As we discussed earlier, Rose McGowan doesn’t really care for this idea of a Globes Blackout, meaning she took issue with the women who will wear black in solidarity for victims of abuse and harassment at the Golden Globes next month. Rose specifically blamed Meryl Streep and said that all of these women should “wear Marchesa.” There’s zero doubt in my mind that Rose has been put through hell. There’s also zero doubt in my mind that Rose tends to lash out at everyone and everything out of pain. Well, Amber Tamblyn decided to respond to Rose’s tweets:
THREAD: Rose McGowan is a friend and while I support her kind of movement, I do not support any woman (or man) shaming or taunting the movements of other women who are trying to create change. Telling us to all wear Marchesa? This is beneath you, Rose.
— Amber Tamblyn (@ambertamblyn) December 17, 2017
You don’t have to support and stand with us, but we stand and support you. You may take below the belt shots at us but we will not take them at you in return.
— Amber Tamblyn (@ambertamblyn) December 17, 2017
Our movement is big. And a black dress is just the beginning of the darkness that will be drained from every industry across the country by the time we’re done. That’s a promise.
— Amber Tamblyn (@ambertamblyn) December 17, 2017
And we stand together in this fight, shoulder to shoulder, weapon to weapon, woman to woman (and man), body to burned body. And our arms are open. And our hearts two fold. And our fire will be a universal scorch. Heed the mantra: #ChangeIsComing
— Amber Tamblyn (@ambertamblyn) December 17, 2017
I think Amber has done the same thing Rose has done at times: treat the larger conversation on sexual assault, harassment, rape and rape culture like everything and anything is a personal affront to one victim. Amber is not the spokesperson for this cause (which she knows) and neither is Rose (I’m not sure she knows that). It’s about them but it’s larger than them too, and the conversations should exist independent of them, which is the point I think Amber is trying to make.
I feel… anxious… about this one-upmanship that’s currently happening with any story involving Rose, Asia Argento, whomever. It’s not a contest to see who is the most aggrieved nor is it a contest to see who can be the most nihilistic. All of this is going to be messy, and much as there is no perfect victim, there is no perfect reaction to these conversations, and no perfect conversation. Asia Argento turned up in Amber’s tweets, writing “I wish you’d have written this thread addressing it directly to @rosemcgowan, or even better, called or texted her, since you are friends.” To which Amber replied, “Asia, I did. I spoke to her for over an hour.” Thus, there was some kind of feminist flame war over whether Amber should have called out Rose or if she even was calling her out, etc. Is this argument helping the conversation? Or is this the kind of internecine squabble that will literally derail the #MeToo movement piece by piece?
Here’s a photo of Amber at the CNN Heroes event last night. She made a point of not wearing black, I guess.
Photos courtesy of Getty, WENN.
Is this what happened when white women are ‘leading’ a mouvement? Please someone pass the mic to Tarana Burke.
THIS, THIS, THIS !!!!
The world never learns.
Tell that to Alyssa Milano, who stole #metoo from a woc or Melania Trump who stole her speech from a woc while being married to one of America’s biggest racists. Tell that to Gabrielle Union, an actress with a slim shot at even one Oscar worthy role in her lifetime, who got dragged by white feminists for not dropping out of Nate Parker’s film while Meryl Streep, the “African” dripping with Oscars, gets to co-opt the post-Weinstein response. Tell that to Jessica Chastain, who is put on a pedastal for calling out Hollywood while Jada Pinkett-Smith, who produces strong films for and with strong women and who started #oscarssowhite is jeered at because her gentle, creative kids are undereducated and more than a little clueless.
@Gisele I know you not up here calling people names because this can turn ugly real quick.
Gisele deleted her “it’s not a race issue” comment, which is what I was responding to above.
“Jada Pinkett-Smith, who produces strong films for and with strong women and who started #oscarssowhite is jeered at because her gentle, creative kids are undereducated and more than a little clueless.”
To be fair, a lot of people don’t give her too much crap for having gentle creative kids. They give her crap for being a scientologist or at least funding a scientology school, and she really doesn’t get any more hate for her kids saying stupid things as any other celebrity with kids saying stupid things does.
Erinn
I’m sorry but you and the Celebitchy archives don’t agree.
Jada… I don’t like her or Will anymore, same as don’t like anyone close to Scientologists (Tom, or any other artist, not even from my country who have dealt with that co$), I don’t support any of their movies/ tv shows either.
I don’t think this is a very useful conversation to have, sorry…. As Weinstein also attacked black women.
I think the ‘separation’ between the two groups has something to do with angry women who were attacked on one side and women only supporting them on the other (but they were never attacked personally).
I don’t know if it makes sense, but if you were attacked (and silenced), the outpouring of rage is difficult to stop and guide in the right direction.
#metoo
THIS. ALL DAY LONG
Yea it is. Which is why black women are not here for this.
And yes Weinstein also attacked black women…and where are they in this narrative? Oh yea pushed to the back for white women.
Not really. Disagree very much.
If they are not ‘here in this narrative’, ask yourself who pushed them to the back for white women… other white women? (No, because I follow a whole lot of vocal and fabulous black women on twitter, and God they have spoken up, nobody silenced them).
Media. Usually led by… Men. You could argue ‘white men’, yes. But not just white women.
Direct your rage where it belongs. Thanks.
dont be so defensive, SilverUnicorn. White women are very good at centering themselves, they dont need white men to do it. Also dont use them as your defense, thats not a good tactic. White feminism isnt called that because of white men.
Don’t tell me white women don’t have a hand in this when Alyssa Milano took the MeToo hashtag and “forgot” to credit the black woman that created it.
Don’t tell me white women are all about feminism until its time to vote and then suddenly its all to easy to vote for trump or moore
Dont tell me white women are here for ALL women when the suffragate movement was rooted in racism
Um don’t tell me where to direct my rage thanks. So tired of white women pretending that black women havent been left behind time and time again by their “so called feminism” and that we dont have a right to be angry
@Nicole well said.
“Don’t tell me white women are all about feminism until its time to vote and then suddenly its all to easy to vote for trump or moore”
@Nicole,
Talk about railroading. It was republican/Tea Party women that voted for Trump and Moore. These are the same women that DON’T believe in gender equality. They’re the same women that stuck with their men and organized against the ERA in the 80s and fought against WHITE Hillary for decades. These women prefer patriarchal traditionalism.
Don’t use white, right-wing, republican women to represent all white women just to make your very divisive argument. That’s not going to work here.
Really? The stats don’t agree with you. Fact is more white women voted for trump and for moore than expected. I doubt that was all tea partiers.
Its also not divisive if its factual. Please research suffragette movement and tell me where I am wrong on a historical FACT.
Really? You’re going all the way back to the Suffragette movement? Obviously there’s plenty of racist examples to pick from history. I’m not arguing that racism doesn’t exist in US or that we’re in a post racial society. Obviously not. You can look at any culture’s history and you’ll find racism. Keep your argument to after civil rights movement where it’s more relevant to our current social dynamics. Of course the Suffragettes were not going to embrace black women and their issues. Blacks were still living under Jim Crow. Black women wouldn’t have been able to help the Suffragette movement in a meaningful way on a national level.
“For many white women, it’s racial identity, not gender or party, that guides their choices in the voting booth.” NYT
I think it’s more racial identity vs gender that determines what party white women vote for. The republican party has worked for decades to make itself the white, christian party of “traditional” family values. They have won the cultural political war. Which should be no surprise if anybody was paying attention these past 30+ years.
So yeah I agree that approx. half white “voters” vote along racial identity lines, and who ever wins that identifier wins about half the white vote despite that they’re voting against their own interests. What’s aggravating about your comments is that the other half is infuriated with the right-wing stooping to these lows to undermine the Left. The Right is very clever at figuring out what works to win elections and cement power. It is infuriating for the Left because it has thwarted the movement and important issues like ERA for decades. This is why #metoo is important because these issues that affect ALL women of all races, are also readily fought against along political party lines, meaning white, republican women which always votes in higher numbers than their democratic counterparts including black women voters. Also, historically (pre 2008) many blacks have vote republican because they identify the republican party as the christian values, anti-communist party regardless how questionably racist the party was.
I agree a lot of work needs to be done on part of white women and that black women can’t be too trusting that they won’t be overlooked as always. But don’t expect that all white women are going to just accept the full blame and wrath for right-wing, white women that they can’t identify with and have been embattled with though many elections.
@Cranberry, you said ” Black women wouldn’t have been able to help the Suffragette movement in a meaningful way on a national level.”
So…it’s okay to marginalize someone if they can’t help your cause??
Maybe the damn point is, if you’re intent on fighting for your rights, you should be intent on fighting for the rights of others too. Not just the ones who can help you.
@jayem, that’s beyond idealistic considering what was realistically accomplishable back in 1920s.
@Cranberry – And so your answer is basically, “So why even try”?!
It’s that idealism that effects change, not the establishment. It’s thinking of your community and lending a hand to those suffering worse than you. Not going ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ “IT’S TOO HARD” and staying quiet.
@jayen, the Suffragette movement was to get women the vote. All women. Not just white women. What kept black women from exercising this hard won right was Jim Crow laws not the Suffragettes. I think your idealism is misplaced criticizing the movement from over 100 yrs ago and is better suited for the challenges the women’s movement is facing today.
Nicole
I started to respond to Cranberry but my soul is too weary to address that level of fuckery right now. So instead I choose to raise a glass to your wisdom, patience and fortitude. Cheers 🍸🍸🍸
Enough I had a final to take and now I’m drinking wine.
I’m too tired to argue about white feminism. Let them eat each other and we will still be here later.
The level of obtuse from people is enough to make me quit humanity
@Enough Already, giiiiirl, you are reading my mind today! Keep commenting!! Saves me the trouble.
@Nicole, you too!
An interesting data analysis on 2016 election regarding college education being defining factor for trump’s win.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/education-not-income-predicted-who-would-vote-for-trump/
@Cranberry
No to this way of addressing the issue.
Your argument hurts my heart because you aren’t genuinely listening or asking questions to learn what they are trying to tell you.
I used to say, but Jews helped in the civil rights movement. We did, and I am very proud of that, and the black community has always been appreciative about that in general. I am very pleased the rabbis around the country have reached out to BLM and Muslims to try to combat this government. All good things. Communities working together are always good things.
BUT
When white people, including Jews, get involved with helping there can be a blind spot when it comes to race. Our view of race is flawed because we don’t know what it is like to be black (except black Jews). But black people do so why argue about their feelings and experiences? Why are you policing how they feel about white feminists? This attitude is why black feminists are angry and fed up. You aren’t treating the WOC here as equals but as women who need to be told how wonderful liberal white women are and don’t hurt our feelings or else! We aren’t amazing, and the movement is flawed, and it can’t be real feminism unless ALL women are included equally on every level.
The anger you are hearing is years and years and years of being marginalized and silenced. Spend more time learning about WOC and what their lives are like and their history. When WOC feel heard and respected, they will return the favor, but right now it isn’t happening.
I have WOC in my life that love me, and I love them, but that love couldn’t be equal until their issues became my issues. It is easy on a personal level because we have decades of memories and shared experiences, but I have to extend that out to all WOC. The same way I fight for my daughters and sons I have to fight for their daughters and sons. It is a heavy burden they carry so we should help and carry it together.
I could check many of the “woke” boxes the final (phase 1) step was surrendering my privilege with humility and not seeing WOC women as victims but as sisters and teachers who need me to stand by them.
I know your heart is in the right place, but you are missing their points. We all lose if we are divided but it is on us to ask them how can we help.
Included are women who are marginalized and forgotten which reminds me to remind you that the DACA kids are being ignored but we can’t forget them.
Nicole….”and yes Weinstein also attacked black women, and where are they in this narrative? Oh yea, pushed to the back for white women.”
I’m not sure what you mean? There was only ONE black woman who came forward to claim she’d been harassed or attacked (whose allegation Weinpig denied, not that anyone believes him.) Only one. Lupita’s story–her narrative–was covered as extensively as any of the others. I really don’t think this is a case of black women being somehow pushed back for the sake of white women, it’s simply that, in these particular Hollywood sexual allegation cases, with one exception, it has been, based on who has spoken out, solely white women who have been effected. So in this particular case, black women are *not* being stepped over/pushed aside for the sake of their white counterparts.
Thank you @magnoliarose for your very thoughtful comment. I understand and generally agree. Although I think the affect of many sentiments expressed on this thread tends to be somewhat destructive and alienating, I can see that’s the way things are going to be at least on snarky gossip sites, and it’s best not to engage in it. Btw I’m a woc which doesn’t make me an authority on the issue here, but my experiences are not that of white privilege and entitlement.
This is not the time to attack and divide women. And I’m not white. Saying white women can’t lead a movement has the implication of putting them below white men. Promoting inclusiveness is not the same brushing a group a women aside.
It’s not that white women can’t leas a movement it’s that there’s no movement unless white women are in the forefront. It’s very telling that you see this as an attack.
@Enough Already, enough already… How is this not an attack? You don’t want woc be treated differently because of the color of their skin, but still you speak of woc and white women. I know of woc that are as privileged as any so-called white women and I know “white women” who have suffered more hardship in their lives than you (or I) probably will ever see. But what all of us have experienced is how tough it can be to be a woman in a patriarchal system.
So get over yourself, this is about women in general and how they are treated by men and not about a hashtag or racism. The latter is a different fight.
@Enough Already – THIS!!!!
@Anna – Stop being so obtuse.
this is why trump won. Democrats became divided. Now women are going to be divided? There is no clear leadership, mostly every woman has suffered some kind of assault,but sadly the most visible women/ actresses who has spoken up have been white, and even like that, it is a good movement.
I loathed how dismissive some commenters were of actors of other ethnicities complaining of oscarssowhite.
Mieke1963
If you’re commenting on this site you are far from stupid but you reveal yourself to be ignorant as hell. Racial privilege has nothing to do with economics. A white, drug addicted homeless person can still be considered more worthy of personhood than a poc with a Harvard degree. When the color of your skin is your ticket to ride before anything else is considered you benefit from privilege, no matter what other factors are present.
By the way, talking about race doesn’t make me divisive or constitute an attack. When white women can take responsibility for their mistakes, and actually listen/learn woc will have little need to have these discussions.
And what the hell is a “so called white woman”? Smh.
Oh, my.
I know this feeling. It is when people don’t want to hear anything and get uncomfortable when I confront them about their hypocrisy and lack of knowledge about Israel. All sorts of defensive nonsense is flung at me along with lectures. To so he left does this to me so I know how frustrating it can be.
My black friends are economically privileged, but that is not the same as having racial privilege.
Ugh, how disappointing this is. It really does feel like white girl mean nonsense. Different perspectives on how to move forward with the movement are to be expected. Throwing nasty tweets at each other just diminish the whole thing.
I wonder if she gets nosebleeds on that high horse of hers.
I HATE that this is turning into women bitch-fighting. WTF, ladies? And not everything needs to be put on Twitter. If she is really Rose’s friend, this was unnecessary. I understand that she likes and is good with words but this sounds super grand and like she really enjoys her own statements.
Rose had a point and whether she was nice about it or not is not the issue. Can we not get distracted by this crap?
Exactly, LMN
Yes, if she called her why not leave it there? She does the same thing she is accusing Rose of. Cue Amber tweeing about “the media pitting women against each other”.
With this reasoning then Rose should have just called Streep and criticized her directly instead of on twitter.
Amber has every right to publicly oppose Rose’s twitter attacks of these actresses whether she spoke to Rose directly or not. Rose has put her views out on a public platform, and if no one with an opposing view responds publicly then the silence is interpreted as approval. If you’re going to criticize Amber’s right to respond on twitter, then you’re also criticizing Rose’s public posting too.
It’s not all the same. And if you think that not responding to EVERYTHING on Twitter equals approval, you’re approving of a lot. That’s just not how social media works. Amber has the right and I have the right to think she thinks very highly of herself. I don’t have to like everything she or Rose do on Twitter and again, it’s not all the same. Not everything needs to be put out there.
Also, do you really think Rose has Meryl’s number? Seriously?
Well you’re right Rose probably doesn’t have her number. Never the less, like it or not, Rose is getting a lot of attention for her outspoken style on sexual harassment in Hollywood. So perhaps she’ll just rant herself into irrelevance on her own as has been suggested or perhaps she’ll garner more attention from media and those that follow pop-culture trends.
*sigh* an actress was raped at a Weinstein after party and later commits suicide. All I hear are the sounds of silence. But, of course our lives don’t make front page news..the only time I saw her name was when Ellen Page published her open letter acknowledging her horrible experiences with the rat. There is one same difference between her and other actresses. I would never diminish their pain but she’s dead and it seems no one paid attention.
Misty Upham. Her name needs to be a part of this narrative.
Peak white feminism. I’m so tired of her picking and choosing who gets to be worthy of support. Sit down, Amber.
Is said this on the Meryl Streep thread, I think #Rosearmy is ego driven.
She’s inserted herself as a leader in this movement. I follow her on Instagram and her insta stories can be really cringe she’s so in love with her own words.
“I follow her on Instagram and her insta stories can be really cringe she’s so in love with her own words.”
Given the trauma she endured, do you really hold that against her?
I wouldn’t be surprised if her mental health was close to a breaking point.
That’s what IG is all about. For everyone. Every single IG account is about ego and image. That doesn’t even have anything to do with what she’s been through, it’s the very purpose of the platform.
I agree with you and her mental health is not the problem here. At her very core she is an actress and she loves all eyes on her for once. Look at the pictures of her throwing her fist in the air, while she never supports black women. Naming a “Rose Army” when there are way more victims, many of them invisible, is completely ego driven. This movement is not about one woman, it is not just about her. It’s about all victims, including boys and men (and we know most of those victims are not speaking out because of shame so there are probably many more victims than we will ever know). Some of these victims like Salma Hayek were threatned with murder. Mira Sorvino’s career was ruined. Let’s be honest, Rose was never going to win an Oscar. Many people had more to lose than her but they’re not making this movement about themselves. She has supported predatory directors publicly in the past and she took a settlement from Harvey. She is far from the feminist icon she tries to be. She needs to cool it with the judgements.
I know she’s angry as she should, and she’s been through a lot, but mark my words, she’s close to creating serious backlash for not watching what she says and people are going to turn on her veryvsoon. She’s showing an ugly side and she’s not being a friend to fellow victims right now. She has refused to support Corey Feldman.
I think she needs a break from social media. Much of the work can be done away from it anyway. She’s going to keep putting her foot in her mouth otherwise.
I agree….one of the things that gave me pause is how Rose kept favoriting tweets that stated that she and Ashley Judd were the only brave ones and all the other actresses who have come forward are just jumping on the bandwagon.
That’s just such an ugly sentiment, it makes me wonder to what extent she cares about other victims (or cares about things that don’t directly affect her – seen through that lens, her lack of comment on Salva and that tone-deaf tweet on the n-word or the one she sent Ellen aren’t surprising).
You’re right, ugly is the perfect word to describe that kind of commentary- not just on the part of Rose for favoriting those tweets but on the people who wrote them in the first place. This isn’t about demanding heroic victimhood from women (or men) and then publicly shaming the ones who fall short of those pullitzer prize- winning novel expectations in how they dealt with what was done to them.
What’s with “I talked to her for an hour” but then you have to take to Twitter to advertise to everyone what you think? Unnecessary need on Amber’s part for there to be drama and for her to be at the center of it.
Amber has every right to publicly oppose Rose’s twitter attacks of these actresses whether she spoke to Rose directly or not.
Rose has put her views out on a public platform, and she should expect public responses. Seems that Amber was giving her a courtesy of engaging with her directly to not foster any misunderstanding of disrespect.
If Rose thinks it’s so important to the movement to tweet her attacks then obviously it’s also going to be important to those that disagree to make it public otherwise the silence would be interpreted as approval.
This. I have much sadness and disgust for what happened to rose. I don’t begrudge her in any process she undertakes to regain her emotional health and equilibirium, Yet she has chosen public forums, and she is attaching other women for things she may not be fully informed about. It’s become ego driven and it’s hurtful to them. Does she need them to hurt as she does to feel more empowered? Yes people are clapping back at her for attacking them. And I understand why. I hope soon her anger will be better targeted toward Constructive activities that are helpful to supporting others. Because she’s starting to lose effectiveness by futile misguided rants against the wrong people on matters she can’t possible know.
Le sigh. This is what happens when white feminism begins to eat its own. The commodifying of a movement and wateres down offshoots. One upsmanship, hypocrisy, pointing the finger…it would be funny if this wasnt an actual issue and wasn’t negatively affecting ghe possibility of real change. Black dresses and no different than those dumb pink hats. They mean absolutely nothing.
Couldn’t agree more.
Not that it moves the needles one way or another, but this feminist who is white has genuinely lost the thread of this entire exchange between Rose, Meryl, and Amber.
“a black dress is just the beginning of the darkness that will be drained from every industry across the country by the time we’re done. That’s a promise.”
What hyperbolic nonsense. Maybe she’s trying to inspire and create solidarity, but her words are so empty. Like…what exactly are you doing to see sexual misconduct completely eradicated within your lifetime? Outting abusers on twitter is great, but that’s step 1. This is a huge systemic issue that won’t see its end in a capitalist patriarchal society. But go off, I guess!!
Yes. That bit was stupid. The whole thing was stupid and I’ll-advised. Rose is what she is but first and foremost she is a victim of abuse and undue ostracization. Let her write and reflect upon what she says. Worst case scenarios she needs to vent. Even worst case scenario, she’s in the right.
here’s the issue: meryl streep (to me) is no icon, no role model. she openly supported roman polanski who raped children. rose mcgowan openly supported and worked with victor salva who molested boys and filmed it. they were both guilty, and yet these women supported them when it was convenient. i have no respect or mercy for anyone who does this, especially when the victims are CHILDREN. i think its fair to call out meryl on this but its controversial. everyone idolizes her and I’ve never drunk that juice. to vocalize your support for a man who raped a child is beyond disgusting. so no, I don’t look to her as the moral compass. and rose, if she is so hell bent on being the “face” of the movement, needs to confront and address her own complicity with the same vigor she has with everyone else she deems guilty. she has a lot of good but her hands are not clean here either.
Exactly. Rose is the biggest hypocrite of them all. She supported Victor Salva! Notice she doesn’t address that while she’s attacking everyone else though.
Im very close to lumping white women together with white men.
seriously, Amber stfu and dont make this about yourself. Dont use this awful moment to center yourself and for publicity.
We* are showing our true colors, so lump away.
*white women
No friend heard to hearts you for an hour and then poetically cunt punts you on twitter. Not a friend that I would share air with.
The snake is starting to eat itself.
I’m not sure why every other comment referenced WhiteFeminism? Look i get intersectionality , im a muslim African woman myself, but by continuously splitting hairs when its not needed, we undermine the fight against sexual abuse. Who needs men patronising us, when we can inflict it upon ourselves.
I feel similarly about Rose’s comments, yes she is a victim like many others, but what is the point of so publicly dissing other women’s effort while also deriding them for not doing enough?
The real perpetrators are the men who harass women, thats it. It feels as if we have run out of people to blame, so we are turning against each other.
Let’s keep the focus on men who abuse, not on other women and not on “whitefeminism”.
I don’t think she’s thinking ‘clearly’. I read her tweets a couple of days ago and they even seem random… she deletes some of them, then she writes some others…
I mean, am I the only one who thinks she’s acting erratically?
You’re not the only one, everybody can see she needs help.
Rose has been a mess for a while. She needs a break from Twitter because she’s really close to making people turn on her completely for tweeting while angry and not thinking before she tweets. She already caught sh-t for comparing the word “woman” to the n-word. She’s been making this entire situation all about her, posing with her fist in the air, meanwhile she’s fighting with every woman she can and losing it on Twitter every day. Spare me the self-righteousness. You have defended your own pedo director before “he’s so sweet and a very gentle man, that’s none of my business!” and took a settlement from Weinstein 20 years ago. Had she spoken out sooner like she pressures other women to do instead of taking hush money, maybe she could’ve saved other women, but we don’t tell her that when she speaks out, we support her. And she doesn’t even support Corey Feldman because she wants the attention all on her, but Corey has been screaming into a void for many years and nobody has ever taken him seriously until Corey Haim died.
This is why people don’t like white feminism. These ladies embarrass the movement with their high school fights and we are caught up in it. This isn’t helpful. I include Amber too in this because she has stood by her racist husband before and has chosen not to speak out against his actions. You just cannot call yourself a feminist and ignore other women or date a racist d-bag who thought “grab them by the *****” was so funny he had it in his IG bio for months.
If you want support for yourself, you have to support every woman who is fighting the same cause.
Great post!
I feel for Rose and while I don’t think she should feel obligated to temper her anger. I agree that some self-care and a Twitter break is probably in her best interest at this point.
Also agree with everything else you said about white feminism. It’s embarrassing and we (WW) really need to do better than this.
Agreed, Kitten. I also think all this information coming out and supporting what she’s said is probably opening up old wounds as well as some fresh ones. While Rose is problematic, she’s entitled to what she’s feeling and hopefully one day she can heal.
Rose has been through hell and back. She suffered in silence for so long and now finally the truth has come out and the whole #MeToo movement currently happening. I think she’s angry this didn’t happen for her 10-15 years ago (whenever Weinstein raped her). She’s been angry for so long and her pain is so great I think it drowns out anything else. She comes across as insensitive to other people’s painful experiences and lashes out on Twitter without thinking through what she is saying or how she comes across.
Whether they wear a dress or not. This should’ve been done a long time ago. A black dress for solidarity, Seriously?
They can wear a black dress, design by Oscar De la Renta, and nailed it on the best or worst dress list…. This just doesn’t show nothing about solidarity…..
So Hollywood can take their “solidarity” and black dress somewhere else. Not here for it…
If they keep up this b**chy back and forth behavior none of these women will be taken seriously. All I see right now are massive egos on both sides and a competition for who has access to the better thesaurus for the bigger words. The meaning behind the movement is going to get completely lost if they keep up these shenanigans.
After years of not being believed and verbal and moral abuse by her “Hollywood colleagues ” it is really diffulcult for any victim to listen or believe the outrage or the metoo support.
Also amber is preaching how everything is going to change and Alyssa Milano is always on twitter about support and how everything is different now but it clear it is more of the same with selective support, how that one is good enough to be a perfect victim, how the artist and the art are different topics conversations, how it was just a slap or just one victim so it doesn’t count….
Amber saying and promising that everyone and Hollywood is supportive when ones like Kate winslet and j k Rowling are just giving interviews and statements is just bizarre and proves how empty this dress code protest really is.
All this infighting, ugh. Alyssa Milano is getting a lot of aggravation for using the #metoo campaign and not crediting the WOC who started it. Well I give her credit for sharing it with the masses because I never heard of it before this. Maybe AM thought by sharing the #metoo tag she was giving credit to the woman who created it. I think we leap to quickly to the negative. I could be wrong but as they say, imitation is the highest form of flattery.
Sorry now but “Imitation is the highest form of flattery” is the biggest load of crap, surely you can see that??
It gives a person carte Blanche to steal someone else’s ideas and Dress them up as their own.
One thing that’s worth noting about this whole episode…
Sociologists who study systemic oppression and the way power operates in cultures and societies have identified a two-way movement that very often happens:
When you are already subject to oppression, violence, and marginalization by a more privileged group, but also sit in a position of privilege over and above a yet-more-oppressed group, then you often end up simultaneously in-fighting with others in your group over the scraps of privilege that the more dominant class throws your way, and exercising your power over the less-dominant group who lack even the minimal privilege you have. This 2-way dynamic ultimately only serves the dominant power, because it diverts the energy and attention of the “middle” group away from organizing against the real threat of the dominant group, and keeps them from becoming allies and finding common ground with the more marginalized group in order to work together to decenter the dominant power.
So think about this in terms of white women, who have less power than white men (and depending on circumstances, also less power than men of color–we can be harassed and raped by any man in some situations). But they have more power than women of color pretty much all the time, and some of the time more power than LGBTQ men (again, depending on context–this is how intersectional identities and privilege work in a culture made up of structural inequalities).
When white women turn on each other, or further oppress women of color, we are behaving in exactly the way sociologists expect for such a group and we are ultimately working against our own interests, serving the interests of patriarchal male culture, and failing utterly to use what power we have to center and support those who have even less.
It makes me sad and I hope that #metoo helps us all see this dynamic for what it is, and work against it.
I’m not on board with blaming women — any women — for Weinstein’s crimes.
Neither am I. Not unless they helped with any of the luring, blacklisting, or assaulting.
You just made me think about how I’ve reacted to this particular controversy, and I think I have to agree. If we start blaming women for being complicit in Weinstein’s assaults and harassment on women, do we keep blaming all the way down to the non celebrities that were harassed or worse by him? The ones who actually didn’t have the benefit of an entire public career to allow for financial freedom? No. I may think that the black dress thing is rather idiotic, but it’s rather not worth comment. I’d rather support and talk about how things actually change.
AT is awfully self important
and while the globes are no big deal, does she (and or her problematic spouse) even get invited to stuff anymore?
Rose seems like she might have some mental health challenges, likely exacerbated (if not entirely triggered) by the trauma she’s experienced. I have a friend who has diagnosed mental health issues and she tends to lash out in much the same way Rose does. It can make it challenging to remain in relationship with her; I find myself being like “It’s best for my own well being to lovingly support you from a distance since your reclamation of your power apparently includes attacking me.”
Tamblyn is making a career out of being an outspoken feminist. Nothing wrong with that, but something to take into consideration. Her main income comes from writing think pieces and being a speaker at events. That’s her brand now. She barely works as an actress. And I liked what she said until she started to get really righteous and smug about her newfound fame. And until it was the turn to speak out about her own sh*t: her husband is a racist misogynist who mocked an Asian girl and then proceed to release a NON apology mocking her even more. Then let’s not forget that Tamblyn is close friends with Scientologists Lauta Prepon and Ben Foster, who are very very close friends almost family with rapist and fellow Scientologist Danny Masterson….I’ve heard nothing about that from her big mouth yet.
Also: why is Tamblyn speaking of behalf of Golden Globe nominees and using the “we”. She not even nominated.
Amber Tamblyn sounds like a shit friend. I didn’t realize that if you could not persuade a “friend” to agree with your opinions after an hour long conversation the next step was to shame them publicly.
It’s going to derail it, for sure. It’s very self defeating, regardless of how dead on Rose McGowan may be about the blackout.
All of this is just noise. McGowan dishes it out hard so wtf. I don’t see why she should be protected from other women’s feelings or statements. A lot of women have something to say I guess most women have experience with this right?
So,
I don’t care if white women, any white woman, thinks she is leading this movement. She/They aren’t. This is a collective.
Jenny Lumet, Gabby Douglas, Condoleeza Rice! … and, not to mention Tarana Burke. Sheesh.
And besides them women of EVERY color and background.