Feminist Naomi Wolf: why women want (and want to be) Angelina Jolie

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Angelina Jolie is the cover girl for July’s Harper’s Bazaar – but she didn’t give the magazine an interview. Instead, prominent feminist writer and political consultant Naomi Wolf has written an essay about the appeal of Angelina called “The Power of Angelina”. It’s a long essay, so I’m just going to put the most interesting parts (in my opinion) but the complete essay is here. Naomi sort of goes on for a while about Angelina’s “icky” early years – something about vials of blood, blah, blah, I’m so in love with my brother, et cetera. We remember, we were there. Mere “eccentricities” for Naomi. I kind of agree.

The main crux of Wolf’s argument seems to be her admiration for Angelina boldly redefining a “fairly radical vision of single motherhood that made the relationship seem tender, glamorous, and complete, father figure or no father figure in the picture.” But once Angelina got with Brad, Wolf says Angelina managed “the almost unheard-of task of turning the home-wrecker label into a wholesome, family-friendly triumph.” Naomi also kind get wordy about Angelina and the planes. This is a bit obvious for me (flying a plane = uninhibited sexuality) so you can read it on the Harper’s site. Here’s an edited version:

Who are our female film legends these days? Rare are the sultry, dangerous, and highly individualistic Hollywood goddesses who were so prevalent in the 1930s and 1940s.

Of these few exceptions, one thinks right away of Ms. Angelina Jolie. Ever since about 2004 — when she started crafting a new and revolutionary persona out of her prior story line as an eccentric ingenue, a story line that had been erratic and filled with missteps — she has resonated in a way no other modern female star has managed.

Yes, she is conventionally beautiful: Bosomy and wasp-waisted, with that curtain of hair and those crazy pillowy lips, she is an obvious male sex fantasy. But more suggestively, polls show that her appeal and magnetism play at least as powerfully in the fantasy life of females.

Women admire Angelina Jolie, but that would hardly stop the presses. Polls also show that if women — not just lesbian and bisexual women but straight women — had to choose a female lover, they would want to sleep with Angelina Jolie. In other words, women both identify with her and desire her.

There’s something more than a simply physical response. Her persona hits an unprecedented level of global resonance — and makes women want to be with her and be her at the same time — because she has created a life narrative that is not just personal. Rather, it is archetypal. And the archetype is one that really, for the first time in modern culture, brings together almost every aspect of female empowerment and liberation.

Consider how patriarchal civilization has managed to keep women in hand for all these millennia. Among other methods of social control, women are almost always given a series of either-or choices. The deal is usually that they may realize one aspect of their personality but at the expense of many others. And the deal is usually that if they choose “too much,” a terrible punishment one way or another awaits them.

So you can be respected as a symbol of goodness (Florence Nightingale, Mother Teresa) but not, obviously, be seen as sexual. You can have a hot sex life (Marlene Dietrich) but not at the same time be seen as a symbol of goodness. You can’t get away with it. (Somehow, when an icon who was at once both a sexual being and engaged in good deeds died in a violent accident — Princess Di, of course — the story had a kind of terrible narrative inevitability.) You can take a lover — and even be a home wrecker — but not claim the hope of being seen as a good mom (Madame Bovary, Elizabeth Taylor). You can’t get away with it. You can have money, fame, and a dazzling career, but you must surely be depressed, drug addicted, lonely, or self-destructive (Jacqueline Susann, Marilyn Monroe). You can’t get away with it.

The magic of Jolie’s self-presentation? She makes the claim, with her life and actions, that, indeed, you can get away with it. All of it. Against every Western convention, she has managed to draw together all of these kinds of female liberation and empowerment. And her gestures determinedly transgress social boundaries — boundaries of convention, race, class, and gender — giving many of us a vicarious thrill.

When the megascandal took place — Jolie’s alleged seduction of a married man, Brad Pitt, on the set of Mr. and Mrs. Smith — it could have been the end of Jolie as a role model. But she managed the almost unheard-of task of turning the home-wrecker label into a wholesome, family-friendly triumph. There was little Maddox, who was growing up and clearly enjoying tossing footballs with his mother’s new boyfriend. Jolie had managed to head off the scarlet letter by giving a boy an ideal masculine counterpoint.

Equally ostentatiously in her role as lover, she took for her own pleasure the male seen as the most desired of the tribe, Brad Pitt, who is always ranked at the top of indexes of male beauty and virility. As for the constraints of social convention — ahem, he was still married? You can have a variety of feelings about this, but Jolie’s evident disdain of that social constraint certainly, for better or worse, put her in the same self-entitled category as those men who have traditionally taken what they wanted and let the emotional chips fall where they may.

So she becomes what psychoanalysts call an “ego ideal” for women — a kind of dream figure that allows women to access, through fantasies of their own, possibilities for their own heightened empowerment and liberation.

What’s next for Jolie? No way to tell, but I am certain, given the knack she has shown for tapping into this female collective unconscious, that we will watch with more than ordinary interest. Can the matriarchal tribe sustain itself? What will happen when the youthful beauty changes? Can such a sexually pluralistic woman stay satisfied in a conventional monogamous relationship — even with the most beautiful boy — for life, as Brad Pitt becomes a solidly middle-aged man? Will truly nothing break in this have-it-all-all-the-time exceptional drama?

I for one will keep watching, since Jolie’s image is not just a mirror of one woman but also a looking glass for female fantasy life writ large.

[From Harper’s Bazaar]

I tend to agree with most of what Naomi is saying, and I’m just thrilled that a serious feminist is actually focusing on a prominent woman alive today. I get so tired of reading what various feminists think of Marilyn Monroe, or even Princess Diana. Naomi is a great writer, and a very interesting feminist thinker – amongst many others, she’s notably written bestsellers The Beauty Myth (about our patriarchal society’s enforcement of beauty standards and society’s “punishment” of women who don’t adhere to those standards) and Misconceptions (about modern medicine’s complicity in dehumanizing pregnancy and birth). Though I love a good feminist treatise, Naomi’s political career wasn’t so great. She famously consulted on Al Gore’s presidential run in 2000, and is often “credited” with giving Gore horrible advice about his clothes and how he should kiss Tipper publicly and often. I’m hoping Naomi’s next essay is on Julia Roberts. Or maybe Sarah Jessica Parker? That would be a good one.

Here’s Angelina on April 23rd. Images thanks to INF Photo.

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  1. didi says:

    This Naomi Wolf is as stupid as her idole.

  2. Annie says:

    Oh! How delightfully well-written and interesting.

    Naomi makes some valid arguments and I think it’s a pretty accurate depiction of how I see the whole thing.

    Men all across the world do more than that, and worse than what she’s done and don’t get nearly as much hatred.

  3. Rhonda says:

    what a crosk of poo. I will not be buying thta magazine.
    And angie does not have a wholesome image. puleeeeeeeese. She is one of the most diliked woman in America.
    Woman don’t whan to be this pittiful piece of crap.

  4. teehee says:

    I dont want to be her.
    Does that make me a man? LOL

  5. Tara says:

    I think this was an interesting article by Ms Wolf. However, Ms Wolf article seems to be a bit of a love letter to Angie. I thought that Ms Wolf was a serious feminst but I was clearly wrong.Angie a mavellous PR and Legal team…thats why she gets away with it.

  6. saintdevil says:

    There are tons of actresses who are mothers and sex symbols nowadays and also known for charitable work. Kate Winslet comes to mind – who also is much more my idea of “wholesome” than Angelina.

  7. Tess says:

    Naomi Wolf. What a twit.

    Bla Bla…patriarchal society…bla bla bla.

    Hey, guess what? Patriarchal societies would cease to exist without the tacit approval and co-operation of women.

  8. Your Friend says:

    tara’s right.

    wolf, usually a good and rather investigative writer, has been fooled by the packaging of ms. jolie…

    sad

  9. Mena says:

    There are many many women across the globe who admire Jolie. I am one of them and I am from Europe. She is an exceptional woman and you americans should be a proud of her.

  10. geronimo says:

    Bit OTT, and a lot of sweeping statements – we want to be her, we want to be with her, we want her life, her man etc etc. I don’t on any of that, and particularly not Pitt.

    I’m kind of lukewarm on Wolf in general and she seems to have well & truly bought into the hype here. I like AJ, she’s very successful at what she does but what Wolf seems to be celebrating here is her superior powers of media manipulation….which is fine, but why not call it that instead of dressing it up as ‘Jolie, feminist icon of our time’?

  11. Rose says:

    I like AJ, but I don’t want to be her, Wolf is projecting.

  12. Because I Say So says:

    I think it’s larger than AJ– the ideals we hold for women and punishment if they fail to live up to it. Angelina is mostly a metaphor and she’s using her to show how fascinated we are with her globally. Love her or hate her, very few people can engender such strong feelings for doing very little (in all honesty). Interesting points Wolf brings up

  13. someone says:

    Im not proud of her, she only tried to help her image in the last 5 years, before that she was a freaky ho. I don’t want her, and certainly don’t want to be her.

  14. KansasRefugee says:

    I think Naomi Wolf has written some very interesting things and brings to the surface some subconscious things going on in the culture. I think she does get a bit presumptuous at times where she purports to speak for other women.

    As for Angelina, I am not sold on her single motherhood and relationship with Brad, to the extent it’s any of my business. I think there’s a kind of vacancy and spaciness to her – I sometimes wonder if there’s much going on upstairs except a lot of attention-seeking and acting out behavior. Does she have some kind of abandonment issues that she is trying to work through by taking on so many children? Could she be using them to meet her own needs for importance, intimacy?

    It will indeed be interesting to see if she has enough substance to her to hold public attention as her beauty fades.

    Oh & PS – I don’t like men who abandon, manipulate, don’t deal with their issues from their childhood and who take on too many children, either.

  15. OXA says:

    People call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat or a prostitute.
    I do not want to be like Angelina Jolie,
    I want to be like me.

  16. Dan says:

    “This Naomi Wolf is as stupid as her idole.”

    lol @ didi-oh the irony!

  17. nimble minx says:

    eh, I’ll give you “eccentric” regarding the vial of blood…

    …but NOT regarding her comment on and passionate kissing of her brother.

    that’s more than “eccentric”. that’s “disturbed”.

  18. LuLu says:

    “Equally ostentatiously in her role as lover, she took for her own pleasure the male seen as the most desired of the tribe, Brad Pitt, who is always ranked at the top of indexes of male beauty and virility.”

    I think I am the only woman on earth who thinks he is the LEAST desirable man of the tribe. He looks totally ragged out since he hooked up with Angelina.

  19. kap says:

    I certainly wouldn’t mind looking like her. She seems to me like someone who went through a lot of trauma at an early age and was able to rise above it and turn her life around. I know many people seemingly hate her for “stealing” Pitt (although how you can steal another human is beyond me, unless you ask for a ransom) and don’t want to admit that his marriage was in serious trouble, if not already over, before she ever came along. I think the hatred isn’t over feeling bad for Aniston, although that’s the stated reason, but more of a jealousy because Jolie is beautiful, successful, confident, intelligent and a free spirit who really doesn’t care what any of the haters think about her. Just my opinion.

  20. Lee says:

    in response to didi:

    Naomi Wolf is not so stupid as to mispell IDOL. how embarrassing for you.

  21. Iris says:

    most women admire her, or at the very least, she’s not “one of the most disliked women in America”. that would be Paris Hilton and company.

    honestly, I think the women that dislike her are secretly afraid of women like her stealing their man.

  22. lex says:

    @ Dan. Too funny, you beat me to it! 🙂

  23. Enonymous says:

    I admire Angelina Jolie’s tactics, strength to manipulate the mass media to her own advantage in such a positive way and improve her life and public image in such a short period of time. However, I find it irritating and unsettling that certain people, women and especially men, from any profession (but is particularly irritating if they are actors/celebrities) can hold so much influence and power over us mere mortals. I just don’t like people being over hyped because in the end, they are always disappointing. And as the saying goes, the higher they rise, the harder they will fall.

  24. Cheyenne says:

    I like Angie, I admire her and I respect her. Would I ever do her? Hell to the no.

    (That said, I’d do Brad Pitt in a New York minute.)

  25. LH says:

    While she may be aesthetically beautiful, she is messed up and I do not aspire to be like her – at all. It’s a stretch to say that “trauma” in her childhood caused her to be this way – or that she’s “overcome” it. It’s pretty well documented that she’s heavily medicated and suffers from addiction problems. That’s not something you outgrow just because you’re in your 30’s..

  26. Linda says:

    OMG – this is too funny!!! Is this what “journalism” has come to???

    I neither admire Angelina nor would I want to be like her nor would I ever want her!!!

    The lenghts that Angelina’s admirers will go to…crrrrreeeeeppppppyyyyyy! Very creepy.

  27. Kathi says:

    As kap said: “Jolie is beautiful, successful, confident, intelligent and a free spirit who really doesn’t care what any of the haters think about her.”

    Just sayin’: I want to be like her.

  28. nony says:

    I completely agree Enonymous.

  29. irl says:

    wow, just looks like another campaign to lift St. AngieJo up.

    She’s gross, looks like a praying mantis. I can think of about 20 other chicks in Hollywood I’d find more attractive as far as that lesbo stuff goes.

    The writer acts like no other single woman has adopted kids before. Like she accomplished some miracle instead of getting herself an open ended ticket to Cambodia – where all the good H is.

  30. BlueSkies says:

    I find it hard to believe Wolf who is a Rhodes scholar and Ivy League graduate is personally impressed with Angelina. Maybe Naomi has another book coming out soon and is just hitching her wagon to Jolie.

    Also, anyone with some bucks can take flying lessons but to get a pilot license takes hours of dedication and flight time. Does Jolie have a license? Anyone? I just can’t see her carrying through on actually getting a license, no less a real education.

    And I don’t want to look like her because she has a huge head and face fit for a man.

  31. BlueSkies says:

    People magazine says she has a pilot’s license. Can she solo?

  32. wow says:

    so funny when people read the word “feminist” they go all deaf and stupid.

    She represents the archetype of independence. What’s not to love?

  33. Cheyenne says:

    To LH: It’s “pretty well documented that she’s heavily medicated and suffering from addiction problems”? Documented where by whom?

    It’s never a good idea to make such a statement without citing your source. In other words, put up or shut up.

  34. Diana says:

    I’m clueless as to why and haven’t given it any thought. The only thing I know is, I’m not one of them :::smile:::

  35. Layla says:

    I don’t admire her. I don’t want to be her. I don’t think she’s attractive in the slightest way. I don’t understand.

  36. Annabelle says:

    Iris, you’re a dill.

    Look, AJ is not ugly, but why is it that if we don’t find her attractive we must be jealous? or afraid? Come on!
    If you like huge inflated lips that are too big for the face, that is your business, but it doesn’t mean everybody does. That doesn’t make me afraid, it means I have a brain and am capable of deciding for myself who I find attractive instead of just agreeing with everybody else.

    Seriously.

    That article is a joke, EARTH TO NAOMI!!

  37. the original kate says:

    i don’t want to be her, and i don’t want brad, either – she seems like a bitch and he seems like a twit.

  38. sickofit says:

    naomi wolf seems to do that thing called name-dropping an she seems to have a crush on her( i so agree with the other bloggers)? trying to find someone to match her ideas of feminism. and than she talks about women like marlene dietrich. thats more than ages. this article is so redundant.

  39. Sauronsarmy says:

    An archetype of independence that wouldn’t be anywhere if it weren’t for her famour daddy, and new nose.

  40. Annabelle says:

    The archetype of independence?

    Yeah… so independent… with a de-facto and 100 kids.. yup..

    I think our definition of independence differs dramatically.

  41. sarcra says:

    Puke.

  42. Annie says:

    lol @ didi-oh the irony!

    *giggle* Damn. Beat me to it too!

  43. Fiona says:

    Angie all the way!!!She leaves the competition eating dust….She certainly is not your plane Jane type!!!

  44. orion70 says:

    yeah i kinda lol’d a little at the “archetype of independance” thing myself, i’d say we leave that tag for the hundreds of thousands of strong women who are out there making it on their own without the multi-million dollar salaries.

    I don’t hate this woman, I like some of her movies, i’m not saying she doesn’t do good things, but I don’t want to be her either. Long before she ever hooked up with Brad (who I never “got” either), so that has nothing to do with it. I’d rather be curvy, and not be so thin that my head looks larger than my hips, which seems to have increased for her in latter years. I just don’t like boyish figures, sorry.

    And I SURE don’t want her relationship with her father. Or should I say, lack thereof.

    Annabelle, you got it right. And to OXO in particular, very well said !!! “I want to be me” too.

  45. wow says:

    Not every woman, nor everyone, is that impressed with Miss. Jolie.

    Really.

  46. jayem says:

    Methinks all you ladies doth protest a little too much. Especially since you have to make it ever so clear that you DO NOT like her, want her, or WANT to be like her. Obviously this woman is entitled to her opinion. And I rather agree with her. Jolie is the go-to-girl for a brazen f-you attitude, in both her personal and professional lives. I think it would do a lot of people well to have the same attitude. No one said you had to get all Octo-mom about it…

  47. wow says:

    yeah, but SHE made HER millions. She choose her children and her mate and the positive work she wants to do, so yes, she’s an archetype, a symbol of that independence to lots of people.

    That’s all the author’s saying.

    Can’t really argue any of these points unless someone’s so threatened by her “type” they just can’t abide others admiring her for these qualities?

  48. Ned says:

    She got her breakthrough thanks to a man (her father), and she gets to live in these mansions thanks to the money her lover brought.

    Angie can’t afford her current lifestyle without Brad’s money.

  49. Katharine Jaynes says:

    It’s hard not to admire Angelina Jolie. I agree with Miss Wolf, the woman has it all and doesn’t apologize for anything.

  50. Ned says:

    Naomi Wolf is giving Angie credit when it’s due to her superb PR team.

    It is there talent and acumen that generated her image and publicity status, not her own doing.

    They did an amazing job.

    I also find it funny that a woman who wrote about how notion of beauty- the plastic surgeries, dieting and the way women dress are all means of suppression- chose Angelina as an icon.

    Unless she means Angie is an icon of that suppression (a nose job, anyone?)

  51. Margret's says:

    I admire Angelina, She has grown into an awesome person. Everyone come through a wild patch in their life even these bitter negative hags that click onto every Brad and Angelina thread and vomit out nothing but hatred post after post.
    I admire her for tuning her life around and trying to make a difference in the world. I’m sorry the haters are so negative towards her and any one that have a good word to say about Angelina like Naomi Wolf. Naomi Wolf did not need to be attack for her article.
    The haters still do not understand that their constant attacks on Jolie is cause her to rise to the top. Haters need to get a clue.
    Should it be said again, if you hate Angelina so much why sit here all day long and make post after post when you can be on the site of your favorite star. I believe the haters are paid to go to every site and post negative stuff about Angelina. That would be a stinky unhappy job indeed.

  52. twokids2 says:

    Well, it seems final.
    Brangelina are headed straight to Splitville!
    Now, What are the Brangeloonies going to do without their favorite couple no more?

  53. J says:

    Naomi Wolf is an old-school feminist. Her perspectives are predictable.

    However, I am surprised she didn’t point out the obvious one: Ms Jolie can “get away with everything” is simply because she is beautiful, which what most beautiful women get always in human history anyway. Monica Bettolucci will get away as well — but not Ms Rosanne.

    If Ms Wolf looks like Ms Elizabeth Tyler, she could have gotten away with everything, too.

    Beauty is the ultimate power here, not feminism.

  54. Judy says:

    I have never heard that AJ is a drug addict like June is making out . How do you know June you sharing the pipe with her, if not then you know nothing. And DIDI try spelling it IDOL, there is no E..you women make me laugh, not one among you that any where near the strength that AJ has. You know absolutely nothing about her child hood but what the rag mags print ,of course we must read the rag mags or how would we KNOW anything??
    Wolf has a thing about AJ true but most of what she says is true. Aj did run rampant when she was younger but she has settled down since she adopted her first child and then had a few Bio children. You wouldn’t want her life ?? ROFLMAO the money and freedom to go anywhere in the world? To buy that dress you so want but you just cannot swing it on your budget..get real ladies. You don’t have to be jealous of AJ but don’t sit here and say that your wouldnt have her life because you are lying. SHe has it all and has earned it and if you could have your family live the life of hers you would jump at the chance it is like telling us that if your won the lotto you would turn it down LOL Maybe you would but I can bet your husband would take it and you would be out the door. LOL

  55. DD says:

    hmm Interesting… I really admired her right before she hooked up with Pitt.

    A: He seemed like your typical vacuous Ken doll.
    B: Her media campaign focusing on her relationship with Pitt and their children, all the W and Hello photoshoots they indulged in.
    C: He was married when they obviously were hooking up.

    After that everything about her went downhill including her personality, style and looks.

  56. cakes says:

    Honestly angelina is pretty average. She has the advantage of being wealthy. But aside from that she is just like any other working woman with a family. She goes to work comes home to her kids and partner she has her hobbies and special interest work. I know several women who have this same lifestyle but on a much smaller attention and income scale.
    I fail to see how she is a “bad ass” for having a life that so closely resembles that of any wife in the suburbs.
    And her f*** off attitude has yet to make an appearance because she gives average interviews and she doesn’t really leave that big of an impression at least on me.
    Angelina is just an average woman with an average life that has the benefit of wealth and celebrity.

  57. Tess says:

    @J:

    You hit the nail on the head.

    Women are powerful. Beauty, which is a visual cue of good, healthy genes, is the key to a woman’s power.

    It’s the way humans are wired. Smart, strong men with leadership qualities and smart, beautiful women are at the top of the heap. It’s all about breeding…combining one’s genes with the highest quality genes available.

    No social utopianism, trendy philosophy, or feminist dogma will alter fundamental biology.

  58. Josephina says:

    People…please.

    You do not have to like her to see that she has a profound effect upon what is seen as a beautiful, sexy woman. How many more charts and “most beautiful” polls does she have to top for you to realize this? Obviously, she has gained all of this recognition consistently over the years WITHOUT your support.

    No one is saying that she will save the world with one of her visits or one of her op-ed pieces. She is driven to help in any that she thinks will make a difference and it shows. She said she wanted to raise concerns and be one of the voices that speak on behalf of the refugess and she is doing just that. Belittling her contribution does not stop her from her commitment to her work nor does it lessen the admiration for what she does.

    Martin Luther King Jr. did not stop racism or segregation either, now did he? By the way he was much hated, so much so that he was assasinated for his beliefs and conduct. But he became very popluar very rapidly in his young age also. His worldwide INFLUENCE and his WORDS shaped the future. Progress always starts with the little things done consistently over time. If you know what a movement is, then you will understand what I am talking about. If not, my comments will be reduced to “idol worship” due to ignorance.

    This woman is the most talked about woman in Hollywood… anyone care to challenge this? Her influence extends way beyond blogs such as this one. She is recognized around the world for her voice and activism on the behalf of refugees. No one is saying that she is the only one that is a humantarian. She is the most popular one. And she smartly channels her beauty and popularity to make us pay attention to what we would rather ignore. Now she may not motivate some of you on this thread, but trying to dismiss her relevance is silly and inaccurate.

    I was never moved by Elvis, the Beatles, or Lady Diana, but I do recognize the affect they have had upon others.

    Small minded people will not be able to focus on her life’s work..instead they will talk about how skinny she is, how they think she got Brad, that she “collects” third world kids, that she cannot be a good mother because she travels too much, that she may still be a lesbian, may still be using drugs, had sexual relationship with her brother and/or animals, etc. They would rather see he ths way and call it “truth.” After all, this version seems more likely.

  59. Give it a rest Brangeloonies says:

    The brangeloonies need to take their meds. To argue that she must be worth all of this praise because she is the most talked about woman in Hollywood means nothing. She was recently replaced by Kate Gosselin and before Angie came along it was Paris Hitlon. The point being that we have very low standards for what makes someone ‘talked about’.

    Naomi Wolf, who has a history of ridiculous claims (See google) misses the much larger point here about what has really happened to feminism. It’s dead and I can prove it. The messages directed at women have been the same for centuries.

    1. Find Prince Charming

    2. Make babies

    The 2009 version of that re-packaged message is.

    1. Find a man, any man will do, because nothing is worse than being a woman without a man.

    2. Make lots and lots of babies. It’s all the rage. Everybody’s doing it and you don’t want to be untrendy do you?

    3. Get thin. Just stop eating. It’s so much faster than going on a diet.

    4. Get beautiful, botox, plastic surgery whatever it takes.

    5. Don’t get old, and by old, we mean 40.

    Angie’s young, “hot”, anorexic and turned her uterus into a clown car so of course the idiots and fake feminists love this woman. She embodies the death of feminism like no other celebrity out there. After Tomb Raider she spent years in the box office dud wilderness and no one gave a crap about her until she started making babies with Brad Pitt, the fake version of Prince charming. Enough said.

  60. HashBrowns says:

    She does not have a “wasp-waist”. She’s quite thick-waisted.

    Pretty much every single African American woman has beautiful large, plump lips that look natural and fit their faces yet no one talks about how beautiful they are.

    She is not “wholesome” and I don’t think anyone thinks she is. Wholesome is Reese Witherspoon or Sandra Bullock. Angelina Jolie is more worldly and tries to do that whole “earth mother” thing. Be honest, Brangeloonies, “wholesome” is not the first word you think of when you think Angelina Jolie.

    Anyone who wants to be anyone but themselves has issues.

    Admiration of someone is whatever-but personally I’d rather not admire someone who carefully crafts their public persona and managed to manipulate their image from crazy drug-addled bi-sexual weirdo to Earth Mother/lover of Brad Pitt/mother of 6 kids in less than 5 years. What will she be in another 5 years?

    I’d rather admire someone who is stable and has a job that actually makes a difference in the world and not a job as a professional liar (that’s really all acting is…pretend to be someone else).

  61. watdoweknow says:

    Agreed Josephina.

  62. Dirty Martini says:

    I’ve never had a lesbian experience in my entire life, nor have I been tempted.

    But Angie? Well heck, I’d give it a passing thought. SHe is one hot woman, all the way around.

    Throw in Brad Pitt, make it a 3some, and I’m totally there.

  63. Zoe (The Other One) says:

    Meh, shame, I’ve enjoyed a lot of Naomi Wolf’s writing previously.

  64. Anna says:

    Now how many feminists would find anything to say about the desperate, man hungry, Jennifer Aniston, and her naturally aging crow’s feet?

  65. Josephina says:

    Sometimes you have hit people TWICE….

    Specifically, I admire–not worship– women who walk the walk, work hard, undertand the concept of “global citizenship” and make a difference in the lives of others. I have even a stronger admiration for those who fight for the rights of the less unfortunate. That also includes my mom, but you do not know her…so we will stay on target and talk about the subject of this blog—Angelina Jolie.

    She fits the bill of those that I admire. To help out I will name others… I also admire Hillary Clinton, Michelle Obama, Oprah Winfrey, Josephine Baker, Harriet Tubman, Susan B. Wells, Sojourner, Anne Frank. I cannot list every female writer-the list is too long. These are just a few. They are role models. If you are wicked enough, you can always check under the hood and find junk in anyone’s closet. You just have to be motivated enough to go there.

    I admire women who contribute to society and make it a better place for those they may never get to know. These women’s determination in making the world a better place drives them to do what they do. Regardless of their personal triumphs/failures, they were focused on helping others, far beyond their immediate scope of loved ones. Now do you get it? These women either started or were involved in movements that prevailed or will continue long after they are gone. All of them understand that they might not see the end result, but they have the faith and courage to stay devoted to their cause.

    And yes, Angie is also a mother, an actress, the love of Brad Pitt’s life and incredibly a stunning beauty. But what I admire most is her work as a human rights activist. She has seen extreme human suffrage and does not want to remain on the sideline and criticize as some of you dare to do. If you do not know what this is, then please google this information and find out why politicians, NGOs as well as global leaders meet with her, and understand why her opinion is relevant.

    In fact, knock yourself out, google other people who are activists and complain on their blogs about how their work does not make a difference. I dare you.

  66. czarina says:

    I read this less as about the real Angelina Jolie, than about the way she is perceived by others.
    I thought it was a thought-provoking essay, although I think people here are taking it too personally.
    Wolf is saying that Jolie is an image of a woman who can have it all–the ‘bad girl’ image of her youth (a rebel), the single mother (independant), the humanitarian (Compassionate), the seductive ‘other woman'(passionate/sexual), the good mother (fertility and maternal instincts) and the happy “wife” or partner, if you perfer.(companion and lover)
    It is not a matter of whether these images are strictly true–it is more that she has the ability to represent the many facets of a woman’s life that most women don’t have altogether.
    I have not read the entire article, and perhaps Wolf does address the relationship of beauty and money and fame to the equation of perception that AJ “has it all”. If she has neglected any of those factors, then her argument suffers drastically.
    I would also be interested in exactly what her research was that concluded that heterosexual women wanted AJ(or did Wolf just give out a survey with 5 names and said ‘if you HAD to pick one, which would it be?’)
    And I agree, it is over the top although hints nicely at the past-stated bisexuality of Jolie.
    The question is: Is Angelina Jolie a representative of what the ‘ideal’ woman is at this time and place? Does she embody (in perception) all the facets of womanhood that women would like to encompass?
    Intersting to think about.

  67. eternalcanadian says:

    I never took much stock into what Naomi Wolf said per her whole “i’m a feminist, hear me roar” and am not starting now. hello, “sultry, dangerous, and highly individualistic Hollywood goddesses who were so prevalent in the 1930s and 1940s.” what a crock! What she wrote about Angelina is just a bunch of bunk. There’s better role models out there, especially non-celebrities. She really glossed over the simple fact Brad was married and Angelina had no qualms about hooking up with a married man. Role model indeedy, pffft.

  68. Christina X says:

    No, not really.

    I don’t want a boring husband and tons of kids. I don’t envy people who openly self-mutilate and have daddy issues, and to be honest, she’s not really that great looking…Don’t the catty Brangeloonies realize that the more they point out Jennifer Aniston’s flaws the more people want to single out Angelina Jolie’s flaws?

    Do you not realize that you’re attracting negative attention to Angelina Jolie by mocking Jennifer Aniston on a topic that has NOTHING to do with her? You make it so damn easy.

    BTW, Anna, it’s not really too “feminist” of you to pick out Jennifer Aniston’s physical flaws and relationship status as an argument against her. You know what that is? It’s petty. What some of the diehard fanatics of this couple don’t realize is that they jump at every single opportunity to diminish Jen Aniston’s self worth because she’s “ugly” and single.

    Yeah, you’re a REAL feminist for judging someone’s merit by their appearance or whether they have a man in their life.

    Whatever.

  69. geronimo says:

    @Czarina – It is an interesting question. Emma Thompson is, to me, a far better example of someone who embodies all the criteria of a contemporary icon. People may argue as to whether of not she fulfills the beauty criterion – obviously a subjective thing and since it’s the weakest part of Wolf’s list of ‘must haves’, I’m going to ignore it.

    Everything Emma’s achieved has been on her own merits. She’s a gifted actress, very intelligent, passionate, compassionate, incredibly earthy, unafraid to reveal herself and puts her money where her mouth is. She’s avoided media manipulation her entire career, using it only for film-promo purposes, never to manipulate her own public image. She’s always had a very vocal social conscience and has used her considerable weight to get behind a number of serious humanitarian isues with little fuss and genuine commitment. (BMA boycott of Nestle being one long-term cause.) Although she’s very open, she keeps her private life private. She and Branagh separated without public fuss, remain good friends and she plainly is very happy with Greg W and her lot. She gives off such an air of genuine contentment and happiness, and the public response to her mirrors that: overwhelming respect, warmth and admiration. she’s the real deal, no smoke, no mirrors.

    She’d be far closer to my idea of a contemporary female icon.

  70. geronimo says:

    Also, just to add, Emma is very pro-women, always has been, is loved and admired equally by both sexes, is adored by kids because of her ability to create such magic in her films, and although I don’t believe per se in role models, she is one. Not because she wants to be one, or ever set out to be one, just because she represents a type of integrity and ‘walking the walk’ that’s absent from the lives of so many other public figures.

  71. Mave says:

    I think Angelina is a big fake. I have so many other great women I think of as role models etc., she would be the last. She is a manipulator,fake,cruel and self-absorbed. YUCK!

  72. Yae says:

    “she took for her own pleasure the male seen as the most desired of the tribe, Brad Pitt,”
    Tribe? Um. Ms. Wolf. In America we don’t refer to ourselves as a “tribe.”
    After I read that comparison, the whole article becomes transparent…..as if she was the evolved scientist analysing the alpha female of a chimpanzee family.

  73. czarina says:

    @geronimo–Personally, I have always liked and admired Emma Thompson as an intelligent, strong-willed, and talented person.
    However, I think people here when they are discussing this seem to by implying that Wolf is talking about Angelina as a “role model” for women, which I don’t think is accurate.
    More a symbol of a woman who combines every aspect of the idea of femininity–even the bad ones (seductress, vixin, other woman). In that regard, Emma Thompson is TOO admirable to emcompass those aspects of AJ that are both undesirable but still archetypical of women in general.
    AJ being ‘over the top’ (unlike Thompson who is more dignified and restrained) is part of the perception, I think.
    If we were talking about who I’d like to BE like, I would agree with Thompson. But for the purposes of a purely theoretical living ‘archetype’ I think Wolf was correct in her choice of Jolie.
    In part, because whether you like or dislike her, she evokes strong reactions in people which is often true of symbols.

  74. Chicamorena says:

    HashBrowns: Pretty much every single African American woman has beautiful large, plump lips that look natural and fit their faces
    *************************************************

    This is probably the silliest statement I’ve ever read on this board. I’m African-American and I do not have “large plump lips”. Nor do a lot of African-Americans of my acquaintance. Black Americans are a very mixed bag, so you may want to hold the stereotypes before you start saying we all look like Aunt Jemima.

  75. Cheyenne says:

    twokids2: Well, it seems final.
    Brangelina are headed straight to Splitville!
    *************************************************

    You used to make this exact same statement on Just Jared two years ago. According to you, they were breaking up tomorrow, or next week, or next month… They don’t seem to be in any special rush to gratify you by splitting up. Maybe you need to stop reading so many tabloids.

  76. Queenie says:

    @Tess (and others)
    Since when are “Beauty” and “Wealth” correlated with good genetics? This has got to be one of the worst conflations of the American psyche going! It is a VALUE STATEMENT and nothing more. The other correlation is that “beautiful” and “wealthy” people have high moral and ethical integrity when nothing can be further from the truth. I guess Ted Bundy must have had exceptional genetics as he was charming, “intelligent”, and very good looking. And what is the gene status of Stephen Hawking? (and by “gene status” what a lot of people here seem to be saying is “f**kability”) Do tell….

  77. Cheyenne says:

    HashBrowns: Pretty much every single African American woman has beautiful large, plump lips
    *************************************************

    This is probably the silliest statement I have ever read in my entire life. I am African-American and I do not have large, plump lips, nor do many African-Americans of my acquaintance. Blacks in America are a very mixed bag so you need to junk the stereotypes and realize that we don’t all look like Aunt Jemima.

  78. wow says:

    yep Josephine, great write-up and great points too, czarina. Thanks.

  79. geronimo says:

    Czarina – yeah, I went off track a bit lol! and I agree with your last par, can’t argue with her evoking strong reactions!

    The distinction I was trying to make, using Emma T as an eg, was that everything about Emma is real and she achieved everything she did without media manipulation, whereas I think Jolie is totally a product of media manipulation. Again, I’m not knocking her, (I do genuinely like her but I’m really put off by the hype), just trying to articulate what I think are flaws in Wolf’s perception of why it is that Jolie attracts and generates the amount of interest she does. I think her starting premise is flawed since she’s basing most of her arguments on nothing more than the fantasy Jolie character created and carefully moulded (with Jolie’s assistance) by the media. Jolie was never edgy, she only ever played at being bad, that’s just hype, no more than she ever turned over a new leaf and into a saint etc etc – all that is media manufactured imo. And boy does it sell! And yes, she evokes huge reactions but it’s the hype that people are reacting to. The reality is probably duller and more mundane, maybe just as interesting but certainly not as polarising. And polarising opinion is what keeps her where she is and why people like Wolf write these OTT essays about her. JMO.

  80. Keri says:

    I’m a feminist myself and a mother and collecting children for my own selfish reasons is not my idea of the ideal woman.Look at all the work she does how can you possibly look after six children and still have time to act and run all over the world. Just listen to Brad tell the press in Cannes about his beautiful daughter from Africa to understand how narcissistic Brangelina really are. He said it because it is something he thinks important about himself. He has an African baby. Take that world! I’m sorry but women around the world striving to be like her would not be a good thing. Ms Wolf is probably searching for a role model but as usual instead of looking to real people chose celebrities instead like a teenager.

  81. Lizzy says:

    “she took for her own pleasure the male seen as the most desired of the tribe, Brad Pitt.”

    Ha, wow. So much for all you Brangaloonies’ argument that a woman can’t “take” another woman’s husband. Now she’s a feminist icon because she takes what she wants regardless of who it hurts? Oof.

  82. czarina says:

    @geronimo–I think we basically agree on the premise, only I would say that Wolf’s choice of Jolie was BECAUSE of how she is perceived (which is based, as you said, on media manipulation to a great extent). It is that media frenzy that creates Jolie as a larger than life archetype–I assumed when reading this (and I still haven’t had the energy to read the whole thing!LOL) that Wolf is not talking so much about the “real” Angellina, as she is about AJ’s meida-hyped persona.
    Is the Wolf essay silly? I approach these sort of things the way I did in university–which is you just accept the essay/argument as is, judging it on the merit of the argument, rather than whether the argument is worth it in the first place (because too often the answer would be no!!)
    @ #80 (sorry, I can’t read your name because my computer is smudging it with the number), I would just say that I read Wolf’s article as saying that Jolie fascinates people-particularly women-because in expressing herself on every level she is an “ego-ideal”. I take that to mean, not that women want to do what she’s done, or live their lives as she has, but that she is able to achieve everything she wants without limiting her choices. (i.e. have a huge family but still work).
    Some of that is, of course, because she has the money to help her create the life she wants.
    On the other hand, there are plenty of celebs/people who have money and still end up floundering without direction.
    I think some of Wolf’s asssertions are more pseudo-jargon than real arguments, but I think her basic premise has merit. I, too, admire Jolie for intelligently and creatively arranging the life she wants to live without apology to anyone.

  83. cashew says:

    The Naomi Wolf piece is so horribly misguided; talk about drinking the Kool-Aid. Is Wolf even a feminist anymore?

    One could just as easily write a feminist article about how Jolie represents everything that’s WRONG with women pandering to stereotypical male desires.

    Instead of being such a free spirit, AJ seems solely motivated by the desire to please others, not herself.

    * She is clearly malnourished. If she really is so bold, why not eat whatever she wants and not let her fear of gaining weight dominate the basic need to be healthy.

    * Her plastic surgery is an obvious attempt to garner attention.

    * Her constant monitoring of the press and garnering of favorable articles also speaks to an inner insecurity and desire for approval.

    Even the children and the philanthropy seem crafted to impress. Feminist icon? More like same-old, same-old, living Barbie-doll male fantasy (which is never real and she probably has the screaming fits and bad moods to prove that).

  84. geronimo says:

    Czarina – “I, too, admire Jolie for intelligently and creatively arranging the life she wants to live without apology to anyone.”

    Yep. Bottom line, regardless of anything else, no one can argue with that. 🙂

  85. cashew says:

    oh yeah.

    BTW I’m a straight hot woman who would never desire a scrawny, insecure, fake-lipped/cheeked ego-driven woman such as AJ.

    I am also a “do-gooder” who has devoted my life to helping others, and if I chose to swing the other way, it would be with kind, smart, modest women I know and admire, not some terrible actress (I have never enjoyed her pathetic attempt at pretending to be someone else when she clearly has no interest in anyone but herself) craving attention.

  86. Rosalee says:

    Jolie is the feminist savior? I cannot fully express my total disgust at this article, to see this manufactured bimbo who received everything including children handed to her on a silver platter is portrayed as the woman we all want to be or sleep with? Wolf should give her head a long hard shake. I’m going to remove her books from my book shelves and gently place them in the trash long with my admiration of wolf.

  87. Wayne says:

    Josephina and the rest of the Brangeloonies should get their heads out of Angelina’s ass and take their meds.

    Angelina is overrated in every single way.

  88. BlueSkies says:

    I’ve always have noted that people who have it going on themselves never buy into Angelina Jolie hype. The ones that think she is so great are probably lacking overall.

  89. Christina X says:

    I want to know, what kind of “feminist” generalizes all women and holds them to such standards? Really? Thanks for setting us back several decades.

    I suppose that I define myself as an outdated feminist, but what irks me the most about this article is how this Naomi Wolf praises AJ as a feminist for her sexuality…and before someone puts words into my mouth, I’m not implying that there is anything wrong with openly expressing your sexuality (though I personally find it annoying when people have no discretions about it, but it’s a personal belief), but using your sexuality as a tool isn’t empowering for women.

    Even prior to the Angelina Jolie/Brad Pitt/Jennifer Aniston love triangle scandal, I disliked Angelina Jolie for devising her sexuality to manipulate the press, men, and to sell movie tickets. I’m not sure if such thinking is still valid in today’s society, but I *do* consider myself a feminist in the sense that women should be judged for their merits in what they do for a living and should not have to lower themselves to manipulation to succeed. If you’re going to suggest women being treated as sexual objects and not be evaluated on the basis of what they do for a living, you’re really no better than the man who scoffs at the idea of women being allowed to work. You’re no better than the sleazy boss who gives women pay raises for wearing low cut tops, because that’s what Naomi Wolf is basically encouraging.

    Moreover, I really don’t appreciate how Naomi Wolf praises Angelina Jolie for (“supposedly”, but I believe it)wittingly interfering with the relationship between a married couple and has the audacity to declare it’s a “victory”? What? The? HELL?

    I fail to see how these actions are respectable. To me, Angelina Jolie seems so insecure and begging for validation that she doesn’t care who she hurts in order to receive the kind of attention she receives. What kind of strong or powerful woman needs to bed a married man in order to feel attractive? The fashion in which Naomi Wolf phrased that “victory” comment sounded as though AJ’s relationship with Brad Pitt was not from love, but was a conquest to confirm that men are indeed attracted to her…again, an indicator of always being in critical need of sexual attention.

    Sex will only get you so far. I thought that Naomi Wolf, being a feminist and all knew better. The BS the “post feminists” now and again attempt to forcefeed people embarasses me as someone who considers herself a traditional feminist. Shock artists such as Naomi Wolf aren’t feminists; what they do is thrive upon being controversial by throwing in the “social construction” card. And you know what? So what?

    You’d think that with such a progressive viewpoint about women, that Naomi Wolf would get the clue that we no longer live in the primitive ages and that morals and order is what keeps humanity functioning. Hiding behind the “defying social construct” defense is just another mechanism for exonerating the selfishness, classlessness, and nastiness of an individual. What draws the line?

    I don’t care whether you’re a man or woman, but unless you live in some remote tribe, expect to be judged for your actions. It has NOTHING to do with gender.

    More to the point, I think Naomi Wolf should know that for THOUSANDS of years, in many cultures, women have been accused of being morally inferior and mentally inferior to men. Women have fought too hard to be placed in the same spot socially as we were decades ago.

    Apparently, we’re here to be treated like a piece of meat and be rated upon our sexuality. Apparently, I guess it’s impossible to be a feminist today with your morality still intact. According to Naomi Wolf, it’s iconic to be portrayed as succubi?

    She’s as mysoginistic as it gets.

  90. HashBrowns says:

    @Cheyenne/Chicamorena (are you the same person?): I am African American. I have lovely large lips that do not recall Aunt Jemima. I have African American friends who have gorgeous mouths that are full and BEAUTIFUL. Check your own stereotypes and prejudices, please.

    The point I was trying to make is that white people seem to think that it’s such an odd “ooo, ahhh” type feature to be admired and yet when it comes to black women, apparently we look like Aunt Jemima.

    And I said exactly that pretty much all of us do. In my experience, African Americans in my family and in my immediate acquaintance have all had larger lips. Perhaps I just happen to be in an area where that trait was passed down and you aren’t. I don’t know.

    But it’s sad to me that you leaped to the conclusion that I was not only not African American, not only negatively stereotyping black women by using POSITIVE adjectives; the worst is that you clearly do NOT see larger lips as beautiful and you subscribe to the idea that someone with a natural, beautiful trait could be seen as a walking negative stereotype.

  91. Ursula says:

    This is actually cringe worthy

    The writer of this article must be ashamed now after the internet reaction to it. Even AngieJo must have found it cringeworthy. Eeeewww

    Here is to hoping that she has a sense of humour and she was just being sarcastic. I could write a whole article about how modern fake celebs like Angejo have setback the feminist cause by details.

    She is where she is because of the man she is with. Can anyone say that she would have been just as famous were it not for th ebermuda triangle?

    Since when has plasti surgery been good for feminism?

  92. Ursula says:

    Brava Christina X and the rest on this blog who have been able to see this article for the trash it is. I only wish this Naomi has read what every one thinks about her rubbish. For crying out loud I googled her and she wrote a whole books about women like Angelina who get where they are because of manipulation and their looks.

    What feminist icon butchers her face to change her looks? Has such a low self esteem that she clings on it for identity. She is where she is because of a man which reinforces the old stereotype that women can only get anywhere because of men.

    Naomi Wild has ruined her credibility forever. How dare she applaud a woman for something we have always derided men for? Picking and dropping women like flies? And Hapaars Bazaar, what kind of magazine prints such rubbish? Do they have an editor? Are they co owned by Bradangelina?

    Maybe Angiejo herself wrote this article and then put a gun to the editors head.

  93. Tess says:

    @ Queenie

    Good Grief. What are you talking about? Who said anything about wealth?

  94. Gia-Congrats to Angie! says:

    Angelina Jolie is an EXTREMELY beautiful woman!! Anyone with eyes can see that! She is a woman who is out there living her life, worked damn hard for her career & humanitarian efforts. Along the way she met an equally gorgeous & talented man gave birth to 3 beautiful kids & adopted 3 beautiful ethnic children! Her man supports & respects her & allows her to maintain her independence & career. She is also the most hounded woman on the planet! Besides being a good & hands-on Mother she handles the OVERWHELMING PRESS with dignity & grace, like no other woman before!(Don’t mention Princess Diana because she couldn’t take the press & had a breakdown years before her untimely death). Angelina encompasses the good, bad & ugly, again like no one else!

  95. Congrats to Angie - Part 2 says:

    Angelina’s facial features are reminescent of African Women everywhere. Elegant High Cheek-bones & Forehead, Wide Eyes & natural Luscious Full lips. If she were dark skin, Angie would pass for a Black Woman hands down. African Woman are the most beautiful women & that is where WE ALL origniate from! Ms Wolfe is right: the “good” envy of women is because every parent wants their little girls to grow up intelligent & independent! Very rare is this the case! Too many girls end up in abusive relationships, with little or no help to care for their kids & working a job which doesn’t pay much! A Wealthy woman like Jolie are greatful for every dollar they have. That’s why she contributes money from her salary to “Social Causes” around the globe, particularly in Africa & Eastern Asia! She is aware of her Financial Status & as a female rivals any rich man on the same social platform!! With the exception of Oprah & Madonna, that’s unheard of. We woman should always, always be proud of Angelina Jolie because she reminds us that WE ALL CAN DO ANYTHING WE PUT OUR MINDS TO!

  96. Congrats to Angie - Part 3 says:

    We female Americans need to take a trip to places for example like Afghanistan where women are not allowed to leave their houses without a man, have to hide to go to school & most women there cannot read. It’s the same in many parts of Africa & the Middle East, India too. Women NEED MORE WOMEN LIKE ANGELINA & OPRAH roles models in the world. Regular women become so jealous at other successful wome. Why? You should aspire to be like them not envy them because they do not have “debts” like you do? Life isn’t fair but admiration for others will make you a better person. We take Independence for granted in America. Women need to be grateful for everything we have here including figures like Angelina Jolie. Most women around the world & many in America cannot live freely & independently. Naomi Wolfe did an excellent job with this Article! Angelina is a Strong & Affirmed role model for all women regardless of race, class & religion!!

  97. Brandy says:

    The cover shot of Angelina dressed in pink is very nice & soft look for her. Where does she find the time to looks sooo good, amazing!

  98. queenie says:

    @Tess…gee I must really apologize for making the ridiculous assumption that your “strong men with leadership qualities” and my “wealth” often go hand in hand, such that one infers the other. Wow, how could I be so stupid to even imply that “strong men with leadership qualities” often means “wealth” and visa versa?

  99. Aspen says:

    Pretty much every single African American woman has beautiful large, plump lips that look natural and fit their faces yet no one talks about how beautiful they are.
    ————-

    Yes, well MOST white girls don’t have full lips…which is why Angelina’s are talked about so much. She has very exotic features that white girls don’t usually have. The feline shape of her eyes, her full lips, and the shape of her body back before she went full-on Twiggy…all unusual for a pasty chick. Hence, the fascination and noteworthiness.

    The supposition that no one is talking about how beautiful black women are is ridiculous. Us magazine isn’t talking about them, but Us isn’t everyone. Us magazine doesn’t talk about a LOT of people.

    Personally, I insert Regina King into random conversation all the time because the woman melts my butter. Maybe it’s not furthering the national discourse, but that woman is smokin’ so I do what I like.

  100. Aspen says:

    QUOTE: We female Americans need to take a trip to places for example like Afghanistan where women are not allowed to leave their houses without a man, have to hide to go to school & most women there cannot read.

    ———————

    They can now, and there are men and women over there in rotating shifts to keep it that way. Three died last week doing just that, and my next door neighbor just got home from disarming bombs so they can actually go to school…on the road.

    So.

    I’m sorry, but the people I live with and the mission they are on gets ZERO coverage or appreciation at home, so I had to put this in. You wanna talk about unfair distribution of coverage, Hash?

    How about a press interested in whether or not Angelina and Brad got in a fight in Cannes while American men and women spend every day keeping Afghanistan safe with absolutely NO coverage?

  101. Christina X says:

    Ursula, have you ever read her book “The Beauty Myth”? Everything she lauds Angelina Jolie for in this article she criticizes in her book!

    Sadly, I enjoyed her book “The Beauty Myth”, and now she disappoints me with this…garbage. She either must have multiple personalities or this must be a cruel trick. I’d like to believe no-one’s such a flaming hypocrite.

  102. Codzilla says:

    Christina X: I’ve read the book, too, and agree that it makes this article seem all the more vile.

  103. HashBrowns says:

    @Aspen: “Exotic” features? I’m from Los Angeles and have her features and I would NOT call L.A. “exotic”. Brown people, and their features, are no longer aspects of a white person’s flight of fancy.

    The point I was trying to make (which you seem to have missed entirely) is that the features she has may be odd on a white person, but are entirely normal on a black person. But the fact that they are on a white person means they are somehow “exotic” and interesting but when they are on a black person it’s just “oh, yea, a black person”.

    And about the news coverage of the wars as opposed to Brangelina: shouldn’t you be complaining to the news networks and not a private elementary school teacher about that?

    I tend to believe that there is a time and a place for everything and there is a time and a place for celebrity gossip in our country aka on the covers of celebrity gossip rags. If celebrity gossip magazines reported on the wars, they would cease to be what they are.

  104. Christina X says:

    Oh! How did I miss this gem by Iris?

    Uh, yeah, most women would not like having their husbands leave them for another woman. I like the way you phrased that so mockingly as though you’re so above your man leaving you. Whether Brad Pitt left Jennifer Aniston for Angelina Jolie or not, I found that comment to be one of the most insensitive and obscene ones made on this thread.

  105. MAMBO says:

    Lee: Get a real life….so the girl made a typo; what, you get off on reaming her over a typo, big boy?! She’s still right, Jolie is certainly not worth all this credit that Wolf is giving her….why doesn’t she take her on a date already and get it over with.. ha

  106. Codzilla says:

    74 and 77 are identical posts, yet one is attributed to Chicamorena, and the other to Cheyenne. Which means “they” are likely one person posting under multiple names.

  107. Anne says:

    Naomi whatever owes all right thinking individuals an apology for this drivel. I have never read anything so nonsensical.

    Cheyenne must be all those Brangeloonies on this site. I wonder why she does not get banned.

  108. camila says:

    Anyone who wants to be anyone but themselves has issues.
    *****************************************************

    Now there is some wisdom!!! Well said.

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