People are even bringing up her past to say why they think shes being vindictive.
I think the only part of her past that’s relevant in all this is the way she was raised. Her mom essentially had full custody and made her two kid her best friends and the center of her world. Which was fine with her father but clearly Brad is not fine with it. Things from childhood and lessons learned from watching your parents pop up as you raise your kids. Some repeat the cycle, some go full tilt the opposite way, and for many it is a combination of both.
This will be uglier than the Depp/Heard divorce. And am not buying the ‘she has evidence’ as if she did she should have given it to the proper authorities who investigated the claims. If she suddenly produces evidence to the divorce judge that she didn’t give to the DCFS then that makes her look very very bad not to mention behaving in an almost illegal way – meaning she didn’t fully co-operate with the investigation and intentionally withheld evidence. I think TMZ is as usual making things up to stir the pot.
I don’t doubt she was freaked by what happened on the plane, acting in the best interests of their children and that he has issues. He needs to get help for his substance abuses and who knows he might be getting that help in private. I guess everything will come out in the wash.
If he stopped using for eight weeks, cold turkey and during one of if not the most stressful eight weeks of his life he isn’t physically or psychologically addicted to either.
TMZ is a shit-stirrer.
Yes! They are not showing any consistency on the reporting of this custody issue at all. Their headlines are click baits.
Yep, I doubt that these sources even exist. They are mad at Angelina and want to destroy her.
A lot of people tried to destroy her in the past and she always come stronger. What doesnt kill me makes me stronger.
Ana in this thread is Angelina. Yes, I’ve read about how you post on your own threads, complete with the lols.
I read that too hunter, with undisputable receipts.
You thought she had something else to do with 6 kids to take care of without nannies… lol… Mother of the year… NOT
The case is closed, they’re divorcing now. Next year we will get a joint statement which says that they have joint custody etc.
this. and we all will move on.
I am sure they will have joint custody. Thats the best for everyone. She can move on and find the hapiness she desserves. Pitt never gave the hapiness she needed. She looked miserable thin all the years she was with him. She only stay with him because of the children but that had to come to an end. happy for her.
I don’t think Angie gave Pitt the happiness he needed either. Pitt looked pretty miserable the whole time as well.
She was the one who gave him the children he so wanted. So at least he should be happy for that. If he was unhappy so great for him but the fact is she dumped him as he dumped Aniston. Hope he finds the love of his life LOL
It is not Brad’s job to give Angie happiness just as it is not her job to give Brad happiness. If either one has not been happy for a long then he/she should have ended this a long time ago.
+1
Hasn’t it been said that Brad likes his women thin? I remember a girlfriend or something mentioning that she lost weight for him because of it.
But yes, if they both were miserable, it should have ended a long time ago.
I’ve never heard that before and he fell in love with Angelina in 05, she didn’t get really skinny until the last couple of years.
I don’t understand what safeguards are ‘now in place’ by DCFS’ – I thought those temporary custody arrangements were only in place pending the closure of the investigation. Surely now it’s a legal matter?
I paused there too. Seems a like a pointed reminder that even though he’s cleared, something still went down and the kids need both need protection and to heal. The phrasing struck me as a bit manipulative, but I’m sure emotions are running high.
The statements released by Angelina’s reps this week–not the possible shit stirring of TMZ–have been really bothersome. The one released on Monday was, I thought, very poorly worded and made it seem as if Brad had been ruled to be abusive/dangerous to his kids. It made no mention that the agreement between Brad and Angelina was temporary and subject to the conclusion of the DCFS investigation. I thought it was ill-advised at best. Since her rep issued his statement yesterday and she’s doubling down on her narrative, I think she’s not being totally above-board.
“Angelina said from the beginning that she felt she had to take action for the health of the family and is relieved that after their 8-week involvement, the DCFS is now satisfied the safeguards are put in place that will allow the children to heal.”
Not once does her rep mention the investigation is closed or that Brad was cleared of wrongdoing, and this “safeguards” and “heal” business makes it seem like Brad cannot be trusted around his kids. It’s also kinda dumb because DCFS closed their investigation because no abuse could be substantiated. DCFS isn’t making any more recommendations on “safeguards” because they’re done.
@goats on the roof Not once does her rep mention the investigation is closed or that Brad was cleared of wrongdoing.
I read somewhere her rep said Angelina is relieved the investigation is over.
I know certain people on here and other gossip sites want to paint her as vindictive b*tch and Brad as a child abuser, but this is getting out of hand. I hope Brad, Angelina, and the kids can recover from this situation.
I agree GOTR. I was prepared to give Jolie the benfit of the doubt in the beginning but she seems to be playing this very vindictively and parental alienation is extremely damaging to children. IF she was genuinely concerned about the health of the family, she would not have made this public at all. Brad may have issues but this is not the way to deal with them. The DCFS has recommended that they all have therapy, both as a family and individually, which suggests that neither of the parents are blameless here and they need some help with their parenting skills. Sounds to me like it has been a toxic relationship and I hope the whole family can heal.
The wording of these statements from Angelina are indeed manipulative. They strongly imply that the children are traumatized by their father, and completely ignore any actual findings.
At first I didn’t know what to think of all this, but now I feel sorry for Brad.
Also don’t forget not even his rep not denying Angie rep statement but sources are talking which are not official
For the time been the kids are with her, & have therapy sessions with their father
It show that the kids are not emotionally ready
Until they stable & ok with their father after then they can do co-parents
And this is exactly what she stated. All this other stuff is just written by TMZ so they could outrage people!
TMZ is a mess. They are printing everything and anything with no consistency.
they went though all types of gossips and they rarely use their reps. they should keep doing just that: keep quiet and working it out away from the public. i understand that no parent wants to look like the evil twin especially when CPS is involved but for the sake of their family/children no need to feed the public opinions because at the end of the day speculations hurt the parents for a while but more for the kids in the long term. they shouldn’t care much and give a chance for the kids to settle in a different family unit. wanting to tell your side of the story most of the time just make it nastier for both parties.
I agree Angie is doing what she needs to for the kids. But if she is holding onto evidence that she didn’t turn over to the FBI or DCFS then what is she even doing?
The evidence thing is nonsense made up for clicks and outrage towards Angelina. The statement from her rep, and only that, should be taken as truth.
I don’t think either of them come out of this well esp not with playing all this out in public right from the start! There are 6 kids involved, they should be the only priority, not smearing each other with “leaks” and “sources” which both camps are guilty of . They should shut this down, and do it all behind closed doors. Divorce/custody battles are never easy for a child , let alone one where the public is watching, and every tom, dick and harry is giving their opinion about it, esp when some of those kids are old enough to be able to read all this !
I think Angelina felt the need to make statements every time Brad had his “sources” make it seem like Angelina is in the wrong. She has got to clear her name which is insane because she’s not the one who did something to the kids to make them feel afraid.
Also I don’t beleive Brad’s “sources”because why not just make an official statement? Angelina’s side appears more legit because she has her lawyer speaking for her.
I beleive she has the truth on her side and brad is simply on damage control for his movie premiere. Just more proof of what really matters to him and it’s not his family…
Well Brad did file for joint custody. Maybe he thinks that action speaks for itself. It shows the investigation is closed and he’s ready to spend more time with his kids.
BTW I’m not taking sides. I don’t know what happened. I just don’t think that the lack of official updated by Brad means that he’s guilty. If anything, I think all the statements that Angelina is releasing are not helping her. It’s making her look a bit shady.
We don’t need a million updates. Just release a statement at when you file for divorce and then maybe a statement when the divorce is settled.
To me it looks like she is defending herself againts slander made by brads”sources” … the fact that he has not made a statement does prove that he doesn’t have facts on his side … he’s just letting “sources” talk for him and that makes HIM look shady because the info coming from those sources is not official and can be changed at anytime.
A DM article has a headline about him at a premier last night and he is saying, “it’s nice to see all the support.” Is that not shade towards Angelina?
@Yepisaidit I agree 100%
Until you have to deal with child services based on your husband’s behavior then no one has the right to judge her & how she handled it. The media has completely got stuck in. They have been pro brad from the start. why? Because bad angie is what sells. Golden boy brad doing bad never sells. This is what the press is about. Money. They lie for a living. Just hope it settles down & they can co parent & start repairing their family. As for angie? She has every right to clear her name. In the past 12yrs she has been subjected to a relentless character assassination.
@molly
+100000
And isn’t it ironic that Brad managed to get cleared right before the premiere of his new movie. And isn’t it nice that there is support for him. People you should not forget that something happened on that plane and was instigated by Brad who managed to be drunk, abusive at the same time. I can’t say if he put his hand on one of the children or not, but this did happen and Brad should name it and claim it. I never thought I’d see the day when I’d refer to Pitt as “Teflon Pitt” cause nothing, and I mean nothing, ever seems to stick to him, and I never thought I’d see the day when he’d throw the mother of his 6 children under the bus, drag her through the mud, all in an effort to make himself look better. After being persecuted for being with Teflon Pitt for 12 years, my wish is for Angie to walk away whole and find companionship with someone who adores her and appreciates her. I’m reminded of the old song. . . I wish you flowers in the spring, but most of all, I wish you love. As for Teflon Pitt. .. it almost makes me want to holla like Miss Celia in The Color Purple. . . Until you do right by Angie, everything you touch is gonna crumble”. But that will never happen because Teflon Pitt is a genius when it comes to looking out for himself.
Good to hear Brad was cleared. Angelina’s rep said she was relieved the DCFS investigation was over so that goes against TMZ claim Angelina wasn’t happy with the conclusions made in the investigation. I think Angelina’s lawyers Wasser or Fields need to give them a call because Levin is trying to make her look like a manipulative b*tch that doesn’t think Brad should be cleared of abuse claims.
TMZ said Brad would have to file for divorce on October 20th and that was wrong. Then they said Brad wouldn’t file to prevent drama and Brad did file. I’m pretty sure there are other things they’ve been wrong about. Now, Brad and Angelina need to do what’s best for their family because the media is thirsty for an ongoing custody battle. People are giving TMZ too much credit when their articles are being pulled out of their a**.
You think Brad has nothing to do with what tmz is doing to Angelina ? Lol
It was just a coincidence that they had the “cleared” story that included slanderous quotes about Angelina hours before his premiere. If he’s cleared why does he have to have therapeutic visits and why is Angelina lawyer saying “DCFS is happy with the safegaurds in place for the children” ?
Why did they need safegaurds aka supervised visitation?
Doesn’t look like her statement is saying he’s cleared but more like the children are safe so the investigation is over. It’s easy for brad to get away with lying about being cleared because DCFS won’t confirm or deny– it’s basically brad Pitts “sources” against Angelina official statement. And Angelina has a signed agreement that says she has sole custody so… but so many people want to beleive Angelina is evil and poor Brad is innocent
you got it Yepisaid it. Brad just had the better PR people.
Interesting that, now, Brad Pitt has the ‘better PR people’ when people here and elsewhere were high-fiving each other when Bert Fields and the real-life Olivia Pope were recruited by Angelina. They went to work, clarifying that the FBI was asking Angelina and the kids questions, complete with them re-enacting what went down (per ‘sources), although the FBI indicated initially that they weren’t ‘investigating’ the plane incident.
Let’s be frank… Angelina has always been big on transparency, going back to her ‘wild child’ days. Her mastectomies and ovary removal were her more recent examples, but those disclosures garnered her respect. Whereas Brad has always kept things close to the vest, a behavior many people execute daily and the behavior most people prefer and appreciate, as well.
Something absolutely went down on that plane, but Angelina ‘hinted’ and ‘implied’ this and then went there about substance abuse and rage issues, not offering any concrete timeframe of how long these problems existed, resulting in many, primarily the ‘miss the old Angie’ fanbase, going to work. Brad merely clarified what happened on the plane from his point of view. He then cooperated with the DFCS and the FBI and likely, the DFCS determined that whatever spurred the substance use and rage was not there anymore (likely, Angelina’s presence and the break-up stress were likely a large part of it). Brad’s behavior after his on-plane screw-up is what adults do, if they are interested in putting important things back on track.
Don’t be all butthurt that many people aren’t feeling the Angelina wielding justice on high pose that she, herself, is perpetuating. Children need to see adults make mistakes, apologize and work to make things right versus wielding unyielding punishment, which is, ironically, what Brad was accused of doing to the kids.
Is it just me or does he look detoxed? Like, not bloated and brighter-eyed in that last pic? This is a mess either way and you guys are right..it’s gonna get ugly.
Not just you! I was thinking the same thing. He looks very healthy.
I agree with you KRI, i worked drug and alcohol unit,and he does seem detoxed. And yes you can go out after 28 days in rehab. I believe that’s the agreement, rehab and counseling, they will divorce and the kids will be in her custody with him with unsupervised visits. I dont believe he’s a abusive person,but not very good when he’s drinking. The plane incident probably got out of control and the kids got really scared.
He isn’t botoxed, you can see his mimic wrinkles which weren’t visible last year.
Him filing for the joint custody is the only fact here. The all statements are PR game and maybe we should stop taking them seriously.
His pr team is not denying that Angelina has sole custody and brad has therapeutic visits.
Also his pr team admitted that he “put hands on Maddox because they were nose to nose and the situation was going out of control .”
She doesn’t have sole custody, her team spin it as she has it. During the investigation DCFS suggested that the kids should have stayed with her, and they are going to stay with her until the judge decides or they settle.
Putting hand on your son isn’t abuse, it’s sad that you think that it’s something improper. Madox isn’t cute kid anymore.
They are both indeed, white trash! Only 2 years after the wedding and 12 years together hes abusing the kids. Sure!
Maybe shes also just not the best mum
Troll is as troll does.
The phrase is “champing at the bit”, not chomping. Drives me nuts. Stupid TMZ.http://grammarist.com/usage/champing-chomping-at-the-bit/
If ever I thought “conscious uncoupling” of a pair it would have been these two. Boy was I way off!
The split surprised me, but the manner blows me away every time I think about it.
Brad tried to get her to do it quietly, privately, but she couldn’t wait and still apparently can’t wait. She takes ever opportunity to say the kids are now safe because they are with her. But he was cleared of abuse and appears to be working on his drinking issues. Other than that, there should be no problem giving them joint custody. But then that goes to some of their issues together parenting. She wants to keep them out of school so they can move around wherever she goes and he wants them to have more structured lives. Thus, she wants sole custody. I am hoping for joint custody. Brad is their dad and deserves to share a life with him.
Probably this and other things lead to the problems they seemed to have this year. As the kids grow older, he seems more and more need for them to set down roots and go to school with others and Angelina wants them with her at all times. Angelina’s way doesn’t seem healthy to me. Not for the kids. Might suit her need to be surrounded by her kids but not healthy. for kids.
Do it quietlly? Really? When 3 gov. agencies (dcfs, fbi, cps) are involved?
I think they were discussing divorce and child custody a long time before the incident. Trying to come to terms. As he said in the BTS interviews, she knows him better than anyone. So with her two friends backing her up, they waited for the best time and struck. The intention was sole custody from the beginning. He said in the same BTS interview when speaking of her “I’d trust her with my life”. I guess he will rethink that one. He must feel, rightly or wrongly, betrayed. He apparently thought she had his back as he had hers through all her trials and tribulations. He thought she meant the in sickness and health part of the vows, but the kids should have written that part out. But, this is one of lifes big lessons for him. He won’t be the first person to be wrong about where he puts his trust.
How can they set down roots when their careers have them constantly on the move. If you look at other celebs kids, sometimes they are in school sometimes not. Pulling them in and out of school doesn’t seem stable either.
Most of the celebs children don’t pursue post secondary education.
Friendof… This was my take on things too. I don’t follow as closely as a lot of people here but from the parts I have read and just from what I know about people.
We will see.
@Friend of
Brad didn’t abuse his child, that much is clear. However, something happened on that plane. Something I’m pretty sure Brad had a part in as much as Angelina. I’m a fan of both, but I think it’s time to stopping making Brad the victim in every situation. He took part in causing his family to be invstigated by DCFS. It’s like people are overlooking this fact. And nothing like this could have been done privately when you have a high profile celebrity being involved in a DCFS investigation.
@Sage
I agree. This couple travels nonstop. And in recent years the family has been on location for Brad’s work more than Angelina because he works more than her. So good luck to these two, because both don’t know how to keep their children in one place for too long. Brad’s career takes him all over the world and the kids go with him so unless Brad and Angelina work less, they won’t be putting down any roots.
Might I inquire as to how you know Brad’s wishes and wants?
If we could just drop this “for the health of the family; protection of the kids” crap.
These two arent the first couple to ever get divorced. I don’t understand why they can’t do it a more normal way. Making your divorce about your kids is disgusting. It is pretty obvious to most people that this has nothing to do with the kids but is about a couple that do not get along anymore. Someone should have told Angie that when you divorce, the dad doesn’t divorce the kids… Just the wife.
@Lalu
What are you talking about? We’ve just had 2 now of ongoing evidence that because of a possibly drunk and violent Brad on a plane incident with witnesses calling in (not Jolie) DCFS was investigating along with other law enforcement agencies.
Are you pretending to not know this?
Their job was to rule out a crime. Not, to rule out that Brad is an alcoholic that may need to get his sh* together.
I GET that you and others who are *still not over it* would like to make this only about Brad and Angelina’s falling out of love…as you like to fantasize that they were never happy, never loved each other, etc.
But there’s a whole incident and investigation that happened, and many past inferences that Brad may have just spiraled out of control with an alcohol abuse problem.
I get that doesn’t humiliate Angelina in the way that you’d like her humiliated (scheming selfish bish tearing poor golden Brad Pitt apart and hoarding her kids) but the sole custody was TEMPORARY they said, she wants a healthy non drunk Brad in their lives. I’m sure she’ll get one and this will be settled.
Enough with burning her at the stake and making up your own facts.
Almondmilk… What do you think that I am not over? I get that a lot of you are obsessed with this relationship but not everyone feels that way. I have an opinion based on what has happened. Maybe it doesn’t fit with your ideas but that’s ok. I talk about this couple like I would any other in this situation. I don’t give them some special pass because some how I live vicariously through them.
And I don’t doubt that they loved/love each other. I was saying that you don’t blame your marriage troubles on something to do wit your kids. There may be some here that think that makes her look like mom of the year but out in the real world it looks like she filed for divorce and made this extra dramatic (yes, it was going to be a big story regardless but it’s like no one tried to even down play it to protect their privacy). And yes, it could’ve been down played because Brad didn’t get charged with anything… So I am leaning toward things getting blown out of proportion.
This is the parent’s fault. The marriage is done. I don’t think it will be cute for those kids to read that their parents divorced because of them. Because… As this plays out… We will see… This wasn’t about them.
@lalu
What part of public and happened in front of other witnesses don’t you get? Just what part of the dcfs, fbi, and police investigating could Angelina have kept quiet?
People have said from the start if she wanted Brad in rehab/treatment, the divorce filing and moving out with the children temporarily was a way to force his hand. For all you know she save his life by doing it, and saved his relationships with his kids for sure.
Angelina’s not blaming her kids – where are you getting that? Are you talking about the incident report? How is Angelina gonna stop the clock and turn back time so that Brad doesn’t have his public brawl with Maddox?
It could not have been down played as you suggest- what part of a ‘public incident being investigated by no less than 3 agencies,’ do you not understand?
They’re the most famous couple in the world and he is quite possibly a raging drunk. Her actions were done not to infer a crime, but to get him to clean up and treat his problem if he wanted a healthy relationship with his children.
The kids won’t be reading that their parents divorced *because of them* as you imply – the kids I’m sure are smart enough to figure out their Dad is an alcoholic who needs help.
A decent person doesn’t go around slamming the person deemed responsible custodial parent just because they’re mad she’s not the one in trouble.
Since you’re so concerned about the children how about not besmirching their one responsible solid parent, their mother, who I’m sure is going through a painful time herself.
Enough of this misogyny.
Almondmilk, my dear, I do apologize. You care way more about this than I ever could. And I feel like you must know them better than me. I take it all back.
@almondmilk: “They’re the most famous couple in the world and he is quite possibly a raging drunk.” This is hyperbole to the max, the latter half of the sentence. If Brad Pitt were a ‘raging drunk’ we’d have heard about it long before that solo plane incident. This kind of exaggeration belies belief.
‘their dad is an alcoholic’, ‘…huge brawl with Maddox’. All grant vivid imagery of incidents none of us have any detailed insight into. It adds fuel to fire to the view of AJ trying to manipulate facts, even though to date she’s been relatively quiet sans a few statements.
But the average family doesn’t have the FBI and DCFS investigating them family when they get divorced. It’s like people are ignoring this fact. Somthing happened for them to want to do any investigation. I doubt Brad has abuesd his children which is why he was cleared. But something happened. The family does need to heal. Their lives have been interruputed for eight weeks. The children and the parents were in a delicate place. Other celebrity couples get divorced and they don’t have DCFS investigating their family for eight weeks. This clearly goes far beyond two people getting a divorced. Why do people continue to ignore this fact and act like this is only about Brad and Angelina not liking each other anymore? I think it’s time to take off the rose colored glasses.
TMZ story is b.S. She is keeping proofs and evidences of abuse away from DCFS?. How this looks in a court? It’s a legal trouble herself for not turning over the evidence of a potencial crime. Pretty obvious that is pure and a big b.s.
They will get joint custody, she knows it, he knows it.
Wow @sara
Lot of Angie hate to unpack. Let’s get started. Bottom to top.
Even *IF* she was the schemer you think she is, Brad Pitt’s first marriage was not Angelina’s responsibility to respect. It’s Brad Pitt’s. They were his vows. Given that you seem to think that didn’t happen 12 years ago (yes, TWELVE YEARS!) why are you all FOR “mercy and kindness for Brad Pitt?” You’re willing to absolve him for not respecting his marriage, and he has no responsibility for his own fidelity.
I’m beginning to see why we have Trump for President. As Joy Behar said, men get away with everything, women with nothing…and women let them.
THAT said, all 3 parties said no cheating happened, there was no affair and no infidelity. All three. So see…your outrage and Angelina hate is misplaced. Further, Brad said he went after Angelina. We know that as fact since he followed HER around the globe to England and Kenya and Ethiopia, etc. – not vice versa. SHE didn’t go and camp out in his Malibu beach house. He ran after her.
‘Out of control anger issues? ‘ ‘vindictive? ‘ What is this TRANSFERENCE? LOL i guess you missed the part where there were witnesses to Brad’s being the one ‘angry and out of control.’ How could SHE have kept that quiet if Brad is drunk and angry in public, and people are calling the authorities?
Lastly, if she was as you portray her the kids wouldn’t have been WITH HER (and still are), while Brad’s investigation played out.
When Brad does a mea culpa and Angelina haters once again have egg on their face, i won’t hold my breath waiting for their apology.
What’s shameful is that a mom in the midst of an incident her drunk husband caused has to suffer the usual slings and arrows from types still bitter and not over it.
Too many Chelsea Handlers in this world gave us Trump.
@almondmilk
+ 1000000
@almondmilk
as a mother and woman agree with this ,
Almondmilk: You know when this was first reported, I actually thought this was a misprint. And if Angie were really and truly vindictive, she could have made the arrest, reporting, and everything else worse. What I do find truly strange is how Angie, with six kids, was frantically trying to find lodging for her and BRAD’s children, while I’m guessing he went to his Los Feliz estate. Never mind saying “Honey you and the kids go home, I’ll go stay somewhere else” he didn’t do this? Yet, he loves these kids so much? I’m one of those people who don’t know if they fell outta love with each other, or if one loves the other more, and at this point, I don’t care. But as I said above, Teflon Pitt is coming out smelling like a rose. And in this instance, I do feel “he has a sensitivety chip” missing. The only thing Brad said that kept him up night was worrying about the safety of his children and Angie. Well look no further, Teflon Pitt, you managed to destroy that all by your lonesome. They should file for divorce and both move on. But let’s be fair, this is a 50/50 split. And for once, maybe Brad carries even more responsibility for the divorce.
Is it okay to like neither of them and to start to loathe the way they are dragging each other through the mud? KIDS, care about your kids. SHIT!
As per usual, the tabloid media want sooooo baaaadly for there to be a scandal, and there just isn’t much there.
The relationship broke down, she got out but is working to do what’s best for the kids, which is to have their father in their lives if he behaves well toward them, and have their father out of their lives if he can’t.
It’s not pretty, but it’s also not a rare way for a marriage to end. Lots of people are dealing with exactly this state of affairs with regard to their kids and ex.
WORD.
he looks really good. fresh. upbeat. it almost seems disturbing. like i’d understand if he looked rough because of what he’s going thru.
i wonder when we’ll get a look at her.
Someone upstream mentioned he looked almost botoxed and detoxed? Wonder if that’s where he was during the past few weeks. Cause he surely wasn’t seen around.
The photos from the premiere of “Allied” clearly shows that he’s lost many pounds over the past weeks, compared to stills from that movie. Not only does he look almost scrawny, but his collar and his jacket are too big. He looks good though, and sober.
I voted Hillary. I am surprised by the insults though. Some of those hurling insults at their neighbor were old enough to vote in the Gore/Bush fiasco and some weren’t. We were upset. For me, I felt disenfranchised and as though we’d been robbed and that I was living in a country where I wasn’t in touch with a giant portion of its citizens. Who were these people? This time I do know who they are, live and learn. They are millions of people who don’t think the way I think and how arrogant of me to feel the need to insult their freedom to vote their choice over mine.
a moment of compassion…she needs a psychiatrist to help her with her narcissism I think she cannot see clearly how she is affecting everything around her….the only cure for her bottomless rage is to get help for herself…if she doesnt want to be a narcissist and have everyone run away fromher screaming…she needs to get help and change…the kids won’t supply the love and devotion she needs forever,…they cant be used as replacements for actual friends.. she is making a cult of herself…not good…