Thomas Markle continued to wage his campaign to shame, harass and embarrass his daughter this week. Toxic Thomas gave an interview to Piers Morgan on Good Morning Britain on Monday, even though Piers Morgan has been waging his own personal smear campaign against the Duchess of Sussex for months now. It’s been clear for months that Thomas doesn’t actually care if he’s hurting his daughter, nor does it matter to him that every time he opens his mouth, he proves her right for cutting off contact. What strikes me is this: say Meghan *did* contact Thomas… what would happen next? He would run to Piers Morgan, the Daily Mail and The Sun and sell all of the details about their conversation ten times over. And then the conversation would be “why was Meghan so dumb, why did she speak to her father knowing he would sell her out?” My point is that she can’t win. But that won’t stop stuffy courtiers from suggesting that she desperately needs to contact her abusive relations:
In a heart-wrenching interview this week, Thomas Markle claimed his daughter Meghan hasn’t spoken to him for months. Now, Prince Charles’ biographer, Robert Jobson, believes the Duchess of Sussex is “playing a dangerous game” and thinks Meghan should make attempts to reach out to her father.
Robert Jobson – author of Charles at Seventy: Thoughts, Hopes and Dreams – thinks Meghan will “regret not making contact”.
“I believe Meghan is playing a dangerous game,” he told the Express. “When you still have both parents alive you have no idea what it will be like living without one or both of them. He is not in the best of health and I would urge Meghan to make contact with him and to try and build bridges…Once he is gone, any tears that will flow will be seen as crocodile tears. She will regret not making contact if something happens to him.”
Many believe that Jobson was the OG leaker of the ongoing smear campaign against Meghan, that Jobson sold or gave some information about Meghan to other outlets and journalists which he didn’t use in his Prince Charles biography. I think that’s partly true, although I’ve thought for some time that the smear campaign was a confluence of several different agendas coming together, from Charles wanting to look like the only one who could bring together his family and “save the day,” to William and Kate being especially nervous about Meghan and Harry’s popularity, to the stuffy palace courtiers being completely triggered by Meghan’s American-ness and work ethic. What’s my point? I think Jobson is full of sh-t and I don’t believe that he’s even acting as a mouthpiece for Prince Charles right now. I think he’s just an old dude who doesn’t understand that women have the right to cut toxic men out of their lives.
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Meghan is doing the only reasonable thing in this situation.
End of it.
It is completely her choice. As you say, “end of it”.
I almost feel it’s as if she fell into a vipers’ nest with TRF. On one hand, Charles *supposedly* feels close to her, and yet, he had to have sanctioned that first “leak”; the biography would never dare to leak any information on his own, nor would those grey men speak out otherwise (they are practically “unofficial spokespeople” for TRF wanting to get word out w/out taking the responsibility for it).
She literally cannot win! She keeps quiet (“never complain, never explain”) and she’s a horrible, ungrateful daughter leaving her poor, poor unhealthy father to die “alone” (though he has other children and multiple grands), and if she caves and talks to him, he/Scamantha (yes, spelled that way on purpose! lol) will sell her out in a heartbeat.
I can’t shut up on this topic. It’s just disgusting that people are trying to destroy Meghan & Harry’s happiness (and I hope they really can let it roll off their backs – this should be a happy, exciting time). I know it’s unpopular, but I like Kate & William too & their darling children. I truly hope all this media crap re the two women is merely sexist bullshit.
Okay, your point regarding Thomas Markle Jr and Scamantha trying to pull on people’s heartstrings re: oh TM will be alone in Mexico etc! What you said – TM has other children besides Meghan, and he has grandchildren! So why the *uck isn’t he going to be with them?! The hypocrisy is overwhelming. I think Kaiser has said previously a few times that all they want is to talk to Meghan to get info to sell. Probably none of the Markles get along! And I truly hope Doria does NOT speak to TM any longer and that she really will be at Sandringham for Christmas! Even better, move there, Doria. That would be very sweet indeed.
I love this line of thinking….her father could DIE and then what would she do??
She would LIVE HER LIFE, that’s what. Diana died at 36, life isn’t guaranteed for 30-somethings like Meghan either, what about THAT?? He’s making his child’s life a misery and because he’s in poor health, she runs into his arms? Newp. Life isn’t tied up in a bow at the end. He’s made this bed and he knows how to correct it and make amends with his daughter. Fact of the matter is he’s mentally ill or the cruelest excuse for a father I’ve EVER heard of, to continue causing this public circus in her life.
Agreed ann. And also, what about pregnancy being a time when a woman needs to focus on her health and the health of her baby. If the man who contributed half her dna was such a great “father” that she should reconnect with him before it’s too late, maybe he’d be focusing on her health instead of running to the media to sell his story every day and adding to her stress.
Great post, Ann Carter! I agree 100%.
The dangerous game called “setting boundaries”… sigh
This^^^…i often wonder if these nuts share a manual (the international guide of how to torment others for dummy narcissists and abusers). They always seem to go particularly crazy whenever someone sets a healthy limit to their crap. And no, they never seem to die soon enough, it would be too danged easy. Few are that lucky…
Family dynamics are extremely complicated. This Robert Jobson person has no right to tell Meghan what to do concerning her family that’s shes grown up with! I’m sure her father and sister’s toxic behavior has been apart of her life for some time now and she has a right to cut that out of her life without being judged. We have no idea what has really gone down in this family and she owes it to no one to explain her reasons for not speaking to him. Perfect name for him by the way “Toxic Thomas”
Yep. Ultimately, this is Meghan’s business and no one else’s. The press seem to think that they have the right to know what goes on in the Royals’ private lives: if and why Harry’s eating a healthier diet, why Harry won’t go shooting, if that’s even true, etc. None of this is anyone’s business.
Exactly, Where the eff does Jobson get off telling her how to live her life? Projection maybe?
Even if nothing else had happened, his stunts around the wedding mean he should be on the s*it list for as long as Meghan seems appropriate.
I had a toxic father and I felt nothing but relief when he died. That may sound shocking or harsh but it is the truth.
I get it, Minx. A lot of people should never become parents. I’m glad to be on this earth, but my father too is utterly toxic.
When my parents got divorced I ended my relationship with my father. People act like it is such a huge deal, but it was a no brainer. They split because he has a narcissistic personality disorder and being around him is actual eff-ing work. Who needs that crap in their life?
People asssume that every parent wants what’s best for their adult child. It’s just not true when they’re self-centred or worse yet, narcissistic. Since my sister died at age 20 when I was 16, my mother has wanted me with her no matter what, even at the expense of any personal happiness. They were the best of friends and would be still, whereas, my mother and I are very different and don’t especially like each other. It doesn’t matter, she still wants me around and seems happiest when chronic fatigue and depression slow me down. It’s a good push for me to be active and overcome those days at 47.
Minx, I came to say the same thing- I felt such relief when my father died as well. It’s hard for many people to understand so I am very private about the relief I felt.
Minx, I was going to say exactly the same thing. It drives me nuts when people fall back on the emotional blackmail of ‘ you’ll regret it when they’re gone’. I find this time of year particularly trying with random strangers and people I know vaguely reminding me to phone my parents and tell them I love them because you don’t know how long you’ll have… No I won’t and I didn’t. For this reason I minimise my social media time.
100% agree, having grown up with a toxic father, and not really thinking much about him since he died. Sometimes cutting your losses and moving on is the healthiest thing you can do for yourself.
I have a toxic mother whom I have limited contact with despite the fact that She is still married to my dad whom I have a close relationship with. Everyone is like..it can’t be that bad..But she gave birth to You! No one has ever made me feel so small or embarrassed me so badly in my life. She verbally and physically abused me for the greater portion of my childhood and verbally abuses my father to this day. Some people for your own mental health, it is best to limit your contact with.
I totally understand, and I wish people would stop all this ‘she gave birth to you’…so what? Some birth mothers and fathers are absolutely horrible to their children.
@Andrea: that was my mother. She died nine years ago. And no, I don’t miss her.
Birgitte,The Duchess of Gloucester has been married into the family for nearly 50 years had such a bad relationship with her father that she chose to use her mother’s family surname for the 6 years before she married Prince Richard . Meghan followed her lead in not having a Coat of Arms that her father could use .
Nearly 50 years and I cannot remember there was ever a fuss kicked up about whether Birgitte should suck it up and talk to her father again
Funny that
Exactly, and thank you for this information.
Yeah, family members tried to manipulate me into renewed contact with my violent father, using these arguments but really to maintain their status quo, comfort and convenience. Nah. When he died, I felt nothing but relief and safety. Turned out they didn’t miss him either.
If Markle Senior had been a better parent to her, she wouldn’t have cut him off. It’s not a decision made lightly so he must have been pretty awful.
exactly. I know a lot of people who cut off abusive parents and felt nothing but relief when they died. No one can predict the future. Maybe Meghan will feel some sadness or regret when he passes, but at the moment, he simply will not respect her boundaries. How can she talk to him when she knows he’ll turn right around and go to the press and sell their conversation?
My ex wasn’t abusive but my children have cut him off completely. They tried and he made it impossible for them to try and have a relationship with him. Promises broken by him is what eventually made them stop having the relationship. I have never once said that they should work it out. They are all adults and must do as they must. Same with Meghan and her toxic family. Do we really know what their relationship was before the marriage. I’ll bet there was no relationship or at least a minimal one. Jobson needs to shut his mouth.
My father surfaced after a 30 year absence when I was pregnant. It was only a few phone conversations but he created enough havoc that I gave the phone to my partner and he got rid of him. I had wondered my entire life what he was like and dumb stuff like if he remembered my birthday. Turned out he was awful and I was lucky he hadn’t been in my life.
Two things: pregnant women usually try to reduce their stress and Meghan engaging him would only cause more.
And when someone shows you who they are (as he has, to the world), believe it. Just because he’s a blood relative doesn’t make him family.
Birdix, I’m very sorry 😐 I’m really glad your husband was there to get rid of him and that you don’t have to wonder any longer. I hope the rest of your pregnancy was smooth sailing after that!
Who Are These People? YES! THIS! I’ve had the impression that the family members that have begged me to get in touch with my father are concerned that they might somehow have to deal with him once he becomes much older. And somehow it’s my duty to care for this man that I wouldn’t even trust with my goldfish. Not happening. He’s had lots of time and money to save up for his favorite thing – himself – so I’m sure he has a plan in place.
Yea, they’ll be terrified the old bastard will end up living with them!!
I cut my grandmother out of my life after my mother died. She lived with us my entire life and probably would be considered the closest thing I had to a second mother. You know how many days I missed my grandmother after she died? And how many regrets I have about cutting her out? Zero.
She was toxic. And my mental health suffered for it. People who make these “You’ll miss them when their gone” must have no idea what it like to deal with a person with this level of narcissism.
I think sadly, a lot of people can’t comprehend the depth of the toxicity. They look at situations like this and think “surely it’s not THAT bad” and it’s a harmful attitude.
In some families it’s that the older generation tolerated or promoted abuse so they feel the younger generation should too.
This. My family makes me tense and are sometimes low grade annoying; I truly cannot grasp what it’s like to have toxic family (the flipside to that is that I don’t ever tell people they owe anything to crap family since I know I don’t know what that’s like).
Even if someone has never experienced a toxic family member, it shows a lack of empathy to not understand that others may have a very different experience. And that’s how I see all of these Markle enablers, they’re either profiting in some way (the royal reporters/so-called journalists who are using him definitely are) and/or lack empathy and emotional intelligence.
Totally agree. I cut my sister off 25 years ago. I wish her a good life but I can’t have her in mine. She’s horrible, abusive and very narcissistic. I suffer mentally and physically when she’s around. Since stopping contact, my life is peaceful. Sometimes all you can do is protect yourself, no one knows the inner dynamics. Poor Meghan.
I cut my toxic brother out of my life last year and I don’t miss him one bit. I miss his kids but I knew I’d lose seeing them when making the decision I (and my other siblings and Mom) did. That’s how bad it was that I’d sacrifice any relationship with my nieces and nephew to never have to interact with my brother again. My Dad wants us all to keep the lines of communication open but screw that. Our family has been completely drama free since. I don’t worry about my Mom or step-dad having a stroke or heart attack over the stress and confusion from my brother’s abusive, illogical, narcissistic behavior anymore. Family is important but healthy relationships and boundaries are even more so.
Same here. And every so often, I get little notes and cards from her. I no longer open them, but back when I did, they’d start with honeyed words of love and affection (“I miss you every day, don’t you know that?”) and end with violent screeds (“It’s your fault I can’t sleep at night, you f*(king bitch!”). It took years of therapy and meditation to get to a point where I can even think of her with any equanimity, and I’m not about to sacrifice all that hard work. You MUST do what you have to do to keep yourself sane and serene, and anyone who doesn’t understand that can go pound sand.
It is sad, but helpful for me to read some of these comments bc I can relate so much. I Recently had to cut off a very toxic sister. It’s so painful, but honestly it’s better than dealing with her lies and manipulation.
Did anyone see that Meghan’s IG accidentally reactivated and she posted an email sent for her from her father? It seemed like they were close at one point. It is very sad that it ended up this way. I will probably be attacked for this but I also think that it might not hurt to reach out to her father. I think her and Harry’s team should have brought him on immediately and maybe MAYBE this could have been avoided in some way. Or maybe not? Who knows. My father has done some shit to us but I still cannot see myself ever shutting him out, I distance myself but always am open to talk. I just feel like I would never look back and regret being there for him
1. It was her father who provided the media with their private correspondence.
2. Harry and Meghan tried to bring him in immediately. He refused and instead chose to make money off them.
3. Meghan reached out to him post-marriage and he again refused to stop going to the press.
4. When your father and your sister engage in a vile, year long smear campaign against you in the global media, get back to us about whether or not you would shut him out.
Her sister is VILE, just like Meg cannot control her father, is her father expected to control his other daughter?
@Lorena, he may not be able to “control” everything Scamantha does, but he has NEVER ONCE spoken out to say that he has told her (or the brother) to cut the crap. He has basically admitted that Scammy is the “brains” behind most of the crap he’s done; he is ALLOWING the continued harassment by his participation. So yes, in some respects, he *can* control it, at least HIS part in it.
Ok your father has done some shit. But you do realize he embarrassed and abandoned her on a world stage, the day before her wedding…with millions of people watching…then has gone to TMZ, Peirs Morgan, etc. on a near weekly basis to share intimate details of her life instead of laying low?
Hes continuously showed he is not to be trusted. They already tried to give him the benefit of the doubt. Also, he’s shown himself to lie before – maybe she has reached out before and hes lying about that too.
Father isnt expected to control sister, but he has NEVER spoken out against Samantha, and at one point said that it’s Meghan’s fault that Samantha’s acting up. Meghan and Harry tried to bring Thomas over early. They sent a RP officer to get him. He refused every offer of help. He wanted to bring an entourage (including vile sister), SPEAK AT THE WEDDING (what father does that, EVER?). I think their plan was always to disrupt the wedding, and they’re on the attack now b/c they can’t control her. Thomas sounds more like an abusive ex (she’d be NOTHING without me? Really?) than a father. Even if she did reach out to him, he’d just use it against her–claim she is under coercion maybe, (my Meghan would never say such and such–the palace is controlling her!). He’d sell the card to the media, and they would analyze every word and criticize everything she said (she’s not being kind/effusive/loving enough).
The RR are really shooting themselves in the ass here. Do they think they will EVER get an interview w/the Sussexes again? Jobson’s book might be the last he ever writes. I think the Sussexes will shut them selves up tight at Frogmore. Zero access to reporters, and I don’t blame them.
If her father realy loves her as he claims,why should he discuss their relationship with people like piers Morgan who he realy knows hates his daughter,is that how a real parent acts,don’t they have some relatives who he can use to reconcile them privately,this is a family issue which shouldn’t be out there in public
Jobson is a crazy idiot for talking to the Express about this. Would he like it if someone did this to his pregnant wife?
At this point it would absolutely hurt for her to reach out to him. The first thing he would do is give another interview about it to the press because he is absolutely not willing to respect the most basic of his daughters boundaries.
This is not meant as an attack at you personally but this is really her business and hers alone. She has made it clear what she needs from him and he keeps making it clear that he is incapable of showing her the bare minimum of respect.
All he had to ever do was shut up and not give interviews. How is this her fault and her responsibility?
Never said it was her fault, simply gave my opinion which you apparently cannot do here without people going mad. Of course its her life and her decision, aren’t we all her commenting on other peoples lives?
That’s great for you and I hope you have peace with your decision, but you are not Meghan and your father is not her father. Not trying to attack you at all, but disagreeing. One of my friend’s parents tried to run her over. Should she stay open to talking? She cut that sh** and never looked back and her life is greater for it. Emotional abuse is horrible, and isn’t given it’s proper place because physical abuse is the only thing many people see. Maybe her posted email with him came from a time she was open to working with him and speaking to him, hoping they could have a good relationship. But when he pulled these stunts and not once defended her from her half siblings, she pulled the plug.
And they tried to bring him into the fold. He refused because he knew better than they, and didn’t want anyone telling him what to do. So here we are.
I appreciate your opinion and I have great peace with my decision and zero regrets 🙂
@Lorena
You ever ask when we first heard from Samantha, 2016, her first comment was “Inc writing a tell all about my pushy sister” she then profited from MEghan. Same with her brother – both paid for intws.
Thomas was said to be reclusive hermit in Mexico all alone on purpose. He also said then he was told 7mos early to have Heart Surgery but waited til the week of her wedding to have surgery.
Where do you think Samantha got all the pics of Meghan. All from dear Dad. Showing letters she wrote to him showing love, tells she loved him but clearly it wasn’t recripricated. Doria and Thomas received the same Royal treatment. Those letters had checks in them. Is that why he’s mad no more contact?
The whole two weeks before her wedding we finally hear from Thomas, pics interested in London. Why wasn’t he worrying about surgery during his photoshoot ? He was on camera with TMZ for a week straight saying “I’m coming to the wedding” then “no I’m not going to the wedding”, we learned he wasn’t going from TMZ not KP who spoke afterwards. This while Samantha and Jr give constant intws surprised no invite. She invited her mom and her dad was in her wedding. He finally has surgery, they call Sr and he’s insistent to hangup on them while trashing Harry, Diana and BP. He then gave several 8-9hr intws to press. But NOW you’re suggesting it’s not that bad to contact him and it’s her fault this fell apart. It was always apart. He wasn’t close to Meghan, none of the Markles were, she wrote holiday notes but where do they show where they reciprocated that love?
Where do you assume Samantha got all the info to write that tell all? Dad. He’s the worst father I’ve ever seen and Piers, Jobson goons desperate to break Meghan is shameful. But Brits go off. The world is watching how you treat another princess.
Also that IG glitch was no glitch, her account being opened was done on purpose to try to find dirt on her.
Agree Agree Agree.
Also, Lorena, no one is saying you shouldnt forgive or stay in contact with your shit father (your words). Just that whatever your father did was not on a world stage and it doesnt really make sense to compare your situation to Meghans.
Also, since when is creating boundaries cruel? How many more chances are we supposed to give the toxic people in our lives?
Agree to disagree with y’all =)
Nah. People typically do not cut off close relatives or friends over one thing. This has probably been a long time coming and Meghan kept forgiving and forgiving and now dear old dad crossed a line that he can’t come back from.
Harry and Meghan knew that her father was a problem before the wedding, otherwise Harry and him would have met up way before. During the engagement interview the fact that Harry had not met Thomas was brought up and Meghan just said it would soon happen, but I suspected then that something was wrong.
Meghan has tried very hard to protect her very problematic father, she knows him well and although she loved him she must have suffered his shortcomings and ‘issues’ while she was growing up. Some of his ‘issues’ have been mentioned before and people like Piers Morgan know how to manipulate people who have these ‘problems’.
I agree with you Lorena. We don’t know what went on with TM and MM but there obviously was a loving relationship at one point. Right up until their wedding. I find it very strange that Meghan and Harry never made the effort to meet him.
Lol. You say no one could know what happened and then make huge assumptions about how their relationship supposedly was. Can you see the contradiction in that? How do you know that there was an “obviously loving relationship right up until the wedding”? The correct answer is that you don’t know.
I’m going by pictures of them together, letters and cards she wrote to him and the announcement she made prior to her wedding. Those are factual. No assumptions.
I don’t think there was ever a close relationship. I think the image of everything is great was what she wanted everyone to see. which is why it is my personal opinion that image is very important to her. Going from him not talking to this extreme does not come out of nowhere.
@Tori: …And??? Those pictures, cards, etc. are nothing compared to seeing and knowing the full history of their interactions. Plenty of people have nice pictures and cards with relatives they don’t get along with and/or hardly see. You’re just taking that small sample of sweet looking photos and cards and making assumptions (yes, *assumptions*) to create your own so-called “factual” conclusion about the relationship between them. Again, you don’t know that they had a loving relationship up until now. No one does.
Like I said, we don’t know. I’m not going to argue about my opinion. You are free to disagree.
Meghan barely knew her step-brothers and sisters (Thomas Markle senior has children from 2 previous marriages), and as soon as Meghan made good jealousy reared its ugly head and they started trying to cash in. Her step-brother was arrested for domestic violence not long ago by putting a gun to his girlfriend’s head and is an alcoholic drug-abuser. The whole Markle side of the family is a grifting mess, selling Meghan out to whoever pays the most. Her father is shady AF, lost a fortune and is using her to bail himself out of debt by making her look like a cold, calculating b*tch. Some father…some family…if they were mine I’d do the same thing – distance myself as much as possible from them.
I think the issue commenters have with your post is that it comes across like humble-bragging. That because you chose not to cut your father out of your life after he has “done some shit” that makes you a better person than someone who chooses to cut ties. That may just be “giving your opinion,” but whether you intended it or not, it comes across as judgmental. And for those of us who have lived through toxic parental relationships and come through on the other side, we don’t accept that judgment.
I don’t know whether the Duchess’ relationship with her father was toxic or not. I do know that if you had examined my relationship with my toxic parent at certain points in time, you would have heard me sing her praises – not because any of it was true, but because for some of us, we tell ourselves that if only we were a better, more loving child, they would be a better, more loving parent. So some of us bent over backward to be a grateful, loving child only to eventually realize that how they behave toward us has nothing to do with us, it is about who they are and nothing we do will change how they chose to treat us.
The only people who can judge whether a relationship is worth being in are the people who are in the relationship and the moment you start opining on what someone else “should” do in that relationship is the moment you cross the line into judgment and you will, invariably, experience a lot of push back on that.
Well said, @Nicole!
Oh, please.
So, I partly understand his point – at least part of it. When TM dies, any grief Meghan may feel will have to be private, which is of course the norm with the royal family but it’s going to add another level to his death if she doesn’t feel like she can mourn without being accused of being fake.
But that doesn’t mean I think she needs to contact him. On the contrary – there is ZERO way for her to win here. She can’t have contact with the man who has piers Morgan and TMZ on speed dial. She can’t reach out to him after his behavior over the past 9 months. If she does, and then cuts off contact again due to his toxicity – then he has more ammunition to use against her. She needs to KOKO.
KOKO??
Keep on keeping on?
Keep on keeping on
Knock Out Knock Out would have been applicable here, too 🙂
Part of me knows you’re probably correct, and part of me wishes she WOULD reach out to him one more time, knowing he would OF COURSE blab to the media. I feel like that would be HER ammunition to say “see, he’s a toxic waste dump and this is why no contact is best. He’ll never be discreet even if I ask him to.”
But nah, she doesn’t need that in her life. He needs to go away in a hole and stay there, permanently. With his psycho Scammy and loser Junior kids.
I hope she never waivers now….he’s proven over and over that his main interest is attention, and worked out that he guarantees that by presenting himself as the victim at every turn. He’s a valuable hook for nasty b*stards like Piers Moron to hang their invective on, as though they were themselves above it.
If Toxic Thomas and MM had been amicable throughout this period, we’d probably hear little of him, since you’d expect there’d be no news. But as it stands, and no matter how grotesque the spectacle is, he is in the spotlight and saying whatever the hell he likes about his daughter.
Despicable excuse for a grown man; he’s more like a scowling toddler.
The press just wants more drama, if there was a reunion there would be more to write about , more interviews, more stories to create.
Exactly. I think Meghan is smart to play the long game and ignore him. Not only for her own sanity/mental health but her/the BRF image. The only way I could see possibly reaching out being a good idea is if he signs an NDA and keeps their conversations private (which Im sure he would not do – therefore showing his true colors).
@Becca — exactly this. These royal reporters and publications (and Piers Morgan, blech) are PROFITING from the drama that they themselves have created by enabling TM and publishing everything Scammy spews — and its at the expense of Meghan.
This Jobson guy was PAID for the story he wrote, Piers was crowing yesterday about the TM interview drawing his highest ratings. They won’t stop because it makes money. And it’s disgusting.
Agree with you 100%, Kaiser. Plus if the situation were reversed and it was the father of a man who married into the Royal Family, nobody would tell him to mend the relationship.
OMG. I just played this scenario in my head and it is so, absolutely true. This is happening because she is a woman. People are all “up-in-her business” because of patriarchy. White men who cannot handle a bi-racial woman standing up for herself against her white father. Sorry, i didn’t mean to take this racial, but these were my honest thoughts.
If Jack Brooksbank didn’t talk to his dad because of this, they wouldn’t behave this way.
Just wait ’til the christening. Thomas will all-out cry on camera because he’s not invited and demands a relationship with his grandchildren despite his antics. Again, patriarchy.
I feel the same way. These are realities and we shouldn’t be sorry to have to voice them. Sometimes these things are racial.
Well, also, the women are just more interesting, so there’s more press about them. I mean, look at Anne’s husband. No offense to him, but he’s not interesting.
@Ostone: sad, but true!
Let me ADD on to this:
What if it was a man who was marrying into the BRF and his mother was going on about his private life on tv and the press. What would the public say?
They’d call her a gold digging b****. They wouldn’t say “oh poor mummy, Brad contact your mother!” NOPE. They’d pat Brad on his back for doing a good job from shielding the BRF and his family from his deluded money hungry, fame hungry mother.
This is a double standard right here. It’s disgusting.
I feel bad that this situation is even happening and especially so publicly and that no one is even giving her a break when she’s pregnant. I hope nothing upsets HER and she ends up not feeling well. How will all of these jerks feel then if they make her ill from stress?
“I think he’s just an old dude who doesn’t understand that women have the right to cut toxic men out of their lives.”
THIS!! She has no choice but to focus on her new life, her coming child and health and look forward to her future without his toxicity. The thing that really gets me about Thomas Markle is how he and Evil Samantha keep saying that he “exhausted” all private channels. Well, who gets to define “exhausted,” because Meghan doesn’t think they’re exhausted obviously. Just because Tomantha defines this as 6 months or whatever doesn’t mean it works for the other person. Considering the pressures of her new life and how she’s being smeared, it might take like, 2 years for her to come around, and guess what? That’s okay and he needs to chill, instead of acting like a petulant, impatient toddler. “I haven’t spoken to anyone in 2 weeks and she STILL won’t answer me!”
But, I am nervous for Meghan, regarding how things will go down when/if something happens to Thomas. NOT because anything is her fault, but because Jobson’s whole schtick will be what Evil Samantha puts into the press and a whole other smear campaign about how Meghan can’t walk this back and she’ll probably feel guilty her entire life now will happen for a good 2-3 months on top of her grief.
This is getting too dark, so I’ll end there. It just sucks all the way around and I hope she finds a way to have a Merry Christmas and a good start to the New Year.
If something happens to TM….Meghan and the world will move on….I hope Meghan continues to do EXACTLY what she’s doing…she told her Father what he needs to do to be in her life…as she ALWAYS has…and he’s ignored her wishes…as he has ALWAYS DONE…
I personally don’t feel this is the first time he has been disrespectful AF and manipulative towards her…I think THIS is the first time that his horrific behavior didn’t bring him the results that he’s used to….
I agree. I believe Thomas has bullied, and tried to control Meghan and Doria for a long time. This is probably the first time he isn’t able to get his way.
Meghan may have come to terms with not speaking with her father because the man she’s seeing now isn’t one she wants in her life. This man has stood by while his other two children have raked her over the coals(Samantha from the first news of Harry), and he hasn’t said one peep of getting them to stop. He ran to TMZ instead of answering her calls , and he has betrayed trust on too many occasions.
Thomas made his bed, and he has to lie in it.
My father did not cry when his mother died nor did he attend her funeral. She was an extremely negative and harmful part of his life. I have a large, warm, loving family overall, but most families have dysfunctional members who run the gamut from annoying to stressful to detrimental to your emotional/mental/psychological/physical well-being. How you handle them varies and is no one else’s business.
All the Markles want is proximity to the BRF and to enjoy all the perks the Middletons do. This man had a choice. Zip your lip and be in your daughter’s life just like Doria is, or blab to the tabs and find yourself on the outside looking in. He clearly doesn’t have Doria’s self-discipline or truly value his relationship with Meghan. He collaborates with sleazy people like Piers who try to bring her down. His situation is not heartbreaking. It’s by his own design.
Thomas Markle, Cardi’s ex Offtocheat and the rest of these bum men think they have an inherent right to force their way back into women’s good graces. They do not, and they are learning the hard way.
It seems to me that Meghan isn’t the one playing a game. Complete refusal to engage and interact is the opposite of playing.
I’m really sick of these arrogant, entitled men who think it is their business to tell a grown woman how she should handle abusive people in her life.
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As a woman who has been expected, is still expected, tp make it work with abusive male relstives, I say thanks! My answer to the pressuring is often, “Not my job.”
My sister says ~ not my monkeys, not my circus. Cracks me up every time
So true!
Exactly. And the not “my monkeys, not my circus” reminded me of another gem: “play stupid games, win stupid prizes”. Which is the kindest way possible to characterize TM. She is refusing to play.
Ugh. I understand her perfectly. I tried to cut my father out of my life at 14 and spent the next 16 years being guilt-tripped into trying again and again by my mother who had failed to resolve her own family issues and projected them onto me.
It took years of fights with my mother to finally get her to understand that her issues are not my issues and that no I will not feel bad when he’s gone and that no I do not miss his presence in my life.
People just CANNOT fathom that other people have different experiences when it comes to these fraught emotional things.
I believe that Meghan is actually doing really well this decision. It can be super freeing to finally say enough – it’s usually all the concerned people around you trying to make you feel something you just don’t that are the real problem. I have no doubt she can stay strong though.
Agree with everything you said.
A survivor owes their abuser nothing. Spare me the emotional loansharking argument and the guiltrips and coercion.
Bravo.
Whether or not Thomas Markle is toxic or abusive or just misunderstood is besides the point. She is an adult woman, She can choose to talk to anyone, or not talk to anyone. She is not owned and she owes no one anything.
But I do hate that he goes on and on about how he “made” her. You clothed, fed, housed and educated your child. That is the bare minimum of being a decent parent. Get over it. If he’s so lonely, he has two other children he can spend the holidays with.
Meghan has, and continues to, cut her father off for a reason. A reason that has NOTHING to do with this Robert Jobson guy and everything to do with Meghan. She’s not a child. She’s made her decision and is dealing with the consequences.
She should sue him. This seems like harassment at this point. He has destroyed their relationship with his behavior and he has sold her out to the media weekly.
I feel bad if there is nothing she can do legally or within the criminal justice system to stop him.
That would just give him more fuel for the “poor me” narrative. “Poor me” is being sued by my daughter, “poor me” has a restraining order against me, “poor me” I don’t deserve this. She is doing what she needs to do.
I’ve often wondered if the BRF could sue Thomas Markle for stalking, harassment, defamation… something! Would something like that work to shut him and Sammy Jo up, or would it simply add fuel to the fire?
I can only speak on what it’s like to have a toxic dad. I came to a decision when I got married and started my own family. Do I want this behavior around my kids? And the answer was no. It was the best decision I have ever made. I didn’t want my children to experience the same behavior I had. He wouldn’t change because he saw nothing wrong nor did he ever apologize.
One example was he had been a deadbeat through out my life. Never paid a dime in child support or help out with any expenses. He called me on my birthday to tell me he and his wife adopted two children. That’s one of many examples. If he had just apologized once we could’ve built on that. He died two years ago, and he never met his grandchildren or have a relationship with me.
So my point is, just because you’re related by blood doesn’t mean you have to suffer abuse.
Amen to that! Sorry about your father. You seem like an amazing person and I applaud you for taking those steps to protect yourself and your children.
If this was a non relative doing this, people would applaud her for not speaking to them but becaus he’s her father she needs to put up with his BS?
I have toxic relatives that I either don’t speak to or limit my interactions with them. It took me a long time to realize that it is okay to say no despite who it is and set boundaries. Just because you are related doesn’t mean they are entitled to be in your life.
Why not TM is playing a dangerous game with the royals?
He has only himself to blame. This Robert dude knows nuts and is acting all high and mighty. Shame on you Robert, shame on you.
Meghan, Harry and Doria, keep your chins up.
Omg she can distance herself from toxic behavior/relationship and still feel genuine grief at the loss of her father, either now while he has caused this horrible rift or in the future when he passes. Jobson disgusts me.
The British public won’t see it that way and unless someone smacks Piers Morgan in the head, he will be nursing the evil Meghan narrative 24/7
Yep I agree. He needs a proper dressing down, something powerful, maybe a signed letter to real newspapers from famous people who have been through the mill at the hands of utter gits like him.
He’s a pustule on the bum of the media.
I resent comments made by assholes like this Jobson guy. I don’t see my own father for SO many excellent reasons. The next time someone in my family cajoles me to do so, I might just blurt out the reasons so I can see the look on their clueless faces.
I’m imagining Prince Charles striding up to this Jobson guy and saying “How dare you, sir! How dare you!”, and then Charles slaps Jobson across the face with a leather glove. It actually sickens me when I read about Charles starting rumors, etc. about his own kids. I hope it’s not true. I was just starting to like him.
This. How dare he. I know from experience and he has no clue at all. Meghan will be just fine.
+1 ☺️
“I think Jobson is full of sh-t and I don’t believe that he’s even acting as a mouthpiece for Prince Charles right now.”
I agree but I’m still convinced that Charles was OK with Jobson’s original leaks which resulted in courtiers, W&K etc. jumping on the train and starting to leak as well. So IMO Charles triggered the media crazy, but I’m also sure he didn’t expect it to blow up like it did.
And even if she did speak to him again, what’s next? All the Markles are a package deal. Evil Samantha and Tom the Troll Jr would be screaming for access to Meaghan and the BRF too.
As someone who cut off contact with my father I might be projecting a little here, but … will Meghan have regrets about Thomas? Sure. She will regret his love for her wasn’t strong enough to overcome his venal, narcissistic impulses. She will regret every hurtful, shaming remark he makes in the same breath expecting her absolutely allegiance to him as her father. She will regret every pang of guilt and pain Doria feels for bringing this toxic shadow into her daughter’s life (even though none of this is Doria’s fault). She will NEVER regret shutting this door.
Absolutely Jessamine. She might regret what should have been, but by now she knows that ‘Dad’ is only offering more pain. People will often put up with things themselves but won’t expose their kids to it.
EXACTLY, Jessamine! I regret I don’t have a “good” father. When he dies, I will probably cry for what I never had and a tiny tiny bit for him. Because even though the thought of him scares me and causes a visceral reaction, we did have a few good times. I mean it’s even said that Hitler liked animals! Very few people are 100% evil. So does Hitler get a pass? Nope. And neither should my father. He’s no Hitler, but he is guilty of heinous crimes on a smaller scale.
I think those few good times and the guilt in my head and ringing in my ears: “honor thy parents”, “he’s the only father you’ll ever have”, “he’s FAMILY!” etc…ad nauseum kept me fighting myself and trying to get along with him on and off until I was 31. That’s a long time.
Like other posters noted, I am also furious about this Jobson tool saying Megan is playing a dangerous game. No! Thomas Markle is in the wrong here! 100% And I really want some pics of Kate & Meghan having a good time together and Charles being kind & sweet (like his 70th). All this game-playing they’re supposedly doing behind each other’s backs makes me sick. It reminds me of how terribly sad I was for William & Harry & just everyone really when Diana died.
Sorry, I’m on a rampage this morning. 🤐🤭
Don’t be sorry: YOU GO GIRL!!!! 👍🏻👏🏻 Spot on!
This absolutely infuriates me. It is not ANYBODY’S place to tell Meghan what she needs to do or not do in terms of her relationship with her father. Not even Harry. Everyone needs to STFU and mind their own business. UGH!!!!
I feel very bad for her and everyone going through a situation like this. People who want to guilt and shame her into contact with her toxic family have simply no idea what its like to deal with toxic family / family members. Its a nightmare.
I am estranged from my father and when I see Thomas Markle he reminds me so much of my own father. It triggers a lot. A few days ago I received a letter from my father, where he orders me to meet him in January and that he will fly into the city where I live. I am 34 years old and it makes me so angry and at the same time scares the shit out of me.
I wish it was as easy as saying, just don’t meet him but it’s not. jules, I say this with all the kindness and from experience, get help. Find a therapist, either through your doctor or online (read the comments) and get help. I was in your exact position for years, terrified to the point of inaction and so much rage at myself. Please get help, it is honestly the best thing in the world you can do for yourself. It will change your life for the better. The day you can tell your father to hit the road will be one of the greatest in your life.(if that’s what you want from him) You won’t feel like rejoicing, but you will feel some peace, you will realize what kind of courage you do have, your confidence will improve amazingly, and you deserve a life with some joy. Don’t live the rest of your life like this, you deserve better.
Also, is it possible to bring someone with you when you meet your father? Meet in public instead of your home? My parents never once stepped foot in any of my homes and I was fine with that. I didn’t want them in the memories.
The first therapist I saw specialized in historic abuse, she came recommended by my doctor and she has to this day, my undying gratitude. She saved my sanity, and she showed me how to have a life I can enjoy. You deserve the same jules, just talk to someone.
Lady D makes some good points & suggestions. I would say, don’t meet him. Make your own plans for that day/week. Tell him or don’t tell him, your life is your own.
This is her father she knows him better than all of us. She’s even praised him in the past so it must have been a build up of things from the past and present that made her come to this decision. With his age and health I think she thought about that but he clearly crossed the line with her. She has to do what’s best for her not anyone else. We’re not the ones that had to grow up with him or the markles judging how crappy they are in public I can assume they’re even worse in private.
This whole PR rollout of the ‘scary father’ or whatever they were going for backfired. Meghan is so cute looking, one forgets that this is an adult woman representing an earnest institution. There is no way she, or the many people who work on her behalf couldn’t have done some light family mediation. The dad going on and on to the press about nothing, is obviously a phony narrative. I feel like some PR person suggested Meghan needed some kind of sympathy machine. But did it ever work? There was nothing to suggest Meghan wasn’t on good terms with her father at any point in the past.
You are giving her way too much credit like she’s an evil genius. If you think her dad is playing bad cop to her good cop for PR
PR Rollout? Thomas is plenty scary on his own. And if he truly is as troubled and self-centered as he appears to be, who knows if he would have been open to mediation? He didn’t answer her calls when she tried to reach him before the wedding; he went to TMZ. If you’re saying this is all fake, I don’t know what to tell you. It is pretty obviously real and we don’t know what happened between her and her father at any given point. Just like photos lie, his going to the press with her personal notes and letters to him is just vile and shows that he’s trying to prove something that may have gaps in the story. What if they had a falling out that he’s not talking about?
So…let me get this straight.
Meghan decided to ‘roll out’ her loser father to the press, then have him take blatantly obvious staged photos, cancel a couple days before her wedding, fake a heart attack, then give numerous print and video interviews with TMZ and other outlets???
Even if all that was true, what good would it do? Before all of this, most Meghan news was positive (aside from Daily Fail nonsense), she wouldnt have even needed this “roll out”.
And what makes you think they didnt try a mediation of some sort? The BRF have stayed mum and theres no way TM would admit they tried to calm him down, bring him into the fold, and he wouldnt listen.
That… is some impressive reaching. Elastigirl-level reaching.
What kind of drugs are you on?
Your comment is so disrespectful to another’s comment. Just because you don’t agree doesn’t give you the right to demean someone. Shame on you!
How very Tumblr conspiracist of you. And you’re wrong on your last sentence; Meghan has had issues with Thomas since she was a teenager. Her leaky ex-friend Ninaki said that they weren’t on speaking terms at one point during her teen years. I believe she even had a video of Meghan talking about it at the time.
I’m confused. The media is not powerless. Public Relations, which every public figure has, is not powerless. The reason we don’t have Bigfoot sightings at the top of every news headline is because the media is highly organized and well endowed. I just don’t believe in the ‘sad Meghan’ story is all. That doesn’t mean I think she is an evil genius. It’s just publicity. And Meghan having “issues” with her father as a teenager? What does that even mean?
So are Tori and Liz the same person?
Or actually Samantha?😂
Because there is some next level delusion going on in their posts.
No, Thomas Markle is playing a dangerous game with Meghan. There: fixed.
Tom’s behavior and Doria’s spot the difference. All Tom had to do was be quiet go along with what his daughter and son-in-law instructed him to do he could’ve been living in a flat all bills paid out of Meghan’s Suits rerun checks.
I cut my mother out of my life in my early 20s. She was always narcissist and bullying when I was growing up, became jealous in my teenage years, hit on my male friends, had affairs, etc. When my dad finally had enough (I was 21-22 then and out of house) she actively attempted to make me “choose her” in their acrimonious divorce. I lost it, told her off, and pretty much cut her off at that point. My dad died shortly after the divorce but before their marital home sold…..and when it did, she attempted to keep all the proceeds for herself (despite the divorce degree that they split it, and his will that said my brother and I were to receive his portion). That was the ultimate, final straw for me, She died 10 years later never having seen her grandson by me, Do I regret it? Nah. But I regret not having a mother, however, that’s on her, not on me.
MM doesnt need this crap in her life, and she sure doesn’t need to saddle her child with it either.
Exactly. You can mourn the loss of the mother you deserved but didn’t get. Doesn’t mean you to have to mourn the one you did get.
The rags want more stories to sell and the no contact angle is getting stale. Meghan Harry and the BRF know the Markles Monsters in Law are a package deal. They are banking that life events would force a meeting. They forgot the history of the Duke and Duchess of Windsor. Except for coronation and funerals they were ghosted for life and they made media noise.
No one’s playing a game. He can’t be trusted and she’s cut him off. End of. If these men want to do something useful, they should contact her father every time he acts up and tell him to shut it. But that’s not what they really want is it.
The author who publicly expressed that sentiment is completely out of line.
Well, thank God there’s A MAN around to point out the error of her ways!!! Now we know how to act ladies!
Mansplaining at its lowest. Who even asked Jobson’s opinion? Maybe he wants to get his name out there to further publicize his book. Nothing like jumping on the bandwagon to further muddy the waters.
He’s one of the reporters who always has a chip on his shoulder when it comes to Meghan. During the Australian portion of the tour, he was a guest commentator on one of the morning shows. Whenever the newscasters would praise her/the Sussexes, Jobson tended to get very testy and often brought up Kate to counter the praise. He also said he didn’t believe that Meghan really baked the banana bread she brought for the Dubbo farmers.
If I ever come across Jobson in public or private , I shall give him a piece of my mind.
This REALLY annoys me. I’m estranged from my mom, who was emotionally and mentally abusive, as well as sometimes physically abusive. She still tries to manipulate me, and successfully manipulates my little brother. She caused so much pain that took years of therapy to overcome and create healthy relationship habits. But I did that, and she’s just toxic. Refuses to take any responsibility, and hasn’t changed. She’s had so many chances that when she does the exact same thing again, that’s on ME bc I should’ve known better, you know? You don’t deserve a tenth chance when you’re doing the same things wrong. Anyway, people tend to be really judgy bc they just can’t understand it. You think Meg doesn’t think about “what if he drops dead tomorrow, will I regret this?” Of course she does. But she’s doing her best to protect herself, and you should stfu with your judgement in situations you know nothing about.
If I were Meghan I would recognize that although I have every right to cut Toxic Tom out of my life it would be a PR disaster if he died without having spoken to me. The British Press is vicious to the nth degree and various commenters on social media accounts are starting to write evil things about Meghan. As a PR tactic I would send him several post cards saying short but meaningless things like “Harry’s taking great care of me. Hope you are well, Love Meghan” or “Dear Dad, Happy Holidays, Love Meghan”. I’d also make a phone call with brief meaningless chatter like asking him about his health, telling him I’m fine, making future plans to have lunch or dinner together. Then I’d never meet him.
If he dies before they have contact the BRITISH PRESS will have a field day with Meghan and will NEVER allow her to live it down even though he is the toxic one. I think she needs to play a PR strategy game with him to make it look like she’s “reaching out for daddy” but not really on anything other than a superficial level. Play the British Press at their own nasty game. Send Toxic Tom a postcard.
I disagree. She could only hold him at arm length for so long… and then what?
Also: she does not owe anybody a pr game that might endanger her mental health. This man is obviously a narcissistic bully. Best option is to stay away.
Scylla74,
The public relations maneuver would not be for the benefit of Toxic Tom. It would be for her own benefit and her chance to take back control of the narrative. Piers Morgan and millions of people on social media are saying horrible things about Meghan and that contributes to a hateful atmosphere where Meghan, Harry’s and Polo Sussex’s lives are at risk. The only person she owes a PR maneuver to is herself. Play the Game. *Cersei Lannister voice*
But she’s getting abused by the press and public now. Which lion is easier to tame?
Yikes, you clearly have no idea how situations like this work.
Perhaps not, but I do know that the Black Woman will always be blamed and a significant portion of the British people on social media have similar sentiment toward Meghan as Piers Morgan because he is out there everyday trashing her. She needs to take control of the optics so she can APPEAR to be in communication with her dad even if in reality she doesn’t do much more than say “Hi Dad”.
The British Tabloids are way more awful than American Tabloids. If he dies and she hasn’t said a word to him, the public and the tabloids will not be supportive of Duchess Meghan the mean cold Black Woman. See Michelle Obama.
It won’t be a PR disaster. Every adult child with a toxic parent will understand. There are millions of us and we know she’s doing the right thing. You cannot reason with the unreasonable. He won’t be the first parent estranged from his child when he buys the farm and he won’t be the last. Megan has bigger fish to fry.
@HK9 Bingo. You cannot try to use reason against a person who is fundamentally unreasonable. She’ll never “win” with some people no matter what she does. She doesn’t have to give up her emotional and mental well being just so you can talk about her PR. That is simply perpetrating the abuse towards her and is unacceptable.
I agree 100%. This is not an unknown citizen (like the rest of us.) This is someone who MUST get ahead of the PR game and gain control. You can’t cut out cancer by ignoring it. You have to handle it with expert strategy.
I wish several high profile female celebrities like Oprah, Tina Turner, Janet Jackson, Beyoncé, Serena, Chimamanda Ngozie Adichie, Toni Morrison, Maxine Waters, Michelle Obama, etc would take out a full page ad in a major British paper with a message like: Attention Piers Morgan, You cannot own a Black Woman’s body lock, stock and barrel. She has a right to her own life and her own decisions. Slavery was abolished in the Americas over 150 years ago and even earlier in British colonies. Duchess Meghan is not your property.
That would be interesting….but better to be silent sometimes and allow people like Thomas Markle to continue to dig themselves into a hole.
No problem with her not having her father in her life. I think that he is quite toxic and she really doesn’t have a choice. However, with that said I remember when Jennifer Aniston didn’t associate with her mother and people on this site were very upset saying how she would regret it and everybody should give their parents a chance it went on and on. I couldn’t believe it – some of the posters were totally incensed and angry about it. Now we have the same thing with Meghan. Jennifer‘s mother was toxic as well. Sad that we haven’t moved along in society enough to know that both males and females can be toxic and that we have the right not to associate with whoever we want even parents. I personally believe that people turned on Jennifer abdvher mother because it was just an overall hate for her. Perhaps if at the time support for Jennifer had been greater Meghan would not be going through this in quite the same way
I think we actually have a very clear sense now of where the smear campaign and rumors are coming from – Jobson and the dismissed PA. I don’t think any of this comes from Charles or the Cambridges – it’s toxic to all of them. Now, is it possible that people working on the various palaces started to gossip and spread more rumors once all this was in the works? Sure – it’s likely. But I don’t think there is any evidence to support the idea that this is generated from Charles, William, Kate, or Carole.
Absolutely! They don’t go low like that, and Charles of all of them would counsel distance from this muckraking crew.
The whole family must be quietly fuming about this repellent father, and wanting to shield Meghan as much as they can.
The only really dodgy royal in my view is Princess M of K, and she’d be a damn fool to try her hand at this, though she and her husband are famously venal. Well….two others do come to mind, but really, it’s way too risky. Who’d trust Piers Morgan one inch? He’d betray a confidence with no qualms.
Good Lord, there are a whole lot of men who have put a stake in Meghan’s situation with her Dad without it being their business. It is ridiculous.
Everyone from Piers Morgan to Jobson should back the eff off. It isn’t their life nor about *them*, so their hot air opinions are unnecessary. The only other qualified man to have a place here is Prince Harry.
THIS. I think it’s a remnant of patriarchy that they’re mourning. They secretly want the days when women belonged to their fathers and then their husbands back. I think it’s threatening to them when a woman in that position unapologetically declares her right to personhood and association.
I mean can you imagine if a woman had a drink with a man once and was wailing about it on their morning tv show 2 years later. It would never happen coz we all accept mens right to choose who they associate with. MM is low key shedding some of those patriarchal norms that we just accept.
After all the crap Piers Morgan has said about Meghan her dad goes to his show to give him an interview?? Then he wonders why he has been ghosted. Her family can’t even give her peace for 9 months. They know the UK press is attacking her day after day and then they just pile more on. At this point I wouldn’t be surprised if after the baby is born her dad and sister sue her for visitation of the baby or some shit.
But it’s bad for the patriarchy if she doesn’t bow to him!!! Her tears will be seen through the untouched lens of patriarchy, don’t you know!!!!
I find it interesting how Thomas “Troll” Markle is very careful in not criticizing Doria too much. He has dragged The Queen, Prince Harry and the rest of the royal family into this shitshow, but rarely mentions his ex wife.
Doria must have some serious dirt on him and she is keeping quiet so not to upset her child. But even Doria must be close to her breaking point by now.
Thomas may be the one playing a dangerous game
Came to commen and Kaiser nailed
I think Megan does want to reach out to her father even though he said things he shouldn’t have
but why doesnt anyone think the Royals would not allow that. They pretty much control
her life so I can see them playing a big part in this. Megan was close to him before Harry came
and even though her dad has been a problem you can tell he’s hurt so they should speak at some point but not the half sister…heck no.
…and if they speak he will sell the conversation in paragraph sized doses to keep him in the news and on TV for at least 6-8 weeks. They will find a way to twist and slam every word she speaks. She knows this and she’s not going to give him the ammunition. If she talks to him, she loses.
You’re funny, heck if the Duchess wanted to speak to her father, no one would stop her, she did not join a convent.
As a survivor of a BPD parent, my experienced opinion is the “dangerous game” would be to give in to his manipulation. If he loves her, he will let her go.
To call it a “game” dangerous or not shows how little he knows or understands. If, big if, she ever is in touch with her father again it won’t be due to the interviews or stranger’s opinions.
Absolutely not. The moment she, Harry or anyone disagrees with him that private conversation will be made fodder for the tabloid press. Meghan has enough on her plate and her father has made it clear what is more.important to.him.and it is not her peace of mind.
Such sexist BS to say she’s the one “playing a game.” Clearly it’s that toxic father of hers playing mind games with her on an international stage. So sad for her.
What an asshole whoever this person is.
Why is this the perspective he chooses to focus on
Thomas is a very disgusting man and not because he is going to the press, he could have gone to the press admitting what a terrible father he has been and acknowledging the damage and mistrust he has put her through.
but no he is going to the press and fuelling all the negativity towards Meghan and then in the same breath says he loves her.
How can a father say he loves his daughter when He can see how the press is tearing her down daily and abusing her, do you defend her Thomas? No you even contribute to this by saying she is controlling.
Not once have you defended your daughter or even show any outrage for the negative press.
You do an interview with the same man that’s part of the abuse of your daughter, you have even adopted his ghosting term to describe her ignoring you.
You can sit down with a person that constantly abuses her and you say you love her.
Selling her personal letters and pictures to the media.
I’m not sure what love is but I’m sure it’s not this.
Sick sick man.
That shows how much you love her
I always felt if she had introduced Harry to her father when they first realized they were getting serious and no one knew any thing about them, then all of this would not have happened. They had enough resources between the both of them to all meet up early on. Now I would not meet up with Thomas Markle. Its clear he cares more about what people think of him than what his daughter thinks of him or fixing their relationship. Plus he keeps on selling her out. If she meets up with him she has no guarantee that he will keep their conversations private. He just had Thanksgiving with her ridiculous sister Samantha, I would keep away from both of them if I was her. And yes! ANY person should be able to cut a toxic person out of their life.
Thomas Markle was a ‘problem’ before they were engaged, and that is why he did not meet Harry. If he was a decent father and could be trusted he would have met Harry early on.
No, she’s not playing any game and that’s what’s pissing these people off. She has every right to cut out toxic family and carry on with her life. I cut off my mom over 6 years ago and my dad 2 years ago, and I’m none the worse for it. I can focus my energy on the family I’ve made and on myself, finally. Nobody owes anyone anything, least of all toxic parents.
And your children will not owe anything to you either, I suppose? Nor will you owe anything to them, right?
Um, if she is good to her kids, the odds are they will want to stay in her life. It’s not about owing. It’s about loving.
No, they won’t owe me anything because relationships aren’t about keeping score. Nobody is obligated to stay in anyone’s life if that person is toxic. If my children choose to have a relationship with me it will be because I genuinely care for them and love them and never put demands on them that only benefitted my ego. To think otherwise would make me a pretty sh*tty parent.
But can we talk about how Piers Morgan is a creepy incel hellbent on putting women in their place?
OMG I can’t with ppl telling a woman to give a clearly manipulative, easily bought off by money, fame-hungry toxic man, another chance, when he’s proven quite publicly he doesn’t care about her in the least.
SMH.
WTH, right?
I’m amazed by how many people seem to think being related means you are required to have a relationship, even if it’s abusive and unhealthy!
I’ve spent my entire life being fed that guilt. I’m going home for three days for my grandmother’s 95th birthday and am already mentally preparing for my family. I’m doing this for her, not them, and I’ll be counting down the minutes until I’m out of there and back home 4 states away.
What a disgusting wretch jobson is. Megan was right to cut her cretinous sperm donor of a “father” off, and the only way to deal with this situation is to utterly ignore it, and the toxic people who clearly have nothing even remotely close to her best interests at heart. Cut them off, full stop.
Even with estrangement, knowing you’re better off cutting contact with certain people in your life, having them pass can still cause a lot of pain. For him to accuse her now of displaying false emotion when he passes is disgusting, and definitely his way of covering his ass ’cause i bet if we see her happy and unbothered after his passing he’ll have words for her, and if she does the opposite and displays genuine heartache over it, well now he’s planted the seeds of doubt by casting her as an in-genuine cold person, and can run with that narrative. F*CK this guy, he is horrible.
I think that in the beginning Meghan really did try with her father but Thomas is so egotistical that he probably didn’t want to listen to Meghan .Its clearly with Thomas behaviour towards Meghan he doesn’t respect her at all that why he continues to disrespect her wishes and talks to the press if someone is asking you to do one thing and he can’t even do that he sold all the letters that meghan wrote him as child. He claims that those letters are so precious to him yet he sells them to the publication that bash his beloved daughter daily. The British press are the only ones trying to make this Thomas situation into a scandal they believe that if they keep the Thomas pressure on meghan she will crack and call and then they can either record the whole conversation or Thomas will tell all. Then they can write articles after articles about how meghan is embrassed the royal family this was honestly probably the straw that broke the camels back When it came to Thomas for meghan .
Robert Jobson is yet another insensitive ass**** who is cashing in on Meghan’s fame. I wouldn’t read one of his articles or buy his stupid book. Thomas Markle can just go to hell too.
I have a father whose wish for MY birthday was for me to love him more… This is how an immature narcissist thinks and behaves.
I totally understand why Meghan has no choice but to cut off her father. There is no middle ground with a narcissist: it’s either he controls you or you set your boundaries and keep him there (and this is what drives him nuts). As long as she feeds him something (a phone call, a visit, a text), he’ll keep pushing for control on his own terms.
The people suggesting she reach out a little bit have probably not dealt with a narcissist. Lucky them!
So agree with you. The English tabs always do this: browbeat the royals into doing something, then browbeat them into doing what they asked for “wrong.” It’s not about morality or family values; it’s just about selling more papers, obviously. The most Royal thing to do is ignore them and communicate with the public directly.
Btw, there’s a perfect Frasier episode about this (as with everything), the one with Christine Baranski. Meghan can watch it for inspiration:
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6cijzf
Also, Charles should be embarrassed to be associated with such toxic weasels, badmouthing his pregnant daughter-in-law.
Oh F*** that. I hadn’t talked to my father for 15 years, and last year in January I got a call, that he had a heart attack and died. Of course that shook me, and it was a weird feeling to think, I am now officially half an orphan, at age 36, mind you. But to this day I have never regretted to have cut him out of my live. He didn’t reach out either. There are people, that just shouldn’t be in your life, no matter the blood relation. And that is every person’s own call to make. And to shame her into trying to make good, is a such a patriarchic move. F*** off Jobson.
Jobson is vile…doing this to a first time mother to be….pure wickedness.
A truly loving and caring father would never ever, ever, ever, say or do something publicly to hurt or damage their child whether the child/parent relationship is strong or not. Put it simply parents who truly love their children would step back and let their child come to them to restart a damaged relationship. A good parent or a very smart parent would understand boundaries even if the relationship with their child is not the best. To try and force or bully your child into doing what you say or want is downright cruel and inhumane. Nobody ask Mr. Markle when was the last time he has seen his other children and grandchildren. If he wants to show he is a loving parent it starts at home with all family members not just the ones who are rich. No matter how much of a disagreement I had with my child I would never ever, ever, ever, hurt them publicly because my love for that child is stronger than any discord we may have. He is very creepy and Piers Morgan is just plain evil.
Ugh as someone who had to walk away from extremely toxic parents, it irks me to know end when people tell me I will miss them when I am older.
No, I will not because they abused me; what I will miss is a life with parents who cared for me rather than crapped on me.
Agreed. You’re much better off! Hugs!
Heart-wrenching interview? More like gut-wrenching and who the f is Robert Jobson? Meghan cant trust her POS father – she cant contact him cos he’d sell her out – again. She needs to make a new life away from him with Harry and their new baby – I cant believe she’s having to put up with all this shit when it should be the happiest time of her life. Disgraceful! Leave them alone!
Markle only has herself to blame for the thing with her family. She could have nipped it in the bud in the beginning, after all, she’s a middle aged woman who has been around the block a few times, not a child.
“If you can’t control your abusive and toxic family that’s totally your fault.”
I cut one of my sisters out, I have zero contact and don’t speak about her.
There is still drama but it sure isn’t coming from me, the silent no contact one.
And yet, I get call the unreasonable one, that it’s all my fault.
I just got sick to death of the narcissistic games and gaslighting.
You absolutely HAVE HAVE HAVE to go no contact with people sometimes
And when TM kicks the bucket Meghan can say luckily we spoke before he died and mended all our fences. Who can say or prove they didn’t?