This Sunday, the penultimate episode of the Game of Thrones saga will air. We’ve gleaned some information from cast members’ interviews that this episode – 8.5 – is HUGE in scope and story. This is basically the final battle, I guess, the battle for Kings Landing, the battle for Westeros, the battle for the Iron Throne, the battle for the future of the Seven Kingdoms. And, again, it’s not that I don’t care. It’s just that… I wish we had more development building up into this epic final encounter. Has Cersei done anything this season besides bang Euron and f–king smirk? Why is Dany suddenly THE MAD QUEEN? Why didn’t Ghost get a hug for being a good boy? Why why why why why.
Anyway, HBO released some teaser images from Episode 8.5. Guess what Cersei is doing? Looking smarmy and smirky. She’s so gross. People who are like “YAS KWEEN” to Cersei are absolute psychos. She’s always been a dreadful, small-minded a–hole. I don’t care if Arya kills her, or Tyrion, or Jaime or Jon or Davos or Grey Worm. But somebody better do it in this episode.
Dudeface Von Chin, leader of the rented soldiers. I hope he dies in a blaze of dragonfire.
This photos of “Tyrion looking concerned” is a reminder of how much I hate what they’ve done to the Tyrion character this season and last season. Tyrion went from genuinely clever, ribald, difficult and complex to a giant dummy who keeps getting outmaneuvered by his stupid awful sister.
Mother of Dragons needs a BIG nap.
Euron Greyjoy looking… startled. Dude, you know she still has one dragon, what’s so startling?
Varys is totally cozying up to Jon Snow, right? Varys is gonna be like “so your sis spilled the tea, do you need a HAND or something??”
Grey Worm’s look here is a BIG mood. Annoyed, subtly angry, and just not looking at these white folks the same way now that his beloved Missandei isn’t there.
Jon Snow and Ser Davos. I think it’s kind of cool that Davos is just ride-or-die for Jon now. Personally, I kind of think Daenerys would benefit from Davos’ everyman wisdom, but whatever.
The final battle is perhaps The Great Staring Contest.
Photos courtesy of HBO/Game of Thrones.
Isn’t Kings Landing surrounded by water on 3 sides and mountain/forest on the other? Where did this flat desert come from?
They really dont give a crap anymore about anything.
Exactly, it is like they are doing this thing at 4.30pm on a Friday and finishing time is 5pm so eh, close enough. They already have their coats on and are inching towards the door to go home.
LOL totally. This season is SO BAD. Last season was bad, but this season is just….DGAF GoT. read this-it had me laughing and is dead on.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/2019/05/07/things-that-are-really-bothering-us-game-thrones-right-now/?utm_term=.9a1b3b38461d
Euron as a eurotrash pirate.
“Euron as a eurotrash pirate.” hahaha, he’s more like a bad Jack Sparrow wannabe – actually maybe he’s the sober version.
The actor who plays Euron was a lead in one of those Scandinavian “depressed police procedurals/downbeat murder mystery” series, and he was pretty good (played a journalist or cop or something who was dealing with horrible childhood sexual abuse by his disgusting father). He wasn’t Eurotrash in that (actually sad and possibly a murderer, I don’t remember clearly), but yes, his Euron certainly is (heh). Good call.
Theories abound. Supposedly the tide has receded significantly because it is now winter. Or perhaps Cersei ordered a clearing of the land surrounding the city in anticipation of a sneak attack.
Yeah. The laziness this season is mind boggling. D&D have had two years and over $100 million dollars for the final season and this is what we get? It’s obvious, they are checked out and more interested in ending the story than telling or finishing the story. Now I understand why GRRM said it would take 10 years to tell the story on the small screen, why he said he found some of the changes traumatic, and why some of the actors have been dropping hints that this season was garbage (Kit and Emilia).
As one Youtuber put it, the show has officially skewered the dragon, aka jumped the shark.
the directors literally said they couldnt let Jon say goodbye to his direwolf because the direwolf is GCI.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH
dude you have 100MM dollars and flying DRAGONS and a dead reanimated giant and huge battle scenes, but hugging a CGI wolf is ‘too much work?” GTFO.
Yeap, the show officially jumped the shark Season 8, Episode 3, let’s wrap up the entire NK’s plot with one stab and retcon an explanation from a previous episode. Efficiency is here-TV writer style. We need to have Arya and Jaime in Kings Landing for a surprise, let’s make a lame explanation with Jaime being a jerk to Brienne and Arya saying in one breathe “hey Starks, let’s stick together” then peacing out saying she’s never coming back to Winterfell.
We need to turn Dany into a mad Queen, instead of taking the time to come up with good story development, let’s make her look like an unreasonable jealous ‘itch and get her super mad by chaining up and cutting the head off her only female friend/confidant!
And Jon? Ain’t no body got time for that whole prophecy that explains the reason for his birth, the Lord of light resurrecting him or making him look like he has any brains or fighting skills. He’s just the son of an inbred Dad, Targaryens-dumb or crazy am I right!!!
Arya and Faceless men, it’s complicated. Bran’s omnipotent powers-eh, see Martin’s books.
So does episode 4: the last of the Starks mean..there are no more Starks? Sansa is a Lannister-Bolton, Jon is a Targaryen, Arya is no-one, and Bran is the one-eyed Raven???
What is D&D?
@Anna Nuttall:
D&D is how people usually refer to Game of Thrones showrunners David Benioff and D.B. (Daniel Brett) Weiss.
@bros, it’s such bs. They’re either super defensive (battle of Winterfell too dark), arrogantly flippant (coffee cup), or meh (cgi direwolves are tOo HaRd, gUyS!) The utter disregard for the fans is noted.
I’ve honestly checked out. This season sucks and if the episode summaries I saw for the last 2 episodes are true..there are going to be a lot of MAD fans…
Me too. If I didn’t have so much time invested in this show I wouldn’t even bother watching anymore. Be glad when it’s over
Yeah I would tell people to be careful because there are spoilers out there from sources who have been right in the past. If you don’t want to know, be cautious.
Although having read them? Oh man, if true I think most people are going to haaaaaaaaate this. 😒
Agreed. I HATE what I’ve read.
DO tell. where are these found?
You can find a description of the leaks on reddit. They are bad.
Yep, from what I read, if true, it’s gonna be bad. In a way I’m glad I read the spoilers so I’m prepared for how bad it is. People are gonna be upset, the writers totally checked out and ruined what should have been a great last season. I’m not a Star Wars fan but man, I feel they are going to ruin that too, I can’t believe Disney chose them after all the backlash they have received the last few years.
I was really hoping the spoilers that came out last week for episode 4 were wrong but they were dead on and now I’m really worried for the ending of the show. People will be very upset, I know I was after reading them.
Careful clicking out there if you don’t want to know, folks!
There are new Spanish leaks that everyone is losing their mind over, but I think they’re honestly worse than the first leaks. I’ll be much more upset if they happen. Yuck.
@bros- the sub freefolks on reddit has a rundown of all the spoilers pinned on their page and are adding any new leaks that come out
I was really pissed off at a spoiler someone posted in a comment last week, some people don’t want leaked future spoilers and I didn’t expect that on this site. Y’all please don’t post them here! I know you didn’t post anything this is just for anyone who might join in your discussion today 😉
Part of me hope Cersi gets the throne to see the meltdown lol….or no one. My evil side loves fan meltdowns. Like the show regardless.
I mean, it would be appropriate for our times: Cersei, despite being an evil witch, unsuited for governing, power hungry, spoilt, illegitimate, abusive, sadistic, and she still wins the throne because Russian trolls come to her aide?
wait, have I seen this before?
This! I am just reading recaps and content like these posts and I’m good. I’ll just pretend it ended around the battle of the bastards and make up my own ending! 😂
Is anyone else expecting Euron Greyjoy to break into a hysterical dance singing “When I see an elephant fly?” from the original Dumbo?! I don’t know how but something’s up with those damn elephants
Danish F*ckboi!Pacey (I know his name, it’s just funny to call him that) needs to bite it ASAP. Gruesomely, if possible. Also, are we finally getting Cleganebowl or nah???
I’m loving the nicknames.
Dudeface Von Chin has a gorgeous freaking horse btw.
I’ve been waiting for Cleganebowl for so long that I’m almost over it.
Dudeface looks a bit like someone tried to draw Matt Smith from memory.
broodytrudy – F*&^*ing perfect description. You win my internet for the week!
I’m not watching the final two episodes. Maybe I will at some point but I was so disgusted with episode 4 that I honestly dont care to watch what happens. They’ve ruined the show and the writing is subpar. GOT has essentially jumped the shark. The only truly awesome thing that’s happened so far is Arya killing the Night King. Everything else has been awful. Im especially angry at how they’ve chosen to write Dany this season. It reeks of misogyny.
I’m not sure if I am going to watch them. They are just not enjoyable.
My thoughts as well.
I read an interesting article in Vanity Fair last night. They talked about the similarities between Game of Thrones and Lord of the Rings and therefore, how it might end. I can say I wouldn’t be mad if their take is correct. I’m nervous. I told my coworker that if Cersei lives, I’m going to have to destroy something in anger.
GRRM has said he’s a massive fan of LOTR and has been influenced by it. Lots of theories say the ending will be similar but at this point, who knows!
he’s a fan but at the same time he’s not a fan because he wants to subvert all the straight forward heroic tropes. I think he likes the Burning of the Shire though and may want a similar bittersweet ending like that. HOWEVER, all of that is moot because the writers of the show abandoned all of GRRM’s themes in favor of shocking twists and “popular” characters a long time ago.
What @Susan said. GOT is written in response to the idealism of Tolkien’s LOTR. GRRM doesn’t believe in hero’s, in pure good vs. pure bad. Or that everything goes back to normal after a war is won with the hero being a perfect ruler treating all populations equally well. Or Happily ever after.
Even the Whitewalkers although viewed by Westeros as bad, in his mind they are just different with their own language and their own civilization and their own children. To kill them all is to commit genocide. Is it just to kill them anyway? He uses the example of the Romans and their ignorance of the Scottish/ other civilizations beyond where they marked as the end of the world e.g. the Wall.
Same for Hunger Games as well. People need to realize many of these books are based on the PTSD of war and its aftermath. They end end them with going off to live a simple life or in a depression. In the end it is about how war has f’ed them up, their homes, changed their lives and no matter who wins/loses….there is no good ending.
I’ve said for a while now that GRRM’s preferred ending will be similar to the Hunger Games in terms of the Starks at least (surviving but damaged). The problem is that in the show it will feel so unearned because instead of damaged individuals, the show has built up the Starks as bad ass heroes who haven’t even had a single discussion about their past traumas. So when it happens in the show, it’s going to disappoint the folks who wanted a badass ending while also not feeling earned for those who understand the need for a bittersweet ending.
Remember, back in season 5, when Drogon disappeared? What if dragons are kind of like seahorses? What if our dear Drogon went off to lay some eggs and make a new batch of dragon babies? What if Dany is going to be a gramma?
That could explain the look on Euron’s face! And I would love it!
That’s what I was coming to post! Someone on reddit I think came up with that theory. That we’re gonna see more dragons. That would actually be interesting so I’ve got my fingers crossed
In the written story, Euron supposedly has a dragon egg, or had a dragon egg, as he says he threw it into the sea. He also has a horn that supposedly gives the user the power to control dragons (but is also fatal to the user so he makes other people blow it). I wouldn’t mind seeing Cersei lit up by multiple dragons, but would definitely be asking “What, how, why now??”
Guess Dany wins if that happens?
In the books Euron also has a horn that controls dragons. Kind of glad we haven’t seen that.
Oops! Sorry didn’t see this was posted above.
I hope this happens! More dragons please. Maybe that’s why they had to leave Ghost with Tormund to have more budget on dragons?
I read that too.
In the opening credits you can see a big dragon (Drogon) with three smaller dragons to its left. They look like its babies.
And in the books, dragons are said to be androgynous. Male or female, they lay eggs.
That is honestly the only thing I can think of that would make Euron look as shook as he is now. He’s seen her charging towards him on her dragon, so that can’t be it. But seeing a big dragon plus three smaller, albeit dangerous ones, flanking it? That’s make me worried too.
It took years for her babies to become large enough to cause true damage. I don’t think Euron would be intimidated by three little peanuts. Although this season is so bad they’re probably big enough to block the sun.
Drogon disappeared in season 4, so babies (if) have had 4 years to mature. How big was Drogon at 4, and could he be ridden?
Every year people come up with these grandiose theories to explain why something dumb in the show can’t be true and every time, it is really just straightforward and dumb. The writers killed off the dragons because they desperately wanted their battle with Cersei to have some suspense. That’s it. I don’t expect new baby dragons to be flying into Dany’s rescue. Dany is going to slap some armour on Drogon (lolololol), fly in on some crazy maneuvers that we are all going to scream “why couldn’t she do that last week”, and that’s going to be the end of Euron and the fleet. That’s it. We are going to be told to suspend our disbelief again.
Susan, I bet you are exactly right. That’s exactly what I see them doing. Unfortunately the fans put deeper thoughts into this show than D & D have at this point.
Diane, you’re so right! That’s the exact problem – the fans care more than D&D. It’s all soooo sad. We waited two years for this crap on a cracker? Wow. Nope. I’ll hate watch the final two episodes. I feel strongly that they completely ruined what could’ve been…was heading toward… a TV masterpiece.
Haha good point. I love the fan theories but given D&D’s history of poor writing after they stopped relying on the books, I’m not expecting anything half as good as these theories presented. They don’t care about GOT and their arrogance is beyond disgusting. The same can be said about their ‘genius’ cinematographer who told viewers to adjust their screens when there were many complaints about episode 3 with NK.
@ the heat
It wouldn’t surprise me. I’m guessing the next episode is going to be a festival of deus ex machinas.
Alternatively, Drogo’ll be wearing a dragon-glass dress (aka armour), designed by esteemed specialist, Lord Gendry Baratheon. That’ll be far easier to explain than a flock (?) of dragons suddenly appearing out of thin air (literally).
I read that too. Personally I think that will be really dumb if that happens with no foreshadowing at all… I mean didn’t she have to train those dragons to dragon? (Not sure if that’s the right verb, but I like it so it stays)… I won’t be surprised because it’s all really dumb now.
I saw that theory about the dragon babies. I would *LOVE* that. i don’t think it will happen because I honestly can’t see D&D doing anything that would be such a welcome twist/surprise.
BUT…sure, it would totally explain Euron’s face if several dragons showed up out of nowhere.
Also, I am now going to be disappointed if that does not happen. But the way it is looking…I will be disappointed anyway…so?
I’m mad at what they’re doing to Danny. I just don’t get why she would be mad – don’t see any of it but kk… I won’t read the books cause I’m not really interested in this storytelling but I hope they don’t turn a strong female lead into a pms drama queen.
I agree with you, I just can’t understand why they are making Dany so insecure, Tyrion so inept and Jon so wimpy and stupid. They should have known that Cersei was not sitting around in Kings Landing while they fought the nightwalkers. Of course, they would have a trap at DragonStone which really made me mad because of Rhaegal’s death. What a waste!!! At least Ghost is safe now. The only thing I want is Cersei to die a horrible death, she is the worst and she is the mad queen.
I don’t like what they are doing to any character TBH. As I have said before I thought Dany’s descent was actually pretty well foretold over the past few seasons, but I think they are trying to make it too sudden now. Its like she is someone who takes a few steps down a staircase and then falls the rest of the way or something. It’s too sudden.
I don’t like what they have done with Cersei. She used to be this evil but cunning queen, out for her own interests and awful, yes, but still actually interesting. Again, now, they are doing too much “telling and not showing.” There is so much Cersei is doing behind the scenes and they aren’t showing us that, so she has just become a character who stands around and smirks and drinks wine. It’s disappointing.
And Tyrion has also gone downhill. He seems to have lost his edge, and to have become too easily manipulated. We always knew his family was his downfall, but you would think after the whole killing his father thing that he would have gotten over that.
The “so much happening behind the scenes” is one of the biggest flaws of these last two seasons. It makes for an unsatisfying watch. I never watched GOT for jumpscares and SURPRISE! moments. But it seems like right now D & D have made those moments their top priority.
In the early seasons, moments that were shocking – like the “hero” Ned being executed so soon in the first season, or the Red Wedding – were surprising, in that we didn’t expect them to actually happen, but we HAD seen how all the pieces/characters were in place to make it happen. They made sense given what we’d seen and heard on screen.
But now D & D are hiding important moments, background information, conversations because they WANT to have SURPRISE! moments:
– SURPRISE!! the Stark sisters are working together against Littlefinger (Audience: really? Because the last time we saw them talking, all alone, with no one else eavesdropping, they really really didn’t seem to be working together.)
– SURPRISE! Arya killed the Night King (Audience: OK, we get she’s an experienced super skilled stealth assassin, but did she like teleport into the Gods Wood? Did she use her special face-switching? How did she get near NK with no one noticing?)
– SURPRISE!! Euron ambushed Dany and her fleet (Audience: wait, what…wasn’t he just in King’s Landing, how did he get there so fast, has he got fancy teleporting ships again? And how did he hide them…in the sea)
– SURPRISE!!! Cersei’s got Missandei in chains! (Audience: how? when? is there some reason aside from SURPRISE! that GOT decided to not give us ANY perspective on Missandei’s experience during that battle. What was she thinking or feeling? How did Euron capture her? Cersai’s “Breaker of Chains LOL!” snark panning to M’s chained hands wasn’t that good a moment to merit putting Missandei in a black box for much of the episode)
Honestly, the most surprising thing about last episode is that D & D actually let us see the conversation between Tyrion and Varys. Given how the most recent episodes have gone, I’d have expected them to hide that info from the audience.
They’ve also taken any credit away from Cersei. All her successes are due to Qyburn, Euron, and the Mountain.
Throughout the show, the quality seems to have dipped significantly this season. Everyone has mentioned the lighting and writing, but what about make-up?
Not to sound too shallow and petty, but it feels like they’re using complete amateurs this season. None of the characters is physically attractive anymore and they keep using this weird looking grey lip thing for most of the characters (in the north), along with ugly, pasty make up.
Jaime, Arya, Gendry, Brienne, Jon and Dany all look significantly older and noticeably more haggard. And I don’t think it’s even intentional.
It’s ruining my ships. 🙁
(Rant over)
Nooooo. NCW is so hot still. I like him looking a little rough and I’m glad they let him grow out his hair a bit more because that too short crop last season was atrocious. I would climb that man like a tree.
Really though, i completely agree. Grendry looks much better with his hair longer. And wtf are they doing with Maisie Williams?? Her hair and makeup have been an absolute mess the last two seasons. Arya deserves better.
Gendry was definitely more attractive with longer hair, that scene where he was all hot and sweaty in his dirty wife beater made me think of all the rednecks in my area. Not cute, lol.
Regarding their looks, it was meant to look that way. They are stressed out and exhausted from war, death etc, and Ep3 went 55 hours straight filming so they already looked the part without much makeup necessary. Also, it’s winter so people get pasty and crusty in the winter lol.
@ Regina
Yes, I know winter = pasty et al….. but they managed in previous seasons to capture seasonal effects without making them look downright unattractive. Even Jon’s Snows hair looks thinner and and less hunky this season.
@ Broodytrudy
Jaime (NCW), looks like he’s just come out of a maximum security prison where he was unpopular! Lol at climbing him like a tree 😁
@ Jess:
I’ve been shipping Arya and Gendry for a while now (they were such cute best friends from seasons 1-3), and they suddenly bring him back looking like he’s in his mid 40s rather than late teens/very early 20s. (He’s still my favorite character though, after the Hound, who ironically is the only character that looks the same).
Sigh 😔😔😔
(Ok, will shut up now) 🤐
I can’t believe how strongly I feel about what they’ve done to Dany. But it’s not just Dany. Bran is an emotionless being, Arya is dead-eyed, Sansa is cold. Even in The Hunger Games, as bleak as the ending was, there was hope. I see no hope here and I’m shocked by how little interest I have in this next episode. I’ll watch it of course. But I won’t be counting the hours like I usually do.
It’s insane how miserable they’ve made all the Stark children. To think Jon is now the least miserable……shocking.
Plus, I hope the don’t think they’re going to turn Arya into a maurauding serial killer and it’ll be ok. Once she’s done with her kill list, she had better take her ass to Storms End and help her poor love sick lover set up *their* dynasty.
I have a Stark theory. Jon is the hero of the Battle of the Bastards, and Arya is the hero of the Battle of Winterfell. So Sansa will be the hero of the Battle of Kings Landing.
The problem is I don’t think they ever cared enough about all those characters to truly understand them. They don’t realize that Arya is just as tragic a figure as Sansa and Bran. They screwed up the ‘madQueen Daenerys’ plot by giving her valid reasons to burn her enemies. They killed her child (dragon child), her friend, her army etc.
Her father was irrational and liked to see people burn just for the hell of it-that’s cray cray. Dany on the other hand is using her remaining military might to take down people trying to kill her. It’s rational and part of war. Cersei is using the small folk as human shields just like Dany’s Dad used Rhaegar’s wife and children as human shields. If they are killed in the battle that’s on Cersei. If after the battle Dany starts roasting people alive or celebrating the death of innocent people then sure, off with her head. They have to stop telling and show us instead.
Exactly Original T.C. – the mad king burned people to become sexually aroused, then raped Dany’s mother, leaving scratches, bite marks, and bruises. To compare Dany to that is insane.
I never used to like Dany much, but honestly the treatment they’re giving her character makes me really root for her.
“I can’t believe how strongly I feel about what they’ve done to Dany”
I was watching some clips of her in earlier seasons and remembered how bad ass I found her to be. Now she comes across as just….bitchy. I don’t see her as “mad”, I see her as a bitter baby that just wants to get her way, no matter what. She came across as SMART in earlier seasons, she does NOT look smart lately.
There was that scene earlier in the series where she gives away Drogon in exchange for the Unsullied. When she makes the offer, Jorah and her other advisor (forget his name now, think he is dead), are like “No, don’t do that” right in front of the slaveowner. She does it anyway…because she never plans to lose Drogon. And she tells them she appreciates their advice, but to never to question her in front of strangers again or they will be advising someone else. She ends up with Drogon back, plus the unsullied, plus Missandei…AND we learn that the slaveowner had been talking shit about her the entire time in valeryian, not realizing she speaks it fluently. (The audience didn’t know either) It was BRILLIANT. Where is THAT Dany?
If Cersei makes it to the final episode without having her smirking lips peeled from her face…. I see what’s going on, everything is rushed. And because they had to rush, character strengths had to quickly waffle for the sake of suspense. It’s a cheap way to end a series.
Ever since episode three, I’ve been just “meh” about the rest of the season. Ive been fine with the main events (Arya killing the NK was 100% bad@ss!!), but it’s been so obviously rushed. It feels like a let down. Would it have really been the worst thing to give us 10 episodes, so they have proper time to flesh out the story?
OMG that Dany pic is so sad.
I’m confused why people are acting like Dany is suddenly, out of nowhere, descending into madness. The potential “mad queen” plot line has been a slow burn for several seasons, and they are just beating us over the head with it now because the MO for this season seems to be, let’s make everything a foreshadowing and as obvious as possible!
There were several red flags in earlier seasons this could be a problem down the road.
I think the point of this show is, there are no perfect leaders – not one of the candidates for the Iron Throne has clean hands / a stable mindset / etc. Each of them have issues to contend with that prevent them from being the “perfect person to be on the Iron Throne.”
I’m actually leaning towards no one sitting on the Iron Throne. Let the seven kingdoms rule themselves, as was done in the past.
And, if it was up to Jon (which it could potentially be), I think he’d prefer it that way. Melt the Iron Throne down and be done with it.
If no one sits on the throne, does that. Mean it might be Arya and she becomes No One as Jaqen always told her? Hmmmmmm
@Doublesteff – Hmmmm, indeed! 😉
Apparently we’ve all been watching different shows. I see the same thing you do but others see a feminist hero or something.
I see a foot stomping Becky who wants to be loved best.
100% on the foot stomping. She has had some good moments, but the earlier seasons show us a person who is on the on the edge.
Each time she doesn’t 100% get her way and perceive everyone is super happy she got her way, she goes full tyrant. This is something that has been happening for a long time now – not just this season.
Also, I can totally see how there may not be anyone on the Iron Throne at the end of the day. I have wondered if perhaps they would move the capital to the north, because I think Dany is about to “burn them all.”
Re: Dany. There is a difference being between mad and being a tyrant (as some like to call Dany) I see someone incredibly flawed, just like everybody else on this show. I see someone who has made mistakes and tried to learn from them and someone who has done awful things but never in an irrational or out of control way. I’ve never seen someone who was mad. If she was mad, Tyrion would have been dragon food along time ago because everyone she’s listened to him, especially when it’s about his family, she’s lost big. Hmm. Dany isn’t even as ruthless as the show keeps telling us she is because they are showing us someone who had one point had three dragons and has never really utilized them in a way she could have. If I had three dragons, I’d already be on the Iron Throne. But ymmv all that.
@DS9
Girl, I have seen Dany’s problematic ways since S1.
For anyone who has experienced colonization and gentrification, Dany is no different than a hipster or colonizer. Coming into your neighborhood (when nobody asked them to) and wanting to do away with the customs and cultures of the natives and impose their own without any conversation or compromise.
Her commanding Mirri Mazz to heal Drogo after he and his army had just run through, burned down her village and local businesses, murdered their men and raped their women (Mirri saying she was raped multiple times) was tone deaf and extremely entitled to say the least.
She learned the hard way when people stated revolting on her and Tyrion had to convince her to compromise with some of those gladiator games as well as allowing some of the slaves that started complaining they were too old to do anything else go back to live with their masters as long as there was a contract in place.
It’s been more subtle in previous seasons, but it’s been there. I don’t understand how people think she’s doing a complete 180?
She’s well intentioned enough, but she does exhibit some petulant entitled and privileged behavior with her “my way or the high way”, “love me, dammit” mentality. It’s just magnified now that she lost Jorah, 2 dragons and her BFF, and seems to be getting paranoid that people like Jon more than they like her, especially knowing now that he has a stronger claim to her precious.
I wouldn’t necessarily hold it against her if she finally does flip the script, though. Losing all of those close to you may trigger a melt down from anyone and if she finds out about Varys plans for her. Whoo child I don’t think anyone could stop her.
I was always neutral on Dany. I saw her going either way. I knew she was never gonna get the throne thanks to her vision at the House of the Undying which foreshadowes it, but I held hope that somehow she’d go with her better senses
I think the issue for me is that Dany isn’t really acting “mad” or insane. She always had to reign in her anger and has some arrogance (but rulers need some arrogance and ego). But I think the issue is that it is understandable that she is angry. Jorah, Missandei, Rhaegal, the Unsullied, and Dothraki are dead. She fought for and sacrificed for ungrateful northerners and Jon gets the credit though he barely did anything.
Tyrion lost her allies (Olenna, Dorne, and most of the Ironborn), told her to leave Jon and company beyond the wall, and to trust Cersei. And she should just keep taking his terrible advice?
All the other characters are allowed to be angry and vengeful, but when it comes to Dany it is madness. It was fine for Sansa to write off Rickon and people love watching Arya go on an assassination spree because we feel those people deserved it.
Dany got the Dothraki to stop raping, ended slavery in parts of the East, put her dragons away when they were harming innocent people, and got the iron born to stop raping and thieving under Yara. Not to mention that she delayed her quest for Westeros at great personal cost. But no one seems to remember that she at least tries to bring change for the better. She isn’t perfect, but she grew up in poverty without anyone decent to teach her.
Now people are saying Jon is the better ruler despite the fact that he is a doormat. Sansa convinced him to take back winterfell even though he didn’t want to and he bent the knee to Dany AFTER she agreed to go north without his bending the knee. And this is our King? Really?
Please don’t misunderstand my position – just because I believe they have laid plenty of groundwork to indicate Dany could end up being the Mad Queen, doesn’t mean I think Jon is any good.
I think Jon is an idiot. He’s a nice guy for sure, honorable, certainly tries to do the right thing, but he’s dumb. I said I think they are showing that essentially no one is actually fit to sit on the Iron Throne, they all have flaws. Jon’s flaw is that while he is good at getting people to follow him, he isn’t a super good leader. He’s naive. I don’t think he should be on the Iron Throne either.
I disagree on Dany not doing anything mad/insane. Burning the Tarlys alive for not bending the knee is not a proportionate response. She crucified all the Masters without even bothering to figure out if all of them were in on the plot to crucify the children. This is not a measured response. Her go-to response is “burn them all”, which harkens back to the Mad King.
No denying Dany has done good, but just because she had done good doesn’t mean she can’t also be going crazy. There has been tons of foreshadowing on this.
@ Maude
Re burning the Tarly’s don’t forget she gave the father *3* choices: Kneel, wall or Burn. He **CHOSE** to burn. The son willingly joined his father without Dany’s invitation.
Re the Masters: She had to uproot the entire system. Their extreme cruelty was far too entrenched – I find it very difficult to defend people who crucify children. Any individual who didn’t agree with the practice should have removed themselves from it. So if you’re a Master, in my mind, you condone child crucifiction.
Just to clarify, I don’t think she’s perfect at all…..she’s far too power hungry for my taste, but she’s nowhere near bad or corrupt enough to be tagged “ mad”.
@Maude Why would it matter if they were in on the plot or not? They are slave owners who allowed it to happen. Let me shorten it: they are slave owners. They deserve to be crucified for that alone.
One of the most baffling things about anti-Dany posters on any site is the insistance on leaving out the fact that both cities that she took over were run by SLAVE OWNERS. Just because they are protrayed by brown people on the show does not lessen the evil in the masters. They were brown people who captured, raped, tortured, and built their cities on the backs of other brown people. There was no cultural misunderstanding to be found with her and the masters. They knew what they were doing and did not care that they were harming others. She gave them back what they had been giving out for centuries. Why do you want to sympathize with a slave owner?
I don’t see “Burn them all” with Dany – at all. She let Jorah go (twice) when he had betrayed her. She welcomed Barristan when he came directly from serving the enemy who had been attempting to assassinate her her entire life. She gave Tyrion her trust and incredible power when he had served her enemy and was related to them. She gave Varys a pass knowing he had served her enemy for years.
She is a very forgiving person. When it came to slave owners who had tortured children? No mercy. She has always identified with the slaves and their abuse. The Tarlys, as explained above, were treasonous. Plus, they had other options. She didn’t want to burn them but they gave her little choice. Did Ned give the night’s watchman who abandoned the wall out of terror a choice? Did Jon give his killers a choice? Did Robb give that Umber or Karstark a choice? Why aren’t these men unstable, mad, or out of control?
@Bella
It would seem we’re operating from different starting positions. I think she has been descending into mad queen / tyrant territory, and not necessarily the rightful queen of the 7 kingdoms, so I view her 3 options for the Tarlys as an example of her unwillingness to understand the people. The Tarlys are only treasonous if you inherently view Dany as the queen of the 7 kingdoms. From the Tarly point of view, if they are on board with the Lannisters, then it would be treasonous of them to go along with Dany.
It all depends on your viewpoint.
From my perspective, there is an opportunity to try to win the people over, and instead her decision is always “do it my way or I’m going to have my dragons light you on fire.”
For me it comes back to this premise – why would the people of Westeros follow Dany? What is the incentive? I don’t mean that in a negative way. I just don’t think she’s given them any incentive to follow her. Her entire approach in Westeros has been bad – she marched in like she owned the place and assumed everyone would just agree even though they don’t know her, and their most recent experience with a Targ is the Mad King who wanted to burn everyone. And whether or not it is fair, she’s showing them she is essentially the same, even if she really isn’t the same.
@AIOBHAN
It is fine, we just have different viewpoints. I was rooting for Dany, because she did a lot of good, I just also believe it isn’t zero sum. She can be the breaker of chains, and also be going mad or becoming a tyrant. As I have said in several of the comments I think the point is, there is no perfect person to take the Iron Throne. I genuinely believe that is one of the points of the show / books. Every single candidate is imperfect in some way. Power corrupts. Just my opinion, and if I’m wrong, I’m wrong.
I believe I read one time these books were a direct response to the Lord of the Rings because GRRM felt Tolkien pulled his punches and made the story too happy, too clean of an ending.
Based on what I have seen, it is my opinion they have been setting her up to become the mad queen for several years. That doesn’t discount the good she has done. I am not a Dany-hater. There are several characters I dislike pretty intensely on this show, but she isn’t one of them. I detest Cersei, but I think she is playing a much stronger game than Dany at this point. I seriously hope Cersei doesn’t end up on top.
Dany just isn’t the person I believe will end up on the Iron Throne and I think they have been foreshadowing she won’t make it for several seasons. It is fine if you disagree. I’m certainly no expert on mental illness, but they keep telling us and showing us mental illness is a probable outcome. And this show is HUGE on beating us over the head with what they want us to believe.
Also, I keep saying she has done good. Just to clarify when I say that, I mean freeing slaves, since there seems to be some confusion on that above.
I’m not a big eye for an eye person, so that is why I feel her actions have not been as measured as they could have been. Also, this doesn’t mean I think the men are perfect – I have a billion criticisms of the men. Just because I don’t think Dany is perfect doesn’t mean I think the men are perfect. Things aren’t black and white. My top 2 predictions for the person who becomes the leader/queen/whatever are both women.
@ Maude
Your most recent post to me makes sense. Fair enough.
But I still think they have a way to go for her to look legitimately insane. But as you say, her approach could be more nuanced/persuasive than it currently is.
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@Caitiecait-
Omg, the terrible advice Tyrion gives her! He didnt even want Dany to attack Cersie’s army when they were returning from wiping out Highgarden! Wasnt that the PERFECT time and place to attack? The army was outside the city walls and could be attacked without hurting any civilians. But Tyrion was like “don’t do it!” I’m a pacifist, but even I would have executed Tyrion by now. He’s clearly. sabotaging Dany.
There’s more than just a few red flags, they’ve literally talked about “what if she goes mad like her father?” multiple times in the show. People either weren’t paying attention, or chose to ignore it. Regardless if that’s what actually happens, they’ve absolutely been going that way for seasons.
It’s another example of telling not showing which this show is notorious for.
No, they haven’t. Just because people were talking about her being crazy does not mean she was showing actual signs of being crazy. Just because someone calls you crazy does not mean you are actually crazy. The characters on the show people have no way of diagnosing a mental illness and, quite frankly, neither do most audience members.
The characters’s ignorance and the audiences’s ignorance about mental illness seems to be endless. There is a stigma that people with mental illness and their children get placed on them by ignorant people. Every move they make gets overly scrutinized by people who have gotten their degrees from “I don’t know what I am talking about university.
At this point, for me, it would be a massive plot twist if she doesn’t become the mad queen. They’ve laid plenty of groundwork, both with words, and her actions.
@Maude – I agree. At this point, if she doesn’t become the mad queen, its going to be another sign of the poor writing of the show. What is the point of all this foreshadowing and making it clear she’s close to the edge if she doesn’t go over? Unless she is close to it and there is a big scene where she pulls herself back.
They’re writing of Daenerys is thoroughly inconsistent. Yes, she’s committed acts that could be considered “mad” in past seasons but her actions are framed by the show to be sympathetic and badass. Yes, murdering the Dothraki by setting their temple ablaze is a morally grey act when you stop and think about it but the show portrayed Dany as Messianic and badass through both direction and music, encouraging the audience to whoop and yass kween as she takes out those condescending rapey men!
They then force a conflict where all the Northerners and main characters excluding Good Guys Jon and Tyrion hate Dany in Season 8 and this is what spurs her into madness. I know Dany has murdered people by dragonfire but the only time this was framed as an issue was in Season 7 when she burned the Tarlys and that’s only because they decided to be bizarrely loyal to the Lannisters and they made a choice to end their lives.
Dany has been overwhelmingly framed as a hero throughout the show with a few dark blips across the seasons but there was little attempt to consistently keep her morally grey and effectively transform her into a villain in the last 3 episodes.
I mostly agree with your take. She has done some pretty horrible stuff, but it has been framed as heroic, so people can write it off mentally and say, well, she did that for the greater good, and she’s awesome.
She got to Westeros, where she assumed everyone would roll out the red carpet and be delighted to see her because DESTINY! , but they don’t need her there in the same way – there are not chains to break in the way she helped break the chains for others. Her move at that point was to essentially say, “bend the knee because I said so or else I’ll burn you alive.” she just assumed because she believes this is her destiny, everyone else should just make way for her. It comes across as petulant at best and tyrannical and crazy/mad at worst.
Aside from Dragons, what does she give to the people of Westeros to inspire them to follow her? There needs to be something better than “I’m going to burn you alive if you don’t just roll over and accept my rule even though you don’t know me. “
Hadn’t those Dothraki enslaved Dany? Hadn’t they planned to basically rape her to death? She was one small woman in a room filled with men who are famous for being bloodthirsty killers. Any suggestions on how else she could save herself? Her only power is that she is fire-proof.
Jeeze, these men probably had thousands of rapes on their hands. Even Drogo planned to rape his enemy’s wife and enslave their children. I didn’t weep for those people.
I completely agree with your take. I don’t care enough to bother, but I think I could compile a list of her pros and cons. Pros would be super epic and heroic. Cons are pretty small, in my opinion. Burning a-holes is not a bad thing to do. Brother Tarly is the only nice person she has killed.
Compare her to the really bad, mad leaders this show has had. Come on! She is nowhere near their league and it would take many seasons to get there.
Think about how carefully they have written Jamie Lannister. Now THAT is how you turn a character around. You don’t make them suddenly go crazy in the last two episodes. Soooooooo bad.
I agree that I think her descent has been obvious (whether they should have done that to her character or not is a different story, but I think they’ve been trying to make it clear she’s losing control)- maybe not a descent into madness, but a descent into full on tyranny. In the episode from Season 6 (I think its Battle of the Bastards, may be Winds of Winter) where she is talking to Tyrion in Mereen, she wants to burn the city with the dragons and he talks her down from it and explains to her what her father wanted to do it in KL. It seemed at that point that she didn’t actually know her father’s plans.
Anyway, I think you can definitely argue WHY the show’s writers are trying to do this to her character, but I think they have been laying the groundwork for it for a while.
@Becks1
Even though they had no more source material to work with, GRRM handed them the major beats and endgame to the main characters. He said last month the ending from the show won’t stray too much from what he has in store, just the part of getting from point A to point B may take a few detours and not be as direct as the show. But how all the major characters end up has alrwady been laid out by George.
@Becks1
Yes, I agree. Whether or not it should have been written that way is the underlying question. I don’t love the way it was written, but that is the way it has been written and portrayed on screen. Just because I don’t like what they’ve done to her character doesn’t make it any less true.
At least Dany has tried to help others, especially the downtrodden, and has put her ambitions on hold while trying to help. Compare that to Cersie or Sansa, who have never done anything that hasn’t benefitted themselves, and they’re willing to sacrifice others and betray their own family to do so. But Dany is the “mad” one?
I’m not going to mention the big plot point leaks that seem very reliable (and very, very GRRM) but … part of the fan base is going ballistic in quite an irrational way at the moment because they aren’t ‘right’ about the ending. They may moan about other things but that’s their core problem – being wrong. This is what endless theorising on the internet, which treats stories like puzzles, does to people.
They should have ended the show two years ago. Splitting it into two seasons so far apart made this season feel rushed ironically.
I know! Instead of “hurry up and wait” it’s the opposite.
The way the show runners have set this up, I don’t see how Dany & Jon could possibly win this, without some completely ludicrous plot stunt such as Arya flying through the air out of nowhere with a Valyrian steel dagger. Drogon won’t be able to get anywhere near King’s Landing without being shot down [why didn’t they kill him when he was sitting still behind Dany last week?]. Why didn’t HBO just take their time to flesh out the plot for another season or two? It’s not like they were losing money on it. I’m not quite hate-watching yet, but I’m *this* close. Long live Ghost in the North!
HBO wanted more episodes/seasons but D&D said no. Personally I think HBO should have said fine, complete your contracts then we’ll replace you. The last 2 seasons quality has been poor in terms of writing and rushed to suit the showrunners/writers who honestly are poor are writing without source material. They’re also incredibly arrogant and it shows.
Watch their reactions when people show their feelings over this shitstorm of a season.
I have a feeling their reactions will be “laughing all the way to the bank because those chumps are still gonna watch our spinoffs!”
They’ve reacted negatively when criticised in the past so I’d expect a bit of passive aggressiveness too
Didn’t one of them say they would stay drunk through the last episode. They know they haven’t respected the fans, crew, or cast. They were over it.
I’ve read that the showrunners have the next Star Wars franchise. They wanted this wrapped up and out of their lives and it shows. They’ve pretty much destroyed this show in my opinion. The comments they’ve made have shown they know people will be very unhappy with what they’ve done.
Somebody on Reddit called her Miss Sunday, and that’s all I hear when people talk about Missandei.
I couldn’t get over how David Benioff mispronounced the name as MEES -andei on the Inside the Episode. It sounded like Jar Jar Binks
There’s another meme out there with Grey Worm looking sadly at an ice cream on the ground, saying “Me Sundae”. I laughed my ass off.
Lol at the Great Staring Contest, I think we got part one of that at the end of episode 4!
Also I love Cersei’s character and am not a psycho. I’m not rooting for her at all (I don’t even know who I’m rooting for any more after reading the latest leaks) but I appreciate that she’s unashamedly bad and she just owns it. She better get an ending/death fitting of that.
I agree with you on Cersei. Dare I say that I have felt Cersei’s absence in the past few episodes and I think that’s contributed on some level to the tepid fan response. She’s a character people love to hate. I don’t necessarily agree that she’s this one-note evil character, I think she’s pretty complex in her loyalties to her family–her children especially. But she’s also had multiple opportunities to kill Tyrion (when they met in KL at the end of last season and this past Sunday right before Missandei’s you-know-what) and she hasn’t been able to do it. I think that’s interesting.
Her inability to kill either brother when they were standing before her is why I found her paying Bronn to kill them unbelievable. Now I think she’s simply gutless. Too cowardly to give a direct order and watch their death. Just like she didn’t watch The Mountain torture the septa or watch Ellaria’s daughter die.
Love her or hate her, Cersei is playing the damn game.
Listen, when she killed the Sand Snake and chained up Ellaria to watch her decompose as revenge for killing poor, innocent Myrcella, I was NOT mad at her at all. She was disregarded by her father because she was female growing up and didn’t trust that she could be the one to take over for House Lannisters.
I mean I think she’s a sociopath now, but she’s a deliciously cold bitch. She’s using the people of KL to bait Dany into doing her dirty work for her so then she could turn around and tell the Lord’s of Westeros that she was right about the crazy Targ chick.
The other one playing the game is Sansa who told Tyrion about Jon on purpose. From the school of Littlefinger, she doesn’t like Dany and figures she’ll sow the seeds to install a relative of hers on the throne who is tied to the North. I don’t think she wants the Throne or cares to go back to KL. She wants a free North. She’s gonna try to outwit Dany as well.
And after a long absence, Varys has finally re-entered the game.
Ugh. Season 7 was crap. Season 8 is worse. But I have this ridiculous “need” to finish the dang series. Maybe I’m actually pulling for a resurrection of the Night King now? Oh lawd… what has this show done to me?
I’m pretty over it. The NK was so anticlimactic. I’d like to see what happens with Jaime, but I might just read the recaps at this point. Ugh. This whole season has been trash and the leaks are giving me zero hope. Also i need justice for Lena Headey’s god awful wig. It’s been months since the dragon pit scene, there’s no reason she should still be forced to wear that.
Maybe the wig is bad, but I like that they kept the short hair. It symbolizes what she is now, she got shamed and got her gold crown cut, and she owned it. She changed her style and became what she always wanted.
Eh….I’m in it until the end. Has the show gone downhill a bit since it continued beyond the books, moving at a much faster pace sacrificing story & character development? Absolutely, but I still find it really exciting and enjoyable. At the end of the day it’s just a tv show that exists for our entertainment. I’m not going to over analyze it and focus on it’s flaws. I may wind up completely disappointed by how it all ends, but the journey to get there will have been worth it. 🤷🏻♀️
This is where am I especially as we don’t seem to know if this truly is the showrunners or maybe this is why GRRM hasn’t finished the damned books.
My sentiments exactly. As flawed as it has become, it’s Must See TV and provokes polarizing responses from viewers.
How the hell is Varys still alive? He’s always been shady and out for himself in my opinion, now it looks like he’s going to try to kill Dany, unless Tyrion tattles on him first.
I have such mixed feelings on this season, I’m sad but ready for the shitty and rushed writing to be over. I’m sure D and D are pissed people are criticizing their work, especially Weiss he seems like such a whiny little wiener to me. I can’t stand to watch the after shows when he talks.
HE seems anything but humble. I was appalled when he said “Dany kinda forgot about the Iron fleet” sorry but wwww…hatt?
HE could’ve said that she got distracted with happiness seeing her healing baby dragon, or that she felt too secure going to her homestead, whatever, but KINDA forgot??? ç
I am accepting whatever they do, because the effects and the hard job of actor and creators like the set and clothes, and special effects are just great, but I wished they could’ve spent a minute with AeJon telling Dany something about uncle-master Aemon, for example. I hope the books get done someday, but I am not expecting too much, as the later books also are a bit scattered and the ramifications, to me seem too much.
AS smcollins said, I am not over invested, I like GOT very much, but I am not exaggerating over a coffee cup on set.
These men remind me of the showrunners of The Walking Dead. They drive the show into the ground and then attack their critics while whining and pouting.
Yep! D&D have very Gimple the Pimple-like egos and attitudes.
I just don’t understand how they turned down HBO ‘s offer for 2 more seasons ! This show is a once in a lifetime opportunity and they will never do anything more successful. It’s just a slap in the face to the fans who have made them ver, very rich. We deserve better.
Tyrion and Varys plotting treason in the very acoustic throne room of all places lol
Varys says Jon would be the perfect candidate for the throne.
Tyrion suggests Dany and Jon should marry and rule together, Varys goes, nah she’s too strong for him. So does he want his king to be a pushover? Maybe so he could push him in the direction he likes? Or did his character just receive the same “dumb down” treatment as Tyrion? Jeez.
If the spoilers are to be believed its going to be a massive letdown – the ending is going to be a lazy hackjob but then again so are the show runners. They should never have been allowed to go off and write sh!t on their own.
Drogon will be wearing Amour? ….or its a sneak attack from behind or high above where the arrow can’t pierce Drogon. I’m guessing.
As I recall, Tyrion from A Dance with Dragons <wasn't so much better, drunk all the time and asking where do wh*res go. I don’t like what happened to Tyrion in the series and of course the original writer has all the right to get tired of trying to finish the series, and he wants to write something else, go ahead. Anyway,I miss witty, sharp Tyrion, and I wish he got some happiness in his life after Tysha.
The writing and the execution of each episode this season has been absolutely terrible. I almost don’t want to watch the last 2 episodes, but I feel like I’ve gotten this far and may as well see it through. That’s really terrible, because this is the only fantasy story I’ve ever enjoyed.
As for my predictions, I think they’ve been too heavy handed on calling Dany the mad queen. They’re beating is over the head with it. Because their story has been so focused on “subverting expectations”, and their foreshadowing game this season has basically been in Sharpie, I think whatever they’ve spelled out, the opposite will happen. They’re openly calling her the Mad Queen? Jon will believe in her and she’ll be ok. Golden Company never turned on anyone? I think the Golden Company are gonna turn on Cersei. Euron is a total badass? Euron’s gonna die. Tyrion and Varys turn on Dany? At least Varys will die. Tyrion feels like Cersei is a human being? He’ll try to keep her alive, and it’ll end in his death. Jaime wants to be with Cersei all of a sudden? He’ll try to kill her.
Also, winners of the Omaze thing are getting to watch the finale with Emilia, and I don’t think they would’ve done that if she dies a sad death in the next episode.
Also, before the beginning of the last episode, they showed Robin Arryn for no good reason. I think that’s who’s gonna end up on the throne, or at least contending for it. Jon Arryn was hand to King Robert Baratheon until his death sparked Robert to come to Winterfell and ask Ned to do it. Jon Arryn was looking into the lineage of King Baratheon’s kids, and his last words were “The Seed is Strong”, regarding King Robert’s dark hair/dark eyes lineage and their children all being blonde. If someone was hastily trying to find a “subverting expectations” ending, bookending where you begin and where you’ll end is an easy out. Robin Arryn is in charge of the Knights of the Veil, the group who saved Jon Snow’s life in the Battle of the Bastards because Robin loves Sansa, so if he decides he wants to usurp, who will stop him? Couldn’t Sansa, unhappy with the “Mad Queen”, reach out for his help and he’d be willing?
I don’t know. I feel like I’ve talked about this so much and I just end up disappointed, but this schlocky story seems to be running in that direction to me. We’ll see!
I sure hope Robin won’t sit the Iron Throne. His mother twisted him into a vengeful, unstable boy. He wanted to throw everyone through the moon door to watch them die. Sounds like a little sociopath.
I completely agree with you-Robin and Lysa were both terrible, and it would be awful to get Robin on the throne. It seems like, from the actor’s interviews, that no one will be happy with the ending. I think they’re dropping just enough hints around Robin to make me think that he may make a play for it. Also, if they’re all turning on Dany but can’t back Cersei and Jon won’t take it, the only other claims I know of that the small folk might get behind are Gendry now and Robin.
Robin loves Sansa? Wut? The Vail is loyal to Sansa I thought. Robin is a petulant child.
Dudeface Von Chin. I snort laughed. I really needed that.
LOL, love it.
Where is Jaime!?!
Haha, right?! I love it.
Shoot, I meant to comment above. Long time lurker.
So far I’ve stayed away from the spoilers but I’m sooo tempted to find out!
I feel like there have definitely been some flaws and weaknesses this season, it’s a shame it has felt so rushed and a pity it couldn’t have been another ten episode season but I’ve still enjoyed it.
If the Hound makes it I’ll be happy!
I have feelings Daario would come to Westeros to fight for Dany in Ep5.
OMG. Dudeface Von Chin! My face is hurting from laughing so hard. Thank you for the epic LOLs, that was pure gold! 🤣