I’m sure this will be a very uncontroversial post with only a few comments! Ha, of course not. I still can’t believe how many people are twisting themselves into pretzels to defend Brad Pitt. It’s possible that everything that went down on that plane in 2016 was about Brad being an alcoholic, and now that he’s sober, he has the right to try to make amends. But it’s never felt like he’s really trying to make amends as much as he’s trying to save his image and “punish” Angelina for daring to leave him. The way the family-court judge’s order was presented to the weeklies was not great, across the board, and it seemed as if the headlines were written by Brad’s publicist. Yes, Brad is allowed to see the kids now, but only one or two at a time. And all of his visits, for the past two years, have been supervised by therapists. Some sh-t went down on that plane and it altered all of the kids’ relationships with their father. But sure, Angelina is the bad guy:
The custody battle between Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie is far from over. The actor is “very angry” with his estranged wife for being “controlling of him through their children,” a source reveals in the new issue of Us Weekly, and not he will “do anything to see his kids and have them in his life.”
According to court documents obtained by Us on June 12, a judge feels the actor should be allowed to spend time with his kids. The docs state “it is critical each of [the Jolie-Pitt children] have a healthy and strong relationship with their father and mother,” and that not having a relationship with their father is “harmful” to Maddox, 16, Pax, 14, Zahara, 13, Shiloh, 12, and twins Knox and Vivienne, 9.
The papers also contain a shocking sentiment: If Jolie doesn’t allow the children to build relationships with Pitt, she could lose full custody of them. “Brad has taken the high road through all of this; he could have gone to court much sooner to ask the judge to intervene,” an insider notes. “He was done being Mr. Nice Guy and rolled the dice.”
“The judge could have sided with Angie, but that didn’t happen,” the insider continues. “The judge made a thoughtful and informed decision that the children were in no danger while with Brad.”
“Brad has taken the high road through all of this; he could have gone to court much sooner to ask the judge to intervene…” Or: Angelina has taken the high road through all of this, refusing to speak publicly about what Brad did to the children and in front of the children on the plane in 2016. That’s what he was afraid of back in 2016, and that’s why he didn’t put up a fight initially when Angelina took the kids and left him: it was because he was scared that Angelina would tell the world about what he had done. I mean, if you want to believe that Brad is a justifiably aggrieved father who only cares about the welfare of his kids, then God bless and you go ahead and believe that. But I just see this whole thing as a guy trying to save his image, even if it means using the press to punish his estranged wife.
Photos courtesy of PCN, WENN, Backgrid, cover courtesy of Us Weekly.
If you can only see your children under the supervision of a therapist you did some bad s**t to them. The more Brad’s team pushes this crap out the worse he looks. This looks so try hard.
When was he being nice? Was it when he was a violent alcoholic? When he assaulted his son? Or maybe when he waged a PR war against his children’s mother to burnish his fading star? He’s so gross.
Thank you. +1.
The sickest part of all of this, is that after going on 2yrs, his relative silence about his bad behavior– sure, we got wishy washy vagueries about ‘drinking and substance abuse his whole life,’ while promoting his movies of course, and one very sad ridiculous fashion photo shoot…but no mea culpas about what he did to harm his kids or destroy his family…zero apologies.
Yet months and months and months later, he waits until Angelina, the sole custodial parent of 6 for the last two years, who put work professional and humanitarian almost on complete hold to heal those kids via therapy, love and support…moving two doors down from him…but he waits until she takes a job overseas and unleashes his tabloid attacks against his child’s only constant mature and responsible parent right as she does her annual ‘World Refugee Day,’ and implores the world to think of other displaced people without the advantages sheand her kids have.
Yep. This moment in time, when his kids mother is being the humanitarian she is and trying to provide by taking a rare job over the summer, he has a trump like sh*t fit as if he’s a diabolical 3yr old.
He’s gross and he’s way cancelled for me.
I never thought I’d yearn for his stupid Neri Oxman tabloid fairy tales and planted gossip shite, but I’ll take that nonsense over his kicking his children’s mother in the teeth like he’s Chelsea Handler.
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Exactly he is coming off looking worse… I feel so sorry for the children I’m glad Angie isn’t a push over she can hold her own. Let’s see how long and far he is willing to go. I strongly believe the truth will come out sooner rather than later. Keep you head high Angie!
Whatever happened on that plane… only can see your children under supervision of a therapist!?
Well, he didn’t hit Maddox in the face. No sirree, he was very clear and very specific about that.
I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. It’s not what he did on the plane, it’s what he said. And what he said, I firmly believe is, SHE’S NOT EVEN YOUR REAL MOTHER, when Maddox said don’t talk to my mother like that. Those kids run in a pack. And that comment struck a knife to the hearts of all of them. Couple that with his drunken rages which I think scared the little kids out of their wits, and made the older ones dislike him, and it’s a witches brew. It will be interesting to see if forced to be at Brad’s, they actually leave and walk the mile to Mom’s.
That sounds extremely plausible, and I bet there might have been a racist element to his rant as well directed towards Maddox’s ethnicity. There would be no unhearing that for all in attendance.
I don’t think it was just verbal, I think something physical happened on that plane or he wouldn’t have made the specification of, “I didn’t hit him in the face.” Probably started out as verbal abuse, then escalated into a physical assault of some sort.
@maryrose how do you know that? 🤤
@ Mary Rose: I’ve always thought Brad said He was not even his father and one word lead to another. And I still believe it. And yes, I strongly hope someone, not Angie dares to finally tell the truth about the happenings on that plane and let the truth land where it may.
I have always thought that, Mary Rose, and I totally agree with you. A slap or a punch can be forgiven and forgotten after a while but some words last forever.
I wonder if it’s not just what happened on the plane, but if he’d been drinking as much as he/they say I’m sure the kids saw a lot of drunken asshole behavior through the years. I think they were all pretty much done at that point.
Yeah, my ex is like that. Gaslighting, telling anyone who would listen that he’s taking the high road, all the while making sly insinuations. Nothing too direct, mind you, just enough to plant that seed of doubt and make him look like the victim.
I imagine most of his sympathizers haven’t had much experience with that kind of behavior. Those of us with that unfortunate insight see it all too clearly.
My ex is the same way. No wonder he has limited visitation. My kids don’t want to see their father either.
Ex was just like that too. Thank God I don’t care anymore. Cut off any mutuals (easy with no children). I feel bad for Angelina and the kids.
My ex was like that too.
I don’t think Angie is blameless either…she always seemed wacky to me.
Whatever flaws she brought to the marriage, she wasn’t the one out of control enough for somebody to call the FBI and then have a judge rule for supervisory visitation rights only. Argument done. They’re not comparable.
@ Veronica: But don’t cha know his supporters say it is that mean ole bad Angie who called the FBI to get back at him and he wasn’t even found guilty? So that means it’s all a figment of someone’s imagination. Yeah, and I have swamp land to sell too.
Agreed Veronica. For Brad to have 2 years of supervised visitation ordered by a Judge, whatever happened is completely on Brad. Period.
Family law Judges have seen and heard it all a million times.
My guess is Brad said some truly vicious shit AND physically struck someone, or more than one person, in full view of all the kids on that plane.
(I think he was screaming at AJ, Maddox probably said “hey, don’t talk like that to Mom” and BP fired back with “She isn’t YOUR Mother. Some racist slur, followed by either striking Maddox or AJ.)
The friggin’ FBI doesn’t get called AND show up for some small argument.
AJ has been taking the high road all along. BP is trying to spin this as fast as he can. What an a**hole.
Also, yes, I was married to a violent alcoholic. Never underestimate how quickly their violent behaviour can increase.
SJhere, the FBI was called because the plane incident happened in the air. It’s SOP, and probably because of who the parents are.
She seems like a control freak to me. #Team Brad
Translation: “I’m shoving my fingers in my ears and going lalalalala”
What control freak allows her ex to gaslight them? Even on the red carpet you can slowly see her windle down like a stepford wife. I’m glad she’s free and she basically said -in an interview- she needed to find that strong woman she use to be. She obviously lost who she was while with the abuser.
On the other hand you have Brad Pitt constantly releasing Pr bs to the tabloids aka trying to CONTROL a false narrative. He is desperate to be liked and always has been.
I’m not Team Brad – I think he shoulders most of the blame here – but I don’t think Angelina is a saint in her personal life.
I think it is a bad situation and I think both of them are probably making it worse.
I’ve never cared for her either (though I have mad respect for her humanitarian work), but I have a hard time buying that she would trying to alienate those kids from their father. She knows firsthand how damaging a toxic relationship with a parent can be, and I can’t imagine she would think that would be in the children’s best interests…
I agree with you. I think they are both making it worse for the kids, some of whom already seem lost, one in particular. Do these two really believe the kids won’t see the plants both of them are putting out there. I bet she would love to delete every single tape of her saying Brad was the best father to the children. Or was it just the one time he crossed the line and became demon dad. Sad
She may seem wacky to you, but she is being a parent. Meanwhile, jerk did something huge so he has supervised visits.
When was he nice? I don’t know if his pr is pushing this crap or he actually thinks that he’s nice…
@ Mila: Why he was being nice when he was pursuing the MIT professor, who apparently doesn’t want him now. LOL! Or when he was at the Frank Ocean concert or traveling overseas with his “therapist”(?) and his wife. And all the other times he was filming and not thinking of his children. But again, it’s all Angie’s fault. Just wish the divorce would hurry and come through so Angie can get on with her life the way he has.
I’ll take “wacky” over a substance abuser.
Well, we knew this was coming.
I read the headline and thought, ‘Since when has he EVER been Mr. Nice Guy?’ I don’t get all these rich, privileged white guys who keep thinking they actually come out looking better when they publicly trash their exes — or even rivals, let alone the mother of their children.
Poor Brad. All women are so bad with him. *irony* Aniston was the one to be blamed for the divorce and Jolie is the problem now. He is never the problem, even being the common factor on both situations…
Back then it was damn that Aniston didn’t want to give him babies and damn that Angie with her evil voodoo stole Brad away.never his responsibility. It’s always poor innocent Brad. Now it’s that darn brat Maddox and damn evil Angie and her voodoo again. 💤💤💤💤
“But I just see this whole thing as a guy trying to save his image, even if it means using the press to punish his estranged wife.”
I’m glad you mentioned Jennifer, because as I’m reading this, I’m now wondering how much of the negative press about her in the years following their split came from his camp, in an effort to protect his image after leaving her for another woman. I know he played the family man and philanthropist angle, but now I’m seriously thinking his camp planted a lot of the stuff about Jen too.
I had that exact same thought Lucy2
certainly makes one wonder, Lucy2.
Jennifer and Angelina need to get together and trade war stories while being papped having lunch together. That would put Brad in a tailspin. But then again, I’m slightly evil.
Lol, Mrs. Harrison Ford.i’d love to see that!
Angie has always said she’d be open to a sit-down with Aniston anytime. Maybe it’s time.
JA and AJ are never getting together. lol
They are grown women who can speak for themselves all on their own and neither is defined by Brad Pitt. JA has had over a decade to form a life of her own with a husband in between. AJ is moving forward through a painful divorce that is devastating considering her upbringing and what she hoped would be a stable marriage.
And JA countered by being mean about AJ so Jen isn’t exactly blameless.
Some people think he’s still innocent when he’s so publicly gaslighting and emotionally abusing his family. Those same people ignore the Almost 2 years of supervised visitation. But Angelina is the bad guy.
Back when they were together everyone blamed her for their calculated image even though she was hated for years for being with him and he was the poor stolen man who just wanted a family… Poor old man next door who’s still highlighting his hair like a 2000’s era boyband… They would say she’s so Pr savvy- no doubt she is but she uses it for refugee causes. It’s extremely obvious who was in charge of manipulating the media and fans because he’s still doing it…meanwhile Angelina seems to be ignoring him which is probably best for her health.
Not only is ignoring him the best thing for her health, it’s driving him right up the wall. One just does not ignore Wiliam Bradley.
@Hmmm: Girlfriend, you hit the nail right on the head. He can’t forgive her for ignoring him. Forgot about that. He’s outta sight and outta her mind. Love it!
Pathetic. Weak-willed man with addictions blames his ex because he messed up his relationship with their kids. Instead of thinking of the children and being grateful his ex didn’t expose everything that happened on the plane trip from hell, this selfish man child keeps running to the press through anonymous sources to trash his ex wife. As if his older children can’t find this crap online.
i can’t wait for her W mag interview where she spills the tea on this.
I usually don’t come to these threads, because yikes! But this is not a good look on Brad, he just needs to be quiet and focus on rebuilding his relationship with his kids.
I’ve held back for a long time, generally on AJ’s side because of his substance abuse, but I didn’t keep up on the ins and outs of child custody, etc. Now I am firmly in her camp. BP is leaking these stories to make himself look good and to the detriment of his family.
This is at least the fourth article his team is milking the court ruling for. The guy is pathetic. One article per week. Sad.
Good for him
i hope for your own sake, your own mental health, your own happiness, that you are much more discerning in your own life when it comes to relationships. honestly.
Lord, Brad shut up. If this is his ‘high road’, I cannot image what the opposite would be *rolls eyes*..
@Serena His low road includes assaulting his family on an international flight whilst drunk, then attempting to hijack a fuel truck to literally run away after Angelina said, “We are done, and I’ve called the authoritirs.”
My opinion was that both of them handled the situation in a messy AF manner originally as there were definitely leaks from both sides and neither were strategic in a good way. However, Angelina stopped the leaking early on while Brad, who was clearly in the wrong, went full on bonkers in trying to paint himself as an angel and her as the devil.
He could have easily came out with a statement that said “Please give my family and I privacy, I have the upmost respect for Angelina despite our separation, and I’m in rehab to treat my illness and will continue to be a better man and father.” Hell, I think Angelina would have even played nice despite what he did if he acted in a civil manner. Instead, I think he figured his golden boy rep couldn’t take the rehab hit and knew the press would latch onto the villainous Jolie narrative.
It kind of baffles me that People didn’t seize on the fact that after a year Brad’s visits have to be supervised, and instead stressed how Angelina might not be giving him enough access legally (and it’s kind of understandable as is). I think it’s a combo of Brad still having a ton of pull in Hollywood, CAA, and old fashioned misogyny.
Yeah, she handled it wrong by basically fleeing an abuser who had just had CPS & FBI called on the family. You know she and her kids had to go through all of that because of him but bothism. That’s like the whole trump vs Hillary thing… People said they’re both bad.. Choose the lesser of two evils…it was bullsh—t and so is what you’re trying to say.
Angelina Jolie is not perfect and that’s why she has the fanbase she has. She never tried to be perfect except when she got with him. She had to present herself in a different way– wonder why 🙄🙄🙄
I don’t think that’s what Div said at all. That’s pushing it to the extreme.
Div, I agree with you – I think they both leaked stuff and used the media a bit in the beginning, but she has stopped for quite some time now, for the good of the kids. It’s all coming from his side now, and it makes him look very, very bad.
He absolutely should have made a statement like you suggested, instead he’s going to sit back and let the tabloids attack women and ignore him, AGAIN. He’s been doing it for decades now.
@Lucy2
Thank you for understanding what I was trying to say. And yes, Brad has a history of letting the tabloids tear into his exes and contributing to the feeding frenzy. A formerly violent drunk (and I question if he’s still formerly, especially as the courts are still monitoring his visits) who is clearly letting the press tear into Angelina because a lot of this is beyond the obvious tabloid BS and comes from somewhere (especially the People articles)—it’s an ugly, ugly look for him.
@DIV +1 This post is everything.
I especially concur with what he could have released at the outset to the press. You are so right. All he had to do was claim his illness/disease, let that be his ‘excuse,’ proclaim his respect and love for his family and Angelina and say he was working to get healthy, sober and earn their trust back. You are so 100 on this. I too have never understood why he couldn’t have had the decency to do that for his kids, especially Maddox and Angelina.
It’s true, for almost 13yrs he had a bird’s eye view of how many in the public had misogynistically villainized and demonized Angelina and I believe his team or camp (CAA) encouraged him to use that typical woman hating malice for his own benefit, much in the way his ex did.
While they we’re together I never questioned his silence when some comedian called her the c word and proclaimed her a demon – I explained it away by saying Angelina never wanted him to acknowledge the silliness. Even when his former friend attacked Angelina for her preventative surgeries lashing out calling her not brave and name dropping her for press- I was like, well yea that was his friend he could say something …but maybe Angelina is holding him back from that which doesn’t matter.
I’m sorry, there comes a time when you don’t take the easy coward’s way out and hide behind mommy’s apron strings- you as a man, and a big player in Hollywood say I’m shutting this down because that’s my kid’s mom and my wife.
Brad just skated along knowing Angelina would continue to take the punches he couldn’t handle himself in real life.
Weak.
@ Cleo2: You Go Girl! And the congregation says Amen!
I think she handled it perfectly.
US Weekly says it all. Bull. Fictional sources. Need for a cover story.
You’re right! I’m positive he would never leak anything to a Trump-aligned. American Media owned tabloid, and will be pushing back against it any minute now. Any. Minute. Now.
And they simply HAVE to include “The truth about those Jen rumors” on the cover. US and other tabs yearn for those glory days of 2005.
I don’t believe anything from US. The tabloids are just upset the Brangelina money is gone so now they just make up stuff. I don’t for one minute believe anyone from his camp talked to this tab just like I don’t believe AJ does either. I don’t believe People has any inside knowledge and think they are all like the Daily Mail these days.
They had to sneak Aniston on the cover too. lol I mean really.
I know, right? Pathetic!
Blegh on Brad. If he put in the work to repair whatever he did and heal his relationship with his children without leaking to People and US all the time I would be completely okay with him again, but this constant playing to the press is so disgusting.
Honestly, these constant leaks to the press prove that Brad has not changed one iota.
In all of them, he is placing the blame on everyone else for his crappy behavior. If he was truly repentant and wanted to actually mend the relationships with his kids and maybe even Angelina he would be owning his part in why they are here today, he isn’t. Instead, he is forcing everyone into being around him without earning their trust back. He thought that that half-assed mea culpa in the magazines was going to be enough to thaw Angelina, when she didn’t buy it he instead goes on the attack and has been attacking her ever since then.
He should want to earn her trust back so that she feels comfortable around the idea of him with the kids. He should want his kids to feel safe around him too. Right now, they have to be around him because the courts are making them do it. Well, everyone but Maddox which is telling.
His assault of her through the media is absolutely disgusting and pathetic.
But the thing is, he isn’t required to earn her trust back. Ultimately, Angelina doesn’t get to decide the custody arrangement with these kids – that’s up to the court. As long as he’s willing to put up a fight, she can’t just walk away with the kids.
You don’t think the kids read this stuff.guess he doesn’t care to earn his kids trust back either. Just force them in his care and one day they’ll come around 😂
He’s gonna have an uphill battle for the rest of his life with those kids because of the way he treats their mother.
That’s supposing a lot that we don’t know. Not to mention, the “what will the kids read” gets a lot more complicated when you think about the stuff that both parents have done over the years.
The fact that you don’t think a father should have to try to mend fences with the mother of his child so that they can co-parent when he messed up is sad. What is worse is that you think he should only be doing what is legally required and nothing more than that. There are many parents who don’t deserve to be anywhere near their children because of their poor behavior but get chance after chance to do so because of antiquated laws that force kids and parents together until they are adults.
She is fighting him tooth and nail on this for a reason. If he was following the plan as he should have, he would have had more access to his kids a long time ago, he doesn’t. Also, since the judge agreed to the custody agreement for the last two years and the new one, it is not just Angelina who wants a tight leash on him. And yet, through all this, she still wants him in the kids lives. From the beginning she had him listed as joint legal guardian, but she has had sole physical custody, again, something he agreed to. She even bought a huge house ten minutes away from his house so that the kids could be near him. If she wanted to do so, she could have moved all of them to another country or kept moving around to avoid him in court. She hasn;t done any of that. She has been more than accommodating to him through all of this. If anything, he is keeping himself from the kids because of his filming schedule and inability to grow the hell up.
I am not sure what it is about a woman not taking scraps from a man that scares some women.
He is not required to. There is no “should” – she is not the gatekeeper of his visitation, the court is. Period.
@Bridget Now, you are just responding just to respond. which is fine. I can do the same.
And actually, yes he is required to do so which is why he has been in therapy for two years now.. to heal the family.
We don’t know if those two are in therapy as nothing has leaked out about the divorce other than assets being split. I don’t believe so since all the focus seems to be on the kids and making sure that they are better after what Brad did.
Why are you so fixated on pointing out that Angelina has no control over Brad? What upsets you so much that you have to keep repeating something that is actually not true?
The issue of parental alienation appears to have been raised by the Court, this is serious
Get real. It is serious allright. I would want to keep my kids as close as possible considering the way he acted and the sad part is we really don’t know the full details. All we know is that her lawyer stated in emails to his that he was trying to protect his image. And that he was the reason his family was split apart.
I take that as gold and have nothing else to review or debate about. People who want to hate on Jolie blames her for every darn thing that happens to him or JA. I’m so glad she is about to be done with this clown.
He is upset with her because she won’t come back. That hurt his little feelings so now he wants to slander her with his crisis team. I’m assuming Chelsea H and Melissa E have been given a warning by her lawyers so they have stfu. So they have to plant stories in the rags and leak documents.
One thing for sure Angie is releasing statements and speaking up for herself thank Go.
By Brad.
He will be in full force this fall out and about doing press for the 3 movies he will shove down the academy’s throats and kiss their feet to vote for.
I don’t think you can take what Angelina’s lawyer said in an email about “protecting his image” as “gold.” Angelina is just as invested in her image, and of course her lawyer is going to attack Brad. That’s not exactly an unbiased source.
If there is alienation? Don’t think it has been intentional. She has been following the kids therapists recommendations, not to rush or force the kids. I read the whole file. The judge also told brad, he’s not allowed to monitor Angie’s calls to the kids. He’s every involvement with the kids is heavily monitored. The leaked part of the file, was what brad’s team wanted you to see, not the entire file.
Nope. The documents say nothing about parental alienation but it does say she needs to force the kids to spend time with someone they still fear. It’s been two years of therapy they should be there already but they’d rather be with their mom.
Surprise they want to be with the one constant in their life and not the one who has skipped fathers days and birthdays to have fun with his buddies. That’s what happens when you’re a deadbeat dad.
I don’t think the parental alienation story is solid. The other day I saw on the internet a story about a father who had been forbidden to see his children. He then proceeded to leave graffitis telling his kids he loved them all along thier school bus’ route. I believe that if Brad was seriously concerned about his kids not hating him, about being there for them and about THEM in general, he would be all over the media sending messages to them, even if it was in some sort of code so he woulndn’t have legal trouble.
One whines about their ex to a gossip magazine while the other is acting as an envoy for the UN and not saying a word to the media.
I think we can work out who’s on the high road and who’s on the low.
If he really wants a healthy relationship with his kids, he should shut up.
There ya go.
Brad had two years to rebuild his relationship with his kids, why is it Angie’s job to do it for him.
His own words, ‘she is tough and don’t play games’ he knew who he was dealing with.
They’re five houses in Brad’s compound, it could not be easy packing up six kids and three dogs and moving, it would’ve been easier for Brad to move out until things were settled.
They’re men in prison getting unsupervised visit with their children.
He was cleared of any wrongdoing, children still in therapy, two years later and Brad still having supervised visits.
@ Peg: Thank you. I raised this issue when the divorce was filed and Angie and HIS children kept moving from house to house and he was “sleeping on friends’ floors” cause he was lonely. Why was she and HIS children forced from house to house when there are indeed five houses on his compound? Why wasn’t he man enough to say, no you and the children stay here until you find a place and I’ll move out? Because he’s selfish, that’s why. And I firmly believe it is up to him, and not Angie, to fix the relationship with his children, if he wants to. It’s on him now.
Both are jerks but why does he still need to be monitored by a therapist two years later? My brother, a recovering addict, obtained supervised visitation by me after a year and 16 months unsupervised and overnights 18 months…yet 2 years pass…this guy didn’t get them yet? I find it hard to believe it was all Jolie. Some of it..yes. But if he was fighting as hard as he claimed he was to the press… within 6 months, with his money & resources, he would have had unsupervised. I call BS.
Based on what was in the ruling, it looks like the role of the therapist is to help facilitate the re-building of Pitt’s relationship with the kids. Also going off of the ruling, it appears that a lot was left to Jolie’s discretion and that, justified or not, she’s been telling the children that they’re not safe with their dad. This latest legal development appears to be the first steps in actively moving Pitt toward regular visitation.
Because she has had two years to make them afraid/hesitant to be with their dad.
She’s had two years to try and alleviate the trauma he inflicted on his family. How much of a change do you think she’s seen in those kids in the last two years, now that they aren’t under the intimidating and scary control of an alcoholic? How many times do you think she’s cried seeing the damage he did to those children? Or hearing about the mental damage from doctors and therapists? Did it ever occur to you how what he did to those kids affected their mother? He had their entire lives to make them afraid/hesitant to be with him. It worked and now he’s blaming their mother and expects the courts to make her make the kids like him again, because it’s hurting his image. He should be working twice as hard to get their trust back and he should keep his damn mouth shut in public. If he cared, that’s what he would be doing.
Seems fair.
Are his visits with the kids still supervised? that part’s not really clear.
I ask because I find it really weird that the court even mentions giving him primary physical custody if he can’t be alone with them.
And the tidbit in the court filings about how Angelina can’t monitor text messages between brad and the kids or phone calls – this whole thing is messy messy messy.
I guess you’ve read by now @Becks that the judge gave Brad the same admonition about monitoring calls and texts. Brads camp apparently released only select portions of court docs to make it seem like Angelina messed up.
That makes Brad a double loser.
Also, you can’t have it both ways and say Angelina needs to provide phones to her kids who don’t have them and phone numbers so that Brad can call and text….yet try to accuse her of monitoring calls and texts! That makes no sense, how’s Angelina monitoring the Calla the kids don’t make on phones they don’t have with phone numbers that Brad doesn’t have.
Think.
Sigh.
I never said that Angelina needs to provide phones to her kids.
It is also possible that there is a landline in the house the kids can use to call Brad. I know, that’s shocking.
Think.
They’re public court documents. No one had to release anything.
It sounds like there’s always a court ordered therapist around if he has the kids.
He got the same warning about not scanning or monitoring their texts or calls to her.
Exactly lady D but the press totally ignored that part about him… SMH for the double standard
Precisely. As I said many times before, the ruling is nothing exceptional and the language is common for sides who don’t see eye to eye, YET only the language referring to Angelina’s obligations was released. It’s a very cheap trick and I lost any respect I had left for this guy who can’t seem to be able to shut up and needs to twist the ruling and pay for only specific parts being published. Pathetic.
He is they’re father, let the father and children be together and happy
It’s the judge and therapists that are keeping them separated.
And the children that apparently don’t want to have contact with him. With Maddox the judge even stated that he won’t be ordered to have contact with Brad, as he is old enough to decide on his own if and when he does so.
She seems to forget they are his kids too.
Actually @juliarenno she doesn’t ‘forget they’re his kids too,’ which is why she moved oy 2 doors down and said early on that her temporary primary custody was just that, *temporary* until her family was healed. She told the world that.
Maybe when you have an alcoholic abusive spouse who crashes bikes and atvs and gets in physical altercations with their kids and admittedly cops to not paying attn to the young ones when drunk almost causing them to choke to death on an ice cube– perhaps only THEN will you understand why Angelina and the therapists needed strict adherence to rehab and Brad being sober before it would have been wise to have the twins playing in the pool unsupervised at Brad’s house.
His kids when he could be bothered. His kids when he was sober enough to be near them. His kids when his image needs a boost. His kids on days that matter to him, not them. His kids, but he has to be supervised and they require time with a therapist after time with him. Let’s force his kids to be with him anyway. His kids but their mother is fair game anyway. Makes him look good. Who would want to subject kids to more of that?
He is still selling exclusives to keep the real dirt out of the media.
Good to see a judge who considers the importance of a father’s role in their kids lives.
Makes me think Brad can’t get over the fact that SHE left HIM, that’s why he’s can’t/won’t stop leaking, trying to punish her for having the audacity to leave HIM. Must be quite a blow to his Hollywood-stroked ego that Angelina dumped his ass and never looked back.
She dumps everyone, I don’t know why he thought he was so special. lol
This is the best thing for the children. This is a win for the children. The move was exactly what needed to happen. All she needs to do is stop with the PA tactics and she will be just fine. That’s totally within her control.
He’s done being Mr. Nice Guy. When *was* he Mr Nice Guy? He’s been planting negative stories about AJ since this whole thing started.
I just don’t think this was a one-time thing from him. I still believe that what happened on the plane was just the breaking point and that there had been many other episodes prior. There had to have been a history of Brad Behaving Badly, right? Would a judge would put such strict supervision – and for such a long period of time- if this weren’t a pattern?
He attacks her because he knows she will do everything to protect her children, and that includes being silent about what caused her leaving him in a second. He’s counting on her silence. What he doesn’t realise, or perhaps he doesn’t care, is that only 6 opinions matter, and he’s burning every bridge he managed to rebuild with his children.
That’s pretty specific guidelines, obviously there have been issues…. hope she’s not bad mouthing him to the kids
This is exaggerated crap to sell magazines. Someone got a bit of info that they’re working out visitation/custody and made it a big deal.
Good for the judge the children need their father too. She reminds me of a very controlling woman. If she really loves her children she wound want them to have a relationship with their father.
Supervised visits and therapy afterwards. All controlled by the courts. She has the same court-ordered control that he does.
Reading between the lines here that if he still has this level of visitation after 2 years tells me his kids want nothing to do with him. I think he should stop pressuring them to spend time with him when they clearly want nothing to do with him. I think this will damage things in the long run.
he should back off for a couple years and hopefully salvage a relationship with them when they are young adults. Right now, they clearly need their mom.
Brad Pitt has done “something” which is unknown so far but likely there were witnesses like nannies, staff, bodyguards. However the authorities investigated and found nothing and Pitt wasn’t charged with anything. Pitt also didn’t receive any restraints from a family court but he agreed to the restraints voluntarily.
so far no judge insists that Pitt should be restrained from contact to his children in any way.
Now that Pitt has proven that he is not dangerous nor an alcoholic it seems okay to deny his children access to their father and vice versa?
Anyone know if the kids still see Brad’s parents?
They always seemed well involved and close to the kids. I wonder what’s happened with their relationship?
Good question. I also wonder why there hasn’t been a word from them in public since the split. Divorce is devastating, especially when it involves losing your children, and one would expect them to release a statement such as “we are standing by Brad at this terrible time”, yadda yadda. Instead, thundering silence. And even more telling — after a separation, one usually wants to be around one’s family during the holidays, if only not to feel so alone. Brad spent both Thanksgiving and Christmas after the separation with friends rather than with his parents and siblings. It certainly makes you wonder if the senior Pitts hold Brad responsible for the family breaking up, and Brad doesn’t like that a bit.
In any case, Bill and Jane Pitt have always gotten along well with Angie, or at least they did before the separation, so I hope Angie has encouraged the kids to stay in touch.
The story about the kids staring in her film isn’t from a reliable source. It’s a bogus tabloid story and not a good one at that.
It’s such a mess and somehow it got only dirtier with time.
Theplane incident was the last straw. He’s been angry drunk and absent for years before that. Look back at his film schedule. When was he ever there?
That’s what important. His intent was never to be there daily for those kids. He just needed that dad image for publicity. No one ever bought it. I know men like this…he wasn’t there before for years……..It would be really weird for the kids….. to have him around now.they barely know the guy.
He’s had a drink in hand since he was twenty. And someone out there thinks he can just change over night? Alcoholism and narcissism….personality disorders ….don’t work like that.
Robert Downey Jr. was both a drug user and alcoholic but then changed. It happens. People can battle their addictions. The problem with Pitt is that he relapsed it seems.
But Robert Downey jr didn’t have six kids…..and he is a sweet guy. Not a rager. Brad admittedly wasn’t there emotionally or attentively ….the little time he was physically there. For years. He just didn’t seem to ever bond w his own kids.
That’s not Rdj s style. Rdj isn’t selling his own children out to the tabloids…and Rdj would never end up in this mess. Much less be the cause of it.
One of Brads most obvious pr tactics is to link himself to others that he wants to steal traits from…esp in the media and comment boards. Brad is no Robert Downey jr. period.
The Big Brad Wolf.
I feel this is Karma at last for Brad for that whole divorce debacle which will never die. he is suffering the consequences
Karma will only come when he realizes the damage he’s done to his kids and that he can’t repair those relationships.
Telling your children not to speak their fathers name around you is exactly what a judge would see as a huge red flag .
What makes you think any of it is true? Sounds like deflection to me because his team wants to make AJ out to be the villain. I’m not buying it
honestly…seems they moved on. Doubt anyone talks of him. That seems to be his problem. Trying to interject himself into a group of people who don’t want to know him.
Kids don’t call their dads by their first names. I call bullshit.
Three of the kids were in the first Maleficent movie — Pax, Z, and Vivienne. Pax and Z were only onscreen for a split second. Brad had no problem with those kids being in the first movie, so why would he try to stop Knox and Shiloh from being in this one? If this story is true, then he’s being petty and spiteful beyond belief. Brad could always adjust his schedule around their filming days.
Alienation of children is a form of abuse and it is a crime.
Brad alienated himself. Alcoholic narcissists tend to do that in their relationships with their children.
People forget that the whole “plane incident” ended with an unscheduled landing. They did not arrive at their destination. So whatever Brad did, the entire family, the stewards/stewardesses, the pilot and copilot were all convinced that it was no longer a safe situation for the plane to be in the air. This is why the FBI were involved. A plane not arriving at its destination is not caused by just a Dad arguing with a teenager.
The judge’s instructions were also very interesting in that when the kids are in California they don’t have to stay at his house overnight. Brad must make arrangements for their care if they want to stay at their Mom’s house. So even though this “caring, loving, safe” parent will have his kids later this summer, he could also just leave them with nannies or staff the entire time.
Brad just wants to look good in the tabloids. Spending time with his kids seems optional…unless the judge orders him to be present.
There was no unscheduled landing. What nonsense. They made a planned landing at a small, private airport, something people with money do so they can clear customs there rather than with the hordes in big cities like LA. The FBI became involved because airplanes in transit is part of their jurisdiction. Oh, and the FBI cleared him of any wrong doing.
It’s clear Brad can’t win with you, so I won’t bother with the rest of your contradictory arguments. And no, I’m not a fan of him or of Jolie; just hope things work out for those kids.
The FBI didn’t “clear”anyone, that’s not how it works. They just didn’t bring charges. I’m so sick of people saying he was cleared, he wasn’t.
“And no, I’m not a fan of him or of Jolie” LOL…
And I’m sick of people who think they’ve made some kind of point when they haven’t. These arguments that if a person believes A then they must believe B…just pure projection.
He wasn’t cleared. Angelina lied and saved his butt with the authorities. Yet this is how he repays her leaking the documents and planting stories in the media. He doesn’t care all he wants is what he wants. He would die before she gets full custody making him look like a abusive dad. So in goes his law team stretching the truths.
I have seen Pax, Zee, and Mad with phones so the person who says she has one phone they use is a liar. I don’t think the last three are allowed one yet. But clearly he is whining to the court that she is responsible for the kids not reacting to him. As all men do. He already blamed everything else in her why not this.
So what we need Brad to do is try getting along with mom and the kids will follow. Real facts. Stop whining to the tabs to make yourself the victim when it’s really the children that you keep talking about. Wait it’s only when you are not talking about yourself and your love life, grow up dude. We know people have a lot of money invested in your company but it doesn’t mean you have to be a azzhole.
They are both to blame. It takes two to tango. Hopefully the kids are ok. That’s all that matters.
It is inconceivable to me that Brad Pitt would EVER say “she’s not your mother”.
No Way On Earth. It doesn’t happen. My daughter, adopted at birth, is MY daughter. No matter HOW angry my husband would get at her or at me, that thought would NEVER even enter his mind.
Pitt may be an abusive drunken dad and said/did something unforgivable. But not that.
That last statement doesn’t make sense. Abusive alcoholics say incredibly cruel things, and given the fact that you and your husband most likely aren’t abusive alcoholics, of course you wouldn’t say that to your daughter. Brad Pitt is a deep hole of self-hatred and drug and alcohol abuse, and terrible things come out of that hole.
Their leaked court order leads me to this theory: he can’t (or couldn’t for some time) pass drug and alcohol tests, which is why there is no custody order two years later AND he threatened Angie with physically taking the kids, which is why the visits are limited to four hours and he can only see 1-2 at a time. I see Brad as a drunk bully who texts insane shit to Angelina when she freezes him out. I’m wondering if there isn’t a protection from spousal abuse order in play that has yet to be leaked or discovered.
I tend to believe everything you said. I hope someone comes anonymous to one of these gossip blogs and spills the goods. I can understand how for 14 years she took the abuse of the media about JA and when he started getting more arrogant and the media constantly trying to shame. Discredit, or drag her for everything wore on her. Then live with his mess