It feels like forever since BFFs Michelle Obama and Prince Harry have been together! Michelle didn’t go to the Invictus Games this year, so Harry just had to send his love to Michelle through Michelle’s husband. Michelle and Harry worked together closely on veterans’ issues when the Obamas were in office, and Michelle seemed genuinely giddy and flirty whenever she was around the charming ginger prince. So is it any surprise that Harry would fly all the way to Chicago just to attend the first-ever Obama Foundation Summit? He even made sure to spend some time doing something Michelle wanted to do, which was visiting students at the Hyde Park Academy on the South Side. OMG you guys. I wish this was a documentary: Michelle showing Harry around the South Side of Chicago. You can read more about that stop here.
Harry was actually in Chicago to give a one-on-one talk at the summit, which he did for an hour. Here’s the video:
Harry spoke with Mellody Hobson, and they discussed how “youth can be the drivers of community engagement and development.” They also discussed his mom, and Harry said:
“I think she had a lot in common with everybody but also she certainly listened in a very, very short space of time. In society we suffer from this illusion or this reality where some problems get so big that nobody wants to get involved. She was the one that changed that. I will always look up to her as being my ideal role model.”
“The younger generation of the world has turned me into an optimist…they have the solutions to some of the world’s biggest problems. We have to listen to the younger generation because they are the cure to some of the world’s biggest problems—they are the cure of many communities as well.”
That’s lovely but I still would rather know what Michelle asked him about Meghan Markle and what he told Michelle about Meghan. Is that wrong? On one side, I think Michelle would be a little bit (a tiny bit) jealous that her dream boyfriend has a fiancee. On the other side, I think Michelle would be overwhelmingly happy for him. And please, you know Michelle and Harry spent time together away from everybody. I’m positive that they had a nice long chat about Harry’s future marriage.
Photos courtesy of Instagram, Getty.
Michelle has the greatest man in the world so I think she’s happy with whomever Harry marries. I see Michelle as someone who is thrilled for other people’s joy.
I personally don’t think Harry is that great of a catch but if you want to marry money I guess he’s kind of OK.
I agree. She’s one half of the greatest couples. She is doubtfully jealous.
I was taken aback by saying she’s flirty with Harry, jealous of Megan, and he’s her dream boyfriend. Even if in jest. Michelle smiles with everyone, shes especially animated in projects she passionate about. Let’s not make her into gossip fodder of a giggling school girl. By that same definition she was flirting with The Queen by putting her arm around her.
@Royalsparkle – And clearly Harry has a personal relationship with the Obamas and wanted to contribute to their new venture. I like Harry and all, but let’s not pretend that the Obamas need him to grab headlines. They have star power and gravitas all their own. They don’t need to “use” Prince Harry for anything.
A huge gift to the US? I mean, hats off to Harry for all his work on the IG, but he got the idea from the already existing US Warrior Games. And, as lobbit says, the Obamas have plenty of star power themselves; they’re not “using” him.
Because Michelle Obama is an accomplished woman of a certain maturity, the idea that she’d be dreaming about Harry is really odd to me.
Sure, I could probably picture Susan Sarandon doing this, but Michelle Obama?
I was going to say, Michelle’s husband isn’t exactly a consolation prize, he’s one of the best (public) men in the world.
I agree!!! Really? Michelle is jealous of Meghan? Come on, you’re pulling our leg? RIght? 🙂
Ivy League Educated lawyer Michelle Obama, married to Ivy League educated lawyer Barack, who was also President of the United States for 8 years, is jealous of an actress in a cable tv show marrying a prince who doesn’t have our equivalent of an Associates degree in college and is basically unemployed? Unless you count the 80 or so hours of charity work he does each YEAR and the one to two weeks where he is the face of his charity, while everyone else does the work?
I think Michelle got the far superior end of the bargain here. Plus, Barack seems like he is a very loyal husband. We shall see about Harry, but if rumors are true about all of the BRF, that may be a bit challenging for him.
OMG, this wins the most absurd statement of 2016.
These two together are the best!!! I hope Harry has a huge glorious wedding and the Obamas attend and the headlines and press drive 45 crazy with jealousy.
Icing meet cake.
+1
Ditto!
“Prince Harry invites old news Obamas to wedding! Crazy!! Maybe not a good guy after all! Monarchy overrated!!!!”
Ha! I can just imagine 45 tweeting something this. Bad-mouthing and belittling his “competition” makes him feel like a big man.
Ankhel,
I’m cracking up; that sounds exactly like Trump would say – word for word.
@Ankhel,
Ahhaha, sounds just like what the doofus would say. And I have no problem berating him now for it — cuz we know he’s going to -the jerk.
God that would be beautiful.
They are a power couple! I would LOVE for them to do this more regularly. I’m hoping that maybe when Meghan is (fingers crossed) a permanent part of the picture, that the joins in. I like nice, lovely people who enjoy their lives and use their privilege to help others. I think they’re great people, and it makes me happy to see them working together!
I saw this on Instagram and immediately squee’d!! I’m glad they’ve maintained a friendship after Obama left the WH. I love our near-daily reminders about what warm and likable people the O’s are. (Not even gonna think about the comparison right now because it might make me cry)
Pretty sure Michelle is not jealous at all. Barack has all the moves and isn’t spoiled (or lazy). Don’t think Michelle would ever want a Harry. That being said I think she probs gave him some marriage advice for sure.
I wish I was at the summit I watched the live stream and it looked awesome
What is it with shipping people together who are close but not romantic? William and Jecca, Harry and Michelle? It’s off-putting and extremely disrespectful to the women involved who have full agency over their personal relationships, emotions and choices.
I agree!
Prince Harry is looking more and more like Prince Philip every day, not sure if this is a good or bad thing?
Vintage Phil, yes. Now…no.
+1000
And potential King Henry seem to have gotten much more gorgeous – hugh difference of maturity – beautiful well maintained hair facial – attires….sooo much more MALE!
Could we drop the King Henry please!
Maria – RS always refers to Harry, as some variation of “potential King Henry”. She’s not going to stop, no matter who it annoys. Let her have it, it seems to give her great pleasure to type those words. No big deal.
I love their friendship for many reasons but mostly because I’m hoping that the Obamas get invited to the wedding and not the Trumps. Twitler will be seething!
Even if they are invited it will be Protocol for former Pres aporoval to be included as part if US Delegation representing with current WH/Pres selection. As a former Pres – Obama cant just attend global events like a Royal Wedding outside the US (unless private), without some communication with current WH.
Oh please, let said communication be this telegram:
“Hi. Am going to royal wedding. Yes. Now you know. Ha. Ha. Barry.”
Unless the wedding is designated a state affair there is no protocol for invitations.
It would be private, and BTW W&K did not invite the Obamas to their wedding. I see no reason why Harry would have to include 45 on the list of invitees, nor would there be a formal US delegation to the event. If Harry wanted to invite the Obamas, they’d be invited.
@thread – nota
Agree, the Obamas would/could be invited and current ignored – State affair would be different for the RF. Protocol lies with the US Presidents (or use to.)
There is NO WAY Obama needs to have anything he does approved by the Orange Dotard Moron. He may have his assistant let the White House KNOW that he is going, but the Obamas are now private citizens and can go anywhere they want in the world.
Markle was in the #imwithher camp on instagram, no way the Trumps are going to be invited. Yes way the Obamas will attend. I’d put money on it.
I’m with you.
And I with you sister
The royal forums are filled with Trump supporters (no wonder now why they hate Meghan so much!) One of the things that cracked me up was how there was a discussion about how if Harry marries Meghan, that will be a “back door for the Obama’s into Buckingham Palace!” OMG.
It was hilarious how they were all defending Trump against the one, lone Trump dissenter and how much better Melania was than Michelle but the idea that the Obama’s are now going to have influence over the BRF through Meghan and make it “liberal and Hollywood” and then bring it all down from the inside, was one of the craziest things I’ve read!
I adore this idea. Please, Barack and Michelle, exert your influence over the BRF through Meghan and bring it down from the inside. That’s so insane it kind of loops back on itself.
@susannah – i’ve realized that a lot of “royalists” are sort of right wing, so the opposition to Meghan that I’ve seen on royal forums and even at the Daily Mail makes a lot more sense now. I feel like folks that are more liberal-leaning want to be done with the monarchy entirely.
It’s a peculiar position for Meghan, isn’t it? To be sort of rejected by two demographics for entirely different reasons.
That would be wonderful.
I’ve seen the racists (ie. we only believe in royal blood and royals marrying other royals, obsessed with the Almanach de Gotha) on some forums. The pro-Trump that has shown up on some forums recently surprised me.
If the Trumps get invited I really hope it just Melania and not Trump himself…his presence would ruin everything!
Reunited and it feels so good. I think he really likes both Obamas and they like him. My hope is that she gave him lasting love and marriage advice. My fantasy is that Meghan is secretly in Chicago and has been able to meet the Obamas. On another note, I watched the discussion between Mellody Hobson, Harry and the 2 youth leaders. Mellody was pushing all of them as though she worked for TMZ or Jerry Springer to get salacious details. They all, appropriately, wanted to talk about the importance of youth empowerment (with Harry talking like his youth is behind him!!), and she was pushing him to talk smack about the way patronages work for the older generation of the RF, when he kept emphasizing that he and the Cambridges are focusing their work on bringing together organizations across sectors and leveraging best practices. She annoyed me, but the two young people and Harry stayed on message (even when she kept pressing the young woman from Nottingham to tell us more about her ‘criminal’ past. Rude.) Harry echoed many of the earlier speakers, including Obama, in expressing the optimism he has about the younger generation. Good going, Harry.
Considering she’s married to George Lucas, who’s renowned for his privacy, it surprises me that she would be trying to get them to dig the dirt.
It was very bizarre how she kept pressing, especially to Harry about why the new generation’s vision of philanthropy is “better” than the queen’s. It felt almost like she was baiting him. He carried himself well, and both of the youth speakers were great!
I too am hoping that Meghan is secretly in Chicago. They are very good at keeping their movements private.
They are planning vacationing together! Maybe the Obamas could be godparents!
Vacationing together??
Very nice. Now could we move on and get an announcement, pretty please…..!
When asked about public service Harry said he thought it was incredibly inspiring how much Diana was able to accomplish despite “how badly she was treated.” Very telling.
He’s bitter. It’s understandable, but for the sake of his mental health, he needs to work on letting that hurt go.
Agree. I think when he becomes a parent it will bring him some healing.
Harry is the embodiment of white privilege. Lazy, do-little, but looks good because he’s compared to his older brother who does even less. He gets overwhelming credit for the tiny things he actually does. I don’t understand the fascination with him, the soon to be 6th in line for the British throne.
To be honest, my view as a WOC is being a good looking white dude, who is mediocre, let’s you get all kind of passes IMO.
Haven’t you heard? He’s POTENTIAL KING HENRY!! *gag*
But at least he is using that privelage to do something positive.
Harry uses his privilege to work once in a while. He works maybe 80 hours a year and then a few weeks on his big charities, coming in after the work is all done.
His father works hard. Camilla works hard. Diana was a work horse. Harry?? He does the minimum, and seems to love the life of leisure provided to him by the British citizens.
None of them works as much as they could or should, Charles included.
“The Windsors are very good at working three days a week, five months of the year and making it look as though they work hard.” Mark Bolland, former BRF press officer.
Prince Harry didn’t ask to be born into the BRF. All things considered, except for a couple of dumb lapses in judgement which ALL young men and many women go through in their adolescence and early twenties, he’s done a fine job. He did 2 tours of duty in Afghanistan, has worked diligently for and founded a number of charities like Sentebale, works full-time with the Invictus Games, does FAR more public service and charitable work than his lazy-ass brother and sister-in-law and is doing the best he can with the hand he’s been dealt. At least he’s not getting sh*t-faced in ski resorts and dad-dancing with “models” like his brother who, despite being the married father of 2, soon to be 3, kids, seems not to have read the memo that you have to work for the people you represent and the lavish lifestyle you live.
Will didn’t ask to be born into the BRF ether and wasn’t Harry drunk (may have been doing drugs) and naked with some girls that may or may not have been hookers in Vegas .
No, they were not hookers FFS. They were twenty-something women on vacation in Vegas who stumbled over a prince. Was playing strip poker (esp without taking away cell phones) a stupid thing for Harry to do? Yes. And he was single at the time and about to ship out to a war zone. If there had been drugs involved, the evidence would have been seen along with;in the photos, so nope, no drugs.
vs. the married older brother who was getting sh!t faced and hanging out with other women on a wife-and-kids free holiday. Turns out that weekend, the wife was also off skiing and partying on her sister’s hen weekend. So much for “we can’t leave the kids alone” angle. No problem with both parents going away on separate vacations the same weekend.
Absolutely. Compare him with Michelle or Barack, neither of whom were born into privilege and had the added disadvantage of being black in the US. THey are both my age exactly, 55, and this country was horrible in the 60s and 70s around race issues, their formative years.
Now consider they both got into Ivy League colleges and then Ivy League law schools and you get an idea of how remarkable they both were, especially Michelle. To compare them to a man who is generally a do-nothing even when born with two silver spoons in his mouth and a royal title, who has about the same level of education as the typical Trump voter – that really annoys me.
Michelle Obama enjoys chatting with Harry, I’m sure, but to even kid that she has a crush on him, or is jealous of Meghan, is really unfair to her. She is one of the most remarkable women of my generation, and Harry is so unremarkable that he should really be ashamed at how unremarkable and unaccomplished he is. Meghan is more accomplished, but still, she isn’t even in the same league as Michelle. Maybe she could have been, but she decided to act for a living, not go to an Ivy league law school.
Why are you blaming Harry, he did not ask to be born into the RF. I think he does a good job and his parents should be proud. Why should princes and princess be like the rest of us? If they did 9-5 jobs they would not be royal. What is wrong with working three days a week if you are royal? I would not trade their goldfish bowl life, with everybody endlessly commenting about them, for anything, sounds like a nightmare life in the 21st century age of social media. I say leave them be.
Meghan graduated from Northwestern University in 2003, with a duel degree in International Relations and Drama. So, she’s not exactly illiterate. She’ll be fine.
Hoping Michelle Obama ends up on the Sentebale board one day soon.
“On one side, I think Michelle would be a little bit (a tiny bit) jealous that her dream boyfriend has a fiancee”
I don’t. I think she likes Harry as a person, but I don’t think she sees him as her dream boyfriend.
She doesn’t need a dream boyfriend; she already has a dream husband.
“Michelle’s like Beyoncé in that song, ‘Let me upgrade ya!’ She upgraded me. There’s no doubt I’m a better man having spent time with Michelle. I would never say that Michelle’s a better woman, but I will say she’s a little more patient.” – Barack Obama
“You were asking earlier what keeps me sane, what keeps me balanced, what allows me to deal with the pressure. It is this young lady right here… Not only has she been a great first lady, she is just my rock. I count on her in so many ways every single day.” – Barack Obama
“Having said all those things, the quality I love most about her is, she’s honest and genuine. I think that comes across to people. They get a sense that they can trust her. You know, the word “authenticity” is overused these days. But I do think it captures what folks are looking for–not just in leaders, but also in friends and in coworkers–and that is, folks who are on the level. People like that tell you what they think and don’t have a bunch of hidden motives. That’s who Michelle is.” – Barack Obama
Yes, and I see Meghan developing some of Michelle’s qualities and ability to inspire others. I have always preferred Michelle over her husband, who I do not think is a great speaker, contrary to what many say.
Nota
You win the internet today.
Michelle Obama, an Ivy League educated Af-Am woman’s, dream bf is a British prince who dressed up in a Nazi costume? I know you’re kidding but still that’s a flop.
At least her dream boyfriend isn’t the older brother who according to the costume shop keeper 1) picked out the costume 2) goaded his idiot younger brother in to wearing it and 3) went to the same party dressed as an “African Native” which was admitted by the shopkeeper and changed to “lion” by the heir’s-a$$-kissing press.
@notasugarhere
You sound really desperate to absolve PH of doing something he did as an adult. It’s tired and no one is falling for it. Please stop. You go on multiple sites stating the same comment.
I’m not absolving Harry of it; he has often acted like an idiot, which he should own. All too often, those going on about the costume either 1) don’t know all the facts or 2) pretend not to. IMO William’s role in it and his own racist costume should get equal play every single time people harp about Harry’s costume.
No. Harry does NOT get a pass on this. He was in his 20s.
This sounds like Huckabee Sanders and all of the others saying that Papadopoulos is only 29, how could he know?? Once you hit 18 and are treated as an adult, adult rules apply. I mean, I get that young people in their 20s do stupid things, but dressing as a freaking Nazi is WELL beyond stupid.
And we’re not talking about William here. When people talk about William, mention his costume, And I don’t remember what it was, but a Nazi costume just hits every decent human in the same place emotionally. There is that, too.
@notasugarhere
Was Prince William pictured wearing the costume? Not to say it didn’t happen but guess what, he didn’t get caught! You keep bringing up this story about the shop keeper & William as if that’s going to make the fact that PH wore a Nazi costume in public go away. Jesse James was caught wearing a Nazi hat in a private photo and was publicly dragged for it (rightfully so). This isn’t the time to pick and choose who gets shamed for playing around with Nazi items.
I’m not giving Harry a pass, but unlike some others, I’m not giving William a pass on this either. You bring up Harry’s costume, I’ll bring up William’s too.
Is William’s racist “costume” more palatable to you because he “didn’t get caught”?
And yes, William did get caught (and photographed and quotes from the shop keepers) but the press covered it up and/or focused on Harry. Just like they did the time Wm got behind the wheel of a car clearly intoxicated and drove away. Caught on video and film and gee, crickets. Just like the two times William shot endangered birds. And the stairwell CCTV in flagrante episode. etc. etc. etc.
They’ve both done stupid things. Harry’s were published and flaunted, William’s were covered up. Even on the “partying” issues, when William himself admitted in an interview that he’s always partied more than Harry but the press only reported on Harry. William himself admitted that, which is one of the few decent things we’ve seen him do publicly regarding his brother.
@notasugarhere
I’ve never seen a picture of William in a African native costume but I have seen PH in a Nazi costume. If William was dumb enough to be photographed wearing a Nazi costume he would be the one constantly getting dragged for it. This isn’t a personal dislike or hatred for PH, it’s just something that will constantly be with him. POC make mistakes all the time and guess what they can get killed for it; so at least PH is alive to try to atone for his sins.
Yes William was photographed, if you dig hard enough, you’ll find it out on royal forums or social media. When the press covers it up and calls it a “lion” costume (when the shop keeper said otherwise)? Then people pretend it never happened. Because #protectthegoldenheir has been in play for 20+ years.
@notasugarhere
You post about this on multiple sites but you don’t have a link on hand or the photo saved to your desktop. You want to convince me with no evidence or receipts. I’m no fan of William but your perceived obsession with rescuing PH by deflecting to PW is weird. They both aren’t great.
Not to bring this tired story up again, but god can we stop treating grown men like kids? Harry put on the outfit, period point blank. He knew what it stood for and regardless of if he was goaded or not he put it on. Just because someone has an bad idea and you do it, doesn’t mean that you aren’t responsible.
He is responsible for his own behavior.
He could have easily said, “no” and that would be that. We aren’t talking about a 2-year-old and an 5-year-old, we’re talking two adult ignorant men.
Every time this tired story comes up someone goes “will was he the one who recommended it” Okay?
Harry wasn’t held hostage and forced to wear that costume.
Thing 1: Legally we are seen as adults at 18 however the frontal cortex (the center we use to make decisions) is not fully formed until we are 24/25 years of age. So those of you pulling up a fool hardy decision made by a 21 year old man as somehow being indicative of who he is are being ridiculous. THING 2: Barack was once 21 as well and his decision making during that time reflected his immature reasoning as well. He was clearly more aware of racial issues because of his heritage BUT if you read his book you will see that he struggled with his identity and used his Cauc mother to ingratiate himself with Caucasian friends. So by all means, Harry is responsible for his actions but let’s put it into proper perspective and he seemed to have learned his lesson and once he knew better has for the most part done better. All of you throwing stones I’d love to see your decisions at 18-25 plastered publicly to see how they stack up.
I would hate to see my 18’s and 20’s put on blast, and I’ve said in every one of my comments that he and Will aren’t those people anymore.
It doesn’t matter if he was 20 or 40, it was a dumb decision (as we all make) so regardless he was wrong and should’ve known better. We all do stuff that we should’ve known better about.
However, undeveloped brain or not, Obama wasn’t the president in his youth, H & W knew thier positions, everyone knows that dressing as a Nazi and Indian wear (as a costume) is a No No. That’s common Knowledge.
@rinserepeat – thank you. If I still had to pay for the stupid mistakes I made at age 18 or 20 or 22 I’d be lying on a psychiatrist’s couch. Humans make mistakes, humans also make amends and apologies for those mistakes and deserve to be given credit for owning up and getting on with their lives as they mature and become better human beings.
@ShaunaShyBlackGurl: NO. You know/knew not everyone knows what you know and to presume they do is silly. Despite knowing their positions since birth both Harry and William are still human. They are subject to the same hormonal/biological changes of every other person.
To hold them apart is to do the same thing you are accusing @notasugar of doing in reverse. It also disregards the FACT that BOTH young men had such limited world views at that point in their lives. Their worlds consisted of those in their immediate circle. They had/have no real means of learning/interacting with ppl outside of their limited sphere. Funny (not as in ha ha) that the world expanded and Harry was better able to appreciate his privilege AFTER being in the military and coming into closer contact with those who have real world struggles (not that theirs are less real just very different) to deal with.
Know better…Do better. No matter who you are and what you were born with.
@rinserepeat, I teach kids in their late teens and work with kids with substance issues into their early 20s, and you are right: the prefrontal cortex isn’t developed until about 25 in a male. That is why 18 year olds make such good soldiers.
However, I would expect 99.9% of 18 year olds I know to understand that a Nazi outfit isn’t a good idea. Even the ones that aren’t that smart. And I would also love to do a test: if we found out that Ben Affleck, at 21, had sexually harassed a woman on set, or some actor not liked here in his early 20s had sexually harassed some woman, I bet most folks here would NOT be giving that guy a pass.
As women, we need to hold all men to the same standards, whether we like them or don’t like them. I think Harry is generally harmless, lazy and entitled, but not a malevolent man, and I also think he showed he is a racist jerk by wearing that costume.
@Maren, as a woman we need to hold ALL ppl to the same standard and 1. Your percentage is wrong but Harry for many reasons would be in the 1% you seem to think might not be aware. 2. I’m not giving Harry a pass I’m saying who he (or Ben Affleck) is as a person should not be defined by how his familiarity with a friend overheard by a 3rd party might seem to those outside the relationship or by his poor choice as a 21 year old. 3. I am saying now that he has learned better we should judge who he is by his deeds. Since obtaining a broader view of the world and getting some distance from the abnormal closeness he had with his older brother Harry is for the most part focusing on the greater good. His ACTIONS show that he has not internalized ethnic bias despite his poor choices in youth. Ben Affleck has not really changed in his treatment of women. I don’t know his age when he groped those women BUT I do know that his behavior with women still shows that he sees them as objects for his pleasure with little to no worth beyond that. Hope that clarifies my opinion. Which can be summed up as:
Know better do better.
@rinserepeat
I’m really confused as to why the hell you brought Barack Obama into the conversation about PH wearing a Nazi costume. I don’t remember B.O. doing anything that dumb and racist in his youth so your desire to compare and contrast is absolutely unnecessary.
You may want to read up thread because @Maren for 1 and others are comparing Harry to Barry and finding Harry lacking. I’m simply saying that even though Barry was more aware of ethnic issues because of his life experience even he (as exalted as he apparently is) made foolish mistakes in general and even some around ethnicity.
I don’t have a need to compare or contrast. To me ppl are ppl and ALL of us are imperfect to say the least. None of us should be judged by errors in judgement before we can fully comprehend the consequences of our actions and those actions SHOULD be put into perspective and compared to who we are once we do have the ABILITY to fully appreciate our actions and the effects thereof.
@rinserepeat
You sound like Fox News; deflect, distract, Barack Obama.
His name shouldn’t have come up in this particular conversation.
Yeah, and with that bit of ridiculousness @Jessica we are finished. You see to me you sound like someone at Fox who is crippled with one dimensional thinking and when presented with FACTS resorts to the time tested FOX fall back argument of “I’m rubber you’re glue.”
A. I haven’t deflected from anything. B. I didn’t distract from anything. C. I didn’t blame Barack for anything.
I spoke simple truth. All ppl Barack Obama included make foolish mistakes in youth. Harry even though heavily influenced by his brother is responsible for his actions and he should be judged by who he has shown himself to be since becoming a fully formed adult.
Have a nice evening
What kind of defense is that? We already know the older brother is trash but the redhead version is no better. Again, y’all really need to stop treating white men, like they’re children.
Exactly. This story is tired as I said above.
Though the same person always says this every time it comes up as if it means something.
They both grew up and yeah ppl are going to be offended by their actions, sure, but seriously saying that Will goaded him into it is no excuse.
I’m just shocked either of them thought it was an okay idea. I know they were young, but I always thought you learned right away from childhood that the Nazi thing is the biggest no-no ever.
But dressing up as an “African Native” at the same party is a-okay?
Huh?
It’s childish. Instead of saying, “Harry has made some dumb mistakes it’s not the time or place to talk about it” you went to the same defense you use every time.
“It was Will’s fault! He wore a bad costume as well!” that’s literally trying to deflect blame.
Yes, Will was equally wrong in his outfit, but you always try to absolve Harry’s responsibility every time this topic comes up by saying “Will made him do it!”
No one is forgetting what Will did, we just weren’t talking about WIll.
You did this last time with another person, bringing up Kate for no reason.
It’s not a contest in whose wrong, they both were jerks. I just find something very…wrong in treating a grown man like a kid who has no agency.Especially a very privileged white man.
The story is old and I don’t get why people bring it up, however, I understand why ppl were and still are offended.
The bottom line is he wore the outfit, no matter how you twist or turn it, he didn’t have a gun to his head to wear it. Just like Will didn’t have a gun to his head to wear his offensive outfit.
It’s not a contest in whose wronger, no, they both are wrong for being insensitive jerks back then.
@ ShaunaShyBlackGurl
Thank You. I’m so tired of that agreement. I mean unless William put a gun to his head, then Harry wore the costume of his own free will. He did something stupid and offensive and hopefully he learned from it.
Do you not see the part upthread where I state I don’t absolve Harry of his choice and that it was a stupid/idiotic thing to do? My point remains: all too often people go on and on about Harry’s outfit when they either 1) don’t know or 2) don’t care about William’s racist one.
NOTA you really damage your cred trying to pin this one on William. In some ways it’s even WORSE he was so easily led by his brother. You really, really need to let Harry have agency for this and stop deflecting.
Not deflecting, nor do I ignore William’s power over Harry and William’s own racist costume. Harry has a weird submissiveness towards his older brother. Partly because of Diana’s instilling in him that William needed his support and partly because kowtowing to William and his temper probably makes Harry’s life easier.
All in All, Will & Harry were insensitive jerks in the past, No one is perfect and they grew past it. Though let’s not make excuses for Adult making decisions.
Agree. And I lurve your screen name. That is all.
Some of us are apt to make life choices much more simple than they actually are. We are complex creatures and so much goes into our becoming fully realized adults. @notasugar is NOT saying Harry isn’t responsible for his actions or that it was William’s fault. She is acknowledging Harry’s reality in understanding why he made that particular choice.
Harry lost his mother at 12 and his father brought the woman who was central to her misery into his life as a mother figure. His bond with his older brother is central to who he is/was because he was also a surrogate parent. To diminish that impact along with the FACT he’s been groomed since birth to defer to William is foolish. William has/had undue pull w/Harry. His pushing Harry is EXTREMELY relevant to that poor decision. It doesn’t change the FACT that it was Harry’s choice BUT it does mitigate it. Esp. when you see who Harry has become after getting distance from William and perspective. She is saying it was NOT Harry’s idea and likely he would NOT have made that decision without Williams goading. Again she is not saying Harry is blameless.
Boys will be boys, I guess.
No, Hardly. More like ppl are imperfect and make mistakes. Nothing happens in a vacuum and even if your world is black and white mine is colored by shades of gray. Our choices are part of us and in this case…@notasugar is not arguing that Harry isn’t responsible she is saying his decision was heavily affected by someone who held undue sway over him.
Still he made the choice and he is responsible for his choice. Who he is now that he is a fully realized person is NOT defined by that choice but RATHER who he has shown himself to be through his works since becoming a fully formed adult.
I’ve said an million times they have grown as people. So..Idk what else to say.
I like MObama’s new wedding set! Though it’s a bit trendy and I hope she’ll also continue to wear her original yellow gold set as well. I also always love her manicures.
Prince Harry hopes he can someday be as fly as Michelle’s man is. She is not studying him. Trust.
Also, I love Mellody. I’m probably going to watch the video now because she’s in it.
Harry is the one who dressed as a Nazi no one held a gun to his head what people tend to forget is it was a native and colonial party which given the British royal family ruled why the government was oppressing people and stealing money and resources in mainly African countries is shocking.
he also called a Pakistani solider a paki and a rag head which is racist in Britain which was brushed over which is why most people thought him bringing up racism in his statement about Meghan was laughable .
not a sugar here constantly blames William for all Harry’s faults he was a 20 something year old man when he did it any one one else would not be forgiving so why is he always having excuses made for him . He does the bear minimum yet is constantly praised as for sentabale prince seesio does most of the work on the ground but harry gets all of the praise because he does some fundraising playing polo and does photo ops
@Danielle….you need to put this ‘paki’ and ‘rag head’ stuff all into context. Harry was a serving soldier at the time and those were terms that his mates were using, and Harry probably trying to ‘fit in’ and be ‘one of the boys’ and used those terms and unfortunately for him he was caught out because he is a royal prince. I am quite certain that he was not using those terms in any nasty and malicious way but was very naive to join in such banter. Harry is more popular than William not because one or the other does more engagements but because Harry has more charisma and seems like a genuine people person unlike shy William who always comes across awkward and unnatural, although people have said that William is actually nice too.
This doesn’t make it any better; PW was in the military too and doesn’t have a record of racist comments. In polling William does slightly better then Harry but I understand that people find Harry more entertaining.
PW may not have a record of racist comments because nobody recorded them.
Princess k so the next time someone racially abuses and calls someone a n***er should we say we need to put it in to context calling some one a paki in britan is racism and a arrestable offence he also put his hand to his head in a gun sign after what context is that in then trying to fit in with his freinds is laughable id love to see the next rasict claim that defence
He’s so much more personable than his brother.
I’m done today, a million and one excuses for something stupid and old. As I’ve said probably the 50th time, they grew up.
Chicagoan here. It’s ON the South Side not in the South Side.