You know what I’ve been thinking about regarding Kevin Spacey? How much he loves tennis and male tennis players in particular. Spacey never showed any interest in women’s tennis, but he was a regular at the big men’s matches at Wimbledon and the US Open. Spacey even did the voiceover for the video intro for the 2015 US Open Men’s Final (see it here). He was a regular at the ATP World Tour Finals in London too, even though Roger Federer totally ignored him one time when Spacey so clearly wanted to speak to him after the final (see it here). While I know this isn’t the most important Spacey story, I would love to know if certain tennis players have any stories about Spacey being a total pervert to them too. Anyway, here are some of the latest Spacey stories:
Buzzfeed’s new interviews. Buzzfeed’s reporting on the Spacey issue has been great journalism, hasn’t it? I get the feeling that the Buzzfeed journalists were on the case for months, just like the reports covering Harvey Weinstein. Buzzfeed published another series of devastating interviews with men claiming various things about Spacey. One man, Justin Dawes, says that when he was 16, Spacey attempted to groom him with p0rn and liquor. One anonymous journalist (a man) says that in London, Spacey repeatedly groped him and assaulted him at a club. You can read the Buzzfeed piece here.
Harry Dreyfuss’s story. Harry Dreyfuss is the son of Richard Dreyfuss, and Harry has been around the industry and around actors all of his life. He met Kevin Spacey when he (Harry) was 18 years old. Spacey was directing Richard Dreyfuss in a play at the Old Vic in 2008, and Harry had flown to London to see his dad for Christmas. The three men – Richard, Kevin and Harry – were in Kevin’s apartment, helping Richard Dreyfuss rehearse his lines when Spacey groped him. Harry tells the story in detail – you can read it here. He was just a high school senior, an awkward kid who admired Spacey so much and had no idea what to do when it happened.
Mexican actor Roberto Cavazos says Spacey groped him. It seems more and more like Spacey’s behavior really escalated when he lived in London and ran the Old Vic. Cavazos claims Spacey assaulted him on two separate occasions.
The British police have an open investigation. The British police have a victim who claims he woke up to Spacey assaulting him. When the guy tried to leave the apartment, Spacey told him not to tell anyone.
Netflix doesn’t want Kevin Spacey anymore. After trying some ass-covering measures, Netflix and House of Cards producers have decided that if they continue with HoC season 6, they’ll need to kill off Frank Underwood, Spacey’s character. For now, Spacey has been completely suspended from the production.
It’s also worth noting that last week, in the wake of all of this, Spacey was dropped by his agents and publicist. Even Harvey Weinstein’s representatives and lawyers still stuck by him, but it seems like literally no one wants to be associated with Spacey at this point.
Photos courtesy of WENN.
Ugh, I’m so disgusted with Spacey. I’m glad his agents and publicists dropped him! I am so proud of all the people who are coming forward with their stories. Perhaps now they can begin to find peace and closure.
I think there is more to come before we achieve closure. We haven’t even gotten to the pedophiles yet.
I got into a huge fight with my BF about this the other night when talking about HoC – he kept throwing the “innocent until proven guilty” line at me. In the end he just shut it because I was losing my shit and I’m pretty sure he doesn’t want me to leave him (which I don’t, obviously).
But what do you say when even the most open minded are just so blind?
Any man who uses that line is a predator.
OR Just well ensconced in his white priviledge
I think that is WAY overstating the case. Men who use that line to defend another man are often clueless. Or they are sexist because they have an inherent distrust of women. Or they could be a predator. But what makes a predator is a person’s actions, not his use of the “innocent until proven guilty” excuse.
Thank you @eoa
There is no reason for a man to utter that misogynistic line if he does not have something to hide himself. Why else would he say that? Only people who are interested in protecting predators or themselves talk about “due process” or “innocent until proven guilty”. These phrases were designed by men to protect men.
Jesus! Maybe Snazzy’s BF just love HoC too much and didn’t know how to react with the latest development.
Until a week ago I was Kevin Spacey’s fan who has followed his career for decades, watched every movies, interviews and award shows with KS in it. I still feel very devastated. I agree with posters here that KS should be prosecuted. But there’s still a little part of me that still wish that it’s not true. But also, it doesn’t mean that I don’t trust these men who come up with their stories.
I’m not a man, and I also believe innocent until proven guilty. However, it doesn’t mean I have to watch his tv show, but I do understand people who separate it too. Doesn’t mean that person is as bad as the criminal. I think a lot of you are looking for the perfect victim, perfect reaction from others, and the most pure evil criminal, and good luck if it happens to you and your reaction and everyone else’s isn’t what you think it should be. Why do I feel like this is part of the reason we ended up with a President Trump? Looking for perfect we end up getting crap.
@noway, no one is saying that people can’t decide he is guilty or stop watching his show. Personally, I think he is guilty. I just don’t think that anyone who wants to give him the benefit of the doubt (one that Spacey doesn’t deserve) is automatically a predator who is hiding something.
Is it still misogynistic if he’s targeting men?
This is why you don’t post your business online. Now everyone thinks your man is a predator. I’m sure he’ll appreciate that 😂
@lua yes! I won’t make that mistake again. Good grief.
Only people who are interested in protecting predators or themselves talk about “due process” or “innocent until proven guilty”.
The cornerstone of our judicial system you casually dismiss is telling…it shows you to be an idiot.
@Noway: I agree. The outrage police have a whiff of fundamentalism about them sometimes.
I mean, I use “innocent until proven guilty”, and I’m not a predator, nor a man. 😮
I do believe in that in the court of law-my personal belief is another matter entirely and not subjected to such a strict criteria.
I got into a heated conversation with my bf too. He thinks social media and public media should stay out of it and things need to be addressed in the court room. Told him about how people tried to expose the predators before with no luck and now feel more powerfull to do so. He googled and presented me cases with men falsy accussed . I told him that, that is rare and in most cases victims are blamed for this or the other reason, their previous life is exposed and this only patrly while victims are not reporting their assaults. He doesn’t agree. For me is white man attitude as much as he doesn’t like my saying it .
That’s what I tell my BF too. Just go and ait on your white male priviledge and that I will alwaya believe the victims as they have never had a forum until now. Doesn’t make him a predator, just an idiot ( in my case he’a the idiot anyway. i won’t be like others and assume your BF is a predator or anything else than a man being stupid)
Why on earth would you date a misogynist?
I’m so glad my husband didn’t react like that. He loves House of Cards and liked Kevin Spacey as an actor. When the story came out (he doesn’t follow gossip, so he knew nothing of the rumors about Spacey and younger men) he was pretty disgusted and happy to see Spacey face consequences. He said “ugh what a jerk, look at how many people’s lives he has ruined.” I was like yass! He was also disgusted about Weinstein, but it’s not like he was a fan of him like he was of Spacey.
@Moon Beam-my husband too. I think he was more disgusted by Spacey because he was groping 14 year olds.
My husband is like this too–he definitely thinks false accusations are a bigger thing than they are. I tell him they are much rarer than actual assaults that go unreported and his response is always something along the lines of those false accusations still ruin someone’s life, and do I think it’s NBD to ruin a life if it belongs to a white man. With these accusations that have been coming out in the past year or so (Trump, Weinstein, Spacey) he’s not so dubious that THEY have done something wrong, since there are so many accusers, but he still thinks that for the everyday guy, being falsely accused is a serious threat. It does really worry me–we have a son and while he’s just a toddler now I really don’t want him growing up with this kind of attitude.
As to the question of why would you date/marry a misogynist: 1) this attitude is super super common, and 2) it doesn’t necessarily come up very often or very early in a relationship, and a man may be personally very respectful of women in his life when it comes to physical intimacy…while also having this kind of attitude. I think it’s coming up for a lot of people and relationships now because assault is suddenly getting a lot more front page newspace. And then the outcome is going to be different for each relationship. If this is your relatively short-term BF who you’re also having some other doubts about, yeah, maybe it is time to kick him to the curb. But if it’s the guy you’ve been with for 10+ years who is otherwise awesome and who probably would believe YOU if you came home and told him someone had assaulted you…you’re probably not going to ditch him over his reaction to news stories about people neither of you have ever even met.
My husband doesn’t doubt it and doesn’t react that way, but it is because of the business he grew up in, being married to me and seeing it and his career. Most men don’t have a father who had a company that had a lot of female employees. He was hiring women back in the 50s who were forced to work to take care of their kids or to take care of themselves. There wasn’t much turnover in that part of the business, so his father heard about abusive husbands and deadbeat fathers or men who ran off and left their families destitute.
My FIL has plenty of shortcomings when it comes to feminism, but he does believe men act like creeps and predators to women and children or other men.
But my BIL and some other male relatives and partners of friends say the same thing. I don’t get where they are coming from, and they aren’t moving from that viewpoint. My BIL wouldn’t even admit Cosby was guilty until it was impossible to deny it. I was surprised since he is a nice guy.
I don’t understand.
If the issue is coming up that your guy wants to defend Weinstein and Spacey because the trial hasn’t reached a verdict I would dump them if it bothers you. Guys tend to listen when an attitude starts costing them work and sex.
don’t want to go all “Dear Prudie” on you, but that attitude is a major character flaw and a serious red flag.
ask him how he would feel if YOU accused someone of sexual assault (or if it were his mother, sister, etc). would he believe YOU, or would he say to you “I dunno…that guy is innocent until proven guilty” and not take your word for what happened unless you pressed charges and the guy was found guilty? and what would happen if you DID press charges and the guy got off (which is what most often happens)…would your bf think you lied about what had happened?
THIS is rape culture…where the default is that women are not believed when they accuse.
Statistics show that false rape accusations are on par with false accusations of other crimes, the stats are not clear however, as what constitutes a “false” report vary from data collection sources, so from a low of 1% to a high of 8%, this variation is due to how reports are labeled for data purposes.
The bigger issue for me is the wide reporting of “false rape” these cases of the “vindictive woman targeting an innocent man” get an out of proportion amount of press, it is written about as if it was usual when clearly it is not, and really how many cases of falsely reported burglary, stolen cars, fraud do we hear about from media when placed in comparison to false rape cases in the media.
Of 1,000 cases of rape, 310 are reported to police and of that 6 rapists will be jailed.
Of 1,000 case of robberies, 619 are reported to police, of that 20 will be jailed.
it is almost like people reporting rape are not believed in our society.
https://www.rainn.org/statistics/criminal-justice-system
Its not only how they are labeled you have to take into account that male police officers will write real accustions down as false. The reality is that they are almost unheard of, there is no reason why a woman would lie about it. None. Someone also has to have a terribly sexist world view to believe women are dishonest.
Here is a Buzzfeed article showing us that you are 11 x More Likely to Be Killed by Asteroid or Comet !!!! than be false accused by rape and getting hit by a comet is not really a common thing is it.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/charlesclymer/5-things-more-likely-to-happen-to-you-than-being-f-fmeu?utm_term=.rlD11VJaY#.qwbLLZj9q
This.
Sorry but if my BF had a similar reaction to the ones described here it would be a deal-breaker. It’s true that everyone has their own limit in terms of what they tolerate from their SO but this would be unacceptable from my perspective.
I think men are starting to feel threatened. I know, boo hoo, right??? But they are used to being in charge, and not being blamed for anything. I mean, let’s be serious. We are all upset over Weinstein and Spacey and we have a serial sex offender in the White House. Sometimes I feel like I live in Bizarro World, cause things just don’t make sense anymore.
I feel your pain @snazzy..I have to stop myself from losing my $hit when me and my husband get into over equality and feminism. I love him dearly but sometimes I find myself questioning his character. His rationale when it comes to equality amongst women and men brings out such a bitter side of him. I make sure I let him have it when he says stupid ish, I just do it in a more succinct way to avoid blow ups. I think this approach has worked because I can chomp him down to size in a few sentences and he usually backs down. It took time to find a way to call on him on his bs without becoming hysterical. Men love to play the “you’re being crazy” card whenever they can.
Okay, what are your magic few sentences? I feel like my husband and I are still at the stage of it turning into a major blow unless I’m willing to back down big-time. It drives me insane and I would love to be able to shut him up about it sometimes. I basically try not to bring it up with him anymore but sometimes HE will bring it up and then it’s a huge effort not to have a fight.
I also got into a near argument—- my BF said something stupid too, along the lines of “if you know Hollywood is full of predators, then the women are partly to blame”.
I can’t believe how ignorant men really are… but I mean, should anyone be surprised 🙂
My BF is highly intelligent and sympathetic and not a macho in any way – this comment is way out of synch with the rest of him.
I tend to think, that men are truly jsut not pondering these topics on a daily basis, since it “doesnt affect them”. They dont have to worry about this, nearly ever, since “they wont be victims” (touche!!) and why fill your head with ugly thoughts….. unless you have to. They jsut go back to playing their video games and watching netflix….. while women are afraid to leave the house at certain hours.
So our men may be good men, but their thoughts on this matter are nearly NEVER mature just because they never are confronted with this. Maybe once in a year a scandal hits and then they say the first thing that comes to their minds which is usually idiotic.
I struggle also to find my place, and not be the angry, venomous victim (although we as women have every right to GD be) and instead be above it all and admire how women are the most strong and enduring of the human race. We get the least and we put up with the most. We get the most bullying actually, and “nevertheless, we persist”.
I think, men are using womens anger to be against what we are trying to say to begin with. … because we can never win. We never will win.
The whole f’ing world is owned and run by men …….
Thats the sad reality. But, each time a discussion arises, I usually try to calmly make my point and debunk the lack of logic in mens stupid statements so he realizes that he hasnt thought about what he said to begin with, and maybe shouldnt be so busy “definding men” who dont deserve to be defended.
And they call women illogical….
And the backlash is likely to hurt women in the workforce. Because men hold all the power. And instead of hiring the qualified woman in part because of how she looks (because what woman hasn’t been underestimated professionally?) they’ll hire the guy who’s less qualified but “safe.”
Thank you @teehee. This is what I do to. We’ve been together a long time, and he’s not a macho pig. He supported me 100% when Insas fighting with my boss as I made less than the men. I just feel like he’s so sheltered by his privileges he doesn’t see it. I do my best to teach him as I can
From these comments it sounds like a lot these men only care when bad stuff happens to one of them. The rest of the time they will defend other men until the evidence is proven in a court of law beyond any shadow of a doubt. It must be part of the bro code.
Sigh. I MEAN REALLY. Weinstein has almost a hundred accusers. How many of these women do these guys think are lying?
The predators still get their day in court but you already know the Spaceys and Weinsteins of the world are guilty as sin. You don’t need a trial to tell you so.
These men need to understand that one of their fellow bros don’t need to be tried in court before viewers figure out the situation and stop watching Miramax movies and House of Cards.
My only problem with ignoring “innocent until proven guilty” is that it’s a slippery slope before we start burning “witches” at the stake. Also, this is in Merica, a nation who elected to the highest office, a man with sexual assault accusations on his plate. Why can you elect one man POTUS, turning a blind eye, and then crucify another, without due process? I just don’t get it…
Yes this is what he says
I didn’t vote for 45, and he lost the popular vote, so that is a question for the people who voted for him.
The media has done an excellent job of sensationalizing any false accusations. One accusation is one thing, but multiple allegations from people who have no connection are cut and dry.
@magnoliarose…it’s a really tough topic as victims have so many reasons that they don’t come forward, and I understand that we have to believe them. After the locker room talk incident, I find it hard to believe that POTUS never behaved in a manner similar to the currently accused, and that those women were lying. Glad you didn’t vote for him – we can be friends! Sadly, I think this exists everywhere and there are a lot of powerful people behaving in an unacceptable way…
I think there’s a whole group of men out there that are shocked by the fact that Spacey’s victims are men, more so that he’s a predator. I’d hazard a guess that if the victims were female, your bf probably wouldn’t be clinging so hard to the idea of presumption of innocence.
A lot of men feel this way because
A) they have unwittingly internalised a lot of misogyny and sexism that is rampant in our culture, so they believe false stats like those the MRA’s promote about false reports, about 1 in 3 domestic assaults being women assaulting men, etc. These aren’t topics that they necessarily seek out or research so they haven’t done a lot of reading on them they just know that they’ve “heard” those “facts” and quietly agree with them. These are men who “good guys” for the most part, but they are products of our society.
B) people tend to empathise most with the people they are most similar to. So tragedies get more play if they happen in a place similar to where we live to people similar to us, because we can imagine ourselves in those shoes. We are horrified when a “normal” girl with a “normal” life gets raped and murdered out of the blue even though we didn’t care when that same perpetrator raped and killed multiple sex workers prior to this. So a lot of men find it difficult to sympathise with the victims of sexual assault because they don’t feel like it could happen to them. What they can sympathise with is being falsely accused and having their life ruined by some “crazy” person. They’ve all “heard” stories about this (see point A) and it is something they could see happening to a guy like them so that is where their greatest empathy lies. Particularly if it’s any case that’s not “stranger in the bushes” and “perfect
victim”.
C) they believe in the justice system and have no understanding of how poorly it serves victims of sexual assault.
I have found that the best way to deal with men saying these sorts of things is not to yell at them – then they get defensive and people are less willing to change their opinions when their hackles are up. I quietly and patiently explain some things to them. I explain what happened the times I was sexually assaulted and raped – me, someone they know, someone they see as “normal”, someone they can relate to and emphathise with. I explain the context, I explain my response, I explain it all in detail. They are always horrified.
Then I start to tell some of the stories of what has happened to various friends of mine. Particularly the one who was pulled out of her car and gang raped at 17, who went straight to the police and was treated appallingly by them and heavily discouraged from pursuing it. Who never saw justice, was revictimised and suffered organ damage and can never have children. This was a pretty blonde, white, 17 year old girl from a privileged background who was gang raped by an ethnic gang from a notoriously bad area. You’d think the police and justice system would eat that up. That’s pretty much their “perfect victim” and “bad brown Muslim men perpetrators” right there, they have all their tropes not to mention plenty of physical evidence. But no, they treated her so badly and weren’t interested in pursuing it. So imagine when it’s any other victim and perpetrator? How is a WOC supposed to get support? How is a male victim going to be treated? And down the bottom of the pile, how on earth is a sex worker supposed to get help and support and vindication? Or anyone else for that matter? How on earth is any victim supposed to get support when their perpetrator was powerful/famous/well-liked/rich/ a pillar of the community / some kind of “hero”?
Then I lay some stats and figures on them. RAINN stats tell us that only 6 in 1000 rapists will ever see a day in jail. How low reporting is and why. How male victims are the least likely to report. How stigma and shame and denial work in victims. How when people do report, the police often respond badly. How rarely they investigate reports. Of those they investigate, how few have charges laid. Of those with charges laid against them, how few are prosecuted. Of those prosecuted, how few are found guilty. Of those found guilty, the often pathetic sentencing. I tell them quotes from actual judges and lawyers in court to victims (these shock people because they assume that you cannot say these things anymore). I explain how invasive and awful rape kits are and how thousands of them remain untested because it’s not a “priority”.
And then I explain more background on how the majority of rapists are someone known and trusted to the victim and they usually occur in the house of the victim or someone trusted by them. I explain how the thought of people in their lives not believing them and taking the perpetrator’s side (which happens all too often) is so damaging. I explain that false reports are statistically rare, whatever they might have heard, and pull up articles saying as much from experts in the police, courts, rape crisis centres, etc. These experts say that usually when there is a false report, the person has been assaulted, just not by the person they blamed.
By this point they are primed to receive my message that it is important to support and believe people who come forward. Yes, you can keep an open stance just in case; but don’t disbelieve victims or shame them or anything like that – listen to them, respect them, support them. And if there are many people coming forward, if there are patterns of behaviour, if there are people the victims told in the past before coming forward, then the likliehood is that this is very very real.
I then send them several pertinent articles and resources (over a weeks or so, not all at once) to read up on.
It tends to work very well. If they are still unmoved? Then I’d see there are some serious issues that you should be examining there.
I took my Mom to a movie yesterday and during previews there was kevin spacey front and center for the movie, J. Paul Getty. It’s a Ridley Scott movie so it’ll be interesting to see how the promotion moves forward given this predator is the star. Perhaps just have Michelle Williams and Mark Wahlberg (who has abuse and racism issues himself?) do the stumping?
I remember seeing a preview for that a few months ago. It’s about the kidnapping of Getty’ s grandson, right? It looked good, but how on earth can they go ahead with it now? Spacey’ s role in it wasn’t small.
I haven’t seen the preview but wow that family is cinematic in how messed up they are. Even now, google Vanessa and see if that face looks mentally stable…
Yes, it’s about the kidnapping of his grandson. This is no small part for Kevin, he’s the title character in the movie. Until it listed him, I thought it looked interesting. Now I’m not going anywhere near it.
I saw the preview for that one as well. Do you think they’ll try to bury that movie now? Spacey is toxic now.
I also saw the preview of that movie and it did look good but now I expect it won’t come out till possibly next August.
I’ll feel bad for the other actors but I won’t watch that movie now. I won’t even watch LA Confidential and I loved that flick.
My friend works on House of Cards and said they’ve all been approached by the media, so get ready for that avalanche. ETA: Nevermind, it already came out. Didn’t realize it had aired already. So glad Netflix is moving forward with the show without Spacey. Robin Wright was born to lead it: Spacey won’t be missed by viewers or the crew.
We have enjoyed House of Cards, although this year wasn’t nearly as good. If Spacey had a fatal heart attack, or an accident leaving him unable to work I would have really missed him, because he was great at playing the Machiavellian Frank Underwood. But, with him out because he’s been revealed as a serial predator, I say good riddance. He’s a very talented man, and has always been in great demand. Now no one wants him and I guess he may spend a lot of his time working on a legal defense.
is common opinion specially among critics and people in the industry that Spacey’s performance, even if instrumental for the show, is just terrible and was actually the worst part of the show. This, without taking credit off him as one of the best actors of his generation, but even great actors sometimes just phone in. And Spacey’s acting was terribly lazy and over the top in HoC. Wright instead was the opposite: she is brilliant and has half the lines and screen time of Spacey. She does something really difficult: outacting Spacey’s hamminess with a very subtle and contained performance. And again, this is popular opinion by people who knows acting.
I’m curious what else your friend saw and what was the gossip on set? Did Wright knew? And Fincher and Willimon and all the pother big wigs? can you tell us more if possible?
ETA: not asking if they knew about Spacey’s tendencies and well known modus operandi : I’m sure they all did. Is not even a secret for us readers of gossip so I image all people in the industry knew and they knew about Harvey, and many others. What I’m asking is if they had knowledge about the episodes on set, because Willimon for example said he was kept in the dark about the episode happened to a PA in 2012 and the producers of MRC handled it in all secrecy and not even Netflix new.
I feel like the agent and publicist know so much more is going to come out and are heading for the hills
I was disappointed earlier in the week to see this try to be dressed as a disproportionate attack on a homosexual man. His abuse includes minors.
Hes a predator. It’s got nothing to do with his sexuality. And the way he’s spinning it makes it even more sick.
And innocent until proven guilty is not applied here. He didn’t deny it. He used it to come out…
Agents (CAA non the less) and publicist mostly certainly won’t speak unless they’re “invited” to do so in a courtroom otherwise is just non spoken rule in Hollywood if they want to keep woking with other stars to just keep their mouth shout about ex clients scandals.
Curious as to why Spacey’s agent & publicists dropped him so much quicker than Weinstein’s reps. Maybe Spacey’s people didn’t want to be pulled down quickly with him and that leads me to believe they were complicit in his behavior.
I hope there will be follow up stories that expose the enabling culture behind these sexual predators. These men couldn’t have gotten away with their assaults without help.
Absolutely. All the enablers need to be called out and brought to justice as well
I would imagine because there are children involved.
Children were involved with Polanski too. and Weinstein was treading that line as well considering, if i’m not mistaken, one of the reports is from when the woman was 17.
In Polanski’s case, look at how many celebs tried to blame the child involved by saying she was dressed like she was older. I read Anjelica Houston’s memoir and she said the girl had platforms and makeup on and was dressed as if she was an adult, so she would never have guessed she was under age. And then she went on to complain about the police searching the house and finding cocaine in her purse and it being a big inconvenience.
I thought of the under age angle, too, at first. I wish the industry reacted like this to every predator.
It’s almost as if people are OK with rape and sexual harassment when they victims are women, but not when it’s happening to the menfolk.
True, but what about Bryan Singer? Hollywood needs to smoke out all these predators. Scorched earth people!
Danny Masterson has to pay, damn it. He’s getting away with it thanks to his fucking cult paying the LAPD and DA’s office.
@NINKS
This. This is exactly what I came here to say.
Danny Masterson needs to be mentioned often. It is outrageous.
I truly think it’s because Weinstein was more powerful than Kevin Spacey, so it took a little longer for the cockroaches around him to scuttle away. The Actors don’t hold the power in Hollywood even though they’re the most famous. Kevin had producer/director credits, awards and his gig at the Old Vic, but HW was still much more powerful.
i loved Kevin Spacey as an actor. This is so disappointing and heartbreaking (not to mention infuriating)
I adored his work, some of my favourite movies are now garbage.
although apparently playing Frank underwood wasn’t a stretch for him
Me too, I had absolutely no idea he was so vile.
Again this has been known for decades. The only thing that will change things is for the system and culture to change.
And i take back my kudos for Netflix as someone reminded me they are still airing Masterson’s show even though there’s 4 open rape cases against him. Gonna have to cancel my Netflix
Agree. The system and culture has to change. Exposing the enablers would also help bring about that change. My hope is that with increased awareness of this problem, perhaps more individuals will feel empowered to defend themselves and call out this behavior….sound the alarm.
This whole thing is terrible. I feel bad for Richard Dreyfuss’ son. This man is disgusting and needs to be in jail.
I’m not convinced Netflix wasn’t aware of the harassment that was going on but it’s funny to me now when you go on Netflix, they have completely wiped his face off all the promo pics for HOC.
Yes Harry Dreyfuss’ essay was really compelling. The worst part was he did it in front of the dad while they were rehearsing. Who does that?
Spacey probably got off on the idea of doing it with the guy’s Dad in the same room. I bet it gave him a sick thrill to have so much power. He’s seriously, seriously f’ckd in the head.
Dreyfuss’ son was really brave to come forward. As sad as it is, the fact that he’s a famous actors son will help others to be believed, so I’m extremely thankful for his courage in coming forth and sharing his story. I’m sure it’s not been easy for any of them.
He deserves to be prosecuted. Let’s hope someone somewhere can make a case. Let’s face it, making an example of people is an effective deterrent among those who aren’t so deranged that they can check and correct their behavior. And then there’s people who will never stop. So we need victims to continue coming forward and prosecutors who understand how to build these types of cases and support survivors so more predators can be locked up. So yeah, people need to be prosecuted. That includes Spacey. Just outing predators won’t effectuate change. The law has to flex its muscle as an important part of change.
Prosecutions are what I want to see. And copper-bottomed industry regulation.
Until these two things happen, Hollywood can mea culpa as much as it likes – nothing will change.
I’m hoping for prosecutions in the UK where we have no statute of limitations for sex offenders, I’m also hoping that the Old Vic explain themselves and why this predator appears to have been given carte blanc to get on with it all for eleven years without intervention. I’m also hoping that if prosecutions are successful the victims with sue this bastards arse from here to buggery and bankrupt the pos. I totally agree that without some sort of legal intervention nothing will really change, the banking sector is proof if that.
The Frank Underwood character in the original British HoC was assassinated anyway, so I assumed that’s where the series was leading from the beginning. I give Netflix no points here.
I read that Netflix also dropped the picture he’d done for them about Gore Vidal. Not going to release it at all.
I read some comments by Spaceys brother that indicate they came from an abusive home, and that Spacey used acting to get away from the horrible home life. He changed his name and used his roles to be someone else. Sounds like he has a lot of demons. He’s another one who needs long-term treatment. I get an uneasy feeling that he might take himself out.
I read that too, and whilst it is sad, it’s not like he didn’t have the resources or intelligence to address the impact the abuse had on his life and take steps to make sure he didn’t abuse others. He never stopped until he was outed as a predator, which suggests that he really doesn’t care about the feelings of the people he abused. (Just like Harvey Weinstein). I think the psychology behind Spacey’s predatory behaviour is a lot more complicated than just being an abuse victim.
There’s been a recent study that dispelled the myth that most predators have been preyed upon themselves – on the contrary, turns out, most weren’t.
Thank you. As a survivor I get so sick of reading that victims of abuse go one to be abusers. No they don’t. The person whom an abuse victim is most likely to abuse is themselves.
It’s interesting in the work I do that I have found that abuse victims do not ALL go on to abuse others. That is true. But the sexual abusers we work with have mostly all been sexually abused themselves. Not all of them but I’d say about 85%. So I believe there is some correlation.
Buzzfeed has broken many big stories. They are highly underrated as serious journalism because of the name “Buzzfeed” and all the silly quizzes and stuff on their site. In actuality they’re pretty legit and you know what? If you go to their site looking to kill time and end up reading a serious story that’s worth it.
I agree. I find some journalism on the site. I was turned off by the sheer volume of all sorts of stories on the front page, but the big news stories can be good.
Have you read Farrow’s latest article? I actually think small publications can be really effective reporting things like this. Less power and prestige but also less chance of being compromised and less pressure coming from above. The NYT and the New Yorker came through with Weinstein but they could easily have not – just like NBC.
What kills me about Harry’s story, is Spacey thought nothing, absolutely nothing, about assaulting one of his victims with their father right there. What a monster.
Yes! It shows a level of entitlement that results from others covering this up for him for so long. Absolutely disgusting. I’ve also read some comments on The advocate defending him saying that this is common in the gay culture and he was usually drunk so drinking is is real problem. No, just no!
Well I’d wager he wasn’t drunk when he grabbed Harry Dreyfuss as they were rehearsing with his dad nor was he wasted during HoC so that’s such a bs excuse.
He did what he wanted drunk or sober because he’s a predator.
Re that video of him trying to talk to federer is creepy AF. You can see the predatory look on his face. Lecherous. Ick
Yes, I’m surprised and shocked at his obvious arrogance and lechery; the guy next to him in the video is the stuff of nightmares. Yuk.
Kevin Spacey and Harvey Weinstein need to be in prison.
They are dangerous predators.
Period.
The Daily Mail Online had a very interesting article yesterday about Kevin Spacey. They interviewed his brother who revealed that their father was a neo-Nazi who collected child pornography. The father also raped Spacey’s brother when he was 14.
On the radio this morning, they said that Spacey has been fired by Netflix.
Can I just say that I’m really disappointed in Spacey and I hope those who’ve come forward continue to get support. F-k-I’m not going to be able to think of the movies he was in that I liked the same way again. It’ll always be, great performance, I wonder how many boys he assaulted/harassed during that time?
I had a feeling that Kevin Spacey was a pig the moment that those pictures of Spacey groping some young boy’s @$$ Spacey was holding across his lap surfaced, maybe a decade ago. The look on Spacey’s face in those pictures was just revolting.
Is anyone else liking the idea of killing off Frank Underwood in a horrible and tragic (and hopefully ironic) way? Then Claire could take the lead as the new president and compassionately lead the USA to better times.
Also, I hope Spacey is arrested, charged, and locked up for the rest of his pedophile life.
In the original (British) series of House of Cards from the 1990s, his equivalent character is assassinated.
I watched what I have for Robin not him, so if they kill him off, I would be glad and start watching again.
I wonder where are the posters who down played Spacey action when the first man spoke out saying it happed 30 years ago and he was drunk.
If they can bring him to trial, I hope they throw the book at him – as they should for all such cases of assault.
It’s weird but for some reason I did not like Kevin Spacey. Like I always got the creeps watching him. There are other actors whom I don’t enjoy seeing but with him it was like I always felt he was a bully in real life.
I liked some of the movies he did but I never followed him. He gave me the creeps too.
Anyone can claim innocent until proven guilty but what type of person uses a group of downtrodden people to deflect from his own accusations.
So even if every case was disproved, he’d remain a louse from my perspective for the harm he has caused the LGTBT community.
And the, did that happen while I was drunk, was awfully weak.
So he can go to rehab, reflect etc. and he still needs to go to jail. There will be more to come forward I suspect .
What I find maddening is that when multitudes of men have been accused bu women of the EXACT SAME ACTIONS as Spacey, it takes months, if ever, for them to be brought to any kind of social reckoning. But some dudes get groped by another dude and all of a sudden he’s a predator who must be destroyed NOW.