One of the most disturbing articles I’ve read in the past week – a week full of tragedy and disgust – is this piece by Masha Gessen. Gessen thoughtfully prepared a list of “rules for survival” in the midst of autocratic rule. It’s depressing that we need to talk to each other this way now, but the piece is absolutely a must-read. Gessen says we need to go into the Trump presidency with our eyes wide open. We must believe that every promise Trump made during his campaign is true, that he will ban Muslims, that he will deport millions of people, that he will empower the Alt-Right and more. Do not rationalize his words and actions. Do not tell yourself that he will be different now that he’s won. He will not be different. And do not count on institutions to save you. The media will get in line. Trump is now in charge of appointing judges, and the judiciary will fall too. Expect this to happen. Do not be surprised. Be outraged.
So, with all that in mind, let’s get to some of the political stories going around.
Harry Reid’s letter. “Harry Reid” was trending on Twitter for most of Friday. Reid – the outgoing Senate minority leader – has no f—ks to give and he’s always openly despised Trump. While other Democrats urged conciliation, Reid laid down the gauntlet: “If this is going to be a time of healing, we must first put the responsibility for healing where it belongs: at the feet of Donald Trump, a sexual predator who lost the popular vote and fueled his campaign with bigotry and hate.” The whole piece is absolutely worth a read.
Who does Hillary blame? The short version is that the Clinton camp blames their defeat on FBI Director James Comey. While I understand that there will be a lot of back-and-forth on this for years to come, I’d just like to say that I think Comey and the pro-Trump faction within the FBI deserve a good chunk of the blame too. While some people are signing petitions suggesting that the Electoral College set aside Trump’s votes, I say that we need to put pressure on Obama to fire Comey and empower a special prosecutor to look into the FBI’s blatant politicization in violation of the Hatch Act.
Trump’s 60 Minutes interview. He made a lot of headlines as clips and quotes came out days in advance. Once again, refer to Masha Gessen’s rules about living in an autocracy. Do not be fooled by Trump saying that he would be willing to keep parts of Obamacare. It’s not going to happen. Do not be fooled by Trump promising to be “very restrained” by how he uses Twitter. He will still be a temperamental toddler, stoking the Alt-Right on their favorite platforms. Do not be fooled by his new conciliatory tone regarding Hillary Clinton. His people want to prosecute her, no doubt. Do not normalize him. Do not rationalize him.
Trump’s new staff. After a chaotic four-day period where Trump demoted Chris Christie as head of his transition team, Trump finally announced two filled positions in his administration. He selected Reince Priebus as his chief of staff – Priebus is the not-well-liked head of the RNC, but he’s pretty establishment. Trump also chose Steve Bannon from Breitbart as his chief strategist. Bannon is an Alt-Right lunatic.
Trump on social issues. In that same 60 Minutes interview, he says gay marriage is fine with him, which I sort of believe, since he wasn’t gay-bashing during the campaign, even if he selected a gay-bashing VP. But Trump wants to end Roe v. Wade. So… yeah. There you go.
The impeachment scenario. Some people are already saying that there are many scenarios in which President Trump could be impeached, possibly even by the Republican-controlled Congress. One professor – who predicted Trump’s victory – says that he believes establishment Republicans in Congress will simply look for a reason to impeach Trump just so they can deal with Mike Pence, someone they know, trust and can control. While I think Mike Pence is an awful person with destructive, vomitous politics, I also think he’s not a temperamental child with a kamikaze streak. Mike Pence isn’t going to start World War III because someone mocked him on Twitter. I’m just saying… looking at a Trump presidency in the orange face, even I think Pence would temperamentally make a better president. Yes, that’s setting the bar really low. But think about the nuclear codes, please.
Photos courtesy of Getty.
The Steve Bannon thing is so egregious – I can’t actually imagine the Republicans will allow it to stand. He’s a slicker David Duke. Of all the things to be frightened about – and there are many – the appointment of Steve Bannon is the biggest.
So far (and it hasn’t even been a week yet).
and the sky is already falling
@Onerous, I agree. And can we NOT call them their cute little name “alt-right”? They are straight-up misogynistic white supremacists. Let’s not sugarcoat it.
+ anti-Semites! Let’s not forget the anti-Semites!
Loathsome people about to run the country.
I agree- if a journalist has to list “alt right” for some reason, then put KKK sympathizer right alongside. I believe impeachment is our only hope. Apart from his loathsome social platform- let’s not forget he’s appointing big oil for the EPA. IF we have not oxygen and no planet earth then forget about social equality. Earth Justice! first!
@Who are these people: Sorry, yes. They are anti-Semites, white supremacists, misogynists, homophobes. They are very dangerous people and should be called out as such.
YES! Words matter.
(I Should have read the thread. Before posting my own comment below.)
And anti semitic to boot. I’m a Jew, my children are Jews and I am now scared on a daily basis.
@Pedro45, I agree about the name. When did “Alt-right” come to be a thing? They are white supremacists, and should be labeled as such.
Some portion of the alt right is staunchly pro Israel. Not all of course, but the evangelical Christian alt right is.
fwiw the first alt right man I spoke with was latino. It’s a bigger tent than the media would have you believe. I say this not to defend them but from a ‘know your enemy’ position.
Trumps daughter Ivanka is Jewish. She converted to marry her husband who is an Orthodox Jew. Also one of his daughter-in-law’s is half Jewish. I have no doubt all he cares about is himself, but if there is one other person in the universe that matters to him, I think everyone would agree that’s Ivanka.
So, even in Trumps, tiny, pea Braun that twists everything to fit his egomaniacal view of the world, was this guy ever a part of his team, not to mention a White House appointee??
This just goes to show on a wider scale that racism and sexism is the norm in America.
I still can’t believe this racist , sexist man is president.
One person on social media said it best. The entire country just got Lucilled by Trump. A perfect reference.
I read he’d appointed Breitbart’s CEO to a lead role and all I could think of was Julius Streicher.
It’s terrifying, what is happening. Surreally so.
As a German, that sent shivers down my spine. I think it’s time for everyone who last week said “Let’s see what he does before we panic.” to realize an ugly truth. It’s time for that panic. He is literally following Hitler’s playbook. That is not an exaggeration at this point.
He most definitely is, right down to wanting to continue huge rallies. 🙁
This. So much THIS.
I still cannot bring myself to watch the evening news. CNN.com used to be my homepage, and I’ve had to change it because I want to scream and cry and do all sorts of useless things. Instead I used the money I was going to spend on a new front door on donations to the ACLU and Planned Parenthood.
And for all the people who didn’t vote, and all the people who believed everything Trump said about Clinton (and nothing he said about himself!): You are going to get exactly what you deserve.
Unfortunately, we’re going to get it too.
I second littlemissnaughty, as I’m also German. This whole thing scares me so. And next year we’ll vote in Germany as well – and our far right party is on the rise, and already present in several federal governments over here. Dark times.
I keep remembering my gradparents who told me lots about the time before Hitler and during the war. There are so many parallels, it’s scary. Let’s just not keep silent. Let’s be vocal about our beliefs. Let’s not give up.
I KNOW! This has made me extremely upset.
Basically Trump is saying “EFF YOU” to anyone that didn’t vote for him. I cannot stomach people normalizing this appointment. W.T.F.? Why do I keep watching Morning Joe? He and Mika are the worst with this normalization garbage.. And they should STFU with the “Oh the liberals are such elitists” line. The way you two keep dismissing the REAL concerns of people who are afraid of this Presidency is elitist too.
Sorry but I’m still REELING from this appointment. And anyone who finds it funny that people are upset the President’s Chief Strategist is a white nationalist internet troll is a garbage person and a hypocrite. Because you know damn well you would be freaking out if Hillary appointed a black nationalist to such a close advisory role. This is NOT OK in any way shape or form. We really need to speak out now. Call our Congressmen and Congresswomen. Let them know this will not stand.
I read a very good twitter thread on how to get attention from your Congressional representatives: https://twitter.com/editoremilye/status/797243415922515970
At the beginning of Obama’s presidency, the media freaked out over his association with Jeremiah Wright. With Trump, however, most of them are yawning over Steve Bannon. The NY Times just labeled him a “media provocateur”
Let’s just hope it doesn’t stick. Trump has already shuffled people so it’s not hard to imagine him doing the same with Bannon.
Trump is loyal to those who are loyal to him. Period. End of story. Bannon is there to stay. Which is completely horrifying.
and newt gingrich is all over the news saying trump isn’t associated with the alt-right and it was made up by the media. STEVE BANNON IS THE ALT-RIGHT! there was a great article in time magazine about how white nationalists “supremacists, KKK members” and men’s rights activists (hahah i laugh every time) have championed trump as their own. it was terrifying.
@Shura – the reason so many evangelicals are pro-Israel is because it’s part of the prophecy that brings about the Second Coming of Jesus and the eventual rapture. It’s not about being pro-Jewish. (Speaking of which, for the record, one of the big differences between the Torah and the Koran vis a vis the story of Abraham/Ibrahim is the Covenant between Abraham and Gd where the Big Deity promises Abraham the Land of Israel and to make his descendants “as numerous as the stars.” It’s in the Torah but not the Koran, one reason a lot of Muslims have no context for why that particular location for a Jewish state is so significant. The stories – Jewish version (Torah) is Abraham as Isaac’s father and the Koran (Muslim) is Ibrahim as Ishmael’s).
Abraham was father of both Isaac (from Sarah) and Ishmael (from Haggar). Jews are the descendants of Abraham through Isaac and Muslims are his descendants through Ishmael.
I signed the electoral petition and I want Comey jailed. Not a resignation, jailed.
He should only be jailed if they can prove that he and others colluded to get Dump elected. If they can prove that, I agree.
Where is that hacker group “anonymous” when you need them?
I disagree. We don’t need to prove Comey colluded to get Trump elected. Just that he impacted the election. Please see below for excerpts from the OSC.gov.
The Hatch Act generally applies to employees
working in the executive branch of the federal
government. The purpose of the Act is to maintain
a federal workforce that is free from partisan
political influence or coercion.
________________________
A Covered Employee:
May not be a candidate for nomination or
election to public office in a partisan election.
May not use his or her official authority or
influence to interfere with or affect the result of
an election.
Some people claiming to be a part of anonymous have been posting pro-trump propaganda on youtube. At this point, the “truth-seekers” seemed to be brainwashed, as well. Where were they before this BS election? Why was HC the only one being “hacked?”
Anonymous turn out to be complete fanboys of Julian Assange and therefor Donald Trump was and is completely safe from them.
Anonymous is not the group they used to be. I used to follow them but then when I realized they are STAUNCHLY anti-vax and overall very right-wing…I lost interest. So yeah trust me, if anything they’re glad Trump won.
@Denise, yes that is absolutely correct. Comey and his people all need to be investigated, but they are the FBI! I’d be surprised if that ever happened – but it should!
What website is the petition at? I need to sign it.
https://www.change.org/p/electoral-college-electors-electoral-college-make-hillary-clinton-president-on-december-19
Anyone who will have any pull in the White House is going to be an alt-right lunatic. I’m terrified. Once we hand over the power I fear it is gone. I think they will try to be conciliatory until then.
Can’t even trust social media anymore. Guys we are screwed. Join a grassroots group at a local level. We will have to win the inevitable war from within.
I am stunned, really STUNNED, by the garbage heap of people he has selected. They were all in the Republican dumpster – Chris Christie? Newt Gingrich? Paul Ryan? – and he resurrected them. OMAROSA, for God’s sake. Expect Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann soon. I can’t believe these revolting people exist, let alone will be the canal running the country.
Yes, appalling. But between these loonies and the more conventional Republicans don’t you think they will tear each other apart? We can only hope.
Palin is in.
Are there any ‘conventional Republicans’ left who aren’t complicit? I haven’t seen them rise up in resistance yet. All I see is the White Supremacist/Anti-Semite Party in disguise.
He said he would get all the best people, because he knows all the best people (and words). What he meant to say was that he would hire all the people who were loyal to him regardless if they are qualified. Did you see the interview with Omarosa where she said the Trump campaign has a list of all the people who were critical or mocked Trump? Creating an enemies list already! How Nixon of him!
I am stunned by what was reported in today’s Wall Street Journal. When Trump met with Obama he was described and being surprised by the scope of the president’s job and did not know that all of the West Wing staff would need to be replaced at the end of Obama’s term.
Yeah I’m the type of person to tell everyone to calm the f*ck down when I see this type of wide-spread panic but this is the rare instance where I find it completely justified. I truly believe that Trump’s presidency will be a nightmare of catastrophic proportions.
Yes, this is not hysteria. This is reality. The FACTS and events speak for themselves. All you need to know is your history.
Yes kitten, I agree. In this instance, predicting horrific scenarios with this man as president, is not unreasonable IMO. I’m scared. And I am so afraid people will normalize this man so they can stop worrying and not feel fear. The Masha Geshen article says everything and I think she is spot on.
I agree with you, and I’ve been sick with anxiety about it since Tuesday night :(. Several people have said to me, well maybe let’s just give him a chance. NO. Americans need to be hyper-vigilant now. All a person needs to do is look at his 100 day plan, listen to the things he’s SAID he’s going to do, look at what all the powerful republicans in DC want (Ryan, McConnell et al), and realize this is going to be a terrifying disaster. Just using basic economic principles of what he wants to do, at the VERY LEAST, there will be another recession.
I went to renew my Green card last May, when it expired. Homeland Security wants $450 to renew it (for ten years). There was a blurb on there that you didn’t have to renew it, but you can’t come back in the country unless you have a current card. As I wasn’t planning to leave the country, I let it be. $450 is a huge increase. I don’t even recall paying for one before. Anyway, I figured I’d do it when I next went back to Britain.
Well, let’s just say I started the process last week. I do not want to have an expired card after January 20.
Trump is setting up a power struggle within his administration. Appointing those on the extreme alt-right may actually work to keep establishment GOP from letting him have what he wants. It’s easier to see and fight against a recognizable enemy and Bannon is the enemy to many, if not most of the GOP.
I actually have more hope that Trump will be stonewalled by his own party with Bannon’s appointment.
Remember the historian that has correctly predicted the outcome of the election since 1984? He also predicted that Trump would be impeached. The GOP wants Pence in there, not Trump, so I’m expecting things to be tense in his Trump’s chaotic administration.
I too have been telling people the last few days, given all the scenarios, Trump will not make it 4 years. Of course, the alternative is even more terrifying… Pence wants a theocracy ya’ll. Be very afraid.
What does everyone think? How long will it take for the Repubs to oust Trump? Before inauguration? 6 months? My guess is a year.
Also, what will he be ousted for? I hope you are right, but I also agree that Pence is a nightmare. At least he is less likely to start a nuclear war…..
Bonzo, sound argument with reason and logic. Here’s why that probably won’t happen: The GOP is spineless and they want to keep their jobs. Going against Trump would ENRAGE his supporters who the GOP needs. The GOP is already falling all over themselves to defend Bannon. Since the election I have not heard a single member of the party be even slightly critical of Bannon. Most republicans are saying they never even heard of the alt-right and that name was created by liberals. Bannon is being appointed to a position where congress doesn’t have to confirm him, unlike Chief of Staff where congress does have to approve it. As long as Trump tows the party line in a couple of instances, I think the GOP is going to give him a ton of room to do what he wants.
I don’t know, Melly. I know a lot of GOP who held their nose and voted against Hillary. Those who will be working with the new administration are going to hold their tongue until it’s time to get to work and then I expect we’ll be seeing various camps emerge. The establishment aren’t in favor of the alt-right and I have little doubt they know what it is. Time will tell, but I’m convinced they don’t want the GOP veering any further to the right, lest they bring on a Democratic overhaul in 2-4 years. I’m expecting a lot of in-fighting while Trump/Bannon are in office.
That’s a reasonable scenario, Bonzo. The proverbial “They” aren’t a united front. Many factions are involved and I think we’re watching those factions have at it. Similar to the Snowden issue.
Bonzo, you could totally be right. I’ve been wrong so many times about this election, what the hell do I know. I have no doubt that different camps will emerge, but I think they’ll be about as effective as the never-Trump movement. I see the GOP going all in on Trump.
I too could be wrong. But I came out of the GOP eight years ago and 95% of my friends and family are in that camp. The majority of GOP are moderates who tolerated Trump as the what they saw as the lessor of two evils. They aren’t the vocal minority that are spewing hate and anger on social media. I’m holding out hope that the politicians that want to keep their jobs will be seeking to reign Trump in, not encourage his extreme views.
Make your voice known by calling congressional reps to tell them your concerns. And as pointed out below thread, follow it up with letters. It can make a difference in how hard lawmakers push back on policies you see as dangerous to the democracy.
I couldn’t agree more about contacting your reps with phone calls and letters. It’s our job to keep government accountable. I have no patience for apathy or laziness.
http://www.attn.com/stories/12768/former-congressional-staffer-explains-how-to-make-congressman-listen
I’m in my fifties, and there has been no time in my lifetime this frightening in this country. The alt-right and the theocratic religious lunatics are taking over. Mike Pence may seem like a saner choice than Trump, but I truly believe that he’s just as bad if not even worse. He’s a true homophobe and has no problem at all blowing right past the establishment clause that provides separation of church and state. And with the appointment of Steve Bannon as chief white house strategist, Trump is showing us that he’s not changing in any way, he’s digging in.
Mike Pence frightens me more as an individual than Trump does. Trump is a narcissistic egomaniac who did whatever he could to win. He scares me for what he brings out in others. Pence has a kind of cold intelligence about him that has always unsettled me. I fully believe he went into the VP banking on Trump getting impeached so he could grasp power, knowing he could never win a national election. Very disturbing man.
Can we consider not using his picture on posts about him? Pajiba isn’t using it. It would be nice to read here without seeing his photo. His image is so triggering.
+1
Agree
We need to be triggered. I hate it but the rage must be kept alive. 🙁
I know what you mean, but I think at some point there’s a line between stoking the fire and not normalizing his presidency and abusing ourselves. Reading about him and the fact that he appointed a white surpremacist as his chief strategist is enough to stoke the rage, for me. Seeing his lizard humanoid face is self-abuse.
@Senaber- it makes me sick, but I think I agree with you. We need the constant reminder. We can’t get complacent.
I’ve asked that his ugly mug be blocked out or blurred.
I can’t look at him or speak his name. My mental health time clock was set to “nov 10 no more images of anything that shall not be named forevermore”. So I’m not ready to see or hear any scrap of it- I just need to hear what action I can take to preserve democracy.
I feel the exact same way. I won’t say his name. If I hear his name on TV, I immediately turn the channel. I consider myself an incredibly rational person, but in this, I have become irrational. I will not acquiesce to this mockery.
I hear his name or see his face and my hands immediately make obscene gestures.
I’d rather look at a scary clown…and I hate clowns!
I can’t bear to look at any images of any of those monsters. Why not use caricatures instead?
Honestly, these kinds of statements are what the alt-right used to ridicule us left-leaners. I understand what you mean by not wanting to see his smug, ugly face (who does?!!) but saying we should hide his pictures because they are triggering, makes us look like the weak unable-to-handle-real-life liberals that the alt-right paints us as. There’s people who are forced to look upon war and violence and starvation every day. I think we should be expected to handle seeing someone’s photograph.
But what’s the need to show his face on every post? We all know what he looks like.
Who cares what White Supremacists etc. etc. think? Why do we answer to them? Why should our responses be shaped by them? They will mock ANYTHING and make hay of it no matter what is said to suppress free speech; it will always be a set up for a double bind.
The biggest weakness is caring what they think about us all. We already know what they think and their abuse will never stop.
Besides that, a caricature tells them what WE think.
If you can’t handle a picture of Trump then you are too precious for politics. This triggering nonsense is going to get us nowhere.
If we can’t even bare to scroll past a picture of Trump, how are we going to fight the political behemoth he’s spearheading? They’re laughing at your “leftist butt hurt tears” and at some point any objective person would agree.
Who gives a FF if they’re laughing at us? Why do you give them so much power?
While you cry over a triggering picture and dash to the nearest safe space, *They* are moving into the White House. I didn’t give them that power. The oblivious Left did.
Wallowing in bitter self-righteousness gives them the power not the tears of heartbreak.
Please as if Pence is any better. He’s scarier than Trump to me currently.
With this appointment is it now cool for minorities to panic? Because all I’ve seen this weekend is think pieces about “meeting halfway” and “giving trump a chance” and “stop calling all Trump supporters racist”. Yea no I’m not meeting anyone halfway in a racist regime and you might not be racist but you considered racism as something you could accept because jobs.
Basically I’m sick of people coming at minorities as if we didn’t do our part.
I read an article called, “I Voted for Trump, But Now I’m Sad,” which was so rage inducing I could feel my blood pressure rising. The premise was that just because this woman voted for Trump, she still loved her minority friends and was hurt by their hurt about her vote.
Hey lady – this is part of it. You support a bigot, your friends get to be hurt by that.
I pretty much told a few friends to take their hurt feelings elsewhere. For whatever reason they voted for a racist, sexist POS, now they can deal with what that says to me about them.
Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas.
That’s so stupid.
I am all for democracy and tolerance, but I have to wonder whether people with that kind of reasoning or lack of, should be allowed to vote.
I’m just laughing at the white tears. We’re all so butt hurt to be called racist after voting for a racist.
I mean, WE didn’t vote for him but as white people we must shoulder the blame. I’m so disgusted.
@Kitten – Precisely. You colluded to elect a hatemonger and now you’re shocked people would associate you with him? Puh. F-ing. Lease.
As a white woman who supported Hillary, I feel like I should be immediately and constantly apologizing to everyone I see whenever I leave my house.
I don’t even want random strangers on the street thinking for a minute that I am one of the people who helped this happen.
Longtime lurker here. I wanted to say something in response to ALS wondering whether Trump voters “should be allowed to vote”. And what I want to say is that comments like that make me despair because really, at the end of the day, it just goes to show we’re losing the battle for decency, it would appear, from both sides.
I was heartbroken over Brexit (I’m European), and I personally wouldn’t have voted for Trump, but I can never, never support statements like that. It’s just another form of fascism. The left should make our case better, not start musing about how the world would be a wonderful place if only some of our fellow citizens had their political decisions made for them by us.
I understand people are emotional and fearful, but really – ethically, as well as pragmatically – the “they shouldn’t be allowed to vote” will get us absolutely nowhere.
Longtime lurker here. I wanted to say something in response to ALS wondering whether Trump voters “should be allowed to vote”. And what I want to say is that comments like that make me despair because really, at the end of the day, it just goes to show we’re losing the battle for decency, it would appear, from both sides.
I was heartbroken over Brexit (I’m European), and I personally wouldn’t have voted for Trump, but I can never, never support statements like that. It’s just another form of fascism. The left should make our case better, not start musing about how the world would be a wonderful place if only some of our fellow citizens had their political decisions made for them by us.
I understand people are emotional and fearful, but really – ethically, as well as pragmatically – the “they shouldn’t be allowed to vote” will get us absolutely nowhere.
The thing is they are racist as hell but absolutely HATE being called racist.
For me the bottom line is that if you voted for Drumpf or you did not vote for Clinton, you voted for HATE.
This is so true. My parents are fundamentalist homophobic, misogynist racists, but call them out on any of it, and they’re hurt, so very very hurt.
hmmm, yes. I tried to make this point to my book club last night. Everyone voted for Hillary yet one woman kept saying Trump’s win was more about the economy and jobs than about racism or xenophobia. I get that a few people who are counting on factory jobs to somehow come back might be thinking that way but as for everyone else who voted for him…I don’t know how she can’t see that it is about hate above all else.
@Esmom: but it IS about a lot more than just everyone being racist. Again, we dropped the ball here. Yes, economics played a HUGE part – when you’re trying to make ends meet working as a Wal-Mart greeter and driving an Uber on the side, racism and misogyny seem like luxuries when Trump was promising jobs. I bring this up because those are going to be the voters that jump ship when this inevitably goes South (Trump’s going to go back on everything). Yes, we stand up to racism and misogyny. But focusing on that didn’t keep this clown from getting elected, so why would we expect it to help get him ousted?
No, Bridget, it was about hate. It was not about economic anxiety (more like you can’t take away our guns anxiety). This is their rationalisation for all the hate. It was about “me first” and screw the rest. I’m not seeing a ton of economists in top jobs for Drumpf. I’m seeing a lot of fascists, white supremacists, anti-semites, misogynists, evangelicals, etc. with the full complicity of the Republican party. And statistically way more people of lower income voted for Clinton than him; so, what about THEIR economic anxiety? .
I’m not seeing protests on the street about economic conditions. I’m seeing an increasing number of people being terrorised by Drumpf’s acolytes.
Agree that his win was less about hate and more about jobs and the economy. Those who voted for him will tell you that and when you look at the places in which Trump did well, it’s in communities will a lot of working class voters that have lost jobs for a variety of reasons, a big one being factories moving to foreign countries and leaving them jobless. It’s economic anxiety that fueled the massive shift this election. The problem is, Trump’s policies won’t benefit the working class, rather rich people like him will stand to gain the most.
People telling protestors to sit down and shut up, while our president elect chooses a goddam white supremacist as his chief strategist.
I’m so mad. My own family members are on Facebook saying “oh stop whining, get over it, you lost”, and when they are told that this is about minorities feeling afraid and attacked they WILL NOT LISTEN.
I have so much anger for so many people. Yes I’m working on it because that’s no way to live. But I’m not working all that hard at the moment.
Tell your relatives, “Congratulations, hate and ignorance won. I hope you’re proud of yourselves.”
I would be so tempted to say, “You disgust me and I’m never talking to you again.”
My father is white, but my mother is Asian. His younger sister is married to an Asian man as well. Another sister has an adopted half-Mexican daughter. Some of my white cousins – apparently forgetting that their extended family is NOT racially or politically homogenous – have been positively gleeful at Trump’s win and utterly shocked that people now think them ignorant (among other things). I know I will likely never see nor speak to them again, and while it makes me sad, it is better for my mental health in the long run.
@BL one of my sisters voted for him and filled her FB before and after with trump, trump, trump. One of her grandsons is gay. Her adopted granddaughter is a POC. She loves them to pieces. I don’t understand it.
Fortunately, I haven’t been on FB in about three years, but I’d hear about this from my daughter.
The people who are screaming “get over it” don’t get it. Clearly if they voted for Trump they never did get it.
The people saying “Get over it” are also the same people who said “All Lives Matter” and who get REALLY upset if you say that racism is still alive in America.
For all I care, they can all go jump off a cliff – the rest of us would be so much better off without them.
You’re right, don’t get me started on the “all lives matter” people. Willful ignorance at its finest.
I think people should stop blocking traffic and making symbolic gestures like holding hands and wearing safety pins. That won’t stop Trump’s cronies from mowing over our civil rights, the environment, etc. We need to channel our anger and dispair into targeted and effective strategies to block or mitigate any desructive policies the new administration implements.
A sad thing I read in a NYT’s article about the protests in NYC quoted an ANSWER leader saying many protest leaders (I’m assuming in his acquaintance) either did not vote or voted for third party candidates. WTF? Did they not realize Trump was a real contender?
There is nothing wrong with gestures of solidarity.
As for the protesters, that some didn’t vote does not deligitimise the protest.
I’m fired up and angry…I’m going to put my energy into Earth Justice because why should the innocent wildlife and ecosystems suffer for our own human failings. We failed to have an educational system that addressed bigotry, our liberal factions were split with 3rd party voting idiocy, and now we have anger literally destroying the planet beneath our feet. Earth Justice!
Take care of yourself. It’s hard, but you can find a way to use the anger as fuel. I’m with you. Be well. Xoxoxo
Here’s the thing. If Trump had lost all kinds of outcries would have been heard just as they were crying that the election was “rigged” (before he won). So, them saying “Get over it” is pretty hypocritical.
“Hypocrisy” is too mild a word. It is *rage-inducing* how the same people who were crying that the election was rigged for WEEKS when it looked like their guy would lose are now telling US to “unify” and be open and heal.
Jesus Christ.
Who wants to unify with the KKK?
Or the 8 years of being upset that President Obama was in office? They never did get over that.
LOL, because they did when the shoe was on the other foot?
Mike Pence is at lease as scary if not more than Trumo, just wrapped in a more traditional politician package.
And as for rationalizing, and saying “maybe Trump won’t be so bad,” it has not escaped my notice that the only people doing so on my Facebook feed are the cis white males, all of whom who are financially stable.
You know what I am also not seeing? Repudiation. Not one of his supporters is actively and routinely repudiating Trump’s abhorrent beliefs and the evil being done in his name. Quite a few of his supporters are swearing up and down that they are personally not racist/xenophobic/misogynistic/homophobic, etc., but they are not demanding that Trump stop inciting hatred and violence and disavow his unconstitutional proposals. They are not specifically repudiating the harassment and crimes and demanding that they stop. Sick…
So they were only following orders…
About 1/3 the country is about to have a mammoth case of buyer’s remorse.
It’s called being complicit. Where have I seen that before?
They’re in denial. I’m sorry, but they can’t have it both ways. They cannot vote for him but then protest when we call them what they are.
Pence is more frightening, but he’s more controllable.
I know you don’t like to give “diagnoses” on here, but I would love to know your thoughts on Trump, paranormalgirl. Is he a narcissist? A sociopath? What was your reading of him after his meeting with Obama? To me, he looked incredibly nervous, shell-shocked, pretty much “what have I done”. I think the reality of what being President means finally set in, and he doesn’t like it.
This is a nightmare. I would like to see Trump’s minority surrogates go on TV to defend him now. With Bannon having Trump’s ear, I doubt they would be up for any significant position in the administration. Couple this hire with the Roe v. Wade ruling Trump just guaranteed more protest marches in U.S. cities.
I spent a good bit of time in Germany as a child, and I studied a lot of history in school and on my own. As a child I used to wonder what I would have done living under Hitler in Nazi Germany. Would I have acquiesced? Or would I have stood up against him and his policies? I now feel like I am living in a time warp, and I fear that very soon I will have to decide if I can stay here and fight or if it is better to leave and fight from abroad,
Hi Bearcat, your input (and legal wisdom) are always appreciated.
I’ve done the same and read some of the first-person accounts from that period. Have had to do it both as a moral being, and also as a Jew.
I’m both American and Canadian, thankful to be living in Canada but most people here are just as horrified. And seeing a lot of ‘nice’ white men that I know realize they finally need to draw the moral line and speak out or cut people off … something they did not feel they had to do through the Civil Rights era and through the struggle for equal rights for women. For a lot of them, lip service or some kind of distant support or talky judgement on how “they” should fight for their rights sufficed. They seem to be a little in shock as if it took this much to get their attention. Suddenly they realize their dominant affiliation is with other people who do and say terrible things. Tch.
I am, thankfully, Canadian and American too. But I fear that escaping to Canada may not be far enough. Canada cannot take too hard of a line with its closest neighbour.
Hi Bearcat…sorry to be late in response but yes, I agree. Our local politicians sound terrified and for good reason – both in terms of trade and in terms of the bigotry. We need to export products, not import hate.
I am German and a few months ago I dropped all pretense and started calling Trump Hitler 2.0. Trust me, I would NOT do that for emphasis or hyperbole. We don’t do that. Except when we mean it.
It’s completely terrifying to see what is happening because, as I said further up when somebody mentioned Julius Streicher, it’s eerie how much you CAN actually compare the two. Which is why I think it’s a great sign that people have already started protesting and not everybody is taking this lying down. My one hope is that propaganda doesn’t work the same way anymore and it would take a huge effort to silence the American media. So there is that. But yeah, to those who still say let’s wait what he actually does? THIS is it.
Thank you, littlemissnaughty. I was starting to feel like maybe I was just ludicrously paranoid, but deep in my heart I knew I was not. it did not begin with the camps and gas chambers after all. It began with divisiveness and hateful rhetoric. Luckily I learned something from the past, and I will not be here to repeat those mistakes.
Bearcat, I know what you mean. But really, looking at the facts, what other conclusion is there? At some point you’re not an alarmist but a realist. Appointing a misogynist white supremacist as your … whatever they call it, sends a very clear message. There is no gray area anymore. And if people wait, they will one day wake up and realize that November 8 wasn’t the nightmare. It was barely the beginning.
And to everyone who thinks they might be overreacting I say if you’re afraid, in your gut, of your own president, you’re probably onto something.
“… and it would take a huge effort to silence the American media”. Here’s the thing, they are not trying to silence the media but rather discredit it. The approach is very obvious and I hope that “they” begin to realize this and take a different approach – to me the constant narrative that the media is biased, rigged is straight out of the Nazi’s playbook.
Bearcat,
That is the momentous choice before us, I’m thinking. I might have been complicit in Germany, not knowing any better, but now that history has lessons to teach us, we have seen what happened. This consciousness demands everything of us.
To me that’s the most motivating factor- you know what will happen, how it will end. So, yes, I will fight (I’m Canadian with relatives and many friends in the States, so we’re all in this together now- I can also see them trying to annex Canada for her natural resources). My great uncles were partisans in Poland, so there’s that. I guess it runs in the family.
I am sure you will make the most beneficial choice.
Unfortunately for me, I represent just about everything Donald Trump and his supporters seem to hate. I am half-Asian and half-white (and I look just a tad too Asian to pass as white). I am a board certified immigration lawyer who regularly represents Muslims, Mexicans, refugees, and asylum-seekers. I also represent people who have been convicted of crimes in immigration matters and have sued the U.S. government successfully on numerous occasions. Although straight, I am far from narrow and proudly support ALL lifestyles and same sex marriage. I believe in the Affordable Care Act and have often voted for and given money to Democrats and independents (but rarely for Republicans and third parties). I support all kinds of liberal causes with donations of money and my time.
If Gingrich gets his wish and the Un-American Activities Committee returns from the grave, I do not doubt for a second that I will escape being subpoenaed. It is not going to do my country any good if standing up for my beliefs, the Constitution, and the laws of the land against Trump and his ilk results in my being sent off to prison/detention camp or threatened into silence and submission. Far better for me to leave safely while I still can and start setting up the networks we will need to save lives and dismantle the Trump regime in the future.
I have never had more empathy for my clients as I do now. I feel like I am being deported from my home (even though for now I still retain the rights to live and call myself a U.S. citizen indefinitely), and I have no idea if and when I may be able to return. But I know that by leaving before things turn really nasty I can save my life and keep fighting for all the people who have little choice but to stay.
Bearcat,
Wow. You would definitely be a target. You have it figured out. We need people like you to fight the good fight wherever you go! But, yes, it’s all so heartbreaking. Who would have ever imagined all this. Again.
I’m sorry, the Unamerican Activities Committee? Please tell me that idea isn’t seriously being floated…please
It’s legit. This past summer Newt discussed reviving it to hunt down ISIS sympathizers. Course that’s just for starters.
I too have studied quite a bit of history and always wondered how so many “good” people were complicit in torture and murder. I’ve seen photos where Jews were dragged out of their shops and beaten by their fellow citizens – the same people that had probably visited the shops months earlier as customers, friends and all of that time they must have been seething with deep rooted hate, jealousy and envy.
I, too, wondered what I would do – hoping that I would speak up. Now that we have a similar time ahead of us, I am fairly confident that I will take action… over the last 2 days when I’ve been out and about in my town I have been ready for a fight. We have a small Hispanic immigrant population and I am ready to jump in on their behalf. I will not turn away from hate, envy, spite and malice. That is what Trump voters (yes, all of them) are filled with and we must all speak up or else we are looking at the history fully repeating itself.
I’m not surprised, he also said he still wants to hold “rallies”. … that alone gets a major side eye. So you will be letting others run the country while you hold these “rallies ” for the purpose of what? Spreading hate, growing numbers for their cause. Was that part of the deal you made sir? Lol makes you wonder what the plan for America really are. I’m a Scorpio so I’m naturally suspicious of folk anyway but something is truly way off here!
I think that’s his general ignorance of his role coming through. He’ll soon realize he can’t just summon his supporters for a love fest just because he wants the validation.
Yes, just like Hitler. That’s his playbook. Hitler’s speeches are his guide.
It is all about stroking his massive ego.
Those rallies were probably his favorite part of running. He and the crowd fed off each other. In fact, it makes me wonder if another scenario besides impeachment is possible- trump remains the mouthpiece while Pence actually runs the country. Maybe the republicans don’t want to get rid of him, but keep him on as the show pony who riles up the crowds….
Honestly, I think that is exactly the plan. Trump doesn’t have the will (or the skill) to run the country, so he’ll be the figurehead. Pence, Ryan and McConnell will formulate and pursue the strategy, and they have Trump there to rubber stamp it and proclaim victory. Win-win for all of them. Trump gets all the “fun” of being the leader of the free world and Satan’s minions get to pass into law every reprehensible idea they’ve ever had.
@Cindy,
It is terrifying but I think that’s exactly the plan.
Is it surprising that others will be running the country? DM has an article on how Trump is trying to figure out the minimum amount of time he has to spend in the White House (physically). He wants to run the country out of his NY penthouse.
He does realize this isn’t a tv show and when he does terrible things he isn’t just making more ratings right? No? Okay then.
When you use “alt-right” instead of RACIST, to describe these people, you too are normalizing white supremacy’s last stand.
I was just about to say this. I think we are spelling alt-right and populism wrong. The correct spelling is F-A-S-C-I-S-T.
Personally and from the other side of the Pond, I have no interest in accommodating, appeasing or taking part in joint healing with F-A-S-C-I-S-T-S. I won’t be doing that here in the UK.
Thank you!
I have 1 friend – Clinton voter, very Medicare-dependent, Jewish – who turns out to be closely related to someone who worked for Breitbart ‘news.’ Guess who’s the only one cheerfully posting that DT might not turn out to be so bad after all. People go through so many mental contortions to try to reconcile reality with what they want to see.
This. I just wrote the same thing a few minutes ago because I didn’t scroll all the way down.
For people who don’t like “political correctness” they don’t mind making people use this most benign thing description of white supremacy.
YES! I know many people who don’t follow the news – those people have no clue what “Alt-Right” means. There’s a reason they call themselves that. It sounds safe when it’s exactly the opposite. They need to be called White Supremecists (White Nationalist even sounds too cozy), racists, hate groups, etc.
I had to google it because I had no clue as to what “Alt-Right” means. We need to be calling a spade, a spade and not sugar coating it with these new name brands.
@Onerous, ITA. I know lots of people who wouldn’t have a CLUE what it means.
We can’t be worried about hurting their feelings. They are white supremacists.
I dunno that racist is the right word. Alt-right is a umbrella term that includes the racists and some other fringe groups: the MRA & Gamergate jerks (sexists), conservatives who are too far right for the far-right parties (those too extreme for the Tea Party), the conspiracy theory crackpots (Birthers, 911 truthers), anti-Semetics, homophobes, anti-Muslim xenophobes, and the anarchists.
if you just call them racist, you miss all the other flavours of crazy.
But alt-right is not a good label. It does sound too mild. Fascist is insulting enough, but doesn’t include the anarchist element. (I think Michael Moore is right, a large chunk of the ex-democrats who voted Trump were just throwing a Molotov cocktail at the system … they’re leaning anarchist rather than support for far-right ideology.)
Neo-supremacists maybe, rather than white-supremacists? Recognises that it’s not just a race issue, it’s race, sexuality, gender, religion.
Makes sense Lucrezia. They seem to basically hate everyone who isn’t a white male heterosexual Protestant American who shares their views. It is very frightening to see someone with those views appointed to that position. And the “Trump won, get over it and STFU” people should STFU.
Take your point about the smash-the-system anarchist element of it.
However, I still think fascism is the best word for it. Because people know fascism is bad.
Alt-right, authoritarian populism – these are normalising euphemisms and we should just stop using them.
Ah, I replied earlier that the alt-right people were straight-up racists; however, you do make a great point. Someone needs to come up with a more ominous-sounding label than “alt-right”.
Someone on social media just called the term alt-right “Nazi marketing obfuscation”. I couldn’t agree more.
Let’s bring back the term “Neo-Nazi”.
Exactly.
“Alt-right” leaves way too much room for interpretation.
Anything with “nationalism” in it sounds too safe, too comforting – *patriotic* even – which is exactly what they want.
We need to just call them white supremacists.
I have been seeing the term ‘alt-reich’ used. I think it is apt
That is perfect!
There is talk, and I believe it, that Republicans don’t want Trump. They was Pence because he’s more “controllable” so they will find a way to get him impeached or get him to resign. Out of the frying pan, into the fire 🙁
I find it hard to believe that the likes of John McCain supports Trump. But they share the blame for not doing more at an earlier stage. Presumably they thought the electorate would weed him out. They didn’t. The whole GOP shares responsibility even if they don’t share Trump’s views.
A hypothetical: Would it be better for everyone (including the Fascist Repub Party) if Drumpf disappeared? The reason being that Drumpf might be the only one who can keep the base in a frenzy and loyal, just like Hitler. Would his followers be as easily moved by someone else? If Hitler had disappeared early on, would things have been different?
No, Mike Pence would not make a better president than Dump. Just because he looks like a cheesy tv dad does not mean he actually is one. Please stop saying it, writing it, and thinking it because it is not true. Everything that Masha said about Trump should also be applied to every damn last one of those vile pieces of garbage in that group, not just Steve Bannon.
Mike Pence believes in every single thing that Dump has been saying wholeheartedly and has experience in making it a reality. The only difference between him and Trump is that Pence has actually taken part in writing and passing laws that discriminate against everyone but white straight men.
Also, Harry Reid is “too little, too late”. Where was this fire when the Republicans were doing everything that they could to screw Obama over while Harry was heading the Senate.
Mike pence is more socially conservative however he is also less likely to be erratic with wars and nukes. Thus for overall safety is safer..
The nuke thing is, indeed, a worry.
Neither one is acceptable. Great that he does not want to bomb other country, but he and his cronies are going to make it so that anyone he thinks is below him will suffer big time in the US.
Typical word salad from trump last night on 60 Minutes. On deportation it’s gonna be the criminals he goes after-exactly what is already happening. On ISIS-I can’t tell you my plan, but, the generals…. Leslie – But you said you know more than the generals. trump – oh, yeah, well I probably do.
Leslie – You said lobbyists were the problem, but your team is full of lobbyists. trump – yeah, but that’s what’s in Washington, you have to work with them.
But, of course, none of these lies or the ones to come will matter to the not very intelligent who voted for him.
Drain that swamp and dredge up POS like priebus, gingrich, christie, carson, et al
And when they finally figure out Trump lied and screwed them over, they will just find a way to blame Obama. Or liberals. Or both.
Anyone but themselves. This was a scapegoating campaign and scapegoating will be continued, especially through rallies.
Conway is ALREADY publicly blaming Obama and Clinton for the protests.
Looks like Conway is turning out to be Lady Goebbels.
Exactly, he got elected on an anti-establishment platform, but he seems to be working with the establishment just fine. And you see, his some of his supporters are now appointed by him for different positions. Gee, wonder why they supported him?
Trump is a figurehead. To be fair, Obama was a figurehead as well, though admittedly less so than Trump. Look behind the figurehead to the support apparatus holding him up. That’s what we’re dealing with.
The two are not comparable. False equivalence with no evidence to back up comment about Obama.
The FBI definitely should be investigated. Comey’s letter played a significant part in pushing the still undecided. You can’t release a damaging letter then say “My bad. Nothing to see here, folks”. Trump is going to be a disaster. The Wall St Journal lean right and is reporting Trumps team doesn’t know a lot about what is involved with being President. Obama has to mentor him. That’s the only brightside is that Trump has to beg for his help.
I find it remarkable that nothing has been said or done about Comey by the powers that be. Why is that?
@Hmmm, agreed. Obama does not have a lot of time and needs to move quickly.
I think Trump’s relationship with the republicans will be rocky at best.
Trump won with an anti-establishment discourse, the republicans are part of the establishment. Furthermore, I bet he is not one to forget that ‘his party’ sold him out during the campaign. I bet he remembers Mike Pence’s silence during the ‘grab them by the pussy’ tape.
I also noticed Paul Ryan spoke out a lot on what Trump’s administration will or will not do. In what capacity? Trump has a petty character. He will remember all of them.
This election was about Trump, not the republicans, the fact that this party’s leaders are coming out considering themselves victors shows how dumb they are. They were dumb when they allowed Trump to get the nomination and they are dumb now in thinking they will manipulate this stupid overgrown child to their liking.
I have a feeling it’s just a matter of time until republicans find out that they also lost the election, along with the democrats.
The country lost the election. The world lost the election.
But I hope it’s true what you say about the Republicans, because it sure looks as if they have a stranglehold on the national and state levels. And governance is 1 state away from having enough to get the 2/3 needed to pass Constitutional amendments.
The state legislature domination by Republicans is truly frightening because of the Constitutional amendment threshold. Imagine what they would try! Oh wait, we already know…a woman’s right to choose, just for starters.
Nightmare scenarios galore.
Repubs control 37 states.
Basic *human decency* lost the election.
I know a few people that have commented they don’t want to read or hear about Trump because he disgusts them so much. It is important that everyone pays close attention to who Trump adds to his administration and also what he does. It is when people don’t care or ignore what their government does is when a person loses rights. History has many examples of this and unfortunately has often repeated itself
You’re right. In my house we’re trying to figure out how to maintain mental health and a positive sense of control whilst still observing and acting. Regimes like this can really throw us off balance.
Definitely. It can be challenging because I think all of us are so burnt out at this point but we need to keep sharing on social media, joining activist groups, etc. Its so overwhelming right now that it would be easy to just take a break but we can’t do that. We need to keep expressing our dissatisfaction with a Trump regime AND back that up with actions. No more slacktivism, guys, we need to start making moves.
I’m going to read transcripts. I don’t want to hear his voice or see him but I do want to stay up on what he’s doing.
After meeting with Trump, Obama realized that he is has no idea what the f**k he is doing, so Obama said that he will spend extra time with Trump so he know basically how to president.
Also, Trump aides didn’t know that they had to hire staff. They thought the White House staff came with the White House.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/leading-contender-for-donald-trump-s-chief-of-staff-is-rnc-chairman-reince-priebus-1479069597
Trump didn’t expect to win so they really didn’t plan for a transition team. Just think about the absurdity of that. You’re such a narcissistic overgrown asshat that you go through all the trouble of campaigning for President, not because you really want to do the job, but because of ego and no real thought of the consequences if you actually win.
Gawwd……You can’t make this shit up.
He isn’t even planning to live in Washington
I wonder how long until he realizes he absolutely CANNOT continue to live in NYC, commute every day (??), and essentially do this job part-time with his life basically unchanged.
He’s in for a rude awakening.
He’s been told that he can’t live in Trump tower because of security.
Is this for real?
100% unfortunately.
“They thought the staff came with the White House.”
😖
Many Trump voters are upset that they are being labeled as bigots because they voted for him solely on economic reasons. Promises of jobs being returned and improved economy. (Never mind the fact that the GOP NEVER worked with President Obama on key economic issues designed to help the working class. Rather the GOP spent the entire years of his Presidency, vilifying and obstructing him at every turn.)
The thing is everyone (Trump voters,Clinton voters and 3rd Party voters) was concerned about the economy and the fact that the working class was not benefiting from the slow, but steady economic recovery the same as the wealthy ruling class. The economy was a concern for everyone (except the 1%).
The key difference is that those who voted against Trump were able to see past that one issue, and realize the effect his election would have on individuals who do not look like them. This election was about SO MUCH MORE THAN JUST THE ECONOMY. And half of America failed to see that or just didn’t give a damn. Those who voted against Trump knew the price was too high to pay for such selfish myopia.
That by electing Trump, it would unleash such monstrous hate upon the nation….that those in the shadows would now feel validated and free to spread their hate towards others. And now Bannon and his ilk will try to use policy and legislate hate upon us all.
He also made brown people the scapegoat of his economy argument. The illegal Mexicans have “taken your jobs” so I will deport them all. “I will bring jobs back to the US and stop companies from outsourcing.” Well, how? “Oh I have plans, they are the best plans.” “Mexico now has the most beautiful factories, all the factories are moving to Mexico, folks.” How will you bring factories back here? “Um I will penalize companies who outsource or build factories in another country and reward those who do business here.” Hmm… okay great plan dude. I’m sure no one has ever thought of that before.
I have no sympathy for them. They voted for hate. Just because hate was irrelevant to their snowflake selves doesn’t justify their vote for that abomination.
I just read that article, Kaiser and it is indeed excellent.
American friends: please pay attention to what it says about the judiciary and Trump’s likely forthcoming challenges to it. This has already happened here in the UK with a high court judgement re the Brexit process (not Brexit itself: just the process). Beware, beware, beware.
Yes, it is a good piece. The judiciary is one of the few things that saved Canada’s Canadian bacon during the Harper regime. At the same time, Hitler used the judiciary to make much of his heinous pograms appear to be “legal.” I expect that packing the Supreme Court will be Job 1 on Day 1 of the Trump administration, that they will fill the vacant seat and that Clarence Thomas will either stay on for the satisfaction of a few nasty judgments, then resign, or quickly resign to open up a second slot.
I shared it. And Sixer, your experience with Brexit has been a valuable predictor in terms of how things would pan-out after a potential Trump win so i think it behooves us to listen to your recommendations and heed your warnings.
It’s all horribly similar, Kitten. Spike in abuse and hate crime? Tick. Attack on the judiciary? Tick. Media denial and normalisation of extremists? Tick.
Someone above is talking about social media comments along the lines of “You lost. Get over it. Stop whining.” – Exactly the same here. There’s even a word for it: remoaners.
A bit like many Hillary voters were sceptical of Hillary, I was a reluctant, Eurosceptic remain voter. One very big reason I voted remain was that I didn’t want to give up my country to racists and xenophobes so the outright fascists winding them up could find their way in. I don’t see why I should stop being an anti-fascist whether we’re in or out of the EU. And besides, I will maintain until my dying day that Britain is not a country for fascists. We haven’t beaten racism and xenophobia yet but these maniacs aren’t the majority. So I won’t be normalising them. Ever.
Okay so this is the beginning of Trump/Pence reign of terror. This is awful, what is going to happen to our country? A lady by the name of Ann Coulter is cackling in delight.
I’m honestly surprised that Coulter hasn’t already been appointed to a cabinet position.
She doesn’t have large breasts. She probably is only a 5 in Trump’s book, so no go. He is truly one dimensional in his delusional view of women.
Well, she’s not grabbable.
Sorry, not a lady. I’m not sure she’s even human.
Thanks America. You idiots.
Mike Pray The Gay Away Pence is running this whole show. Trump is just a show pony.
Donald Trump disavowing the KKK is nothing but deflection and a smokescreen. Trump embedded white supremacist withinhis campaign and now has made them part of his administration. White fascist, supremacists like Bannon aligned with Briebert are determined to take their message mainstream and legislate hate and discrimination into our government.
The GOP must be held accountable and made to wear this crown of racist, sexist, xenophobic, homophobic fervor. Donald Trump wasn’t the architect of this pustule of hate that has exploded, all he did was break the pustule so it could spill out. The GOP has built this through their years of continued race baiting, religious tyranny and pitting Americans against against one another.
What position will First Lady Ivanka get?
Um, Ivanka the Terrible? (Sorry…couldn’t resist)
Lol. I love it.
LOL! Perfect! I’ve found my moniker for her. Thanks!
Trump is already ugly, he will look more than terrible 2020.
To paraphrase Mitch McConnell, we need to do everything in our power to make Trump a one term President.
I just hope that the Democrats and Republicans will have decent candidates for the next election.
…I’m continually pleased that so called uneducated working guys in the rust belt on being asked by reporters why the voted Trump will say ‘NAFTA’…you know its valid…
For you folks hoping for a one term president – do you really believe a fascist who controls the Supreme Court, the Senate, Congress and the military is going to allow free and fair elections? What will stop him from declaring martial law or presenting only himself as the option? Once he and his racist insane cronies deport, jail, or kill vast numbers of POC, Jewish people, LGBTQ folks and protesters he will be left with White America who supported him. I am joining a political party here just so I can do my part to prevent mini Trump from taking over the Conservative party here. We should all be afraid. I bet the first step is requiring non white Americans to carry documents proving their citizenship at all times. Sound familiar?
Trump hasn’t manufactured anything in this country except his POS kids.
Guppies breed too.
I’ve posted this elsewhere, but, I think it’s important enough to keep adding to new threads.
In response to someone who is trying to dissuade others from signing this petition, I answered that I’m not naïve, I have no delusions, I doubt nothing concrete will come of it (alone) in terms of changing the fact that Trump’s in. HOWEVER, there’s nothing dangerous in signing a petition.
It’s a show of solidarity. Doing NOTHING and showing apathy and acceptance is dangerous.
I don’t understand wanting to silence people. There’s no harm in showing support. People are not stupid (except, perhaps, the one ones who voted against their own best interests). We know this petition is, most likely, symbolic… Maybe, though, we’re wrong….as so many were about having the election in the bag.
Peaceful protest is not, necessarily, futile…even if it’s not enough.
Sign and pass it along…if you wish
https://www.change.org/p/electoral-college-electors-electoral-college-make-hillary-clinton-president-on-december-19?source_location=discover_feed
This, for future election….
http://www.nationalpopularvote.com
“Lambda says:
November 13, 2016 at 3:06 pm
The electors are not there to represent the states, primarily, but to act as a guard against individuals unfit to become president. That’s clearly stated in Federalist Paper no. 68 (Hamilton!): the electors should acknowledge the will of the people, but reserve the right to judge the qualities and fitness of the candidates. This is the framework of the republic.
I’ve always been more than dubious about indirect democracy, but if the college goes rogue I wouldn’t consider it as plunging into fascism, because it’s in the constitution.”
” I am not an advocate for frequent changes in the laws and constitutions. But laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors.
— Thomas Jefferson”
Thank you for posting this link. I signed it and am encouraging my friends and family to do the same.
Bannon’s appointment needs to be a wake up moment for everyone. This shit is not acceptable. For all the Trump voters (or married to Trump voters…) who claim to be educated, non-racist, just in it for economic policies or whatever: just know that your guy just appointed a white supremacist to a top government position of the United States of America – the world’s remaining superpower. The ramifications are huge. Racism is not a personality aspect that can be overlooked.
Of course the nazis are celebrating: “Rocky J. Suhayda, American Nazi Party, and Richard B. Spencer, head of the white nationalist National Policy Institute, similarly praised Bannon’s position of power in the Trump administration.” (source: http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/white-nationalists-steve-bannon-donald-trump-praise/)
Trump’s election has truly crossed a line. This is not a normal year. This is not a normal president-elect. We cannot just accept the loss of our candidate and “grow up and move on” like this lady yelled at me on the street recently. This is a historical turning point and generations to come will judge us on our actions to come on how we dealt with a racist, fascist in power. Hitler also started out as a leader nobody took seriously, just saying.
@sodapop
Thanks for passing the link along.
I agree. These are very dangerous times.
I hope the people who voted for him will suffer the most. Looks like they have to learn it the hard way.
Unfortunately, for every straight white poor working man who suffers, women will have it worse… and people of color will have it way worse.
Exactly. They won’t suffer at all. It is the people who knew enough to vote for HRC who will suffer.
The poor Trump voters will suffer. He is not going to bring back jobs to their area. They believed a lie. Many of the jobs in question are obsolete in the 21st century.
Maya Angelou had it: when someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.
This^^
If you say racist stuff, you are a racist. at my job, we see a lot of Muslim customers and they are so nice. Not every Muslim is a terrorist.
For your consideration:
Saying Alt-Right normalizes and sugarcoats White Supremacists. The Conservatives have the nerve to simply call him anti-establishment. which is laughable, yet pathetic.
Similarly, Pro-Life misleads, where as Anti-Choice is a more accurate description.
I’d like to see the press and the people who are appalled by these people to call them what they actually are, and fight against the normalization of all of this hate and oppression. Words matter.
I agree. The alt right seems the same old cesspit as the old right, with added use of social media. And “pro-life” is also ridiculous; are their opponents”anti-life”? Or “pro-death” ? Of course not.
A few suggestions as panic is starting to set in:
1) get off Facebook/twitter and other potentially inflammatory social media sites
2) volunteer at places where you can make change and protect those potentially victimized by the results of the Pres election
3) get active in your community about topics that are important to you, your collegues, and people who feel marginalized
4) donate time and money to causes you feel strongly about
5) reassure those in your community that you pledge to uphold the sovereign rights of all Americans of whatever color, gender, sexual orientation, and religion
6) read the US constitution and understand how Washington politics actually works and how federal laws get passed
7) detach every now and again to gain perspective and cleanse yourself
You are absolutely right. You’re going to have to get out of your houses, and get politically active, for the next four years to survive.
8) begin regular communications with your Congressmen at their local offices about your expectations of their representation. This applies to both state and federal congressmen. You must let them know where you stand as their constituent and hold them accountable.
YES. I would also add:
9) Organize and mobilize for the 2018 mid-term elections to get rid of as many incumbent Republicans as possible! None of this activism means anything if we don’t vote!
Well, one flat out lie – he said he would give me a tax cut. His proposal actually might INCREASE my federal tax liability.
Kellyann backtracked on pre-existing conditions and up to 26 years yesterday, claiming he was just being polite to Obama and then she insulted Obama.
He plans to live in NYC, not the White House. Constitutional problem there.
If this scum is going to withdraw, he needs to do it BEFORE the electoral college. Otherwise, this was a coup.
Ah, Lightpurple, we need you and your incisive mind more than ever!
“He plans to live in NYC, not the White House. Constitutional problem there.”
Traffic problem, here.
BTW, I thought it was weekends he wants to spend here.
But less garbage in DC.
No. He wants to stay in NY. They told him he couldn’t and now they are discussing long 4-5 day weekends. It is very clear to me that he has no intention of leaving his business. Flagrant conflict of interest.
I’m sure he thinks all of the Presidents before him who uprooted their families to actually live in the White House are complete *suckers* and he will do it so much better…
@lightpurple says:
“No. He wants to stay in NY. They told him he couldn’t and now they are discussing long 4-5 day weekends. It is very clear to me that he has no intention of leaving his business. Flagrant conflict of interest.”
He flew home every night, while he was campaigning, to sleep in his Versailles. It could be, simply, that he likes his gilt palace… that’s all.
I don’t know about the business… if there is a “Flagrant conflict of interest”, I guess that could be the Reps’ grounds for impeachment? He did say, however, that he’s leaving his businesses to his kids.
” He did say, however, that he’s leaving his businesses to his kids.”
Still a flagrant conflict of interest imo.
You expected someone with no political experience, who lied his way through his whole campaign (not to mention being a racist misogynist, fascist in his spare time) to tell you the truth??!!??
I never expected truth from Donald Trump. Ever. But I’m fed up with Trump voters telling me they couldn’t vote for Clinton because she is a liar, although none can show me an actual lie on her part. I intend to point out his whopper of a lie about taxes for all the middle class during the debates. His very own written proposal shows that the words he spoke were outright, blatant, intentional lies.
I think basically everyone involved in his campaign is bleeping nuts. They just say whatever they are thinking at the moment, and of course it changes hourly. McConnell says they will repeal ACA immediately. Trump says no, they will fix it. Conway says no, he was just saying that to appease Obama. Today, who knows. They’re all pandering, crazy idiots. I think Trump got a good look what being the President actually means, and p*ssed his pants. It’s not a reality show, stupid. It’s a real job. Look at how much Pres. Obama aged in eight years and he’s 15 years younger than Trump. If Trump does the job (HA!), it could very well end him. I think we should start a pool to see how long he actually lasts. I can’t see this going more than two years. He’ll fake a heart attack or something and bail. It’s just too much for a lazy, old blowhard who can’t even give up his 24K gold toilets for four years. We’re in uncharted waters now.
I will say this until I’m blue in the face.
Something is just SO rotten about this whole thing. Between the FBI involvement, the OBVIOUS Russian involvement, the fact that someone told Donald Trump he would be “Mr. Brexit,” the fact that he just knew the elections would be rigged; it just turned it out they were in his favor, the fact that Hillary’s popular vote lead is expected to reach 2 million…
Something is just not right about this.
FBI, KKK, KGB
Amerikkka.
YES
I am not a conspiracy theorist but I feel like I have just witnessed the biggest scam of the century. Hell, of history.
I am exceedingly sceptical of the current levels of Russophobia.
However, I will say this: Marine le Pen was interviewed on the BBC yesterday and openly admitted that the NF in France has Russian funding.
@Sixer
It frustrated me that so few in mainstream media went after Trump’s financial ties with Russia. His son, the elder ratf*ck Donald Jr, discussed how important the Russian investors were to them. Instead, some of the media went with some fairly fringe theories about the FSB having an orgy tape of Trump and Trump being an asset instead of focusing on the cold hard facts that Russian oligarchs have deep financial ties to Trump. There very likely are some financial laws being broken, considering he has done so in the past.
Not sure I really credit direct puppet and stooge narratives.
But it does seem as though Russian money is coming into far-right politics in Europe and the US, with the express intention of destabilising our democracies.
I can’t believe our respective intelligence services haven’t seen it and guarded against it – it’s not as though our own hands are clean on destabilising other people’s democracies by funding insurgent movements, is it? Our agencies know what it looks like.
MASSIVE complacency by the people who are supposed to protect us from these things, if you ask me. We are spying on the wrong people, clearly.
Sixer,
I don’t mean to paint all of Russia with a broad brush. I know that if I just sat here and said “oooohh Russians bad!!” I would be as bad as Donald with his islamophia and Xenophobia.
When I say Russia, I mean the Kremlin. I should have said the obvious Putin involvement, because that’s what I’m really concerned about.
It’s just one of many factors that are lending to the terribly rotten smell eminating from this election.
Shambles – sorry, lovely. Wasn’t criticising you at all. Points all general and not aimed at you AT ALL.
So, now we’ve got a racist, bigoted CoS who abuses and intimidates women just like his POS POTUS-elect. The world’s gone mad.
For all the people who tried to claim that “we don’t know what Trump will do, we need to give it a chance”. That is bs. He is proving that those of us who are against him were correct. He is doing exactly what we expect him to do and appointing extreme bigots to craft policy.
Posted this on the other thread, but it belongs here, also. He’ll probably name Cliven Bundy to Bureau of Indian Affairs so he can graze his cattle on sacred land, sarah palin for Interior so she can regale us with her moose murdering exploits, jill stein for surgeon general to open up all the crackpot online medical theories.
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1107214_trump-names-proud-climate-science-denier-to-head-epa-transition-team
His association to Trump drives me insane every time I read about during his campaign and now as President Elect.
Apparently dump doesn’t want to live in the White House! Ahahaha!
He wants to stay in New York.
This means that taxpayers will be on the hook for the expenses of both the white house and his NY residence.
I don’t trust He Who Must Not Be Named on his statement regarding gay marriage. Mike Pence outlawed gay marriage in Indiana by making it against the law to lie on a marriage license. So gay people in Indiana who wanted to get married would be arrested because the form asks the name of the bride and the groom. There is no way for gay people to fill it out without being arrested. Other states will may fall in line with Pence. Mike Pence is the frightening of dementors.
I don’t know what to feel-I understand the protests, but not the violence-that doesn’t solve anything, At the same time I feel the need to do SOMETHING, just not sure what- no longer will I sit by silently-I hope others will join-and btw, it’s good to know so many others feel the same way-sometimes social media can be a good thing
The majority of the protests across the country have been peaceful. Only Portland has experienced any violence
If you’re worried about violence, I’d direct your inquires to the myriad of white supremacist groups who have been actively harassing & threatening people since last Tuesday. Hate crimes are rising and the authorities are doing nothing about it.
Yes, that’s the real violence to worry about.
We are witnessing the rise of the KKK as a direct result of our president-elect.
He is way out of his league. I can’t imagine how bad things will get the first time everyone is ganging up on him and his supporters are turning on him – which happens to every president at some point.
He’s going to lash out at minorities, the left and anyone he sees as different, and encourage his fringe loyalists to follow. If the right doesn’t draw the line, no one will and a lot of people will get hurt.
It’s more than just the KKK. There are a large number of white supremacist hate groups in America.
Are we sure that Russia had nothing to do with the election result?
you have no one to blame but yourself. face it, half of americans decided that trump is the best person to run the country. russia has nothing to do with it.
No, half of Americans did NOT decide that. Less than half of the people who voted decided he is the best to run the country, and voters were about half of possible voters.
As far as I can tell, Huffington Post is the only one with the guts to run a headline that calls Steve Bannon a white nationalist. The press is falling in step. This is truly terrifying, and no one is being hyperbolic to point out the parallels between Trump and the many fascist dictators. The fact that people are trying to normalize the fact that Trump wants to continue to hold rallies…sh*t.
Also, while I appreciate Harry Reid having no more f*cks left to give…he sure could have done this a lot sooner and I remember him fighting against Obama’s attempt to close Gitmo at one point because it didn’t fit Reid’s “plan.” More politicians need to speak out, though.
Also, President Obama having to tutor a bigoted rotten piece of cheese who lead a birther movement against. I can’t ever imagine having the grace President Obama does and what an example of being black in America. History will look kindly upon the Obamas.
Yes, Trump wants to keep holding rallies- a strategy straight out of Hitler’s playbook. I knew that was coming. You also feed the people in some manner, with grandiose hysteria and resentment and elevation, and through institutions, giving them some money/benefits, like ‘making the trains run on time’ /sarc. You set up a Ministry of Propaganda with disinformation/misinformation arms like Breitbart, Faux News, other media.
You whip up their frenzy of ‘love’. Institutions and their members and others are more likely to be complicit than reasonable. Don’t look to most government members to resist.
Meanwhile you have a whole other long term strategy for oppressing or eliminating the other, the ones you hate- Jews, Muslims, women, LGBT, disabled, People of Colour, etc.
I wish people would not normalise white supremacists/anti-Semites like this bugger with the falsely equivalent term of “alt-right”, because Bannon is a virulent anti-Semite/white supremacist and avowed *Leninist* who wants to destroy the country’s institutions and most of its people who don’t conform.
Drumpf is highly suggestible and will be swayed in any way that will feed his narcissism and greed for power. We, the world, should all be very afraid. There is no upside to this consolidation of power backed by the nuclear might of the US.
I spent the past weekend completely depressed. I’m afraid this week will be no different.
Me too HoustonGrl. Hugs to you.
I am surprised there aren’t any comments about Trump wanting to repeal or overturn Roe v Wade.I am praying Ruth Ginsburg stays healthy.We know he will replace Scalia with a conservative but if we lose a liberal justice we are in trouble in terms of reproductive rights.Republicans control both houses,Trump is President and if the court becomes 6-3? I am sick to my stomach just thinking about it.
In the 60 Minutes interview, Trump said that he would leave the legalization of same-sex marriage alone, because that was settled law; however, he didn’t say the same for abortion. I guess the dumb-ass doesn’t realize that the right to an abortion has been settled law for decades. I guess he also doesn’t realize that his vice-president elect is virulently anti-gay.
I think that in the near future pro-choice people are going to have to establish funds to help women travel to states in which abortion will still be allowed.
“I believe that there will ultimately be a clash between the oppressed and those that do the oppressing. believe that there will be a clash between those who want freedom, justice, and equality for everyone and those who want to continue the systems of exploitation.”
“the system in this country cannot produce freedom for an Afro-American. It is impossible for this system, this economic system, this political system, this social system, this system, period … You can’t have capitalism without racism.”
Malcom X
If President Obama had named a member of the Black Panther Party as a member of his staff, all hell would have broken loose, yet, it’s fine for a white supremacist to be named as part of Trumps staff.
#NOTMYPRESDENT
Americans, you need to make your voice heard by calling your state’s congressional reps and attend town hall meetings because those staffers are the ones on the ground and giving feedback to DC. Twitter and FB and letters aren’t the way to get their attention, it’s phone calls.
http://www.attn.com/stories/12768/former-congressional-staffer-explains-how-to-make-congressman-listen?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=internal
They do have to log letters into a record so call AND write. And the ones on our side can actually use the letters as a visual aid. Also, call and write the people who are NOT your congressional representatives. Call the Senate and House minority leaders and the majority leaders too. Let Paul Ryan know what you think directly.
Yep, and receiving a lot of letters from constituents can give them political cover. Representatives love to say “I got X hundred letters demanding I do this particular thing.”
Good point. Calling and following up with letters is the best strategy. Reaching out to one or two each day and creating a form letter that’s personalized for each rep is fairly easy to manage even with a busy schedule.
In addition to your calling your senators and representatives, contact Speaker of the House Paul Ryan at 202-225-3031 and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell at 202-224-2541.
If you don’t know who represents you in Congress, go here and put your zip code in:
http://www.whoismyrepresentative.com/
Somebody wake me up from this shitmare…..we’re in a Twilight Zone alternate reality
Seeing the comments above….can we safely remove ‘united’ from the United States of America…I know this impacts the rest of the world but I really feel sad for your country now. I won’t be surprised also if Trump gets re-elected. All I have are hugs.
What in the hell has happened to the man who was a lifelong democrat?
This news is pushing me over into the “he has dementia” camp.
No dementia. If being a raving lefty would have won him the votes, he would have been a raving lefty. But, he’s been spouting racist garbage for decades, like his father before him and his father after him. The timing was right for him to win exploiting the raving right.
I’m tired of being gaslighted and told I’m over reacting or part of the problem (sore loser). No, no, no. What part of sexist, racist, xenophobic, narcissistic unstable uneducated fascist is unclear? Give him a chance to make America great. Clearly we have a difference of opinion on what great means. Furious that moderate Republicans aren’t up in arms and publicly denouncing his vitriolic speech and policies. Ugh!
He doesn”t need you to give him a chance. He’s already won the election. The Dems had their best chance with Sanders and they blew it.
I hope your overweening self-righteousness keeps you warm while the world burns.
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
Not a puppet, not a puppet. No, you’re the puppet, YOU’RE the puppet! LOL!
Just ignore the gaslighting and keep speaking the truth. It makes them crazy.
Thank you hmm!
I’m still stunned.
I have so much rage and I don’t know what to do with it. I can’t focus on anything. It’s beginning to eat me alive.
Not my president, right there with you. I am struggling to function. I’ve been sick for a week with some kind of Sinus issue and I’m convinced my mental state is really the culprit as I’m not getting better. Donations to planned parenthood, the Aclu and a university nonprofit group that gives free legal advice to immigrants, check. Writing letters to my government reps, in progress. But I still feel sick to my bones and hoping for others to take a stand.
*Here is a link to find your local elected representative:
http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/
*Here is the address at which you can write House Speaker Paul Ryan directly:
H-232 The Capitol
Washington, DC 20515
*Here is a link to locate your local Mosque:
http://www.islamicity.com/orgs/action.lasso.asp?-DB=services&-LAY=yellowpages&-error=orgslist.asp&-FORMAT=orgslist.asp&-Max=20&-Op=eq&Category=OTHER&-Op=cn&-find=Start+Search&SubCategory=Mosques&-sortfield=BusinessName&-sortorder=ascending&-Token=Mosques
*Here is the link at which you can find your local LGBTQ community center:
http://www.lgbtcenters.org
*Here is the link at which you can sign up as a Planned Parenthood volunteer:
https://plannedparenthoodrccorpvolunteer.peoplefluent.com/index.html
To the house speaker and your rep, tell them exactly how you feel, as LightPurple has been saying.
To your local mosques and centers for LGBTQ people, write letters/send emails/make calls of encouragement, find out how you can help, donate if you can.
To PP, volunteer, donate, see what you can do.
❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Great! May I add: the Human Rights Coalition and Lambda Legal. The NAACP’s Legal Defense Fund. ACLU. Southern Poverty Law Center. A lot of these battles will be fought in the courts, not the streets, and that takes MONEY.
Hermann Goering*er! Newt Gingrich told Meet the Press yesterday that it’s the US and then there’s California (upon being told that HRC won the popular vote), basically dismissing CA voters.
Well…California has something to say to you Hermann and to Joseph (Bannon) Goebbels too. While we wait for Adolf Eichmann (Secretary of Defense) and Josef Mengele (Surgeon General) to show up, California will be the leaders of the new free world here.
We will remind you how the thousand-year Reich lasted a paltry 12 years (4 years in this case).
Never Forget
Read THIS. Seriously.
http://boingboing.net/2016/11/11/hitlers-only-kidding-about.html
Whoopi Goldberg said something interesting about this time period.She said a lot of people didn’t believe Hitler and took the stance of “give him a chance” or let’s wait and see what he does.
As Maya Angelou said When someone shows you who they are,believe them.
Donald Trump is a narcissistic, sexually predatory sociopath, and no, I am not being dramatic or facetious. Every single person who voted for this evil will have at least one person die because of this man. Mark my words. But worse, every person who did not vote for this evil will also.
Many Jews voted for Hitler. They believed they were safe from him as they were “educated, upper-middle class” Jews. They were wrong. My father’s family is Jewish, and my father voted for Trump. Even though I don’t “look” Jewish, I’m terrified, as that didn’t matter in Nazi Germany either. I’ve always proudly proclaimed I’m Jewish on one side of my family, but with history repeating itself and the Bannon appointment…I fear for anyone on the alt-right’s hit list.
And Ivanka, no matter how blonde, pretty and rich you are, you should pick up a history book, as Bannon and his ilk hate us for existing.
Physically, she’s the epitome of the Aryan ideal, isn’t she?
You think he’ll start losing supporters once he starts publicly insulting the Jewish people? Or is he aware that even he can’t go that far? Makes me wonder. Would Florida, Texas, the Rust Belt, etc. also publicly support Nazi ideology? Or are they already there?
Guess it really opens your eyes to what Muerica really, actually is. Huh. I mean I knew it was bad when they elected George Bush and started “liberating” the Middle East, but wow, who’d have thought I’d want Bush back.
Tragically Trump can trot out his Jewish grandchildren (Ivanka converted before marrying her Jewish husband) and pull out the “but I can’t be anti-semitic because I have Jewish family!” card. It’s important to note that Jared, his weasel son in law, has effectively been running his campaign since July and he never acted to detract from the KKK or the anti-semitism. If that’s the diversity he has around him…ugh, I need a drink.
And his father is a felon. All shady.
Oh, Trump supporters are already there.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/gingrich-bannon-anti-semitism_us_5829d117e4b02d21bbc99315
http://abc7ny.com/politics/wv-officials-racist-michelle-obama-post-causes-backlash/1606453/
Melania isn’t fit to clean Michelle’s boots.
I’ll be hanging onto Barack Obama’s leg in January, begging him not to leave as he drags me along the Oval Office floor.
BTW if ever there was a purpose to the pointless electoral college system – THIS IS IT. For once in their entire existence, they should save the effing country and vote for Hilary instead.
Kaiser, this is one of the most profound posts you’ve made since I began reading Celebitchy years ago. I think this piece about how to live under an autocracy by Massa Gessen is particularly important to get out there to the public. Everyone should share it with anyone they can find to read it, because it’s true…………history has shown it’s true.
I’d be surprised if the Electoral College will waiver on it’s votes, but now is the time to push for a national popular vote in the future. Write your elected representatives, every one of them. If they don’t write back or do anything, keep harping on them. It’s an antiquated system and has no place in modern society.
Harry Reid is right on it. Too bad he’s retiring. My guess is he’ll work as a private citizen to try to deal with what we are now facing.
And so it continues…
Google “Jonathan Pie on the Trump win: The left caused this”
He raises many valid points and I agree with him for the most part but this idea that Hillary was not the best candidate, that she didn’t work her butt off, that her staff didn’t do everything they could is insulting. This loss is down to bigotry and interference from our federal government. We might as well throw in Russia’s government as well. The BernieorBust movement have co-opted this narrative to use for their own gain. Bernie lost, Hillary won. Hillary won again but that still wasn’t enough.
Jonathan Pie is a character. The actor, Tom Walker leans way right and is approved of by the right. He uses the character to vent his spleen. This is who Walker is. He just finished working for Russian television “RT UK”. Beware of the source.
For a truer view, check out Propane Jane:
https://twitter.com/docrocktex26
Okay, I’m a complete moron and was thinking of something/someone completely different. I’m sorry! Ignore me while I go hang my head in the corner.
@Hmmm and yet many of the points he made in that video were correct. You can’t complain about sexism and then throw around gendered slurs like: mansplaining, brocialist or Bernie Bros. People who use that jargon are guilty of the sexism they rail against.
I’ve been super depressed for obvious reasons but someone mentioned somewhere that Obama has been pretty low key, obviously doing his “duty” for a cordial transition but that he’ll be dropping us all a nice Christmas present as a parting gift. Apparently he may be able to appoint Merick Garland after the Senate goes into recess. Garland was nominated in MARCH and they haven’t done a darn thing. Obama has made it clear – he’s a class act but he does not forget and he does not give in. I might cry harder than I did after the election if he pulls this off. I love that man, so so much. :’-)
I’m so sad and angry and frustrated right now.
A woman on my FB just posted that people shouldn’t be protesting based on what he “might” do.
Why can’t people see it?
So either he lied in his campaign and he “might” not do the things he said? That’s what you are basing the entire future of a country on?
**cries a bit**
CALL YOUR SENATORS and tell them you oppose the appointment of Steve Bannon. I just did it for our two Texas reps and it took me 3 minutes total. The staffers were polite and assured me they would let them know my opposition.
Please Kaiser, use White Nationalist to describe Bannon. Or anti-Semite. Alt-right sanitizes him.
+1
+1000000000
JFC!!! Now he wants his spawn as National Security Advisors so they can get top secret information.
If you think most of the idiots are located in the South and Rust Belt, listen to today’s All Things Considered. They visited NH to question voters there and discovered that one tattoo parlor had inked trump’s anus-mouthed face on nearly 100 people. WTH????
PS Gwen Ifill has passed away.
I literally just gasped “whhhat?”
2016 sucks bigly.
So I just penned by letters to my house rep and senators. But where to send them, to their place in Washington or their district office? They each have multiple district offices, so if that’s were I should send the letter, do I just pick the one closest to my home or their NYC one? And where should I call – I heard the district office. Thanks for all the help!
@virginfangirl
I don’t know if this helps:
http://www.senate.gov/general/contacting.htm
http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/
This petition is gaining traction
https://www.change.org/p/electoral-college-electors-electoral-college-make-hillary-clinton-president-on-december-19