Non-fascist Emmanuel Macron won the French presidency in a landslide

French presidential election candidate for the En Marche! movement Emmanuel Macron is swamped by supporters during a campaign visit to Sarcelles

Good news, I think: French people weren’t put off at all by Emmanuel Macron’s creepy-as-hell love story, nor were they disturbed by the idea of Brigitte “Arguably A Sexual Predator” Macron as First Lady as France. Well, maybe the French people did care, but they were totally willing to overlook it if it meant NOT voting for a Holocaust-denying fascist, Marine le Pen. Macron entered the home stretch of the French presidential runoff with what was considered a healthy-but-slim lead in all of the polls. Well, the polls were wrong, but unlike the American election, the wrongness of the polls didn’t make me want to throw up. As it turns out, Macron didn’t just beat le Pen by a slim margin. He had a landslide victory. He demolished her.

France on Sunday shrugged off the siren call of right-wing populism that enchanted voters in the United States and United Kingdom, rejecting anti-E.U. firebrand Marine Le Pen and choosing as its next president Emmanuel Macron, a centrist political neophyte who has pledged to revive both his struggling country and the flailing continent.

The result brought to a close a tumultuous and polarized campaign that defied prediction at nearly every turn, though not at the end. Pre-election polls had forecast a sizable Macron victory, and he appeared to have delivered, with projections issued after polls closed showing him with around 65 percent of the vote.

A downcast Le Pen conceded defeat, telling her demoralized supporters in Paris that the country had “chosen continuty.” Meanwhile, a raucous celebration of Macron backers was getting underway outside Paris’s Louvre Museum.

The outcome will come as a major relief to Europe’s political establishment, which had feared a Le Pen victory would throw in reverse decades of efforts to forge continental integration.

But it instantly puts pressure on Macron to deliver on promises made to an unhappy French electorate, including reform of two institutions notoriously resistant to change: the European Union and the French bureaucracy.

At 39, the trim, blue-eyed and square-jawed Macron will become France’s youngest leader since Napoleon when he is inaugurated this weekend, and his election caps an astonishing rise.

With a background in investment banking and a turn as economy minister under a historically unpopular president, he may have seemed an ill fit for the anti-establishment anger coursing through Western politics.

But by bucking France’s traditional parties and launching his own movement – En Marche, or Onward — Macron managed to cast himself as the outsider the country needs. And by unapologetically embracing the European Union, immigration and the multicultural tableau of modern France, he positioned himself as the optimistic and progressive antidote to the dark and reactionary vision of Le Pen’s National Front.

[From Washington Post]

There are lots of elements which are similar and yet dissimilar in comparing the French and American elections. In both elections, the female candidate faced a barrage of criticism unique to her womanity, and I tend to believe misogyny and sexism played roles in both elections. That being said, Americans voted for a fascist and the French people did not, so well done, French people. I do wonder: if Marine le Pen had been a paternalistic white dude spouting the exact same views, would the election have been more of a dogfight? Who even knows? As for Macron… or, President Macron, I wish him well. People keep saying he has the potential to be France’s JFK or Barack Obama. We’ll see. And we’ll definitely see what kind of role First Lady Brigitte Macron plays in all of this.

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  1. Babs says:

    I want to puke.

    • Tanguerita says:

      Would you have prefered Le Pen? would waking up to a fashist b…ch being your new President settle your stomach?

    • deevia says:

      Do tel pls. Is it cuz he’s a globalist banker?

      • Anya says:

        The insoumis are just bitter as f*** since 2 weeks.
        They can’t get over the fact they didn’t win the election and are crying 24/7 in medias and twitter.
        A bit like Susan Sarandon, but at least MLP didn’t win.

      • Myrto says:

        @Anya Mélanchon’s voters are the worst. THE WORST. They are going to try to mess things up just out of spite because their guru (Mélanchon who greatly admires Russia btw) didn’t win. Ugh.

      • Babs says:

        I didn’t even vote Mélenchon but I guess this won’t fit in your narrow view of politics. Carry on with your citizenship lessons. No, I wouldn’t have prefered a lepen win. But I still want to puke. Maybe you should go talk to macron about the fascist danger because he doesn’t seem very concerned by it, between his indecent first-round night partying and the fact he “republically ” saluted her yesterday night.

      • Anya says:

        He seems very aware of the danger for me, and by the way he was not my first choice too.
        You want to puke, too bad for you cause it won’t change the results.
        Go campaign for the legislative and get over it.

      • Jessa Blessa says:

        Anya, you sound like a Trump supporter.

    • bleu_moon says:

      Not even gonna hold your hair. Too busy celebrating.

    • Felicia says:

      I am right there with you Babs. Not because Macron won, not because LePen lost, but because this whole election has been a farce. Engineered leaks and investigations against the viable candidates who could and should have beaten Macron (thank you Hollande, you little weasel) designed to leave a choice between one candidate who’s platform and party is unpalatable to many french people and a candidate who hasn’t bothered to tell us what he actually plans to do, because he probably wouldn’t have been voted in if he had. And an organized suppression of anything that might have harmed the chances of Hollande’s “chosen one”. So…we now have a President with an unknown program who only won because “he’s not LePen”.

      Macron got about 20 million votes. LePen about 10 million. And there was something like 16 to 17 million voters who either voted blank or chose to abstain. Not because they were too lazy to vote, because the French tend to turn out in high numbers, but because both choices were equally bad.

      Take a good hard look at how he passed laws during his term as Economy Minister, bypassing any voting process to ram them through. And take a good hard look at how much control was exercised over the media in regards to anything that might have damaged him. And then ask yourselves just how much democracy really means to this person. I want to puke too.

      • Babs says:

        THANK
        YOU

      • Lilas says:

        Babs and Felicia, I’m right there with you.
        I understand people being relieved, I am too. But being part of the people who will be the first ones to be hit by Macron’s reforms, I just feel desperate today.

      • Merritt says:

        To call the choices equally bad is offensive to groups of people who would have faced increased persecution under Le Pen.

      • Felicia says:

        @Merritt: well…how do you think those same people are going to fare, along with the rest of France, when the country hits the financial iceberg that’s coming and Macron loads all of his banker buddies into the life boats, leaving everyone else to drown? You know all of those bailouts for Greece, Spain, Portugal? Those were bank bailouts. And the next time (and it will happen), they can now take the money you have deposited in their banks, use it to pay their creditors and give you worthless shares in an insolvent bank in return. No choice. No more savings to cushion yourself with. Slashed pensions for the elderly who’s life savings have just been expropriated. No more social coverage, not for anyone. Yay! Who cares about manipulation when we can pretend it was “democratic” right? Never mind that LePen probably wouldn’t have made it to the second round if Hollande hadn’t “leaked” (and certainly instigated) the investigation against Fillon. Who, by the way, is no different than any of them. Only there was cherry picking going on as to who to investigate. What to publish.

      • Merritt says:

        @Felicia

        How do you think they would fare under Le Pen? And exiting the EU the way Le Pen wanted would have played into Putin’s hands. The same Putin who has been going after LGBTQ people and making it legally acceptable for men to beat their wives.

        Bye Felicia!

      • A mascarada says:

        Thank you for this comment, Felicia, that’s exactly how I feel.
        The interesting thing is that this result is being much more celebrated abroad than in France.
        The number of null and blank votes (12%), the abstention (25%) plus the fact that 43% voted for him to avoid Le Pen dampened the party. Relief, yes. Joy, no.

      • fiorucci says:

        Lilas- sorry to hear about you being hit by reforms ..what are the damaging things macron will be doing soon?

      • Felicia says:

        @Merritt: Oh yes, the bogey man Putin. *eyeroll*
        As opposed to the former Rothschild banker getting loans from the banks? Chances are she didn’t have a choice because the banks chose sides. What does that tell you about what they expect from Macron?

      • autumn says:

        The antisemitism (Rothschilds/Jewish bankers ruining France) here is pretty gross fyi.

      • isabelle says:

        IMO “no candidates are good” excuse in reality is jsut an old tired lazy excuse for an individual to not participate in the political process, don’t want to vote. Wanting to justify apathy and laziness in voting. Which is the real true problem rather than the candidates. Apathy and not participating in the voting process gives us the bad candidates, non voters are the problem really.

      • Felicia says:

        @Isabelle: Voting blank is not “not voting”, nor is it laziness, nor is it apathy. You actually go, stand in line, wait your turn, go into the voting booth and submit an empty envelope. There is nothing apatheic about that.

        In my case… there is no possible way that I would ever vote LePen. And to tell the truth, I agonized over whether I would vote Macron or vote blank right up until the last minute. And from a very selfish point of view, Macron buys me time to organize myself and finances in such a way that when the sh*t hits the fan, my ducks will be in a row. I couldn’t do it. I might see what’s coming, but I love France and could not bring myself to vote for someone who I am certain will sell the country down the river.

      • Annetommy says:

        Well thankfully Felicia your agony didn’t enable a fascist to become President. But your conscience is clear. A quarter of a cheer for you.

      • SilverUnicorn says:

        @Felicia
        Voting blank is actually terribly stupid.
        I used to do it too (for 2 decades) and then I woke up.
        Guys you need to get the basics of politics, cuz you seem highly naive and confused.

        And Putin is not a “bogey man”, he’s a totalitarian madman. I’d be very wary to normalise him as a caricature, he is not. Pravda.

        @Annetommy

        Exactly. I’d bet they are young though, they do not get that sometimes being ‘principled’ is not that much of a priority.

      • Babs says:

        It’s rich to receive arrogant lessons from people who don’t know or get sh*t about our country. Seeing the state of yours, maybe you could use some principles. I vote since 15 years, is that old enough for you?
        Man, the nerve.

      • SilverUnicorn says:

        @Babs

        I was a resident of France (under Mitterrand), I am now a migrant to UK, which is basically the equivalent of being a witch waiting to be burnt at the stake.
        So what about you toning down your comments and showing respect for minorities?
        Merci beaucoup.

      • Babs says:

        Oh I respect everyone but if you’re being insulting and condescending don’t act all brand new when you get a response.

      • SilverUnicorn says:

        I actually have to see you showing respect rather than disdain for anyone else’s opinions on this thread unless they agree with yours.

      • Merritt says:

        @Felicia

        Keep digging yourself in deeper. And now we also know that you are ok with rights being stripped away from women, LGBTQ, and ethnic minorities.

      • siri says:

        @autuum: How do you come to the conclusion of antisemitism in the comments? Macron used to be an investment banker at Paris’ Rothschild&Cie, he even became an associate (associé-gérant). Those are facts, and no one implied anything else.

    • Miss Jupitero says:

      Puke away. Don’t forget to flush. I’m celebrating the sanity of the French people.

      • SilverUnicorn says:

        Yep they can puke away and hold their sanctimonious noses for me too.

        To anyone who thought both choices were equally bad I offer a free trip in northern Brexit England.

        When you go back to France all bruised this will teach you a lesson about living in a country where confusing austerity with fascism is a terrible mistake.

    • minx says:

      Why?

    • Jamie42 says:

      Macron was the only candidate who deliberately challenged Le Pen on the roots of the National Front and the racism behind it, and even accused the other candidates of trying to gloss over that. How is that being unaware?
      And by the way: if you voted for Stein or “What’s Aleppo?” Johnson you voted for Trump. If you abstained out of–what–purity? in France, then you voted for Le Pen.
      The French were lucky, as well, that each vote is equal in the presidential race. As a New Yorker, my vote for president is counted for less than a vote from a less populous state because of the undemocratic electoral college.

      • Babs says:

        The only way to vote for lepen is actually voting for lepen. Let that sink in. Voting for neither of the candidates is voting for neither of the candidates, point blank.
        Because if blank voting or abstaining was actually voting for lepen, she would have been the winner. She is not.

      • Aren says:

        @Babs, I really like your argument. People in my country constantly complain about blank voting, but if there really are no good options, I find it undemocratic to just “accept what’s available”, even if it’s terrible.

      • JaneFr says:

        @Barbs
        “The only way to vote for lepen is actually voting for lepen. ”
        Yeahh No. Just No.
        You’re either deliberate trying to defuse /shirk your responsibilities or you do not understand how votes are computed.

        @Kaiser.
        While I am satisfied and deeply relieved that we choose not to give in to fear and hatred, in no ways is this victory a landslide.
        In 2002, Chirac vs Lepen, with 82% against Lepen, that was a landslide. But this year, many people choose not to vote (25% abstention + 12% blank voting). Mostly because they though him not enough / too liberal and they said they knew for sure that he would win.
        And the Melanchon lefties supporter were the worst, a lot them saying that a liberal is just as bad as a racist, anti-Semitism, misogynist* one.

        *Yes event though she is a woman , MLP’s program was misogynist and women’s right activists actively took position against her.

      • Babs says:

        Feel free to educate me on how a blank vote is a vote for lepen Janefr. I need a good laugh.

    • vlk says:

      SO HAPPY for FRANCE. Congratulations to President Macron.
      A smack in the eye to Fascists and racism.
      A rejection of Le Pen,Trump, Putin ilk.

    • robyn says:

      Le Pen would have given Russia a big boost in its desire to break up the European Union. That should be the biggest concern. I wonder how much people love their countries when they don’t mind Russian interference in their democracies (which are much more fragile than people realize). Racists like Le Pen and hate-mongers like Trump should never win.

      It was wonderful to see all the people out to celebrate Macron’s win. I am proud of the French people!!!!!

      • Felicia says:

        The concept of the EU was to be a counterweight to the US and the Euro, to the USD. The destabilization of the Middle East has not been at the hands of the Russians. The massive influx of Middle Eastern refugees into Europe, with the resulting strain on resources and cultural clashes are a direct result of the US (who is sitting comfortably across the Atlantic) instigating war and attempted “regime changes” in the region. Think about that a bit.

      • SilverUnicorn says:

        Felicia, you might be right but do remember that Russia changed too in the years (from Gorbachev to Yeltsin then to Putin) and it’s now evident that Russia is a totalitarian state.
        EU is squeezed between Russia and USA now. The more disunited we are the more Putin cherishes it.

    • Jessica says:

      I know how disgusting that a Nazi WASN’T elected President of France.

  2. Jan says:

    I hope that despite leaving Hollande’s party to establish a new party and win the election, all rational centrists in French politics will work with Macron to, at the very least, keep the National Front out of power forever. Vive la France!
    (is it bad that his looks remind me of Ted Bundy?)

  3. Anya says:

    Yeah, too bad Marine is not President.
    Who do want a republican and democratic President anyway?
    Stay bitter Babs…

    • SilverUnicorn says:

      It also seem to escape to a share of the young French people that having a fascist as president/prime minister does NOT improve anything, it makes everything worse.

      Macron could suck balls for his whole term and he’ll be always better than LePen.

      Again, if you find any ‘disoriented’ French because of Macron’s presidency, feel free to recommend a move to northern England.
      We might use you on the barbecue too, cuz we won’t have food to eat soon.

  4. Nicole says:

    Eh France is slightly less insane than the US and U.K. They still have quite the large racism problem though.

    • Sixer says:

      I think more nuanced politically, Nicole. Good thread on that on the Twatter.

      http://twitter.com/judeinlondon/status/861485611659796480

      I think the anglo media has a lot to answer for. Certainly in Britain.

    • Pilar says:

      The media in the UK due to murdochs influence has a lot to answer for. But at the end of the day people make choices. The French didn’t fall for the fake news trolling on Facebook like the Americans did.
      The French are also more likely to see themselves as Europeans. The Brits despite being part of Europe always speak of Europeans as if the term doesn’t concern them. Both the US and UK seem much more protectionist.

      • Sixer says:

        Agree.

      • robyn says:

        The French are brave and have proved to be smarter than the US and the British. Despite their legitimate fear of terrorists and their vulnerable location on the map they realized what their options were and how they were being played by Russia. Bravo to the brave and smart French people.

  5. Marine R says:

    MLP is not seen as a woman she is seen as an extension of her father by her detractor. I would argue that being a woman actually helped in normalizing her party and making it look less threatening …the same is happening with her niece.
    I ll hold my judgment on Mr Macron …until he shows what he is made of.
    But anyway Adolphine hasn’t been elected …I leave in predominently FN constituency …I am relieved
    But FN is still the 2nd force in the country but parlimentary election are coming up..
    Macron is in for a rough ride

    • Esmom says:

      “I would argue that being a woman actually helped in normalizing her party and making it look less threatening…”

      This was my observation, too. So happy she didn’t win. It gives me hope that we can turn the tide here in the US.

    • Parigo says:

      This is absolutely true. Being a woman helped normalize the FN by softening their image.
      Brigitte got the bulk of sexist comments during the campaign, not Le Pen.

      • Marine R says:

        And never forget that she is not a feminist …she wants to limit abortions…
        It’s funny to notice that the only important women in her party are only there by sheer nepotism..
        Do you know another FN female politician at national level whose name is not LePen?

    • Pilar says:

      Yeah I agree I wouldn’t compare this to the US election. It’s more or less the opposite le pen has doubled the support for her fathers party since she took over. And she’s gonna continue to aim to make the party less threatening in a bid for power.

    • littlemissnaughty says:

      I honestly had the same impression. The fact that she was a woman made the whole thing a little more palatable for some.

      I’m super happy that MLP did not win. I LOVE the fact that the French didn’t give a sh*t about the questionable “love story” of Macron and his wife. It shouldn’t matter. He hasn’t done anything wrong and I see no reason to believe this makes him less fit as a politician. I hope the EU (and especially Schäuble) realize though that we need to approach things differently now.

      Something else happened yesterday (on a much smaller scale). The state elections in Schleswig-Holstein, Germany. Not noteworthy on a global scale except it is believed that the candidate for the social democrats lost many women voters (and ultimately the elction) because he gave an interview in which he was an ass to his former wife of 27 years. I LOVE THIS. I hope that politicians here realize that opening their personal lives like that is a terrible idea. I don’t want to know. Leave it out of politics. I’m happy to see that we are in no danger of electing a sexual predator though (not knowingly at least), if even a crappy comment about how the ex just wasn’t on his level (intellectually etc.) anymore because she was trapped at home as a mother can cost someone a significant amount of votes. I mean come on.

      • Lilalis says:

        I think the SPD being unable to profit from the boost that Schulz brought them has more to do with the fact that they are unable to put together an innovative program. “Mehr Gerechtigkeit”, same old, same old. I think Merkel will be elected again in fall.

        Anyways, glad that Le Pen didn’t win, even if Macron turns out not to be the next JFK.

      • littlemissnaughty says:

        Oh absolutely, they have been running around like chickens with their heads cut off these past few years. They have no idea who they are anymore and their platform sucks. People don’t want “mehr Gerechtigkeit”, they want good schools, jobs that don’t have to be subsidized to pay the rent, being able to afford a frickin’ 1 bedroom apartment and saving up for retirement. That’s not the same thing. I won’t vote for Merkel but I can see why someone would. I mean we know her.

    • QueenB says:

      Yeah her being a female facist helped certainly. Women in right wing parties obviously help with female voters but also humanize and soften them up. Its still sexism, benevolent sexism but Le Pen profited from being a woman.

  6. anonymous says:

    I wasn’t for him at all but I am glad I voted for him anyway. As If we had another choice.

    • Babs says:

      A lot of voters took another choice actually and I’m glad we did. Abstention and blank-votes are a close second behind macron.

      • Marine R says:

        Babs you better make your voice heard at ” les législative” cause otherwise all your posturing will have been for nought

      • Pilar says:

        Yeah babs I am sure all the people who would be directly affected by Le Pen facist racist policies appreciate your grand standing . Moral high ground could under different circumstances be moral cop out. You are lucky the majority of the French population are so sensible.

      • Babs says:

        Yeah cause life was so good for the migrants under hollande’s government, have you seen the jungle de Calais, have you heard about what’s happening at the italian border just next to my place, have you seen Vals and his Rom’s hatred, have you seen the freaking racial debates we had during that so-called “left” mandat which macron was very much a part of? To each their sensibility I guess.

      • Merritt says:

        @Babs

        This is a perfect example of white privilege. Not voting or protest votes are passive racism.

      • Babs says:

        Says who?
        You really think there where only white people to abstain or blank-vote in this farce? Well you are dead wrong. The choice of voting is a citizen privilege we all used yesterday.

      • Merritt says:

        @Babs

        Keep telling yourself that.

      • Becky says:

        “Yeah cause life was so good for the migrants under hollande’s government”

        And a vote for Le Pen would make it better? yeesh.

        Personally, as a Brit, I’m relieved but I guess the record abstentions were a concern (pissed off voters of the other parties) and LP still got over 10 million votes which is a concern.

      • Ariana says:

        I bet the “Harambe” or “Bernie Sanders” and just non-voters in America feel similar now that they have a facist, batshit crazy president

      • Pilar says:

        Babs

        You seem to be so angrythat your candidate didn’t make it that you are not able to be logical. Whatever struggles migrants faced under hollande would be a 100 times worse under le pen. . And add to that French citizens born and bread in France with dual nationality or immigrant background would have it a lot worse too. And only a person who would not be affected by a facist government would say it’s all the same as a centrist government . It’s not the same.

      • Jamie42 says:

        Babs: when a fascist is running, you vote for the candidate who is running against the fascist. Let that sink in. Abstention is playing with fire. You got lucky that most of the French did not take your approach. And I’m guessing that you’re not one of those who would be most harmed (ethnic round-ups and expulsions, anyone?) by a Le Pen presidency.

      • Babs says:

        Pilar, “my” candidate was never, ever, by any poll or stretch of the imagination, going to make it to second round. I’m angry because we’ve been robbed as it have been already brilliantly explained by Felicia, but I guess those who don’t want to see it, won’t. 100 times worse doesn’t make the current situation okay. I’m angry to see people use this kind of situation in an argument while in reality they don’t care about it. Where are all these hundred of thousands of anti-fascists people right now when migrants would need them? Some do physically protest against inhumane treatments but in very low numbers, I actually know it because I’m there to see it.
        All French citizens have the right to vote and use it as they see fit. French people with dual nationalities or immigrant background have a variety of politic opinions and views about this election. Some share mine, some don’t. Some vote, some don’t. People is people.
        Everyone would be affected by a fascist government. Ask yourself who is going to be affected by a neoliberal government and how these people are going to vote as of now.

        Jamie42 : Front républicain is playing with fire. I already answered the rest.

      • Sixer says:

        Babs – as I understand it, your position is this: Macron is a deregulator. What many UK/US commenters may not realise is that France has not financialised and deregulated anywhere near to the extent the Anglo countries have. And so you think that, far from defeating fascism, a Macron presidency is just going to intensify the conditions in which it will thrive, or at least the conditions in which sub-fascist right wing authoritarian populist politics will thrive as they have in the US (Trump) and the UK (Brexit). Because deregulation/financialisation is what has created the so-called left behind.

        Yes? Have I got that right?

        If so, I don’t think it the ridiculous position everyone else is telling you it is.

        That said, I personally would have voted Macron on the basis that the above argument is moot once the wolf is actually at the door. I would not be voting en Marche in the legislative elections, however.

      • Babs says:

        Yes, Sixer, that’s a good sum up. Thank you. I’m not really articulate enough in english to explain my position with finesse on those very tough subjects and i’m glad some other commenters are able to.
        I chose to not vote macron and blank-vote after thinking hard about it, and I did so because the wolf is at the door since like 20 years (I live in Provence which is a highly racist place where we always have FN at second round of any election since a very long time) but moreso since 2002, and the “vote utile” just seems to increase the number of FN voters, and I’ll add that the deregulators seems to be very satisfied and not too worried with that situation because that conveniently moots every argument against their agenda. They are the ones playing with fire. Not the people who are fed up with it. Plus macron was always going to win and I didn’t want to participate in a very high score for him like I did for chirac.
        Sorry for the word salad.
        Can’t wait for the legislatives.

      • slowsnow says:

        @Babs, I understand where you’re coming from. My mother was celebrating yesterday and I was really sad to see a technocrat, ex-banker, ridiculous enonomy minister, opportunist independent (because the socialist party is way down) who lets his wife compare him to Mozart as if he’s some sort of genius ruling France.
        However, had I been able to vote, I would have voted for him because… you never know. As you say, it’s not gonna be now, it will be next time perhaps so one needs to counter the FN in the only way possible: vote for “the other one”. But I hear what you say about Provence.

      • sanders says:

        Babs and felicia, I appreciate your perspectives. Thank you for continuing to post your complex analysis of a complex situation, despite the efforts by some to chalk this up to just the rise of racist/ nationalist parties.
        Also, good summary sixer. This is why I read celebitchy comments. I know that le pen is a racist white supremacist. This party has been around for a long time and I’m more interested in why she is popular now. Racism has been around for even longer then her party. As poc, we are doing ourselves a disservice by not looking at these problems broadly. I really appreciate the economic analysis and do think that neoliberalism has a lot to answer for. When we just focus on racism alone, we let the real culprits off the hook. I know we talk about intersectionality here when it refers to gender and race but lets add class to the mix. POC communities are disproportionately represented at lower income levels.

      • Victoria says:

        Babs, so, as a Macron voter on the second round, I saved your ass too from fascism.

        De rien.

      • Felicia says:

        @Sanders: thank you for taking the time to read, think and absorb. Racism, in my opinion, is fear. Fear that “those people” aka, an easily identified group, are taking something away from you. I’ve spent a lot of time living in a lot of different countries, many of them 2nd or 3rd world. Pitting “us against them”, be it by colour, by tribe, by religion, by sex or any other “you are different than me” criteria is a way to deflect blame and attention from the root causes of whatever the discontent may be. Which is usually poor decisions made by whoever is running the country. Or a succession of governments, if it’s a 1st world country.

      • Merritt says:

        @Felicia

        It is pretty clear you have never been the target of racism. You clearly come from the Caitlyn Jenner school of understanding politics.

      • Jessica says:

        That’s what Americans did and look how it’s working for us. Not voting is dumb.

      • siri says:

        @Felicia: I don’t think racism is fear, but it’s based on fear(s). MLP successfully taps into those, and to think she was defeated yesterday, seems naive from my viewpoint. At best, I would call it ‘winning time’, but I doubt it’s a lot of time.

      • Felicia says:

        @Merritt: You know nothing about me, but if it makes you feel better to think that and reduce the issues around this election to the trees rather than the forest, you go right ahead. It apparently hasn’t occured to you that someone who has spent much of the past 20 years in 2nd and 3rd world countries knows EXACTLY what it feels like to be a visible minority. The means of discrimination may be different, but they’re still based on racism. Your skin color still makes you a target. But perhaps your definition of racism is different than mine.

      • sanders says:

        You are welcome Felicia. I do want to clarify that I too don’t think that racism is just about fear. When discussing the European context, or countries colonized by Europeans (US, Canada etc), I prefer the term white supremacy. White supremacy is deeply embedded in european culture. It was introduced to legitimize colonialism, slavery, appropriation of native lands and genocide, so certainly it can be called upon to win national elections.
        It’s so much apart of the culture that it is like oxygen, most white people don’t even notice it happening around them or within themselves. Also, has poc, we have internalized it too. It’s the same dynamic you find with rich people and men, whiteness is ascribed an inflated value. In order for whiteness to have value, there has to be non white people who are ascribed an inferior value. If the neoliberals are hoodwinking economically disadvantaged white folks, they can offer them the balm of white superiority. It’s not just about economics, culture and identity have a value too. In this case, it is not so much about fear. It angers me beyond anything that neoliberals have taken on the mantle of social justice and antiracism because as you mentioned up thread, it is these same people that are responsible for destabalizing the middle east and generating the refugee crisis. They also wreaked havoc on the lives of poc communities in the US in 2008.

        To get back to the idea of fearing those that are different, I did see this interesting article in the NY times about racism and refugees. It refers to something called the ‘halo effect’.

        https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/20/world/europe/how-a-sleepy-german-suburb-explains-europes-rising-far-right-movements.html?_r=0

  7. Appleminis says:

    Well, it’s kind of a good news but it’s far from over. We have the very important elction of our parliament in a few weeks and that will be a test for him.

    If his party has a majority, good for him. But people can elect a far right majority ou a right one and then, he will have to deal with them and have a prime minister from this majority.

    So we did not really beat Le Pen. Her party is very strong locallt and they can have a lot of deputies so … the fight against nationalism is still on.

  8. bleu_moon says:

    There was an article in the NYT in early May about the US alt right trying to troll the French election on Le Pen’s behalf. Apparently they didn’t understand that trolling in english wouldn’t fly. Also that using their racist Pepe the Frog meme in France would be seen as an insult.

    • Digital Unicorn (aka Betti) says:

      There is evidence that the Macron leaks originated from alt right groups in the US with Russia behind the hacks.

      • OhDear says:

        I read that his people put in fake email accounts and such knowing that they would be hacked – is that true?

    • isabelle says:

      Lets face it, a lot of the French are probably smarter & wiser to that type of stuff than many Americans.

  9. teacakes says:

    This is not the time to be letting our guard down!

    I mean, he’s still a politician. And his marriage may have had creepy origins but that’s nothing next to a candidate embracing racism and fascism.

    Also the campaign email hack …. Russia will try it with another election in another country, and next time there’s a high chance they’ll do it more than 2 days before the election.

    • original kay says:

      South Korea’s election is tomorrow. Germany is in September, I believe.

      • teacakes says:

        Yeah I’ve been following the Korean news – it’s been quite a wild ride, the impeachment and arrest of the former President following massive public protests, a smoking gun tablet, and now elections.

        I rather hope the US can pull off something like that too, at least the impeachment/removal part.

  10. original kay says:

    so, let’s talk about Macron’s campaign being hacked 2 days before the election! sounds familiar, a campaign being hacked and the emails being dumped on wikileaks? The campaign that is against leaving the EU, and not the campaign of the leader who has publicly praised Putin?

    Bravo to the French for the immediate shut down, I wish the US had such strict laws forbidding papers to report or publish leaked info- what a difference that would of made. Well, that and Comey not, you know, influencing the election like he did, poor slightly nauseous Comey.

    • teacakes says:

      Original Kay – exactly. There are now articles saying the leaks 2 days before were Russia’s shot across the bow, in essence it was a non-verbal boast that they could do something like this to interfere with a sovereign state’s presidential election.

      I can’t believe we’ve come to a point where we practically have to expect foreign powers actively trying to influence and swing elections every time a country votes.

    • Original T.C. says:

      I love that the French press restrained themselves from leaking last minute fake news. What a difference it would have made for us

      • Cheryl says:

        As to the press not publishing the leaked emails. I think they should have. I for one think that government email should actually be allowed to be viewed. Why not. Unless it is national security then what could be so terrible that emails could not be seen? The problem is that because this man is not Le Pen the press will be easy on him and not call him on stuff. He could basically sell out the country to foreign powers and buyers and the press will not even make a story on it probably because they love him. Ultimately people believe that this man will be better for immigrants and ultimately he will not be because he will want immigrants that have money. Those who don’t have money – his policies will leave them in a situation exactly where they were where they came from. The rich telling the poor what to do. And they rich will not be white. Just saying.

      • arbelia says:

        @ Cheryl that would be illegal for the medias to publish or talk about those mails. There’s a law in France that put a “period of reserve” 48 hours before the election. The candidates can’t express themselves anymore, they cant distribute flyers etc.. And the medias are not allowed to show the candidates or talk about them, or publish polls,and they are not allowed to make political comments that could have consequences on the election.
        Even simple citizens could be condemned for making propaganda on social networks.

        Plus it was not” government emails” it was emails et accounts from his party that were being thrown with some fake documents and documents totally foreign.

    • siri says:

      The hacked material EMLEAKS was not dumped on WikiLeaks, but on the document sharing site pastebin. WikiLeaks, alongside Bivol, only later tried to check the authenticity of those emails.

  11. dodgy says:

    Thank goodness.

  12. Pilar says:

    I am spanish and this is great for Europe too. Means the brexit and Russia isn’t as likely to destabilise the region. I am very happy about this result. Vive la France

    • Otaku fairy says:

      I’m very happy for those of you who live in France and other parts of Europe over this. Between Brexit and Trump winning over here , Marine winning was definitely something to worry about. If only our country showed some sense this past election.

  13. Kaye says:

    Macron isn’t great, but this is what it looks like when other countries look at the fetid fascist corpse of a country soaked in hubris across the way and say, “hard pass.” (well done, other countries.)

    Also–HRC’s tweet about this is gold.

    • Kyra says:

      Pretty much. At the end of Macron’s presidency I suspect the only thing in France that will have improved is his personal bank account. The people on top will still be kicking at those on the bottom and all the current racial tensions will remain.

      But it could have been worse!

      • Kaye says:

        “It could have been worse,” is probably the only realistic political slogan these days.

  14. Lindy says:

    I’m glad Le Pen lost for sure. But the number of blank/nul protest votes was insanely high and it was also the lowest turnout for a presidential race in France’s history, so I think there’s still a lot of unrest and unhappiness. Macron is going to struggle to get his platform accomplished, I’m afraid. Still, a good piece of news overall.

    • arbelia says:

      No, it wasn’t the lowest turnout in history . In 1969, only 68% voted at the second round of the elections. This time it was 74%

    • Felicia says:

      What platform? Do we even know what his platform is? Did he send super-secret memos out to a small number of people? Because so far, he hasn’t actually told anyone what he plans to do.

  15. Mel says:

    Misogyny does not play a role in Marine’s campaign.
    A white paternalistic dude you say? Here’s one for you: jean-marie, her father.
    And his scores were not as good as hers.
    Yes, we cannot rewrite history and the current climate could have worked in his favor, we’ll never know, but if anything she whitewashed the FN and made it look less threatening, thus getting more votes.

  16. Brittney B says:

    Did anyone see his message to Americans? He basically invited American scientists to come to France and work on climate change.

    • original kay says:

      Good. Canada as well, I read, is/was helping the US Scientists save all their research onto different servers.

      Also, Canada just hosted the countries that were signing on to the TPP, I read it’s still being negotiated and still a go, just without the US. I hope that’s good for us in Canada, I feel it is? We need to trade more with other countries and less with the US.

  17. Mylene says:

    I’m French and I voted for Macron even if I don’t like his ideas but we didn’t have the choice !! Marine Le Pen is a fascist, totally a fascist.
    She isn’t hated Because she’s a woman but because she’s very dangerous. Search on Google how her father, a mad racist MAN, has been beaten by Chirac (80% for Chirac. “Only” 66% for Macron against Marine Le Pen).

  18. HK9 says:

    Glad the French were smart enough to vote against fascism.

  19. seesittellsit says:

    The unemployment rate in France is about 25% and I think at least half of those are people under 25. Macron couldn’t get reforms through as part of Hollande’s government, he played the EU’s national anthem when he came out for his victory and only played the Marseilles at the end (for which he is already getting huge criticism on social media) making it clear what entity comes first in his planning. He has no parliamentary support because his party is only 13 months old. He’s the EU’s and the global corporatists’ golden boy, which doesn’t bode well for the commons. As someone on the Guardian said somberly, there is little likelihood that either the inequities of globalisation or unemployment will be much changed in five years, and Le Pen got a record number of votes for her party. 20% of the voters submitted spoiled ballots deliberately. She isn’t going to disappear and neither are Melenchon and the far left.

    There is, from what I can tell, a good deal of mistrust of Macron and where his loyalties really lie, and he only has a few years to keep some of those promises. He was basically elected, so far as I can tell, as the Un-Le Pen rather than the Plus Macron.

    Winning is one things; governing is another. We shall see, but I wouldn’t be too ecstatic beyond getting a five-year breather from the FN.

    • appleminis says:

      Hum, the unemployment rate is 10% not 25% ….

    • seesittellsit says:

      Well, blame BBC – I saw an interview after the election and they were talking to someone in France who said that one in four people in France were unemployed and what was Macron really going to do about that? I’m not claiming expertise but of course I tend to believe that BBC journalists know what they are talking. It’s possible I misheard and that he was talking about youth unemployment?

      • SilverUnicorn says:

        BBC is basically Tory-Central now, you don’t think they were backing Macron, right?

      • seesittellsit says:

        @SilverUnicorn – that’s my point: I’m American so that wouldn’t be something I’d know – someone from BBC was interviewing a French commentator.. Of course I thought BBC were backing Macron. I get BBC out here but it always seems left-leaning to me.

      • siri says:

        BBC IS left-leaning.

  20. TyrantDestroyed says:

    This man seems to be very smart and I admire and respect smart people. I wish him to stay true to his convictions and that the French politics allow him to carry on his plans and to disappoint many of his detractors.
    Regarding misogyny I am not quite sure this is something that played against Marine Le Pen. She acted like a nut job during the last leg of her campaign showing no concrete plan. In the other hand, the media has been constantly remarking the age difference between Macron and his wife.
    Good job France for not doing the same mistake the USA did.

  21. Nina says:

    It’s so sad that in 2017, we need to feel relieved and congratulate another country’s people for not electing a fascist president.

    • hmmm says:

      Actually it’s inspiring and gives hope and courage. Life is not a utopia ever, but it sure beats a creeping dystopia.

  22. Lea says:

    I disagree that Le Pen being a woman was a disadvantage, if anything she tried (and managed ?) to make her father’s crazy agenda less threatening and more palatable. That said I’m glad that the lesser of the two evils won but as much as I believe in the EU, it needs to be reformed. The EU needs serious reforms if it wants to survive!

  23. arbelia says:

    Concerning Mcron private life: i think French people are Ok with it , and i think people find her wife quite sympathetic even if they were surprised at first by the age gap. I never heard someone talking of her as a “sexual predator”, and their story isn’t seen as scandalous at all by the media , ect… On the contrary they sell it a s a bif , unconformist love story, etc… It’s a bif part of Macron’s PR. Ok the beginning of their story is creepy, but the’re together for 20 years , they “have” grandchildren ( he considers her grandchildren as his and is very close to them, yeah i know that seems a little bit bizarre but the thing is they are very close as a family). Ans she seems smart, cultured, funny and nice. So she couldn’t be worse that Hollande ex -girlfriend, who was a vindictive, pathetic woman.

    • Felicia says:

      I have a friend who knows that “vindictive ex-girlfriend” well. If you had the entire story, you would probably be a lot more kind.

      • Amelie says:

        If we’re talking about Valerie Trierweiler, I have zero sympathy for her. She knew he was married (as was she at the time) and Hollande was cheating on Segolene with her for years before he finally left Segolene for Valerie officially. For Valerie to be then cheated on by Hollande–I’m not saying she deserved it but she KNEW Hollande’s history. What happened to her is exactly what happened to Segolene. So yeah if this is Valerie being referred to who is Hollande’s ex, don’t feel sorry for the woman one bit. She knew what she was getting into when she decided to enter a relationship with Hollande.

      • Victoria says:

        Could you give us some details please ?

      • Felicia says:

        @Amelie: My comment had nothing to do with his cheating on her. Far more to do with how he handled the aftermath. For the record though, he and Segolene were never actually married. Maybe that’s what she meant when she said he was incapable of making a decision. 4 kids but still couldn’t commit.
        As for details, I can’t. No idea if some of them are public or not. But I think it’s safe to say that in regards to himself, he’s ruthless.

      • arbelia says:

        Felicia i actually had respect for her in the beginnnig, even after the “tweet” againt Segolene Royal, because she semmed like a smart woman, outspoken and engaging. But excuse me, writing a book, publishing SMS after 2/3 years, etc… To me that’s being pathetic ( or childish considering her age ) and vindictive. I never had any doubt that Holland treated her badly, but that didn’t change my opinion of her , and yes he cheated on royal wit her (so really she had it coming). thought but her attitude was quite ridiculous before ( like the night of the victory when she asked him to kiss her and seemed mad that he hugged Royal). She just to be very jealous of his relation to the mother of his kids, and this was just a ridicoulous and childish attitude for women like her ( smart, educated, etc…).

  24. arbelia says:

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  25. Maria says:

    Lucky French. Now they have Mozart number two for president. I bet trump doesn’t even who Mozart is!

  26. ash says:

    sounds like French are having sentiments much like US did just several months ago.
    Ugh for you guys but happy that the threat of direct fascism has been defeated in France so far.

  27. Eric says:

    @babs and Felicia
    Not going to say it was great, but MLP would have turned France into a fascist state like Turkey.
    We all love how Recep consolidated power there. And Emperor Zero looks up to that! Ffs.

    • Felicia says:

      I was living in Turkey when he was first elected. He played the “meeting the EU requirements” card to eradicate the power of the generals. Had a fake coup to imprision or render impotent the intellectuals. Is now “picking a fight” with the EU so it looks like a pride for Turkey thing when he cuts off any more accession talks, except he has no intention of joining. And he rigged the election. I have a friend who was resident outside of Turkey but happened to be in Turkey during the last election and went to vote. Gave them the ID card and was dumbfounded to be told that they had voted for Erdogan 6 hours earlier at the Turkish Embassy in their country of residence. They had been in Turkey for a week already.

      • dave says:

        Frightening thing about that is they knew “how he voted”

      • Felicia says:

        I wonder how often that happened on places like Germany, who has a large Turkish population. And yeah, the whole knowing how you voted (supposedly) thing is frightening. Probably how he chooses his purge targets.

      • Lady D says:

        At least 3 times a week or more, I give thanks to the universe I was born in Canada. I’m so lucky.

  28. hmmm says:

    I see the Russian trolls have gathered to virulently spew out disinformation, baffle us with bullsh!t, spread doubt and destabilise.

    Macron CRUSHED Le Pen. CRUSHED the inception of a fascist state. CRUSHED the Nazi and #PutinsPuppet 66-33. She owes Russia a load of money now. I cried. So did Trump. So did Putin. So did Le Pen. So did the fascist snowflakes like those above.

    And then I laughed. #FrenchResistance Vive la France!

    • seesittellsit says:

      I’m not a Russian troll, I watched Morning Joe this morning, and one of his panelists said that no one should underestimate that Le Pen got more votes than the FN ever had before and there were a lot of people unenthused about Macron, and a record number of people sent in spoiled or nul ballots.

      I don’t think anyone who points this out is suggesting that Le Pen really got close and this was a marginal loss. It quite clearly wasn’t. But that doesn’t mean that the EU and other politicians shouldn’t take note of the warnings in the secondary message.

      I resent being called a Russian troll for simply stating what many others have in interviews and articles since yesterday: that the FN got above 30% this time, when last time they got 18%.

      Yes – Macron crushed Le Pen. And, yes, the FN got 11 million votes and more than 30% of the vote, and beat Fillon, Melenchon, and Hamon in the first round.

      I do not see how it is trolling to point out that there are some warning signals in these numbers. Politicians have ignored a good many warning signals over the last 30 years, from what I can tell. They are stupid to do so.

      • SilverUnicorn says:

        You are not a Russian troll but you should be aware that UK media are definitely right wing now (Daily Mail didn’t even have Macron on the cover, they’re sulking), so why do you trust them on anything?

        Honestly, what Macron should have won with, 100%? Fascists will always exist. 34% is still worrying but it’s well far away from half of the British population now….

      • seesittellsit says:

        @SilverUnicorn – “Morning Joe” is American media, not British media. But that isn’t my point, anyway. My point is that it is careless not to acknowledge that the FN did better than it ever has before and Macron himself seems to be aware that there are enormous economic and geographic divisions in France now – which is the same thing that is happening here in America. I think the West generally needs to heed warnings – the inequities of globalisation could upend everything.

        I didn’t suggest that Macron didn’t win big – only that smart political movements and politicians should not be indifferent to what the other numbers mean, too.

  29. Cheryl says:

    I don’t think that anyone has any idea how this government will work. He is big on the EU and globalization. The global market is actually quite scary and in Canada we have been experiencing this. In Vancouver and Toronto houses are mostly over one million dollars due to foreign rich individuals in the housing market. Basically globalization means that big banks (of which this man is) allow the wealthy to take over countries. They come and buy houses with cash. Meanwhile the average person is priced out and the immigrants and the refugees are in a situation which is terrible. We have families of 7 who are refugees living in 1 bedroom apartments because housing is so high. Most of the money now coming in is from Asia. Literally Asia owns Canada. France is or will be probably the same with this government. I truly believe that soon the world will be like countries where there is only wealthy and the poor. The middle class will die. Europe and North America were the only places where there was a large middle class and due to globalization the middle class is dying. Really scary here in Canada. We let in refugees and immigrants but many are living in poverty and turning to crime to get by.

    • Joannie says:

      Read about Kleptocracy! Scary as hell. That’s what’s happening because of globalization. It’s allowing the rich and the leaders of our countries to hide their wealth.

    • seesittellsit says:

      Too true. I used to live in New York City – you should see how the huge buildings ringing Central Park are causing so much shadow across the park, that ordinary people have to leave the park a couple of hours earlier because the buildings, most of which are tax havens and parking spots for rich investors, are creating an artificial twilight.

      The commons are being eaten slowly but surely. Governments are filled with figureheads acting for the globalists – no one has more power than they do, now. It’s a new feudal system with a veneer of democracy.

      • siri says:

        What a remarkably precise descripton, LOVE the “veneer of democracy”! Although it’s sad, really.

    • Sixer says:

      The London property market is now basically the money-laundering capital of the world.

      • seesittellsit says:

        @Sixer – recently on The Guardian (I’m trying, as you know!) I saw an article that said that the investors are now branching out to Brighton, Manchester, and Birmingham, as even the upper middle-class flee London because of the costs.

        Was it you who sent me to political compass? I went to it and took their test although the graph was a little hard to grasp afterward. . . . very interesting.

  30. Sara says:

    Le Pen is not a Holocaust denier. There is plenty to criticise about her without lying. Her father trivialised the Holocaust, but she expelled him from the party and called the gas chambers of WWII the worst form of barbarism. Let’s not make up false news.

    I’m glad Macron won.

  31. slowsnow says:

    With all due respect, I am a little sick of the constant references to the couple Macron-Brigitte’s origins in this site. It has endured the test of time, move on please. There are much more urgent matters now such as the legislatives.

    Asking if there was sexism in Le Pen’s “failure” and then constantly talking about a private relationship of the winning candidate is adding non-sense to more non-sense.

  32. Amelie says:

    Trust me, people who voted for Macron didn’t think for one second about Brigitte Macron when they voted for him when other things were at stake. I know I did not. At this point it is a non-story and nobody cares. At most it will be a small footnote in Macron’s presidency.

    As for the elections, all my American friends on social media were all like “YAY THANK GOD!” While I am relieved, this is far from over. Macron is by no means a perfect candidate and we have no idea how his presidency will pan out since he is untested. If he can’t win a parliamentary majority in June in the legislative elections, it will be hard for him to govern–which might be good or bad depending on what side of the political spectrum you are on. If he doesn’t do well, Marine Le Pen could come back stronger in 2022 which is what I worry about. I will never understand people who blank vote though–abstaining, whatever, okay. But blank votes (though I will admit to seeing some creative but silly write ins like Deadpool or Gandalf on social media) to me are just the same as abstaining and kind of a waste of time IMO. After the American elections, I really don’t have the patience to understand this kind of thing.

    Also this: “I do wonder: if Marine le Pen had been a paternalistic white dude spouting the exact same views, would the election have been more of a dogfight?” See the 2002 French presidential elections when Jean-Marie Le Pen, Marine’s father, made it to the final round. Jacques Chirac won in a landslide simply because he was not Jean Marie Le Pen and he was a guy. Marine, who is a woman, actually got more votes than her father did in 2002 which is definitely worrisome.

  33. Babs says:

    @Amelie : The creativeness you are talking about is not a blank vote. It’s called “voter nul”. A blank vote is an empty enveloppe or an all white bulletin you prepared before. Some people, like me, prefer this to an abstention because it leaves no doubt on the message, the message being that you are interested in the election but you think neither candidate is fit to the function. The impact in the end is the same, the interpretation is not.

    • SilverUnicorn says:

      @Babs

      As someone who used to do that at all elections, sorry but the message you talk about is worth nothing. You might as well have stayed home (If you didn’t do it through postal vote, clearly).

      Vote or don’t. The null vote is the most cretinous ever (Again, I was guilty of that until recently).

      • Babs says:

        Postal vote??? What?
        And thank you for the education but it’s worth something to me and obviously to whole lot of voters seeing the results. And I repeat, blank vote IS NOT a null vote. That’s two different things.

      • SilverUnicorn says:

        You are evidently bitter and unavailable for a structured and calm discussion.
        A vote is worth for a candidate.

        The fact you think that it is ‘worth to you’ speaks volumes about your privilege, sorry.
        You don’t show empathy either (it doesn’t matter if you do it alone or in the company of millions) for the plight of other people who would have suffered hell under a LePen presidency.

      • Babs says:

        Calm discussions don’t include terms like “cretinous”. And for real, what is a postal vote?
        I’m sorry but you don’t get to decide what I choose to express with my voting right is worth or not. This is a privilege every citizen have. Non citizens don’t have it, I already talked about that upthread.

      • Amelie says:

        I’m assuming postal vote means voting through the mail, aka voter par correspondance. We have this in the US as well with absentee ballots. Am I right Silver Unicorn?

      • Babs says:

        You can’t vote by mail in France except in some cases if you live in another country. But not for présidentielles neither for législatives apparently. That’s why I never heard about such a thing.

  34. manta says:

    Hurrah for his victory, anything better than Le Pen. But a quick look at the clique who supported him during the campaign doesn’t make one very optimistic. I mean Minc, Attali, political advisers for the mighties since the 80s, and all of their little friends. Former ministers of Chirac, Hollande, centrist members of parliament, a former head of the communist party, talk about an odd group.

    The same eminences grises will be at the helm, while the alluring man will take nice pictures and look good on stage in international summits and state dinners.
    Let’s hope I’ll be proven wrong.

  35. Annetommy says:

    Fascism / repression / revolting regimes don’t always come about because of hordes of dedicated committed followers. Quite often there is a hard core of support, an opposition, and hordes of passive non-voters. Whether it’s because they can’t be bothered their arses to get to the polling booth, feel voting is irrelevant, think both candidates are equally bad, are too high-minded to vote for a less than perfect candidate, or some other reason, their disengagement enables horrible administrations / regimes to get into power. It happened in the US, thank goodness it didn’t happen in France, but non-voters really have a responsibility too. If you don’t vote, you are part of the problem.

    • SilverUnicorn says:

      Totally agree with everything you said.

      • Maria F. says:

        Considering how much people and then the female gender have fought for the right to vote, abstaining is disappointing.

        What is the message? That you did not like either candidate? Fine, but somebody WILL win and you WILL have to live with that person. So better to vote for the lesser evil and get active during the next four years in your local and county governments and some such and try to cure the system from within.

        Abstaining might make you feel good for a hot minute, but to the person who wins the election (and in this case it could have been MLP) it is the emptiest of gestures.

        And if you did not see how dangerous that is in the 3 months that Trump has been in the White House with this crazy finger on the red button…….

      • bitchy says:

        They didn’t abstain.
        They made their vote forms “not counting” because they somewhat made them invalid.
        One the one hand that means that it is a form of not voting.

        On the other hand that means that whoever gets elected receives the message that a lot of voters are very dissatisfied. Voters’ dissatisfaction in France means a lot more than in any other European country. Because the French go on strike A LOT. And they are very easily motivated to strike. VERY EASILY.

        Voters delivered about 4 mio invalid votes. That tells Macron how much he is disliked and that he can expect a lot of protest and strikes.

      • Sixer says:

        This is what I think a lot of critical comments on this post are missing.

        France hasn’t defanged its unions like the US and UK. It hasn’t deregulated like the US and UK. It hasn’t financialised public services like the US and UK.

        As I understand it, the Macron platform is basically advocating what Clinton/Blair did in the US and UK a couple of decades back. Right at the time when most progressive thinkers in the US and UK are conceding that the Clinton/Blair continuation of Reagan/Thatcher economic policies while introducing social liberalism, while well-intentioned, was a mistake and a significant cause of the rise of right populism.

        As I said above, I would have voted Macron to keep out le Pen if I were a French voter, if only to buy time to defend against her. But to say that those refusing to make a vote utile here are ignorant and/or accommodating of racism is to completely misunderstand the French situation.

    • bitchy says:

      @ Annetommy

      The french election system isn’t proportional. But they have several election circles in which candidates get “eliminated” e.g. kicked out of the election for lack of votes. Most of those who voted for Macron didn’t vote for him in the first circle. He and Le Pen were the two who made it into the finale.
      And chosing between Le Pen and Macron is like chosing between … pest and cholera.

      • Annetommy says:

        It strikes me more like a choice between chickenpox and Ebola. You might not want either, but one of them is much more likely to be fatal. I do not empathise with many of Macron’s views, which are too right wing for me. But I don’t think they are nearly as bad as Le Pen’s. A Clinton / Trump situation.

  36. Jacob says:

    This is not the slam dunk victory this, or any, site claims. The National Front gets more votes in every election. This time by the biggest margin ever. That means more seats and more power. They haven’t been routed. They are stronger than ever and it’s terrifying.

    • bitchy says:

      Very good point. When Chirac did beat Marine Le Pen’s father (Jean-Marie) about a decade ago Chirac achieved a distinctive slam dunk victory as Jean-Marie Le Pen and his party were crushed. Back then the Lefties had chosen to support Chirac in order to kick out Le Pen.

      But this time the Lefties didn’t go for Macron. There will be a lot of protest against Macron’s policies. In fact about 4 mio french voters made their votes not counting by “demolishing” their paper vote form. I think 4 mio voters are roughly about 10% of the overall voting population of France (which has a population of about 60 mio which roughly translates into 40-45 mio voters).

      • Bv says:

        12 million people abstained that is worrisome in the long run, I think Melenchon was a better option.

    • siri says:

      Thank you, fully agree. There’s no room for complaceny at this point. And now Macron needs to deliver, and hopefully gets enough support from other parties to somehow at least try to unify a completely divided country.

  37. bitchy says:

    Macaron is more similar to Trump with regard to his economic ideals: neo-liberalism / neo-con / libertarian. Not good for the little man.

    • Anya says:

      Please tell me you know nothing about economy cause their economic views are very different, but nice try.