In the 24 hours after Georgina Chapman announced that she was leaving Harvey Weinstein, he was just as chaotic as you would expect. Apparently, he got into some kind of loud fight which “spilled onto the street” with his 22-year-old daughter. Cops were called, and there were reports that Harvey was suicidal. Then, hours later, he left LA on a private jet, apparently flying off to Arizona to seek some kind of treatment. Weinstein told photographers as he left that he was “not like those f**king pricks who treat you like s**t.” Sure. As for the breakdown of his marriage, Harvey issued another public statement yesterday:
“Over the last week, there has been a lot of pain for my family that I take responsibility for. I sat down with my wife Georgina, who I love more than anything, and we discussed what was best for our family. We discussed the possibility of a separation and I encouraged her to do what was in her heart. In the end, she made the decision to separate. I understand, I love her and I love our children and hopefully, when I am better, I will be in their lives again. I support her decision, I am in counseling and perhaps, when I am better, we can rebuild.”
I hate the language of “I support her decision” because he makes it seem like he’s ALLOWING her to leave him. Whereas Georgina made it pretty clear that she was leaving him because she only just realized that she’s married to a sexual predator and walking horror show and that it was entirely her decision.
Speaking of, People Mag – the outlet getting a lot of Team Georgina’s exclusives – had another story about how she is “very, very upset,” and “being cared for by her friends and family.” A source tells People: “Georgina is very loved. Many people very much care about her. She won’t be going though this alone. It was her decision to separate. For every day, it was an easier decision for her to make. She was very honest when she released the statement about how her heart breaks for all the women who have suffered. She can’t imagine their pain. She feels sick and very sad that her husband is the cause. She is focusing on her kids and business.” Of course, the insider also makes it sound like Georgina is doing this for her business too: “She was totally in love with him when they met and the relationship was very authentic. But I’m sure it played in her mind heavily that she had to save the label. Fashion is a tough business and Marchesa has never been rolling in money.”
Photos courtesy of WENN.
I feel for the daughter and the wife.
And the son…monstrous role model. Everyone suffers.
Georgina’s husband and the father of her children has been outted as a serial rapist and she’s concerned about her ugly dresses? I think she has more pressing matters to deal with.
It’s a business. Men aren’t shamed for being concerned about their businesses during a divorce, why should she be?
This is a gross comment. It’s her career and the label that she built. Why shouldn’t she care about her life’s work too? She’s going to have a life to live after the divorce too.
She could be concerned about the 130 people in her employ.
Perhaps she can let her partner Keren Craig focus on the business while she focuses on herself and her family, Their lives have been ripped apart.
Why not? You might not like her designs but she obviously cares and why shouldn’t a woman focus on their own business and career as well as their family. Her life fell apart, dramatically and very publicly. Many people find solace in work. Just because you think her work isn’t worthwhile doesn’t mean it doesn’t have merit to her.
Not directed at anyone. And relatively very unimportant. But I’ve seen her dresses and ability as a designer slammed probably a hundred times in the last few days. On merit alone I quite like her designs. Some are pretty to me. I’ll take a bit too much froofery over another pair of granny panties/sheer skirt any day.
Yeah, I didn’t know she was behind some of the dresses actors have worn on the red carpet, and some I really liked, even if some are a bit too Prom-like for my tastes.
And you’d never find anyone blaming a man for concern over his business, as well as his marriage and kids. That’s a depressing indictment of what we expect from married women/mothers and their priorities, even now.
‘Marchesa has never been rolling in money’ because the dresses were worn in exchange for film roles and careers, not actually often purchased. Georgina knew well how the deals went down, girl isn’t dumb or oblivious.
she gained value by having show ponies prance around in her elementary designs. She heard the rumors, she has ambitions that maybe made her turn blind eye. let’s not pretend that her design company can survive without HW putting pretty starry eyed ladies in them. say what you want I just dont believe every wife is victim.
Of course she’s concerned about her business! Why wouldn’t she be? Think what you want about her dresses, but that’s her work and at least part of her livelihood. It would be weird if she was not concerned about it.
why? i suspect the divorce is to protect common assets for her and children, so the victims don’t get the money. they will be divorced and assets divided way before any victims file lawsuits and win any.
She is entitled to whatever she is entitled to.
Wow, you guys all called this. The question is: is he legitimately suicidal, or is this another manipulative, psychotic plot to try and salvage any sort of goodwill? And f*ck him for “understanding” Georgina’s decision. You don’t get to understand, you f*cking creep.
Plot.
I think it’s both. He may be having suicidal thoughts and he is using them to manipulate his wife and children.
Aha, Tis a plot I say!
Believeth not the fat man in thy midst.
Falsehood and lies are his supper,
the shame of his victims, a tasty morsel in his craw.
Only the opprobrium of the rabble rousing crowd, will bring him his just desserts.
It’s probably a combination of both, but I have 0 sympathy for him. The coward can’t face what he did and feels powerless and ruined now that the truth is out. I do have sympathy for his children though, whether he kills himself or not.
My money’s on manipulative plot.
Agree
He’s taking a page from the narcissist’s handbook.
HW will never change.
How many of his victims became depressed or suicidal after he ruined their lives do you think? How many of his victims suffer from PTSD to this day?
I reckon he’s pretending to be suicidal. He’s an arch manipulator. One of the victims i heard on the radio said how after she finally emerged from hiding in a locked bathroom she found him crying on the couch saying she rejected him because he was fat?!
And that audio that’s going around is so chilling too. Sometimes when people say ‘he wouldn’t take no for an answer’ it’s hard to imagine how many ways someone can say something but actually hearing his persistence is so chilling. Cunning and manipulative and he thinks he’s going to ‘get better’ ?!?
I agree rose. This is fake as hell. He isn’t suicidal. This is all a ploy at trying to gain sympathy from the public. It isn’t going to work. Harvey is a psychopath!
The audio suggests how he quickly veers from anger to begging. Manipulation.
He and trump have so many similarities. Psycho twins.
Unconscious plot. It’s a reflex.
He’s a powerful man under patriarchy who has fallen from power. He will therefore seek to pathologise that fall in his own mind so that he does not have to take responsibility. He’s not an abusive sex criminal. He’s a victim of a sex addiction.
He probably doesn’t even know he’s doing it. It’s just a reflex and a similar reflex will be triggered in many men as they respond to this.
That’s the patriarchy for you.
I just love the way sex abusers cast themselves as victims (not). Imagine being a burglar who checks into the Priory for your Compulsive Acquisition Syndrome. Sorry, Harvey, the right term for you is SEX OFFENDER.
Yep. Imagine the sheer privilege it takes to even think of casting yourself as a victim when it comes out that you’re a rapist. God. Like Jimmy Fallon said, the window into hell has been opened, and we’re all being forced to take a hard look at the demons.
You hit it on the nose.
I was talking to Sixlet Major about this yesterday. I explained to him that what the #notallmen brigade of men can’t understand is that while it’s true that a minority of men are outright abusive, a majority of workplaces, institutions, and social environments contain an abusive man. So, if you are a woman, encountering abusive men is commonplace.
He’s a kid. He understood this clearly. He was able to accept that it’s his responsibility as a future man to change the landscape as much as it is any woman’s, if not more. Even though he is certain he won’t himself be abusive, this certainty isn’t a get out of jail free card.
I suppose our best hope is that sunlight is a cleanser for our youth, if not for the older ones.
Yes, well said. I think it’s telling that he says he hopes she’ll come back when “he’s better.” As if he has the flu and all will be well in 7-10 days. He definitely seems to be playing the victim. Appalling.
You have described his pathology to a tee.
And pretty sure Winona was locked up for her disorder, kleptomania (although CAS has such a better ring).
On the Sex Addict topic, there is an added layer of f@ckery.
No one who believes sex is an activity two people do together, instead of one person taking from another, would describe what he’s been doing as sex. Even to position this as sex addiction shows how deeply warped his, and his handlers, ideas of sex are. He’s not a sex addict, he’s a rape addict.
Sixer, I’ve also been talking with my sons although not nearly as eloquently as you have been with yours. I was thinking about how Damon et al say “I have daughters,” as if that somehow gives them a higher stake in the issue…but what about people with sons? It’s just as incumbent on parents to make sure their sons don’t perpetuate this cycle of abuse as it is to protect and/or support their daughters. If not more so.
And detritus, I thought the same thing, what Weinstein has been doing is most certainly not sex so his cry of “sex addict” doesn’t hold water at all.
Detritus – everything you said. Winona’s prosecution (for a minor crime) absolutely shows the distinction.
Esmom – you will like this article from a UK political journal. Author’s satirising Damon (and all the others) with the daughter thing.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/feminism/2017/10/man-no-daughters-here-are-my-views-feminism
Ha, Sixer, thank you. Love it…”I would thus expect the world to respect her – partly because of my natural, parental impulse to protect her, and partly because of my equally natural impulse to view her primarily as an extension of myself rather than a human being in her own right.”
That pretty much sums it up. And I love how he closed with a mention of Hillary. Perfect.
The author is a good follow on Twitter. I like his take on a lot of things!
It’s not sex addiction, it’s power addiction. He merely used sex as a way to demonstrate and reinforce that power, living out all his fantasies and glorying in what he could make women do.
What do the powerful fear most of all? losing their power. He’s clawing desperately at anything he can reach to retain even a semblance of his old power. The bigger you are the harder the fall. We have these cliches and sayings for a reason.
Insightful as always, Sixer. From your most apt description, it sounds like you’ve encountered this type of man before.
Kitten – I got a good education from the Sister Mafia! (My mother, aunts, great aunts and grandmother). They all made it very clear how to recognise abusive behaviour in men. Also, I think, being a GNC kind of woman who has never in her life performed or aspired to femininity, I kinda got to see it from the outside. If I ever got hassle, it was more of the “she must be a lesbian” misogyny, rather than the handsy stuff.
Yeah this is how I see it too. I was pondering bringing his astrology into this but you’ve saved me Sixer. Lol
WTF, he’s going to rehab??? He should be going to jail.
Classic abuser technique
Exactly.
He’s pretending to be suicidal to mitigate the damage. He asked his company board to just let him go way for awhile, see therapists, have some time for “healing,” etc. Probably still thinks he can crawl back out of this and keep his power. I’m sure he doesn’t think for a minute he will ever be arrested. He’s just acting contrite to tip the balance of power back his way.
i’m so glad there are so many who recognize this. its horribly obvious to anyone who has had the pleasure (please feel my sarcastic disgust) of seeing this type of abuse.
Plot.
Manipulation. He’ll take good care of himself.
If he’s suicidal, which I doubt, it’s not because he feels he did anything wrong, but because he finally got called out on it. Not reaching for any tissues here.
Classic Narc move. He hasn’t done anything wrong, he’s just ill and a victim of his circumstances. No doubt he’s convinced he can manipulate Georgina into forgiving him, can successfully smear Rose and everyone else, can gain power and control again. Watch and wait.
Exactly. I’m sure he thinks NYT and the New Yorker ruined his life.
Exactly. He’s feeling extremely sorry for himself and probably getting quite dramatic about it. In a way, his life IS over, or at least life as he’s come to know and enjoy it. Boo hoo.
Yes. I have seen it before – the I have no one, I have nothing, everyone I know has abandoned me – can you not see how much I have hurt me too? Can you imagine how much pain I am in now that everyone but one person has abandoned me? Think of all I will lose (reputatio, respect, and money) in our divorce, etc.
My ex performed the same act, went to rehab, and he is still a fecking jerk. I have so little hope abusers can be rehabilitated.
He probably is. It does seem at this point that he will lose a LOT. And the calling of the loan on the company must petrify them all. I could easily see him offing himself. I don’t think I care either.
all his life he’s been doing : “If you (don’t )do X then I do Y” threats.
This article just proves that he hasn’t stopped doing that.
Since he’s lost everything of value, and since he’s a narcissist, he’s now using himself as the valuable thing at stake, on the people who might be succeptible to that (family).
It’s just a manipulative plot.
Yup. Narcissism is a million tiny negging comments, it’s very well placed, carefully worded threats, it’s striking fear in people and enjoying their reactions without coercion that can be proved in court, it’s prying things out of you via email, text, or phone, only to record those things without your knowledge and later use them against you, it’s taking pictures of your naked body when you’re asleep, it’s carefully planting lies and manipulations about your character in the right minds, so when you finally object or take a stand, no one believes you and your character is already smeared, it’s continuing to drag you through the mud to friends, romantic partners, and coworkers by proxy for years after you offend their ego, it’s the goal of infiltrating your family, career, and life, it’s a patronizing hand on your thigh when they barely know you or a hand on your lower back, people think it’s Trump’s blustery machismo, but it’s not. It’s silent, slow moving, deliberate and carefullh orchestrated psychological, sexual and or physical abuse, and by the time you realize what’s happening. You were already suckered in. You already poured yourself into your soulmate, deeply trusted friend, or perfect business partner. They already have all they need so they can twist it and make your life hell. They don’t commit suicide. They try to make others commit suicide, or they try to kill off others’ careers, advantages, and reputation, just because it gives them a rush. The emotional reactions and taking down of others are their sustenance. No one cares about the preservation of Harvey Weinstein more than Harvey Weinstein right now. He will not kill himself. I knew of someone with NPD who threatened suicide to a girlfriend and family after she dumped him, and refused to respond to all attempts to contact him, making them believe he might have done it. He did this multiple times. It was a last ditch effort to manipulate the emotions and reactions of others and gain sympathy and affirmation. Pathetic.
@Justjj – you’re excellent on this issue. I’ve been on receiving end of this a few times in life, actually probably more than a few but I didn’t know …. it’s a devastating experience. Broke my heart each time. It’s hard to see narcissism, or it was for me. Thanks for your comments.
ETA: things to save a person from a narcissist, in my experience – integrity and conscientiousness. I swear, people gave me lot of flack over my life for being naive or being too compassionate. But if not for integrity and conscience, I’d not have survived the experiences. Hope this helps someone.
@Carrie – Don’t ever feel stupid and stop the negative self talk. Narcs deliberately target people who are more attractive, more confident, more kind hearted, more generous, and smarter than they are. It’s a bigger payoff for them when they can project their false self onto someone they admire and take them down. You were a target because you had multiple things the abuser wanted and wanted to take from you by control and manipulation. Pathetic when you finally see through their schemes, although for most of us, it’s too late and we mourn the trusting, giving, person we were.
Shamby-yesterday’s ep of The Daily–you listened? I almost lost it listening to Katherine Kendall describe her encounter with HW. He is just so vile words cannot describe.
Also, Kendall said that he is an exceptionally manipulative man–masterful at conning women.
Please everyone let’s keep this in mind when y’all rush to condemn Georgina.
If he is, it’s because he’s feeling sorry for himself. If he feels the magnitude of what he’s done, it’s all about how it affected HIM and ruined HIS life. His remorse is entirely for himself and nobody else, just like everything else he’s done. It’s pathetic how even now, he cannot look outside himself and see, even for a moment, all the harm he has caused. No, it’s all about how he is hurting, he is sad, he is upset that his comfortable life is over. All the women he abused are but faceless masses to him, only remembered if they dared to wound his ego by rejecting him.
It’s a Harvey and Georgina pity party.
Nauseating.
I’m with you, Megan – a little from Column A, a little from Column B. It always angers me so much when people do the most despicable things to others, but when they are outed and (might be) held accountable, they bleat like stuck pigs, cry, whine, threaten suicide etc., as if they deserve and expect sympathy for feeling so down about their plight, and how this might ruin their life. We see this every bloody day. How effing dare they?
Well, even if he IS suicidal, so what. He never had an ounce of compassion for all the women he brutalized – this is just about him, his suffering, blah blah. Who cares.
No disrespect to those legitimately suffering from suicidal thoughts but false threats of suicide is also part of a narcissist’s toolkit when the usual intimidation/anger tactics fail.
Yes, to those people suffering genuine suicidal thoughts, the thing is nobody will even really know how sick they really were. Suicide more often than not comes totally out of the blue for those who are left behind. People just had no idea. So many times it is on the down low.
Harvey’s fake suicidal thoughts are just pure manipulation. This is why I love celebitchy so much. Nobody on here misses a beat! Nothing gets past us.
The sickest part here is that he scared his 22 year old daughter so much with suicide threats that she called the police? That’s how he responds when one of his own children calls him on what he has done to the family and those women. He goes there with his own barely grown child.
He’s a sick little f*cker. I didn’t even know I could despise him more until I read that. There literally is nobody he cares about hurting, and no extent of pain he will spare them, if it gets him something he requires.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/art/harvey-weinstein-came-rescue-alleged-abusers-hollywood/
Weinstein ALSO helped Woody Allen and Polanski.
He is a psychopath. They always feign mental illness and they will resort to drama like suicide threats, but they never follow through.
If this scandal tanks Marchesa and its lousy dresses, that’s icing on the cake. Georgina needs to take Harvey to the cleaners and retire to an island with a hot young new husband.
Island, divorce & hot new partner. Sounds like a good Plan B, but I think his victims should also get a big slice of his $$$
My sympathy for her is limited. She is no different than Melania.
I agree @magnoliarose
@ Magnoliarose:
Do we know that for sure? I know Melania supports at least SOME of her husbands evil because we saw her confidently and happily making birther arguments. Its probably the most forthright i have ever seen her.
Do we know anything similar for Georgina? (ie anything that shows her to have been complicit) Because she seems like a rather sweet, relatively sane woman to me…..
Just asking, I genuinely don’t know…..
Thank you magnoliarose !
Can we be real here?
I was really ticked off by the comments on Georginas’ post.
There is NO way she didn’t know. Full stop.
There has been rumors and settlements (that *I* know of) since 1997. They married is 2007. Come on guys!. Laineys’ BI is from 2009.
Georgina is not from Nebraska, she is in the bubble, she knowingly married a p^g, for benefits and trades, which is fine. I’m all for the come up, but you don’t get to knowingly do all this and then turn around and play ignorance! That’s not how this works. And let’s not get it twisted, Harvery is the criminal here. I can believe that and still side eye the F out of Georgina.
To those keyboard feminist trying and failing to drag Enough already, stay pressed.
You’re siding with rapists and sexual assailants and undermining the power of psychological abuse. Feel lucky you’ve never lived that torture. Too easy for this kind to hide their tracks from everyone. Women and victims should be believed as a baseline. Time will tell what Georgina’s role was if sh had one. In the mean time, stop diffusing the sole responsibility of a rapist and abuser.
Justjj
No one on this thread is siding with Harvery or diffusing his responsibility. He did this to these women, his victims. Just so we are clear. He is a rapist and serial sexual assaulter. I’m not too sure what time will tell- that the dates and history of this pig doesn’t already tell.
He did this, and she knew of the rumors/talks and settlements. Everyone in and out of their bubble gossiping about it, but somehow she was unaware of it all.. mmk
@PAsserby:
The Obamas just let their daughter spend time under this mans care….I think we can agree that they didn’t know, despite how powerful and all-knowing you’d expect the ex-president to be.
If we don’t KNOW, KNOW for an absolute fact that she knew, is it really too much to ask to give a woman who’s just had her life blasted apart, just a little benefit of the doubt?
Bella Dupont
Call me crazy, but I think EVERYONE who released a statement knew. Now if you want to talk about to what degree, that is another subject. If you wants to compare a spouse vs an outsider – I’m going with the spouse knows more. She knew when they were dating and she has known throughout their marriage. I was a victim to sexual abuse (and I really don’t mean to bring it up), believe when I say *ALL the immediate people around him knew* Do I think it sucks for her, that her life is on full display? Yea, it is not a position I envy. However, something tells me she will recovery well. My Prayers are with the kids.
@Passerby I was going to give along drawn out example of how psychological abuse can convince even spouses nothing is wrong and how it works but I don’t think people who want to incriminate Georgina for Harvey’s crimes are going to change their minds. Psychological abuse is very powerful. He is an experienced abuser and serial rapist.
@jj Who is taking a side with a rapist? That is a huge leap out of nowhere. Not once on these threads have I ever sided with rapists so that thought is extremely false. I have always maintained that Harvey is the abuser and to blame for his actions. But then I think you have to say the same about Melania. It is the same principle.
@Bella
She made comments about the rape case in New York and sent her sources out to give statements, and her remarks were about her business, and she was furious. Seth MacFarlane made a joke about Harvey’s habits at an awards show; reports were in the news about him. Knowing these rumors before she married him, she still dressed the actresses.
Melania parroting 45 could have been coercion. So it can’t be that one is ok, but the other gets different treatment. Melania hasn’t done anything to make her worse or better than Georgina. Every argument can be said about her too.
I stand by my sympathies are limited. I didn’t say non existant.
It’s too exhausting to explain the nuances of narcissistic and psychological abuse and how it works. It’s possible she didn’t know he was a rapist. It’s not the same. Melania defended a crass conversation on a bus on national television. Georgina lived with a rapist for years. Like others have stated, there are endless stories about sexual predators and serial killers living ‘normal’ lives. He could have easily gaslighted, threatened, and manipulated her into silence using psychological abuse, the children as pawns or the children by proxy. You are siding with him before knowing the whole story when you blame Georgina because it’s very possible she was a victim of his leering threats, control tactics and manioulations as well. Trump is a blustering misogynistic idiot imo to say the least but I’m not sure* he’s a sociopath and does not truly show signs of NPD, imo. Real malignant NPD is horrific to encounter, it is sneaky and deliberate, and can remain unknown to even close family and romantic partners for years. My suggestion would be to read up on narcissistic abuse and try to imagine being subjected to small increments of it at a time for over a decade. It’s important for all of us to educate ourselves on what emotional abuse looks like.
@jj
I understand what a Narcissist is and how they abuse the people around them. I think Harvey and 45 are both rapists and abusers of women. We do know that 45 is physically abusive as his first wife said it doesn’t stand to reason he isn’t a bully to Melania.
I can blame Harvey for his actions and have entirely separate reasons not to have truckloads of sympathy for Georgina. We don’t know if he was ever abusive to her or if she was ever victimized. She has never claimed that nor have there been any rumors even alluding to that. His first wife has never said anything though I do know she could have referenced the Kevin Hart situation here and felt some smug satisfaction, but she hasn’t.
I don’t want to get into listing my reasons because then it becomes about Georgina and not about Harvey and his victims. She is in the category with Melania, Marla Maples, Eniko and others who started their relationships in shady circumstances. I stay consistent in my feelings that ill-begotten marriages built on other people’s pain is not worth my sympathy energy when there are assault victims, children and innocent people’s careers that are hurt by the abusers.
She did the right thing and left him. Nothing more to say about her.
I feel sorry for her. I never liked Marchesa, and I do understand her husband helped her a lot, but she seems like a good person (even if very much privileged), and I tend to believe she assumed there were a lot of affairs, but not abuse. :runsforcovers:
She seems like a nice person. No wife deserves this.
I picture her having used softer words like “philanderer” or “wandering eye” to rationalize her staying in the marriage. When the truth came out and “rapist” hit her in the face, she couldn’t play that game any more.
No need to run for cover, from all we know she’s done nothing wrong. I applaud her for leaving and focusing her statement on the victims.
I worked with her for a charity event a few years ago and she was extremely friendly, down to earth and personable.
He’s been lying from the jump…he was supposed to be on a plane to Europe and then heads to LA. Finally, he goes to Arizona, but he isn’t getting help. No way.
That was my first thought, too– I thought he was “going to Europe.”
I wonder if there are any law enforcement issues that didn’t allow him to leave the country. Probably just wishful thinking.
Maybe there are issues in whatever country he’d go to in Europe? Perhaps he has more recent crimes somewhere over there. It’s possible he’s tried to commit less crimes here in the states ever since the sting operation in New York almost got him in hot water.
Then again maybe law enforcement did tell him to not leave the country. I don’t think that’s out of the realm of possibility, we don’t need another Polanski on our hands.
His statement seemed telling. He has to control everything. Even Georgina & her decision to leave is something he had to couch in his terms. It seems like as long as he can keep feeling like he’s in charge he can keep it together but to really heal & take real responsibility for himself he has to let go.
The dynamics of sexual assault all come back to power & it doesn’t seem like Harvey is at all ready to give up an ounce of his (now perceived) power.
Hope the investigations are pursued more seriously this time in multiple states.
Yup. Narc is not remorseful for what he’s done, he’s having a tantrum because he’s not in control anymore.
Hope that GC gets her ducks in a row legally so that she gets full custody.
How gracious and benevolent, letting her decide whether or not to stay, and then respecting her decision! What a sick POS.
This, 1000%. People reveal their character in how they choose to word apologies. His statement is still all about him and how he’s feeling and how he’ll get better and win her back. He’s a truly despicable POS.
I agree with everyone saying he’s feigning suicidal ideation/intent. True narcissists are generally too selfish to ever actually take their own lives – they assign themselves far too much importance. It’s also a convenient way to shift the blame onto some sort of pathology.
It’s also a very comfortable “woe is me” drama they get to play. Like an actor delivering a powerful and moving soliloquy on how life is full of pain, they dramatize themselves with suicidal thoughts. They may even believe it themselves in the moment, but deep down, it’s exactly like a play. The curtain will fall, the moment will be over, and the actor was just an actor, putting on a show for the benefit of the audience.
What a mess. How many lives has this man ruined? I feel badly for the daughter as well. I read that the NYPD is trying hard to investigate and prove rape charges so he faces some kind of criminal charges.
Son too…still a child as well. Blameless and deserving of sympathy.
Those poor kids. I hope Georgina moves to Europe with them so they can heal in relative anonymity. If I were her, I’d change their last name to Chapman, ASAP.
Does anyone care he’s suicidal? I do not. He is suicidal because he’s been caught. Not because he has an ounce of remorse. Even his pap statement, he’s not like those others, he’s special. Welcome to the inability to control your narrative, Dog.
The storm is coming for you, and it doesn’t care if you are alive or dead. We are seeing and we are listening, and it’s not to you. Not anymore.
This comment is so badass.
+100
@detritus
Beautifully said. He’s not sorry for his actions, he’s sorry he got caught. He would have continued violating women until he was exposed. It’s just scary to think of other powerful people out there in Hollywood (and everywhere else) who are still exploiting people.
He’s not. He’s too much of a narcissist to kill himself. I’m sure more than one of his victims has felt suicidal or attempted suicide.
I do not care. I won’t go so far as to say I hope he actually does top himself because I don’t want even him to do such a thing. But I do hope the justice system actually serves its purpose and finds a way to put him in the sex offender wing of a jail. Which is where he belongs.
I’d appreciate if he stayed around for his children and wife’s closure, and perhaps to provide restitution to the multitudes if women he impacted, but. Shrug.
Pedro, totally agree. I don’t believe it’s truly an option. This is part of trying out strategies to turn his narrative around. He’s throwing stuff to the wall to see what sticks. My prediction is that suicide as an option won’t stay around too long .
Now I truly believe he’s upset. Most abusers are when they realize their cover is blown. They are truly upset at what you think about them. Not what they did. What you think.
I wouldn’t regret his death but I wouldn’t will it on either, you know?
But I very, very, very (and all the verys) much would like to see him prosecuted.
Until we see his acts as criminal acts (not bad behaviour), it doesn’t matter how much equality legislation we pass or how many diversity targets we meet. It won’t change a thing.
That’s what I was thinking. I very rarely actively wish for someone’s death, but there’s a lot of people where I think that if they did die, that would be fine. He’s one of them. If he did die, that’d be okay. Either way, whatever is waiting for him on the other side will be there when he comes to it.
Wish him death??! Nah man. I’m far too sadistic for that.
This dude need to stick around and experience the consequences of his actions. I want to see him experience X 100 of the shame and pain he mercilessly inflicted on all those women. (To the extent that he can feel shame anyway)
I wouldn’t complain too much either, if some of this retribution was handed to him by a huge, physically domineering, long term Prisoner (preferably in a maximum security facility), with a reputation for roughness towards his queens.
Ditto. My only caveat is that he is 65. I think of OJ, who just got parole and is no different in attitude, etc. I don’t think there is anything which will punish him at his age. This is who he is and who he will remain to the end. I don’t wish suicide on him tho. This is hurting him in a way that will fester and grow and make him truly realize to some extent at least.
right? bye dude.
This is a ploy to make everyone feel sorry for him and to manipulate his soon to be ex-wife and children.
I feel no sympathy for him, ever. His victims have suffered for a long time, and everything he is going through now, he brought on himself.
Karma is a bitch.
@Detritus Abusers are most upset by what you think, not what they did – bravo. You and Sixer and the other commenters here are doing a beautiful job of articulating and illuminating the nuances of abusive behavior, and I thank you. Waking up to these patterns is often the most difficult part of negotiating toxic and abusive relationships. The ability to begin sifting through and removing yourself from the manipulation and mind games is invaluable. I hope the women who have suffered from shame and guilt and trauma at the hands of this bastard have started/are starting that process and moving closer to healing.
The other thing to note about narcissistic abusers like this, I think, is to understand that when they accuse you of doing something you haven’t done, it is an admission of something they have done themselves. Narcissistic abusers don’t see other people when they look at them because they are always looking in the mirror: they are seeing themselves and talking to themselves, not you.
A very wise friend of mine once told me this and as soon as she did, I could see it was true. Never forgotten the lesson. It’s at the root of all gaslighting.
@ Sixer:
Too right! Donald Trump clearly exhibits this trait all day, every day.
Yeah, this and Sixer…. the mirror thing is bang on. So agree that the women coming forward are doing an excellent job at articulating their experiences too.
@Sixer, I (somewhat selfishly) wish I could learn the lessons of your Sister Mafia here or in a book. My extended family has had too much drug and alcohol abuse for anyone to ever be ‘woke’ and look out for the females. More of, “that is the way things and men are” and “suck the abuse up and take it or you will never survive in this world”
I absolutely married a narcissist, who threatened suicide, accused me of cheating and doing things he did, and I feel lucky to have escaped. Hugs to all of you who have been in contact with this kind of gaslighting.
Ladidah – I am so glad you escaped. I’ve huge admiration for all the women with the personal strength to do that.
He’ll never physically ‘hurt’ himself. He’s too important to himself. His entire life has been lived on the sole premise of his formidable presence and later his own perceived largess. Granted, if he ever does go through with suicide, I’ll be so pissed. He needs to be alive for these next chapters.
Gad, I keep replaying that hideous Harvey quote “I’m the F&ucking sheriff in this f%cking cesspit of a town” …. times up pig.
I have learnt one thing in my 45 years on this earth. 9 times out of 10 these vile bloody absusers who hurt and exploit, all the narcissists in the world etc etc etc, all seem to get their comeuppance in the end. Praise be! Trump is next onm the chopping block.
Don’t care if he lives or dies but for the victims sake, I hope he lives and suffers rest of his life.
Next up is Terry Richardson – he needs to be exposed alongside the people who supports him…
If we’re making a list can we add Louis CK to it?
Don’t know who that is – can you please elaborate more about who he is and what he did?
There are Jezebel rumors of Louis CK calling women into his office and masturbating in front of them. Tig Notaro called him out.
I sometimes wonder if guys who have been problematic can change – like Fred Armisen also had a lot of rumors surrounding him- yet he and Louis CK still work with “woke” women.
Maya – yes, Terry needs to be the next one to go but it’s going to be difficult because unlike Wankstain here, he doesn’t target famous women – he seems to pull his sexual harassment mainly on civilians.
Rie Rasmussen and Coco Rocha went public back in the day about refusing to work with him but there need to be more, and the industry needs to stop shielding him as some ‘free speech being victimised’ issue. The issue isn’t the sexual content of his photographs, it’s him pressuring/coercing people who model for him into sex.
Yeah it’s sounds like it will be hard to take him down but we thought the same about HW and he was finally taken down.
Didn’t Terry rape two models as well? I vaguely remember reading something like that.
Terry is a scumbag who doesn’t honor his contracts and tries to get models to take some “artistic” shots that aren’t part of the original agreement. He likes to book young new models who don’t know the ropes yet and pressure them. They don’t understand the legality of posing for a photographer without a contract or what they are signing most often because they don’t understand it is unusual to sign releases at the shoot. He will own the photographs, and there is nothing the model can do about it. It is an old ploy, and it is still used because it works. Only if a model is one of the favorites of the agency, and she hits the ground booking jobs from the beginning is she handled differently. For guys like Terry, they still try anyway as long as the model hasn’t made it to the top yet.
But that is not the total problem. It is getting a girl naked and then pushing her with others joining in the pressure and getting her to do something far outside of her comfort zone. He has toned it down supposedly, and his talent and pedigree make people want to give him more chances than he deserves. Then, of course, some models claim to like working with him, giving him cover.
Model Alliance is trying to improve conditions for models but it is relatively new so who knows how much they can help with sexual harassment.
He pisses me off big time.
A victim of Terry came out a couple of years ago saying Terry and his assistant drug tea she was give . Not to the point were she was unconscious, but to the point were wasn’t mentally capable to make decision for herself.
More then one person has come out and said Terry raped them and sadly it falls on deaf ears. He just poses and photographs more and more celebrity women.
ITA maya
add to your excellent list please
DR LUKE
and look at the power players dealing with child actors because we know this is happening to child actors.
depressing knowing this list can go on ad nauseum.
Dr. Luke for sure should be added to the list of known pervs., good call Poppy
Dude. If there is any justice in this world, Dan Schneider.
Yep- he’s the worst. A pedo working at Nickelodeon. He REALLY needs to go down….
He keeps calling it a separation, like it’s a temporary situation. She left your a$$, Harv, and surely she’s not coming back.
And he tried to make it sound like they sat down and had a calm and reasonable conversation about it. Sure…
Suicide is not something to joke about or be used as a tool for manipulation. I hate the fact that I have doubts that he’s genuinely in this state.
Mara, I absolutely think he’s lying about suicidal urges for PR – he’s trying for a ‘poor Harvey, so ill and desperate’ sympathetic press slant.
He may well want to kill a lot of people right now, but his own rapist ass is not one of them.
I agree.
I think he was. He didn’t say it. His older daughter from his first marriage did when she called the police worried when he took off from her house. I think he was probably suicidal right at that moment because not only of the separation and all the charges and firing. He has lost all of his friends. He had all of these power player friends at his fingertips, and no one is speaking to him. He is isolated beyond his lawyers and assistant. I mean, the guy ran out of his daughter’s house trying to flag down a stranger passing by to give him a ride. He’s a mess. I think his fight with her daughter was about him needing to leave for treatment and he was fighting doing that still. He did eventually come back into her house and I guess she talked some sense into him.
But then he did fly out that night to that Arizona rehab place for inpatient therapy..
Jayna, I agree. It would be honestly be odd he was not slightly suicidal at least for a minute when he has lost his reputation, career, friends and wife so quickly.
Alternatively his daughter told him some home truths, as probably the only adult woman in existence whose opinion actually matters to him, so he upped the ante with that piece of manipulative crap to shove her back into her box and stop her from being mean to her poor Daddy.
Given she’s only 22, and that she called the emergency services to help him, it probably worked, too.
Using suicide as a manipulation tactic is a form of emotional abuse.
https://avalancheofthesoul.wordpress.com/2014/05/31/emotional-blackmail-suicide-threats-in-abusive-relationships/
I agree, but I also think in his mind he thinks he means it because Harvey lives in this weird alternate reality where he creates crap thoughts and believes them. Exposure is like dying to him because it is the worst thing that can happen to someone like him, so he thinks he wants to kill himself but only and this is important if he can get some pity with his announcement. Push comes to shove he ain’t killing himself because he believes firmly in his ability to resurrect himself. Deep down he wants to make sure he is perceived as pitiable and pathetic as possible so that he can manipulate his way back with a brand new fresh sanitized Harvey.
I have known a couple of Harvey’s before, and it is like they all get the same memos or a chip inserted in their brains to program their similar behavior.
yup. its a way to ‘prove’ his innocence and rehab ability too.
All about image and controlling his narrative. I’m so glad he is getting a taste of what it feels like to have your story taken from you.
Yes, the new sanitized harvey. Wait for it, we will see him turning to god and donating to women’s causes. Ha, he thinks this will work. In the narcissists juvenile mind he actually thinks this is all it would take.
Oh, btw, guys, Twitter put Rose McGowan on a temp ban. Tweet your outrage at this silencing if you can.
Wait. Rose McGowan’s been temporarily banned from twitter, but the moron who’s running our country (into the ground) is still tweeting threats that could land us in WWIII?
I know, right? I’m sick.
Exactly what I was thinking! This whole thing is so sick!
Yep I know. I wrote to them to protest it.
yeah the same guy who flipped the finger when he boarded his private jet after saying “everyone deserves a second chance”. Dude had thousands .. I don’t believe for one second his ego left him suicidal.
He’d be doing the world a favour if he killed himself.
That is, as long as every single obituary and post-death piece of writing to ever mention him made it clear he was a serial rapist and sexual harasser. No posthumous whitewash and no ‘why did he do this?’ attempts to ‘humanise’ him please.
Oh, and I wouldn’t feel bad if someone pissed on his grave either. (to be clear, I doubt he is in any way suicidal – he clearly doesn’t feel any remorse for his actions)
I don’t wish such a fate on anyone, even Harvey. I couldn’t in good conscience do that, but I do hope that he gets some sort of help if that is at all possible to prevent him going on to do this ever again.
He looks like a heart attack ready to happen. Overweight, unhealthy, and now lots of stress. I wouldn’t be surprised if he has a heart attack down the road.
Losing everything that afforded you the opportunity to be a sexual harassing super predictor creep is really hard……. I doubt if the burdens of his dirty deeds has even processed in his mind yet because he has only just entered “treatment”. I hope he doesn’t chase the devil just yet because his come to Jesus moment is far from over!
LOLZ, he can not be cured through therapy poeople. When a snake sheds his skin, what is he? … Still a snake, Think about it,
Plot twist I thought he was on his way to Europe to get some help, now it is Arizona. His statements that he keeps putting out tells me that he doesn’t grasp what he has done. That itself says a lot about his mindscape.
Wait….what’s the sound?….why it’s the smallest violin in the world playing. Bye Harvey.
He has three adult daughters actually, along with the seven year old girl and four year old son. I have every sympathy for them.
They’d be crazy to let him out of the country. Dude is the definition of flight risk. I think that was the plan and he’s pissed it was thwarted.
My childhood abuser died (of natural causes) last week and, as a consequence, I have been thrown into a maelstrom of mixed emotion I am finding it difficult to vocalise to those around me (family, friends, my psychiatrist, and CPN). There has been some suicidal ideation amongst this maelstrom. I am fortunate in having a lot of support from those who love me and those who are professionally qualified to assist me throughout this time. I am 46 years old and still blighted by the power that was taken from me and I mourn today for that girl I once was who had, to some extent, the course of her life altered by a man abusing her for his own sense of dominance and perverted desires. It is more than likely that my genetic predisposition towards bipolar might not have manifested symptoms had this abuse not triggered them.
My abuser lived a miserable few decades as an alcoholic ostracised from his family and former friends; yet that is cold comfort to me as I reflect on all the ‘normality’ and sense of security taken from me for life.
My sympathies are entirely with the victims. HW is an abuser trying to medicalise his perversions as an excuse for his actions and in further dimunition of the trauma he wrought on many woman.
I understand that he may now be considering ending his own life and I do not wish that on anyone – however, he must not be allowed to skate on his actions due to his abuses being given some kind of psychological or psychiatric legitimacy. He lived his life exactly how he wanted leaving in his wake much damage and distress for his victims. He does not get to play the “I’ll kill myself” card now that his abuses have been revealed and he is confronted with his own evil deeds.
I am so sorry for what happened to you, and I’m glad that you have a strong support team around you this week. Hugs.
dippit You are so good and i am holding you in my heart. stay strong and keep doing what you are doing. i have much respect for all the hard work you have done.
this is making us all so raw because we all sympathize and empathize in varying degrees.
Well said and much love to you.
Profoundly moving. Thank you for sharing and best wishes to you.
Dippit, so sorry for your suffering.
May you find happiness, health & healing. 🌺
Thank you for sharing your story, you are not alone.
You articulated how pervasive their abuse is and how it changes the victim forever. I think one of the worst crimes of sexual violence is stealing someone’s “before self” if that makes sense. Long after you have to mourn the person you were and will never be again.
Hopefully, you can find some peace and don’t blame yourself for anything including your reactions. When victims like you speak out it reminds us all that despite the perpetrator’s dramatics, in the end, it is about the victims. Always.
Hugs and peace to you.
Thank you for all your kind words and thoughts; they are warming at a time when I’m feeling particularly hollowed out.
In gratitude.
hugs love. we see you. we believe you.
What does it say about our collective experience with men like this that so many of us instantly called this out as fake and manipulative?
It says everything.
Late and transatlantic hugs.
Sad, isn’t it?
It is sad, but I also find a sense of relief that we can finally talk about this & are being taken more seriously.
Keeping quiet at times gave me protection but it also prolonged the shame. The more other women speak up the more I realize it really wasn’t my fault.
It feels like a diff. climate today than it was even 10 years ago, feels hopeful to me.
And if HW gets prosecuted for his crimes it will show me that some things are changing & that change is possible
I too am actually heartened in a way. The fact that so many of us instantly disbelieved him or thought “yeah you’re sorry, sorry for YOURSELF, you predatory narcissistic asshole” diminishes his power and makes me feel surrounded by others who recognize him and see through him. The more we speak, the easier it becomes to keep talking. He’s also another reference point to add to discussions of this type of behavior. He will be remembered as a rapist, an abuser of women, just like Cosby. I wouldn’t be surprised if his name is turned into a verb as shorthand to describe abusive, power-drunk sexual predators in future.
@Cboud
I feel hopeful too, and I understand what you mean. Please let this end and at least make it so we can change the acceptance of this kind of culture.
i feel it too. please be a sea change. please be the changing tide. please.
It means that too many of us have been exposed to a Harvey. Sad but true.
He just is desperate .He became a pariah .Now he discovers how the feeling of powerless is .
If someone like Polanski ( convicted pedophile and proud to be) can survive,HW will survive.He still has loyal friends and I am pretty sure he has some files on many famous persons
I’m sorry to say, but good. I’m glad he’s down in the dumps. This man is such a waste of air. He is so beyond help at this point. Just disappear now.
Coward should have his day in court and face his victims. I feel he will try and off himself but again too prideful. The only thing that would be good os if during trial he names all the rest of the power pervs in industry.
Classic manipulator:
“I’m the one who was in control of the breakup, I suggested it”
“I’m sick and suicidal, worry about me!”
“I have low-self esteem, people won’t let me assault them because they think I’m too fat. Feel sorry for me!”
And on and on and on…
Way to make this all about you, Harvey.
He may very well be suicidal, he is losing the one thing he worked so hard to accumulate. Power. He is facing a future without the power to manipulate and humiliate beautiful women, the one thing that seemed to get him out of bed in the morning. I would imagine his future seems pretty bleak.
I am having a difficult time working up sympathy.
Whatever. He’s a master manipulator, I hope people don’t fall for this.
i rage against HW he has fuched up so many lives.
he needs to grow up quickly and face the music. not drama parade all over the world.
he has CHILDREN. he needs to be a father to them by setting an example, even in some pitiful meager way.
it makes me sick to think of them – their father has no respect for human dignity and has done truly vile things and the world knows it. sick because i doubt he has it in him to do right by them in any way.
his children never asked for a father like him and deserve better.
HW get your shït together for your gd children. do you have to be horrible to everyone? do you have to keep hurting your children with your behavior?
thanks god they have a mother and am hopeful she has the strength to show them how to survive a crisis.
He had no mercy on those he assaulted and now he wants people to care because he’s suicidal? Bitch please.
I hope he kills himself. I just know I would if I were in his shoes, but then again I have shame and I can feel empathy so i’d never BE in his shoes. But God if only men like him, Trump, Cosby would kill themselfes, the world would be a better place
Men like that would never do us that favor. They feed off of others.
Sometimes the good ones have less years, and the worst end up having more. Those jerks may live to 100.
HW will be okay. He will lay low for a while to give people time to forget. Let’s be real here, this is Hollywood. Men like him are a dime a dozen. He’ll go to treatment, he’ll be contrite at some point, and he’ll be back. Is there an ongoing criminal investigation? I hear a lot of he needs to go to prison, etc — well that isn’t going to happen without a criminal investigation, charges, and a guilty plea or guilty verdict.
“I will be in their lives again” is the cue for Georgina to take the children and run the f*ck away. It’s pretty much a threat.
Arizona huh??? Canyon Ranch is a popular destination for celebs who are hiding to dry out. Canyon Ranch happens to be a mile down the road from me. If I see this a-hole out and about I’ll be sure to give him some shit and call my local media outlets. This scum doesn’t deserve a luxury spa or anything good this beautiful desert has to offer. It’s a big state though, so these are likely just vigilantly pipe dreams on my part, but just in case I’m right there is officially a game plan.
Good Ann, shame his ass 4 all of us
I still don’t understand after all this fall out with this person, how DT is still POTUS???
My thoughts exactly. Those two are cut from the same cloth.
Because liberals are at least condemning sexual assault once it is public, the alt-right still defends this kind of behaviour.
Eye roll. *Hands him gun.
This is just bullshit manipulation. Textbook. When I was 19 I was engaged to someone who would use threats of suicide/coercive control to keep me in line. Locking himself in the bathroom with razor blades when I tried to leave him after he used my head to break a mirror while choking me. Actually he did the razor blade bathroom thing more than than once. The first time I left he cut his wrists and I went back. The last time I left he used my very sharp knives from culinary school to damn near lop his wrist off. And his family told me to stay away, blamed me for what he had done. He lived and I moved far away and forbid anyone from telling him where I had gone. I never pressed charges. I was just happy to get away. But it took me a decade to recover from the emotional scars. Actually it makes me sad to sit here and realize how much I tolerated over the years then and after that I should have spoken out about. I’m 36 now. Im much stronger and I’m happily married to a lovely man. I wish I had been been stronger back then. I’m so proud of these women for coming forward and sharing their stories. Women have been silenced by fear for far too long
Yigh.
“I have to get better”
“I support everyone’s decisions while I try to get better”
“I’m sick”
You’re not sick. You’re not a victim, of yourself or anyone else.
You’re an ASSHOLE & a terrible person.
I wonder how many women felt suicidal after he sexually assaulted them? That thought probably never crossed his mind.
@ magnoliarose – Part of me agree’s. I find it hard to believe she had no idea what kind of man she married. Maybe she didn’t grasp the extent of his abuse, but in the back of her mind…its there. I believe she choose to ignore it. Part of me also thinks that maybe he manipulated the situation. He probably blamed the victims. A lot of men who cheat blame the women and a lot of wives blame the women as well.
We don’t know what has gone through her head over the years. Maybe she knew everything but didn’t know how to deal with it or how to get out. How do we know she hasn’t been abused by him. Going by that audio tape, imagine how he is with her. Maybe she has regretted her choice to be with him for reasons other than love and is a changed woman. We don’t know what her childhood was like, maybe she was being pushed by others to join this merger with Harvey. She could genuinely be heartbroken for what has gone on and hates him and is on the women’s side. Like people have said its so hard to leave an abusive relationship, I wouldn’t be surprised if she had resigned herself to this fate and with all the news about these women she felt it was safe to leave now. And with Harvey, Hollywood and marchesa, I doubt any of it was easy and simple to walk out from. She also is a mother now and I believe she would want her children to grow up in a healthy environment with positive influences and being a good role model.
As for people saying she’s worried about her business. Let’s not forget it’s not just her, but her best friend who is her co owner and all the employees. It’s not fair they have to suffer.
I’ve been looking at footage of them together and interviews etc and my conclusion is that she was not a arrogant woman loving her life at the expense of others. In fact she comes across as meek and scared of Harvey and definitely unhappy. She’s also been rail thin and her bones showing and I’m sure that’s because of Harvey. Whether it be being bullied to stay skinny or tension. One video in Cannes she goes to hold his hand to project an image and he just yanks it off her saying something insulting. She looks hurt. She also comes across as a lovely, kind, compassionate woman in interviews and in project runway all stars. I can’t see that being an act. And people in the industry and regulars don’t have a bad word to say about her. You may say that’s because of Harvey but I do believe she will get a lot of support in spite of him and that says something of her character.
Remember Harvey did all this no else is to blame. She didn’t hurt these women. And I think it’s telling they haven’t attacked her.
I forget Harvey’s public persona was protesting at the women’s march in January. He was a staunch liberal and anti-Trump. He produced a documentary about campus rape.
And I take issue with the idea that his business partners, Co producers like Affleck, Clooney, Damon, Michael Eisner, Jeff Katzenberg were not knowing about his assault because when there are hundreds of millions on the line, you generally are aware of ALL issues that can cost you money – such as having a sexual assaulter who has tons of NDAs you have funded or were informed of since they affect a movie bottom line. Plus Rose calling Affleck, Eisner, Damon and the board out.
But Georgina was his wife and they were business partners, but the boundaries are so different there. Rose is not calling Georgina out. Doesn’t that tell you something?
Reports say their wedding day she was actually glowing and was genuinely happy and seemed so in love with Harvey. And he could be really charismatic and command a room -just watch him on Graham Norton telling a story about Judi Dench having HW tattoeed on her butt. Yes, I found him kind of a good storyteller, as we forget most narcissists can be. We forget that mask people can wear.
Just speaking as someone who was involved in an abusive relationship –
maybe Georgina’s father had some very similar traits as Harvey, or maybe Harvey or others told her that women always accuse a rich and powerful man of indiscretions so that is why she dismissed any complaints.
Maybe she grew up with abuse, but did not hear it called out, in which case your ideas of what are ok/not ok are very, very messed up.
it always bothered me when therapists call people who stay with narcissists co-narcissists who are contributing to the poor relationship pattern, or that we call those who stay with substance abusers enablers.
Isn’t there a clear villain and a clear victim? The narcissist is the one lacking empathy, the substance abuser is the one with a substance abuse disorder. The other partner is faultless, aren’t they? When really they might have bought into messed up family patterns or other myths to rationalize their mistreatment, and that needs addressing just as much as the narc/substance abuser needs therapy.
I just Think we cannot know what happened to make someone stay or think narcissist behavior is ok, or understand what makes someone rationalize that, unless you have been there.
And of course harvey is a rapist on top of being an abusive narcissistic piece of sh*t. IDK I guess I think if the abuse victims are not calling out Georgina, despite working in Hollywood, and calling out the board, Bob, others, let us follow in their shoes.
It seems more respectful to them to follow their lead?
I don’t believe she should be called out at all. She is not the abuser, and I have a problem calling anyone out over Harvey. He is the rapist. He created this whole thing by his actions. I believe everyone in his orbit was manipulated by him to a certain degree and I think it is telling that his brother waited until their mother died before giving him the ax. Bob is no prize, but he got fed up with him quite often, and they didn’t speak for long stretches of time. I don’t know why.
One of his victims said something interesting and said men like Harvey save their worst sides to show to their victims and very often the men they respect have no idea how bad they are. I think Katzenberg knew Harvey was problematic with women and had a sleazy way but I don’t believe he knew everything about him. I don’t think anyone truly knew him except his brother, but I think even he didn’t know everything.
Now for many people, the entire picture is revealed, and they can no longer be complicit in the dark. Now they have to see him as the predator he clearly is.
I think some wives are more sympathetic than others, but it has more to do with them than it does with the scandals or their husband’s crimes. I honestly don’t see her as any different from 45’s wives or Eniko Hart. But like I said up thread it is about Harvey, not her shortcomings.
I do however wonder why people name Melania’s interviews as reasons she is different when we know he is a bully, and she likely had to do what he said. Georgina comes in a more sophisticated presentation now and is more palatable than Melania, but it doesn’t mean they aren’t cut off the same cloth or didn’t marry for similar reasons.
Lacking sympathy isn’t equal to blaming her.
Treatment? He’s a criminal. Is there a treatment for that?
He is beyond words… I just saw this clip of him talking to the paparazzi on his way to a car. Actually I have seen it three times in the last hour while switching channels for various evening news (I am in Europe). The clip where he says he is not well and has the audacity to mention “second chances”. Fucking hell! Apparently he sees himself as entitled to get those after his treatment. I bet he absolutely thinks he is the one being wronged here. His saying he realizes he has hurt people is pure window dressing. Hollow words his lawyers probably dictated.
And going to that treatment clinic, sorry, in this case I consider this joke: treatment for sex addiction or some such motto my ass. The way I see it this is primarily about power. Of course where young women were concerned he tied it in with sex, but I doubt that some irresistable sexual drive or other treatable thing was the main motivator here. The man is a bully and a predator who tormented women and probably also men – see the male friend Beckinsale mentions on her instagram who Weinstein threatened to shut out of jobs – however he seemed fit, all the time, over decades. Not to downplay the sexual abuse and assault side of this in any way, on the contrary, it is the most vile and horrible way to insert the power he wielded. He is a criminal. The question is whether the now investigating US and UK police will find something that lets them actually prosecute.
On a side note, while I am typing this, right now in the background, I heard Trump waffle about others now respecting the USA again (news is still on, I usually switch channels or turn off the sound, because I honestly cannot stand to listen to him). Don’t even know what this was about, but the whole world looks at America with a mixture of disbelief, dread and a suppressed urge to descent into hysterical cry-laughter, more so with each advancing day of his presidency. Wether it’s him or men like Weinstein, it’s like these narcissist assholes live in a completely different universe removed from all common sense, decency, humanity or basically any positive human trait.
I feel like his suicial claims are more manipulation.
Well, he’s a sexual abuse addict who has just been cut off from his supply, plus been exposed, shamed and hopefully in the future ostracized, so it’s entirely possible. No sympathy here regardless.
“Their relationship was always authentic”? RU kidding me? It was an authentically fair trade – her looks and youth for his money and connections. She’s not the first person to have made this trade (male or female) but authentically in love with him? I find that hard to believe.
I’m waiting for the SVU episode in…3..2..1
I completely doubt that she ever was in love with him and it was a real relationship. She married an unattractive fat guy 25 years her senior, just as she was building her fashion career. Come on! Don’t pee on our feet and tell us it’s raining. While he is repulsive for his actions, I think she is just a gold digger who married him for fame and fortune and while none of this is her fault, I think she knew all along what he was like and only left when it became bad for her image to stay.