Kourtney Kardashian, perhaps the most forgotten/ignored/normal Jenner/Kardashian, has a new interview with The Daily Mail. She comes off as kind of ditzy to start, which is typical for her, in that she doesn’t remember a nude photoshoot she did last year and thinks the journalist is confusing her with one of her sisters. It turns out that Kourtney is the one who is confused, her ex Scott Disick even posted that pic on Instagram. Kourtney is really good, however, at promoting the skincare line she’s recently signed onto, Manuka. Those Kardashians know how to pitch just about everything, they were trained by the best. Kourtney told The Mail ahead of time that she wouldn’t talk about dating or about Caitlyn, but she’s somewhat open otherwise, if predictably vanilla.
She doesn’t remember she posed naked for Vanity Fair
That wasn’t me; I wasn’t ever photographed naked in Vanity Fair. You must be thinking of one of my sisters… Oh, you’re right, I recognise that butt. It is me!’ Kourtney laughs. ‘I actually love that picture, but I do so many things that it’s hard to keep track…’She’s kind of over KUWTK
‘I don’t want the show to end, but I sometimes think I would be so happy if it did and I could just move away from it all,’ Kourtney says. ‘By the end of every season I’ve had enough, but then once we have had a break I’m ready for more.’She is surprised when she gets recognized
‘I love having a place where I can share things, but I don’t live my life thinking, “I’m a role model,”’ she muses. ‘I still feel surprised when I’m recognised in the street. I forget that so many people know who I am and have seen me give birth.’She isn’t shy about doing photoshoots
‘These guys keep offering me a robe,’ she smiles. ‘But I’m, like, “No need, this is who I am and we’re all just getting on with what we have to do.”’ It is enviable body confidence, but then Kourtney has an enviable body, not least because clean eating – ‘no gluten, no dairy, only organic food’ – is her passion and ‘working out’ her hobby.She calls skinny shaming “just as bad as calling people fat”
‘Just being comfortable in your skin is a blessing. I feel that people think it’s OK to skinny-shame, but it’s just as bad as calling people fat,’ she says. ‘I love going to the gym because it makes me feel great. I work out a lot with Khloé just running or hiking. Eating well is part of the same lifestyle, but now and then I like to live a bit dangerously. I had a Krispy Kreme doughnut last night and it was delicious.’ She’s joking, I think (about the danger, not the doughnut), but her humour is so dry it is hard to tell.Co-parenting with Scott is easy for her
‘I find co-parenting really easy,’ says Kourtney with a serene smile. ‘Scott and I communicate all the time. You have to keep discussing what’s going on because as the children grow older, the rules need to be renegotiated. We make sure we go on days out together because the kids love it, but it’s really hard when you’re at the zoo and there are cameras in your face all day.’
I sort-of agree with her about skinny shaming except I wouldn’t call it “just as bad” as calling people fat. I think it’s also bad but in a different way. I agree with Kourtney that it shouldn’t be socially acceptable. I am mildly interested to know how it’s going between Kourtney and Scott now that the major outlets are reporting that they’re back together, but honestly I don’t care too much. I think that’s by design – Kourtney seems content to let her sisters have the spotlight and to be the one who fades into the background. She supports her family’s business and she posts on social media but she’s not pulling focus or trying hard to make her own headlines. There’s something impressive about that, but whether it’s due to her personality or she’s cultivating that because she wants a sliver of privacy, it’s hard to tell. She still wears ridiculous outfits though.
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I’ll play the same tiny violin for the skinny women that I play for the white men who feel “marginalized” by equality and diversity.
Then I feel very happy for you that you’ve never been in that position. It is a terrible feeling to battle with constantly trying to keep weight on just to feel healthy, and then hear some nasty person imply that you “just need to get over yourself and eat a burger already.” That is not easier to hear than “she just needs to put down the twinkies.” The bottom line is you never know what someone’s situation is, so it’s always best to simply not comment on people’s weight. Period.
But did you ever have to buy two seats at an aeroplane? Did you ever have to buy clothes online because no store carries your size? Have you ever been called lazy and unhygienic? Or not smart? Have you ever been photographed without your knowledge and out on the internet for people to laugh at you? Have you ever been denied a job? Because that happens to fat people on a daily basis.
I’m sure hearing things you heard is hurtful, but it is not as systematic as fat shaming is.
Actually, finding clothes is a nightmare. Having people assume that you’re anorexic, or vapid and obsessed with your appearance just because you’re very slim is no picnic either. Either way, people are making the assumption that you are deliberately treating your body in a an unhealthy way, and therefore must be ignorant or an idiot. It is definitely hurtful to hear that you’re somehow less of a woman because you’re not curvy.
It’s not a contest. You don’t get points for feeling more put upon. I think we should all be able to agree that commenting on other people’s weight is always hurtful, and should just be off limits. Period.
I’m not trying to make the argument that skinny shaming happens as often as fat shaming at all. But how frequently something happens is not really related to how damaging it is. So let’s just stop doing all of it.
I feel sympathetic toward anyone who has received uninvited comments about their appearance/weight, but skinny shaming truly is not the same as fat shaming because there are far more negative stereotypes that go along with being fat. Our society preaches that skinny is healthy and beautiful and DESIRABLE and GOALS, while being fat (or even slightly overweight) is something to be ashamed of, something bad, and something that needs to be “fixed.” There are all sorts of negative connotations that people associate with those who are overweight: that they are lazy, lack self control, are gluttonous, etc. None of those negative connotations apply to someone who is thin. In fact, thinness is usually accompanied by praise, regardless of how it’s achieved.
Like I said, I think anyone who makes unwanted comments about another person’s body or appearance needs to STFU, but can we stop pretending that it’s truly the same? Because it’s just… not.
I got sick and tired of people asking me when I had been liberated from a concentration camp. People think they are being funny but it’s a damn rude.
I’m so over the thoughts and feelings police trying to come for everyone all the damn time and tell them that their feelings are invalid. My friend’s younger sister was significantly underweight growing up and she was tortured about it in the exact same way that a fat kid would be. She had trouble finding clothes that fit her, she had to eat special foods and take medication that was supposed to help her gain weight. She was told she was ugly, called a skeleton, and people basically told her they were repulsed by her. When it came time to date, she had to bring friends to school dances because guys weren’t interested in her. The big joke at her school was guys teasing each other that they like Julie, as if that was somehow unfathomable and the ultimate insult. How are you really going to try to logically tell someone that their personal hell is insignificant because you personally think someone else has it worse? How about we just agree that it feels like shit to be made fun of for how you look at any end of the spectrum and stop trying to downplay and silence people for what they endure. I knew a girl growing up who had to take medication that made her teeth the most awful, unnatural yellowish/greenish color. She wasn’t fat but I’ll be damned if she didn’t endure the same kind of torture that a fat person does/would. Everyone deals with their own shit in life. It doesn’t break down to “oh, well, systematically someone else has it worse so…” That is ridiculous. People are so desperate to be “woke” that they really just spew insensitive bullshit at this point. Being mocked for your appearance, especially when it is something that really can’t be helped, is torturous in many cases.
I agree tinyfencer, I grew up with my family thinking I was sick all the time…that messes with you emotionally so it is something people need to stop.
Well said anilehcim and tinyfencer, we shouldn’t be commenting on anyone’s personal appearance for any reason, skinny or fat, and everyone deals with things differently so how can we say one is worse than the other? A hurtful comment is still hurtful either way, no need to argue over which one is worse. Ive been skinny shamed before and accused of starving my baby when I was pregnant, it made me feel like complete crap. I’m sure being fat shamed feels horrible too, we should all just stop and think before we say or write things.
No one is saying it’s not hurtful or that we shouldn’t stop doing it. It is hurtful the same way on a PERSONAL level. But on a SOCIETAL level it’s nowhere near the same ( for my culture at least, it might be different for other cultures).
@lockelamora
like you never sat in a bar with friends in college, one woman with a hot body walks in and she’s instantly deemed a slut/ bitch/ desperate/ dumb/ shallow/ self centered/ fake…. men make their own assumptions, s well.
its perfectly ingrained in society, as is fat shaming.
you are trying to mathmatically argue whixh is worse: slut vs lazy, or dumb vs ugly. it can’t be done.
how about Insults suck. period.
don’t shame bodies, ya’ll.
@locke lamora Skinny girl who has a birth defect stomach. Yes, I can not find clothes that are my size so I have to wear baggy clothes and I am called sloppy, needs a tailor and other hateful comments. Yes, I have been called unhygienic because how can I take a shower if I will go down the drain? Yes, I have been photographed and turned into a pun for aneroxia. Yes, I have been denied jobs because I could be too weak to work. I had to leave school because the administration thought I had bulimia because I throw up all the time since I can’t keep my food down because of my birth defect. I have also been grabbed and mauled by men so they could check to see if I was actually a man. I can tell you being skinny shamed is as horrible as being fat shamed and has caused lasting damage.
The worst due to the bullying because of the severe anxiety it caused my stomach problems to become worse. I have never body shamed in my life and I never will. I am so tired of hearing “fat” girls say that us skinny girls could not possibly understand what it is to be body shamed and how detrimental it is.
I don’t comment here very often. I think my last comment was three years ago. I had to make a new name. I ask to all the girls who have been fat shamed don’t diminish us girls who have been skinny shamed. We have lived a hell too. It might not be your hell but it is just as bad. We need to be a sisterhood and not tear each other down.
Please everyone forgive me for grammar mistakes. I have dyslexia too. 🙂 Forgive any posting mistakes. It has been awhile.
Im The littlest Baby Ant .. clapping in tears at this sad Mournful tune ( Lol)
Also Blank Kardashian over here only really impressive accomplishment for me is that ahe has Managed to keep most of her original face parts… like This is what Kim used to look like
Exactly. While skinny shaming is hurtful on a personal level, it is nowhere near as systematic or ingrained in society the way fat shaming is.
Depends on the prevailing culture in your society. I assure you that skinny shaming is far more ingrained and insidious than fat shaming in my culture. Its in the music lyrics, in everyday conversation and it harms girls and women who just cant carry fat on their bodies. Incidentally, that culture is being imported into white mainstream via music. Lots of white boys are singing a long when Drake raps about liking his girls BBW.
Ramona – Yet almost all magazines still feature “skinny” girls. Let’s face it, being thin is seen as the norm; it’s seen seen as more desirable. There may be a few instances of people preferring “big” women, but all the suffering skinny girl has to do in those instances is pick up a magazine – any magazine – or turn on the television. Yes, body shaming of any sort is harmful, but it’s not equivalent.
If she is white and exists in a predominantly white culture, maybe. But remember, we are not all white here. A lot of us live very different realities from yours, I’m trying to get you guys to stop making such absolutist and exclusionary statements.
But over and above that, anti fat shamers need to realise that they will get a lot further with the cause if they address body shaming in totality rather than this devaluing other groups experiences. This isnt a case of white straight cis men trying to push into the umbrella. This is more like latinos asking to co-habit with black people in the anti-racism umbrella OR bisexuals asking for space in the queer community. If you want us to apply some empathy for your situation then you must do the same for that other body shamed group of women without this constant shoving back. I’m sorry if I am ranting but my sister has been to hell and back, and no there was no she found no comfort in “magazines” much less for an ultra super thin black girl.
+1 Ramona
Amen!
Who in this family gets skinny shames anyway with all the pumped up boobs and butts???
nasty.
Genuine question: I just read an article that said over 75% of Americans are at least some degree overweight. So can fat shaming really continue to exist if most people are fat? I feel like skninny shaming will be a worse problem in the future since the thin will be in the vast minority and all tv personalities will likely be overweight???
For example, someone mentioned job discrimination above…but how could they discriminate against the overweight if all people are?! They need to run their businesses and plus the HR hiring are also likely to be overweight too. I just don’t get how discrimination could occur when overweight people are the vast, vast majority?! Can the majority of society actually be shamed? How would that work?
She’s also the only one who doesn’t look like a completely different person.
Nope, it’s just as bad. Body positivity has gone off the rails. Completely normal healthy women are being cut down for being a healthy weight. Athletic women are being cut down for having too many muscles. tall women are constantly told how hard it must be for them to date.
But if you say a 300 pound person is unhealthy and probably shouldn’t be a role model for body image in anyway you’re a monster. It is exactly what it is, the same.
I never thought I’d say this, but I agree with you. Body positivity has gotten out of control.
We should embrace every form of a healthy body. And every person should love his or her body.
But when I see on Instagram women who are absolutely huge and they and their followers are saying she’s so perfect, that’s a big no. If she can’t sit properly becuase of a huge belly, wouldn’t be able to climb a hill becuase she’s carrying 150 extra pounds, and can’t fit in any airplane seat then there’s a problem and her body is not “perfect”.
I myself am overweight and have been heavier than I am now and I can tell you that that shit is uncomfortable and not a functional way to live. There’s nothing positive about it. I still deserved love but to accept my body that way, when I felt so unwell and my body wasn’t functioning properly, would have been dangerous. There’s nothing “positive” about that and it’s not a good message to pretend there is.
It should be noted that obesity is extremely unhealthy, but I personally believe most cases are symptoms of much larger issues like depression or anxiety. Anorexia is a mental health issue and I myself know woman who have taken to extreme body building to deal with the psychological trauma of abuse. If we focused less of accepting the obviously unhealthy and healing the mind more people could get real benefit.
Body positivity has become a way to normalize the unhealthy and in many cases hide mental illness that is incredibly easy to treat.
Personal antidote, my college roommate who struggled with weight her whole life got a medical Marijuana card for anxiety, depression and anxiety and as those things cleared up her weight fell off.
Heal the mind heal the body.
It’s incredibly ableist to only accept bodies you consider healthy.
But body positivity doesn’t say a 300 pund woman is a role model. It just says that her being 300 pounds isn’t anyone’s fucking bussiness other than hers.
There are actually a ton of morbidly obese women pushing body positivity as role models. I’m talking about the tess holiday not the Ashley grahms.
Completely agree with you. I never understand why it has to be a contest. As feminists, we should be actively fighting against body-shaming in any capacity.
see the first comment on this post. this contest talk also awalys comes from white men or women when it comes to race or gender. its just not the same.
if you are skinny you have privilege and you’ll have to get over it if someone points it out. i mean what would you tell a white man who says “everyone needs to be treated equally” when he talks about affirmative action?
its ok to treat people with privilege differently.
Oh ok QueenB. All this talk about working to treat each other equally was really just an excuse for you to get to tell those people you consider privileged to shut up and treat them differently. Good to know. And how can they be treated differently, I wonder? Imprison them? Confiscate their personal possessions to make things more equal? Completely exclude them from society because of this alleged privilege? Scary because it seems totally plausible with some of the attitudes here.
I so agree, Kitten. I would take the feminist argument even one step further. I apologize beforehand for using caps, I know that can read as obnoxious, it’s just that this is so frikking close to my heart.
The whole body-shaming issue is just another GIGANTIC DISTRACTION FROM THE REAL FIGHT. While we women are busy criticizing each other’s bodies, we don’t talk about the wage gap, for example. We may talk about wanting to be treated with the equal amount of respect as men, but WE DON’T TREAT EACH OTHER THAT WAY. In other words: We do the misogynist’s bidding.
We are so busy tearing each other apart over our appearances while simultaneously howling that our bodies are our own. We talk about rape culture, and ownership, and then we go out and talk sh*t about our sisters’ bodies, and we compare notes on who is the bigger victim. You know what? F**k it.
My body is my temple. None of your, or anybody’s business. Your body is your temple. None of my, or anybody’s business. Okay, fine, next topic, ladies. WAGE GAP, ANYONE?
its not as bad, not in any shape or form.
but queenb, how is body shape “privilege”?
or where is the relation to privilege?
ramona’s sister and her experiences would not support the idea of skinny privilege.
ok, i think i am seeing what you mean.
i would still be curious, though, about how this works with ramona’s example? is that a case of an exception to the rule?
ffs, world, i don’t understand WHY people aren’t judged based on how they actually ARE instead of how they APPEAR.
wtf. wtactualf.
thank you queenb, for the brain kick i needed to see this differently. <3
No, you are NOT a role model.
They were all on George Lopez in the beginning….he commented that Kourtney was quiet to which Kim responded Kourtney is only along for the ride. Later he stated Kourtney was the most fascinating because we didn’t know much about her. Kim sure didn’t like that! I hate remembering trite bs, but it helps in trivial pursuit! Now we know everything about all of them and it’s so old and boring. I hope the first part of her statement about wishing the show would end is true. Enough is enough already. @lightpurple….don’t know why my comment ended up under yours! More coffee please
Coffee is on the way!
Lol Lopez called her “most fascinating?” She seems boring and dim witted, with terrible taste in baby daddies.
minx: This was in 2010 or 11. She was the least known and he liked that she kept her life private (at the time). I can’t find the show on YouTube but I’m sure it’s there. Kim was obviously annoyed that Kourtney took a minute of time away from her. I don’t mind Scott. He’s an alcoholic and they so used him at his most aggressive for their stinking show. He’s the only one to survive a Kardashian so I give him props for that, plus he’s good with the kids. Mason didn’t get that smart with Kourtney as a teacher!
Lol. She’s quiet because she doesn’t really have much to say.
Nancy, I know. She seems like such a dullard, the way she speaks and acts.
Minx – Kourtney is no dullard. Quiet doesn’t mean stupid. She’s the only one of the K girls who graduated from college and she was the one who actually seriously worked with their store Dash.
Her way of talking reminds me of a friend who had an abusive husband. She learned to tiptoe around to avoid triggering him and she learned not to express emotion to also avoid triggers but also because it could be used against her.
In Kourtney’s case, the damage was undoubtedly done by Demon Mother Kris Jenner. Kourtney was the oldest and knew exactly how sleazy her mother was and how unfair to her husband and how abusive/neglectful to her kids. Kourtney acts as though it’s hard for her to even be in the same room as Demon Mother. I think the show has been a soul-sucker for all of them (well, maybe not Kim, not sure if she has a soul to suck…. she really is her mother’s child) and they all would have been much better off without it. Especially Kourtney, who actually has skills other than posing for a camera.
She looks like a cross between Helen McCrory and Katie Melua, which I dig.
The difference between fat shaming and skinning shaming is that being very thin is still held as an ideal body shape for all women. So yes, there are obviously examples for which people are mocked for being “too skinny”, but at the end of the day, it’s still accepted by society. That is what the fashion/celebrity world wants. Being any other shape is considered unacceptable. So there is a difference.
is this what queenb means by privilege?
ok. i can see this idea a little clearer.
thanks to @alleycat and @queenb.
I have been skinny-shamed throughout middle school and high school ,been called a stick,anorexic, a skeleton,a Scarecrow and a lot of other “names”.I am very sad to read some condescending and thoughtless comments here about skinny people .Skinny shaming can be extremely bad,depending on the culture and the standard of that culture about beauty.In some cultures women with a full and VERY full figure are praised and the others who are thin or very thin are shamed and told to “eat a sandwich”.
I agree with you. I have always been skinny and teased a bit growing up but nothing too bad until I was in my early thirties. I worked at a school and was bullied relentlessly for being thin. I couldn’t believe the lengths the other women went to to embarrass me about it. I eventually had to make a formal complaint to the school which was equally embarrassing but had to be done. I quit shortly after I filed the complaint. I hate even thinking about that time of my life. Yes, it was that bad.
Yes and frequently skinny shaming comments are tinged with envy and resentment, so you apologise for your frame. Or rebut comments that suggest you are vain or fanatical about your diet. But you’re always explaining. I don’t think I’m especially skinny, more naturally muscular on a narrow frame, but damn do I get sick of defending myself, daily.
FennJ,
I totally agree with you. My sister was skinny shamed since elementary school right through working and having her first child in her 30’s (even then she only went up to a size 3/4). She tried everything to gain weight and even drank weight gain shakes as a teen. She ate like crazy and just had a fast metabolism. I on the other hand don’t and was overweight for a large part of my life. I’m still technically overweight (I’m short) but I’m a size U.S. 10 (8 or a 12 in some brands) . And I will tell you I hated being overweight but my sister got more shame and name called than I ever did growing up. And grown woman were just plain nasty with her. She was called skeletor and barnaby bones, etc. She would be told to go eat a cheeseburger, etc. And she would be in tears. So people telling me that oh skinny shaming is not the same thing has no idea. And I’ve always stuck up for her and my other skinny friends as well as my overweight friends and even not friends, I would stick up for them when I saw people ridiculing them. It’s wrong either way, period.
@whyme – same, my sister is/was very skinny in high school and people used to call her Skellator or cancer patient or anorexic. She would cry and try to gain weight in unhealthy ways like eating a lot (which never worked) and It was really sad because she was just a healthy person with my father’s tall & slim build and a fast metabolism. It took a long time for her to be comfortable with her weight.
+1 I’m mercifully average. Not overweight, not super thin. But my sister is suuuuper naturally thin and OFTEN came home in tears from school. I have lots of friends that are lots of sizes and the overweight ones, aside from their own feelings, never actually got picked on and put down. But maaaaaan my sister did.
Totally agree with you.
Also, in many cultures, skinny means sick, just like too pale is currently perceived as sick in many western countries whereas, a little tan is co,sidered healthy .
I know that in my parents countries, skinny and even normally slim women are automatically related to aids related or poor or less than woman.
Therefore, women, including those from the entertainment industry use everything legal or illegal to get fat quickly, including hormonal injections and other illegal stuff you use for dairies and other animals.
Some women have alreadt died because of excess with illegal injections of anything that can make them look fat, and i mean excess cellulitis related type of fat all over the body because it makes them look healthy and perceived rich or aids free.
Anyway, as a slim african eauropean, i have often felt like insults towards skinny women, started right around the pre teen period when we all start to change, is always wrapped with some illl hidden envy. So while the fat shaming is somwewhat wrapped with shame and public condemnation, it is ok to publicly insult and bully skinny women with barely zero condemnation of said cultrure.
Skinny women can endure the worst public offence and harsher insults in front of an audience full of children, teen or adults and yet are told to get over it because they are slim.
Hell, i rememberred when the only black teen of my whole class, being insulted by this white girl who was complaining about having a flat behind, while i was silently envious of her physique and hair, and used to reassure her about being absolutely goergeous.
She agressively told me to shut up because i was slim with no cellulitis and that every black teen girl were naturally slim (it’s often the case In Europe) and should therefore keep quiet and never complain because of it.
I rememberred all those teen years, my class mates whispering and giving me the evil eye because i was slim. I rememberred all those years, when every single year we had a medical exam and there were basicly debating if i will still be one of the tallest and yet one having the lowest weight.
I rememberred them insulting me and keeping me of sight of their boyfriend because of cousrse, black grils are slim with great legs.
People have no idea how destructive skinny shaming is and when you are living in a western country and happen to be black, it is even worse. They always compare your body to theirs, your muscles density, your level of cellulities and making you feel like you desrve being crutinized, insulted, making you pay ten times fold because you supposedly have it easy being skinny and should endure all the envy wrapped in insults.
I had to wait to hit my twenties to start feeling good about my slimness and not feeling like a sick abnormal person because i weighted less than girls who were shorter than myself though it didn’t stopped my female manager to give me the evil eyes, publicly envy the way i could put some tailors being skinny, this in front of an audience of colleagues of both sexes.
She use to give me backhended compliments over my slim body in front of all my colleagues every single time.
Also some of my female colleagues have publicly refused to eat with me because I used to eat pizza when they tried to maintain their figures eating salad every day. They agressively told me to eat somewhere else and not in their presence whie suppiosedly flauting my skinny body in front of them.
That’s messed up, what you’ve had to deal with. Women can be very mean when they are envious. I have problems having relationships with women because I feel like a lot of them have to be the queen bee. If they see you as a threat, they do or say things to make you look bad.
I think she is confusing “hey this one didn’t artificially inflate herself as much as the others” with skinny shaming.
This^^
Lol
We should stop focusing negative attention on women’s bodies full stop. If you are naturally very skinny I won’t tell you to eat a burger if you agree not to tell my naturally fat ass to eat a salad.
ETA, I will say though that I do not like the way perfectly healthy, normal sized people feel pressured to be super skinny. We’ve lost all perspective on what’s healthy and what’s not, and it is in fact possible for overweight people to be healthy and active.
Speaking of The Kardashian, did any of you gals notice Kim’s butt has sort of deflate? I’m referring to the Christmas Party photophoto. She was wearing a metallic gold dress.
+1 yes for SURE. I was wondering if that would get a write-up! It looks….dare I say…proportionate!
Someone linked to her surgeon on Instagram and I poked around. He talks about fat transfer being iffy because they can grow unpredictably and different rates and get huge, asymmetrical and lumpy. Interesting.
I noticed it the first time she was papped after the “robbery”. It is substantially smaller.
Yeah, she’s thinner than she has ever been. She’s downsized everywhere but her boobs. I think she got those done again.
I don’t think anyone has license to comment on another person’s body. I am thin. I have been the same size since I was 16. Growing up, my mother, who perceived herself as overweight, though she wasn’t, used to tell me constantly that I was anorexic. If I didn’t like the food she gave me, she would tell me that she would take me to the hospital to be fed intravenously. She started telling me that when I was 12. People love to say things to me like “you should eat more!” “You’re all skin and bones!” I know many people perceive these things as a compliment as it is for some reason more ideal to be thin in our culture. It doesn’t bother me as much anymore but I do think it’s the exact same thing as fat shaming. It is pointing something out about a body as if that isolated quality can be altered alone, as if I think exists in a vacuum. You can be strong and healthy and happy and well in ANY body. And I wish those were the things we’d tell each other.
I am super thin naturally and I have had people make comments about it all my life. The older you get, you realize the things people say like that come from a place of insecurity. I just can’t care. And I can’t sit around feeling “shamed”. So over that word anyway. People cannot shame you unless you let them. Consider who is talking and go about your business.
Some people make it their mission to make others feel bad about themselves. I don’t care what other people look like or do, so I have no patience with someone that treats me that way.
“Some people make it their mission to make others feel bad about themselves.”
I often forget that other people behave that way (no, really!). Thank you for the reminder — people can’t make you feel bad about yourself unless you let them.
That is seriously good advice for anyone. Sounds like you suffer no fools and I applaud you for that sentiment.
skinny shaming is as much as thing as “reverse racism” or “misandry”
You’re right. Racism is racism. No reverse about it. Anyone of any color can be racist.
Skinny shaming is slightly like making fun of white people for being white.
It still sucks and it obviously not nice or fair, but it doesn’t carry the same bite as a lifetime of learning that fat is bad.
Even looking at the comments here, no one has said skinny women shouldn’t be considered attractive or healthy, yet someone has said heavy women are not worthy of feeling good in their own skin. There are quite a few pointing out it is t the same, which it isn’t.
My issue is that orthorexia and other EDs are often the consequence of glorifying low body weight. Models, especially runway, are usually under the fat requirements for menstruation. Maybe because it’s semi personal, but I have a friend who will never have children because of an ED. At her worst people were telling her how much better she looked. This is common from what I hear, and to me it so indicative of our obsession with thin.
Thin can be healthy, but our obsession with low body fat in women, but keep the large tits and booty, has to go. It’s what creates kids like Kylie.
Classic Kardashian. Giving a superficial quote to try to appeal to your audience. Does anyone actually believe that Kourtney Kardashian really cares about body shaming outside of the times she’ll be quoted about it now?
Have the Kardashians ever actually been skinny-shamed? They don’t fit what I envision a skinny-shamed person to look like.
I don’t doubt skinny-shaming exists but when people like the Kardashians mention it, it feels like a humble-brag and plea for sympathy. “You guysssss my life is hard too! You don’t even know what it’s like being thin all the time!!!!”
Got it. But what if someone like Angelina said it? Or someone with her star power? Would you guys say she is privileged and its ok to treat her differently? I totally agree when a Kardashian says something they get automatic eye rolls galore because they are so plastic. Its a curious topic.
But part of why Angelina Jolie would NEVER say that is because she is aware of her own privilege. Its a false comparison.
The weird thing is that I’ve never thought of the Kardashians as skinny. Okay, maybe that one Jenner girl is skinny, but the rest I wouldn’t classify as skinny. They look not fat, but that’s about it. I don’t know if it’s ever even occurred to me to classify them as slim (maybe the butt-padding throws me off).
Wow she thinks filming her show for millions of dollars is hard? Imagine having a 9 to 5 job and getting paid wayyyyy less. She takes like 10 vacations a year. Give me a break.
I am petite (5’2″ 103 – 107lbs.), in my mid 40’s, a mother and I work really hard to stay in shape. I run almost every single day. I run marathons, lift weights and watch what I eat. It’s a way of life and there is nothing easy about it. Many many mornings I do not want to get out of bed to go for a run or to the gym. Do I want a piece of chocolate cake? Hell yes, but I avoid eating sugar, dairy and simple carbs. My motivation and reward is how I look and feel about myself and seeing my running times improving. I also want to set a good example for my children about leading a healthy active lifestyle.To have all that hard work dismissed by hurtful comments is really a slap in the face. There is lots of hard work involved to maintain this in my 40’s. And really anyone can do it, you have to have the motivation.
Guys love the shows, can’t get enough of the sisters, have to admit it before I comment.
I feel like Kourt is happy being in the background but she also adores the attention, she just pretends she doesn’t.
Also nice that she got herself a degree as well.
People just need to mind their own business regarding weight. I’m naturally small and went from a 2 to a 0 for complicated reasons. I am fed up with people asking if I have lost weight. None of your d*mn business.
Right? I constantly get told ‘jesus what happened to you, i need to take you our for a huge dinner’ or ‘oh my god you’re wasting away’…. yes thank you, that is a common side effect of the physical and mental issues I have. Would you like me to go into more detail for you? Hint: it’s not an ED (just one of thousands of reasons for weight loss), and perhaps I don’t want to be this thin. Stop commenting on my body all the time.
Wake me up if she ever says anything interesting. Signed Rip Van Winkel.
I could see how being skinny-shamed would be a thing in an area with predominantly larger-made people.
But in the good part of LA where the Kardashians live, I wonder if skinny-shaming would occur with the same frequency as it might in a small town somewhere…er….way outside of LA. I imagine you’re expected to be slim where the Kardashians live (or in the nice part of NYC while people in cities like London generally look smaller). The only way I could see them encountering skinny-shaming is if they travelled to a small town where Honey-Boo Boo lives.
Same. Skinny shaming doesn’t (probably) bring the same level of self loathing and health issues but because it’s culturally acceptable the frequency is higher though less sinster. It happens to me weekly, people comment on my weight. I eat clean and excercise but the anoxeria comments are common. Until they see me on an off day and watch me put away some junk food like a pro.
It doesn’t hurt me in the way that it would if I were obese, but it is annoying. Our only comments to other women should be ‘you look great’ or ‘I love that sweater on you’. Not ‘eat a cheeseburger’ or ‘put down the cheeseburgers’.
Neither Khloe nor Kourtney look extremely thin in the photos above. In these photos, they look slightly larger than Jennifer Lawrence when she was in The Hunger Games, and she was called fat. Gigi Hadid was called fat too. So I’m having a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that they’ve been skinny-shamed.
In Hollywood and modelling circles I don’t think any of the Kardashians would be considered thin enough. Which is why I thought they were praised in the first place — for bringing more normal-sized looking bodies into the mainstream.
I worked with a girl who was super super thin and she got teased constantly. She hated it and I felt so bad for her. There was nothing “wrong” with her, as people would say/assume. She just couldn’t gain weight. I run into her every so often and she is still super thin. Hopefully not being teased. Kourtney is my all time fav. I don’t watch the show but she is very normal.
Any kind of body shaming is wrong, however “skinny shaming” is not typically as nasty as “fat shaming”. Seriously, nobody should be commenting on another person’s body, but I’ve been on both ends of the spectrum. A lot of times when people make comments regarding someone being skinny, it’s coming from a place of envy. It still doesn’t make it ok. I promise you that nobody commented on my heaviness from a place of envy.
I think it’s even weird to comment on a person’s weight in a positive way. I would never point out that someone has lost a lot of weight as some sort of compliment unless I was extremely close to them (close family or truly BFFs) and I knew that they were working hard to get healthy. Even then, I just say that they look terrific and that they must be proud of working so hard to be strong/healthy, whatever.
Anyway, this is one of the few scenarios where it’s better to be a woman than a man. Skinny men REALLY get a lot of teasing and negative comments. Chubby men are treated significantly better than chubby women.
Flat stomach, curvy boobs and butt was the ideal I grew up with. An ideal that is not achievable without plastic surgery/injections for many women. I tried my best to make myself fatter when I was a tween, because curvy was valued in the culture I grew up in.
There are a number of medical conditions that can make people thin. If you have one, you are put in the strange situation where a subset of people reward you for being thin, even though it’s due to having a disease, and a different subset of people tell you to ‘eat a sandwich’. Oh and somehow your medical condition is always anorexia, so there is also concern trolling and sneering (shaming =the cure for anorexia . . and overweight; it’s magical that way). I know people (online and irl) who were told to eat more by their doctors, even though what they actually had was malabsorption and therefore needed medication. My friend has a limited diet due to food allergies, and her extended family would lie about what they were serving her because they didn’t believe she actually had allergies; they thought she just chose to eat less so she could stay thin. Feeding someone food they are allergic to strikes me as pretty dangerous, but that’s ok, they’re probably just envious or something. Thin =underfed and sick in many cultures. Skinny shaming seems pretty systematic to me, if you can get it in lyrics, magazines, the school yard, work, your family dinner table, and even your doctor’s office. It probably doesn’t happen to the same level as fat-shaming, because there are less thin people, but it does happen across society, and therefore isn’t just a personal issue.
It looks like two sides of the same coin, to me. People who are too skinny need to eat a sandwich and get injections/implants, while people who are overweight need to eat less sandwiches and get lipo. And the reason society shames you is because they are ‘concerned’ about your health.
Why do people fight who is the most put upon? Like being treated badly is some prize to win. I don’t get it at all.
Your comment frames the issue weirdly. People already were treated badly. They don’t need to compete for being treated badly, because that already happened. What people are actually competing for is acknowledgment. People who were skinny-shamed don’t want their experiences to be erased from the conversation on body image, because that is just an untrue depiction of what happens in society. Hope that makes sense.
Captain Obvious here just popping in to say AS IF Khloe & Kourtney have the same father. I know it’s an open secret but that pic of them above, they don’t even look related.
She is not aging well.
Reading these comments, I think people are getting caught up in false comparisons and forgetting or ignoring context.
First, yes, skinny women might have it hard in certain cultures, but Kourtney is speaking as an a American woman so I think it’s fair to talk about this is an American context. And in America, skinny is the ideal. Period. I am 5’4″ and 115 pounds and American. I don’t think I’m that skinny but I have a predisposition toward lean muscle and strikingly narrow hips. Women comment on my body all the time and I don’t like it, but (and I obviously cannot speak for other women) it has never made me self-conscious about how I look. Not once. I’m fully aware that the comments come from a place of insecurity, that I have a body most American women think is close(ish) to the “ideal” and that I have a lot of privilege looking like I do.
I also think it’s pretty telling that a lot of the skinny-shaming stories commenters have left here happened during childhood. I’m pretty sure everyone was bullied for whatever was different about them growing up. I was made fun of for my absurdly thick glasses. Relentlessly. All of the bullying experienced during childhood, whether related to body type or not, is terrible and no one is trying to argue with that. So if we look at these specifically as issues affecting adults, I think it’s pretty obvious that fat-shaming is something that happens to adults everywhere whereas skinny adults are on the whole (again, not speaking for everyone) commended for their figure or have to endure passive aggressive comments from jealous women. That just does not have the same impact as a fat person being verbally assaulted by strangers in a super market for buying donuts (story of an acquaintance of mine). And just speaking numbers, it is far more of a bigger issue than any kind of skinny-shaming because America has more fat people. Period.
And I truly don’t think anyone else who has tried to articulate this on this comment thread is dismissing the stories that people are sharing of being skinny-shamed – no one is dismissing your personal hell – but it’s just not factual to claim that that kind of shaming is just as prevalent and damaging in American culture as fat-shaming.