I wonder if, at some point in the near future, Angelina Jolie will sit down and tell her version of what happened on that plane in 2016. Whatever happened, there was no going back for her. She left Brad Pitt that night. She took the kids, filed for divorce, and began consulting with family therapists. In the immediate wake of the “plane incident,” it was widely believed that Brad was scrambling, trying to figure out if Angelina was going to go public with whatever he did. She never did – we still don’t know what happened. The closest thing we have is this Brad-sourced People Magazine article where the “source” admits that Brad “was drunk” and that he made physical contact with Maddox:
“…There was an argument between him and Angelina. There was a parent-child argument which was not handled in the right way and escalated more than it should have… Brad is emphatic that it did not reach the level of physical abuse, that no one was physically harmed. He did not hit his child in the face in any way. He did not do that; he is emphatic about that. He put his hands on him, yes, because the confrontation was spiraling out of control. Brad made contact with Maddox in the shoulder area, and there was absolutely no physical injury to him.”
The careful wording is still so uncomfortable, even after all this time. And thanks to Team Pitt’s leaks, we now know for sure that Brad’s visitation with the children is still being monitored by therapists and he’s only being allowed unsupervised visits with the kids in July, and even then, he’s supposed to keep up with therapy appointments. But sure, let’s talk about how Angelina is the one doing all this damage, right? Anyway, as I updated yesterday, Angelina released a statement to Vanity Fair on Wednesday. This is what her spokesperson said:
“This misleading leak is not in the best interests of the children. From the start, Angelina has been focused only on their health and needs, which is why it was so important that this last court hearing be conducted privately. It’s deplorable that someone, for their own selfish reasons, leaked selective portions of the confidential and sealed court record to create an inaccurate and unfair picture of what is really happening.”
Just to underline the point, Angelina is saying flat-out that Brad selectively leaked parts of their ongoing custodial drama so that the headlines far and wide would be “Angelina in danger of losing primary custody of the kids.” And it worked – that was the headline, far and wide, and people were falling all over themselves to cape for the man who had to emphatically declare through unnamed sources that he didn’t hit his teenage son “in the face.” They’re still caping for the same guy who hasn’t been allowed unsupervised visitation with his children in nearly two years. Brad wants to underline some things too, which is why People Magazine did a follow-up story about how Brad is doing super now that he and his people have trashed his estranged wife again. There’s a bonus mention of Neri Oxman too.
“Brad is doing great,” a source close to the actor tells PEOPLE. “He has his energy back.”
Before filming [on Tarantino’s Once Upon a Time In Hollywood] begins, Pitt is spending time in London with kids Maddox, 16, Pax, 14, Zahara, 13, Shiloh, 12, and 9-year-old twins Vivienne and Knox, who all live full-time overseas with Jolie as she films Maleficent 2. “Occasionally, they have a sleepover at Brad’s, but not every week,” the source says. “He is a great dad and always loved being with his kids. He doesn’t talk badly about Angie, but he feels it’s her fault that the kids don’t want to spend more time with him.”
The actor was spotted on Wednesday taking a bike ride across the Coworth Park hotel property, only a few miles from where Jolie and the kids reside in the U.K. Once filming starts later this summer, Pitt will go back and forth between London and Los Angeles, where he has “a very busy schedule,” the insider says. “He often attends dinner parties, socializes with friends and attends events. Brad is dating, but he is very quiet about it.”
The Okja executive producer was last seen in April with MIT professor Neri Oxman. “He has spent more time with Neri, but isn’t in a relationship with her,” the source explains. “He seems very fascinated by her.”
“He doesn’t talk badly about Angie, but he feels it’s her fault that the kids don’t want to spend more time with him.” He doesn’t talk badly about their mother, he just has his people trash her all the time in the press, and he selectively leaks confidential court documents to make her look bad, and I guess this is also an admission from Team Pitt that the kids still aren’t interested in spending time with him. “Occasionally, they have a sleepover at Brad’s, but not every week,” except not really, because he’s still not allowed unsupervised visits with the kids. Why is People Magazine carrying water for Brad right now? I guess they’re hoping to get more exclusives from him about how Neri Oxman is his most perfect unicorn.
Photos courtesy of WENN, Backgrid.
I can’t even begin to think why anyone would support him when he has to clarify he didn’t hit his son “in the face”. Oh. Cool. No visible bruises, can’t be bad right? Asswipe.
Yeah, that distinction does jump out.
“yes, because the confrontation was spiraling out of control“
The rest of the kids witnessed the out of control confrontation between father and his boy. How can anyone defends this man?
And for all the “Jolie is alienating the children against him crowd”, those siblings seem really close to one another. They witnessed what happened between Pitt and Maddox. If Maddox hasn’t forgiven Pitt, maybe the younger kids are taking their cues from Maddox, not Jolie.
@IlsaLund, exactly. Trust me, I don’t think a lot of kids need to take cues from their parents when they’re trying to decide if they want to spend time with someone or not. If they don’t like someone, they’ll know it, and they’ll show it. If Brad’s kids don’t want to spend time with him, he’s probably what’s the blame.
Angie gives her kids a lot of leeway. She gets criticized for it often, and sometimes its fair, but I also think she’s the sort of parent who would ask her kids, “How do you feel about spending time with X,” and listen patiently to their response and act accordingly.
He’s a lying sack of shat. His team went on and on about neri and now they’re going on about kids. Sick summamabitches
I like Brad. I don’t think he needs my support though.
I think it’s very ugly to comment in this manner about the mother of his children in public. Very ugly. He just lost whatever little respect I had left for him. He reminds me of other divorced fathers I happen to know. They are never ever guilty. It’s always the mother, always. She doesn’t allow the kids to see them, she doesn’t let the kids call or answer the phone, she “ruins” their relationships with their kids, she, she, she the monster. And accidentally, these are all fathers who, when faced with real parenting duties and everyday responsibilities are nowhere to be seen. Their devotion and effort to “improve their relationships” with their kids disappears at the moment things switch from the fun part to real care and the dirty work that needs to be done every day to raise a child. And most of those fathers were very savvy in court and yes, judges are not infallible so more than one of those fathers got a tap on the shoulder while the mothers were scolded. This lasted only for a while though because eventually the judges were presented with facts they couldn’t ignore and namely that beyond much talking there was little else those fathers did to actually make their relationships work. Brad Pitt is exactly the same in my eyes. Very poor taste to badmouth the mother in this manner.
Sometimes it isn’t the father though. Sometimes it can be the mother/mother’s family. It’s the reason why my uncle has such a complicated relationship with his daughter from his first marriage. He got divorced when she was pretty young and as she got older, she spent less and less time with him. My uncle’s ex’s family was beyond wealthy (used to own the Trump Tower in a suburban town) and my uncle was not making that much money. He couldn’t compete with the grandfather throwing money at his daughter to buy her a horse, pay for her riding lessons, to give her anything she wanted. My uncle is not a bad man and is a loving father to his second daughter from his second marriage (he is remarried to my mom’s sister). When his first daughter got married, she asked her grandfather to walk her down the aisle and not her father and that really, really hurt him so he decided not to go (he was invited). That led to a period of estrangement of at least a decade. They’ve reconnected in recent years (we even had awkward Christmases hosted at the daughter’s house) but things are really up and down with the daughter complaining she is always the first one to reach out etc. I was young when this all happened but I see as an adult what parental alienation did to my uncle’s relationship with his daughter. I’m sure there’s more to my uncle’s story but from where I’m standing, the mom really did herself no favors for not encouraging her daughter to have a relationship with my uncle.
Not saying this applies to Angelina but yes, sometimes the mothers are at fault.
@Amelie
The ztory you’ve told is irrelevant as by his own admission (and looking at his past filming schedule) this guy was mostly absent and was never the devoted and eager father he’s trying to play now. That’s why I listed all the reasons he reminds me of those pretend fathers who have big mouths, big pretences and at the end of the day little preparedness to do the work each relationship actually requires. Blaming it all on the other parent is certainly easier. And because the custodial parent is typically seen as in a position of more power, those nasty games sometimes work with judges who are more sympathetic to the poor neglected father. Temporarily, of course because the truth comes on top soon enough.
I can’t even with Pitt any longer, he’s out of control and clearly close to being out of his mind.
As for Neri Oxman, she’s hot and heavy in Paris with her billionaire boyfriend, Ackerman. There are even photos. The couple can finally come out as officially together since Ackerman settled his divorce. This is the second man Neri Oxman has been the woman in the middle of a couple’s divorce.
And people called Angie a “homewrecker”, Oxman is fast becoming the Queen of homewreckers.
The Pitt-Oxman fauxmance was a tabloid invention. Wait till the tabs to start printing cover stories about how Jennifer can’t wait to be a stepmother to Brad’s children, once he gets custody. You know it’s coming.
I haven’t seen that written or referred to before now. Is this fact? I’d like to know. That would be horrible indeed. If it’s not true, and just rumor, then it’s as bad as the unwarranted hits Angie takes.
Yeah it’s pretty clear those documents were “selectively” leaked. Gross.
So given that he’s on a PR tear (his children ‘s privacy be damned) will we get a response to the NYPost story yesterday that either Neri has dumped him or in fact never left her billionaire boyfriend and is not interested? We all know damn well what his PR tried to imply with her. Now “sources” counter with comments barely hiding the fact they think he’s not smart enough for her. (LOL! So much for the Amal plan)
If they really are and always were just friends? Then using her for PR was absolutely foul.
CNN says they received unsealed files. I’m not a lawyer, so I don’t know if it was some sort of technicality? They filed an S&O in early/mid May and then the Order followed a week ago……was this a different version that wasn’t sealed straight away and left vulnerable until it was finalized?
And I also think it is gross to say that a parent leaked sealed files in an ongoing custody case, especially since he was the one, from the get go, who wanted the case to be sealed. Also, it would be the height of stupidity, considering once they find out who leaked it, IF it was leaked, given that CNN says what they wrote an article on was unsealed, that could implicate Brad and give him the exact opposite of what he wants.
Someone leaked them. Ask yourself who stood to benefit most from that leak and there’s your culprit -Littlefinger.
You think no one has ever leaked anything for money? If this file was totally sealed…and I am suspecting that perhaps there is a version that isn’t sealed, given that I don’t think an organization like CNN would flat out lie to damage their credibility on something so dumb as a child custody document with two actors…….then the court will figure out who leaked it.
And to turn that back around…when TMZ was getting updates about the divorce every three seconds, was that Angelina bashing Brad in the press because her lawyer is Laura Wasser and has close ties to TMZ? FFS.
As I said: ask yourself who has the most to gain by leaking the information and there’s your culprit.
And what does Brad gain? Leaking this would not help him in court, it would hinder him actually. And given that he was the one who wanted to seal from the very beginning, it makes zero sense.
But IMO, I don’t consider People to be anything more than straight up tabloid, so that is my perspective. Unless it is a direct quote/statement, then I don’t consider it to be a valid source. Once upon a time they’d get the perspective from a celeb’s team, but it’s been clear the last few years that they are not the first option and have had to supplement….their articles. Especially since I could write their stories in my sleep. With Angelina they waffle towards her being awful/Mother Theresa, with Brad he’s either not got a care in the world or he’s “sad Brad”, depending on whose ass they are trying to kiss with the article…..which is basically what every single tabloid has been writing from the beginning (ex: Oxman). I don’t need a source to write that crap.
Don’t you know? Brad is the devil, period. No if’s, and’s, or but’s. He’s guilty of everything in this case, no questions asked!
I don’t know. There are huge pockets of men AND women who speak out against parental alienation by mothers. I used to see it on FB all the time by friends who felt their boyfriend or husbands were being denied their children by exes or the men themselves were saying that they had been denied seeing their kids, or the ex was trying to poison them against him. I think IF he had a hand in leaking these, or using that narrative, it was to curry favor. A lot of people don’t like the idea of a mother (or father) alienating their children from the other parent.
I’m not a “stan” of either of these two. I like them and I like most of Brad’s films, so I say as a casual fan with no investment that Brad looks worse. Neither are a devil nor an angel. I think Brad just looks bad. And it may be projection on my part because I have seen couples present this happy united front where their partner is the most perfect parent ever, meanwhile it’s a different story behind closed doors.
MIT professor Neri Oxman. “He has spent more time with Neri, but isn’t in a relationship with her,” the source explains.
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LOL,the truth finally comes out. I’m going to go out on a limb and say he is probably secretly dating some 21-25 year old starlet/model who he can cry to about how much of a victim he is and be naively believed.
I have to say regardless of what the complete story is I’m so disappointed in Pitt’s victimhood tour. Each of his on the record interviews have been all about *his* feelings and whether *he’s* OK. Dude you are a middle aged man with children who are in therapy for an event you are at least partially responsible for. How about wondering how your CHILDREN are feeling. So embarrassing!
I used to like the guy but the way he’s acted since the split, he’s shown himself to be a rancid POS. He will use anyone for PR, including his children, it’s all about him and always has been. He’d use his family if he could. I’m still wondering why Bill and Jane Pitt haven’t said a word in his support since Angie dumped him. And no word about him spending any time with them since the separation. He probably uses them the way he uses everybody else.
Hey, let’s give Pitt a pat on the back, he told People he didn’t “hit his child in the face”. No unsupervised visits in almost TWO YEARS, the man did something the Court thought was really bad, and there’s no spinning that fact.
WOW, just WOW.
He just looks worse and worse in all of this.
And the people who support him especially here looks even worse.
You mean his cheerleaders from justjared.
The people supporting Pitt are rewriting the facts Pitt admitted to.
They say he did not “hit” his child, while Pitt said he “did not hit him in the face”, but did not deny he did hit the boy half his size.
They said Angie was the person keeping the kids from their father, while it’s clear it was the Court keeping Pitt from his children, and the few times he was allowed to see them, it was ALWAYS monitored.
Pitt has been dallying with women, going to concerts, finding new hobbies and finding “himself”. Angelina has been singlehandedly been the sole responsible parent for six traumatized children, been with them, never taking time for herself to the point she had blood pressure problems and Bells Palsy which are both stress related.
Pitt has been leaking defamatory remarks about Angie, while he sits back and does none of the heavy lifting he left for his wife to do alone, after being the cause for the children’s trauma.
Pitt is a weak man, no wonder Angie wants nothing to do with him, I certainly don’t blame her, he’d make me sick just looking at his face.
So I say this as someone who is not a super fan or over invested (so no- I’m not an “Angeloonie”)- Brad looks worse in all of this.
I guess releasing the excerpts from the court order helps frame Jolie in a bad light and sways public opinion his way for now….short term gain for him. But long term, it has to damage his relationship with the children. Children today (especially teenagers) live on the Internet. When the children see this drama about their mother losing custody and alienating them from Pitt, it may harden their feelings toward him. It was just stupid and irresponsible to play this out in the media.
He seems to be a fairly self-involved person with some serious issues, hence the substance abuse with MJ and alcohol. I wonder if the idea of having a large family was more attractive to him than the reality of six children. I wonder whether he’s really all that unhappy not to have to be dad quite so much. Children test your patience at the best of times.
+1. I said in a different thread, that the courts are forcing him to be a better parent than he was.
Brad has said himself that he was not very hands on, that the one who dealt with most was AJ. I imagine that he, even if he fancies himself to be so philosophical and modern, he actually had a traditional approach to parenting, a father that works, that “helps” but the main load is taken by the mother.
Having to actually have the children over, I bet he probably wants his parents or sister around, someone to buffer and make the relationship with him more fun and interesting. I think he finds parenting teens difficult. I think he has deep seated issues from his childhood that he needs to work on.
I hope they get to reach a long term agreement for the wellness of the kids.
With Pitt it’s always someone else’s fault. It was Anistons fault she didn’t want to have kids with him. Now it’s Jolie’s fault that the kids he does now have doesn’t want to spend time with him. I guess it’s never because of his actions and at 56 years old, it’s hard to imagine him being able to change this constant pattern of blaming.
If you followed his divorce from Jennifer at all, you would see from a PR point of view, both made sure to specifically say that kids were not the reason they were divorcing. It is in all of the People articles, since People seems to be the holy grail. He also said it on Diane Sawyer.
And what has been discussed is the language of the Order, not Brad’s language or even his lawyer.
My guess, from Angelina’s statement is that both were aware of the ongoing problems and were taking measures to fix it–measures that the judge may not have found to go far enough considering it will be two years in September 2018–and isn’t pleased that tabloids are turning it into her “losing”. Child custody is not something you “win” because the kids lose every time.
Are you referring to the Diane Sawyer interview where he cried about not having kids and told Sawyer to ask his wife about that?
No–the Diane Sawyer interview he did in 2005. She asked him about whether they got divorced because Jennifer wouldn’t give him babies. He said no. She asked if their marriage ended because of Angelina. He said no.
Tell this to Pitt.
I already said it in the last thread, Photo Op is coming!!
And it’s going to be a telling photo-op. The child he allegedly abused probably wants nothing to do with him and will not be around for the photo-op. Their body language around him will be interesting.
But Maddox doesn’t seem resentful towards Brad. He’s always writing ‘love you dad’ in his Instagram posts
I didn’t know Maddox had a public instagram. Hmm, this situation is probably way more complicated behind closed doors than we will ever know. Poor kids.
Both Maddox and Pax have public instagram accounts. They are usually wishing Happy Birthdays to family members, to Brad also even though he may be estranged from them. But clearly they are very close to their mom. They post her pics more.
I’m pretty sure that they don’t have public instagram accounts. You can tell those are fanmade, since there are no original pics published.
Maddox and Pax’ are public. Shiloh’s private. There are many fan mades also. Pax has videos sent to him by some cast members of a tv series he loves. That seems something personal he shared. Everyone knows what an original jolie pitt pic can do for newspapers. Joliepitt pics are only the most sought after items by the media.
What is the point of making a public account if you’re not gonna post anything new? Not even their own profile pic is original. Also, if those accounts were real, their cousins would probably follow them.
Of course photo-ops are coming. The minute he has those kids he will be out in public with them. He’s banking on kid-friendly photos to up his image, and he doesn’t give a damn how it will affect his kids. He’s going to have paps at the airport to meet the kids. He’s made it clear that his image comes first. I would imagine these kids are fairly bright given their private tutors and world travel, so what happens when they figure out daddy is using them? Doubt it will improve their relationship.
Agree Lady D. Say it isn’t so. We know Pitt is such a private person, why, there’s just no way he’d stand around and take a photo with the kids, even though his PR team will probably alert the media as to the place, and time.
Yeah no way those kids are posting publicly on instagram…I doubt privately either.
I think it’s creepy that people have even looked at those fake ones thinking they were real. These are some actors kids ffs. And people who aren’t the kids friends are looking on there. Gross. And that’s why I know they don’t have them.
I agree. An Instagram account with their real name on it? Those kids don’t want the public to know anything about them. They are teenagers and preteens. Maddox’s Instagram name is probably LACambo. LoL!!
Neri Oxman was spotted with her billionaire boyfriend last weekend, They look very much together.
As for Pitt’s PR game, he did the same thing with Aniston. He spent months painting her as a selfish career woman who wouldn’t turn her womb into a clown car for him and then went out and did the W Magazine photoshoot just to hit that point as hard as he could posing with a fake family.
Many people defended him back then. I hope they are starting to wake up to the fact that this is how he treats the women in his life when he’s trying to cover up his own behavior. His PR games didn’t start with Angie. They didn’t even start with Aniston. They’ve been going on for decades. His entire brand has been built around dating famous women.
The dailymail has been claiming for months that they were dating, to the point of stalking her at work and saying that he went to her apartment and her workplace many times; now yesterday, when it comes out that she’s with Ackerman (I’m guessing that his divorce was finalized recently), the story is that he never had a chance with her because he doesn’t have a PhD and it was just a crush. Connect the dots.
I believe they were dating or atleast interested in each other. Because neither Brad nor Neri Oxman came out with outright denials. And the gossip mill ran for quite a long time, almost a month or more. Their responses were always vague and on top of that her tweets were cryptic like they were on the verge of confirmation or something but Brad was not clear one way or other about his intentions. He probably didn’t have the right headspace what with his divorce and custody battle of his kids.
Guess she just didn’t find Pitt interesting enough! But Neri did milk this for all it is worth.
What a fool he is…
Lots of people crusified Angelina yesterday calling her names, parent alienation etc.
Hope you all hang your heads in shame for supporting a man who damaged his children and is now on a public crusade to ruin and smear the reputation of his children’s mother.
One day and I think soon, the truth will come out from one of the children. How long do you think before they find out how their father ruined their mother’s reputation deliberately? In this day and age, they have access to internet and they will see these articles.
I am so disgusted by Brad that I am now ashamed to have ever been a fan of his. Brad is the one who is alienation his children and he will suffer for it.
Did people call Angie names yesterday? Could you provide an example because I don’t recall reading any comments where she was called a name. What I read were comments discussing the Judge’s Court Order and analyzing the contents therein.
The Court Order came from a Judge so if Angie’s reputation was ruined it was ruined by comments made by that Judge. The only true fact is that an unsealed Court Order was leaked to the press. I’m not saying Brad Pitt didn’t leak the Court Order, though I doubt he did, but the Judge in this case will find out who did leak the document, and then so will we.
The court order is pretty standard and it’s the media hysteria that creates those absurd headlines. The court order is typical for two parents who don’t see eye to eye, nothing more. It also shows that someone has created a very dramatic narrative for the judge when it comes to “she doesn’t allow me or the kids…” This whining sometimes gains a bit of short term advantage but things change and… next time Brad will have to provide proof that the whining was justified. I bet he won’t be able to. The rest of the ruling is based on IF this happens and IF it is proven that she is the reason and IF the conditions support such conclusion, then and only then she MAY face changes in time, custody, etc. This is nothing definitive and is just a round about way to keep both sides disciplined. That’s all.
Alice, the Judge overseeing their divorce needed proof in order to issue this Court Order. Brad filed, the Judge reviewed his complaint and asked questions and issued this Court Order. No Judge simply takes one parent’s complaint at face value and runs with it without investigation.
Did I ever say this ruling was made without evidence? I don’t see where I made this statement. I have analyzed the language of the ruling which is no way condemning Jolie and is pretty open to any future development and pretty standard. Don’t see the basis of your argument.
I assume you were referring to this part of my comment: “It also shows that someone has created a very dramatic narrative for the judge when it comes to “she doesn’t allow me or the kids…”
Just a reminder that in court things are presented in a way to suit the client’s side so what you call” evidence” in family law is very often a strongly built argument. As well, most family law cases twist the same information in different ways depending which lawyer is using it. Family law is not a police investigation. For better or worse, in family court much depends on which lawyer was in better shape writing and arguing the same facts or often assumptions. Hearsay is also very common as is having his word vs hers. Such is the nature of family law. To claim that the judges in family court are infallible and always relying on pure facts or “evidence” would be a complete misrepresentation of family court environment. Keep in mind that bias in counselors and therapists is also well documented.
Agree. So does everyone else that’s not on Pitys agenda.
CNN stated the court document was not sealed. Perhaps only the back and forth between their lawyers is sealed?
That’s what I said about the documents but my comment didn’t show up.
(Though I don’t know the ins and outs.)
Then why is there a document under our their case that reads Documents Filed
06/06/2018 Order – After Hearing (This is a sealed document )
Filed by Attorney
Documents that weren’t sealed were made public and on the internet. Divorce, Therapy, etc. But no sleazy tabloid has posted the actual documents, just quotes.
Nope every single document pertaining to the kids specifically in this case has been sealed since they decided to seal In January 2017. I know because I’ve read the documents that haven’t been sealed ie the extension of the private judge. This one was also filed under seal as soon as it was updated on the website. I know because we fans were speculating as to it’s contents because an S&O had been filed on the 30th of May, and we concluded this was some kind of follow up and we could get no details initially as to even which party filed it. The S&O filed on the 30th was also sealed. What Paige said.
And I’ll assume Angelina knows the goings on of her case better than we do, so would know what’s sealed and isn’t as per her statement about the selfish deplorable person who leaked selective parts of a confidential and sealed document. The CNN assertion is curious, there may be legal ramifications for leaking stuff?? So I hope Wasser is investigating what happened. It’s also curious that no one posted the actual document.
I don’t think there were selective leaks. A bunch of sites have said they have seen the document. Not one has published more information. I could see trying to publish what they think would be the most “damaging”, but it’s been a few days now. I think Angelina’s statement was more about the fact that tabs are trying to portray her as bitter/vengeful about the judge/the changes being made in their custody plan, when we have no clue how she is reacting and can infer from her reaction that it is the opposite of what the tabloids are saying.
The sad thing is that you can google search any custody agreement and see it is standard verbiage used in these documents. They all basically reference a section about estrangement, communication with the children while being with the other parent, and etc so whoever leaked this did it intentionally to make her look bad so her statement is right they were selective.
Whatever the reality of his current relationship with the kids is, Pitt is really coming across as a petulant prize-A prick.
I think the reality is they can’t have a relationship with their dad that doesn’t involve therapists, doctors, lawyers and judges. He did that to them, and he is still more invested in his reputation than he is in having healthy children.
Oh Skylark and Maya, too, I could not have said it better. I never would have thought I’d call Pity (and I did like that name someone used above) a weak man. It’s not about the children at all. It’s all about making him look good and making Angie look bad. Time will tell.
If you go back and look at old photos of him w his spray tan and highlights and lipgloss….you see it….you can tell he thinks he’s gods gift…..his arrogance is amazing through the years. I can’t wait til the pity party is over. It should have ended late nineties….and it’s lonnnnng overdue.
“Managed to alienate” is just a really hostile, ignorant thing to write.
We have no idea what’s going on outside of tabloid-land. Whatever went down on that plane was the last straw on what might have been a colossal-sized haystack. Those kids are all old enough to remember what happened.
They’re also old enough to read and presumably – particularly the older ones – have access to all the crazy stories floating around cyberspace. If there’s one thing I know from my own experience, it’s that they have probably circled around each other to create their own circle, one which does not include either parent as they navigate the landscape of the split.
Kids aren’t stupid. They’ll figure it out if they haven’t already, and any parent working overtime to demonize an ex – sometimes that comes back to bite you in the ass.
Isn’t there a recommended rule about fighting fairly that involves not throwing in old beefs to deflect from the current one? The judge put Angelina in the hot seat so let’s pull up quotes from two years ago to remind everyone what Brad did. Yes, he acted like an ass. Now, can any Angelina fan or Angelina herself do anything but deny, deny, deny.
I honestly don’t think this is as terrible as some are making it out to be. Not in terms of there being a leak, but the contents of it i.e. the custody order.
From the beginning, they have had issues with therapists. When the files were still unsealed, there were emails from the lawyers talking about how Brad wanted to get new therapists, etc because he felt his needs weren’t being addressed–he got clapback from that from Wasser, basically saying to trust what they were doing, etc…….despite not too long later, Angelina also having concerns about the same therapists because the kids were not opening up to the therapists or to her. They went private in 2017 and I don’t know what # therapist set they are on….if they switched to #2 or more.
But I do think both agreed there were issues with the therapists and the kids. They filed an S&O in January and also filed to retain their private judge for another year. They just filed an S&O in mid May and then an Order followed soon after that. We don’t know what was in the S&O’s, just that both Brad and Angelina agreed they needed to happen (no matter who filed them)……just like with this Order. I suspect that Angelina was pissed because tabloids slanted it to her being vengeful/angry/bitter, etc when she more than likely agreed with at least SOME of the changes that were being brought about. But that is not how tabloids would ever portray her.
We don’t know enough to make definitive judgement and I freely admit that I am biased and speculating. But this isn’t a zero sum game. There isn’t one terrible person and one good person. We know some of Brad’s side; we don’t know Angelina’s. *Not saying that she is to blame for HIS actions. But it takes two people to make and break a relationship and it’s on both of them that things between them deteriorated to the point that it did. Personally, I think that Angelina probably isn’t actively trying to make the kids see Brad more than what is laid out in their agreement–not discouraging them or talking bad about him, etc…but not pushing for more than what the order says cuz THERAPY. I have also thought from the beginning that having only therapeutic visits with Brad would do more harm than good. Half of the JP kids are teenagers and Shiloh is just at that threshold (I think she’s 12?)…teenagers avoid their parents at all costs unless there is food or car keys involved when you have good relationship, let alone when you have a bad one. I don’t believe it promotes healing or whatever to only spend time in therapy with your other parent talking about what happened to lead up to your parents divorce, and I think that has come back to bite them in the ass bigly. I hope they get over this rut.
Custody cases like Kelly Rutherford and Daniel Giersch, for instance, are so rare that it doesn’t even seem real.
My two cents.
Let’s be real for a moment. There are limits to what could have happened on the plane. We also know the limits on what Brad might have done earlier when drunk or drugged, simply because Angie would have packed up the kids earlier if it went beyond certain limits.
Does anybody really think that all the kids in a normal non-rich family would still be dealing with so many therapists by now? Checking in occasionally, fine, especially for the older ones. But their lives seem to revolve around all this.
This really seems more like rich people stuff. Yes, dealing with a drunk is hard for a kid. I know from personal experience. Sometimes kids do decide to detach from a parent who has crossed a line, as apparently has happened with the oldest. (I did that also and have never regretted my decision. My brother decided to maintain contact. Not a problem for either of us.) Brad might have to wait until that kid is older before trying to rebuild a relationship if possible.
But at some point you have to wonder if too many therapists, like too many cooks, are such a great idea. Kids in families who can’t afford endless therapy do manage all right, especially when they seem to have such a strong foundation as the Jolie-Pitt kids. I seriously wonder if all the professionals still in the mix are causing problems rather than solving them. I would have gone nuts having to deal with such an approach myself at their age. Adults often hinder when they are trying to help. The phrase “helicopter therapists” somehow leaps to mind.
@Jwoolman
I agree totally. I think on one hand, having that option is good because I know a lot of people who flat out ignore issues with their kids/siblings, etc until it just comes boiling over and in the end nothing is resolved and they continue their toxic relationships. We don’t fully know what is going on, but we do know that the first set of therapists from the DCFS were not connecting with the kids and getting them to open up.
On the other hand, yea. I mean….maybe because I know my family has dealt with these sorts of issues before…but I don’t think the kids are traumatized by what happened STILL. I think any lingering trauma or pain, etc is because things have been very fractured for nearly two years. They are still not spending a significant amount of time with Brad, without therapists, because of something that happened almost two years ago.
I think the therapists should have been put in check a while ago, because they are supposed to be the advocates, etc for the kids and be nonbiased….they should have been the ones to say “this isn’t working” or “we need to try something else”, etc because it is ridic.
Stop making sense @VC. Just stop.
Thank you! I totally agree. The rush here to believe that Brad is the devil–that the whole relationship and its demise is black and white, evil and good—is just bizarre to me. It leaves no room for the fact that humanity isn’t all good or all bad. I’m not a fan–have never been–of either one of them, but the rush to punitive judgment of Brad and Brad alone is just absurd. NO ONE here knows exactly what happened, or is happening. How so many people can condemn a person w so few actual details and facts in their possession is beyond me. It’s also a bit scary, to be honest.
Not always. Look at Anthony Hopkins’s situation, his daughter is estranged from him for 20 years and it’s better for her this way.
Well, Hopkin’s really not a people person, he never wanted kids and he abandoned his young daughter when he moved to the US. So, not quite the same situation.
I feel for his daughter. If he’s not really a people person, he should have thought of that before having a child. However the child came about, it must hurt her to hear things like that. (or maybe she couldn’t care any less about him)
I like her but i think she looks very bad in this. I think she is alienating the kids from their father and she should stop. Whatever his faults he is their father and he is clearly trying to be in their life. A father who is trying should be supported. Period. And that transcript from the judge is, wow, harsh against her. I’m a lawyer- that is harsh. She should be careful.
Her children have to see therapists before and after seeing their dad. If you, momoffour had to send your children to therapists and trauma specialists before they saw daddy, and each time they came home from a visit with daddy how willing would you be to continue that? Seriously? Some of the kids are nervous or afraid of daddy, some dislike him, but keep forcing them to go, that’s what’s best for them?
‘A father who is trying should be supported.” Totally agree, I’m all for giving addicts a second chance, but can he repair his relationship with his children out of the public view, though? Will he put their privacy and their needs front and center? I’d bet money he wants those pictures and he wants them bad. If these articles are any indication he’s practically frothing for good press and he thinks his kids will get him that. I guess we’ll see.
@ Lady D: Hear, hear! Of course this is his sole aim. Make Angie look bad all the way around. I, too, wonder how it will work out when he is the one in charge of all the kids. But he will have help so that’s no problem. I’d have more respect for him if he tried to repair his relationship with the children out of People’s, Page Six, and all the other magazines’ eyes without daily reporting on how badly he wants to see them. . . yada, yada, yada. He’s pitiful.
If you truly were an attorney, than you wouldn’t joining the pity party. And you’d know that is standard language. it’s only harsh against him. No attorney would be supporting this guy unless he was a paying client. And no attorney that is also a mother would even go there.
I asked this yesterday but why has he had supervised visits with his kids, most of whom are tweens or teens for all this time? He was cleared from the investigation about a year ago.But of course his team won’t leak the reason why the therapist or monitor must be present.
That’s what I’ve been shaking my head about as I’m reading all these headlines. Even my local tv news had a segment stating that Angelina could lose her children because she’s alienating them from their father and NO ONE mentioned that if Brad was such a great father, why does his time with his children have to be monitored whether with a witness or a follow-up with a therapist? Everyone is glossing over that the golden boy did something so outrageous that he’s the parent that needs supervision. Angelina can’t make that decision. The courts did.
It’s sad isn’t it. Society is just getting easier and easier to manipulate. I read a book called “dumbing us down” by john Taylor gatto that talks about that.
@ Lady D: Hear, hear! Of course this is his sole aim. Make Angie look bad all the way around. I, too, wonder how it will work out when he is the one in charge of all the kids. But he will have help so that’s no problem. I’d have more respect for him if he tried to repair his relationship with the children out of People’s, Page Six, and all the other magazines’ eyes without daily reporting on how badly he wants to see them. . . yada, yada, yada. He’s pitiful.
The judge clearly unequivocally states the court feels the children are safe with Brad. So why persist in implying they are not? The therapists are there to support and monitor and report on the children as long as they feel it’s necessary. For the children.
And there is a reason they are there to “support,monitor and report”.Many parents have gone through custody cases, including ones where abuse was alleged but don’t have to have supervised visits for year AFTER they were cleared.
@BJ
Because clearly their relationship has been damaged and it has been felt that they need therapeutic help to recover it. I don’t think that’s a bad thing, and we don’t actually know how much or what kinds of therapy the kids are engaging in. They could be doing the same thing with Angelina, and most likely are. It’s just she has primary custody. The judge has ruled that the fact that Brad has had only supervised/therapeutic visitation has gone on long enough, so obviously that is something that needs to be addressed with the therapists and probably already was being addressed by Brad and Angelina.
There is a hearing set in August, so they’ll see then if the therapists are actually needed.
The family lawyer interviewed by People said therapist support is standard in a reunification plan for a parent that has been estranged or alienated from the children. It seems to be for a transitional period, scheduled to end when he has them for longer stretches in later July and August.
I’m almost certain that the Glass lawyer guy interviewed by people is the same man, who when Angelina filed the temporary custody agreement said there was no legal reason for her to do so and had done it simply to embarrass Pitt. Could be wrong about his identity but his name is pinging, either way it says a lot about the lawyers people mag get to weigh in on matters. So sorry if I’m not mindful of HIS expertise just now with incomplete info. Also reading People’s coverage the last 24 hours it’s clear what narrative they’re trying to push, to the point where one article edited parts of Angelina’s statement to an odd degree. Just like I saw another lawyer in another publication claim that family law documents are never sealed, so surely if he knew anything & had taken the time to learn the particular details of this mess before offering his ” expert opinion” he’d have known about the seal. It was clear as soon as I read the excerpts that we’re only getting part of the picture, a damning part yes (as I’m sure was the intention) almost like parts of a picture is being painted to suit a particular narrative.
Tracking, he’s scheduled to be with them for ONE WEEK IN JULY as recommended by the therapists. Why after almost 2 damn years is he barely getting a week? He is one sick sumamumabitch is my guess,
Yes, but like Lady T said, the courts have deemed him safe to have his children under his care. It’s kind of hard to argue with that. I guess as long as they have quality therapy, and lots of childcare help, he can be around them.
After almost two years, why should all those therapists and support staff be necessary?
Carmen. The answers are all here. I’m not convinced you want answers as much as you relish making insinuations. We know your opinion, which differs from the Court and all their resources and evidence.
Lady t You must be dizzy with all that spinning.
The courts do NOT feel the kids are safe w him. Period.
And even if they did the kids don’t feel safe with him. Are you going to undermine the feeling of six children to please a known admitted rageaholic alcoholic womanizer negligent parent? Kids know when they are safe and when they are not. We don’t tell kids how to feel.
So the real question here is why the willful ignorance and blind loyalty to some abusive middle aged nineties throwback? It’s either delusion….or a paycheck.
Either way it’s not admirable. Stand for something ….like what’s right….but don’t stand for the right to abuse your kids and get away with it.
No, Lady T, the answers are not there, however much you may wish to pretend they are. My career in clinical social work and child welfare spanned over three decades, and I have never heard of a situation where a court ordered continued supervision if they felt there was no danger to the children. In fact, I never heard of a situation where supervision was still necessary after two years. Something definitely is not right here.
Correct Carmen. After two years something is not right here. Again- read the judges orders and see who he addressed about making changes to rectify that. It’s not Brad this time.
More likely the therapists are still monitoring just because they can. No chance of the money running out. I don’t mean that they are being greedy, I’m sure they can all easily find other work. But it’s easier to put a limit on such therapy when pennies must be watched carefully. So this is a situation that simply would not have arisen if the parents weren’t so rich. Maybe a therapist would have talked with the kids in the beginning, but not forever.
If I were a kid under such circumstances – I would feel as though I were under constant surveillance. I never liked being watched myself. I would resent the therapist and whichever parent was forcing me to deal with one. Families don’t typically need such constant professional attention to sort out their problems.
IMO that is why I think it was a mistake for him to only have therapeutic visits. I’m not that far from a teenager, but I would have absolutely clammed up if I had someone constantly watching how I interacted with a parent and always wanting to talk about every interaction. Not saying they are bad, but I think non-therapeutic visits should have been factored in equally with the therapeutic visits. Especially with the teenagers. They hate their parents on a good day.
True. I know some custody cases that could use a long term therapist. Money is definitely a factor in these high profile custody cases.
@ Lady D: Hear, hear! Of course this is his sole aim. Make Angie look bad all the way around. I, too, wonder how it will work out when he is the one in charge of all the kids. But he will have help so that’s no problem. I’d have more respect for him if he tried to repair his relationship with the children out of People’s, Page Six, and all the other magazines’ eyes without daily reporting on how badly he wants to see them. . . yada, yada, yada. He’s pitiful.
@ Lady D: Hear, hear! Of course this is his sole aim. Make Angie look bad all the way around. I, too, wonder how it will work out when he is the one in charge of all the kids. But he will have help so that’s no problem. I’d have more respect for him if he tried to repair his relationship with the children out of People’s, Page Six, and all the other magazines’ eyes without daily reporting on how badly he wants to see them. . . yada, yada, yada. He’s pitiful.
I’m sorry, I just don’t invest in defending ANY man I don’t know at this level.
That is all.
Oh good, thanks People, we were so concerned about him. Eye roll.
Given the judge’s explicit instructions, I still think he or she feels Jolie needs to do some work here too, but I hope he also reprimands Pitt for leaking and then following it up with this article. You can’t say “he never talks bad about their mother“ and then slam her in the next sentence. It’s ridiculously manipulative, and damaging to their children.
I think he thought this would all blow over much more quickly, like how he turned the scandal of dumping his first wife into “oh isn’t he such a great family man now” and allowing the 2 women to be pitted against each other for years while he whistled on by.
It’s the addition of the word ‘obviously’ in the title that gets me. Clearly from Camp Brad. He wants everyone to think that he has been with his kids all along. Transparent ploy just like the beautiful, intelligent, so much better than Angie architect game he’s playing.
It is a terribly sad situation all around. Not to add an Uncool Bermuda Triangle spin here, but I can’t help but wonder if part of the reason Jennifer never procreated with Brad is because she knew something about him was off. He made it known during his marriage he wanted kids. But I do know she also simply wasn’t really interested in motherhood — or mostly on the fence about it.
I’ve often thought the same thing too. My totally uneducated guess was that if she did originally want kids, she wanted to wait until her show was over, but by then the marriage was not solid.
Given how this all turned out, I think she dodged a bullet. And sometimes people change their mind as life progresses.
I wish more people would get what you just said lucy. Sometimes, people change their minds! I wanted kids when I was younger, maybe one anyway. Two at the most. But I waited for reasons of my own at the time, then my marriage was not solid anymore. Then we split. I thought about it with a subsequent relationship, and didn’t take steps to prevent it, but it didn’t happen. Then I turned 40, met someone again, fell in love, he talked about it and wanted it (but he already had two kids from previous marriage, so I wasn’t robbing him of anything), and I realized, nah, I passed that point. I no longer wanted kids.
I changed my mind. And I never had any regrets, about this anyway. I do have some about men, LOL
This is why I don’t like when people state “she never wanted kids” or “yeah sure she wanted kids, not buying it”. Honestly, I would freak on someone who started telling me what I wanted at different points in my life. Some people are lucky they aren’t talking that to me, that’s all I’ll say.
Earlier on if you’d asked me, I’d have said sure, I’d like to get married and have kids. Now? No thanks. I never met anyone I wanted to marry, and never felt the urge to be a parent on my own.
One of my close friends just had her first at 42, and the very idea seems exhausting to me, and I’m a year younger! I’m really happy for them, but I’m really happy for me and my choices too.
Also, I think all the stories we read about people who spent years and years trying to have a baby however they could have made us forget that many people just move on when it doesn’t work out for them for whatever reason.
I think there’s this idea now that if you really wanted a child you’d go through a dozen or more IVF rounds, or use a sperm donor, or adopt. In reality when it doesn’t happen for people who want a child, many just make other plans for their life. That doesn’t mean they didn’t want a child to start with.
Pitt admitted to sitting around on a couch getting stoned during much of that period. No sane woman would start having kids with a guy like that until he got his sh*t together… and it’s entirely possible that she laid down the law in that regard, after which he went on the “my wife doesn’t understand me” tour, when she understood him far better than the women he was pitching that to.
He doesn’t talk badly about Angie to the kids he just has sources blaming her to people mag, knowing full well that the kids can read it. What a dumb attempt at manipulation.
What was leaked at first did not look good for Angelina. So his attempt to paint her in a bad way somewhat worked.
But then he pulls this, which in the end, makes him look even worse. He really is a special kind of stupid.
lmao.
Brad and his PR team are trying hard to ruin his reputation.
Starting with the GQ interview, then the constant reconnecting with old friends, dating, socializing, filming, feeling happier and healthier than ever!
After a year and half, he still does not have joint custody of his children!
He should have laid low and worked on himself and re-built the relationship with his kids. There was no need for him to update the tabloids with his happier than ever narrative when he cannot be trusted to be alone with his kids.
There is something wrong with Brad Pitt.
There seems to be quite determined defence of Brad Pitt on these boards, therefore his constant, decades old PR game is still on point. The fact that he’s still seen as a ‘golden boy who’s just doing his best’ is real work – he’s got the agents, the studio heads and the more patriarchal press on his side. (People is not as bad as the daily fail but it is NOT a progressive or feminist mag)
Angelina might be exerting too much control over their kids. I’ll wait and see what comes up after in the next months.
Brad actually did something so egregious that he lost full custody of all his kids for two years.
Comparing that as having the same value the *possibility that Angelina COULD DO something bad in the future to lose custody doesn’t seem logical.
Brad has done a semi-good job in distracting the public from the real ”Red flags”of This entire situation thanks to the fake Pr romances rumours and planting negative reports on Jolie,Its sad and embarresing.Cant even imagine the comments here,had SHE be the one still getting monitored visitation two years later,with damn doctors and therapists involved.
i do believe Brad is remorseful,and i do believe hes frustrated at perhaps not seeing the kids as HE wants and he knows the public have looked at him differently since the”Plane incident/Divorce”Therefore he had to leak the documents to make Jolie look bad,i mean there wasnt even a reason to leak them cause they had agreed on visitation,it was just all to make HER look bad.
I don’t see how we can know if either parent is leaking anything. Both parents have wanted things sealed. Just because battling parents accuse each other of leaking doesn’t mean it’s true. They can be wrong.
The simplest explanation for any leaks is that there is considerable money to be made by other people in the media. Both parents and kids are famous. Reporters routinely stake out police stations and courthouses looking for info about celebrities. People can be bribed whenever docs are not already part of the public record. This happens frequently with tabloids, why would we resort to a different explanation for this case? Money is a powerful motivator.
In contrast, the case for assuming the parents are leaking is pretty weak — there just is not such benefit for either of them in this case. Custody of the children is not affected by anything but what the judge decides, and the judge is not swayed by tabloids. The parents’ careers are better served by silence. They kept a tight lid on things before, so there isn’t a compelling reason to believe that either of them are leaking now.
ITA.
This is so true, but I do think adding in a factor of parental alienation can change the whole narrative. That concept triggers A LOT of feelings in people since it’s something most people have a tangential anecdote about. I could see why that may have been leaked. But I am still willing to accept that it was done by another party for purely monetary gain.
I mean look at the gross things TMZ gets their grubby hands on (gross as in not something for public consumption and grossly leaked).
I’m sure he is remorseful. People often are when their actions have dramatic consequences.
I don’t believe he’s remorseful about anything. Nothing is ever his fault. Mean ole Angie took his kids away. Not that he bothered spending much time with them during the last year they were together. Mean ole Angie is the reason why the kids don’t want to see him. He acts like a peeulant teenager who doesn’t want to accept responsibility for anything. This is all for show. I don’t believe he gives a damn about the kids. He just wants to make Angie look bad for dumping him.
This…….his tone is not one of remorse at all. And when he said after the div that she unleashed hell or whatever….he clearly meant from him. When a family is scared of dad…and the mom says he’s a rager….people should listen. And men like that usually don’t fix themselves and become sweet later in life. Angry hotheaded men usually don’t change.
What I can’t get over is that Brad Pitt, Emile Hirsch, and Leonardo DiCaprio are all in the new Quinten Tarantino movie. Has anyone looked at the IMDB page for that movie? It is a sausage fest. I hope the Margot Robbie and Dakota Fanning will be surrounding by bodyguards throughout the shooting schedule. (Also, why are the 2 females listed as the only women in the movie and they are 20-50 years younger than the men? It’s time to cancel Quinten Tarantino.)
omg SUCH a sausage fest. I will not see that movie upon pain of death. Dramatic, I know. But no way.
I really hope this movie flops, no one wants to see it. It’s an injustice to the family. Keep it in the past. Also Tarantino had been cancelled, so is Brad, I don’t know when was the last Di Caprio movie. It’s going to flop. Big name white men thinks they can make lame movies and people will love it. Puke. Can we clean out Hollywood please?
The last Di Caprio movie was 3 years ago. It was the one which won him an Oscar.
Seriously…..I want to like l dc but he has made it now and doesn’t need to keep up the charade yet he does…..I don’t respect that. He could make a positive diff and support the lgbtq community openly. Instead of……’dating’ twenty year olds……lol. It’s so obvious!
The fact Leo would rather be thought of as a womanizer who dates women half his age than gay is a slap in the face to himself and esp his partner. And everyone else. I’d rather make a real difference in the world…than another crap movie. Esp one with two men who have been in trouble w the law for being abusers batterers. And are prob homophobic on top of that.
—, well, it’s his business to come out or not (if he is gay). He has no obligation to do so. He obviously wants to work with Tarantino and Pitt (for whatever reasons, he already worked with him), he is not alone since the cast also includes Margot Robbie, Al Pacino, Damian Lewis and many famous names.
TRANSLATION:
“Doing great” = not terrorizing children
“Has his energy back” = not peeing on airport tarmacs, can actually make it to the toilet
“Very busy schedule” = leaking misleading information to the press in an attempt to make AJ look bad
I’ve found a site that speaks some rational truth. over at dlisted, if you say anything that isn’t about calling jolie a swamp-guzzling witch, you’ll get scolded by the mods and attacked by a bunch of weasels who honestly think that brad pitt is going to visit them at night wearing his birthday outfit from Troy. obviously this dude still has court orders to have witnesses present during his interactions with his kids. I agree–I want to hear jolie’s side of it, but she’s not going to tell it bc it’s her kid’s to tell. the insane public relations manipulations from brad’s camp aren’t working as well as they’d hoped, I suppose.
It depresses me to think how many people fall for this kind of one-sided manipulation without thinking about the broader implications. My experience with the courts, particularly where this kind of money is involved, is that if one party isn’t being granted unsupervised access to children, there’s a damn good reason for it. If your sixteen year old son wants nothing to do with you, there’s a reason for that.
I hate feeling sorry for somebody with the kind of resources she has, but I honestly don’t even think Angelina expected Hollywood media to come out swinging so hard for Brad and not for her. That has to burn, especially because she was a big part of what revamped his image in the 2000s.
I didn’t know she had a spokesperson. Interesting…
I honestly don’t think it would be for his best interest to leak documents because people would immediately say he was the one who leaked.
Also, it makes zero sense for him to leak when he was the one asking the documents to be sealed. However, if his team leaked it, it was a cheap shot on his part. Even if he did, it was the judge’s words that cause people to view AJ in a different light because what was said implied she is doing parental alienation or attempting even if it is unintentional…
Remember Kelly Rutherford case, people… she had primary custody, made her ex- husband look bad in the press with false accusations, and engaged in parental alineation. I am not saying there is innocent side here. But certainly, he was painted as the guilty one from the get-go.
…he was painted badly from the get go because whatever he did involved substance abuse and aggressive behavior, enough that a spectator felt the need to intervene with a police call. And that was followed by COURT ORDERED visitation with supervision. They don’t grant that shit for the hell of it. Something happened, and the judge was not on his side.
I’m sure Angelina is no angel, but frankly, the setup speaks volumes to me. She would not have primary custody and supervised visits in place if the courts didn’t feel they were necessary to get the family back to a good place. Not when this kind of money is involved.
quit with the Kelly Rutherford comparisons. Not even close. Her husband wasn’t a long term alcoholic and narcissist w serious mental issues.
And he did the painting. He is guilty. 100percent.
Excuse me?! You do ‘t go around telling people what to do or not. I don’t know them personally like you seem to know very well. However, i am making conjectures based on a doc with the judge’s opinion. I am. I never said I know the truth. Go get a hobby…
Miss m……”Remember Kelly Rutherford case, people… she had primary custody, made her ex- husband look bad in the press with false accusations, and engaged in parental alineation. I am not saying there is innocent side here. But certainly, he was painted as the guilty one from the get-go.”
You either. At least my intentions are honorable. We know what you are doing….and it’s dangerous.
She appears to be a great mom and the kids look happy. But I do wonder if she sees them more as “hers” than Brads. I know women like this. A touch possessive over their children.
Well, Janie.. What did Brad do that after almost 2 years he’s only getting ONE WEEK in the summer.
Also, he’s stalking her hotel right now. The court said you get a week so why stalk her hotel? He’s weird.
I would have had a restraining order in place this whole time anyway. He has very serious issues.
Well, he is their father so I would hope he is spending time with them.
No dad is better than a bad one. Being A father doesn’t make you a dad…. Or someone who is qualified to be around kids. Read books about cptsd. A lot of neat things happen at the hands of fathers. And you have to earn a child’s respect. You don’t force it. If a man acts like he doesn’t love you….why should you be forced to love him back? He was a sperm donor. That’s it.
I had a father who was a drunk and a drug addict who had no desire to be around his children. I’m 35 now and we barely have a relationship and my brother never talks to him. I don’t even presume to know what happened in this situation with Brad and Angelina, none of us do. If a judge and a therapist are saying the kids are safe with him and Brad wants to continue to have a relationship with them I see no reason why that should be a problem. When a parent has no desire to be a parent that is unfortunate. I don’t think that is the case here. Have a good day.
Brittany the judge and therapist say the kids are safe with him as long as he’s supervised. ONE WEEK after almost 2years and now he’s stalking Angelina Jolie. He’s a weirdo. I feel sorry for the kids cause they are gonna be forced to be with him for a whole week. I can imagine Angelina is going to be freaking out for that week too because I would be. I would freak out if some abuser took my dog for a week.
Brittany. ….. I don’t think four hours under total supervision incl. trained drs.and then therapy rt before and after every poss meeting screams you are a good dad and safe around kids. Actually the opposite. He can’t be alone with his kids. And the kid said they don’t want to see him even at all. And a is getting told she has to make them see him. That is the opposite of you are safe to be alone w your dad.
I strongly recommend the book ‘the body keeps the score’ by van der kolk. For everyone. But especially any judge ruling on kids welfare. Then the armchair therapists might realize the dangers of demanding kids be with their abuser. And how they will be triggered for life by many many things …because of said abuse. He doesn’t even understand (to be fair he’s not smart enough too) the long term damage he’s done. Just in being disinterested in them….I’m not even talking the damage of his actual alcoholism and his psychological, verbal and physical abuse.
Trust me….read the book.
“man who had to emphatically declare through unnamed sources that he didn’t hit his teenage son “in the face.”
Isn’t that cray!! He should have spoke on record to deny the allegations.i will always look at him weird for not doing that…
Lisa, I don’t think anyone is against him having a relationship with his kids as long as he’s not going to abuse them and their mother. Leaking private info is a form of emotional abuse so he is still abusing them meanwhile Angelina has custody and hasn’t said shit about his situation with the kids. I don’t think he or his fans would enjoy it if Angie decides to come out swinging against his sorry ass.
100% agree. Reminds me of an abuser escalating behavior to get a reaction out of their victim when they are not getting them to engage otherwise. Unfortunately it seems that it worked because AJ had to put out a public statement so that maybe her children won’t continue to read that they might be taken from their mother. I feel for the kids.
Its wrong to accused angelina that she hindrance their children to see brad. For all we knoe their children know the truth and they have feelings.
@hmmm and Veronica 100%
This hits a nerve for me because I’ve been in this position and it’s maddening. I can’t imagine going through that in front of the world and have thousands of people believe the ex’s twisted version (instead of only most of his family and his young girlfriends and rotation of his sketchy friends). He alienated himself from his kids and it’s his actions that led him in front of a judge and he can’t blame anyone but himself, although he certainly doesn’t see it this way because he sends out sources to blame and smear AJ to tabloids –which speaks volumes to me that his only remorse is that he ruined his image.
Same here. You can see the gaslighting and narcissism a mile away. These guys are easy to spot. And oh so charming…except to their wife and kids.
It’s not ideal to have this leaked at this time for either BP or AJ . The release that AJ might lose primary custody will get back to younger children and cause them great anxiety. That’s the last thing they need. The parents need to be composed and Strong to complete this . It’s been going on way too long and everyone will be better off by September.
The current no contact setup seems to be working perfectly for everyone….except b.
And I think with what he’s caused it’s in poor taste to push the situation or expect to be the center of attention here. This is about what’s best for the kids……. they deserve a chance to be free from his drama and problems….more than he deserves another chance because he keeps screwing up.
They deserve a chance at happiness…something he feels is overrated. (His words not mine). How can he provide them with something he doesn’t possess or feel is important? The ability to be light and happy and joyous is very important to have when guiding little ones along their journey.
His behavior the past few years is so shocking I don’t know what judge would possibly make those kids go back to that. He is a creepy dude and has a weird hollowness about him. Like there’s just nothing there. Not good parenting material. His problems are deep seated and the kind that aren’t fixable. Serious Personality disorder problems. And he’s pushing sixty……and doesn’t think he has any problems…..so ……… it will always be someone else’s fault.
I wouldn’t give him a chance to spite me by allowing him to be around my kids. He’s unstable and his priority seems to be hurting his exes…esp ang. I wouldn’t give him that opportunity….and I would see this a mile away if I were that judge. They are in danger ….psychologically physically. I’d get the restraining order and be done with it.
An example of good co-parenting is Jen Garner and Ben Affleck. He also was an alcoholic and checked out dad, but Jen has made sure he is in their kids lives. If both parties come to the table and do what is best for the kids that is the priority. The hatred between the former couple is going to cause extensive problems for,the children. Not Brad’s visitation time with the kids. He does not seem any more unstable then any other Hollywood male who is divorced with children. There are plenty of them. Channing Tatum, Ben Affleck, Chris Pratt. What is stable about theses guys?
Jen garner is a saint. No Woman should have to force their deadbeat baby daddy to be in their kids life. Ben was also never accused of abuse and he seems like he actually wants to be around his kids. Brad not so much. Angelina should not have to bare the responsibility of her baby daddy’s bs. Those men are not children and should have to take responsibility for their own actions
its also funny that Jen is so getting her vindication all these years later. And more so daily. Boy Jen…we believed you….but never dreamed it was this bad. Glad you got out even if the situation wasn’t ideal at the time. Nice to see good women rise above!
Why do people say that he is stalking Angelina? What did I miss?
He was papped in London near her hotel… suspicious timing with the leaks and the smears in the media. He clearly leaked this partial doc trying to make it look like she was getting in trouble…she’s not……then showed up and posed for pics. He’s making a mess in the media because they want nothing of him. They don’t want to see him and he’s making it out to be Angie’s fault. Just Trying to spin and confuse the sheeple.
He wants ppl to think he’s been with the kids……he hasn’t. It’s getting to the point of being sick and creepy..and a huuuuuuuge red flag.
I don’t get it. I thought the consensus was that he only cared about his image. Why woul he want the world to know that his kids don’t want to see him. That’s my takeaway from the leaked doc. He’s in the outside. She’s the one they want. Makes him look like a doucge, no?
Yes..but he thinks he can spin it like she’s causing them to think that way. Like kids aren’t smart enough to see through that guy on their own. Lol.
They’ve known him for fourteen years now…..they know who he is behind closed doors. If they don’t want to be around him it’s for very good and personal reasons……out of the mouths of babes…as they say.
When the kids seize up when they see or hear about that man….you know what’s going on.
And him bullying them through custody threats through the very public media is a form of abuse that is just not acceptable. They need to slap a restraining and gag order on him.
This isn’t br ads world and we’re all just living in it…as he wants to believe. they have friends and acquaintances and publicly threatening and embarrassing them is abuse. Something he seems to be a natural at.
He just leaves a wake of destruction after he’s done with a person. Very gross. And yes….douchey.
Hello! First time commenter but I always read. Love the site!
Just felt compelled to share a portion of my story as I feel I can relate on many levels. My husband currently has supervised visitation with his son and is actively being parentally alienated from his child all in the name of “safety” (according to his ex).
I am not going to go into detail about the level of alienation and the control that my husband’s ex is trying to exert, but if you knew the whole story — I think you would understand how sometimes situations end up like this.
Basically just want to say, do not judge a book by its cover. Obviously I understand that’s the purpose of this site… to judge famous people and their shenanigans, it’s fun lol — but in the end, we have no idea what happened to get it to this place. Life is not black and white, it’s possible for them to BOTH be guilty. Concurrently, it’s possible for people to change and get better.
Let’s hold out hope that the adults in the room, BOTH OF THEM, get their acts together for the kids. <3
So basically you have nothing to add. Your story isn’t Brad’s story. It’s obvious he’s a pos and maybe your husband was a pos up until now. We don’t know that now do we? The fact s he cried about wanting privacy for his kids but decides to leak stuff about his kids custody issues… That says a lot about who Brad Pitt is. It’s a form of abuse. After all these years he’s still coming up with ways to abuse his family.
+++ does your husbands son want to be with his dad or not? That’s a big red flag if he doesn’t.
Just because Angie’s kids wants nothing to do with Brad that doesn’t mean Angelina is okay with that. Remember she bought a house 5 minutes from their old family house and guess what Brad did? He moved his sorry ass to Santa Barbara because he couldn’t stand to be in the family home.
I think we all need to remember that yeah, parents need to be in the lives of the children. But only If the children want them to. If the children do not want to spend time with this parent (mother or father), well, alas, it’s sad of course, but you can’t force them either to spend time with this parent.