Thomas Beatie, “pregnant man,” delivers second child

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Thomas Beatie, 36, is the highest profile transgender person to give birth. Beatie was born a woman, but eventually made the transition to have himself legally declared a man. He took male hormones and underwent surgery to remove his breasts, but retained his womb. Beatie and his wife Nancy (who is legally his wife in Oregon, as he is legally male) wanted to have a child, but Nancy had to have a hysterectomy due to endometriosis and it was not an option for her to carry their child. They made the decision for Beatie to get pregnant through artificial insemination, and he gave birth to their first child, a little girl named Susan Juliette, last June. Nancy, 47, breastfed the baby after inducing lactation through hormones.

beatieinsetThe Beaties drew criticism last year for their decision to go public with their pregnancy. They went on Oprah, posed for pictures when pregnant and with their newborn, and granted interviews to other high profile media outlets like 20/20. Some said they were drawing unnecessary attention to themselves in an attempt to capitalize on their situation. Others applauded their decision and said they had little choice but to go public with Thomas’ pregnancy. There’s a lot of controversy around their decision and they could either try to hide it and deal with the consequences or open themselves up and hope that enough people would understand.

I saw them on Oprah and came away with the impression that they were loving people who would make excellent parents. Going public seemed like the best option for them considering their circumstances. Two of their neighbors were on Oprah and said they had no idea that Thomas was physically female until learning that he was expecting.

Thomas got pregnant again, and last November we learned that he was expecting. This time around Thomas and Nancy didn’t do the press rounds after announcing the pregnancy and we didn’t hear much about them. Earlier this week, Thomas gave birth to their second child, a boy whose name has yet to be announced:

Thomas Beatie, the controversial “pregnant man,” gave birth to his second child, a healthy baby boy, early this morning, “20/20” has learned.

Sources close to the couple say that it was a “natural childbirth” and that they have not yet decided on the boy’s name. Beatie’s wife, Nancy, will be breastfeeding their son, as she did with their daughter, Susan Juliette, who was born last June.

Photos of a bearded Beatie with a pregnant belly caused a sensation last year, leading to headlines about the world’s first “pregnant man.”

Born a woman named Tracy, Thomas Beatie, now 35, had sex-reassignment surgery and legally changed his gender from female to male in Hawaii.

Beatie, who kept his female reproductive organs, says that he decided to bear children, when his wife Nancy, 46, was not able to.

The couple described their unusual path to parenthood in an exclusive interview with Barbara Walters last year, during which they revealed that Thomas was expecting a second child.

[From ABCNews.com]

Thomas explained to Oprah last year that the desire to have a child is not based on gender. “I feel it’s not a male or female desire to want to have a child, it’s a human desire. I’m a person and I have the right to have my own biological child.” Beatie and his wife have a book out that was published late last year called Labor of Love: The Story of One Man’s Extraordinary Pregnancy. The reviews on Amazon are overwhelmingly positive.

Congratulations to Thomas and Nancy on their new arrival.

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  1. barneslr says:

    I do wish they would quit calling her a “pregnant man.” She is a woman, regardless of the hormones she takes. She is still female, as evidenced by the fact that she keeps getting pregnant!

    Show me a man who was born male that gets pregnant…then I’ll be impressed. Or at least after she has surgery to make herself male-let’s see her get pregnant then.

    Until then, there is just nothing unusual about a woman becoming pregnant and giving birth.

  2. viper says:

    Barf.

    She’s not a man if she’s got a urterus and overies PERIOD.

  3. Not Impressed says:

    that’s not a man. that’s a freak.

  4. georgiagrl says:

    All I know is that is one CUTE baby!!!!

  5. Nony says:

    Wait, so having a uterus and ovaries make a person female? What about the women that had to have them removed? Are they no longer female?

    This case always bring out the narrowminded people. Just accept that there are people who fall in the grey zone between male and female. Stop trying to push people to either side.

  6. Annie says:

    um can they quit? i have no problem w/ a lesbian couple having children, i don’t care if two men have children but make up your damn mind! She’s a pre op tranny, simple as that! Guess what you have a vagina! You delivered that baby naturally, you’re a chick! Just cuz you’re on hormones and they took your breasts doesn’t make you a man, sadly any woman with an A-cup can tell you that. Buy a penis and we’ll talk.

  7. embertine says:

    These comments are disgusting. Maybe you’ve never known a transgender person, but you sound like ignorant rednecks.

    Gender identity is a fundamental part of someone’s self-image. If their brain is telling them they are male, it doesn’t matter how many X chromosomes they have. You people need to read up on the subject and stop talking about things you don’t understand.

  8. maraccas says:

    “I have the right to have my own biological child.”

    Kids are a priviledge, not a “right”.

  9. Roma says:

    I’m absolutely shocked by these comments. It is sad to me that people still don’t try to tolerate and understand others.

    This is why I rarely comment on CB; I find a lot of the commentators to be exceptionally vicious.

  10. Tia says:

    Nowadays there are so many two mommy and two daddy homes that are awesome and healthy. Being gay is def not an issue, but I hate to be mean but this is just not cool.

  11. michelle says:

    Nony, Embertine, and Roma I understand what you are saying, and Thomas has everyright to identify with being a man and being pregnant, but he is anatomically a female. Thomas having a baby is not nearly as miraculous as a man who was born a man having a baby. I think that is the point everyone is trying to make. He gets press for being a pregnant man, when the truth is he was born with a functioning vagina, which he still has, which truly makes him a pregnant female who identifies as a man. That is fine by me, I like Thomas, but as I said it is just not the same as someone who was born with a penis and testes having a baby.

  12. bros says:

    I dont know where you get off defining kids as privilege vs. right, maraccas. show me where that is written again? i thikn that applies to driving a car, but it certainly doesnt apply to having children, otherwise there would be laws about who can have kids and certain criteria to be met, which there are not, and which you owuld know if you weren’t busy spouting pithy nothings. the rest of the comments here are overwhelmingly judgmental and narrow minded, as another poster said. there is no manual or rulebook for transgendered people, meaning he has every right to decide which parts of his body stay and which parts of his body go or are changed to something else. he is not required to “buy a penis” or get rid of his womb in order to satisfy the crowd of conservative normative whiners. they are living their lives as peaceful, loving people, and should be commended for finding their own path to love and family. in a world where war and terrorism is rampant, people are murdered in their homes, 11 year olds are raped, etc., we should be thankful that all aberrations are not violent and destructive.

  13. Ling says:

    I found all the publicity they got rather distasteful, purely because many couples had chosen that same route without the head-turning Oprah exposure. Why are these people entitled to a free diaper genie, or whatever else they managed to snag?

    I think it goes to show the increased tolerance in our society that when people (at least, the people I associate with) heard the phrase “Pregnant Man”, they thought of Arnold Schwarzenegger in “Expecting” and went HOWWWW? But when they found out he still had female reproductive organs, they shrugged and forgot all about it. Nothing to see here.

  14. bros says:

    michelle,

    anatomy doesnt equal gender. have you not ever read anything by Judith Butler, such as Gender Trouble? I suggest everyone getting pissy about categories and uterus function pick it up. or Luce Irigaray. anything to further educate about gender construction.

  15. nick says:

    This person is still a woman. The one thing a woman can do that a man cannot is the one thing this person has held on to.

    I’m not saying a woman who has these parts removed is now a man, I’m saying a woman who goes out of her way to change her physical appearance to be a man, but retains her internal organs specifically so she can go through a process that only a woman can is just playing dress up.

  16. michelle says:

    bros,

    Generally I like you and your comments, but in this case you may need to reread my comment. I am not advocating people to judge Thomas. I am not saying that he should/should not have a child or a penis or a womb. I am saying that Thomas giving birth is not as miraculous as someone born with a penis and balls giving birth would be. And it’s not.

  17. michelle says:

    Also, no I haven’t read anything by those authors. I am not a big reader, and always have a textbook to put my nose into. I watched the last season of Real World with Katelyn on it and got to see and understand a little more about a transgender person. As I said Thomas has everyright to identify as a man, but truth be told, and you can’t argue it, he is anatomically female. I am not saying he IS female, but he IS ANATOMICALLY female having a uterus, cervix, vagina, fallopian tubes, and ovaries. He is a man in his heart and mind, and he has every right. I will keep saying him, because I respect his decision.

  18. Cinderella says:

    Physically, Thomas is a woman. Mentally, Thomas is a man. Thomas is basically hovering between the two sexes. Do we consider Thomas transgender/neutral?

    I really need to read up on this stuff because it is confusing.

    Regardless, I wish the couple well.

  19. bros says:

    michelle, I dont think anyone is claiming this is miraculous, just notable, because of the fact that he lives life as a man and considers himself a man. no one is claiming that a man born a man with a penis gave birth. secondly, I would suggest, if you are at all interested on educating yourself on gender identity, construction, and performance, to not watch the real world, but to get an academic text, with research behind it. Gender Trouble is considered one of the best texts on this and it is a wonderful, pretty easy read, and very engaging.

  20. Kolby says:

    Congratulations to them – we should all be so lucky to live in a stable, loving relationship, and to be blessed with two beautiful children.

  21. michelle says:

    Bros, I will agree it is notable. I like Thomas, as I said, and I have really thought his story is interesting. I find it a little misleading that it has been repeated over and over “The pregnant man.” I think that is what people are sick of. I don’t mind it but others seem to. I will look into that book too. The whole subject seems interesting.

  22. the original kate says:

    “female” and “male” are the anatomical terms, while “woman” and “man” are gender constructs. so while he may be a man mentally, anatomically he is still a female. he does indeed fall into a grey area, which is why i find it odd he is known as the pregnant man. he really should be known as “the pregnant person of indeterminate gender.” having said that – congrats on a healthy baby.

  23. Mahalia says:

    I have learned alot from reading these comments – they cover the spectrum of this situation. As long as these children have a loving stable family that is cool. At least there is a two parent family who seem to get along. I feel bad for Octomom’s kids, who don’t have a father and have a crazy freak for a mother; same with Jon&Kate’s poor little ones who are in high chairs at 5 years old and have to be around a hateful “mother”.

  24. Tess says:

    @ Original Kate

    I quite agree with you. Words have meanings that are not necessarily the same or interchangable.

  25. bros says:

    It is not thomas who keeps referring to himself that way. its a media moniker, and one he had no say in as it applied to him, so I think we should stop blaming them for the media’s in ability to come up with a more descriptive nickname that accurately captures the complexity of their situation.

  26. Some GUy says:

    ” If their brain is telling them they are male, it doesn’t matter how many X chromosomes they have.”

    If my brain is telling me that I’m Napoleon, it doesn’t matter how many times I dress up like him and swear in french,

    I’m still not Napoleon.

  27. Aspen says:

    He is just using what he had left of his female body to help him and his wife have children. I don’t see any problem with that.

    I object to their subjecting their children to the publicity and cruelty they’re going to get in school and in public as they grow up, which could’ve been avoided if the couple had been satisfied with discretion, but I hardly count some magazine articles and a couple of visits with Oprah in the “therapy for life” category.

    I find him aberrant (in the pure sense of the word…not an insult) in an uncomfortable sort of way. Like many gender and orientation issues, I don’t really know how I feel about it because it’s foreign to me. What I know is that he and his wife seem like nice people, and when nice people rear children with love and dedication, that makes me smile.

    So…that’s how I see this.

  28. Aspen says:

    Okay…ha ha ha…Some Guy:

    your comment made me think of the line in Working Girl where Joan Cusack’s character says, “Sometimes, I like to dance around in my underwear. Doesn’t make me Madonna.”

    I have to go watch that movie, now.

  29. Gigohead says:

    I agree with everyone who says, she is really a she regardless is she has legally changed herself to a he. If she has the plumbing, then she is a she.

    Also, I have NEVER heard of taking hormones to lacate! That’s insane! I would never phantom the thought of doing something like that. Wouldn’t hormones cause chaos to the body and even cause cancer?

    These are a strange pair of women. Really really confused pair of women.

  30. emmystarr says:

    This is completely pathetic and disgusting. They will have the most screwed up kids and it will all be thanks to their “parents”. This is not a “pregnant man” and the fact that the media keeps playing it up that way is just proof of how twisted this world really is.

  31. cara says:

    WOW! I came here to read the comments on this one and must say I am surprised. Last time people were pretty much cheering this attention whore, but it seems her charade is over. I am pleasantly surprised. Now, I will wait for the Obama sheen to wear off as well. It’ll come.

  32. bros says:

    gigohead, hormones are used quite frequently to stimulate milkproduction for women who are underproducing or for women who have adopted to be able to breastfeed. synthetic prolactin is used, as well as Reglan, which is a drug that has the side effect of stimulating milk production. Just because you are uneducated on the topic doesnt make it INSANE and it is quite common and im not sure why you would assume it causes cancer. A friend of mine who had a hysterectomy and had a baby using a surrogate used Reglan to stimulate milk production so that she could nurse her baby. its not a big deal.

  33. cakes says:

    I can only imagine how difficult it must be to have gender issues and I do sympathize.
    But THIS SITUATION is very strange. She wanted to be a man to the point she took steps to been seen legally and physically identified as a male. Then he makes a maternal decision to carry and give birth to a baby. I say maternal because I have never met a man who has said “I want to give birth to baby” but he’s still a man. I’m very confused. Plus think about all the hormones that baby is injesting from the wifes milk? What are the hormones doing to his body? Is anyone thinking about anyone or anything other than themselves?
    I just don’t understand this at all. I’m not meaning to be judgemental but this whole scenario is just……odd.

  34. Annie says:

    Ahh!

    That Annie is not me! P.S.

    Also, I agree with bros about his statement: anatomy doesnt equal gender. have you not ever read anything by Judith Butler, such as Gender Trouble?

    Thomas is whomever he wishes to be. And frankly, what’s it matter what we refer to him is? It doesn’t change his essence or his good heart or the simple fact that he and his wife just want to have a full family.

  35. Annie says:

    (the first annie that posted)
    i don’t think the issue at hand here is gender identity but physical gender. nothing wrong w/ having kids, but don’t make a quick buck off of an awkward situation. I wouldn’t be so pissed off if they weren’t making it worse for the rest of the transgender community.

    (anybody actually wanna bitch? go to dlisted.com, apparently celebitchy readers are a little too sensitve)

  36. bros says:

    the original annie: i was hoping that wasnt you! 🙂

  37. dew says:

    I forget which talk show I saw a “person” that started off as a male, then had operations and other stuff to become female. Then they had the surgery and other stuff reversed to become male again, and the reason they were on the show was that they were considering switching back to female yet again!

    I don’t follow all “gender issues”, but I don’t totally believe that *all* gay/bi’s were born that way. But for someone to go through hormones and surgery to switch genders, I’m believing they probably were born that way. I can’t begin to imagine how stressful it must be to feel one gender, but be in another gender’s body.

    Well anyway, men (born males) have been stimulated to lactate to a certain degree, so I’m thinking we’ll probably see at least one man (born male) carry and give birth eventually. I’m sure there’ll be a firestorm with that, but if a man I was married to wanted to have my baby, I’d sure as heck let him.

    I’m very rambley today LOL

  38. Annie says:

    Thanks Bros.

    I’m not gonna lie, I know what I posted and now I’m getting confused a little too. HAHA.

  39. Jen says:

    Wow. There are a lot of angry, ignorant, and hateful comments on this post. Just…wow.

    With regard to the hormones affecting baby (I think @cake and @Gigohead): In order for Thomas to be able to ovulate and have a menstrual cycle, he had to stop taking all male hormones (testosterone). Not only did he start ovulating/menstruating, but he also stated that the texture of his hair, quantity of facial hair, pitch of his voice, and his muscle mass all started to revert back to his pre-operative state. At the time of pregnancy, then, his testosterone levels were back to the level typically found in females, and as such, wouldn’t hurt the baby.

    As for the mom taking hormones to lactate, this is very typical, especially in adoption cases. The hormone injected artificially induces the body’s natural lactation response, exactly mimicing the natural release of hormones that induce lactation in post-natal birth mothers. Again, no harm to baby.

    There is extensive research that breastfeeding is exceptional for mother-child bonding, and for many adoptive mothers, the option of breastfeeding their adopted baby helps to solidify that bond. It helps mama and baby connect and realize they belong to each other. As far as breastfeeding someone else’s baby, you guys might want to research wet-nurses…it’s been done for thousands and thousands of years. It’s not gross. It’s love.

    Finally, @dew, there was zero need to put the word person in quotation marks. Regardless of whether you understand what it means to be transgendered, or whether you think Thomas is a man or a woman, one thing is indisputable: he IS a person. And as a fellow human being sharing this miserable planet with him, maybe we should be a little less judgmental and a little more supportive.

    /rant

  40. orion70 says:

    ok, I get that there are a helluva lot of grey areas when it comes to sex, but dare I ask what this couple will do when they’re done having kids? Does he then go all the way with the surgery ?

    Sorry for the confusion, but i haven’t followed this story from the get-go…. i’m not sure if he has the “bits” or both, or not. The ABC news story says he’s had gender reassignment surgery, whereas CB says he just had his breasts removed.

  41. Poster says:

    @ bros – your postings seem a little angry and defensive.

    I think what “maraccas” was trying to say is having a child is a “Blessing” not a “Right”.

    As a mom myself having my daughter was a blessing, I have never view my being a parent as a right. My husband and I never thought well lets have a baby because it is our right. We thought lets have a baby because we have lots of love to share and a baby brings such joy, meaning, and purpose to life.

    I completely understand what Thomas was trying to say when he made the comment but I do not agree with it. I think when we make it about rights it becomes a case of well do you really want the baby or do you just want the baby because that’s your right; because you can. A crack head can have a child it doesn’t mean she should. No I am not comparing Thomas to a crack head – I am just trying to get my point across.

    I think everyone has the right to have kids, we all have the right to do as we please but it does not mean we should. I am in no way saying that Thomas should not have kids, he obviously loves his family there is no doubt about that.

    At the same time some part of me wonders how he is going to answer the question “where did I come from?” Because when those babies get to a certain age they will ask, as every child does. It is difficult enough explaining the process to kids who grow up in homes with parents that are straight; I cannot imagine how difficult it will be in their household. “Well honey I am your father but I gave birth to you not mommy” I think that may bring a certain level of confusion to the child.

    Having a baby/becoming a parent is such a huge thing – you have to be very unselfish to be a parent. You have to put your wants/desires on the back burner.

  42. cakes says:

    Jen- thank you for clarifying about the hormones. I can’t help but think that this can’t be good for Thomas. Pregnancy and child birth are straining enough on a womans body. Then to start synthetic testosterone therapies or supplements or whatever can’t be healthy.
    Poster- that was very well put and I agree with you 100%.

  43. dayum says:

    “thomas” has 2 XX chromosomes. therefore a WO-man. even though this woman has a BEARD, it doesn’t make her a “man.” it’s called HIRSUTISM. google it.

    doc’s referring to thomas as a “man” is just feeding thomas’ own delusions. “lets get Him into the delivery room, His cervix is dilated 10cm.” right…

  44. Bros says:

    poster, you said yourself you think its everyone’s right to have a baby if they want to and if they can, no matter the means, as evidenced by the modern world. why wouldnt I be angry and defensive at the inane and bigoted and ignorant comments on here about this family. if anyone tried to tell you you didnt have the “right” to have your “blessing” you would be annoyed. the point i was making was that having children is not a privilege, meaning no one can take that right away from another human-its a fundamental part of being human. we dont make people take tests, we dont make it illegal for drug addicts to get pregnant, we dont stop people on welfare with 9 other kids from having another, we dont make it illegal for women in jail to get pregnant. there are literally no restrictions on getting pregnant. therefore, its as inalienable as most rights get. (the right to be a parent is another issue, as child protective services evidences-those rights have restrictions).

    i also think you underestimate a childs capacity to understand. everything is complicated to a child when learning where babies come from or whatever. there is no reason to think explaining how these children got there is any more confusing as explaining other more nuanced topics to a child. this is not something ‘beyond comprehension’ or permanently confusing to a child, just as children in same-sex households come to have an understanding of why they have two mommies or two daddies. there is infinite capacity to understand-having the normative or default household situation is not the only understandable and non-confusion inducing way.

  45. Annie says:

    And I don’t think that “The child will be confused” is a valid argument at all!

    He’s confused in what sense? Because he doesn’t see the world based on these socially constructed “norms”? Because the child views his/her world in a different light? God forbid there be anyone who strays from what society tells them to think about the family dynamic. It’s like those who say growing up with two daddies is confusing, or two mommies or one mommy or one daddy. It’s the same ignorant argument used to justify H8.

    And are you saying that because they wanted to have children, they’re selfish? But yet you yourself have a child? Does that make you selfish?

    And you know, frankly, it’s their right to want to live their lives however they please so long as it’s not physically harming another person. They’re not cultists or murderers. They just want a family and for all these people to turn around and call it wrong and selfish….it sickens me and just shows how far we haven’t come as a society/world.

  46. Eden says:

    Wow! So, this MAN actually pushed a baby out of his penis, that’s amazing! Oh, wait was this a vaginal birth or c-section from a uterus? Uterus = woman OR vaginal birth = woman.

    I guess if Oprah and Barbara say SHE is a MAN, then she MUST be a MAN. I guess I haven’t been drinking my media kool-aid.

    What a load of BS!

  47. Ana says:

    I must’ve read an article from last year incorrectly because I thought he already had surgery to have a penis and such. I guess I didn’t give it much thought.

    As for is the “Man or Woman” argument, he is what he wants to be and lives his life how he wants to. There will always be people that disagree or define such matters differently.

    I think they handled the media well actually. They came out, told their side of the story and then retreated. With the second pregnancy there wasn’t much attention and I think that was the plan. They’re not media hungry like Octomom (while giving numerous interviews stating she didn’t want to be in the spotlight.) They knew there would be attention so they handled it the best they could.
    I wondered about the hormones and breastfeeding myself. I thought that since they were synthetic it would be harmful to the mother and baby.
    Kind of like women taking hormones for menopauses…haven’t all or most of them been known to cause cancer? I was confused. I went to the clinic to see if there was something I could take to increase my milk supply. I was told there was not anything I could take and dried up after 4 months. Maybe if I had insurance and went to the doctor I could’ve gotten prescribed something.
    Has there been any long term studies on the effects and such?

  48. abu says:

    ALLAH WILL DO WHAT HE WANT,KNOW ONE CAN CHANGE HIS AIME

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