It’s a struggle to keep up with all of the treasonous shenanigans here in America, so please forgive me for not 100% understanding what exactly is happening in Great Britain right now with Brexit. Prime Minister Theresa May has been working on a Brexit deal for months. She’s been negotiating and making deals and having meetings and all of that. She faced down a vote of no confidence in December, and she came out of it… okay. Which was widely seen as some kind of referendum on the Brexit deal she was negotiating. The problem? On Tuesday, it was time for Parliament to vote on the deal. And wow, did that blow up.
Theresa May suffered the biggest parliamentary defeat of any British prime minister in history Tuesday as lawmakers of all stripes crushed her plan to leave the European Union. Moments after Theresa May lost by 432 votes to 202, Jeremy Corbyn, the leader of the opposition Labour Party, announced he would seek to oust May’s ruling Conservatives by bringing a motion of no-confidence in the government.
“The House has spoken and the government will listen,” May told lawmakers. “It is clear that the House does not support this deal.” Earlier, the prime minister had called it the “most significant vote that any of us will ever be part of in our political careers.”
Corbyn said the result was “a catastrophic defeat” for May, with 118 of the prime minister’s own Conservative lawmakers voting against her plan. May was widely anticipated to lose Tuesday’s vote, but her defeat was bigger than even the most extreme predictions. Before this week, the biggest government loss in Parliament was by a margin of 166 votes and came in 1926. May smashed that record, losing by a margin of 230. The consequences are complex and uncharted. May’s government will face Corbyn’s no-confidence motion Wednesday, but it isn’t clear whether the opposition leader has the numbers to make that work.
The wider picture is that more than 30 months after Britain voted in a referendum to leave the E.U. — by a vote of 17.4 million to 16.1 million — the politicians have still not agreed how this should work.
I’ve seen some comments from British political reporters and commentators who are all like “f–k if I know what happens next?” To say this is all uncharted territory seems like a massive understatement. And there are those in the EU who seem to be like “maybe Britain should be given more time to figure this out,” and yet others who are haughtily saying “you said you would Brexit, now do it.” So… I don’t know. Shambolic British politics, I’ll tell ya.
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The Conservative party should have been thrown out on its ear long ago. A bunch of people who have no idea what to do doing nothing for two years and not understanding that, e.g., Ireland is a sovereign nation and the EU has a vested interest in not being nice about their exit continue to promote an idiotic and malformed plan that nobody wants except the vocal cretins in the UK. Still, let’s have all the media criticise and blame Corbyn for some reason for over a year.
This is almost wholly on the Tories but to be fair Corbyn hasn’t helped. He’s a closet Brexiteer and I’d be very surprised if he actually supports a second referendum as he is obliged to do once the confidence vote fails.
This issue isn’t party political which is why its such a mess.
We need a new parties.
Couldn’t agree more. I’m a member of the Labour party and am so frustrated by Corbyn’s luke-warm (at best) stance towards the EU.
Same here, I actually cancelled my long-held membership as a result. I mean I would still vote for them because I would never vote for the Tories but I just couldn’t condone the stance, or lack-there-of, on Brexit. I also don’t think Corbyn could win a GE, which given the shambolic state of the Conservative party right now is quite a feat.
@eva – given that Corbyn lost a GE against an opponent who not only had a god awful manifesto but ran the worst campaign in modern history is also quite an achievement. Labour ran a slick campaign and their manifesto appealed to a great many people across the class spectrum but they still lost and the reason they lost was him – I know people who refused to vote labour because of him saying that he doesn’t represent the common/working people and that they didn’t trust him or had any confidence in his ability to deliver Brexit.
Absolutely agree @Digital Unicorn, I really don’t know where Labour are going to go from here. I can’t see him ever stepping aside and he has a cult following that will always back him, regardless of his proven unelectability.
The irony though of people not trusting him to deliver Brexit when he is in fact anti-EU, but he just won’t come out and say it. I would disagree with his stance if he did so but at least people would actually know where he stood.
Corbyn is not even a far left politic and they (the stablishment) go after him hard.
I understand not liking the UE as I’m from a country member of the UE that has suffered a lot from european politics (i cant even imagine how Greeks feel about the UE) but I wouldn’t want to leave it or not like this. Both sides are being childish.
HERE HERE.
I really admired Jeremy’s response to her defeat yesterday.
You could see the contempt for her, and the passion in him.
I’m a Brit and I’m hoping against hope this might somehow spark a general election.
TORIES OUT.
Forgive me, as I’m not British, but isn’t Corbyn and his party rather xenophobic and anti-semetic? And weren’t they involved with the Cambridge Analytics group? Maybe I’m not remembering clearly (haven’t had my coffee yet!) or have them mixed with another party…?
@Jan no it was the torys that have been outrageously xenophobic (It was May who put changed the partner visa requirements for example, and sent out the go back where you came from buses). Corbyn has been accused of antisemitism linked to his previous support for Palestine – the torys have been openly islamophobic (remember Goldsmiths London Mayoral campaign? Johnson’s more recent letterbox comments?)
My point is, neither party has clean hands in terms of racism and xenophobia, but to my mind Labour is historically less bad.
As for Cambridge Analytica – as far as I can remember all political parties had their fingers in the CA pie…
@Jan90067 his party is not xenophobic at all, but he himself does keep very antisemitic company while never fully just coming out and saying he is – although he started off legitimately as an anti Zionist he has long ago, I think, crossed the line into dog whistle antisemitism without quite knowing or understanding it.
He has a long a storied history of fraternising with less than respectable people, including virulent antisemites, but I wouldn’t say he’s xenophobic. His antisemitism is based on a hatred of “elites” and a conflation of Israel and Jews and has been stoked by the company he keeps.
He wasn’t involved with the Cambridge Analytica stuff I don’t think, but his party has attracted the support of the Russian cyber warriors who support him because it would destabilise the UK, and therefore strengthen Russia, if he were to come into government (based on markets crashing, social unease, fear within the Jewish community, etc) particularly because the fringes of the party under his leadership have become quite murky. He also made a monumental cock up of responding to the Novichok poisonings, so he’s popular in the Kremlin for that.
He’s a poor leader, in all honesty, and I cannot see him governing the country well when he cannot even govern his own party nor temper the newly emboldened nastier elements that have crept into it successfully.
@Clare and Jan – Corbyn and the Labour party have been accused to anti-antisemitism for the way they/he handled the accusations of bullying of Jewish people within their own party (it was brushed under the carpet and Corbyn refused to accept there was an issue – even his precious supporters Momentum said there was a problem) and also for the way that he and others initially refused to add the internationally accepted definition of antisemitism into Labour party code of conduct – they dragged their heels about it for about 3 months and only, begrudgingly agreed to add it after public outrage.
He has done nothing to combat those perceptions of himself and the party, he seems to have gone out of his way to proport the negative press narrative around the situation, such is his arrogance and incompetence.
And I agree with your comments about the way he handle the spy poisoning – are we sure he’s not another Putin asset like Agent Orange? (sarcasm)
Thank you, Clare! 🤗
Sigh… I am truly worried about what’s going on, here and in England. Seems Putin is getting his heart’s desire: upheaval in the world’s leading democracies.
Thank you, Clare, im, and Digital Unicorn, I appreciate your taking the time to answer 😊. I learn so much in here!
No-one in our parliament knows what the eff they are doing! The Tories caused this mess in the first place and if anyone thinks Corbyn is going to ‘fix it’ all is sadly living in cloud coo coo land. He’s staunchly anti-EU and will NOT stop Brexit – he does NOT want to negotiate with the EU, he just wants to be PM after March.
Parliament and the Leave voters are stuck in the past with their ‘little Englander’ attitude – they showed this last night. They EU are NOT going to renegotiate the deal May got – a no deal will be 50 shades of ‘fk us over’.
May, she’s fast becoming the ‘unkillable Theresa May’ – no matter how many times that old fool Corbyn tables no confidence votes, she still wins over him.
@Digital – I felt so sad last night when people were celebrating her defeat. Yeah she seems completely devoid of any connection to reality…but what about what this continuing uncertainly means for NORMAL PEOPLE? How the F are you celebrating that? All the other big names…Mogg, Johnson, Corbyn etc seem more concerned with having an ideological win, over the welfare of the actual people who pay their salaries.
I mean, JRM hosted a bloody champagne reception to ‘celebrate’ the defeat last night. Why do we think he, with his £100m hedge fund, gives a toss about how this impacts the value of my home?
It’s outrageous and embarrassing.
I am gutted at the lack of political leadership in this country. Come back Ed Miliband, all is forgiven. Who speaks for remainers? At minimum there were 16.1 million of us, and I’m pretty sure there are more now. I like Yvette Cooper and Keir Starmer, but I can’t support Labour as long as Corbyn is leader.
I just don’t understand how they don’t have a plan for every possible scenario. I have a friend living in the UK and she’s had to put all her plans on standby until March at least. I’m sure others are doing the same.
I think is going to be either leaving without a deal or remaining but I don’t see another referendum happening.
Jeremy Corbyn gets closer to becoming the PM with each passing day. That’s the silver lining for me.
Imagine the Daily Mail/The Sun. It would be like the end of the world for them lmao
So how would Corbyn salvage this? Labour’s stance or lack of it on Brexit has been the biggest disappointment of the past few years. Spearheaded by Corbyn.
I’ve always been a Labour supporter but Corbyn seems to think the solution to everything is to throw money at it. He will have the country on its knees (even more than it is now).
Really? I’m a Brit and I think Corbyn will just make things worse. He seems to think he can throw money at the problem – where is the money coming from? Raising taxes – sure? But for how long? I’m in my 30’s and with Corbyn’s proposed policies we will end up in enormous debt and drive away high earners and potential high earners.
Also, Corbyn’s stance (or lack of) on Brexit is beyond a joke. He can shout in parliament all he likes, but he’s been UTTERLY toothless. What alternative has he proposed? Nada.
(And I have historically voted labour – but I won’t while he is leader)
IIRC he said that he’d ‘borrow’ the money as well as taxing the sh!t out of the self employed to fund his grand socialist plan. Our whole tax system needs to be dropped its not fit for the digital age – Corbyn is a man stuck in the past who is determined to drag us all back to 1970. He clearly didn’t get the memo that its 2019.
Corbyn will turn this country into a Spain, Greece, Italy etc.. if he gets into power – a country that has a bloated public sector with NO private sector to support the economy.
Nope, he will never be PM. The party stance is pro-EU, he is anti-EU – he has said several times that he will not stop Brexit and he is refusing to be drawn into the 2nd referendum conversation. If there is a 2nd ref, and i hope there is, Brexit is dead and those in power know it.
He seems to think that he can renegotiate May’s deal – he refuses to understand that the EU have stated several times that the deal May got is the only one that will agree to. Its 27 against 1 – Corbyn needs to understand the UK is not a ‘big player’ anymore.
Second referendum on the way and it will be voted remain.
I heard a UK pollster on BBC yesterday who said polling shows a second referendum would get a larger margin for leave.
I know polls are fallible, but I heard some data on bbc radio 4 that said that a referendum with a vote between the deal that’s on the table and no deal would be a dead heat now but if the choice were between the current deal, no deal or remain then remain would win by a long way. But I guess that’s because the leave vote would be being split between the deal and no deal so I doubt that question would ever be on the table (unfortunately).
Frankly, at this stage I personally know dozens of remainers who would vote to leave, if there were a second referendum. Can’t say which way it will go – as I imagine plenty of leavers will swing, as well….but its not a foregone conclusion that we will vote to remain.
I don’t know – it will be a far bigger turn out than before and will be more bitter. It won’t be easy to call but I think it will be to remain – too many young people have now woken up to how badly their futures will be if we leave.
There has to be a 2nd ref – i for one do not want another general election.
Digital – Same – if there were another GE I don’t know who I’d even vote for. Not Corbyn, and the current crop of Tory’s are disgusting…In an ideal world the LD’s would have a chance, based on their stance on Brexit. Gah.
That’s what I expect will happen unless the Tories want to throw more napalm on their own country. (Probably)
I really hope not. I voted remain, but I can’t back a second referendum. All this bollocks about “the people didn’t know what they were voting for” is a thinly disguised implication that it was the ignorant masses voted leave. People vote for stupid things, and for stupid reasons (Trump anyone? Juries more likely to vote guilty if the defendant wears orange?). We can’t revert back because we’re not happy with the decision the proletariat made, even it was by a slim majority. It shouldn’t have been a public decision from the start but we are where we are.
Yesterday I heard a pundit say “You don’t get do-overs in a democracy”, and I PROFOUNDLY disagree.
Democracy is about the will of the people being reflected in policy. When the referendum happened, there was no plan on how exactly the exit would happen. Two years is a long time, and if people have learned more about the process and changed their minds, I don’t see it as undemocratic to have another referendum. I see that as democracy working to reflect the current will of the people.
A tree that doesn’t bend in the wind will break.
I agree with Tiffany. We had a referendum in 1975. Arguably the 2016 referendum was the first do-over.
I think Russian influence in the referendum is problematic AF. An absolutely momentous decision may be based on a fraudulent vote.
@Maddy But people genuinely didn’t know what they were voting for. There was nothing on the table except leave or remain. The second referendum has to be not about leave or remain but about three options: current deal, May’s deal or no deal. This is not repeating the referendum but giving people the choice to decide about the next step. Since we’re taking referendums seriously and all.
The issue is, and we’re not being honest with ourselves if we deny this, this discussion is only happening because the “wrong” decision was made. If remain had been the outcome, this would not be a discussion. People would have still been just as misinformed as they are now if that small majority had swung the other way. We wouldn’t be arguing about it. This whole farce has just reinforced to how elitist the UK still is.
For anyone more knowledgeable about this … didn’t the EU make it pretty clear that their negotiated deal with May was their “best and final” and if it didn’t pass they weren’t wasting any more time on it and basically would just put Britain out on an ice flow?
Hard Brexiteer think (want to believe) that the EU is just saying that as a negotiating tactic. No matter how many times its explained they don’t seem to understand that 27 countries working together will always be in a stronger position than 1 country.
I heard some members of the public being interviewed on the BBC yesterday talking about how we should just leave with no deal, parroting the line that “they need us more than we need them”, it is just absolutely baffling that people can still believe that at this point. Depressing.
Barnier (the EU’s chief negotiator) said today the EU is willing to re-negotiate IF May gives up her red lines (= ending freedom of movement, the customs union, EU jurisdiction). BUT as xenophobia is a key driver for Brexit, she will most likely not budge on her red lines.
Hilariously many Brexiteers are at the same time saying there is no need for a hard border in Ireland in case of a no deal Brexit. No hard border = free flow of people and goods from the EU (Republic of Ireland) to the UK (Northern Ireland).
Wowww, I hadn’t heard/thought about the Irish border issue … that’s some kind of awesome (horribly, horribly, awesome) logic.
Well it’s simple, the Republic of Ireland just has to leave the EU as well, or microchip all their citizens, so not hard at all, they’re just being purposely difficult!!!! / sarcasm
why can’t the EU just be nice about it so all the drama dies down? is it solely as a disincentive to other countries re: leaving the EU? if so, that’s pretty awful.
Why should the UK get the benefits of the EU without the obligations? I think the EU is justified in taking a hardline stance.
To be fair I firmly believe this is down to David cAmeron being so far up his own behind he didn’t consider a leave vote. It has become apparent that there was no contingency plan on place. They (government) have had 2 years and the EU quite rightly are telling us we are a shambles!!
If they make it easy for us then everyone else will think we’ll why don’t we do this too? Then you have the collapse of the EU. I know the EU is far from perfect but I kinda understand their position. The UK already had a better position in some ways than other nations prior to the Brexit vote, and we’re in no position to make any demands.
To say I’m brexhausted is an understatement. It’s like watching a car crash and not being able to look away.
What is the EU doing wrong? They are merely lecturing a spoiled and bratty child throwing a fit. English people never were introspective about their own culture and history and always pointed their fingers at either Germany, France or the USA. Why do you think the are so obsessed with the World Wars? To not have to talk about their own imperialism. So again obviously its the EUs fault for not giving in to ridiculous and nationalist demands of a soon to be irrelevant nation that once had an empire of exploitation and slavery and is butthurt they dont get to do that anymore.
Its time to put on the big boy pants…uhm trousers and act like adults and deal with your own instead of always externalizing blame. I am including english left wingers in that too.
QueenB – it’s not England or the English leaving the EU. It is not England or the English that sorely populate parliament. It’s all of Britain. I am British (naturalised) but not English. Please don’t conflate the two.
Please can you not generalise us all. Some English people are racist idiots but not all.
Generalisation is a generally bad habit to adopt 🙂
Yeah, I learned that the hard way when living over there. Never say English or England. Always try to say Britain or UK. I was told off by a Scot like you wouldn’t believe.
English people are the main force behind Brexit. British people were also dominated and oppressed by the english, they have a different lived experience.
Mara dont seriously pull the “notallenglish” . Its a bit too close to “notallmen”.
QueenB – absolutely understand where your coming from but the analogy isn’t exactly the same. The major difference is that in the ‘not all men’ scenario the men weren’t the victims. English people will be victims here (a long with the rest of the UK although the Scotts and Northern Irish have a possible escape route if they are able to declare independence). This isn’t men complaining that they can’t offensive jokes, this is people in my local hospital who could die because the right equipment/drugs can’t get into the country.
Welsh person here! Wales voted for Brexit, I am ashamed to say. This was despite being one of the biggest beneficiaries of EU funding, but that’s a whole other discussion about socioeconomically deprived areas voting against their own interests (imo).
I see your point about the original driving force for Brexit coming from an antiquated fantasy of British Imperialism (gross), but it certainly wasn’t only England that voted for Brexit.
The vote was 48 to 52 % so I think it’s fair not to generalize in this case.
Yes, Clare, I have no problem in spreading the responsibility for the ills of colonialism and xenophobia to all Brits. So there.
@Canber, are you happy for all Americans to take the blame for slavery and the genocide of the native Americans? Just seeing how far your historical blame goes.
If one’s ancestors were in the States while that happened of course. DOH
@Canber, my ancestors were being starved to death in Ireland, which was part of the UK at that time. My husband’s ancestors were Jewish in Germany. We’re both British now. Should we take responsibility? This is a ludicrous principle.
Your husband? No. You, of course. Bye, now. You’re boring me.
Ah, but you are not boring me at all. (I think you’re an idiot, but that’s beside the point). So if one’s ancestors were in the States when slavery happened, and they were enslaved people, then they should “of course take the blame.” How delightful.
Britain wants to leave then they have to negotiate.
The EU isnt going to give away all the benefits it has to a country that doesnt want the responsibilities that come with it.
Why do you think the EU are being difficult? They have to protect their member countries and the single market. Say the UK decides to make a trade deal with a non-EU country and import goods whose health and safety standards might be lower than the EU standard (e.g. chlorinated chicken from the US which is banned in the EU), then the EU has to make sure that those goods cannot be sold at the single market. Which can’t be achieved if the UK stays in the single market, or if there is no hard border with the Republic of Ireland.
Theresa May and her cabinet are the only ones being difficult here, going for hard Brexit solely on their own fancy and laying their ridiculous red lines in the negotiations. Then complaining about being treated unfairly.
1. the UK decided to leave based on a totally unnecessary referendum in 2016 (Cameron)
2. the UK always received special treatment within the EU (British rebate)
3. the UK has criticized the EU for being bureaucratic etc. while at the same time blocking major changes
4. the UK had more than 2.5 years to find a solution for a situation it brought upon itself (see point 1). During these 2.5 years, May a) called for a unnecessary general election, thus loosing the majority in parliament and b) stuck to self-imposed red lines which made a good deal impossible.
IMO the UK should leave and after a few years reassess the situation and then decide whether to re-join the EU (or not).
As a resident and citizen of EU country that waited and waited to become a member….why should EU be nice? EU took UK in when it didn’t have to-the economy wasn’t great in UK at the time and UK majorly profitted of EU membership from 70ies until today.
At the same time, let’s remember the fact that, when all of the EU declined to enter in USA attack on Afghanistan and Iraq (which later turned out to be disastrous, directly caused ISIS and others to emerge and turn Syria and others into blood bath in recent years), the only EU country that disregarded this was….-UK and Blair!
EU has been created with an idea of UNIFIED Europe, a community of countries which respect each other and function together and UK always expected special treatment. And most people are more than tired of that .
this is, of course, totally anecdotal, but all the people I know-from various socio-economic classes are hoping that UK doesn’t reach a deal and that the break happens. And although I know that is totally unrealistic, I hope that when they do re-apply, Ireland will, once again, put a veto on their membership. Or all of us.
If they go easy on Britain, it disincentivizes the prospect of being part of the EU. The EU has to protect itself and its member countries or it risks fracturing even further. You can’t give EU benefits to non-EU members and still maintain the integrity of the union. I honestly don’t understand what the hell the UK thought was going to happen. Their decision to put it to national referendum fueled by a campaign of misinformation forced the EU’s hands. This is their own fault.
Well, they kind of already do (Norway and Switzerland). But the point is that you can’t cherry-pick without paying for the privilege.
“Seemed to go poorly” must win the prize for the understatement of the year.
The worst thing is that both Remainers and Brexiteers see yesterday’s result as a win for them – the Remainers (me included) hope/think it means that we don’t leave full-stop, the Brexiteers hope/think it means we will crash out with no deal. We are no closer to finding any middle ground and basically, the country is f*cked.
I’ve never commented before and i’m not British but i have been following this whole saga from the start. And i suppose it’s easier to have the opinion i do because it doesn’t really affect me.. but Britain did vote leave and the point of a democracy is that everyone’s vote counts and that it’s the will of the (majority of) the people. it’s just a slippery slope to turn back the result of a referendum (whether it shouldve happened or not ) or decide to have another because the outcome wasn’t favourable. the whole thing was ridiculous though, i dont know how action can be taken on such a small majority.
*Coughs politely* Nice treaty referenda in Ireland. *cough*
I never said it was a good idea in the first place, or that it was even implemented particularly well just that it was decided that the outcome would be followed
Yup!!
Referendums are not legally binding, so legally the Government can ignore the results. The Nice Treaty here in Ireland being an example of a do-over. Brexit has been a missive clusterfu*k from start to dragging on finish.
They can ignore the results, and i agree its been a giant mess but dont you think ignoring the results will just make things worse?
No sane political party would have dared ignored the results, even now they wouldn’t hence why the call for a 2nd ref is getting louder.
Brexiters are getting their panties in a right twist over not getting the Brexit they want – a Brexit that is driven by racism and xenophobia.
They could have sat on the results and formulated a coherent plan then triggered Article 50, instead they went with chaos.
No to little consideration has been given to the Good Friday agreement, I have seen people suggest that a reunited Ireland is the best way forward for the UK, but the reality is that Ireland cannot afford a united Ireland, the major employer in Northern Ireland is civil service jobs, they also voted to remain and that is without the issue of N.I voting no on gay marriage while we have voted yes in the Republic, as is also the case with abortion. So a united Ireland will not work, but how can we go back to the days of a hard border either? People commute back and forth in the border counties daily for work so what do they do?
All of this has been reactionary and no forethought was put into the realities of what this vote really meant because certain people pushed their agenda on a population that felt unheard and frightened for the future because of xenophobia.
@zappbrannigan you’re 100% right. All these people who say “oh we’ll just leave with no deal it’ll be fine” fail to ignore the potential impact on Ireland let alone all the other factors. They just dismiss it as project fear. Knowing the potential consequences for Ireland was one of the main reasons I voted remain. Some people are looking at it from a purely selfish perspective and thinking of themselves when they need to look at the bigger picture. I actually think Ireland could be the sticking point that could lead to Brexit not happening depending on what happens next.
I’ve been following all the Brexit news closely for years. What an utter disaster. I don’t think anyone predicted such an absolute avalanche of a defeat. For any Americans who want a super simple explanation of what just happened, the BBC has a great little explainer from yesterday titled “What just happened?”
I have at least 3 friends who’s livelihoods and residency are in the balance because of this. I can imagine it’s incredibly stressful. (I guess the silver lining for our neighbors across the pond is that even though Brexit is a total shi!show, no matter how bad it gets, the fact that Cheeto is still our president makes Brexit the second biggest shi!show in the Western hemisphere). (Tongue firmly in cheek).
I wish this was all a movie and I could fast forward to when Putin is in the gallows and western liberal democracy is rid of all of the xenophobic idiots and avaricious demons who helped him (and Xi Jinping) wage war against us.
Seconded. Both Russia and China are using western democracies’ competitive party systems as a lever into convincing citizens and politicians of whatever country to put party interests before their country’s (or conflating the two as one and the same). You only need to spend an hour on social media – especially Twitter with all those truncated names/numbered accounts – to know they’re still at it. The infection’s already started under the #cdnpoli (Canadian politics) hashtag.. just in time for an autumn 2019 election.
Brexit is a near-perfect self-own. Who would have thought that one of the mightiest empires this world has ever seen would end this way. Not with a bang, and not with a whimper, but with the clamor of a clown car driving over a cliff into the ocean. It’s just amazing.
Dee Kay, this sounds like a comment that’s true for America, too. That asshat Trump wants to remove the U.S. from NATO, which would weaken countries to the point Russian aggression would proliferate. Who would have EVER thought a U.S. President would ever be a pawn (wittingly or unwittingly) to the U.S.S.R.? Not only would Reagan be turning in his grave, but all the other dead presidents, too. I really think the Republican Congress has sold our country down the river. So much for the faux patriotism. The remaining living presidents should really speak up now.
Seriously. I’m not a Reagan fan at all, but when Trump praised the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan I could pretty much feel him turning in his grave.
It’s a little comforting to know that America isn’t the only country willing to enthusiastically punch itself in the dick.
Bwhahaha!!! I needed that laugh. So funny, thank you!
May survived the vote but Labour is threatening to continue to table these motions to force a GE as Corbyn in determined to push is Brexit agenda – would be jolly nice of him to actually tell the British people what that agenda is! So far its been crickets on the subject from him. I suspect that Corbyn’s vision of Brexit would be much worse than May’s hence why he ain’t telling no one about it.
The British people will not forget this Mr Leader of the Opposition.
Political commentators are saying that if he keeps tabling the motions he will lose support from Plaid Cymru and other parties. I’m a child of the 70s and remember the blackouts. Anyone who thinks a militant left will save the country is mistaken. The problem in the country is that we won’t pay enough tax. The Conservatives and New Labour scramble around trying to balance the books but there’s not much they can do because the General public won’t pay for the services they are demanding.
Brexit wasn’t just about xenophobia. There were so many reasons people voted out. I know of one intelligent surgeon who believes in Europe but voted leave because the fall in the £ made him extra money in a large transaction 😲. Some people voted out because the south east is horribly overcrowded, hospitals, school places, housing can’t cope with the surge in numbers and successive governments aren’t doing anything about it. Others voted out because they are horrible racists. I’m still hoping we stay in but it’s got to the stage people just want to win like its a bloody football match and reason has gone out of the window. We need a national government for a period of time because party politics, is not working.
And leaving the EU would make the Southeast less overcrowded. Such idiots.
Can we just stick Corbyn and JRM on a dinghy into the Irish Sea and be rid of the two most useless, obtuse men in British politics? Tossers, the both of them.
Clare. Get that motion tabled and I bet it would be passed.
Can we throw trump in the boat, too?