I’ve forgotten about what has been proven and what was just rumored, so let me tell you what I believe. I believe Louis CK spent years sexually harassing women in comedy and women in the entertainment industry. I believe he spent years jerking off in front of coworkers and comediennes and then vaguely denying that it ever happened, and effectively blackballing them from the industry. I believe that when he was outed as a pervert and serial harasser, he then leaned into comedy aimed at Deplorables, the kind of “let’s punch down at the marginalized groups and let’s mock survivors of mass shootings” comedy. I believe Louis CK has been deserving of cancellation for years. But what bugs me is that too many of his comedy coworkers and friends are doing the most to cape for this piece of sh-t. And too many of them are women. Janeane Garofalo is the latest:
Though Louis C.K. has fallen under scrutiny for sexual misconduct and more recently, his mockery of survivors of the Parkland High School massacre, fellow comedian Janeane Garofalo is telling the public to back off. In an interview released Friday on “Poptarts,” BUST Magazine’s bi-weekly podcast, Garofalo called for sympathy for the disgraced comic.
“Leave Louis C.K. alone,” she said. “Enough with that. And again, there are so many issues we gotta be motivated on. He’s been my friend ― and I stand by that ― he’s been my friend since 1985, and I think he has suffered… And when he performs at the Comedy Cellar and people get all irate, if nothing else, care about his daughters. If nothing else ― if you can find no compassion for him, which I think you should ― think about how his daughters, who hear all of this stuff, feel. Why don’t you leave him alone for them if you’re so women-empowering?”
Garafalo said the misconduct allegations against C.K. were not the fight of all women, but solely of the women who had accused him. That’s when the podcast’s interviewer voiced her audible discomfort with the remarks, wondering why anyone should feel sympathy for the comedian just because he’s a father.
“Because you don’t understand what it is like to be a public pariah because it’s not happened to you,” Garafalo argued. “He chose to be a public person and then he chose to take advantage of that,” the interviewer shot back. Still, that failed to shake Garafaro’s stance, as she described “the pushback” on her position as “so unjust.” Doubling down on her demands for better treatment of C.K., Garafalo added, “I do think there is a point where somebody stops kicking people when they’re down.”
Here’s the thing: if Louis CK had gone away after he was outed as a predator/harasser and he quit comedy and moved away to the wilderness, I would agree: leave him alone, don’t even waste your breath on yelling about him anymore. The problem is that this sh-t is still ongoing, like it is with so many outed predators (Charlie Rose and Matt Lauer say hi). They all want to “come back” and “rebrand” and “punch down on people who are actually deserving of humanity and sympathy.” Louis CK is a straight, cisgendered white man who did awful things and continues to be an awful person. I honestly couldn’t give a f–k if his daughters read about it, because Louis CK obviously didn’t care about his daughters reading about how he was a serial sexual harasser, or how he uses LGTBQ people as the butt of his jokes, and on and on and on. Again, Janeane Garofalo is not to blame for what Louis CK did or does. But she doesn’t have to cape for him either, and I think less of her for her tortured argument for why we should leave him alone.
Photos courtesy of WENN, Backgrid.
Janeane looks … different.
As for LCK, I can’t wrap my ahead around why any woman would defend him. I guess friendship is such a powerful thing. I guess when you go way back with a person and you have a history it’s hard to see that person as only their sins/crimes. But the rest of us don’t go way back with LCK and whenever I see his stupid face all I can think about are the disgusting things he did in front of women and how he believed he was so superior to them that they should tolerate it without complaint, over and over.
It must really be hard for the friends and family of people found do be abusers, especially if they had no idea.
Sure, it’s hard but standing by someone like Janeane is doing is cowardly. I had a co-worker who, as a college student, discovered along with her teenage siblings, that their dad was sexually abusing their two young foster siblings. They told their mom, who refused to do anything, so they reported him to police and never looked back.
She said it was, of course, hard. But she said they also realized that the person they loved was clearly not who they thought he was and they had to keep that first and foremost in their minds.
“… if nothing else, care about his daughters. If nothing else ― if you can find no compassion for him, which I think you should ― think about how his daughters, who hear all of this stuff, feel…”
Uhm… did your “good friend” give two sh!ts about his daughters when he was whipping it out in front of other women? When he blackballed them and crashed THEIR careers? Yeah… didn’t think so.
Sit the f*#K down, Janeane, and take all your fellow enablers with you!
If Garafalo is such a great friend why isn’t she helping Louis CK understand the extraordinary damage he did to so many women? Why isn’t she helping him understand how his failure to take responsibility for his actions hurts his daughters? And why isn’t she helping him truly make amends in a way that allows him to come back?
A real friend doesn’t make bullsh*t excuses that no one is going to buy. She is just reminding us why he is canceled.
CK.. still giving “gifts” guess he’s still messing around
https://pagesix.com/2019/01/12/emails-reveal-louis-c-k-may-have-given-sarma-melngailis-an-std/?_ga=2.140916657.2014720697.1547292812-1728000556.1535773488
Oh, that’s revolting 🤮. “I never swore I was clean.” Ugh.
Barf. The way he responds to her calling him out for possibly giving her something is so, so messed up.
What a nasty piece of work. Sounds like he gave her herpes and couldn’t care less.
Oh brother, I can’t believe he tried to say, “We all share the same current human bloodstream” as a defense. He is such a disgusting POS.
He might actually be a sociopath. On the other hand, anyone who has consensual sex with Louis CK at this point deserves everything they get.
Janeane should just shut up and sit down.
Uh… maybe HE should think of his daughters!
Damn Jeneane why do you want to go down with that nasty LCK ship? Bye, girl. I hope it was worth it.
Came here to say this. He should have thought of his daughters when he was harassing and abusing women. I really thought Janeane would have had a less-wretched perspective on this…
Thank you! Any humiliation his daughters are feeling is 10000000% HIS fault.
Gross Janeane. Your input is not needed or welcome. No wonder you’ve become less and less relevant as time goes by.
Makes me sad that a woman who used to be something of a trailblazer as a woman in comedy is making statements like these. She needs to understand that even if she feels this way (which is problematic enough), going on a public rant about it is damaging as hell. Believe women.
And she’s now going to be used by MRAs as an example of how look even women think he’s fine!
I get it’s difficult to process when friends are accused of abuse, but it’s absolutely astonishing that anyone who wasn’t not victimized by that specific person can advocate for their forgiveness.
It’s not her assault to be forgiven. It’s someone else’s and to my knowledge the women who had to deal with him have not issued public acceptances of his shite non apology.
Advocates for an abuser, and acts as of her voice is more important than the victims al at once. Sit down, Janean.
Girl, bye. And take your lousy plastic surgeon with you.
Good one
Lousy? I’m not seeing any bad work here. She looks really good to me. I completely forgot she exists until reading this but she looks exactly like I remembered, just a smidge older, and yet still fresh. If she is getting work done I want the name of her doctor.
Otherwise F her. She can take that “think of the children!” BS and shove it.
So I guess it means nothing that the women who dared to speak out against him when they were being harassed lost their livelihoods? She reminds me of Sarah Silverman, always defending these awful men because they want to be one of the boys.
Truly. Patriarchal dividends are real. Being ‘one of the boys’ is something some women prefer over supporting other women. I guess it’s the sad part of how we are told male voices and male opinions are more important. Himpathy at work.
Yes, women like Janeane and Sarah are part of the problem and why it persists. I have zero respect for anyone defending assholes who can obviously defend and deflect for themselves.
Sarah Silverman didn’t defend Louis CK. She made it quite clear that she wasn’t defending him when she spoke about their weird history together last year, and it’s not fair to lump her in with Janeane, IMO.
Welcome to being part of the establishment, Janeane, where you’re friends with the people who have power and protective about keeping those friendships even if it means someone else is hurt.
People like Louis use the sympathy of others to avoid personal responsibility for their behavior. Handing someone like that sympathy isn’t a nice or understanding thing to do because they’re not doing the work of fixing the behavior. They misuse that sympathy to keep feeling sorry for themselves and to keep avoiding their own responsibilities
Great point, explained clearly and concisely-thanks!
I was talking with a friend the other day, and we were noticing how these straight men predators menage to make a sort of come back, find people who defend them no matter what, while Kevin Spacey has lost his job and has been totally cancelled from a movie. Double standards exist even for predators ?
That’s a really good point. The depths of misogyny in this world never ceases to disgust me. Especially coming from other women. It’s pathetic. I now think of Garafalo as a pathetic pervert defender. Hope this vile piece of dog doo is worth it Jeaneane! You are so very canceled to me.
That’s a really good point. Kevin Spacey was cancelled hard. It could be a double standard, though the accusations against him are still rolling out, so there hasn’t been time for a comeback.
What is striking to me is that Spacey became a pariah instantly, while other abusers, cough cough Johnny Depp, still got jobs.
Yeah that’s fair. I do legitimately think there’s a double standard in how hard and fast his career was ended, but the timing also worked against him. Hollywood needed a sacrifice. He’s a fking predator and pedophile, but yeah he gets it worse for being gay. Really awful situation all around.
I disagree. There was a recent poll in a newspaper from my country asking people if Spacey should be “allowed back”, and almost 50% replied “yes”. There was also a lot of coverage of how he declared himself innocent and was allowed to “walk away free”.
Louis is probably not known outside of the USA, but I think Spacey is getting support more openly, surely with time he’ll manage to get a job and everybody will forget about the accusations.
I was having the same impression but for a different reason. I don’t feel like he gets punished harder b/c he’s gay. I feel like he gets punished more because men were the victims. Because the only way that things ever change is when the holders of power are personally affected. Nobody give a fork if some women are suffering, but molest ONE OF OURS and boy do we take action.
Really good point Sojaschnitzel; spot on, imo.
Kevin Spacey was crucified within minutes, after widespread revulsion and shock, yet the women-assaulters linger in debated quasi-innocent territory because truly we are still considered legitimate/understandable targets ; old habits die hard, and so on. .
Is Louis’ sweatshirt dirty? Did the guy show up to do promotional work in a dirty sweatshirt?
Lena Dunham would have been called out for that nonsense. Men shouldn’t get a pass for this either. Showing up like that is such an immature and creepy power move thing to do.
She *was* called out for that passage in her book where she admitted to “diddling her younger sister”, but it seemed to pass quickly. However, I think her 15 min. passed. Dunham doesn’t (thankfully!!) seem relevant anymore, regardless of her attempts to garnish attention.
Yes, there is food all down his front, at a photocall. Nice!
Also, Janeane’s shirt is on backwards. WTF?!
I never understood the love for this guy back in the day. And none of what has been revealed since has surprised me. Dirty sweatshirt at a public appearance? Check.
Straight white woman defending straight white male. Tale as old as time.
R. Kelly has people defending or not saying a dang thing about his behavior for years. It is power & wealth thing in Hollywood and in music land not just about skin color. Don’t defend predatory behavior period, no matter the color.
She’s not defending it.
He has suffered? HE has suffered? Oh, well that’s different, God bless and all that. What the hell is that? If they are friends she could have just said that and moved on. But she wanted to try to make him the victim, which he is not. He’s the perpetrator not the victim! He created victims, not only in his truly weird sexual preferences, but in the way he then chose to run some women out of comedy when they wouldn’t play his game. He Is Not A Victim!!!
Such bullshit. He did not suffer enough, hos act when he returned all angry and mocking teenagers and such shows that he did not suffer one bit, he spent zero time reflecting and atoning, he is just a pissy white male who thought that because he is famous he is going to get away with everything. Well if fame gives you privileges it also means that you have to feel humiliation in a very specific – public way. And it is such a hypocrisy to ask to think about his daughters as if all the women he harnessed are not someone daughters.
All excellent points. Could not agree more.
Well, this makes me very sad. I -adored-Janeane Garofolo. When I was a kid, she was on the Ben Stiller show and was so wry and funny and smart-seeming. She seemed like such a strong, cool lady. Really disappointing.
There is an episode in Tig Notaro’s One Mississippi where a man in charge of a radio station (I think it’s a radio station) jerks off in front of Tig’s then-girlfriend & apparently, it’s a thing he does to women. Louis C.K. was a producer of that show & I have always wondered if that was a warning shot to him.
As for Janeane, she needs to seriously examine her statements and herself. The idea that this is inflicting unnecessary harm on him and his children is appalling. He’s a predator. He deserves punishment. The whole ‘think of his daughters’ line was absurd. It was his job to think of his daughters and his job to not abuse and humiliate women. He failed in that and now he’s facing consequences. He deserves to be punished.
I never looked it up before today, but now I have and yes, that episode was about C.K.
She’s always been an a-hole disguised as “trailblazing.”
I never thought she was funny or smart. Always looked like she couldn’t be bothered.
So he shouldn’t have to suffer any consequences for his actions? It was all fine and dandy him dishing this shit out, but as soon as he’s called to carpet suddenly he’s a victim and we’re all the big bad guys?
Yeah, piss off, don’t even try that on for size.
Exactly. It’s like that guy who raped a college student and then nobody wanted to put him in jail because he was an athlete and it would ‘ruin him’.
As if he wasn’t a criminal or a dangerous person.
All such spot on comments above.
I used to love her. She had a total of 8 years in the 90s before she sold out and got skinny. Never been the same.
Nearly all of her exes are comedians; wouldn’t be suprised if CK and she dated in the past. Or if she’s protecting her ‘own’… aka siding with the douche bros in her dating pool who think he’s a victim.
100% agree! I love that the interviewer shot back because that “he has kids” is ridiculous. He really sounds just delusional.
Oh, no. Garofalo, NO.
I don’t even understand what “think of his daughters” means. Think of them while CK makes racist jokes? Think of them when he embraces misogyny?
Can I think about the daughters of the women CK drove out of comedy, instead, Garofalo? Or even better, think about those women, who could have been your friends, your colleagues, your collaborators on projects in an alternative universe where CK didn’t spend a decade doing his part to keep comedy a white boys’ club?
Yes! So well said.
I used to really like JG. There goes that.
Yes, well put, Josie. It’s sad but sometimes I get the feeling that some women don’t really want other women as “colleagues” or “collaborators”, because then they’d be just one of a large group and not so special. It’s like the more women there are, the more competition.
I get the feeling that Garofola and some others would rather be part of a “white boys’ club” because then she stands out (as one of the few women) and is treated like she’s special.
With every sympathizer we lose another artist we can respect. I’m not going to pay attention to anyone with a soft spot for a predator with a platform.
Well-said.
God f***ing dammit Janeane, really?!?!?
Leave LCK alone because he is JG’s friend, because he has daughters, because it’s terrible to be a public pariah…..? She has to do better than that.
I loved her so much back in the Nineties and this is so disappointing.
Know this maybe be a strange term but she was known as as “super feminist” in the nineties. Ahead of her time in speaking out against the ‘isms of Hollywood. Very surprised to see her defend CK’s behavior.
I will always hate that expression of defiance against women who identify themselves as feminism, that whole “if you’re such feminists, why don’t you do/say this and this about so and so…?” thing. I mean, ????? I wonder what those people who say stuff like that are doing for women.
I’m in shock. Not only that Janeane would even say or think this, but she said it on a podcast associating specifically with a online/print feminist publication like BUST (one of the most prominent places for feminist news and commentary–Bitch and Ms. are two of the others). Is she REALLY surprised the interviewer had an issue with her saying that? Read the damn room, woman.
Wow. Massively disappointed. She has been my idol since 6th grade. Everyone used to call me Daria because, well, I *was*Daria. Never related to a character more. I have watched her do so much incredible work, and always thought she was one of the most underrated. Intelligent people. I still think that,but this is such poor judgment. If Louis had suffered he wouldn’t have returned to the stage AND INSTANTLY MADE A RAPE JOKE!!!! He went from being DEEPLY offensive, but still being genuine in his observations about life, to just being deeply offensive as his brand. There is no irony, there’s no joke: Just meanspirited slurs, bullying, and hate. Louis is done, Jan.
If you read the original article-the reporter did a great job of pushing back against the BS. She denied that he whipped anything out and we don’t know because we weren’t there-after the reporter called him out for being a predator.
1) She wasn’t there either so that’s garbage.
2) He ADMITTED doing all of these things so saying consider the source (which she also did) is moot
3) don’t forget he didn’t just harass women but then go out to destroy their careers or any one else male or female that tried to report on the rumors or call him out.
He wants to be left alone? Stop doing comedy shows then. Can’t have it both ways.
Louie didn’t think of his daughters when he was cornering women making them watch him masturbate, but Janeane would like us to think of his daughters?? Wtf is wrong with her? GTFO Janeane Garofolo.
Exactly, NOW we’re supposed to think of his daughters when HE didn’t?! He is their father, he should be getting help for himself so that he can be a better parent, not trying to stage a comeback where he mocks the parkland kids, and makes sexist and rascist jokes so that he can find an in with the trumpsters.
Perfectly stated.
I remember her describing why she hated her time on SNL. She said it was a sexist environment with dudes that would make crass, disrespectful and misogynistic jokes which contributed to a toxic atmosphere where she didn’t feel welcome as a woman.
I guess it’s not too bad when it’s not her being victimized.
Hush, JG.
Ugh first Silverman now this lady. Genuine question/rant. Why do so many women defend proven/admitted abusers. The mental gymnastics happening to try and make this guy an “OK sexual predator” with no feeling of sisterhood for the women who had to experience the abuse. I am not talking about situations where the abuse is unproven (though I think more people should believe victims period); but here he admitted to doing this! And still people are defending him and trying to help with his comeback? Why?
“There’s this idea that if you distance yourself from other women and align yourself with men, not only will they ‘choose you’ over other women, but they will treat you with the same respect they show their friends. It’s a phenomenon known as ‘proximity to power’: the idea that aligning yourself with the person/group in power will give you access to said power.”
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-dangers-of-the-cool-girl-ideal_us_5873d393e4b0a5e600a78d4e
Trillion that makes sense. I should understand this better as woman in the workplace, but the general grossness of the behavior overrides my ability to even be able to comprehend. Just gross they are all gross.
This is reminding me of a conversation I had with a friend a few days ago. We were discussing how many women in the 50’s + were told be a feminist and support women and you can do anything…..but there’s only so much room at the table for women, so get yours and fuck the rest. I’m experiencing that currently and feel like she falls into this same category. She’s a feminist but was told for so long it was either her or someone else that was going to succeed that she internalized it and did what a lot of women do which is try to relate to the men around them so they like her and she doesn’t have competition. I see more of these women defending these type of men because they are reliant on them in a total psychological way. Because it either didn’t happen to them or they think they would reacted differently they push it aside. It is exactly what we saw with Kavanaugh. It is a warped misogynist brand of feminism that encourages unhealthy competition and only leads to women bringing each other down so the men don’t have too.
And off my soap box I go!
Really good comment. I have that problem with women at work sometimes. I just want to work and go home, but they want to make it into some kind of competition for the favors of male bosses. They want to be the top female. And i don’t care, they can have that position. But i feel sometimes like they are trying to put me down to make them look better. Not all women are like that but some.
Jeaneane needs to channel her character Heather Mooney and NEVER defend this Creepmeister 3000. Ex.12: Read the NY Post today.
Canceled. What a surprise and utter disgrace.
I can’t believe these people. You know what bugs me the most… Even if you support him for God knows why, do it quietly. Anytime you publicly support him is an instant slap in the face to his victims.
Further proof that ”Hollywood women” are about 20 years behind the rest of us. They work in the most overrated and seediest industry imaginable. Most of them sold their soul years ago. I wish we lived in the old days when actors/actresses were seen as the village idiots & earned a pittance 🙂
What does she do now? Is she still a working actress? She has nothing to lose by being his defender… Maybe she’s in love with him. 🙄
What a gobsh1te.
We already do think of his daughters. We think that his daughters should have the right to work in an environment where they aren’t sexually harrassed or assaulted. That’s why this is happening to their dad and to other like-minded men who don’t respect women as human beings and prefer to see them as objects that exist solely for their own gratification. There have to be consequences for those types of actions if women will ever have the chance to be treated with the same dignity that men are afforded.
How many women have accused him? Five? I’m so disappointed in Janeane that she feels one man is more important than five women. It shows how much she values women, too.
I thought the first picture was Bristol Palin!
If a friend is discovered, there are two options only. Frak ’em and walk away, or help them realize what a shit thing they’ve done and help them get help. You don’t, under any circumstances, defend the behavior. ‘Yeah, my brother killed this guy, but but he’s super nice, and simply lost it that day.’ ‘Yes my best friend loves teaching, and yes he’s been groping senior students. But he’s handsome, they come on to him, and they’re pretty much adults.’ Well I those instances, you drive them to the police station.
No sir. That’s not how it works.
Maybe CK should have thought of his daughters before acting like an unhinged perv.
How could a man with daughters even jerk off in front of other women? SICK!
No, sorry JG, *WE* don’t have to think of his daughters, and what they might feel like reading about all the crappy things their dad did, just like *WE* don’t have to think about Matt Lauer’s kids, or Bill Cosby’s or the kids of any number of crappy men who have done crappy things.
Why wasn’t LCK thinking of HIS daughters, or Matt Lauer? Maybe THEY should have thought about the impact the fallout of their actions would have on their kids before THEY sexually harassed, assaulted people. It’s not the public’s job to manage the fallout from what these jerk guys did. They own their actions, they own their fallout.
Also, it doesn’t help that Louis CK seems to have understood NONE of what was the issue of what he’s done, if his recent ‘comedy’ performances have been any indication. Step #1 Louis: get actual, legitimate consent before whipping it out. Showing up and performing unannounced in front of audiences who didn’t choose to see you isn’t a good look.
How very Lena Dunham of her.
If this had been some GOP politician, she’d be calling for his head. But because it’s her friend, we’re supposed to feel sorry for him?
Canceled.
@ Lucy2, Yes exactly.
So last I checked, Trump, Bush and McCain have daughters but Jeanene has never backed down from calling them out. Her discriminatory argument “but he has daughters” BS is so transparent.
Why are there so many women coming to this guy’s defense? I don’t get it.
I’m not one to scream “canceled!” everytime a celebrity says something stupid, but wow…
CANCELED!