I’ve spent way too much time this week thinking about Brad Pitt and what he did or did not do on the international flight in September 2016, the flight where everything changed for Brangelina. What we know for sure is that something went down, a call was placed to Child Services and Brad has only recently started spending time with his kids again. I also know that Brad was seemingly in crisis mode for weeks, as “sources close to Brad” leaked quotes about how he maybe-probably went nose-to-nose with Maddox. We also know that Brad’s campaign against Angelina has continued all these months, but nowadays it is more undercover and shady. And we know Brad is talking like a self-help guru these days and that he says all of his problems are self-inflicted. So… I found this Us Weekly cover story to be too cute by half, basically. Us Weekly promises to dish some major dirt and the story is basically “he was drunk.”
Since the day Angelina Jolie filed for divorce from Brad Pitt, her partner of 12 years and husband of two, their split has continued to make headlines. Now, sources close to the former pair spill new details exclusively to Us Weekly about the fateful flight that ended their marriage. Over the course of a roughly 12-hour journey from Nice, France, to Los Angeles on September 14, 2016, the Allied actor, 53, “was drinking heavily,” one insider claims. About an hour before touching down at Minnesota’s Falls International Airport to refuel, the Maleficent actress, 41, grew frustrated and asked her hubby to “sober up,” the source alleges.
As the plane came in for a landing, Jolie texted a travel coordinator to hire extra cars to ferry her and the couple’s six children — Maddox, 15, Pax, 13, Zahara, 12, Shiloh, 10, and twins Knox and Vivienne, 8 — to a hotel in an attempt to diffuse the situation with Pitt. “She said they could talk about everything in the morning,” the insider tells Us. Once they touched down in L.A., the kids “piled into the cars Angie pointed them to and locked the doors,” the source says, as Pitt hopped into a separate vehicle and traveled to an undisclosed location without his family.
Though many surmised that the plane incident was the final straw that pushed Jolie to file for divorce in September, an insider claims she made up her mind about ending the marriage months prior. Since then, Pitt has hired a therapist and a sober coach. “Today, Brad sees the kids and talks to Angie as little or as much as she wants,” a source close to the actor, who was cleared of child abuse allegations in November, tells Us. “He’s not making any demands. He’s just trying to do whatever he can to rebuild his relationship with Angie and his children.”
Yeah, not so revealing. Most of us following this story from the beginning already knew/surmised that it involved Brad being sh-tfaced. But even by his own admission, Drunk Brad wasn’t anything new or notable. While Angelina might have considered divorce in the previous months, whatever happened on the plane was the dealbreaker. And whatever happened on the plane was NOT “Brad got drunk and Angelina told him to sober up.”
Also: following the release of Brad’s GQ Style cover interview, E! News ran a story called “Why Brad Pitt Won the Jolie-Pitt War by Throwing Himself on His Sword.” This piece is… shady. “Cold” and “calculating” and “punitive” are ascribed to Angelina’s actions while Brad is “willingly taking the blame” for the “tortuous road.” F–king spare me.
Photos courtesy of WENN, Us Weekly and GQ Style.
All I know is, as a parent, there are only two things that would make me file in double quick time with no chance of reconciliation: physical abuse or sexual abuse of my kid.
Just sayin’.
The FBI found nothing, he was investigated ad nauseum. I’ m still waiting for that supposed videotape that never appeared. I agree with E! News.
I just wish them both the best in the future.
Oh, we are still going with this excuse after all these months? Do you know what the threshold is for the FBI to bring child abuse charges against someone is? Same question about DCFS. It is actually quite high. Just because they did not charge him does not mean that nothing occurred at all.
If this was such a case closed situation like you think, then why does he still not have joint custody of his kids and is currently admitting that he is starting to get back into his families’ good graces?
@Aiobhan You correct! Celebrities get a pass because of their status. Angelina custody and he has supervised visitation with his children.
I believe the report said he was cleared of any wrong doing not that they found nothing. I am not sure if I am thinking of the Child Protective Services Report or the FBI report.
The amount of corporal punishment allowed to discipline children depends on what state you are in. In some states you are allowed to hit a teenager as long as you leave no bruises. Thus, wouldn’t whether or not he did something wrong depend on what state they were flying over at the time? I remember in the beginning of the investigation they were very interested in figuring out where they were flying over at the time of the incident. My guess is this is one of the reasons why. They were trying to figure out if Pitt’s actions were illegal or not.
What I am saying is that just because he was cleared of wrongdoing it does not mean that he did not hit or push his child. It just means it wasn’t illegal to do so.
CPS findings will never be made public. Pitt can claim he was cleared all he wants but all signs point to him not being cleared. Still in therapy, a child therapist still making recommendations, still doesn’t have custody which is what he eventually wants-or so his team says. I’ve always thought he wouldn’t want joint custody anyway but of course he has to pretend like he does. 🙄
@YepIsaidit He is a weekend Dad not a full time.
Right, I don’t think there was physical or sexual abuse. I think that their personal demons are what brought them together, but since the children Angelina has largely cleaned up her substance abuse act…well, clearly it’s transferred into some type of eating disorder which can’t be a positive influence, but in the end, she’s focused on being a parent. Brad didn’t change and that’s what was the ultimate turn off for the marriage. I think she just got tired of his bleep, basically. I don’t think that going “nose to nose” with your teenage son is physical abuse unless of course it’s a common thing where boundaries don’t exist. Parents and teenagers do argue.
If protecting your children from a drunk, angry, out of control parent is cold and calculating, then I am a block of ice. I would have done exactly what she did.
Uh… It doesn’t need bruises and welts for kids to be scared of their father. Have you ever dealt with an addict? It’s hell because you can’t apply logic or argue with them. The smallest things can set them off and suddenly you’re dealing with furious yelling, agressive threats and worse,. As a wife you might want to cling to the hope that things will get better some day but as a mother you have to put your children’s safety and wellbeing first. Looks like that plane incident was Angelina’s breaking point that finally made her realize that she and the kids needed to get out of this situation.
Wasn’t that part of the story–that CPS was investigating the plane incident? They don’t investigate drunk parents who hop into waiting car services.
CPS does investigate a complaint. Sometimes not well, but with people this famous they were probably a bit more careful in their investigation. We don’t have any idea what CPS decided- good or bad. FBI said there wasn’t anything to charge. There is a wide range of various behaviors from being charged with a crime to being a drunked out Dad- which is what he is admitting to, and we don’t know where Brad fell in that spectrum. The confidentiality is really for the children, and I know people want to know, but for the kids sake I hope it doesn’t get out and that Brad straightens out his issues and it works out for all of them.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the DCFS has given BP a warning instead of prosecution considering it is a one off incident & made recommendations for him to engaged to. In my opinion it is not only the plane incident they are referring to, their whole family dynamics must have been looked into. I read somewhere that their agreement is for a year.
I admire the resilience of AJ, she is a strong, remarkable woman. I am sure just one look on her children gives her more courage & strenthg to carry on. I hope she is getting support from friends. BP’s friends seems to be all rallying to help him through so I guess that makes life easier for him. Poor children. In a way a 3rd party intervention was good because they could have not sorted their issues otherwise. A family record is now on file in the system.
And that’s great for you to ‘know’ (though you don’t really know because life can throw you for a loop sometimes)
But if you think that makes you admirable or something because you think you’re willing to be in a miserable marriage with an alcoholic or some other kind of dysfunction you are very misguided.
And as an adult child of parents that should have divorced and stayed together way to long. Let me tell you something if you are unhappy get out. Your kids will be happier if you are apart the only thing you are doing for them is guaranteeing therapy sessions.
+100000000
and if she had, in fact, decided “months before” the plane incident, then Pitt getting physical with one or more of their kids would make it more of an immediate “I’m outta here” than just working on it quietly and with as little animosity as possible.
I think that she had been growing tired of his (allegedly) near-constant drunken state and had probably discussed it with him before. and this incident is what pushed her to act.
she did what was right for her kids and no one should blame her for that.
@doofus Thank you for your observation!
That and the fact Brad said he hasn’t been there for his kids like he should have been. Imagine their kids lives. I’m sure Angie isn’t a saint but I can’t blame her for wanting out. She deserved better and so did her children. The airplane incident was just her breaking point. We don’t know how long she had to put up with his nonsense. And I’m sure there was a lot of fighting. I’m glad she removed the kids from this situation. Her “health of the family” statement makes a lot of sense.
That’s what I said from the jump. There were already issues in that relationship and the plane incident was the last straw.
I think some people were blindsided because they thought they knew everything about this couple.
V4Real, I said something similar when it first happened. I also noted that the balcony “fight” has now taken on new/different perspective, IMO.
and boy did people NOT LIKE THAT.
I have never doubted that is how it all started.
People “didn’t like that,” @doofus, IMO, because their haters happily decided to take intrusive papz zoom lens shots and form a narrative that pleased them the most.
The problem i had with the gleeful wishful thinkers aka haters, is that there was no way they could know what was taking place in those photos – an even bigger problem for me, is that they only took *some* of the pics in the set and preceded to form the most negative scenarios while hiding and IGNORING the pics which showed them embracing lovingly.
Kinda like you not mentioning them in your post. Heh.
Yes, doofus — you know, I’m finding myself in agreement with that after reading Pitt’s acknowledgment of the severity of his alcohol abuse. I was with an alcoholic for a few years and I know how exhausting and demoralizing it can be, as well as a complete and utter turn-off. Add in the all-important element of innocent children to the situation, and thinking of it that way, it doesn’t seem in the least duplicitous that she had secured a rental property weeks or months before the plane incident. She was just preparing for the inevitable, and her concern had to be with sheltering their kids from his drunken behavior. When you also factor in his more and more frequent extended absences, what the hell was there to stay for?
Lahdidababy, exactly.
anyone who said she’s “calculating” (or duplicitous) is putting a negative spin on what was just her planning ahead/getting her ducks in a row for (as you said) the inevitable. I think she was probably hoping (for a long time) that he’d change and was preparing for the moment she realized “he ain’t gonna change so I have to”. and that moment came on the plane.
I think she finally acted cause Child Protective Services was brought in. I doubt this was the first time things happened and she tried to do what she did that night, take a break and let him get sober.
The story is odd, though. They are talking about how AJ asked him to sober up and the next thing the story talks about is that they are landing in LA. Weird.
This is how I see it as well @doofus. And I don’t blame her one bit for her decision. Frankly, I’m tired of smart, cool headed women being labelled calculating or cold. I bet people would be labeling her emotionally manipulative if she did an interview like Brad did too. She cannot win. She’s damned either way.
I agree V4real. They put out such an in love/family centric image, plus people projected a lot onto them, so it did seem shocking to most. But this sounds like a long brewing problem.
I wonder if the kids asking them to get married was an attempt to make their parents try to work it out?
Lucy2. It seems that the children have more sense than their parents, they even wrote their wedding bows stating” we don’t expect you not to fight but say sorry after”. Sweet little ones, As a mother I can feel their pain & heartache, sad
I hear what you’re saying Sweetpea…
But after reading that GQ spread I don’t give one trump f*ck what that man did on the plane, because being an MIA Ben Afflecking excuse of a father and leaving one woman and her nannies to take care of everything is a deal breaker.
But, this “throwing himself on the sword” confessional is a SLAP on Angelina’s face.
You mean to tell me you wouldn’t leave a man who was getting sh*tfaced daily while you were dealing with a demanding career and SIX children…. SIX f&*^ing children under adult age. AT 40/41years old, trying to protect your children from the drunken verbal d-baggery that was coming out of his mouth… while his main concern was Johnny Depping ( aka stocking up on wine)?????????????????????????????????????????????????????
That ALONE is a deal breaker… I’m sorry. She’s treated by the media as if she’s still the 28 year old dreadlocked chick from gone is 60 seconds…
She’s a mother of six, working in a demanding job. He disrespected her.
she said, all of 1 sentence about the divorce, while he spread his a$$ cheeks all over national parks with tears glistening down, eliciting sorrow so morose it reminds me of Ben “I’m a VICTIM” Affleck!!!!!!!
While she’s stuck with nannies taking care of SIX children and juggling a career.
I spit on the GQ sponsored, mother nature tour publication of “selfless Brad”….. He gets a 6 page interview and world wide publicity, explaining how much (at the tender age of 53) he has grown and evolved, meanwhile, his ex wife is carrying all the rest of this on her own.
At the end of the day, something Happened too Maddox. I venture to think he punched something dangerously close to Maddox head. I’ve experienced sh*t like that, and at the moment, it’s not nice AT ALL. But his general ‘confessions’ are reason ALONE too cut this 53 year old out.
i totally agree with you! people who defend him must have never met a serious drunk. if she did break up with him “because he was drunk” my guess is that is a hyperbolic oversimplification. getting drunk and being a drunk are two different things. i can image he got BEYOND drunk regularly – black out city – and never remembers what he said or did. she probably thew out ultimatums and then on that day, on that plane ride, got some clarity based on a specific behavior and stood by it. good for her.
Lizzie TRUE!!!!!!!!
Every thing you said is TRUE!!!
Does anyone remember how Scott Disick used to be back when ‘the Kardashians’ were fresh?? punching walls, missing for days, saying and doing highly inappropriate things, shoving money in people’s faces, changing hobbies often and demanding immediate support, I mean, every week there was something, and that was when they were DATING. That unstable sh*t, changed Kourtney.
Now, add “No cameras” too that type of behaviour, mix in ‘clout’ and then top it off with ‘teenagers and young children around you every day’…
It’s sweet and nice to say, “Hey I was drunk”, “I could drink a Russian down the table, I was good”, or , “I’m a wine person, I like wine very very much”… and add pictures of you crying in a desert… It starts to look …Whatever, right??
But until he’s seen live action, 2000mphd quality, no photoshop, doing things like… forcing an emergency landing, like escaping an airplane and stealing airport equipment to ride away and damaging property… people calling the DCPS, and the FBI………… it’s a different game for AN ENTIRE FAMILY!!!!!
“if she did break up with him “because he was drunk” my guess is that is a hyperbolic oversimplification.” You win the day with this quote!!!!!!
OMG BangersandMash! I applaud your comment. I too wondered why Pitt decided to have a nation wide continued pity party. You summed up every thing I think and did so in an eloquent way! He’s still throwing Angie under the bus. I’m so glad she’s moved on. I want Angie to find a partner who is truly worthy of her.
I don’t read the negative comments toward Angelina as because she left Brad and filed for divorce, but rather by the way she tossed him under the bus so publically. She could have filed for divorce for irreconcilable differences like everyone else. And she could have sought to make it all private from the beginning. No one had to have all the details that eventually turned around, after he was not charged with anything, and stabbed her in the back. It is said that she rented the house months ahead and apparently waited for something to happen so that she could have an excuse for full custody. For all of those reasons people find her cold and calculating. Me too. I was a fan of Angelina for many years before she got with Brad. The way she handled the divorce of the father of her 6 children has been raw and brutal. Brad is taking the high road not saying anything negative about her. He hasn’t spoken one word about anything she might have done during the marriage that added to the fighting between them. He was increasingly drunk during the marriage. She was controlling. They are well off to be finally apart. She looks relieved and soon he will look relieved as well. He’s already looking better. Now the kids will live in LA and they will coparent. Hopefully, everything will calm down and they will find their respective new direction. I think they will. Brad is well on his way and so is Angelina. Seems to me. I hope that no one ever knows the terms of the divorce or the custody arrangements. No one else has a right to know anything. It is their private business. Should have been private from the beginning.
Angelina from the beginning was sincere and only thought about the children and their safety, at no time should have passed through her head the “best way to get divorced” in the situation that they were with the DCFS and FBI entering the family life after all was the Safety that was at stakeand If she had not asked for a divorce then surely the children would be taken from her too. According to Angelina’s lawyers, the divorce was for the health of the family, that the divorce petition involved 6 minors and that their safety could be compromised with the lies that the media divulged, that they had to understand the delicate situation of the family .
In the emails between Brad and Angelina’s attorneys, it is clear that Angelina was correct and she had great support from her lawyer.
Now knowing all that goes on in Brad’s life for himself, we know that he was in no position to want to demand his wishes and that the therapists did not agree.
In November he should only be 1 month sober after abusing drugs all his life and having continued to abuse alcohol and worse in 2016, he may even physically look good, fool the media, himself like any other alcoholic . A person undergoing abstinence is also a danger
In the e-mail it is clear that they had agreed to follow the DCFS recommendations by January and try to help the children overcome the trauma and be able to open up with their father and therapists. Angelina just did not seal the documents before, since it is clear that from the beginning Brad wanted to fight in the court with DCFS, because as he himself said he felt tied by the system. And it was only when he threatened to go into court to have access without the consent of the therapists that Angelina decided to act, since they were all therapists attached to the DCFS, if they felt Brad was putting their children at risk again they could open a new investigation.
Brad has admitted that he has a problem with alcohol and anger … this is a danger to his children.
With all due respect, though…she did choose to have/adopt children with an alcoholic partner. I doubt his drunken ways were a secret when they got together. It’s disgustingly irresponsible and selfish that they added children to the mix. Probably an unpopular comment, but…there it is.
bangerandmash, we are living in a world of unfairness, his interview is as usual mainly for his own gain, image,reputation nothing else.
It might just the realisation that they managed to contain the situation this time, but there’s a strong possibility that abuse will happen if the alcoholic parent is not removed from the family unit, at least for a while.
(I grew up with a functional alcoholic in the house: even if they don’t hit you, it’s still scary… and as a child you cannot really process the situation like an adult would, you’re basically living in fear all the time – it’s not a good environment for any child)
I’m sure he’s an entitled ass but I’m also quite sure she is too in her own way. I don’t think that relationship was ever what the public believed it was, and they are not the people many thought they were.
I Agree.
IAWY.
Yeah, there was a lot of acting going on in their interviews.
Exactly.
Lol, of course, let’s blame Angelina too.
Well of course.
No conflict is ever one person’s fault. I am sure AJ wasn’t easy to live with either. They are sensitive artists, add in 6 kids, add in her substantial health scares. It is a LOT of stress.
Having said that, his drinking is on him. As someone who quit drinking, there are many other things he could have done beside drink in his life. He chose to drink. Alcoholics and drug addicts all choose to drink and drug. It is a choice, regardless of how powerless some programs tells us we are.
“I don’t think that relationship was ever what the public believed it was, and they are not the people many thought they were.” – you got that right.
Reminds me of that meme of a hot chick in a bikini, captioned “Someone, somewhere is tired of her shit”.
Well, someone certainly got tired of his shit.
And LOL, BOOM! @ladyD
Sometimes I can’t believe the misogyny that comes out of women for other women. A man drunkenly attacks his kid, admits he’s essentially been an alcoholic most of his adult life – the mother, gives him an ultimatum to get therapy and be clean and sober for ‘the health of their family.’
Some women’s (@Erandyn) reactions: i feel so much better when a beautiful woman gets left by her man. Tee-hee. Because her worth and value is solely dependent on if she’s desired and wanted by a man. That’s the most important thing. Certainly not her own life and the health of her children.
Reality check: yea, helloo. SHE left his azz. BRAD IS THE GIRL in the bikini.
@AlmondMilk: Well said.
AlmondMilk, you’ve nailed it, I like it. Some women cannot see the rationality of AJ actions until maybe they experience themselves what she went through. She is not perfect but She is an amazing,resilient,remarkable woman. I admire her a lot, her life story is very interesting. She has been vilified for her openness & honesty about herself.
You forget to mention that she already said in interviews that they have their problems like any other couple. She is more open than him she never hide, never heard say they were happy all the time
@Almondmilk Great Post!
Attagirl, let’s blame Angie for all Brad’s problems. Next you’ll be saying she drove him to drink.
Wow-talk about putting words in her mouth. Where does she say Angie is responsible for Brad’s issues? No one, even St. Angie, is perfect.
ugh.
Agreed. When a relationship ends, it’s not usually because one person is all good and one person is all bad. The truth is somewhere in the middle. It’s not misogynistic to point that both parties could have acted better.
Thank you.
Truth. These two marketted a brand and their public bought it hook, line and sinker. Now their public is reeling from the cognitive dissonance while A and B struggle to salvage whats left of their individual brands. Neither can talk crap of the other without damaging their own brand because that would make him/her the aggressor.
Lol, I think “brand” might be your favorite word!
I get what you mean.
A very good point. Neither of them is the ‘talented recluse’ type. Their brands/reputations matter to them, as a business and I’m sure as something more too. Their split was far too public and far, far too publicly messy.
So now after his “revealing” interview he has US weekly drop this “revelation” to make it seem like it truly was only him being drunk and not because he got physical with his son that happened on the plane. Nice touch on putting Jolie front and center on the cover to make it look like this story comes from her side even though anyone that has been paying attention to Pitt’s pr schemes can see this comes from his side.
But remember guys Pitt DOES NOT care about controlling the narrative. Nope, not at all. /sarcasm
ETA: Oh and he can shove that ‘taking the blame” bs. Who else should take the blame for fighting his son and making his family bolt from him? Does he want a award? Oh, how magnanimous of Pitt to take it upon himself and make such a scarifice by shouldering this heavy burden all alone. How heroic./ vom
Instead of “taking the blame,” Pitt needs to take responsibility for his actions.
Nicely said Megan
I cannot tell you how mad I am at that GQ sponsored “calm Brad is here” world tour.
Just why in the IF YOU SEE KAY!!!! Is he acting like a ‘selfless underdog’??
So he was whining too a magazine about wanting a family when he was with Jennifer. Whining about sitting on his A$$ all day smoking and drinking while she was upping her career(5 page spread and all)…. And now he’s a guru who is all understanding because he learnt his life lesson…. Let’s make a 5 page spread about that too, and then ‘evolve’ onto other things.
While Jolie carries ALL SIX responsibilities he’s ready to ‘take the blame’ for.
And she’s faced with every Tom, Dick and Harry shoving that magazine in her face this whole week.
I absolutely abhor how easily it is for these men (read: Johnny Depp, Ben Affleck and Brad Pitt) to escape the harshness of reality and ‘evolve’/move on, while semi regularly visiting ‘the past’ (aka children and ex wives)… how easy it is for them to ‘learn from their mistakes’ and survive them while dumping all consequences on the women….
There is no sense of responsibility in any of these actions or words. You’re 100% right, Megan.
So now that Us weekly is owned by American media aka national enquirer doubt anyone’s leaking to them but then again who knows when it comes to Hollywood.
UsWeekly is from now on untrustworthy. Like you said it’s the same as the NE now .
Being the high profile couple that they were it’s no surprise they’re on the cover of the rags. The election actually gave them a pass in the beginning. My goodness, Jennifer Garner and Ben Affleck were headlines on a regular, and they don’t come close to the adoration Angelina and Brad had. These are human beings and should be able to go on with their lives. We hold celebrities to such a high standard, when at the end of the day, they’re just like us……with a whole lot more money. I pay money to see a movie with the actor portraying a character….if it doesn’t affect me, what they do in their own time is their business. Next!
Why is Pitt expected to air out his dirt laundry for us? I know we are all curious, but he’s obviously working crap out with AJ and the kids, otherwise he wouldn’t be allowed to see them. I’m not team Brad but it’s weird to see people say he’s not taking accountability for his actions when we have no idea what’s going on. Maybe Angie doesn’t want this aired out either.
Because his wife and kid are still taking all the heat for his actions.
Thank you for being fair on this thread. Lots of fans are too invested in Brad and Angelina’s life. I bet my paycheck if we take a look at some of their fan’s life it would be messy as hell. We are all humans, none of us are perfect. Brad is trying to make amends with his family, that’s good enough for me. If Angelina wants to work it out with him, good on her. I read several comments for many years from people who knows them or spend time with that they really loved each other. I’m a fan of both even before they hooked up, so I always read about them. I’m going to end by trying to be a better person for my family and not be so judgement
@BnAfn
You say “Brad is trying to make amends with his family.”
Did Brad say that in the piece? Use those words?
If he didn’t use those words, just think how much more remorseful and recalcitrant he would have seemed. It certainly would have called the dogs off the mother of his kids.
But i don’t think he said that.
Bn a fn. Good comment imo. It’s a shame that when it comes to this subject, you cannot post without a brangiloon trying to attack or ‘correct’ your opinion. I’m looking at you dairy free. …
The thing is, I don’t think he’s trying to make amends. I don’t think he feels he has any amends to make. It’s all the same self-serving bullshit with him. “Look at me, see what a good guy I really am, yadda yarda yadda”. As usual, it’s all about his image, which means more to him than anything or anyone else.
I don’t think people are expecting him to air his dirty laundry but if he’s gonna keep his mouth shut than keep it shut; don’t go around implying you’re blameless and it’s all your spouse’s fault. Don’t throw a pity party about how sad you are for something you did. That’s why people want him to take responsability and to stop the veiled smear campaing against his wife. I don’t think that’s unreasonable.
Excellent comment and you totally nailed it.
Still no apology for throwing his wife under the bus. He’s a whiner. Always will be a whiner. And he needs to get a new horse and buggy show..
If he has stopped drinking as he claimed, and he’s lost this much weight, really goes to show just how much he was drinking before all this shit hit the fan. Dude was probably half-loaded all the time.
I mean… c’mon now. http://imgur.com/a/JWNwL
Omg wow
So bloated and a few sheets to the wind
Where are the days where we ‘haters’ were told off when Pitt’s obvious cycle of alcohol bloat – detox – botox was mentioned? Dude’s looks went downhill from about WWZ, probably even before that. It’s harder to hide when you age. He did recover well though, amazing genetics.
I’m also struck by how much healthier AJ looked in the pics above. She has lost a ton of weight, and has looked very unhealthy for several years. I noticed she looked healthier in the first interview that she did post-separation.
This story (at least in terms of how the media and public are assigning blame) is fascinating from a sociological perspective.
After reading the article it reads like the writer (not you Kaiser, the E! “writer”) is talking out of both sides of her mouth about Angelina, in the guise of being neutral on her and giving Brad more credit than he actually deserves for his interview. This is like when some people praise dads up and down for washing the dishes or clothes or “babysitting” their own kids once or twice, but say little to nothing about the fact that the mother does this almost every day and goes to work for 8 hours. A man accepting responsibility for his bad behavior does not mean he won anything at all, it means he is just starting.
Brad, does deserve credit for admitting he was at fault for the divorce, but he did the bare minimum. A lot of people of falling over themselves to praise him like cured cancer or won a race that no one else knew was being run or wanted to participate in in the first place. He is slowly starting to act like a grown man with responsibilities, big effin woop.
He is a whiner and wants pitty from everyone. Real men owns their mistakes and does not blame parents, wife or alcohol. He threw Angelina under the bus, he could have made a statement in the beginning that it was his fault.
Keep in mind the first few months of their separation, his brain was still alcohol soaked. It takes up to 2 years for PAWS to settle down (Post Alcohol withdrawal syndrome) This includes lots of cognitive issues.
Though I loved Brangelina together I was always more a fan of Angelina than Brad. This incident has however turned me off particularly in how she handled it – it was all so overly dramatic and excessive in every which way.
I don’t know why but this whole thing made me so disappointed and sad – my opinion of both has worsened.
It says a lot about her that she didn’t want to seal the case. She should have done that for the kids from the beginning. If she didn’t do it because she wanted him to teach a lesson, it was a bad idea.
There was no case before he tried to ditch their signed agreement. She had to go to court.
You lost the respect for her because she filed for divorce for “the health of th family”?
Yeah, she should have waited months for Pitt to decide that it was a good time to do that….
I agree. She handled this like a scorned woman at her wits end and I think the exposure was ultimately harmful to her kids. This could have went down more privately.
A scorned woman? There were no other women involved, only an alcoholic loser. She reacted like a protective parent and she probably was at her wits end. Try doing time with an alcoholic, it’s an eye-opener.
I don’t think I said anything about other women? My dad is an alcoholic, so I’m well aware, but my Mom kept that stuff private so we didn’t become a running joke around town like what easily could have happened. I’m 100% team Angelina, always have been, but the incident was messy and public and it put the spotlight on Maddox and her kids, and I think with a cooler head she would have gone about it differently. She was clearly pissed.
I agree, Angelina handled the divorce very badly in the beginning, very messy or, and it backfired on her
A lot of women refuse to give support to Angelina for whatever reason. Yet Angelina has supported women causes Globally, she is a very unselfish woman.
You know what Originaltessa, you didn’t say anything about other women. I saw the word scorned and ran with it before thinking or clarifying what I read. I’m sorry.
I agree.
Yep, IAWY.
I’m right there with you.
She filed for divorce and left it alone. Issued one statement. The press went into overdrive, along with people.Laughing, Taunting, JA memes, celebrating that he was cheating on her. She remained silent. Marion came out swinging. Keep me out of this storm. Then they went in on her saying he left her because she was a lunatic. CH. She was cheating on him etc.
Next Wasser or Geyer told Harvey Levin she left because of alcohol and substance abuse ahead of the CPS revealing they were investigating him. A story was already coming out of MN about what the workers heard and saw. Angie was like I REFUSE TO TAKE THE BLAME AGAIN FOR HIS SHIT. That is all. Goobye
I dont fuckin blame her, this was his mess, and tell me again if you wouldn’t leave a man swingin on your child and always drinking. On a flight pissy drunk, for what in front of your kids.
Then the slander began. Angelinas name rang like Lucifer himself and all she did was take her children out of a home where dad had a problem.
Exactly.
The press went into overdrive because of her statement. And she’s savvy enough to know better.
@Cherry: Her statement didn’t go into specific details about what happened though.
I think you should give credit to her lawyer, there were not filing documents with the court until he forced her lawyer to enforce that agreement and then he was him who requested emergency hearing with the court. Even her lawyer said after the emergency hearing it was a bad move from Brad lawyer to request hearing. You should read their lawyers emails everything was handled privately by their lawyers but Brad get inpatient.
@Fa Very good observation.
@Oxy, you thought she was over dramatic? What did you think about the golden boy rolling around on the ground with sand on his face, purporting to be in sooooo much emotional pain? Nothing dramatic there, amirite?
LOL Rolling around in the sand, no kidding! Drama queen ttm.
So let’s look at this. She was on a plane with her family (a good reason to fly commercial!) and her husband got drunk and is rumored to have hit or almost hit his oldest son. It obviously got ugly. Brad was then down on the runway, right? trying to steal a cart or something drunken and stupid. Someone on the plane called Child Protective Services.
AJ gets to LA, and is maybe willing to brush this under the carpet, go to a hotel for the night, as I bet she has done numerous times for the sake of keeping the family together. But now CPS is involved and she realizes that if she doesn’t dump Brad, she may lose the kids, too. So she maybe gets a little panicked, as any mother would, and maybe overreacts, and publicly, to protect her custody of her kids. People arent’ rational when frightened. Brad had an alcohol soaked brain, so he wasn’t thinking clearly. Fear and alcohol = a disaster. None of them looked good, but he was the catalyst
AlmondMilk, you’ve nailed it, I like it. Some women cannot see the rationality of AJ actions until maybe they experience themselves what she went through. She is not perfect but She is an amazing,resilient,remarkable woman.
I’m just still disgusted after reading some blogs,I mean my goodness it’s like people(majority WOMEN)were/are actually looking for a reason to blame Angelina!After the truth comes out(which really has been out there about brads drinking)the narrative now is I’m sure he drove him,or she’s crazy etc etc OMG!..This whole Brangelina divorce has just shown me that at times women will always look to blame the woman..I Can’t even imagine what the narrative would be like had the tables were turnt & Angelina were the one investigated…& also admitted to basically being an alcoholic..just really annoying and unfair how Jolie been treated really!
Some are women angry at Angelina because he got exposed. Angelina did not stay as they would have in the relationship.
Angelina is so strong, the public will NOT break her spirit. Angelina knows that its her children health and security that is most important and she has their love.
So true. If the situation was reversed, she would be crusified on the main square.
He will be always coming out with a support and an applause from the crowd, and he knows it and is using it.
SaraR. Angelina does NOT whine or want pity because she has seen real suffering in the world.
Angelina is not concerned about her image,
They’re both actors that want to curry public favor and sympathy. His stupid teary-eyed photo and her teary-eyed response during the BBC interview. It’s all rehearsed and thought out ahead of time.
I saw a comment from a woman who had just read the article. She said “so he had a drink or two and smacked a kid.” She actually read the part about him drinking almost daily since college, and still had to describe it as “a drink or two” Her comment reminded me of the saying about guys being led around by their d*ck. Apparently it’s an equal opportunity disorder.
I don’t know whether or not Brad “smacked a kid” but being cool with a man having a drink or two and smacking a kid is absolutely insane. I hope she doesn’t have kids.
“.. it’s like people (majority WOMEN)were/are actually looking for a reason to blame Angelina! After the truth comes out(which really has been out there about brads drinking)the narrative now is I’m sure he drove him,or she’s crazy etc etc OMG!..This whole Brangelina divorce has just shown me that at times women will always look to blame the woman.”
You’re not wrong. I think part of the issue is that some women (and men too- I’ve noticed elsewhere that conservative/sexist dudes really CAN’T STAND Angelina) still haven’t gotten over their Bible-Thumper Butthurt over whatever did or didn’t happen between Angelina, Brad, and Jen 2 presidencies ago. Her looks probably don’t help either. And some will sort of salivate for the ‘takedown’ of a woman like Angelina, Beyoncé, and to a lesser extent, Jennifer Lawrence. But we’re seeing now more than ever what has always been true: Some women really are the ‘bros before hoes’ type and are ready to always have a sympathetic, infantilizing spin ready for men’s bad behavior (whether it’s “she drove him to drink”, “He was a poor rich guy who got duped”, “this is how men behave”, or “locker room talk”) while automatically painting the woman in the situation as the cold calculating narcissist or some other negative or finding some other way to throw women under the bus.
That E! is writer get burn about her previous article where she accused Angie and high five Brad so she wrote this article to make sense of her article which it doesn’t. Anyone can see she was wrong and wrong again as Brad takes all the blame. It just disgusting coming from a woman.
Angelina made it clear and is honest about why she filed for divorce, for the health of her Family. Thank Angelina for him getting the help he needed.
You can say whatever you want about Angelina but she does not Whine or ask the public for sympathy for herself.
Here are my two cents. I was in an intense relationship with an addict. It was a vicious cycle but I tried my damndest to make it work. One day, I was just done. There was no dramatic incident that pushed me over the edge, although, we previously had dramatic incidents. I was just done.
I imagine that Angelina just was done after a time of build up. Maybe his drunken state on the flight was just it for her. Was it ever determined who called CPS? I thought it was someone on the flight crew, but please correct me if I’m wrong. Maybe she looked at him and thought, “I’m done with this shit.”
damn it. he’s smarter than I thought and his PR is ON POINT. Not just talking about his PR team, but the way he calibrates his words on the interview: they’re precise and I wouldn’t say studied but he knows exactly what he wants to project. I truly think many people still underestimate how smart he is with his PR game.
Having said this there’s a battle lost from the start: the woman will always be the witch and the (white) handsome guy will always be the victim. The fact that he’s publicly taking responsibility makes him a saint, basically. No matter his wrongdoings, he always win.
I don’t think he is smart in general but when it comes to the media he is. All one needs to remember is that he was only a few credits shy of getting his degree in Journalism. This is a man who knows how the game is played from both ends. He knows how to sell himself. He knows what tone to strike in order to get everyone dancing to his tune.
@ Jinni More truth will come about him. Angelina understands that public is not for her but she will never whine about it. Angelina will move on and the public will see her soar.
I don’t think Brad isn’t smart. Obviously he isn’t a rocket scientist, lawyer or mathematician but his social and emotional intelligence seems to be extremely high. That combined with his looks has led him to a very successful career on and off the screen. He seems to be lacking in consistency and/or focus issues which he why he keeps switching projects (architecture/real estate, winery, humanitarianism). A lot of intelligent people suffer from this and it doesn’t make you ‘not smart’.
@Jessica: His “social and emotional intelligence” has more to do with his partner and less to do with himself. When he was with Paltrow he was all about the NY elite scene because that was her world. When he was with Aniston he was about her beachy Cabo life. With Jolie is when he started getting into the whole humanitarian social justice thing. Why? Because that is her thing. I’ll believe Pitt gives an actual damn about all the humanitarian stuff he did while with Jolie if he continues to be active and travel like he was when he was with her after their divorce. And I don’t mean things he is seen at during the divorce, I mean if he is still doing those things long after the dust settles and has moved on to the next woman whose personality he can borrow. Because right now it looks like he is just going back to his default chilling with bros, hanging out frat dude persona. The only thing he has stuck with through all of them is architecture and weed.
@Jinni
I agree his switching projects is directly related to who he’s with at the time but that’s more lacking in constancy. I don’t think his social and emotional intelligence comes from his partners, it’s him. The fact that he is able to quickly adapt and feel comfortable in different worlds is apart of that intelligence. Boring their interests and personality, yes; borrowing their social and emotional intelligence*, no.
*GP is completely lacking in emotional intelligence btw; Jennifer is very shallow but does seem to have enough social intelligence to stay in the Hollywood A-list.
Well, just reading the interview he’s still trying to talk like Angelina and her interests.
Some of the other quotes makes him just seem unhinged. What was with mentioning the African lady losing 9 family members and still laughing when he was talking about finally finding r &b?
@jinni I have my own views about the whole Brange breakup but had to catch my breath at the end of your post I lol so hard. Someone needs borrow your catchy phrase for titling a new glossy mag for fans of sad celeb breakups, “Architecture and Weed”.
“The fact that he’s publicly taking responsibility makes him a saint.” Isn’t if funny how that works out? Him publicly taking responsibility for his bad behavior makes HIM saint, but her hinting that there was some bad behavior on his part (without going into details) just by mentioning ‘the health of my family’ when leaving him over bad behavior makes her the villain and the bad parent.
The more Pretty Boy Pitt tries to sound “deep” and intelligent. . . he comes across as an idjut.
The photos from the GQ articles are hilarious. I heard Brad followed a sad puppy around for weeks ahead of time to method up for the shoot.
Hahahahaha, sweet
Agreed! All 3 gaunt, sad faced covers: pathetic. The clothes themselves are godawful. Each photo is worse than the one before, but the eyes-overflowing-with-tears is TOO MUCH! Poor poor Brad.
Lol!
Ugh i can’t imagine going through a divorce with the world paying attention. I can see the next headline ” Brad dating his therapist…Angie is furious and ready to start WW3″
His therapist is an “art therapist” and is married to the guy who owns the studio he’s been visiting 🙄. I’m willing to bet that Angelina would welcome him moving on but of course that wouldn’t sell mags.
I’ve come to the conclusion that this story will never go away, for the next hundred years all these tabs will keep repeating the same nonsense. Then we will all convene here and bitch about Pitt being an inconsiderate drunken image obsessed man child (my take) while the other side, calls Angelina an over reacting evil witchy-witch lying liar & all the other nonsense people like throwing at her. Pitt literally came out and used words, lots of them & to my mind lame…but he actually admitted though vaguely to his issues, but yet here we are again, still questioning Jolie. Yet again women are doubted & questioned and shouts of burn her at the stake, she’s crazy etc. While men are lauded for literally being petty drunks more concerned with their image.
Angelina will never win with some & she knows that. The man actually said he had a drinking problem that resulted in him acting in unacceptable ways and led to his divorce, & him not seeing his kids,that should be the headline. Brad pitt admits to drinking problem. It boggles the mind that people don’t think that Pitt has been getting away with who knows what for the best part of 30 years, it’s standard hollywood male issues Depp, Affleck etc Who knew the entire time Angelina was actually raising 7 kids? E is a joke, just like Us weekly and Page 6 with their lies of New York parties.
So true.
I still can’t get over those GQ cover photos. He looks like he’s in the middle of an ad for constipation.
“Before Unstop the PipeXR, I was embarrassed about my bowel movements. Or lack thereof, [chuckle]. But Unstop the PipeXR helped me take my life back. No more hiding in crowds. No more missing out on life. No more reasons to look wistful while staring into the camera with powdered sugar on my face. Thanks, Unstop the PipeXR!”
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The styling and Brads posing is embarrassing.
It made me think less of his acting ability, he was obviously ‘performing’ sadness.
I agree, but so was she imo in the interviews during her Cambodian movie premiere. I honestly don’t know what to think about that.
I still hate it that some websites dragged Marion into this messy divorce.
Me too, and it bothered me that neither of them shut those rumors down, Marion herself had to and was still harassed.
But then again Brad has a history of letting women take the tabloid blame for his problems.
Like I said last night it never fails.He is hailed as brave, honest, raw more attractive for opening up and she is the angry,scorned ,evil woman.
The host of The Talk were fawning over him and saying they love him more.So a man admitting to behavior that destroys his family is praised.I doubt she would be praised if the roles were reversed.
He said this is all his fault. He owned it. He didn’t blame Angie nor anyone else. Why is that not enough? I think they are both in a better place and that is what matters for them and their children. We fans and none fans regardless of who you like don’t matter.
Let them just move on and all the back and forth mean nothing. Obviously the tabloid stories are FAKE and they know squat. I’m glad Brad said the truth and Angie was not attacked by him. Big disappointment for those that were all he is trashing her. She is trashing him. MOVE ON.
Trashing him how? What has she said about him? She hasn’t said a thing about him. She’s taking care of business and raising her family while he’s pouting and whining about how penitent he is.
Carmen she’s not saying Angelina was trashing him. She’s talking about the tabloids and gossip readers that said they were trashing each other.
i’ve said this before and i stand by it: i think part of the reason jennifer anniston didn’t have children with brad pitt is because she didn’t think he’d be a good father. she had an abusive parent and he liked to party. putting up with it in a marriage can be different when you don’t have kids. i know people who are married to alcoholics who loved to being with a charming mr. good-time, life of the party where the hangovers and occasional bad night was just part of it. then they had kids and realized it was a real problem once the stress of it raising kids changed the fun drunk into the mean drunk and that having a useless spouse several days a week due to hangovers and sickness isn’t worth the trouble.
he manipulated that narrative big time when he jumped into bed with angie. he made it t sound like jen neglected him by refusing to have kids with him. now he has his kids and he squandered that marriage too.
Agreed.
That’s a very interesting take and may be a portion of it but I also think Jennifer just doesn’t want kids and wasn’t 100% honest with herself or him about it. She has been divorced from Brad since 2005 and still doesn’t have any kids with all her resources (adoption, surrogacy, sperm donor, etc.). Nothing wrong with not wanting kids but it’s clear it was his first priority and she wasn’t as gung-ho about it.
Well, except her friends (in that infamous Vanity Fair interview) claimed it was always important to her, not to Brad. And didn’t he also say something along those lines–no particular interest in kids until he met Jolie? And that the stuff being said about Aniston in that regard was a lie? Aniston could have fertility issues, anxiety about her relationship with her mother and her broken family etc., wanted kids in theory but just couldn’t pull the trigger. I remember she said at one point she didn’t want to be a single mother. She’s been married, what, two years now? If she doesn’t have a child via adoption or surrogacy in the next year or two, I guess we can presume she might have been lying about wanting children. To the public and/or herself. Or she could have changed her mind. Who knows.
I read that article and she definitely said she wanted kids (I don’t remember them saying that kids wasn’t important to Brad) and I can imagine she doesn’t want to be a single mom. I think Jennifer at one point probably did want kids (most people do) but after so many years and nothing, I believe she just changed her mind and that was a portion of what led to the breakdown of their marriage*. I must say if I wake up one morning and Jen and Justin are on the cover of People magazine with a baby (adopted or surrogate) I’ll be absolutely shocked.
*yes I’m speculating because this is a gossip site.
I agree also. Now, does anyone have any theories on what was the catalyst for them finally getting married after 10 years, if he’s been an addicted mess for most of that decade? It seems a bit of an odd thing to do well after the realization of “nothing is going to change” must have set in. It seems as if they’ve been having problems for quite some time. So why get married (with the resultant ongoing divorce) rather than just continue living together? Wouldn’t it have been a lot less messy?
Many couples marry as a last-ditch bandaid for the problems in their relationship, but there’s a lot to suggest their primary motivation was the kids’ wanting it.
@lizzy
I think part of the reason Jennifer aniston didn’t have kids with Brad Pitt, is because you can’t have kids with someone who doesn’t want kids with you and wants to not be married to you anymore. That’s not me saying that. That’s Jen herself.
As for Pitt’s narrative. He told the world, Diane Sawyer, Charlie Rose and Oprah that their marriage wasn’t working because they had stopped growing, had different interests and didn’t have much in common. He was so final about his decision to move on if things weren’t working, Oprah had him on while promoting Troy to explain himself. That was pre Angelina. Everyone knew they weren’t working out waaay before Angelina. They had separated twice and she told some mag Brad wasnt even THE love of her life. You sure wouldn’t know it by her subsequent 10yr long pity party, but she said it. There are pics of them looking miserable in Malta, where Anison had visited only once over a 3 month period then told some mag she was loving her alone time. They both released an official statement saying it was an amicable split and they were moving on as friends.
Jen’s caveat was, ‘but only if you never hook up with the most beautiful woman in the world, as I have major insecurities.’
@AlmondMilk: I don’t recall Aniston ever having said that, but let’s run with the idea that she did:
If that’s the case, Pitt with the help of Jolie threw that woman under the bus. The narrative came out very quickly that “selfish, career-obsessed Aniston wouldn’t give poor Brad Pitt babies”, and in part that was aided by the comment that Jolie made about “being a shoulder to cry on, Brad wanted kids and it just wasn’t happening for him”.
In the scenario you describe, it was Pitt who wouldn’t give Aniston babies. And in the scenario you describe, it wasn’t “happening for him” because he was making no effort for it to happen. Yet, Aniston was put into the public position of being the “horrible, selfish, puts her career above everything wife” who wouldn’t give her husband babies and therefore deserved to lose him to someone who would.
Yes, signs pointed to them having difficulties well before they split. Perfectly normal, people don’t tend to get divorced because everything is hunky dory. One can say however, that the man is predictable, signs have also pointed to his current marriage being in difficulty. The same signs, he checked out of his first marriage and spent much of the last year of it travelling alone. He’s done exactly the same thing in this one.
We’re seeing in real time how he’s attempting to craft the narrative in such a way that he comes out looking as lily-white as possible while subtly attempting to demonize his soon-to-be ex-wife. With that in mind, it’s a bit bemusing to see his quotes from back then being cited as the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Leopards don’t change their spots.
I don’t recall her ever saying that either, but if so, I agree with Felicia, that’s on Brad.
My guess is early on Jen did want kids with him, but in waiting for the timing to be right, the relationship fell apart. Given all he has said about his substance abuse and his issues back in those days, I’d bet that played a big part. If so, it’s disturbing that for YEARS he allowed the narrative to be that she didn’t want to “give him children”.
Over time since she has since changed her mind and no longer feels the need- as people are entitled to do.
Some of public cannot believe he is actually telling some of the truth about himself and they still believe Angelina is to blame for his drinking. He has most of the media, most hollyweird and a lot of the public on his side but he knows deep down at the end of the day he does not have the most important thing in his life full time his family.
He had it all the best family and wife.
Speculating over what he did or didn’t do on that plane is tiresome and pointless, as the fact remains that DCFS deemed it serious enough to detain his children and subject him to monitored visits (something even AJ didn’t request in her filing). At this stage the only question I want answered by his defenders and by himself is why, if nothing really happened, he didn’t take DCFS to court and challenge their findings/conclusions? Why he agreed to such restrictive terms? All Pitt does is refer vaguely to the “system” in the GQ interview, as if he had no recourse and ability to challenge it, as if DCFS is really that powerful that a wealthy white man could so easily be railroaded by it. The fact people don’t/refuse to see or understand that from day one he has deliberately sought to paint himself as the victim (precisely because he can’t answer that question), or that people actually believe he is the victim, just speaks to the shield Pitt’s white maleness has and will always cloak him with.
@Gunnar Keep speaking the truth!
@Gunnar, “the only question I want to answer by his defenders and by himself is why…” Do you really think that is any of our business? I know I would not like it if people I don’t know wanted to ask me question about my personal business between me and my husband. Remember if he says anything it would be in print to embarrass his wife and children for many years to come. I know this is a gossip site but some of us is really taking this too personal, jmo.
i am not gunnar but i can tell you that nothing to do with nobody’s business…more to do with a disturbing mindset…with an ability to completely and utterly be deaf, dumb and blind.
i do want to know how his defenders keep walking straight past facts, over and over and over again.
i take that mindset personally because it literally effects the world.
(the MINDSET. despite me saying this, and bolding it, i am sure someone will choose to read this as “brad and angelina’s divorce effects the world”. i am not saying that.)
and yes, oh yes, i am calling out deplorables. this is deplorable thinking, this is deplorable behaviour. textbook.
oh well. bigly collapse coming. fuck it all, right?
so sad.
don’t look to his defenders for any logic.
at this point i have to say i have seen wood chips that display more reasoning and deducing powers than some of these comments.
i never thought i would see *this* degree of obstinate ignorance.
shameful and telling.
oh well, humans will be humans, right?
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Yes…. Brad won again….. He now admitted tht he’s wrong… People blame angelina until now. Does brad knows really know how to love? He’s taking talking, owning and taking responsibilities.. Brad knew all the sides is on him I really feel for angelina because she took all the heat, people blame her.
@del He needs to apply action instead of words in the future. I will say again Society looks to words that will make changes, its action that make changes. He said he will try to be a better man, Pay Attention to his Actions in the future.
His premiere for War Machine is in a few weeks , he shooting a new movie in July Ad Astra (pre-production) He has not stop working
What did he win? He lost his family.
Brad could admit to beating his children from the time of their birth and some people would still bend over backwards to make that Angelina’s fault.
Yep She drove him to beat their kids.
#sarcasm
Yep. It would then become “Well SHE’s the bad person because why did she stay? Think of the Children! So much for her being Pro-Woman!” Not saying that that’s what I think happened with the Jolie-Pitts at all.
I gave him the benefit of the doubt until it became clear she’s getting sole physical custody of the kids (at least it seems that way). That wouldn’t have happened if there wasn’t plenty of evidence that he had anger and substance abuse issues, had been an absent father the bulk of the time since they married etc. He probably said something really terrible to/about Maddox on the plane, and for the kids’ sake everyone agreed he needed serious therapy to learn how to commit to (co-)parenting in a healthy way. More speculation–she was the alpha, more controlling, he was the beta in the relationship, more accommodating and he had anger issues related to that. Despite the heat when they got together, they seem like such opposites–easy to see how that could spiral into an unhealthy dynamic. But good that he took responsibility–no one forced him to drink and berate his kids. That’s entirely on him.
I think AJ and Pitt are more alike than we think.(I’m not saying they’re the same) I think we just have certain perceptions of them based on their pasts etc. I think Pitt is as much of a control freak as she is, I think in a lot of ways they complimented certain things about each other, in terms of drive, ambition and the like. Ultimately I think both are alpha and he deferred as much to her and as she did to him. It’s clear the different parts of their personalities eventually over powered the smaller ways in which they were similar. I also think she continued to evolve , while he stayed the same or changed in not so nice ways & his selfish man child tendencies didn’t help. I don’t think Pitt can handle custody of the children just yet, that’s why her initial request was for sole. I know people like ignoring the lawyers emails, but I strongly believe that was always the end goal, to get Pitt to a place where he can handle being a present , attentive dad and Co parent effectively. No mother is sending off her children to an emotionally unavailable destructive father half the time. Angelina has her own issues I’m certain , I’m sure she’s also cleaning up her side of the street too.
@crazydaisy below, I agree she’s a classy dame. I love how she’s just with her children and true not taking swings and being graceful and mature. I loved her before this mess, I’m in awe of her even more so and not because she’s pretending to be some perfect being, but because she’s always owned who she is , flaws and all.
This all makes sense, too.
No Angie’s said before that Brad is the disciplinarian, she let the kids do whatever they want. But that he wanted them to have structure.
When did she ever say that? She said Brad was the disciplinarian with the boys but she had to be the disciplinarian with the girls, because Brad had a soft spot for the girls and essentially let them walk all over him. In fact, according to her, Z had Brad wrapped around her little finger by the time she was two and a half.
@Carmen You are correct about what Angelina said.
He said he is not fighting her anymore. Not going to court. That would be a no win situation. The only question would be who would lose worst? So, him not having custody probably has to do with him deciding to let angie decide when he can see the kids. The only alternative being he would have to take her to court. She was not backing down from full custody, apparently. He would have to go to court, prepare for a year, completely tearing her down and she him. He decided that that would hurt the kids more and dropped it. They will work out that he will see them. And as the kids get older, they will decide for themselves. Now that he has them living within a few miles, they can walk to his house. He works and travels, she works and travels. It will work out now that where they will live has been agreed. Apparently. So, going to court would be the less wise option, all around. If he is concerned with the children. He’s going to leave the particulars up to Angie. He trusts her with his life. Once again.
Kaiser, I like how you started off this piece with “I’ve spent way too much time this week thinking about Brad Pitt”, since I feel the same. 😉 Especially after yesterday’s GQ article and related stories came out. How did I feel about the interview, and why? I’ve been looking at my reaction.
All of us who identify as a fan of Angelina Jolie have strong, strong feelings about what is happening with the divorce. But of course, since we don’t really know Brad and Angie, most of what we feel and think about them is projection. Our past experience—of both our parents and our own relationships or marriages—is a huge influence on how we interpret stories about these celebrities whom we’ve never even met, but do sincerely, from a distance, LOVE. Or hate, depending.
I was glad that Brad admitted in the GQ interview that he is a lifelong substance abuser and drunkard. He pretty much took full responsibility for his marriage unraveling, and his family being “ripped apart” due to his drinking and absenteeism. He didn’t go into the plane incident, or confess to any physical/violent actions, which we all suspect are what pushed Angie over the edge. He comes off as cool and suave (“I was a professional”) and not very vulnerable, despite the sad puppy face and the therapy admission. On the other hand, this is an addict, fessing up in a public way, which is a big deal—a step necessary for recovery. He also admitted that he tends to hold a grudge, get very righteous over perceived slights, probably felt very sorry for himself at first, if not still. We don’t know. (And did anyone catch the line about “affairs” that would be spotlighted if the divorce were public? More to the story…)
I feel like Brad is in a process, a process at which he may or may not succeed. I appreciate that at least he said SOMETHING to own up to his accountability, and to release Angelina from being pegged as the unhinged b*tch with “no self-regulating mechanism.” He has taken a public step that gives him the opportunity to keep walking in the right direction. We don’t know if he will. He needs to take it way further to get my respect, hence I find the media fawning over ‘Brave Brad’ meme to be repulsive. On the other hand, he did come out and state he was a drunk who hit bottom and lost everything—that’s pretty big.
Meanwhile, I project that Angelina is just being the classiest dame ever, not taking any swings, caring for all SIX children on her own, being a role model of grace and maturity, beautiful as ever. Love her. xx
Best comment. I like Angelina and I happen to think she is a strong, classy, and no-nonsense woman.
Crazy, I suspect he is giving in to Angelina because if she takes him to court apart from his addiction there is more dirt about him to come out that’s why initially he was so anxious for the court papers to be sealed/ heard privately using the he children’s privacy as an excuse. I read some where that he was having an affair with another Hollywood A lister actress. Not Marion Cottilard.
I feel like Jen has been vindicated in some ways by his GQ interview. he blamed her for being a drug addict which he never stopped and became alcoholic during his relationship with jolie. but poor Jen was trashed by brangelina fans though the backlash brad received in 2011 and 2013 was something I hadn’t witnessed before since his smear campaign against her back then but am glad you guys know how it feels now. everything has beginning and an end in this world. brad will forever be a manchild, a whiner and loser. definitely jen, and all his other girlfriends dodged a huge bullet
Poor Jen? Angelina was also trashed and still is..
Right? Angelina and Jennifer were both smeared by his camp. It’s so obvious when you see he has been leaking lies to freaking IN TOUCH magazine. One of the most dispicable mags ever.
His team liked having the -fake image – of two women fight over him. They needed to keep Aniston in his narrative because the public likes her which is why he’s always said she’s his friend. Men looked at brad as a hero because he had two women fighting for him and women hated either Aniston or Jolie but loved Pitt. 🙄 His Pr team has always been good.
This article (particularly the pictures) is the equivalent of the W shoot he did shortly after separating from Aniston. Visuals are much stronger than words. That one was “children, children, children”. This one is “poor tortured Brad, all alone in the wilderness looking lost, lonely and sad”. I wonder if he owns the rights to this one too?
I stubled upon Harry Styles a few weeks ago when that new song came out so I googled him. Some photos popped up and he was wearing some of the clothes Brad is wearing in this photo shoot (I just love this coulourful style on men so some of the pieces sort of stuck with me). I find that funny because it occured (at least to me) that Brad is trying to stay relevant and hip. In reality though he is doing what some boy probably not even half his age did a while back. He seems a bit lost and grasping for some new identity and this whole PR thing reflects that. It all seems like a well crafted image. The surface. We are yet to see what is underneath and what he truly thinks of his actions and self inflicted situation.
Yes, I saw the Harry and Brad photos on twitter. It was the same photographer for both shoots and they must have used the same stylist because they wore the same sweater in their photos. It’s too much.
I remember coming here when y’all would have post about Brangelina and I toldya he was a fake good daddy -he basically confirmed that in his interview. It was all for his image and he LOVES calling the paparazzi because back then he was photographed ditching his family ALL the time . Even when Angelina would be on humanitarian missions Pitt would be photographed flying somewhere and ditching the kids. He skipped out on Father’s Day and birthdays we know this because he was photographed ditching them.
Angelina wanted us all to believe he was a good partner/parent so she lied for him A LOT.
I think Angelina lied when she told us all that he was soooooo there for her during the double mastectomy- photos of Pitt traveling around the world around the same time she would’ve been going through it exist.
I think she was with him for the kids but if he didn’t want to help raise them what’s the point? Then when he is there helping he’s a jackass to her and the kids!!!!! No point!
Plus, she’s had to deal with her own past addictions so being with an addict was probably very toxic for her own sobriety.
So glad she got out of that toxic mess it’s just unfortunate it took him hurting the kids to get out.
his little stunt with the gq interview and all of the leaks to the media 🙄 Make him look real desperate. He needs his Netflix movie to be a hit because he has had back to back flops.
A lot the male celebrities are supporting him. Right he does heve production company and some them need work.
Angie was acting as his PR to protect his image. It’s all about their brand & image =$$$$$$$$$ loads. She is a strong woman to managed her exit well from their relationship, she said then & now family “first”. She’s always prioritise her children first before herself & I applaud her for that.
Angie was acting as his PR to protect his image. It’s all about their brand & image =$$$$$$$$$ loads.
I don’t believe he abused the kids because Angelina is a mother Bear. If he had those kids would be on the next plane to Rwanda or some other back of beyond place with a guard to keep Pitt out. She wouldn’t care about legal things, she has the money and she would protect them.
I think he was just a boozy pain in the arse, shouty husband.
He has won the PR war though- very clever
I do not believe Angelina was playing the PR game. Angelina has her children and that’s more important to her than PR image. She understands she will never be accepted by some of the public and she does not care.
Some people really believe that she cares what you think of her, ‘NOPE’. On the other hand he does care what you think of him.
he’s clever or the public is dense??
Anyway, I’ve always said he was the one controlling Brangelina image. He has CAA behind him she doesn’t. CAA gets there way from the media for Brad by using other clients as leverage.
When he recieved awards he never thanked Angelina Why?
No side here. Just a Minnesotan correcting something: It’s International Falls Airport, not Falls International Airport. Gotta represent!
Question why is brad so liked in hollyweird?
She must have known what he was like, having been together so long. Makes you wonder why she married him when she did.
Perhaps the reason is, like for most of the other people who get married – because she loved him? Because he promised to change his behavior? Because she knew he was good man with troubles? She probably still loves him, but what happened with the kids was just too much for her…
Angie put the children’s welfare “first” before herself. Angie is about family but Brad is about Hollywood & fame. Angie is definitely more grounded & more stable in looking after the children she rescued them from an alcoholic temperamental environment, all the best to all of them especially the children who hopefully recover from their ordeal.
I never read the GQ article but had to laugh when I saw the pics. He looks ridiculous!
You should read it. My thoughts were “pretentious” and “self-absorbed”. May be just me.
Just read it and agree with you.
No-you’re right. The whole thing is eye roll inducing.
omg this: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/lostinshowbiz/2017/may/04/who-let-brad-pitt-fashotainment-gq-style-shoot-interview-happen
Where. Is. Your. Agent. Lol!
In those photoshoots, he appeared a deasperate 53 years old dying to be a teenager like his sons. I am sure his children are more mature than him.
His PR team wanted those photoshoots to go viral to inform the world that BP is back that’s all to it, buthe looks nauseating!
Alcoholism is a disease, even when the rich and famous suffer from it. Hope there’s healing and reconciliation for all here.
Sorry double post.
Question did he ever admit he was an alcoholic?
I’m happy he is doing better, I have always been a brad fan, but I was happy when he got with Angelina, now, not so much, they both had problems, the way she handle the divorce have changed my opinion of her, brad will continue to improve by contining getting the help he needs, being forced to do things like that in public is not a great ideal, and people are still not happy, brad owes us nothing, and I’m a fan.
Her negativity is with or without him its her youth and crazy style wild days that makes easy on them to have it like that for her. Not all what she is now or how she moves …
This doesn’t change anything much for her IMO except help a little bit . still her too much aggressivenes
were not smart regardless of what going down unless she has a certain proof he’s guilty and was found guilty IMO ..
I hope this won’t be like this for another year…
@candies. But how can you explain that angelina has the custody of their children?
You can all keep trying to make Brad a bad person. Angie grew tired of him and his drinking. It’s not a scandalous as anyone else’s life
Angelina once said she always married men who should’ve just been her friends. He’s probably a decent friend but he’s obviously a terrible husband and terrible father by his own admission.
I don’t know how many times his fans need to be reminded that cps will never reveal their findings but all signs point to him never being cleared. He’s going through the same steps every other child abuser does when they get caught by cps. Actually sometimes cps lets those abusers off light — his stuff must have been baaaaad!!!
She’ll come out of this and treat him the same way she treats her dad. He’s in her life because he’s family but she’ll never fully trust him.
@YepIsaidit Thank you so much for speaking the truth!
Question with all the stressors Angelina was under in the last several years, she never took to reckless behavior to jeopardize her family. Why does he get a pass for his bad behavior? What a Weak man.
Those pics good god!!!!
I honestly can’t take this guy. And that interview; how do you achieve making yourself so suave by being an alcoholic douche. “I can drink a Russian under the table with his vodka”😂😂
What a douche!
Affleck can learn a lot from him in terms of PR.
I feel bad for his kids, jeez having him as a parent must be exhausting.
Men and their luxury of still finding yourself even at the age of 53. A woman better figure herself out the moment she gets her period because everyone has an opinion of her life. This fuvking world has to be reset, ugh.
Amen!
They’re both cringeworthy and TMI. Enough already. We don’t need to hear any more of it, whether through interviews or leaks.
Angelina hasn’t said anything in months. Brad is doing all the talking and leaking stories. It’s not both. It should be “he”.
Gwen, I think it’s best for her to lay low especially the negativity that she is getting is just appalling. Apart from his children I hope she is getting help to get through this difficult time. I feel sad for their kids.
So many photos, this just makes me think of IMAGE IMAGE …. Brad has an obsession with his image. Just thinking about living with someone like him after reading this interview, very tiring.
He practically continued following his narrative ….. and he certainly read everything that came out about him, he is a manic and alcoholic and obcessive. Probably he just abandoned his family all year in 2016, drinking, using drugs (he said that he only continued with the drink after he formed a family … kkkkkk Tarantino said he used drugs with Brad …. he is still a Addict who lies to himself)
The whole interview is of small details that Brad let out by the ” sources ”.
Brad has everything, beauty, fame, fortune, family, and none of it served him well.
He makes it seem so easy, today I do not drink, I do not smoke, I started therapy and I’m loving it all …… kkk …. Brad does not look like someone prepared to take care of 6 children at the moment … Imagine in the beginning that he Was angry with the DCFS, and wanted to fight in court for more access without the consent of the therapists, and the very will of the older children who did not want to see him.
Angelina from the beginning said that litigious was not the solution, that they opted for a therapeutic process … that Brad did not want to comply even though he agreed.
Angelina had to have a lot of structure to not accept Brad’s willingness to act out of agreement, even more so with DCFS still in their lives. Brad almost put the safety of the children at risk again, as much as they do not agree with the requirements of the DCFS all the experts say that they should follow their plan. Even with the investigation closed, DCFS requires parents to remain committed to eliminating the issues that caused the incident to occur to prevent future incidents. Brad just now in March actually started therapy …. so we see that his problem is very complicated.
I love the fact that most of us Celebitches are on the same side now.
I’ve always liked Jennifer AND Angelina, but thought Brad Pitt was a selfish, thoughtless turd – allowing both women to take hits in the press while he skated on by.
The guy has always annoyed me, so I didn’t like the BRangelina hero worship, but I can totally get on board the Angelina train.
Tired of his over sharing for sympathy.
@Idky You are absolutely correct. At least Angelina does not Whine or want Pity from the public for herself. If anyone can find an article where you read Angelina is Whinning or wanting pity for herself please present it.
I’ve always been an Angie fan and was neutral on Pitt. But unlike many Angie fans I’ve never hated Aniston. She’s not my fav but I felt bad for her during the early days of the triangle. So many people saying Brad had upgraded and implying (if not outright saying) Aniston was ugly, shallow, unsexy relative to Angie & Brad. So many people feeling sorry for “Poor Brad” and saying “Why didn’t Jen Aniston give Brad his baby?” That was a very common attitude back then. At the same time Angie was being trashed non-stop as the wicked seductress other woman that stole Brad away from his sunshiney all-American sweetheart wife. I have always been AMAZED that Pitt made it through that unscathed when technically, if *anyone* should have experienced public backlash it was him, the married person who may have cheated.
That GQ interview and photoshoot make me think Pitt (or at least his team) was behind the “Poor Brad, why won’t Aniston give him his babies?” spin back then. I mean, I definitely think Pitt loves his kids and wants to be a good dad. I doubt he’s a bad person. But wow that interview and especially that photoshoot seem so OBVIOUSLY manipulative. It’s ridiculous. I wonder if those methods will continue to work in the social media age? I hope there’s a backlash (ala the great Tiddlesbang) as people see through the bullshit. But I am afraid they won’t. People worship this dude for some reason. I will never get it. He’s a decent but not amazing actor. He was beautiful back in the day but he looks vaguely redneck to me now. I’ll give him credit as a good producer but that’s about it. IMO he is proof that a pretty white man with mediocre talent but strong emotional intelligence/manipulation skills can attain unlimited success.
Brad has a lot of self reflection to do & sort his demons. Hollywood will always be his priority, fame, money, image, selling himself are his goals in life. Not family orientated guy.,