I remember just before Meghan Markle and Prince Harry’s wedding last year, when the British papers suddenly “revealed” something they had known for months: that Thomas Markle had been setting up paparazzi photos for profit. I felt like I was on crack as I watched the British papers act like this was brand-new information, and that it was obviously Meghan’s fault for not taking better care of her dad. All of that set the tone for the cracked-out shenanigans of both Thomas Markle and the British tabloid press for months to come. All of it has a performative nature on both sides, and Thomas is working in tandem with the British media to denigrate and destroy Meghan.
So it is with the letter Meghan sent Thomas last August. She basically sent him a long-detonation bomb: she knew he would eventually sell the letter, so she made sure that when the letter became public, she would in fact be airing her side of their drama. And for that, she’s being criticized too, because again, everything about this makes me feel like I’m smoking crack. Meghan is a smart chess player who thinks ten steps ahead, and for that she’s being criticized. Everything she wrote to her father is true, and he sold the letter, and somehow to the British press it’s all still Meghan’s fault.
The Mail on Sunday dined out on the newly-revealed letter, and you can see their coverage here. Meghan takes her dad to task thoroughly, and Thomas offered commentary on what she said piece by piece. One of the stupidest moments is that he acts like Americans don’t know the expression “down the rabbit hole.” Um, Americans are familiar with Alice In Wonderland, dumbass. Anyway, Katie Nicholl at Vanity Fair managed to get another exclusive, and obviously it’s gentle on Meghan:
Meghan is said to be “at her wit’s end” over her father’s decision to continue giving interviews, despite her pleas with him to stop speaking out. Kensington Palace has declined to comment on the letter, while sources close to the duchess say she has no plans to comment, fearing it could escalate an already difficult situation. “She cares for her dad, and has concerns for him and his mental health, which is one of the reasons she doesn’t want to comment on this,” says a source. “It’s a very complex, very emotional situation, and let’s not forget she is seven months pregnant.”
Markle said he had planned to keep the letter private, but felt that after Meghan’s friends rushed to her defense and attacked him via People magazine, he had no choice but to defend himself. “The letter was presented in a way that vilified me and wasn’t true,” he told the Mail on Sunday. The full contents of the letter were not made public, and more details could be released this weekend.
Meghan is said to be devastated that her 74-year-old dad has once again betrayed her privacy. In the handwritten letter, some of which was printed in the Mail on Sunday over the weekend, the duchess begged her father to stop talking to the papers, so they could try to work through their difficulties.
It has also emerged that the Queen is concerned about the situation between Meghan and her father. A family friend has told Vanity Fair that the monarch is aware of the family rift, and urged Prince Harry and Meghan to try to sort out the situation with Markle before Christmas. “She told them both that the whole thing was becoming a nightmare, and that they should try and sort things out,” according to the friend. Buckingham Palace refused to comment on the claim.
Markle’s decision to share his daughter’s letter with the press is further evidence of how strained the relationship is. Those close to Meghan and Harry say that Markle’s decision to speak out to the press again has likely cost him any chance of a reconciliation, and that Harry is “angry” and “upset” that his father-in-law, who he has yet to meet, is still speaking to the press.
“Markle said he had planned to keep the letter private, but felt that after Meghan’s friends rushed to her defense and attacked him via People magazine, he had no choice but to defend himself.” He planned to keep the letter private because even he understood that the letter contradicted some of his own unhinged false statements to the press. That’s why Meghan’s a good chess player – she didn’t want her father’s bullsh-t hanging over her during the birth of her first child. So she detonated the bomb by having her friends talk about the letter to People Mag, thus ensuring that Thomas would have to reveal it.
And also: Thomas has no defense. He’s not “defending himself,” he’s just selling out Meghan yet again. What’s driving me crazy is that no one in the British media seems to give a sh-t that Thomas Markle is a toxic, emotionally abusive hypocritical liar who is only looking to profit from his connection to Meghan. They’re too busy twisting themselves into knots to find a way to blame Meghan for setting boundaries from a toxic parent.
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yeah, down the rabbit hole is a pretty common expression and definitely something that Americans say. I really wish that she would just completely freeze them out and just leave it as that. eventually they’re going to run out of things to say. I don’t want her playing in chess with them, I want them to eventually run out of material and go the f away.
Exactly. She needs to banish her father and her crazy sister from her life, and ignore them forever. They will eventually run out of new material to run to the press with.
I totally agree in theory but will they run out of material? I feel like the press will go to him every time anything happens in her life.
@Stripe: Yes but what is TomTom going to say now that he has no new material? Media: “Tom, what’s new with your daughter?”
Tom: “er…i don’t know, she had breakfast and had a baby and that makes her a bad, ungrateful daughter?”… LOL…Media after seeing their profits and public interest dwindle: “sure dude….thank you, NEXT! Have the Beckhams imploded yet? We need insiders and new fresh drama to sell!”
I would just ignore this, not have my friends speak to People magazine and treat my crazy family like they were dead!
I’m Irish and English and I’m very stiff upper lip, ignore you type person. I felt this family drama was finally quiet now in the press and no matter how the media and royal insiders try to smack her down she is LOVED by us regular peeps!
About halfway or so into the video below, she says “I feel like I’m being led down a rabbit hole here….”.
This was before she met harry, most likely months before. So, poor Harry had nothing to do with that particular expression. Just a continuation of this lunatic’s hatred for and obsession with his younger rival. (In his mind, at least)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=trFWwBjdQFM
I cannot imagine what Meghan is feeling. To be so publicly abused by parent has got to gut wrenching. Thomas Markle is a truly despicable human.
Maybe that’s Thomas’ last card and that’s why Meg forced things for him to play it so now she can be completely done with them and 100% ignore until the media fire eventually dies down, because it will. She can now focus on her marriage and her baby and let things take its course. Thomas is out of new material to sell her now. He better “enjoy” the last of his shenenigans. The media is fickle, his 15 mins are about over.
Two things:
1. I suspect he was saving the letter for his “book”. That would have made his book explosive. When Meghan’s friends released the info, I think he was faced with the choice of still holding on to it and risking Meghan leaking out the full letter; which would have made it worthless for him. OR Quickly sell the letter at a discount, but at least still make money from it. I wonder if he’s going to save the final excerpts of the letter for his book, so there’s still a reason to buy it.
2. After the events of the last few days, it’s become extremely clear that there can be no relationship going forward. So now, he can stop haranguing her in the press with his fake cries for attention. As a bonus, all the calls (from the public + Royal commenters), trying to guilt her into reconciling can now shut up. Goodness, even Ingrid Watshername has said there can be no way forward now.
Finally!
Goodness me. His behaviour has been narcissistic at best. He’s too far up his ow n backside to appreciate his loving and empathic daughter. I trust she’ll strengthen her boundaries and realize she can’t change him and is not responsible for his toxic behaviour. Thankfully she has a loving supportive husband and mother and father-in-law. xx
I used to think this was the best way to handle the Markles. However, that’s not the case. As long as Meghan exists, the Markles will talk about her bc the British press continue to give them a platform. This move by her was smart. She made her father play his hand and expose himself even more. This move was for the casual fans who aren’t royal watchers. They are given even more of leverage to dislike the Markles. Also this move makes Thomas look definitively toxic. The reputable American media outlets won’t want to give him the benefit of the doubt. Moving forward the British media who continue to give the Markle the time of day will look increasingly bad. And with people commenting about the similarities to how Diana was treated everyone will be on high alert for Meghan. She probably gained a few more fans ready to defend her and push back at the British media.
Richard Kay finally had a somewhat sympathetic piece yesterday, but OMG, that comment section is like reading the MAGATs supporting their cult leader, Fat Nixon! NO AMOUNT OF PROOF, EVEN SHOVED IN THEIR FACES, WILL *EVER* OPEN THEIR EYES!
@Jan90067 Yep the haters will remain haters. There is nothing she can do about it because for a lot of them the hate stems from racism.
However, there are people on the sidelines who only know bits and pieces about Meghan, the Markles and the Royals. Those are the people Meghan wins over to with this move. Those are the people who might not comment on DM but will like and retweet the push back of the British media.
For example my mother doesn’t care about the royals. She watched the wedding and enjoyed it but that’s it. When Thomas revealed the letter this weekend, my mom called me to talk about how gross the Markles are and how this is reminding her of Princess Di treatment. These are the people who Meghan gets as her allies.
Joro, you’re correct. Sadly, the racists and xenophobes will never change, not in the UK or here. I’m glad to hear that people like your mom are seeing what really is going on, and will offer support in their own ways. ❤️
I really just hope there *is* a special hell for people like Evil Papa Smurf and PsychoSam (and those MAGAts and republiTHUGS who continue to promote all this hate).
I was twitter and Pierce POS Morgan said she’s not even the top 3 Royals at Kensington Palace. Me and several others twitted ” since she’s not the popular, y’all going to stop reporting about her right?” People are now targeting Sarah The Duchess of York for speaking out.
Meghans real concern here, aside from her hurt feelings, is that the queen is angry about her dumpster fire dad.
Of all the people in Britain, the queen is the person who matters, not the public, not the daily mail, to Harry and Meghan.
Diana was hugely popular all over the world, but the queen had the power to clip her royal wings, and occasionally did do that.
The queen has the power to decide exactly who will work on her behalf, and how prominent their role will be. Meghan has no “rights” concerning her royal working life.
She appears to value her ability to make a difference and promote causes close to her heart.
Letting daddy dumpster fire damage her relationship with her in laws would be a serious mistake
Letting him?
“Letting daddy dumpster fire damage her relationship with her in laws would be a serious mistake”
Serious question, how does she prevent that? He clearly will not act in her best interest, and she can’t force him to stop running his mouth for money. I really want to know how anyone expects Meghan to do anything about her dad at this point. She has tried, she begged him to stop selling her out, and he won’t. What now? At what point can we, the queen, everyone put the blame for this mess where it belongs, on Thomas Markle?
This is an excellent point. At this point, Meghan would be wise to listen to the counsel of the Queen/Charles and their PR people. If they aren’t able to contain the situation, at least the Queen will understand the futility of dealing with Meghan’s narc relatives and Meghan will not be blamed by the royals for dealing with the situation inappropriately. I don’t see how it would hurt.
@algernon and lady d
Should have said letting him go on without accepting the queens concrete offer of help.
Back in December BP leaked that the queen instructed her staff to be proactive and make the problem go away.
BP also leaked that meghan refused. I can see why she would say no. But rejecting the queens request? She supposedly said she would handle it.
With the queen still seeing his face on her papers in February, I think meghan has more than her dad on her plate
And Algernon I wholeheartedly agree the blame for this lies with Thomas.
There are those that say that Meghan and Harry were clumsy in handling this early on.
But with a normal dad, how he was handled would not matter.
I do not think he cares for meghan at all, other than as an object that he can take undeserving credit for.
And I’m not suggesting the BP plan will work. This disaster of a human being likes attention too much. But letting the royals do their best to shut it down would be Meghans best course of action
Algernon: I don’t think anybody can do anything to stop it. But if the Queen is indeed upset or thinks Thomas has been handled poorly, then as Hershey points out, that is a separate issue that is best corrected. It’s not too late for Meghan to take up her offer of help. BP likely won’t be able to stop the narc relatives either, but Meghan and Harry’s cooperation with BP on a matter that is (rightly or wrongly) upsetting senior royals would be a positive for both of them.
He clearly expects a payoff. Problem is, even the details of that payoff will most likely find it’s way into the papers, subsequently.
@bella Dupont
He probably expects much more than anyone could or would give him.
But what counts most is Meghan being onside with the queen. If the palace plan fails, that’s not meghans fault.
But continuing to say no thanks to the queen will cause meghan damage going forward.
She may already have accepted the help.
With all due respect, after everything written in these comments in past months by people with personal experience of narcissitic-type individuals, anyone who still believes the Thomas problem would’ve been handled by a monthly stipend, or trying to “patch things up”, doesn’t understand a big part of this problem.
I strongly suspect that includes both the queen and Prince Charles.
I do agree it’s not just about money. And the part that’s about money is a bottomless pit that wouldn’t be satisfied by just a monthly stipend; there would always be jealousy and entitlement over anything Meghan or others close to her (Doria?) got that he didn’t. This part I have experience with.
In retrospect, it seems Meghan (and Harry) tried to be somewhat proactive before the wedding, including massaging his ego by asking Thomas to walk her down the aisle, having all his clothes made in England, private transportation, etc. And he basically threw it all back in her face, apparently not even bothering to respond to her phone calls.
But the fact that Meghan even invited her father to the wedding, and still had a relationship with him, when he must have always been problematic to some extent, makes me believe she had previously worked out a means of dealing with Thomas, himself, and was still trying to do that with her letter. But the poisonous Samatha is now advising him, and it’s been a whole new ball game.
What the queen and Charles could and should have done, separately from any help they may have offered to Meghan, is to make sure none of the royal-sponsored social media could be used as a platform for the kind of hateful comments appearing in the press. That particularly includes the KP twitter account. That should have been moderated, or else shut down, some time ago. Allowing those comments to stand doesn’t just reflect badly on the BRF, it’s a confirmation to those posters that what they say is okay. Why even bother worrying about the press, if they’re willing to host these comments themselves?
If the Queen tried to handle Thomas and it didn’t work(because it wouldn’t, because the only thing that will work is if the press stops running stories about him)*, then the blame STILL would have been on Meghan. Do we really think that BP would step forward at that point and say “we tried to help! it didn’t work!” No, of course not.
And, like @windyriver said – I don’t think the Queen and Charles know how to handle Thomas, that’s why he is still doing this.
*I know the queen has pull with the press, but I don’t think she would have been able to shut Thomas down entirely.
To be honest, I’m not even entirely sure I believe the story about the Queen offering help. To me that comes off as very “Queen offered help, Meghan refused, so this is all on Meghan now, OH WELL, NOTHING BP CAN DO!”
@windyriver
I think you mention a good point about the social media that is being used by the palace. It is a great way to communicate with the public about what the royals are doing.
But as you say, it is giving a feeding ground to those that want to be hateful and lash out.
They should probably alter their approach to the platforms, take away the comments or even shut it down temporarily.
Thomas has been like a huge incendiary fire bomb for the royal family. I agree that the palace plan would likely not be wholly effective.
But if Meghan cooperates with the palace, she will be seen as onside with them.
Leaks started from inside to credible reporters when she apparently said no to the queens staff.
It was leaked again today, along with mention of queen saying directly to meghan she wanted it handled.
Going forward what matters more to meghans future is her relationship with her in laws.
The royal family have dealt with problem individuals before. I do agree not like thomas. I suspect his demands would be about more than money.
But the point is, why not let them try? The leaks about meghan refusing help went to credible sources.
Some of the other leaks about her from inside dropped about the same time.
She has enough problems, keeping the queen and the queens office on her side seems more important than a lot of other things right now.
Thomas Markle tried to break into acting and was never successful, which is why he became a lighting designer. This is his opportunity to be “famous” and no amount of begging from his daughter or money from the palace is ever going to shut him up because he loves seeing his face on TV and in the newspaper. He is going to drag out his 15 minutes of fame for as long as he can.
@ Hershey
You are absolutely right. She does have to find a way to get onside with the Queen on this. The only problem long term is that they’re not just dealing with one predator……this is a vicious school of piranhas.
Sort out Thomas and whatever outrageous demands he has and you’ve basically taught greedy Samantha, Thomas Jnr (and goodness knows which other Markle still hiding in the woodworks), how to position their attacks in order to get a nice payoff as well.
Do you remember Samantha saying they should have sent a “private plane” to pick up sack of sh-t Thomas, after his fictional “heart attack” and fly him to london for the wedding? Lol.
Even if the BRF were happy to toss suitcases full of cash down a bottomless dungeon to satisfy this greedy lot, imagine what would happen if the scale of their payoff(s) got publicized! They would be rightly shredded for spending much needed funds trying to satisfy this dumpster fire of a family.
They’re not only delusional, they’re also incredibly greedy and unrealistic. You can’t satisfy these sorts of predators.
I think this was the last shot fired. Also, anyone notice in Ms McNicoll’s article she says friends were RUSHING TO HER DEFENSE….yet I don’t think this was rushed. 1. it would take time to connect with 5 people 2. a lot of crap has come down the pipes and been allowed to pass 3. it’s so filled with hyperbole that it all seems exaggerated
HOW could commenting, after almost a year of this crap with Dad, (and even longer with PsychoSam), could this be considered RUSHING?
In one sense, I can see Meg’s friends being given the green light to do this (even though one said Meg had “no idea” that they were doing it; can you imagine, this going on w/out Palace knowledge/approval?). I think the thinking was, putting the People story out would force EPS to publish HIS copy (and only portions, at that), and this gives Meghan the upper hand now. Now, I think she can threaten legal action (as “author” having work printed w/out her permission) if he doesn’t cease and desist.
Katie Nicholls has no credibility and no sources when it comes to H&M. If you read her articles about them closely they’re either 100% off base (she said Meghan’s wedding dress would be made out of lace and said Harry had a crush on her for years before they met) or so vague that any of us could write it. Oh really? Meghan is devastated by her father’s actions? Shocking new development. I do believe that she has Cambridge sources, who knows if she has BP ones
exactly, he’s toxic he should be done with. all the saga could end without Meghan saying a word. It’d be much quicker with less people involved.
Her father has been living in Mexico for quite a while and he may be unaware of expressions that have become common in the US in the past few years. I don’t recall hearing “down the rabbit hole” myself until a few years ago, specifically in reference to internet activities. Although I used to play my little dictionary game as a kid (read a definition for a word, look for definitions of the words in the definition etc. until usually everything becomes hopelessly circular) and likewise fell into a few rabbit holes with hardcopy encyclopedias.
Alice in Wonderland has been a thing here for generations. There was a disney cartoon. It is a well known story and I’ve heard people use the phrase since I was a child. Thomas is grasping at straws, or making things up, or just plain ignorant.
Exactly, this has been a highly popular children’s book and movie in the U.S for generations. And that phrase has been commonly used. Also there is the red pill/blue pill scene from The Matrix where this is directly mentioned. Perhaps Thomas may have heard of the movie:
“After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill—the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill—you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes. Remember: all I’m offering is the truth.”
“Down the rabbit hole” was common parlance in America during Thomas Markle’s childhood.
‘Down the rabbit hole’ was a term in common use when I was growing up on the East Coast of the US..
I truly think the only way they will go away is when the father, sister, and brother, die.
When they run out of things to say they will make up stories about her.
This man is toxic and I feel so bad for Meg. This would be not only embarrassing but emotionally devastating. So sending good vibes their way.
The media will always support abusive manipulative men.
We have seen it over and over again how men like Depp, Pitt and now Thomas just getting away with the horrible stuff they have done.
Yes, but it doesn’t last forever…as soon as another “squirrel” bites the dust the media itself transfers the attention to the new juicy scandal for profit. So, i see why Meg isn’t too worried about it. Now we need a Beckham bombshell to focus on the next drama that sells.
Dear God, does this man have no shame?? And apparently he is stupid on top of it. How does showing that letter vindicate him in the slightest? It shows her asking him to stop and he asks for a photo-op. What an idiot. I have toxic relatives and all you can do is cut them off entirely or they will manipulate you forever.
Agree, she has to totally cut her creepy father and half-sister from her life forever. They clearly weren’t mentally or emotionally stable enough to be able to react appropriately to her marrying into the royal family. It would be a jolting change for any family but for really unstable people like those two, it must have been like jet fuel for their dysfunction and probable mental illnesses. They so clearly have the aim to destroy her relationships with the royal family if they can’t profit on it. This is not going to go away of its own accord and will probably escalate when she gives birth. The father and half-sister might get charged if they go too far with these harassments – maybe that would be a good thing.
This is insanity to me. These British papers are participating in the abuse of Megan by her own father and gleefully doing so. And you should se the comments on the DM articles. I am by no means an Meg Defender but Chr*st on a cracker where does it end? I honestly don’t see how this stops. Her dad is never going to stop this, clearly. Do we think the papers/public will stop feeding this at some point?
He is 74 years old and clearly very unhealthy – it will end in a few years at most.
+1 @OCE That’s what I keep thinking too. There definitely IS an end to this. And it’s probably not too, too far in the future.
When ut does end Meghan will be remembered as the woman who abandoned her father. I know what I’m talking about. I’ve been there.
No, she’ll be remembered as the first WOC in the royal family. Her dad will be at best a minor footnote, just like Diana’s estranged mother is at best a minor footnote in the Diana narrative. And I’m betting the narrative will be “the woman who succeeded despite abusive family” not “the B who abandoned her dad.”
They will once a new juicy big profile drama hits the fan. That’s the law of the tabloids.
The British papers are in an abusive relationship with a narcissist and don’t realize it. Anyone giving the White Markles an inch of copy space needs to read this: https://amzn.to/2SINwQF
The queen instructed her staff to be proactive and make the problem of thomas go away.
This was leaked in December. The staff did as instructed and went to Kensington, where according to leaks, meghan said no thanks, I will handle this.
Not being critical, thomas is the bad guy, but ignoring the queen when your dad is vomit on her newspapers every morning, seems a bit short sighted.
Not sure what “proactive” means, but probably means let’s make sure this guy gets a monthly stipend that will keep him from wanting to accept cash from the papers. She may have even suggested they try to patch things up.
I can see why Meghan would say no to this. Her dad seems to care more about attention than her or even money.
But if she said ok to the queen, and the BP plan failed, it would not be on meghan.
This is about way more than.ignoring her dad
I do not believe the queen’s offer of help would have included paying off Thomas Markle. That’s essentially giving in to blackmail.
So, how can we be sure the “leak” in December was accurate? It seems there is another rumor being started that the Queen is ticked off at Meghan. This is rubbish. Everytime a man with borderline personality disorder is raging against a woman people tsk tsk with “Well, if she…” “Why didn’t she…” “If only she…” It is always questions about HER conduct. In this instance, it is totally obvious that the fault is with that POS that calls himself her father (and the tabloids, of course). I don’t for one minute think the Queen has turned on Meghan. She has a rather strong ally, the man actually acting like a Father, Prince Charles.
I think the People article with the mentions of this long ago (August of 2018) letter was crafted by Charles’ people as Harry and Meghan are working with Charles. Also, Charles’ people are most likely assisted by Serena’s PR firm. It has been obvious for a long time that H&M should not depend on KP – or the same people who are only loyal to the heir of the heir.
I don’t believe the leak about the Queen offering help and Meghan turning it down. Meghan was being lambasted left and right by royal reporters and their palace sources immediately after the tour ended until the Christmas Day stroll. Any leaked sources during that period was nothing more than piling on to tear down Meghan and change public opinion of her after a very successful tour.
Please. If the Queen wants things to go away (Epstein-Andrew, all of Philip’s affairs) they go away. I do think that HM should get involved in this, but I do not think she has done as yet.
I think she is at her wits end and has every right to defend herself. Her father is a narcissistic POS who is more than willing to take down his daughter, in other words put her in her place. She’s probably had to put up with his bullsh@t for years but now has to deal with it publicly.
The British press knows he’s a POS and they don’t care. This is just another example of white privilege. Some really don’t like that a POC has married into the BRF and will do everything they can to denigrate her. Her father and half sister are more than willing to do that because they resent her too.
she needs to just cut both the sister and the sperm donor out of her life. they will never, ever be anyone she can rely on for anything — other than betrayal.
It appears (to me) that Meghan has cut the toxic father and other daughter out of her life. The problem is the British tabloids giving them a platform and continually using them to bash and denigrate Meghan. The problem is the British tabloids….can’t the Royal Family do something about the abuse being carried out by the British tabloids?
IMO the British media will not stop as the headlines are basically writing themselves, e.g.
“Devastated Thomas Markle denied access to his grandchild” and a pic of him holding a teddy in the camera etc. They can already do the photo sessions now.
I’m sure some media / journalists were doing summersaults when Meghan appeared on stage because they knew they could milk this for quite a while. Just go back to the Kate-Meghan feud. With the benefit of hindsight I’m pretty sure they never had a problem with each other. While they might not be very close, all the feud-headlines were made-up / totally blown out of proportion by the media.
Queen offered help and personally urged Meghan and Harry to take it.
I like Meghan, but feel this is a serious error.
@Hershey: you don’t know that, and I strongly doubt that.
First off, Meghan’s friends didn’t rush to her defense. I’m sure they wanted to, but this People article came almost a full year after Markle’s antics started. So Meghan gave him plenty of opportunity to stop, change his behavior, etc and he didn’t.
I feel like I’m in an alternate universe on twitter lately. I can’t figure out what they want Meghan to do, and then I realize – it doesn’t matter. She can’t shut up the RRs at this point, so she just needs to do her own thing.
THANK YOU becks1!!!
What exactly do these pretzelized critics want Meghan to do?
Down a rabbit hole indeed.
Feel the same way and ITA. They will not leave her alone, no matter what she does.
Something must be wrong with Thomas. Humilating his daughter all these months and then the old crocodile sheds fake tears about how he wants a relationship with Meghan and his future grandchild? The man needs help or a good smack with one of the Queen’s handbags.
“…A good smack with one of the queen’s handbags” LOL. Just died with this comment! But for reals, poor Meghan, even though she has done nothing wrong, and the Queen and prince Charles like her, it must be so awkard and embarrasing for her to have to see this day in and day out and have the people within the palace talk about it.
Just the fact that he has not met Harry speaks volumes. In any normal family, they would have met long before the wedding, like Harry met Doria. Meghan was probably too embarrased to introduce Harry to her father.
I wonder why he’s so fixated over this grandchild. He has nothing to do with the other ones, yet the press don’t bring mention this. He’ll probably show the trashy press, tons of photos of empty boxes wrapped really pretty. Stating these are presents for the baby and I want to give them to MY grandchild. Samantha will show up at Kensington Palace or if there’s a good crown Buckingham Palace, with empty presents demanding Meghan come out and get these gifts.
Because it’s a royal baby. TM is motivated by his delusions of self-importance and his need for control/power. It’s quite disturbing and frightening.
He want$ $$$$. Lots of it.
I don’t think so. I think he just wants attention and power over Meghan. She’s his property in his eyes. He wants to be a Big Important Man and hang out with the Queen. Can you imagine what disrespectful, disruptive thing he would say to the Queen’s face if he could? He’d steal the knick knacks and sell them!
British press is ruthless. Always been, I mean look at Diana. They know what they are doing, they see the toxicity, they just don’t care because this could lead to a reaction from the palace and that’s gold to them.
Poor Meghan, being pregnant should be a joyous time. Also, I know her and Harry love each other but all of this must take a toll on them and their relationship. Harry is fiercely protective (i mean his mother basically died because of the media) and this must be hard on him.
even American celebrities said they were ruthless.
thomas toxic markle did irreparable damage by releasing the letter. If I were Meghan, I would never contact him again or allow him access to my children, not only does the letter proves to the public how much he has lied but his response asking for a picture together shows he is in it for the money or recognition only. Toxic people need to be cut off, its heart breaking when its a family member but no one deserves to harassed and brought down by the negativity of those close to them. I dont understand how people can say Meghan is the toxic one, if she was, then why would her dad and sister be so desperate to reach out to her and be acknowledged by her? They wouldnt want to be part of her life either. Toxic thomas says hes just defending himself, oh please, a true loving father doesn’t need to prove anything to the world, just to his daughter. At this point, his only chance is to stop speaking to the press and give it a few months, nay, years for the wounds he inflicted to heal if they even can at all.
What? Evil Papa Smurf and Prince Harry have never met? The Other Daughter lied? Say it isn’t so.
The Washington Post did an amazing op-ed about the UK coverage of Meghan, Duchess of Sussex https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/opinions/2019/02/08/what-meghan-catherine-feud-narrative-says-about-britain-world/
Op-ed perfectly states what is happening via a racial lens. I believe many are not able to draw a thread through these themes of bigoted attacks against her because there are virtually NO BLACK people in the media who cover royals + celebrities, thus many cannot clearly express the crux of this nonsense. This is not simply a “cultural divide” or a fight between family. This is a full out example of why the nation voted Brexit. This is an example of why the Brits are no longer the greatest empire – the UK is behind the times and cannot accept an (American) woman of color they believe doesn’t belong in the highest echelons of their segregated class of society.
The WashPo op-ed was written by a Nigerian woman who hit the nail on the head – because we are VERY familiar with English culture. My black British friends are not surprised what is happening to Meghan at all, they understand the hostility as they know these British waters well. The only thing that comforts me is that I know Meghan will be fine – we Black women are used to this visceral nonsense thrown at us. I just wait for when ALL media decides to stop monetizing on this nonsense hostile coverage for clicks by ceasing coverage of this gossip. Cover Meghan’s actual work and stop the BS coverage for clicks.
OCE- this is a fantastic read. I only hope this article and more like it get some coverage in the UK. People need to be confronted with this truth.
Someone posted this op ed on Sunday, I think it was in the Letter thread. I really liked it, and made me realize many things. I loved the ‘single story’ concept – also saw the Adichie ted Talk linked.
I think in Meghan’s case we have two situations that intersect in the rags coverage: racism and her narc parent. Almost always racism is the only fuel to the pov of the coverage and it is always lingering under all the dogwhistling.
But a few times, I think that racism takes a second place, and I think the main motor is the lashing out of a narcissit against the child who dared to scape and not make him the center of her story. The press is having a field day with him, because they don’t care….
I wouldn’t say all the British Press. Sali Hughes at The Guardian has done an excellent article about toxic parents. It’s worth a read.
Have you got a link? I know Hadley Freeman did one recently, though before the last week’s developments.
Sorry it wasn’t published in the Guardian but at the Pool https://www.the-pool.com/news-views/opinion/2018/42/Meghan-Markle-estranged-family-Sali-Hughes. It was a while ago but she retweeted it this week and her tweets about it are very good. She also has a group on Facebook about family estrangement
Thanks!
Thanks, Lara – this is great. The rest of the British press continuing to give the White Markles space to air their business might want to read this – https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KN1PUEQ/ref=sspa_dk_detail_0?psc=1 – because whether they understand it or not, they’re also in a relationship with a crew of narcissists.
The Guardian is reputable, unlike the DM.
I’m not so sure that Meghan is so Machiavellian that she sent her friends to the press to force him to release the letter. But no doubt she’s done nothing wrong in this situation. Anyone with a brain can see the blame is all one-sided here.
Meghan is very smart.
I like that she wrote that letter, that can now be used to sue any tab in the UK that publishes it. Meghan has the copyright to it since that’s the law in the UK, and I’m sure Meghan knew this when she wrote it.
I think this too. Especially now that im seeing that theres talk of suing over its release without the consent of the owner, who is Meghan,
PS: I bet tommyboy (and his apologists in the britishsh!trag press) believe that since he letter was sent to him, HE owns the copyright. Or conversely, they didnt anticipate the issue of copyright ownership cropping up.
Gosh I would love that. Just sue and sue and sue
So if a letter is sent to me in Wales from someone in London they own the letter, not me the recipient? How could the letter not be mine, it has my name on it and its contents are meant for me? A letter from grandma to beloved grandchild will be owned by grandma forever?
Copyright of the content of the letter remains with the sender in UK law. (Also US as well). So if they didn’t get Meghan’s permission print the contents then she has a case.
Off to check Canadian law. I’ve honestly never heard of such a thing. I just assumed the recipient owned the letter and contents.
Nic919 is correct. This is the case in all common law jurisdictions (UK/US/Can/Aus/NZ) and I’m 99% sure in civil law jurisdictions as well.
Copyright is not the same as ownership. If someone sends you a letter then obviously you own the actual physical letter; the person can’t demand you send it back. But you don’t own the copyright and thus can’t publish the letter for commercial gain without permission.
No matter what Meghan does in the press she is also in the wrong she breathes oh my god she broke protocols. Her father and half sister are disgusting human being who are profiting off the abuse of a pregnant woman they have no credibility whatsoever but that hasn’t stop the press for continuing to use them it’s the press who has created this controversial. The British media has turn themselves into knots to try to find fault with Meghan only people who dislike Meghan will find fault in her letter . The only way for Thomas And Samantha to stop talking is for the British press to stop giving them attention but that won’t happen .
Seriously, they ripped Meghan to shreds for “breaking protocol” wearing that gorgeous black, one shoulder dress, and whaddaya know, there’s an article about Kate’s beautiful one shoulder gown form the Bafta’s and how SHE is “channeling Diana”, complete with a side by side of Diana wearing a ONE SLEEVED dress. SMH.
THEN, YESTERDAY, after Richard Kay’s article, there’s a piece about how Kate copied MEGHAN with the ONE SHOULDER dress and puts a pic of Meghan in that white Theia gown.
Meghan literally cannot win, in ANY scenario.
He’s not mentally ill, unless greed is considered a mental illness.
It comes down the current distinction between a mental illness such as a psychosis or a mood disorder, and a character disorder. He seems to fit into the latter category, which would include narcissism and sociopathy. Positioning him as “mentally ill” however is a way of drawing attention to the fact that his behavior is really sick in the sense that most people understand that. That something about him is “not right.” It undercuts his credibility and is probably a good move. But is it clinically precise and appropriate? Probably not.
There is a good chance Meghan would have had some professional advice about her dads mental health.
She is probably concerned about his immediate mental health right now because sometimes when people feel pushed to the edge, they harm themselves.
That is another consideration the british press appear to be failing to consider.
Daily mail was fully aware that thomas did not own the copyright or the right to publish meghans words.
I do not feel sorry for thomas. But if he were to harm himself, harry and meghan would have every right to blame the daily mail
Meghan is a very smart woman and now the Telegraph is reporting that Kensington Palace is considering legal action over the leaked letter. Well done!
Sometimes it takes a good strong letter on legal letterhead to make the creeps go away. Having it come from palace lawyers – so much the better. We’re going to have to see what is finally enough to make her father and half-sister crawl back under their rocks.
I’ve had the misfortune to be related to narcissists and sociopaths and indeed, having strong representation can make a big difference.
Evil Papa Smurf got played and he’s too stupid and greedy to see it. At some point the tabloids will bore of the drama and will turn on them. Much of this is being driven by Piers Morgan, who is butt hurt that Meghan cut him off when she started seeing Harry. Nothing more sad than an old man butt hurt at being snubbed by a beautiful young woman.
Morgan is obsessed with her. It is creepy.
The weird part of it is that PM has a wife…..I wonder what her take is on watching her husband obsess so openly about a younger woman.
It’s well known that Piers has a blonde mistress in NY. That guy is such a skeevy piece of trash.
Thomas Markle is benefiting from White male privilege which dictates that A) he is never responsible for his own actions & B) women & minorities must capitulate to him since their interests and concerns fall below his.
The British Royal reporters are all White and would rather tie themselves in knots finding a way to empathize with a White man than try to empathize with a person of color. The Royal Reporters are woefully incapable of presenting Meghan’s point of view. Perhaps a new crop of non-white royal reporters can emerge from this fiasco.
Giving a platform for estranged family members to disparage a public figure is a form of bullying especially when they know the target can’t respond.
There have been articles about how toxic Thomas and Samantha Markle are, and how Meghan is completely justified in cutting them off. I have read several articles on the subject in The Guardian. Those articles are not going to be in The Daily Mail or other scumbag right wing propaganda merchants. This is their stock in trade. By and large, people who are left of centre and even centre do not care about the royal family (that’s not to say we want to see them being abused). We have much bigger concerns with Brexit, and when they’re not tearing down women (including but not limited to Meghan) the DM has been fanning the flames of pro-Brexit rhetoric for years. The DM is massive, but it is a really toxic influence on British life, and those of us Brits who hate it try to ignore it and fight it in our reading habits and electoral choices.
Like I say, you can read some sense about Meghan at the Guardian. There have been multiple columns defending her – defending reason – but I get a sense that Guardian and other non right wing columnists resent being forced to write about it, because to dignify the DM’s bulls*** with a response is playing into their hands anyway. Stirring up people’s outrage is exactly what the DM wants. Don’t give in to them 💪
What happens when he dies? Does she go to the funeral or no? How will that play out?
She attends and be roasted over the coals by her satanic sister and British media(ie: Meghan the cold bitch refuses to attend her father’s funeral, her father’s dying wish to his daughter etc)
Or go and have to face Samantha who will do a Oscar winning performance as the grieving sister lashing out at the “evil, posh sister”
Either way Meghan will be stuck between a rock and a hard place. Let’s hope her father and sister’s 15 minutes of fame is over by then
She uses her security to get 15 minutes alone with the deceased and minister, and releases a statement saying she doesn’t want her presence to detract from the sanctity of the service.
Not go. Release a statement if she feels like it, then keep it moving.
This. And take a week ‘off’ of public engagements, like sitting shivah.
Yes, she doesn’t have to go to it. There is a saying, ‘Funerals are for the living, not the dead’.
Its interesting that even minors can legally divorce from their parents. The law thereafter recognizes their right NOT to have ANYTHING AT ALL to do with said parents, including NOT going to their funerals.
I’m sure an adult daughter of a toxic father whom she has cut from her life does NOT have to attend his funeral nor justify not going.
Yes, i know, the same nasty pieces of subhumans who are now criticizing her for distancing herself from this toxic abuser would have a field day with it, including #theotherdaughter.
I strongly believe Meghan and Prince Harry should issue a statement in which they formally end Meghan’s recognition of thomasmarkle as her father.
BTW, you guys should see this hashtag #TheOtherDaughter that some Meghan defenders have created. Its hilarious.
They will wanther to pay for an over the top funeral.
Thomas Markle is garbage, and I do wish the British press would stop enabling (and paying for) her father and sister’s narcissistic abuse of her.
As long as ANY articles (positive or negative/UK or otherwise) are being read and commented upon, the dirty laundry will continue to be aired, and publishers will continue to try to dig up more. At the end of the day, it’s all about where the money comes from.
I’ve been a royal watcher since I was in-utero (thanks Gramma) and Meghan Markle is simply the soup-du-jour for the press.
If you keep buying the soup you don’t enjoy, the restaurant is going to keep serving it.
just stop talking about it already
Toxic people never stop. They can go on forever.
The catalyst for the “sudden” reveal of the staged photos was when KP, at the direction of Harry and Meghan, sent a letter to the media chastising them for invading Thomas’ privacy. The media then decided to point out that it’s hard to invade the privacy of someone who is staging and selling photos of themselves to the highest bidder. Thomas was embarrassed that his grift had been called out and acted out and the whole thing very quickly spiraled into the glorious sh-tshow we know today. There is a lot you can blame the British media for but pretending they all just woke up one day a few weeks before the wedding and decided it was a fine time to ruin Meg’s life and reveal her dad’s side hustle is…not exactly how it happened.
Why did Harry write a letter to the media before they were even engaged?
They were attacking Meghan, with stories such as straight out of Compton.
Who is giving Meghan’s trifling family a platform to attack her the tabloid media.
And they started as soon as they discovered Harry was dating her, not a few weeks before the wedding.
The revisionist history of the British media part in all this is such Bs they went out there way to report anything they could about Meghan going so far as after the engagement announcement paying her ex best friend for a full page article about Meghan including pictures. If Harry and Meghan defending Thomas in the beginning is because Thomas lied to them it’s amazing how people somehow can still find a way to switch the blame on Meghan and Harry . Thomas is 74 years old grown man who has willing sold out his daughter at every turn and somehow people are still blaming Meghan .
I think when Meghan wrote that letter, it was to give Thomas one more chance, but she knew he would sell it eventually, it was his last chip to sell.
There is no going back on this relationship, she knows she can’t trust him, all he want from her is money, this is a man that lives above his means, the reason for four bankruptcies.
In a way it’s great that he published the letter, proving he is a lair, claiming she did not contact him since the wedding, she did and he replied.
Saying he never asked her for money, texted in October about money, saying its not for silence.
No answer for when she said she hardly know your other daughter and about her vicious lies, but can reply about Harry claiming he did not attack him.
I feel and think that Meghan has been dealing with this EXACT same thing her WHOLE life regarding her Father…and her putrid half-siblings….it’s just on a larger scale with the WHOLE WORLD WIDE PRESS and a BILLION racist folks jumping in for good measure….
Meghan is savvy and intelligent and has a good heart…in the end…those things will be the things that last and play out…she’ll have her wonderful life…do wonderful things…and folks will have to “DEAL…OR NO DEAL”!
i agree. And I also believe that her mom had been quietly pointing out to her, each time toxictom disappointed her, that she shouldnt put herself thru the heartache of trying to maintain a relationship with him.
THIS public shaming of Meghan by her putative ‘father’ is prolly what her mother was trying to save Meghan from experiencing even tho i doubt that even Doria knew how nasty toxictom could be and how Meghan would pay the price for it.
The only way to stop the DM from continuing to peddle this garbage is to stop reading or buying their rag and boycott the businesses that advertise on the DM. You have to kick them in the wallet. That is the only thing that helps. Taking the high road with moral outrage means nothing to them. They are happy to wallow in the mud. A big boycott of their advertisers. That would get some attention.
Thing is the nasty coverage of Meghan, her father, Kate, all the drama is going to eventually become a problem the queen or possibly Charles, must step in and fix.
The extended royal family head charities, they represent the queen, the working royals are funded by the public.
Having daddy thomas spew vomit all over the coverage of the work the extended royal family is doing is not going to be acceptable for much longer.
The queen is apparently tired of it, Meghans in laws wont be patient forever, and the british public will eventually get tired of this.
I personally think the daily mail is actively involved in trying to damage Meghan.
I think they are also trying to damage the wider royal family.
The queen has taken drastic action to prevent damage to the royal family
I like your take on things do you really think that if Meghan and Harry would have the queen step in earlier a lot of stuff could have been prevented regarding her family . To me I think if the queen would have step in the royals would have been accused of trying to use their influence to silence American citizens I don’t think that would have been a good look. I remember when their were stories about possible the queen stepping in to stop the hysterical with the Meghan relatives Samantha started to spew her this American and I can say do what I want .
I think you are probably right about BP probably making mistakes with their approach. Thomas is not just greedy, like most people the palace deal with.
But if meghan allowed them the chance to try to fix this for her, it would take the heat off her.
I’m sure the palace does not blame her for her dads actions. But it sounds like they are not happy with her choice to not accept palace help.
The drip of leaks to very credible sources started at the same time as the leak about the queen wanting to let her people step in
Palace help probably consists of paying him off, which is a mistake. They will never be able to give him enough. He will demand attention, money, placement within the family for special events…. It will never stop and he will never stop. Then the evil half-sister will get in on the act, then the alcoholic brother, the pot growing nephew, etc. It will never end for the RF.
@lady d, totally agree he probably would be an endless bucket of wants and needs that the palace would likely not be able to control.
But right now the leaks about the palace being frustrated by meghan not accepting the help have come from credible reporters.
Worst case scenario, the palace tries and fails. But they stop calling Meghan stubborn for refusing their assistance.
Her relationship with the queen and queens staff matters more to meghan right now than anything her dad is doing. His actions are surely causing him grief. But she will want to get along with her new family going forward
Rubbish. Meghan is helping herself, just as she has always done. HM is sympathetic, I’m sure, but she does not concern herself with such things.
The Today show went to Bad Dad about the letter and he said talk to Daily Fail. He just proved he and the tabloids colluded.
I think the long game is getting Bad Dad into criminal terrority.
By all accounts he was someone who kept it together enough to have a really good career in a very competitive industry. I think its very likely that he is suffering from some form of dementia. Dementia can at times show itself as paranoia. Those with dementia sometimes accuse their caregiver, the ones closest to them, of theft and abuse. I think Samantha has gotten to him and convinced him that Meghan owes him something and is pushing him. His latest salvo, using the letter as a defense, is so far off beam that I do think he has mental health problems. As such the Britush press is using someone who is clearly not in his tight mind, to attack another. Lowdown
Some of the US outlets have published details of his very disgusting past that dont seem to make it into the british media.
He might have some dementia now, but he has always been a truly gross and disgusting man.
Even just this September, he was shouting to the media about his ‘friend’ who is meghans age, and receiving death threats from her former boyfriend.
Daily mail is actively trying to take meghan down because they ignore his interviews and photo ops with the american press
I think that Thomas is obsession with his own image he not mentally unstable he knows exactly what’s his doing to his daughter. He obsession with being part of what he called in his first interview a historian moment he couldn’t face the royal family and his daughter after he was exposed with working with the press to profiled off of Meghan. Samantha is a deranged woman who is jealous of her half sister.
Thomas didn’t light up world professionally…he had a regular career as a technician in the entertainment industry…that’s it….
Why hasn’t Piers Morgan said anything?
it’s on its way. He sez on twitter that he’s working on an article about Meghan, Diana, and Clooney as we speak
sheesh its bad. Victim blaming galore. I only got as far as the letter is “all about her feelings. What about Dad’s feeling”. I stopped reading and I wanted to vomit. He brought up getting ghosted again, called it bizarre. I think he’s just trolling at this point. Piers Morgan is dead to me now. Dismissed.
I wish JK Rowling would shame Piers again on Twitter, she did it so masterfully last time when he was jealous of her. She knows how to ‘walk him like a dog’!
Well at least we know why Meghan didn’t have Harry spend a lot of time with her family before marrying. How could anyone side with TM? He’s a user and a loser who taught his children the art of grifting. Meghan’s mother taught her well and makes it obvious who’s influence was more important in her life. Checkmate to Dorothea.
I don’t often wish heart attacks on elderly people but…
His behavior is so odd it has to be mental illness.
His behavior is abusive.
Actually, this behaviour is very common in elderly white American males.
Like their fathers and grandfathers they reach an age where they believe that they have the right to sit back and have the world revolve around them, with everyone around them giving in to their demands. It’s a paterfamilias thing.
I have seen this change in older men so often over the years that I even gave it a name. I call it the ‘Great Man Syndrome’.
It’s the behaviour of an older, small town man who knows he was nothing special in his life, but nevertheless feels he is entitled to adulation.
That is what TM’s demand that he be allowed to give that ‘cute’ speech at Meghan and Harry’s wedding was all about. When Meghan denied him the opportunity to demonstrate to the entire world how suave, clever and charming he was, he turned on her in his fury.
Meghan appears to be concerned about her father current mental health. I read that mean she is worried he will feel cornered and possibly harm himself.
Obviously I am not feeling sorry for him. But imagine how she must feel. This is a PR disaster that is growing to proportions similar to the Windsor castle fire.
And she’s probably worried about hearing through the media he’s hurt himself.
I think the agenda at some of these outlets goes beyond harming meghan. I think the royal family is a target as well.
The media definitely played a part in Diana’s death. And they appear to have no shame in having a hand in the harm being done to meghan. And through his own actions, thomas
If he hurts himself it will only be for the attention. That kind of narcissistic personality wouldn’t kill himself or do actual damage
I don’t see Meghan as some ten steps ahead Machiavellian schemer here. Call me naive but I believe she really wanted to reach out to her father when she wrote the letter. I doubt she’s particularly happy about this betrayal, and I believe that she is worried about him.
I cannot imagine in a million years that this is how she envisioned her first royal year unfolding. All other indications were that she was onboard, wanting to work hard and really contribute. I just can’t see her plotting and planning from inside the royal family to bring down her father.
Yes, the media should quit giving him a platform. That will happen when they quit making money off of him. I also don’t believe that there are skulking “courtiers” in the “royal court” who are engineering this. Ultimately, Markle is the one responsible for this mess. Father of the Year.
I think it’s a bit of both. I think she really did want to reach out, but she also knew the reality and that it’s very likely he would just leak the letter and not agree to her terms, so she took precautions in light of that. You can be hopeful and also be realistic, which is what I think she was trying to be with this letter.
Maybe I’m not seeing all of the news because I’m not in Britain, but I don’t understand why Meghan took any action, because it appeared to me that her silence was working. Anything her father and sister said at this point was a small blip, and appeared to be happening less and less since they have no access or new information. The silence was working – so why stoke the fire? I mean, they are terrible people and deserve every bit of comeuppance they can get, but it just seems like it’s created a new stream of income for them rather than shut them down.
Leaks started appearing from inside in December to credible reporters. One of the leaks was that the queen had instructed her staff to take proactive action and make the dad problem go away.
She needs to be onside with the queen. Hopefully if she hasn’t accepted the help already, she will now
I don’t think Thomas and Samantha are completely different legends to what the royals were used to dealing most people want money . But thomas And Samantha want money fame and to destroy the object of their fixation obsession Meghan Thomas doesn’t want a seat at the table he see himself as equal to queen his just as important. Thomas can’t fathom that what he doing is wrong he see the royals welcoming his daughter and his ex wife with open arms and his throwing tantrums because his being left out . I don’t believe he truly wants a relationship with Meghan or his future grandchild he want to be seen as important figure in history everything that comes out his mouth I did this I did that she Owes me that’s not the actions of a loving parent you don’t provide for your kids . Just to turn later in life and say well remember when I brought a pair of sneakers as kid I’m coming to collect what is own to me .
He’s a problem, but he also is her father and she has had a relationship with him all her life. I can understand why she would not want her in-laws to interfere by methods that would seem heavy-handed to an American especially.
He really does seem like he is going off the rails now, and Meghan probably has no good idea about how to deal with that. She doesn’t seem to want to completely break with him but may have some hope that he will return to some degree of normality. He wasn’t always that awful to her. She has some good memories of time spent with him in her childhood. Samantha’s influence is probably making the serious difference. It’s an awful situation.
Hershey, you keep pushing the “ZOMG Meghan DISOBEYED THE QUEEN zomg SCANDAL!!!” nonsense all over this board. You’ve made the exact same comment at least half a dozen times, and it’s very weird.
First, there’s zero evidence that MM has disobeyed the Queen or rejected the Queen or that the Queen is anything other than sympathetic.
Second, MM having a toxic dad shooting his mouth off is really not that scandalous, certainly nothing compared to the Charles/Diana/Camilla years, the tampon scandal, toesucking scandal, the annus horriblis, the aftermath of Diana’s death, the extremely dodgy rumours about Andrew, Kate’s uncle being a junkie involved in pimping women who was arrested for beating his wife, Pippa’s rapist father in law, Pippa’s gun scandal, etc. etc. etc.
Yes, right now Thomas Markle is getting a lot of attention. But none of it reflects badly on Meghan and even her dad’s behaviour pales into comparison with paedophilia and rape and abuse and the other scandals associated with the Royal Family and the Middleton family.
Because the Markles were going to come out of the woodwork again when their baby arrives. I think the shift in strategy with the Markles and media is 100% due to shifting priorities when becoming a parent. Whether it’ll be successful or not remains to be seen but I think that it can’t get any worse and he old way wasn’t cutting it.
Exactly. H&M do not want TM using their newborn to sensationalize his lie that Meghan ghosted him and she’s preventing him from meeting his royal grand baby. The British media continues to give TM a platform with absolutely no accountability and now we have a valid reason for why TM will never meet his royal grand child. He’s a liar and a risk due to his actions that shows he cannot be trusted to protect the child’s privacy. TM no longer owns the sole public narrative the British media has been pushing to vilify Meghan since they started conspiring with him. On the most basic level a parent protecting a defenseless child from a threat resonates greater than any sob story TM and spiteful British media will try to sell the public.
There was a time a long time ago when this matter could be easily handled. The problem would go way if he were simply banished to the wilderness, sentenced to an institution for the mentally infirmed or locked up in the tower and tortured.
Sigh. How I long for the good old days
😂😂😂
I’m ashamed at how much I cackled at this
I bet Harry is particularly livid about the DMs and other gossip rags/reporters treatment of Meghan. Harry lost a couple of girlfriends because they didn’t want to sign up for royal life — i.e. all the rules and now, I’m guessing the tabloid intrusions. The fact that he FINALLY found someone who loved him, loved the philanthropic life he wants to pursue, loved dogs, kids–the whole deal — AND she was willing to marry him? Man, that is why we saw Harry literally floating on air the whole time of his engagement and wedding. And then to have the tabloids relentlessly tear your wife down and not relent when she’s pregnant? He must be beside himself with rage sometimes. You notice that “sizzle” he was projecting before the wedding and especially after the polo game, and during their tour of Australia is GONE. Back is the polite and pleasant Harry, “dutiful” Harry that does his charity work, but that SIZZLE that we all loved last year? GONE. So thanks DM and others for extinguishing that fire–well done you!
Yes Harry must be incensed that Meghans own father has created this dreadful situation for his daughter y colluding with the press and has ruined what should’ve been th happiest time of their lives, just married and having a baby. Its really sad.
Its not a mental illness. Thomas just does not care for Meghan. I absolutely believe he is fully aware and of what he is doing and simply doesn’t care how it affects Meghan or Harry. This is all about him and how it makes him look to the public.
See ‘doesn’t care’ to me implies passive behavior such as being unbothered or ignoring. What her father is doing goes well beyond that. It it downright hatred and focused intent on destroying her life and livelihood. It is mean and unkind and he is actively seeking ways to gain financially from this. He is colluding with his daughter in this matter and feeding the trolls in the process.
Were this to happen to ordinary citizens could you issue some cease and desist warning? How is this harassment permissible under the law.
@RoyalBlue, ordinary citizens don’t have the same sorts of avenues that Thomas Markle has been provided with in order to continue his harassment. For the rest of us, unfriending folks in FB and blocking their number and moving away from the area and never speaking to them or their enablers again is sufficient.
But Meghan can’t do that. She can’t shut out the press, she needs them. And the press won’t shut out Thomas Markle. So therein lies the problem.
I see. I didn’t think about it that way. She can’t demand they stop printing stuff about her when they harass her because she needs them to publicize the patronage work too. It’s so messy
The Queen don’t have enough money to make Thomas go away, he likes the attention.
Sadly the only thing Meghan can do is publicly cut ties with Thomas, he had it coming for a long time.
What can Buckingham Palace do to handle Thomas?
As scandals go, stop making this out to be the the greatest scandal in the Royal Family, it’s nothing compares to their history, in nazism, adultery, pedophilia, Philip almost killing three people and the list goes one.
The Markles are plain and simple grifters, who will sell they young for money.
Meghan is not responsible for their actions, they have been trying to dig up dirt on her for two years now.
What have they came up with, when she moves on she don’t look back, a social climber, a hard worker, can stand up for herself, so what is so scandalous?
It sounds like the palace think they can handle him like they have handled other problems.
I agree with you, I think they will be unsuccessful.
But right now the queens people are leaking that the queen is frustrated with meghans choice to not accept palace help.
Meghan has nothing to lose by accepting the help. If the palace fails, she would not be to blame. I doubt they blame her for her dads actions. But it sounds like they are blaming her for not letting the palace try to shut her dad up.
@Hershey, you’ve made the same version of this comment multiple times in this thread, and as many others have already pointed out, even if the palace’s plan fails, there is no guarantee that the palace would shoulder the blame.
Meghan has plenty to lose by accepting the help. The people in the palace who are tasked with helping her are not on her side. We know this given the leaks from KP, Clarence House, and now Buckingham Palace. The press would definitely not hesitate for a moment to put this on Meghan’s head.
It could also be that Meghan did hear their plans, and realized that it would backfire or potentially make things worse. They could have potentially made him more incensed, which would have given him more ammunition. So far, his only issues are with Meghan. Bringing the palace into it would put the bullseye on the extended family at large, including the Queen. Widening the net like that would put an even bigger shadow over the good press the Queen wants for the family.
It’s also naive to think that the people in the palace don’t blame her for her father’s actions. They absolutely do, on some level, even though it’ll never be voiced as such. But there is definitely this sentiment of, “If Harry hadn’t married someone with such trashy relatives, then we wouldn’t have to deal with all of this right now.” She is definitely being tarred with Thomas Markle’s brush to some extent.
Meghan has known TM all her life. If there was a way to stop him spewing his toxic garbage in public, she would have employed it already. Even if she were to give him all the money, attention, and photo ops he wants, he would find a way to move the goalpost with the help of his “other daughter” to continue to vilify Meghan. His interpretation of the letter is all I need to be able to tell that he cannot be reasoned with.
I believe Meghan is doing the best she can in very difficult circumstances. As an aside, I love how she referenced Samantha in the letter to Thomas. I’m sure being called “your other daughter” rather than “my sister” must have been a sick burn to Samantha.
Or the tabloids are just making stuff up as per usual.
Hershey you obviously have an agenda to try to make MM look bad, it’s so transparent.
It’s not the largest scandal and it probably won’t be. But it’s becoming larger, and it’s something that shows no signs of simply going away on own.
I predicted last summer this would still be blazing when they have their first child and here we are.
Philip was probably quite grateful for it last couple of weeks. But the queen can and will intervene with her family members when they are creating too much negative press.
Meghan needs to be seen as cooperative, not stubborn with the palace. She might be right about BP plan not working, but just going along with the palace would be better for her.
Queen clipped Diana’s access to all sorts of things she needed to perform public engagements. Diana was hugely popular, much more so than the than royal family.
Being onside with the queen matters hugely to meghan. Or it should. She used to be a wholly independent adult American citizen.
I don’t think the Queen can control Thomas but she does have some power over the UK media who are relentlessly giving him attention. She managed to shut down the Andy and Epstein story and could probably do so here too. It’s undemocratic for her to interfere, but she could easily make a comment that shames the tabloids for participating in this mess. Thomas can’t do anything if the press don’t print his story. It’s not social media trolls giving him a megaphone.
It would be fair for Buckingham Palace to make a request with the media to consider the safety and possible consequences to individuals that might be caused by their reporting.
The markle story has surely increased the dangers to meghan markle if the comments on daily mail are anything to go by.
Meghan has concerns about her father’s mental health. If he harms himself, daily mail will be partly responsible.
The palace itself enflamed the Kate versus meghan thing with leaks from the inside. If there are rivalries going on between those at Kensington palace, the queen should shut that down.
The hate coming from some of the women fighting about who is better is scary? How awful if anyone is harmed because of rivalry between royal couples?
I think a complaint with the press commission is a place to start for the queen at this point. Diana died with reporters behind her. Changes were made.
I think the media need to be reminded of the consequences that can come from their reporting and the practice of unmoderated comments.
The Queen has protected Andy more than once, so I wish she would step in here. She not only protected him about: 1) Epstein; 2) his Kazakhstan friends that purchased his house, invited him to their country for several personal trips; and 3) Fergie selling access to him, which seemed like a matter of course, not simply the one-time-sting she was caught up in. Oh, and what about that French chalet the two of them bought for $13 million?!
At this point, it’s doubtful that even the Queen can control Thomas Markle. And if she were to step in personally with this, I’m willing to bet that something or the other would set him off and he’d start slagging HER off next.
No, the only way to deal with this is to stop giving Thomas Markle a platform. The press should stop speaking to him, should stop printing anything about him or Meghan’s extended family. The only coverage for the next little while should be about Meghan’s work as Duchess and that’s IT. The only thing that will make Thomas Markle stop is if the press stops, which is what a responsible press should do.
He is the worst but guys I don’t think Meghan hate is all because she’s a POC! Like.. each and every single Harry and William’s girlfriend was grilled. Waity Katy, workshy wallflower (deserved or not) for years, Diana, Fergie, all of them.
Like this though? Yes, they got grilled, but not to this degree.
Uh, they’re relentlessly persecuting a pregnant woman to the point where she and her baby’s health could be at risk. Not even Kate during her three pregnancies was exposed to this.
I’m sure the British press and the likes of Piers Morgan didn’t have Harry’s exes estranged family members on speed dial for their next hit piece. What’s happening to Meghan goes beyond standard tabloid gossip and grilling, it’s a full on abusive attack. It’s happening because Meghan, a biracial American of African American descent, dares to exist in a space that some believe she’s undeserving to be in. Some people are quick to easily excuse the British press irresponsible reporting and TM for his actions because they believe Meghan deserves it and they want her to be miserable.
The Queen can very well do something about this. Much like the planned tv interview with the markles was ‘cancelled’ during the Royal wedding.
I think the end game is criminal prosecution for Dad. He made the threat to release the other excerpts of the letter. He and Sam are banking on a call from KP or BP for a meet. In the meet Bad Dad makes demands for money and access or he’ll keep squawking. The agreement made and it’s on tape…by Scotland Yard. Dad arrested for extortion and harassment. A toxic Markle prosecuted is money. The Fail is willing to use Bad Dad; it knew Sr was breaking the law.
When the Queen stop leaks coming out of the Palaces, I will believe it
Meghan said nothing from the time she got engaged and up to now. It did not stop her horrible family from braying for $$$. Isn’t that not the way the Palace deals with things never complain never explain, where did Meghan go wrong?
This is classism and racism from the British press, they also do it to black football palayers.
If the Queen wanted to do something, months ago she could’ve gone over Meghan’s head, and put her position out there, instead of this bullshit, Harry and Meghan deal with the markles.
Not to worry, Hamburgers and fried children will be Thomas undoing
Any yogis here?
I used to practise yoga during my early 20s…even went to classes to learn proper techniques and generally tried to embrace it as a lifestyle habit. Anyhooo i wasnt a diligent student so these days i wouldnt normally ever say i used to practise yoga.
But i wanted to know from anyone here who is as steeped in it as Meghan seems to be…..just how valuable do you think her being a yogi has been, to get her thru this stress-filled 2 years?
I mean, from picking up her life – lock stock and barrel – and migrating to a whole other country and way of life; having to shed so many parts of her usual way of being in order to conform to the prerequisites for being a royal; giving up her career; planning a wedding; becoming pregnant; and dealing with her toxic father and hanger-on relatives ALL AT THE SAME TIME (rmbr, with the reveal of the letter, we now know for a fact that she wasnt ignoring the noise wrought by the nastymarkles; she was trying to handle it while juggling all the other things i mentioned.)
So I ask: just how valuable has yoga been for her, with all the things she’s been handling? I find it difficult even trying to meditate these days……..i cant seem to let go of all the million and one things going thru my mind
I read this on google just now:
“Yoga can help reduce stress because it promotes relaxation, which is the natural opposite of stress. Yoga can benefit three aspects of ourselves that are often affected by stress: our body, mind, and breathing. … Practicing yoga builds your ability to calm, focus, balance, and relax yourself.”
I sincerely hope for her sake, for the sake of BabySussex and Prince Harry that she is an excellent yogi.
Peg, LOL at fried children. Autocorrect really makes me laugh sometimes.
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The whole “never explain, never complain” stuff is not true. As a monarch, the Queen can’t be SEEN doing that outright, but that doesn’t mean she doesn’t have her ways of speaking to the press and getting her story out there. And one of those ways is sanctioning her friends to speak on her behalf to royal reporters, which is exactly what Meghan did. It was a bit heavy handed, sure, but she played by the rules for royal engagement and I don’t think it’s fair to fault her for it.
What struck me was that little line: “whom he has yet to meet” re: Markle. Didn’t Markle claim that he met Harry and that he told him his political views, etc?
On the phone only.
No, he said they spoke on the phone, it was lying Samantha that said in an interview in England, that Thomas and Harry met in secret, and she was not a liberty to says where.
They’re both liars, now Thomas is saying Harry should’ve come to him and ask for her hand in person, the woman was 36 and already married.
I get this feeling that the royals are putting a plan in action to deal with the media covering them. I agree Meghan/Harry/the royal family made a great chess move with this letter. They are preparing to do some mild corrections in regards to the media. They have picked and slandered the royal family every since there was one. Nobody is perfect everyone is human including the royals. Getting legal is getting real with this nonsense. Hope Thomas/Sammy got some legal advice because they have awaken the sleeping giant.
People who keep saying that Meghan should simply cut off her dad and sister–that is what she’s done though. She hasn’t spoken to her dad since he bailed on the wedding, she hasn’t spoken to her sister at length ever. They aren’t close. She has been giving them the silent treatment, until the People mag article when her friends defended her.
The problem is that the silent treatment hasn’t worked. It hasn’t worked because her father and sister are aided and abetted by the media. The British gutter press is giving Thomas a platform, which is why he keeps harping on and on and won’t shut up. It’s much easier to cut off disgusting family members when you’re not a celebrity because they don’t have the media to run to constantly in order to implore you to subject yourself to their whims. I highly doubt that anything the palace could do would work either. People like Thomas and Samantha aren’t the sort who are looking to be placated. For them, the thrill comes from the fact that they have a platform through which the can broadcast their indignant rightousness. Meghan could do everything they want and they will still insist that she’s fcking it all up, because that is what gives them joy.
The only way this will end is if the press start holding Thomas and Samantha accountable, or better yet, stop talking to them entirely. The fact that no one is even trying to challenge her father’s lies is appalling. The press don’t give a sh!t either. They’ll keep printing the drivel until the tide turns against them, at which point they’ll start up with the glowing reviews of Meghan like they’ve never doubted her or hated her at all.
This is interesting…
The problem isn’t Meghan Markle. It’s the British monarchy (opinion)
https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/12/opinions/meghan-markle-british-royal-family-mystique-maltby/index.html
Didn’t we think at one point and time that The Duchess of Sussex should send daddy a letter. If he released it, BOOM, question answered. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure this out
The British media is basically just gaslighting the public at this point. 😠
As awful as all of this is, please, please, please stop thinking that the Daily Mail, Mail on Sunday, The Sun and Mirror are our ONLY press in the UK. These are the trashiest of trashy tabloid publications. The Daily Mail, DM and Mail on Sunday are well known RIGHT WING press. Of course they are going to trash her. But we do have better quality papers out there.
I know you have the Guardian, the Telegraph, the Times. The Fail and others of its ilk are giving British media a black eye.
Portraying herself as the caring daughter.
I don’t know MM, but I have a lot of thoughts. I attended Northwestern when she did, so obviously the Daily Mail’s attempts to convey her as “trashy” do not sit well with me. Northwestern is a rigorous school. I keep imagining these racist commenters mouthing off as students on campus, and I keep thinking “god… that would be illegal! Literally illegal!!”
As a theater kid I didn’t know her. There was a big group text where we all tried to remember her, and only one person even remembered her. She said Meghan was nice! Look, I buy it. That’s how that type of person is, you know? There is a type of person who is ambitious but excruciatingly private, who never fraternizes. You know, kids on scholarship. (Compare to Mamie, who was cast in effing *everything*, not because she was talented, but because grown-ass directors hoped her mom would come to their shows. Meryl Streep is a great mom; she *always* came to her daughter’s stupid shows.)
My honest guess is, it was Harry who put the story into People. I really think so, and I’ve thought so ever since I first read the article. He’s said, more than once, he wants people to lay off his wife. *I* think he solicited the quotes from Meghan’s friends himself. I think Harry knew about that private letter and went from there. Neither of them is shrewd. I think they’re both traumatized children. I think Harry DOES remember what happened to his mother, and that is why I believe he would use ANY resource at his disposal to guard his wife.
I read a blind item, once, claiming Meghan wants to just do away with royal life and move to Canada. That struck me as… realistic. Everyone assumes that she married just to enjoy the royal life, but I suspect she genuinely married for love. I suspect Harry, who loves his grandmother, wants to show his wife that the “water’s fine,” when it’s NOT fine. I don’t think she ever wanted to be a public figure. I think she wanted the boy and the anonymity. I think every moment of all of this is, for her, a complete tragedy. Again: She avoided being known even in college. She could’ve been beloved, but she kept her head down instead. I don’t know her, but I hate this.
I don’t know about anyone else, but I so wish Mr. Markle, his son Jr. and his daughter would get off of pinterest and find some other way to trash Meghan, and that’s all they are doing, trashing her…..hate it