They’re already trying to burn Greta Gerwig & her Oscar campaign’s barely started

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One of the great things about the ongoing, years-long conversation about pay equity and increasing the number of women behind the camera in Hollywood is that sometimes, that sh-t pays off. Greta Gerwig has directed her first film (her first as sole director) at the age of 34, and the film is already being talked about for a major Oscar campaign. The film? Lady Bird, starring Saoirse Ronan and Laurie Metcalf. Here’s the trailer:

This looks so good! And it just shows that there’s still a market for these smaller, female-driven films. This is just a simple, flat-out coming-of-age story about how difficult and frustrating and funny it is to be a teenage girl in this world. The film’s release date is already being pulled up because everyone wants this film to have a major Oscar campaign push. I suspect a lot of money will go into a campaign for Saoirse for Best Actress, and possibly for Greta for Best Director, or just Best Picture. One of the ways you can tell that Greta is on people’s radars? This nasty Page Six item, which was dropped to remind Oscar voters that Greta is “anti-Israel.”

As Greta Gerwig gathers Oscar buzz for her directorial debut, “Lady Bird,” journalists are being told not to ask the actress about her recent opposition to Lincoln Center’s performances of a play co-produced by two Israeli theater companies and backed by the Israeli government. A Hollywood source told Page Six, “At the Toronto and Telluride[, Colo.] film fests, journalists were banned from asking Gerwig about her opposition to an Israeli-backed play at Lincoln Center. There is an Oscar campaign afoot for Gerwig, and her team doesn’t want her controversial anti-Israel opinions hurting her chances.” But Gerwig’s rep insisted, “This is not true at all.”

In July, Gerwig was among more than 60 artists who signed a letter calling on Lincoln Center to cancel performances of “To the End of the Land,” presented “with support of Israel’s Office of Cultural Affairs in North America.” The letter was organized by Adalah-NY, which calls for the boycott of Israel over its treatment of Palestinians.

“It is deeply troubling that Lincoln Center, one of the world’s leading cultural institutions, is helping the Israeli government to implement its systematic ‘Brand Israel’ strategy of employing arts and culture to divert attention from the state’s decades of violent colonization, brutal military occupation and denial of basic rights to the Palestinian people,” the letter read.

Debora Spar, president of Lincoln Center, rejected the calls for the play’s cancellation, as did many top Hollywood execs. CAA’s Adam Berkowitz, WME’s Rick Rosen and Ben Silverman were among those who signed a letter supporting Lincoln Center’s decision.

“Selectively silencing art is dangerous,” said the letter signed by nearly 50 execs.

[From Page Six]

This is just a reminder, folks. If you’re a woman who once expressed an opinion about one of the most controversial global issues today, you will face some very pointed backlash if you try to succeed. Meanwhile, Woody Allen won his fourth Oscar in 2012, Roman Polanski won an Oscar in 2003, and Casey Bloody Affleck won an Oscar this year. But they all have penises, so they’re allowed to have their histories whitewashed in service of an Oscar campaign. But Greta Gerwig once signed a letter criticizing Israel’s PR campaign! BURN HER.

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  1. Whoopsy Daisy says:

    Judging by the trailer I feel like I’ve seen this movie 10 times so far. These indie coming of age stories about special snowflake teenagers come out every year.
    But, it’s a film about women directed by a woman so I hope it does well.

    • Kata says:

      The trailer isn’t doing much for me. It looks quite cliche.

    • Tanguerita says:

      ditto.

    • lee-sun-ah says:

      So true. It seems like it’s in every actor-to-director handbook that they have to direct a coming of age drama about a precocious or rebellious or “unique” teen. It doesn’t help that the hulking majority of these films have very similar white protagonists. Jonah Hill and Paul Dano are also coming out with coming of age debuts next year, not to mention the countless other directors that also do this. It’s just dull. That’s why I’ll always appreciate a directorial debut that’s a bit different, such as Get Out.

      • Kate28 says:

        Sorry, but you haven’t seen the film so how would you know. If you read the reviews you’ll find its more than just a ”coming-of-age” story.

      • lee-sun-ah says:

        Oh Kate28 I’m entitled to an opinion that differs from yours. I’ve seen the uninspiring (to me) trailer and have no interest in reading reviews of a film that didn’t catch my interest when there are so many other films that do interest me or pique my curiosity. Life is short so I prioritize. I’ll probably catch it one day on TV. You’ll find life less vexing when you accept that different people like and are interested in different things, not just the things Kate28 likes or is interested in.

      • Kate28 says:

        Cheer up @lee-sun-ah. Life’s only short if you make it. : )

      • lee-sun-ah says:

        Thanks Kate28! It’s still too short for this movie! xxx

    • Malibu Stacy says:

      Thank you! Greta just bugs me in general. Too hipster and twee for me.

    • Kate28 says:

      Lady Bird is more than that. And yes, it’s gonna do really well.

    • nic919 says:

      I saw it at TIFF and it is one of the top films I saw there (of the 20 I saw). It really is good. It’s the film that Edge of Seventeen wanted to be but much better. The relationship between Saorise Ronan and Laurie Metcalf (who plays her mother) is complex and very true to life. I saw elements of my own relationship with my mother back at that time. This is the kind of film that women in particular need to support because it is real.
      It is also set in 2002, so it isn’t hipster or twee at all.

  2. GiB says:

    C’mon, Kaiser. Don’t be hysterical. All Polanski did was drug, rape, and sodomize a child, then flee justice.
    Greta SIGNED A LETTER. We cannot let truly bad people go unpunished.

  3. Lola says:

    Personally I don’t think the problem is that she has an opinion. More people need one. It’s that she’s banning questions about her opinion. Frankly, journalists should also be questioning Woody Allen, Casey Affleck and Roman Polanski too. And not just them. Too many other actors don’t want to answer divisive questions.

    • JC says:

      Yes. Yes. And yes. Most people aren’t interested in an artist going public with opinions about anything, except their work. It kind of dilutes the experience of their work to know too much about other issues. Of course they are free to opine on any subject, but they have to know that there may be consequences and push back. That’s how it works, it’s a two-way street.

    • INeedANap says:

      This is one of those times where I am willing to separate the art from the artist, largely because her “crime” is so minimal. And we only have the word of Page Six that she (specifically she, not a misguided PR person) is banning questions. And hey, if journalists are willing to not talk to Casey Affleck about sexual assault, what’s the diff?

  4. Fa says:

    Hollywood and critics is dominated by men, in that land men get away with anything.

  5. Ally says:

    She’s fantastic. An old-school star – always acting in her distinctive style but always smart and interesting.

  6. Skylark says:

    I don’t know anything about her but I have immediate respect for her for signing that letter.

    The trailer looks interesting,

  7. Nicole says:

    I have to do more research on the letter itself. One thing I refuse to do is let women skate because they are women. However I agree with the rest the hypocrisy is astounding.

    • KB says:

      Regardless of what the letter said, it was a letter. The men got passes for child molestation, rape, and sexual harassment.

  8. Originaltessa says:

    Movie looks fantastic, but isn’t Saiorse nearing 30 by now? She’s so wonderful I get the need to have a competent actress, but that’s some TV teen soap level age casting.

    • Originaltessa says:

      ETA- Never mind. Just googled and she’s only 23…

    • Cassie 231 says:

      Saoirse is only in her early twenties!

      The constant backlash against women speaking their mind is depressing. Last week it was Breitbart targeting Jennifer Lawrence; this week it’s obviously open season on Greta Gerwig. It disgusts me.

    • Kata says:

      She’s 23, but looks younger?

      • Originaltessa says:

        She looks 23 I suppose. I guess she’s just been around for so long doing such high level work, I assumed she was older. They’ve also aged her up so often in films I guess I lost track of how old she actually is.

      • Kate says:

        I can’t think of any film she’s been aged up for? In everything I’ve seen she’s always played her age or thereabouts.

    • Mia4s says:

      She’s only 23! 😁

      I guess it’s a credit to how mature and interesting her roles have been that you age her 7 years.

      I’m not ready to call double standards yet, unless her awards chances are actually harmed. If she becomes a favourite for nominations and doesn’t get them? Then we will have solid evidence. Oscar is all about smear campaigning, that’s nothing new.

    • sunny says:

      Saw Lady Bird at TIFF this year and it was definitely one of my favs of the festival. It was really touching, smart, funny, honest. I thought she did a great job of really capturing how messy, awkward, and wonderful it is to be a teenage girl. Also the cast is really good between Soarsie and Timothee Chalamat who is just about to break out.

      Not surprised by the criticism of her signing the letter but forever surprised that female artists are subject to a level of scrutiny and criticism that their male counterpoints rarely experience. I hope this doesn’t ruin her chance at a directing nod.

    • Maggie says:

      Why does her chronological age matter? Surely it is the age you look physically in HD that matters.

  9. Lucy2 says:

    The movie looks very good, and those are two stellar actresses she has in it.

  10. Ms.M says:

    GG is anti-Israel. She signed a letter calling to cancel any performances of an Israeli production. She did not call to cancel the performances of any other country. There are plenty of very real and very horrific international situations but G.G. ignores their productions . She focuses on the only democracy in the middle East where an Israeli Arab can be elected to the Israeli parliament and members of the LGBT community can live with full rights-( not possible in the rest of the region).I could go on with further examples…. I am so done with the outright anti-Israel and antisemitic rants your writers go on, with blatant lies that prey on the uninformed minds here. My advise to your readers: get your news from multiple outlets. Or better yet, visit Israel, Gaza and the West Bank and see for yourself.

    • Margo S. says:

      Girl, just because you are against the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, does NOT mean you are anti semetic. Plenty of Israelis are appalled by the way their country is treating Palestinians. Does that make them anti-semetic? I don’t think it does. You obviously need to read some more diverse articles on the subject and not just one sided biased ones.

    • Saks says:

      And I am so done with your false narrative that because we don’t agree with Israel’s politics we’re antisemitic. No one is saying anything against Jews or the Israeli citizens, we critize the country’s policies and treatment against Palestinians. Stop spreading lies

  11. Brittney B. says:

    That letter wasn’t wrong, though. Clearly the propaganda campaign is working, judging from some of these comments. At least my Israeli-American friends fully acknowledge the apartheid & genocide, and work to support Palestinian causes…. not sure why it’s so difficult for others with MUCH less (if any) first-hand knowledge.

  12. Kate28 says:

    How can Gerwig be anti-semitic when her boyfriend is Jewish? Lady Bird was financed by Barry Diller, produced by Scott Rudin, stars Beanie Feldstein and Timothee Chalamet all Jews. The fact that this article was published by Page Six says a lot. None of the mainstream media will publish because they know it’s not true.

    • mayamae says:

      I have no comment on GG, but it’s not uncommon for whites married to blacks and with biracial children, to be racist. It boggles the mind, but it happens.

      • Kate28 says:

        What relevance does your comment have to this article?

      • Odette says:

        It seems to me that mayamae is pointing out that GG’s boyfriend being Jewish doesn’t automatically absolve GG from being antisemitic. She was drawing a comparison.

        (For the record, I don’t think GG is antisemetic. My husband is Jewish; he’s not antisemitic, but he isn’t thrilled with Israel either.)

      • mayamae says:

        Thank you, Odette, that’s exactly what I meant. I didn’t think my meaning was in any way oblique.

    • Kate28 says:

      May I also add that Gary Oldman publicly made a not-so-nice comment about Jews a few years ago whilst on a press tour. This year, he’s frontrunner to win an Oscar.

  13. Monsy says:

    Condemning the actions of the government of Israel and its treatment of palestines doesn’t mean you are antisemitic. Governments are not perfect, they make mistakes, they go to far.
    I wouldn’t be as dismissive as your are of people that doesn’t share your opinion, but I would suggest people to inform themselves on the current living conditions of palestines, the Israeli settlements and what happens to the palestines that were living there, and then think if those are acceptable terms to a human being to live in. A certain UN report report on war crimes comitted on the Gaza strip would also be helpful.

    • Kate28 says:

      Agree.

    • Kealeen says:

      Yup. Netanyahu and his party have taken the hardline stance of, “If you’re not 100% with us, you’re against us.” Unfortunately, it’s been remarkably effective. Nobody even remembers Yitzhak Rabin, or the work that cost him his life.

    • magnoliarose says:

      The UN is not a source of information about the conflict. They are heavily tilted to the Muslim countries in the region and block Israel from representing themselves, therefore, driving the initiatives.
      Do you know that Hamas, Egypt and their own government uses them as PR and ignores their suffering? When Israel tried to meet their demands they didn’t want it because their goal is to wipe Israel off the map.

      • diana says:

        Israel allows 2-4 hours of electricity in Gaza. I don’t need a UN report to tell me about the cruelty of the Israeli government.

  14. Tig says:

    I like her as an actress-really enjoyed her in Damsels in Distress and Mistress America.
    I will prob check this out if-and that’s a big if- it plays near me.

  15. Dimed says:

    Greta Gerwig is Lena Dunham 2.0 to me. But funnier.

  16. Adrien says:

    I’m amazed at Saorsie. She is always different. I wanna see Ladybird. I’m a fan of Gerwig eversince No Strings Attached. Some people would say ‘Frances Ha’ but I’m a hipster. Greta has a classic old Hollywood face. I enjoy her mumblecore movies.

  17. magnoliarose says:

    Here we go. It is a problem when she is urging the Lincoln Center to discourage art just because she doesn’t agree with the politics of a country.
    When they do the same to America and every country involved in injustice THEN, I will consider this not antisemitism but about global justice, until then that is what she is.

    Our history is full of injustice, and our president is a Nazi racist. We should get the same treatment for treating black Americans and Latinos like 2nd class citizens or for our failed nation building destroying the Middle East, Vietnam, and Cambodia. Why aren’t we sanctioned? We are partially responsible for the Khmer Rouge and backed it but no sanctions or humanitarian boycotts?

    Again, only Israel because IT IS THE WORST IN THE WORLD! Not countries with child brides and bride burning or honor killing. Not Turkey or Rwanda or the genocide that is happening to Rohingya refugees who are suffering right now.

    Bigotry is when a minority has to be better just to get equal judgment and fair treatment. When the bar is set higher only for one group, then it is bigotry. The heavily Muslim UN has been called out for their anti-Israel policies over and over again, but their declarations are never questioned but accepted as fact. The rest of the Middle East has an agenda, but the only democracy in the region where women are treated equally is the worst. Not Saudi Arabia where women can’t even drive a damn car.

    Not one Jewish person or Israeli would tell you that there aren’t problems and plenty don’t agree with the aggressive stance of the government. But why is this criterion only for Israel and not for all countries? Do you want to own 45 and be treated accordingly?

    If she feels so strongly, then she should answer questions. Don’t hide. OWN IT. She wants to deny artists a venue so she should speak up. When you put your name on something then it is yours.

    This isn’t about women. It is about antisemitism. “Brand Israel” No one has a problem with that?

    BTW How can any American with the state of our country even go there.

    • Maggie says:

      You’re jewish, aren’t you? Just wondering why you are referring to other jews when you could easily give your own opinion on the matter as a jew yourself but anyway….it’s not anti semitic to criticise israel.
      Israel knows a lot about racism. Forced sterilization of ethiopian women comes to mind, and their awful treatment of black people in general.
      Brand israel is a real thing. Greta didn’t make it up. It’s israel’s government who is responsible for the name.

      • Monica says:

        “Israel knows a lot about racism”
        You mean like every country on the planet?

      • Ms.M says:

        Why does it matter what is their religion? Jews cannot have an educated or unbiased opinion? Do you require religious affiliation for all opinions? Wow!

      • magnoliarose says:

        HA!
        You just proved my point.

      • magnoliarose says:

        Do you even realize the horrible thing that happened to Ethiopian women was Depo Provera shots given without full explanation or honoring the women’s wishes? NOT sterilization. NOT genocide. It was wrong, no doubt but it wasn’t what you said.
        Yes, there is racism but groups are working on it, and there is progress.
        Your accusation is also false because Israel performed missions to rescue black Jews from Africa and relocate them to Israel. If it was as you claimed why would they risk lives to save them?
        The lies and propaganda get repeated like you just did and that is dangerous and unfair.
        Again Israel has to be better on an issue that plagues the world and judged by a different standard.

      • Maggie says:

        When women can no longer get pregnant because of these shots, guess what? It is forced sterilization and that was the aim and it worked.
        The ghettos in israel filled with Africans who can not get work, who are ostracized from society, who are struggling and their homes get burned and kids getting attacked. You have no idea because you probably havent been there. You’re talking from a place of a privileged American reading cnn or whatever media of your choosing.
        Btw, it was a struggle getting the ethiopian jews to israel. Countless of protests with israelis shouting the n word, attacking their homes and in the street. It wasnt easy and im not sure it was worth it based on the treatment they’ve received.
        There are approximately 9,000 people still living in Ethiopia who were not allowed to immigrate to Israel because the Interior Ministry determined they were not Jewish. As if an ashkanazi jew can determine that. Ridiculous.

        Racism is everywhere, yes. But to say israel is judged harder is plain ridiculous. They are not. If anything they are excused and coddled.
        We pay billions in aid to israel. Finally israel gets some pushback and it’s”unfair”?. People are fed up with having to tiptoe around the obvious.
        Every country gets criticized. Even the muslim countries you keep bringing up to prove some weird point that doesnt make any sense. Muslim cointries do notnhave anymore power or privilege than anyone else.

    • CynicalAnn says:

      I’m with you.

    • Izzy says:

      THANK YOU. All this. So much atrocity in so many other countries, but of course it’s the Jewish state that is the worst, because they’re Jewish. I’m so sick of the hypocrisy. My heart broke when Rabin was shot. I think Netanyahu is a jerk. But as a Jew, I understand that my survival and the survival of my people is dependent on Israel’s survival – it is the only thing standing between us and another Holocaust, where someone tries to finish the job Hitler started. That is my firm belief, and everything the UN does, and all the anti-Semitism rising in this country, only confirms my belief.

      • magnoliarose says:

        I am becoming exhausted from trying to make this point. Be a humanitarian for the whole world, but when you focus only on Israel, you ARE behaving as if you are antisemitic.
        The UN is corrupt, but instead of actually researching the UN’s agenda it is accepted without asking questions. Kofi Annan acknowledged this problem.
        We were put there to escape antisemitism, and it became a refuge, but it is constantly attacked, yet they don’t seem to understand what the Palestinians in power do and how they shamefully treat the people.

        It is rising, and the silence about it is deafening.

      • JG says:

        Agree with so much of what you write, magnoliarose. You are obviously extremely knowledgeable about the region. Was just in Israel and it is a phenomenal country. Can’t wait to go back.

    • Saks says:

      Criticizing Israel’s POLITICS is not antisemitism. We know there’s serious injustice and suffering going on all over the world (hell, my own country is a damn mess), but what is your problem with people noticing Palestian suffering? Do they not deserved to be treated with dignity?

      PD. You know well the reason USA isn’t sanction for anything even when we, the rest of the world, are super critical and aware of their toxic international policies.

  18. Margo S. says:

    This makes me so mad. The Israeli/palistine conflict is a serious thing. I took time this year to really research the issues between both countries and it’s so sad. I don’t like the conflict, does that mean that I don’t like the Israeli people? Of course not! Half of Israel is against the treatment of Palestine! It’s just like the USA. Half are for and half are against. The fact that Hollywood tries to make that equate to anti semitism is terrible, and untrue. It’s about human rights.

    • magnoliarose says:

      You need to visit the region and do more research because there are fallacies in your post. No one has said it isn’t serious, but the hyper-focus on Israel alone IS antisemitism.

  19. JoJo says:

    Speaking solely about the film, I generally like Greta’s movies, and I’ll probably watch this one, but Saoirse’s Irish accent is coming through loud and clear at points in that trailer. I hate that. Nothing distracts me more in movies than when the accents are off. And then I have to kind of have to black mark the movie even if it was generally good. Just a personal quirk. 🙂

  20. lower case lois says:

    I might not agree with Greta’s views on Israel, but in a parallel universe she has at least an Best Actress Oscar. I hope in this world she will be recognized for her acting talent. To me she is queen of the Indie film industry.

  21. Horse Marine says:

    This looks nice, and I love Saoirse. I will go see this in the theater to support Greta Gerwing. I hope it does well.

  22. booradley says:

    I don’t know about all that, but I have loved Greta for years, Saoirse is my heart song (after Brooklyn I fell in love) and her American accent is on point, and Laurie Metcalf is a national treasure. This movie is right up my alley and I hope someone can turn this conversation on it head and put the focus on her work, and not this minor “controversy” because all these women deserve all the awards, always!!

  23. Mrs. Darcy says:

    Eh, I feel like I’m done with Saoirse playing teenagers, not her fault she was a child actress but it feels like she’s been doing these roles forever. By her age J.Law was playing hardened bipolar widows lol (I kid, I think these women do the best they can with the available roles but why can’t they ever just play their age?). Laurie Metcalf is amazing though and deserves a higher profile, saw her in a play in London a few yrs. ago and she is sooooo talented.

    • Maggie says:

      Maybe because they are actors and it’s their job to play different roles. If they were to only stick to their exact chronological age they wouldnt get much work. Funny no one says men should stick to their age appropriate roles. What’s his face timothy isnt even a teenager but plays one in several movies including this one.
      In the acting world it isnt about your real chronological age, it’s the age you look.
      As it should be.
      No wonder women, particularly actresses, have to lie about their age. There is this hyperfocus on womens ages for some reason.

  24. seesittellsit says:

    People are allowed to hold opinions – what I object to is the un-evenhanded application of “principles” of a great many celebrities. Somehow, no celebrities ever advocate for cancelling Chinese exhibitions, arts exchanges, film festivals, etc., over Tibet – a country that has basically been completely ethnically dismantled and Sino-ized through forced intermarriage with Chinese soldiers and workers, destruction of language and ancient temples, etc. I am not holding out a brief here for either one country or the other, but it does seem, sometimes, as if there is an obsession over one, while places like China, Saudi Arabia (more than 200 executions last year, mostly by the sword, and the UN puts them at the head of the Human Rights Council – really?! I mean, REALLY?!) . . . it just seems to me that one target is a bit easier and too many others are given a pass.

    If American artists were penalized for government actions that artists have no control over any more than any of the rest of us hapless citizens, our films wouldn’t be shown anywhere.

    I think there is room for protest, room for opinions, Israel is a particularly sticky issue because it only exists because of Europe’s millenia of persecution leading to the Holocaust, but really – actors aren’t the villains here, and why aren’t China’s arts penalized, too? But don’t hold your breath: everyone wants in to the Chinese film market, worth billions.

    • magnoliarose says:

      Exactly! Selective outrage is the problem. The outrage du jour but with so little research or actual information.

    • Maggie says:

      Do we give billions in aid to china and saudi arabia yearly? China and saudi Arabia gets their fair share of criticism. No one is immune but it’s disappointing that you have to deflect each and everytime israel gets criticized.

      • seesittellsit says:

        Actually, yes, we do. The Saudis, despite their human rights record, are a long-standing and deeply protected client-state of the US – despite the fact that 14 of the 19 9/11 attackers were Saudis. The Saudis also have a huge lobby in Washington. We have huge trade deals with China – every damned thing in Target and TJ Maxx is made in China. To this day, the State Department will not acknowledge that China’s annexation of Tibet, which doubled its land mass, and it subsequent strategy of dismantling Tibetan identity, was illegal and motivated strictly by a need for more land. Why do you think no one in the State Department will meet with the Dalai Lama?

        So, yes – billions are involved in our relationships with the Kingdom and with China. And, btw, last year the UK sold 60bn in arms to the Saudis, a move much criticized – the criticism was ignored, naturally.

        And the widespread harassment on many college campuses of Jewish students is also evidence of the very blurred lines between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism.

        Europe’s track record here is very, very, very bad. Anti-Semitism never quite disappears there, just goes dormant for awhile.

        I didn’t notice any cricitisms here when Jewish bakeries in Sarcelles were looted and burned by mobs of North African youth as they transferred their fury at Israel to French Jews.

        The problem is, guilt by association is indignantly (and rightly) condemned after each Islamist terror attack, but seems to be far more acceptable between Israel and Jews elsewhere, most of whom have never set foot in Israel and whose family roots in European countries go back hundreds of years.

        Before WWII and the birth of Israel, there were millions of Jews in Hungary. There are 90,000 today-and believe me, if there were 9, and the Danube overflowed tomorrow morning, they would come looking for those 9 Jews. I regret to say that my very dear, but typically bigoted Hungarian grandmother, was very clear on the subject. For an American teenager, her views were incomprehensible and troubling.

        No one wants to discuss the fact that Europe’s Jews occupy a hugely troubling place in European history, and if that history had not existed, neither would Israel. Israel is far from perfect and I do not agree with its policies, but I do get that there is historical context here.

        What was the excuse for the pogroms, forced baptisms, laws keeping Jews from occupying certain professions, exclusions from certain areas, and from universities before Israel existed?

        The problem is there are too many bona fide anti-Semites hiding behind the skirts of anti-Israel policies. That is what complicates the discussion.

        For which a gossip site isn’t the proper place, anyway.

      • JG says:

        Seesitellsit — Just brilliant all around. Thank you!

  25. seesittellsit says:

    Moving on from political stuff – I think Saoirse is a simply fantastic actress: her face and eyes are sort of transparent, you can see everything the character is feeling without her having to draw a red arrow next to it.

    If she were one jot more “classically” pretty (I think she is wonderful to look at, but I’m not a Hollywood director) I think she’d be a bigger star.

    They ran “Hanna” on one of the cable stations last year and I couldn’t believe how good she was as the isolated child assassin. It’s a fascinating movie, if anyone cares.

    I will definitely see this.

  26. makersmark says:

    I liked Greta – until I found out that when she was cast in Greenberg, which director Baumbach (her current boyfriend) co-wrote with his wife/longtime love Jennifer Jason Leigh, she had an affair with him on set. He dumped Leigh, the film came out to critical acclaim, Greta got a star boost afterwards because she was Baumbach’s muse and put her in a bunch of his films – and here we are.

    I sometimes wonder if she hadn’t crossed paths with Baumbach, if we’d be here. Also something annoys me to no end that people like Brit Marling Lena Dunham (and Greta) – it’s like their originality and creativity can only come in surrogate stories of their own. Ladybird is based on Greta growing up in Sacramento. Dunham, well, all of Girls. And Brit Marling is the star of every project she creates. There’s just such a huge white girl narcissism going on for these women who get behind the camera and get praise. Are they capable of any stories where the protagonist isn’t a surrogate them? I’m a young white girl myself and it drives me effing crazy.

    • Kate28 says:

      Not true

      • Miss M says:

        It is true!
        I remember seeing one of the videos on behind the scenes for the Greenbergs and GG was gushing about how amazing JJL. I was so shocked because I only saw that after knowing she was dating Noah…And during his director’s talk at NYFF (2012?) he mentioned his girlfriend without saying her name… Otherwise people would definitely connect he was talking about her

    • angie0717 says:

      All of this is true. We can’t fk each other’s husbands and boyfriends if we want to get ahead.

    • Miss M says:

      I wrote below before reading your comment. She definetely got a boost on her career.

    • Tata says:

      Ok, so GG had an affair. Don’t know anything about that so not touching that.

      However, Hemingway often wrote with himself as the protagonist (The Sun also Rises comes to mind, as do numerous short stories), and so did woody allen (ew, but he was lauded), Moonlight playwright and Academy Award Winner Tarell Alvin McCraney, Issa Rae of HBO show Insecure, Jerry Seinfeld, Larry David, etc. not sure why it is a problem to have a show/movie/book based on your life experience or showcasing your life, as it is not just white women doing it? Seems pretty common for a lot of writers/actors to be self-focused.

      • Miss M says:

        Not just an affair… JJL and Noah bad a son in March 2010. JJL filed for divorce in November of the same year.
        GG was 27 at the time going for a married man in his 40’s that had just become a father.

      • Tata says:

        @Miss M was mostly replying to makersmark..

        I don’t choose to blame GG as much as NB? He is the one who stepped out of his marriage, who had just become a father.

        What is up with internalized misogyny on this thread (oh those lame women who use their lives as fodder for books and film when dudes do it all the time; assumption that a younger woman “went” for a married man and sneakily lured him away from his wife, as opposed to dude having agency to make his own hurtful choices, and if it hadn’t been GG it would have been some other person). Would we say, if NB were bisexual, that a young man of 27 went for him even though he was a married man who had just become a father?

  27. angie0717 says:

    I agree w one of the comments above, she’s too hipster and twee. But also, she had an affair w Jennifer Jason Leigh’s husband who she was making a movie w. He ended up leaving his wife and child to be w Greta. JJL has talked about the devastation the affair and subsequent divorce caused her and her small son. That’s just never cool in my books.

    • seesittellsit says:

      @angie0717 – I was shocked to read that while Humphrey Bogart was dying of lung cancer, Lauren Bacall, his wife, had a fling with Frank Sinatra. The reviewer of the biography said, “Really, no one in Hollywood seems able to control himself for five minutes.” When I hear stories like this, I remember the comment.

      Sometimes, the stuff that goes down in Hollywood reminds me of the last line in “Chinatown”: “Forget it, Jake – it’s Chinatown”.

      • angie0717 says:

        Bad behaviour isn’t exclusive to Hollywood. It happened to me w a 2 yr old and 5 mos old. After nearly a decade of marriage. I wouldn’t wish it on anyone.

      • seesittellsit says:

        @angie0717 – point taken, and I am so very sorry you had to experience that. I cannot imagine the emotional pain. I hope you have found healing.

    • Miss M says:

      Someone has finally mentioned that…
      Not to mention JJL had an infant with him when he started dating GG. GG is talented. But let’s be honest, his connections have helped her a lot!

  28. Nikki says:

    I thought the trailer looked entertaining, and the actors seem appealing. I think because of the horrors of WWII, everyone wants Jewish people to feel safe in Israel, but the US hasn’t wanted to admit how terrible Israel has been to Palestinians, so I don’t hold signing that letter against her at all. BESIDES: there’s no way even 2 people will agree on every controversial issue there is, so are we all going to stop listening to EVERYONE, since they don’t agree with us about everything?? It’s getting insane, the narrow channel of righteousness to allow anyone to be heard on any subject! A poster on Celebitchy once commented, “I can’t listen to ANYTHING he says, since I saw a picture of him using a retractable leash!!”

  29. Lolly says:

    Not going to lie, I was so excited by the fact that the trailer used a Monkees song that I paid almost no attention to the cast, plot, etc. I’d probably go see it just to hear Micky Dolenz’s voice.

  30. Wo says:

    I cant wait to see this movie. Loved the trailer. Also loved that she signed that letter. Just look at all the Israel govt propaganda on this thread and you’ll see why it’s so hard for americans to be allowed to have pro Palestine opinions.

    • seesittellsit says:

      @Wo – I am sorry, but the assertion that anyone who holds an opinion different from yours on this issue is, ipso facto, repeating Israeli government propaganda is outrageous, disrespectful, disregards history, and completely violates the commenting guidelines here. It may be hard for you to accept, but it is possible to hold a variety of nuanced opinions on this very sad and complex issue for other reasons than Israeli government propaganda. And, I know quite a few Americans who hold pro-Palestinian opinions and who have no trouble at all expressing those. I treat them with the same respect and understanding with which I treat people who have strong feelings about what Israel represents, particularly to Europe’s Jews. It is a ghastly and unfortunate situation with a long tail stretching back far more than the last 70 years. There is plenty of hate and blame to go around on both sides. You have just added more of the former.

      • Wo says:

        Name me all the American celebrities who openly support Palestine. Javier bardem and Penelope cruz aren’t even American and they still had to make grovelling apologies for having pro Palestinian opinions. Oh yeah, and I have no problem blaming the apartheid IsraelI government for opressing Palestinians and stealing their land.

      • JG says:

        No land needed to be stolen – really, fought over – if the 5 arab contingents had accepted the UN land partition in 1948. They declared war, not Israel.

      • seesittellsit says:

        @JG – exactly. Ditto in 1967.

  31. Lis says:

    I am here for all things Greta Gerwig! I think she is amazing.

  32. Saks says:

    I dont know who this Greta person is but I’m curious now, also I love Saoirse so I’m sold!