One of the strangest stories of 2015 was Nick Loeb’s lawsuit against his ex-fiancée Sofia Vergara. Sofia and Nick were together, on and off, for years, and at one point, they were going to have a child together via surrogacy. Nick’s sperm fertilized Sofia’s eggs in a lab, and two separate implantations were attempted, and neither stuck. In the end, Nick and Sofia broke up and she moved on with Joe Manganiello. But there were still some embryos left in the freezer, and Nick sued Sofia for “custody” of the embryos. He wanted to implant them in another surrogate and raise the daughter (they were gender-selected girl embryos) by himself. The whole thing was an absolute mess, and Loeb ended up cozying up to the anti-choice crowd in a big way. Sofia maintained that the embryos belonged to both her and Nick, and until they could agree, the embryos would stay in the freezer.
Loeb’s original lawsuit was filed in California, and there are still motions and judgments and filings and whatever. Basically, that part of the craziness has not been settled. But then in one of the strangest twists ever, the embryos are now suing Sofia. I sh-t you not. A rabid anti-choice group has sued Sofia on behalf of the embryos, and the group has even NAMED the embryos (Emma and Isabella). The lawsuit was filed in Louisiana, a state which has a much heavier anti-choice record across the board. Page Six has the whole breakdown of the crazy new lawsuit here. It’s too stupid and disturbing to even excerpt, honestly. When media outlets went to Sofia’s lawyer, Fred Silberberg, for a comment about this new crazy lawsuit, Silberberg said:
“Next week the judge presiding over the case was to rule on Ms. Vergara’s request for sanctions against Mr. Loeb for refusing to comply with a court order, and on her motion for summary judgment-seeking dismissal of the case he filed against her, attempting to get control of pre-embryos that he created with Vergara. That genetic material was created pursuant to a written agreement that required both parties written consent to attempt to create a pregnancy. … Reports are out that Mr. Loeb has caused a lawsuit to be filed on behalf of the pre-embryos in Louisiana, essentially trying to get the same relief that he was trying to get through his failed legal attempt in California.”
“The media reports contend that Mr. Loeb has caused a lawsuit to be initiated claiming that the pre-embryos – which are not embryos, but rather frozen fertilized ova, have been given names by him and have a right to live.” Silberberg went on to say he believes this new lawsuit will “result in failure” for Loeb, and that Vergara is “happily married” and should be spared “another unnecessary legal battle.”
If this all wasn’t so dystopian, it would be an interesting legal dilemma. The main thrust of Loeb’s argument is that by refusing to implant the two embryos (or ova), Sofia is effectively “killing” them. But that’s not true – those embryos can be frozen indefinitely, right? She never said “throw them out.” She just said, “Keep them on ice until further notice.”
Another legal argument against Loeb is that he’s only come-to-Jesus on the “right to life” issue recently, and that (allegedly) at least two of his previous girlfriends had abortions when they were with him. Sofia’s lawyers tried to get Loeb to identify those two women, but HE ACTUALLY SAID “I would rather go to jail than reveal the names. I believe we have to protect a woman’s right to privacy.” Yes, he has so much respect for a woman’s right to privacy. That’s why he’s suing his ex for her intimate genetic material, attempting to emotionally blackmail her, and cozying up to the ultra-right-wing anti-choice fringe. Because he has so much respect for a woman’s right to privacy.
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He is one sick ticket. He’s obviously made it his life’s goal to stalk/harass/abuse her via the court system. I hope that one day she will be free of him.
Yup, that’s all this is about. He’s clearly an abusive, controlling asshole and this is his way of punishing her for dumping him and guaranteeing that he will always be in her life.
Frankly, I’m surprised this lawsuit wasn’t thrown out the moment it hit the judge’s desk. Their agreement stipulated that both parties need to consent to the implantation of the embryos, and one party is not consenting, so end of story.
The LA lawsuit is absolutely sickening. I don’t understand how a fucking *embryo* can have legal rights; it’s not a person. But we live in a country where the rights of fetuses trump the rights of actual living, breathing human beings, so I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised. And given the way things are going in this country, I honestly won’t be surprised if Sofia loses (but I hope she wins and Nick has to reimburse her for all of her legal fees)
You said it so well.
The whole thing is sickening. And the majority of those extremist prochoice groups seem to be made of hypocrites as well, why not caring about children who are already born …..considering the number of children abandoned, living in poverty, victims of sexual abuses, abudcted and thrown as objects into rings of paedophiles and prostitution, these morons care about what? Embryos. Give me a break. It’s like caring about a kitten and then when he’s 6 months old, you throw him into the street and who cares if he dies or starve…
It seems these horrible people care more about the principle instead of real people.
“And the majority of those extremist prochoice groups seem to be made of hypocrites as well, why not caring about children who are already born …..considering the number of children abandoned, living in poverty, victims of sexual abuses, abudcted and thrown as objects into rings of paedophiles and prostitution, these morons care about what? Embryos.”
yes! because, in all reality, they are pro-BIRTH, not pro-LIFE. they don’t give a shit after the baby comes out. then, it’s all you “single welfare moochers!” are on your own. no social safety net; just pull yourself up by your bootstraps and work harder.
I find it outrageous that courts are allowing him to abuse Sophia. I seriously doubt that if she was the one bringing bringing the suits they would be accepted by the courts.
agree completely.
she dumped him after years of abuse and gaslighting, found a MUCH HOTTER and more successful man, and he just wants to keep this up for revenge.
Yep she had the gall of leaving him and he’s showing he is never going to swallow the pill
And he has had the nerve to say “just let me have my ‘girls’ and I’ll leave you alone. I’ll even terminate your parental rights and not ask for anything.” Like she would ever be truly free of him. He’d have those “girls” at every industry event to harass her.
Yup. He sickens me.
That poor woman. I wish abusers came with blinking neon lights so all would know to stay well clear of them.
Yes and kudos for calling this nut job’s lackeys the “ANTI CHOICE” movement. We should just say the ANTI CHOICE CULT, because what they promise are babies babies babies then the same voters don’t want to support any WELFARE WELFARE WELFARE or medical care/ shelter for GROWN PEOPLE who were raised without resources. It’s just he cult of anti logic- hence- a cult that promises one thing and provides the opposite.
this is just gross.
yup
Can’t imagine any woman being interested in getting involved with him after this. Ever.
What the actual hell? I laughed a bit at being sued by embryos, but I can’t imagine what Sofia is going through.
This sounds like a subject we’d get in class to discuss..
just a quick correction to this story. Her lawyers full response (which is amazing in its shade) and the above passage makes it clear that they are actually not embryos but actually frozen ova. So it is completely Sofia’s genetic material. He’s a sleaze.
She has dodged one hell of a bullet breaking up with him.
And talk about the upgrade!
Fertilized ova. So not just Sofia’s genetic material.
@Tornontoe: I’m not sure where the lawyer got his medical information (and am totally confused my his wording) but, “frozen fertilized ova”=embryo. A fertilized egg cannot “entirely” be one person’s genetic material. Keeping them in ice indefinitely as some-as well as Sofia herself-have suggested doesn’t seem a sound solution (what would be the point?) As harsh as it sounds, a judge should order them destroyed to put an end to all this.
This whole case is beyond bananas. But what I really don’t understand is why Sofia went through with pre-IVF hormones and egg extraction when her relationship with Nick had been a crazy, volatile, up and down roller coaster for YEARS beforehand. He’s not the kind of guy I’d want to start/raise a family with and by all accounts theirs was a very unhealthy relationship.
Ah, there it is, the why did she stay argument. I can think of four reasons off the top of my head: One, they were in a happy period in their relationship (no abusive relationship is that way 100% of the time) and she did say yes when he proposed. Two, she wanted him off her back about the issue which is why she set up consent the way she did. Three, she was emotionally broken down and manipulated into it. Four, she knew her window of opportunity was closing and she wasn’t sure she was done having children so she went through it with her partner at the time. Freezing and embryo has a higher success rate, is better understood and well studied compared to freezing an unfertilized egg.
@Lindsey: *slow clap*
Thank you for this excellent response
@sessie her lawyer is correct. fertilised egg does not mean embryo. it’s only an embryo between weeks 5 – 11. Afterwards its a fetus. Right now it’s just a zygote. If it’s implanted it’s going to divide and multiply and while some parts form the umbilical cord etc SOME of it will become the embryo. So not an embryo yet.
I want to know how many foster children this disgusting group has helped, how many children have they adopted, fostered, mentored or financially assisted? The answer no doubt will be none – they don’t really care about life they just want to mandate what someone else should do.
Even if they did foster them, was it a home you’d want your embryos placed in?
That’s exactly my point. This anti choice cult wants to dictate how I reproduce, would the same anti choice folks invite homeless people to live in their spare room? They also wants hand’s off government regulations, but want to make it illegal for me to plan my family my way?
He’s vile. This latest move is likely to backfire on him and the anti-choice group though. If you take a firm pro-life stance, then those embryo’s are already lives, thus their ‘right to life’ has already been granted.
I am rather enjoying that he’s had to resort to arguing that this is his only chance to have children, not because he’s infertile, but because no one has ever wanted to have a child with him and he can’t see that changing.
Well, nobody with a paycheck as big as hers..I think that’s the whole deal
He’s rich on his own. He doesn’t want the money she has, he’s abusive and wants to still control her even though she dumped him.
“He’s vile. This latest move is likely to backfire on him and the anti-choice group though. If you take a firm pro-life stance, then those embryo’s are already lives, thus their ‘right to life’ has already been granted.”
EXCELLENT point.
“I am rather enjoying that he’s had to resort to arguing that this is his only chance to have children, not because he’s infertile, but because no one has ever wanted to have a child with him and he can’t see that changing.”
HILARIOUS point!
The argument makes no sense to me. They’re frozen. They aren’t alive in any sense of the word. They aren’t growing, they aren’t living, they’re frozen. To destroy them wouldn’t alter their state at all. As there’s nothing to them right now. They might as well be frozen water.
Man the anti-choice crowd is weird.
How is such a lawsuit even possible? HOW?
By the way, I just need to correct something.
They don’t implant the embryos, they transfer them. When a embryo implants, it have hatch and start digging its nest in the lining of the uterus. So, tho different things.
That awful man wants to transfer them to a surrogate, but that is illegal without her consent.
The lawsuit will be dismissed, right???
Because he is a male, that is how a lawsuit like this is possible.
I don’t remember enough of the original story, but I don’t really understand how the hell a court in Louisiana would even have jurisdiction over the case. Are the embryos located in a facility there? Does Sofia live there now? You can’t just *choose* where you want to file a lawsuit because you like the laws there better. You have to have some grounds for the court in that state to have jurisdiction over the case.
@Rachel, He opened a trust fund for them in that state. So it gives the pro-life group out of Louisiana the right to sue on their behalf in that state.
That part I didn’t get either. Why should that state have any say over some random Hollywood ex-couples’ genetic materials?
@vespernite: Wow. I didn’t know the law worked that way at all.
word up ladies, if you break up with any dude for any reason…get your hairdryer, your CDs AND your embryos
If he wants a baby so much, surely he can find a women that will be interessted in him and also have a wish for a child, so they can try having one as a couple.
That should be more in the way like religious people think, having a child as a Family.
Why do the two other women he was with did have Abortion?
If they wanted it, their body, their rights.
If he wanted it, why then a baby from his former loved one eggs.?
I find it horrible that a over religious group, unrelated to anyone involved, try to twist laws in the name of eggs and Sperm.
Those women don’t have $$$ attached. He essentially wants to force Sofia into motherhood and then sue for child support. That’s all this is and a sick way for him to continue to have a control over her life.
Essentially the abortion argument was the nail in the coffin for him because he “killed” two other children (not really but it kills the argument)
Is that really possible in the States?
Suing someone to become a parent, in what shady way ever and then suing for money?
Idiot law system?
They are her eggs.
Her choice.
No. He can’t do that. It has been constantly upheld that a sperm or egg donor who did not agree to a pregnancy is not liable for child support no matter how informal the arrangement. A case recently involved a state suing a guy who sold his sperm on Craigslist for IIRC $50, nothing was formally written out, it was sketchy as all get out but the state lost. Since he donated/sold (some semantic issues there to make it legal. Like escorts he was paid for his time, not his sperm) with the intention of the two women having the baby and raising it and was never in contact with his genetic child the state could not hold him liable for benefits the women would not have been eligible for using his financial information.
However, he does get to have a hold on her, punish her, use her genetic daughters to rub in her face for the rest of her life. If he is vindictive that is priceless.
He is personally rich, from a family that is uber rich on both sides. This has absolutely nothing at all to do with money. This is about control pure and simple.
I don’t think it’s about money at all either, or just him wanting a family. It’s about him wanting to control and punish his ex. If he’d do something like this when a relationship is over, it kind of makes you wonder what other things he would do in a relationship. I don’t follow Sofia Vergara closely but from what other people have said here, this guy was toxic.
listen i am not even a die hard pro choice but these people have money and time to loose. Like why don’t use that money and energy to fight for suffering orphans in the world ?
That argument could be used for almost anything. Any.time, money, energy,ect will always have more noble and better uses.
1. In a deluded way they think are helping poor, suffering orphans (they even gave them names) Their mother abandoned them and won’t allow them to grow and thrive so they are stuck in a state of suspended animation until the courts recognize their right to life. I happen to disagree but I do think at least some pro-lifers/anti-choice people are doing it out of a genuine belief that every child deserves to live. Some have ulterior, less pure motives but not all of them.
2. It isn’t a waste because the law is a living, changing thing. As science and technology surpass it the law has to catch up somehow. That is done through precedents and case law. Looking at this in a sterile way it does pose questions that need to be addressed: Do frozen pre-embryos have a right to life? What do we do with the genetic offspring, pre-fetuses, when a couple splits up? It is 50% hers and 50% his how do we settle disagreements about what to do with their biological material? Who has to pay for the expensive maintenance that goes into nitrogen storage? Can you order someone to pay their 50%? How do you decide the outcome when the two donors of the genetic material both lay claim to it but disagree about what to do with it? Custody can not be determined by a pre-nup, only by what’s best for the child. Does that apply to pre-embryos or can a prenuptial agreement be made regarding custody? Are Emma and Isabella people with rights or genetic material in suspended animation? Could being in suspended animation or distroyed be considered as something that would cause them to suffer? Do their right supersede Sophia’s? If they are born how much say does the non-consenting party get? Can they change their minds, be part of the child’s life, pay child support if they so choose? Or is donated genetic material not enough to lay claim to children that result from it? These are legal and bio-ethical questions that need to be carefully examined so we have a blueprint for this types of cases moving forward. It is only going to get more complicated. It was just approved that now children can be born from three people’s genetic material, reducing the risk of chromosomal abnormalities, but leaves the kid with three bio-parents.
Why he doesn’t move on and adopt or find another woman to have a child with is also a fair question. Sophia is unequivocally against this and the thought of it is making her uncomfortable and putting her through unnecessary stress. Why go through a lengthy, taxing court battle that is so emotionally distressing to a woman you once love enough to ask her to marry you?
You tear the embryos in half and give half to the dad and half to the mom, of course.
Because they’re looking at the bigger picture. A win in a case like this would further set the precedent of treating embryos as individuals with rights as opposed to an extension of a woman’s body. It’s the same reason you see them supporting infanticide laws for things like fetal loss during a car accident. The more you prop up the embryo’s rights, the more you undermine the woman’s.
I want her to win the case andget rid of him so bad.
He’s always been a flaming a-hole, what did she ever see in him? This is all just a ruse to have some sort of ongoing connection with sofia. Psycho.
If he got his way, he would then sue her for money for the children. He would not stop there. And if she does not want her eventual daughters raised by him, good for her. It took her too long to see how disturbed he is.
Those embryos only have a 50 % chance to implant once they are transfer.
His whole plan is very sick and stupid. Those embryo are not kid. They only have a 50 % chance of making it.
Even less than 50%. Try 5% or less. She was “older’ when they were created, they are frozen (and after 5 years, there’s not a great chance they will take anyway), and she already had two failed transfers. Frozen transfers, even with a younger woman and perfect embryos, have a less than 25% success rate. Couple that with the fact that she already did two transfers with what were arguably better embryos and the likelihood is super low that they would result in live births.
Hum, no. Frozen embryos transfers have better odds actually. The body had time to get back to normal from the stimulation. And the vitrification means that the embryo still the same, that it have been frozen 2 months or 4 years, there won’t be an issue with it.
And as per statistics, frozen blastocyst implantation rate is 50 %. It’s around 30% for day 3 embryo.
I’ve been in a fertility clinic with a research center for 2 years.
Wow, that scumbag is a real piece of work. What the hell did she ever see in him?!?!
I saw this article mentioned on reddit this morning. Apparently “the embryos” deserve to live because they have a trust fund in Louisiana and they have a right to be born and use that money.
Exactly it’s insane. Embryos are not people. But this is what crazy anti-choice nuts want to push the country towards. Just look at the crazy fetal heartbeat law that was just pushed through in Ohio. 6 weeks to get an abortion and most people don’t know about a pregnancy at that time.
This country hates women and are pro-life till birth. Then they don’t want to help you at all (even if they legally forced you into a pregnancy). Insanity
I guess they haven’t bothered to look at Ireland which has the same law. A teacher died because she was becoming septic from a failed miscarriage but they wouldn’t abort because the law is firm there and the fetus still had a weak heartbeat (a doomed fetus by the way, the pregnancy couldn’t have been saved if she wanted it to).
She was 17 weeks along…she begged them to help her. They refused because “heart beat law”.
She died. DIED. A teacher died! A teacher that could have been easily saved. A woman, a person. Allowed to die. Against her will.
This is currently a rage-inducing world. I’m trying to keep my cool.
@pinetree13:
Are you referring to Savita Halappanavar who died after being denied an abortion due to Ireland’s anti-abortion laws? She was a 31-year-old dentist who died from septicemia after suffering a miscarriage in her 17th week of pregnancy. 🙁 She suffered hell…poor lady.
@pinetree13:
Are you referring to Savita Halappanavar who died after being denied an abortion due to Ireland’s anti-abortion laws? She was a 31-year-old dentist who died from septicemia and E.coli after suffering a miscarriage in her 17th week of pregnancy.
🙁 She suffered hell…poor lady.
But they’re not even embryos. As has been stated above they are ova.
If they were gender selected what do you think happened to the male embryos?
Excellent point. He’s okay with “killing” some embryos off in genetic selection, and okay with abortions, but he’s not okay with the disposal of his “cash cow” embryos. He’s disgusting and I would hope that every court could see through his money grabbing scheme.
The embryos are not cash cows, they are instruments of control. He is already rich, from an even richer family. If this was just some good digging douche she could easily just pay him to go away. That isn’t the issue here. It is merely a modern take on controlling women with bullshit right to life spin. Which has always and will always be far more about controlling and punishing women than to do with “life”.
I think they did PGS (to screen for genetic conditions), and when you do PGS, you might get told the sex of the embryos (it’s illegal to know in Canada).
You can gender select if there are disease or condition that can be past only to the male or female (microdeletion of Y chromosome, per exemple).
So, here, I really just think they did PGS and know the sex, not that the discard the males. But may be wrong.
You can spin sperm spinning and micro-sorting with a high success rate (75%,92% respectively) so they didn’t have to destroy embryos necessarily to do it. You have to be at an unhinged level of anti-choice to believe sperm has a right to life.
Is it strange that I now have Monty Python’s “Every Sperm is Sacred” running on a loop through my head? This man should just accept that his ex has moved on and he is showing himself to be both pathetic and desperate in the wake of their break up. The right to life nutters make my blood boil. As has been noted many, many times, they are so gung ho, until the child arrives, and then they want nothing to do with its upkeep. No uterus, no opinion.
well to be honest… lots of catholics teach that*..
*source: 12 years of catholic schooling
Yep. If he were really pro-life he would know that, and would never have gone that route in the first place.
Can’t even, they really teach that?!
WTF!? how is this even possible? It’s very sick and twisted. I have no words to describe how much I detest this man.
This is just the pro-choice people trying to gain publicity by taking advantage of Sofia’s fame.
Sofia should sue them back, ask them to scientifically prove their claims in court.
I think you mean anti-choice.
His desire to control her and stay in her life is incredibly creepy. Emma and Isabella? He’s seriously deranged.
That’s what I found to be particularly upsetting. I know they probably had to give a name or designation to the embryos for legal filing, but…did they really? He’s trying to mark his territory with such an underhanded move. And if he loses, she might have those names ruined for her because they’ll be tied to this awful man and the court case.
I have to wonder if they were names she discussed with him at one point-if they were it takes his vindictiveness to a whole new level.
Your are probably right and they probably did discuss those names. He’s a despicable person.
Holy sh-t what a mess. That’s all I got other than shouting “What?!” In disbelief while reading.
What Loeb is doing almost seems like an extreme version of reproductive coercion. You’d think that a judge would see that, realize that it is a form of abuse, and throw out the case.
Next, they will sue women for menstruating and NOT using their eggs monthly! I’m glad this lawsuit is happening so all can see the full extent of anti-choice zealotry. These people don’t give a toss when children die of malnutrition or death penalty laws, the just want to save “potential people” not real ones. Sick!
I am pro-choice, and what you are claiming is not likely to happen, because it is scientifically provable that an egg alone (or a sperm alone) are not capable of producing a living human being. I am a scientist and a pro-choicer. We are not all frothing mental cases. Not all.
I’m not talking about pro-choice people, the vast majority of whom believe in science. I am discussing ANTI-choice people, the vast majority of whom choose religion and fake-science over true science when it comes to female reproductive. The people who refuse to accept that women don’t get cancer from abortions, or whatever crazy fake science they choose to use in order to overturn Roe V. Wade.
The “pro-life” label is just as fake as any other Republican branding such as the “death-tax”. It begins and ends with the need to control women’s sexuality based on their religion. They are saving women from sin. It has nothing to do with “saving babies”, because they would actually be directing their efforts at saving babies in hospitals, adoption agencies, and foster care.
How many pro-life people are adopting unwanted children or encouraging volunteering at children’s hospitals to rock babies born drug addicted. Name me five “pro-life” Republican congressmen who are supporters of programs to help pregnant teenagers, foster kids, or women’s health programs?
Just as Their anti-gay stance has always being about religious dogma. No scientific studies about sexuality being pre-determined will convince them that being gay is not a choice.
“an egg alone (or a sperm alone) are not capable of producing a living human being” — well, an embryo alone is not capable of producing a human being either, it still requires the use of a woman body. Sofia, and all other women, have a right to deny that use of their body. A woman can choose not to gestate an embryo, just like a guy can choose not to let his sperm become a person.
Is human parthenogenesis pissible, though?
Good god. These people know that “The Handmaid’s Tale” was dystopic fiction and not a freaking how-to manual, right?
OMG! Seriously! The book freaked me out and yet I somehow feel like we are headed in that direction with all these religious fucktards in the government.
Why is he so obsessed? That he’s engaged in this campaign to re-insert himself into her life? Dude, move on. If you have the baby fever that bad, use your sperm, donor eggs and a surrogate. Why would you even want a baby with your ex? How awkward would that be??
She did the right thing by breaking up with him. He’s seems like a really entitled, bullying, piece of work. She doesn’t want you or your baby anymore, Nick. Let go.
The fact that the 2 ova are female terrifies me – he’s a known abuser of women, just think of the hell those 2 girls would have to endure if the was to succeed.
He probably wouldn’t be that fussed with them if they were born. A bit like Trump and the Presidency. These guys do it because they can, not because they’re that interesting in doing the job they’re running for. Unless there’s another angle they figure they can work.
I feel dirty just reading this. That guy is so gross! He’s like all my weird, icky exboyfriends all rolled into one. Yuck.
Aren’t defendants allowed to confront their accusers in a trial? Is there going to be an embryo whisperer to tell the jury what Emma and Isabella are testifying to?
I feel ashamed for laughing about your words but the Image i got in head looks funny.
Still from a not american point of view, this whole thing is ridiculus.
I feel so sorry for Sofia.
Lmfao! Best comment of the day!
I did IUI, but I was ok my last round before IVF. This lawsuit worries me. Cause it could set all kinds of precedent If someone can come in and sue for the rights of the frozen embryos, think of all the thousands of lawsuits there will be.
He’s a creep, a stalker, and a loser, and I certainly hope this case (both of them, actually) gets tossed/ruled in Sofia’s favor. I just want to note, though, that although these may not be embryos, they are also not ova. An ovum is just the egg – not fertilized with sperm. If the ova weren’t fertilized, they would not have a sex (M/F) – they’d just have one X chromosome. What they (Sofia/Loeb) probably have are blastocysts.
All I can think is, wouldn’t it be terrible if there was an incident at the storage facility and the material became unusable?
Loeb would go back to court to demand two eggs from her to replace the lost ones he apparently thinks he owns.
While that would solve Sofia’s problem, it wouldnt solve anything to the other embryos that people actually want.
A vindictive emotional stalker and fanatics using each other to push their agendas. Somehow, not particularly surprising bedfellows.
The best comment of the thread!
Lol thank you. Water really does seek its own level, doesn’t it?
He’s good-looking and rich so I fail to believe he can’t find a single woman in America willing to bear his child(ren). This POS is filled with anger that Sofia had the audacity to leave his ass, so he’s trying to punish her the only way he can. What a loser.
I think its more than just a desire to have children. He wants power over Sofia.
I hope this guy drives his car off a cliff. What a terrible person.
Wow what a scumbag he is.
Someone needs to take care of him, Pablo Escobar style. As a favor to Sofia.
+1.
Can’t say I’d be at all sad for Sofia if the facility suffered a prologed power outage to the area where those embryos are stored. That guy is crazy and the biggest creep!! Just move on, crazy eyes!
Their pre-embryos aren’t the only ones at the facility.
FYI, The embryos are likely stored in large, liquid nitrogen tank with many many other people’s specimens. These tanks are not dependent on electric power, but on maintaining liquid levels so the specimens remain submerged at a constant cold temperature. The monitoring system is likely electrical, (though it could have some battery components).
I wouldn’t wish to destroy so many other’s hopes and dreams for the sake of this one. I don’t know about the facility Sofia stores at, but the place I work stores specimens for people in all walks of life, including patients who have been diagnosed with cancer and have collected or harvested their oocytes or sperm prior to going through chemotherapy.
How are they getting away with this? Embryos aren’t people. You don’t freeze people for years and then unfreeze them and everything be ok. People don’t do that.
Wtf is his motivation in all this? If he gender selected them he can’t be doing this through some misguided right to life thing. What about the boy embryos?
Is this just sour grapes because she moved on?
The man has serious issues. I’m pretty sure no one is fooled by his real intentions. He would be an awful parent if this is any reflection on how he treats those he loves….What a freak!!!