Jeffrey Epstein pleaded not guilty yesterday in a federal court in Manhattan. He has been indicted on multiple charges of sex trafficking and conspiracy to commit sex trafficking. Everyone assumes there will be more charges to come, especially considering the FBI raid of Epstein’s Manhattan home apparently turned up more evidence of Epstein’s crimes against children. A hearing on bail for Epstein will happen next Monday, and for now, he’s being kept in jail. There’s a huge concern with the flight risk – if Epstein is allowed bail, the man probably has dozens of passports, private planes and money hidden away, and he could easily slip out of the country and never be heard from again.
Obviously, Epstein’s name back in the news is a big problem for all of the rich and powerful predators from New York to Paris, from London to Miami. Donald Trump has not made any statement about his good friend Jeffrey Epstein, even though they socialized together throughout the ‘80s and ‘90s and Trump once called him a “terrific guy” who likes “women on the younger side.” A Trump Org spokesperson did go on the record claiming that Trump has/had “no relationship” with Epstein. Which… I mean, that denial means less than nothing, especially given the fact that Trump’s Labor Secretary Alexander Acosta was the one who shut down the investigation into Epstein a decade ago and gave Epstein such a light plea deal.
As for the Bill Clinton connection – by all accounts, Clinton and Epstein were social friends, and Clinton made use of Epstein’s private plane several times back in the day. In the wake of these new charges, Clinton decided to issue a statement through his spokesperson:
A spokesman for former President Bill Clinton said Monday that Clinton “knows nothing” about Jeffrey Epstein’s alleged crimes after the billionaire financier pleaded not guilty to sex-trafficking charges in Manhattan federal court.
“President Clinton knows nothing about the terrible crimes Jeffrey Epstein pleaded guilty to in Florida some years ago, or those with which he has been recently charged in New York,” according to a statement tweeted by Clinton’s press secretary Angel Ureña.
Well… at least Clinton didn’t deny knowing Epstein, which would have been a f–king lie. Clinton just claims to know nothing about the crimes. It’s still shady AF. What’s the worst case scenario for this case? That Epstein basically can’t go to trial because he has so much compromising information on all of the most powerful men in this country? That half of all of the power brokers from New York to Washington to Miami are all child-rapists? I feel sick to my stomach.
I call BS on both Dump and Bill.
I call double BS on both Don the Con and Bill. They know everything about everyone they socialized with. The secret service would have told them the background on Jeffrey Epstein. Btw, Don the Con even tweeted, 2002, he knows JF for fifteen years and he knew he likes women who are beautiful women like he does and JE like them on the young side.
It seems this man is going to take down a lot of high profile men around the country. I notice Bill Barr just recuse himself from this case.
Barr did? Good. Something about his father hiring an unqualified Epstein to teach at the Dalton School in NYC? (Famous private school for the Manhattan elite )
He didn’t mention his father when recusing.
There are so many odd, sickening angles to this story, and it is likely not even the tip of the iceberg.
Hound Dog Bill Clinton, Dirty Dershowitz and Pedo Andy are documented to have been to Epstein’s private island, taken their on Epstein’s private jet. I doubt they went to play poker…at least, not with cards. Epstein and Dump *were* good buds back in the 80s & 90s; Epstein also had membership in Mar-A-Lardo’s place (and perhaps still does). Isn’t it the 13 yr. old who filed the rape complaint the one who said she was working at MAL when she was “pinched” by Epstein to go down to FL?
As for that POS Acosta, why else do you think he got that cabinet position??? Payback (downplaying that sweetheart deal, that kept Dump out of it), pure and simple.
The photos were stored on labeled disks, I believe. Labeled like “(name) + (name)”.
If those names include the men and not just the victims, he could have been using it for blackmail, or as one twitter user suggested…kompromat. Apparently there may be Russian overlap in this case, based on people involved.
Actually the latest news indicates Barr will not recuse himself from this case but will remain recused from any Justice Department review of its decision in 2008 to let Epstein avoid prosecution on federal sex-trafficking offenses.
I don’t think Barr *did* recuse himself? Do you have a link confirming?
Twitter says Barr UN-recused himself: https://twitter.com/eorden/status/1148606992308670464?s=20
Never ever believe that ANYONE in this adminstration will do the right thing. Rookie mistake.
Barr said he was recusing himself, but now he’s backtracking and just removing himself in regards to the Florida charges, not these new ones.
Barr’s father gave Epstein a job teaching at a very prestigious school at the start of his career when he had no related experience. It is so disheartening how this predatory boys club always manages to be in positions of power to protect their own.
Oh, you haven’t heard the latest, @B n A fan?
Barr reused himself yesterday from the Epstein case, but today, he suddenly unrecused.
You know, kinda like what Trump hardcore tried to browbeat Jeff Sessions into doing regarding Russia so he’d stop the Mueller report. The Keebler Elf stood his ground and earned Trump as an enemy who’d never pass up a shot to berate Sessions.
Looks like Bill Barr may have been on the receiving end of unhinged abuse and pleas to unrecuse and this time…it worked.
Nope today he unrecused himself so I guess Barr will try to shut down this case now?
I’m guessing Don the Con put pressure on Wm Barr to unrecused himself, hum, wonder why? Could it be he has something to hide?
Trump was accused by a girl who was trafficked at age 13 (by Epstein’s woman partner) of having raped her at Epstein’s residence. She was still a virgin and was 13 years old, though she admitted she looked a little “older”. However, she revealed her age before he raped her and he didn’t care. In fact, she alleged that he also struck her in the face and threatened her. She was supposed to speak out before the elections but withdrew her agreement and disappeared/went underground after someone presumably threatened her life.
Exactly!!! Prince Andrew is also connected to him. Those men are disgusting.
It’s highly unlikely they didn’t know what was going on.
Just into my first cup of coffee and for a moment thought I saw, “highly likely”. Back to normal now.
Highly unlikely, but these denials are obviously not surprising. It’s not like Clinton is going to come out and say, “oh yeah, I totally knew everything about it, and participated.”
But I’m rolling my eyes so hard at Trump being like “no relationship!!!” Um bullshit.
Bill is saying that he used the plane for transportation to fundraising events. Yes it’s worse if he engaged in illicit activities but just the fact that he was hobnobbing with a known predator is shady enough for me. All of this is so effin’ gross and those young women are heros for coming forward.
Let’s do the math, Clinton and Trump are both accused rapists. They’re palling around with a convicted sex predator and the commonalities never come up in conversation? But that’s being too kind. They did more than know. They participated. How can we believe otherwise?
Elsewhere in his statement, Clinton pointed out that he was travelling with full staff on behalf of his charity- potential witnesses either way. He may be in the clear in this situation.
Emphasis on ‘may’.
I feel like Trump’s ‘modeling agency’ that supplied hostesses for corporate meetings should be part of this conversation as well.
Given that Epstein’s plane was given the nickname “The Lolita Express”? Yeah, they all knew.
Of course they knew. It is an insult to our collective intelligence to deny it.
@WoodDragon: FAA flight manifests show Clinton flying all over the world with Epstein not 11 times as Clinton originally claimed, but 26 times between 2001-2003. It appears that he had Secret Service with him, except on that 4 day trip to Asia. He is in no way in the effing’ clear.
Smh.
You are so right, many, many powerful men AND women could be taken down. Pass the popcorn!!
I never trust the rich will suffer anything. Here is how it happens with ultra wealthy people, one or two are arrested, plea out and nothing absolutely nothing happens to the mass of them even when they are associated with the “boss”.
Exactly. It’s gonna be the 2008 financial crisis all over again. Everyone responsible will skate, while some lesser knowns down the ranks will pay some tiny price. The victims deserve justice, but i don’t trust the current justice system to deliver it.
Yeah, what powerful women are going to be taken down exactly? These are scumbag powerful MEN.
Hard to believe. People in that circle at least heard rumours but they’ll deny knowledge of specific acts. And after the Florida deal Epstein still wasn’t shunned. This happens up and down the power scale to protect abusive men.
Two presidents and two royal families are compromised. SDNY deserves our gratitude for attempting the case. It’s going to be a nightmare for those civil servants and their families.
So true. I imagine they made sure it was bullet proof before even trying. You know men like that will try to get to their families and friends to wind this down. Thank you SDNY!
Don’t forget to thank Vicky Ward and also the Miami Herald for their dogged reporting.
Yes…kudos to the guys who are trying to bring them down…history suggests the rich predators will get away with it but its good to know there are still people with integrity who are horrified by what theyve done and are taking steps to try and force the issue..
If there is any justice, DT, Clinton, Prince Andrew and Dershowitz will all get named and prosecuted (sorry Bill, live by the sword, die by the sword, as they say)
That’s just the starting line-up
Anyone involved in this needs to go to jail, regardless of their politics.
Agreed, although the insistence by so many people of the deplorable stripe of dragging Hillary into this is making me crazy.
I’m increasingly sickened at seeing this monster’s scary, blocky face all over the place.
Absolutely agree, without hesitation. This is not about party or politics. This is about children’s lives.
What about the Price Andrew connection? This guy’s ties run deep and worldwide. Either this will be an epic takedown or just another wealthy creep getting away with crimes against women/girls and make everything disappear.
Rumors about him for years.
The war on women (and girls) is real. This will not come to anything at all…it will disappear ….
Epstein isn’t going to name names and I fully expect that he will again escape without punishment and/or somehow get out on bail then flee the country. Have no doubt he has numerous account in overseas banks and will live out his life quite comfortably and continuing on his merry way. Have visions of the Illuminati or a whole host of mega powerful but unknown people making sure of it.
I kinda assume he won’t name names because he’s afraid of getting whacked. The people he ran with are very powerful and extremely well-connected.
Epstein also has Russian ties, all the way to the top. I’m sure there are a LOT of people that don’t want *anything* getting out.
It also sounds like Epstein was getting shipments of Russian girls sent to the US. It makes me think of Trump’s modeling company, and how they would house the models. Trumps models were also reportedly seen frequently at Epstein’s parties.
Sadly I’m with you. He’ll take the fall for everyone or get mysteriously die in prison awaiting trial.
The only hope I have is that among the evidence the Feds seized is materials that incriminate the others. And if the Feds flip Ghislaine Maxwell, that could be interesting.
Does England extradite?
I think it is fair to say the US will not risk a diplomatic crisis by indicting Prince Andrew.
I partially agree, I don’t think he will sing at this point in the game, I’m sure he believes there is enough influence to get him bail and he can disappear.
If he is denied bail and remains in custody, I think he’ll sing like a canary.
He’s never going to name names. He has way too many powerful connections. One is in the White House, the other in BRF & the other a former President. He’d be stupid. He’d be dead if he did. He will either die while in custody or he will make bail. I’m sorry but, I’m way too cynical at this point to believe that there’s going to be justice.
Illuminati is a fictitious man made conspiracy theory. We as people need to focus on relaity, call them out on that reality and not crazy theories like Illuminati. Here is real life and reality, it is just rich people protecting one another and buying anything they can buy, including people. There is no Illuminati, its just rich people getting away with s*it we would never be able to do or purchase. these types LOVES when we invent theories because it takes focus off of what they are really doing behind closed doors.
There is no Illuminati. The US system of justice is protecting him in plain sight. And given that the system is designed to protect rich white men, there is a very good chance he will either beat these charges or get handed another sweetheart deal.
The Russians have whacked many people here in the UK, I am sure they will do the same with Epstein. If he’s denied bail, he’ll never see trial.
If he doesn’t and am sure he won’t they need to arrest and turn the screws on Ghislaine Maxwell – she WILL sing like a canary to save her own ass. From what I have read she not only help procure and groom the young girls but took part in the abuse. He is not the weak link she is.
Maxwell lost a defamation case against a victim of Epstein, Virginia Giuffre, who said Maxwell recruited her to be a sex slave. Maxwell denied the claims so Giuffre sued. The case was settled out of court and the records sealed. Earlier this year the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit ordered some of the records from the lawsuit to be unsealed. The fact that Maxwell settled it the day it was supposed to go to trial tells you EVERYTHING. The evidence against her must have been damning.
Is worth noting that Maxwell is also a pilot. If they can’t get him to squeal, they should turn the screws on her – she was his pimp.
omg she is so disgusting and she needs to be in prison too.
Jail the entire black book and throw away the key. Child predators. These rich men didn’t think for one second they’d be caught, they didn’t think why is this middle school girl here doing this, they thought ohhh I’m such a big man to this little girl. They make me sick. I want them all on trial and publicity brought to shame for their crimes and put in jail. But that will never happen. I cry for our sick world
The pedo priests aren’t going to jail. I fear this will be the same. Epstein might go down but trump, Clinton, Andrew? I doubt it. Powerful white men rarely face consequences.
Epstein’s house was full of child porn after he (sort of) did time. He was so arrogant he thought his plea deal protected him from any future prosecutions.
I had a dream last night that I was pulled over for a traffic stop and the cop told me that trump was going to be arrested soon in connection with Epstein and that I should stock up on essentials and stay home because there would be riots. I can’t escape this bs, even in my dreams.
Oh my god. That is awful, sorry.
Do you have a history of premonitions? If that’s about to happen, I’d like to know too.
Three times. Once a friend’s pregnancy, once a different friend’s miscarriage, once the death of a hamster that was otherwise healthy. All dreams. So who knows?
I wish too, but DJT will not be arrested for any federal crimes while he is president. As was a point in the Mueller report, US Dept of Justice Policy won’t allow a sitting president to be charged with a federal crime, and with Barr as Attorney General, would never never never happen (Barr actually makes me nostalgic for Jeff Sessions).
Where are the Pizzagate wackos. Why aren’t they shreiking about an honest to goodness child trafficking ring. Dead silence.
I have seen people speculate that Pizzagate was planted for this exact reason. Trump obviously is a life long abuser of women, and there is plenty of evidence that he also abuses young girls. So they figured this would come up, and Pizzagate was so bizarre that it inoculated them. Everyone normal knew the pizzagate believers were wackos, so this would look like the exact same conspiracy nonsense.
And you know, this possibility really chilled me.
I read the same.
That is a lesson from the Russian propagandists – to accuse your enemy of what you yourself are guilty of, but make the story really over-the-top and unbelievable so that the impact is lessened if it comes back to you.
This makes sense, I guess, but I don’t think anyone but the looniest of the loons actually believed Pizzagate. So I’m not sure how effective it was.
I cannot believe this is real life.
Hence Donald’s oft made claim that Hillary only won because of illegals and invented votes.
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The pizzagate whackos are spreading a story that Trump gave investigators all the information against Epstein and that Trump has been fighting to save those girls for years.
They are spreading this malarkey with “court documents” that have never seen spellcheck
“Fighting to save those girls” by harrassing naked children at teen pageants, raping his wife, groping his daughter, sexually assaulting two dozen women, befriending no less than FIVE convicted paedophiles, endorsing a senate candidate too creepy for frickin’ Alabama, overseeing the systematic sexual abuse of caged children in concentration camps and giving a cushy job to a man who allowed a serial child rapist and sex trafficker to walk free after 13 months?
Well I’m convinced.
We need to reopen institutions for the insane. There is obviously a great need for them.
They are also spreading the lie that Mueller got Epstein the sweetheart deal because he was head of the FBI. Total lie.
Alex Acosta, who is currently serving under Trump, was the US Attorney in Miami at the time and was leading the prosecution. It was completely up to him. He cut the deal for Epstein. A federal judge recently ruled that Acosta violated the Crime Victims Act with the deal.
And yet, Fanny, Acosta STILL has his cabinet job, and NOTHING else is happening re: his violation (which is a BIG deal!). I truly just don’t understand it.
It’s like those redneck politicians who were caught in photos in blackface. They denied, denied, and finally came clean, and yet…it was on the front page for 1-2 days, and done! Gone, w/out a word. Everyone moved onto the next sh!t show this admin./republiTHUGS put out.
Sometimes, I feel like we’re spitting into the wind…
Thank you!!! Pizzagaters believe Trump is a golden god.
I saw a Twitter thread yesterday that suggested that Pizzagate was started as a way to deflect suspicion away from Trump for involvement in Epstein crimes. A reporter said as soon as she started looking into a missing persons report on “Maria” (possibly being the 12 year old victim and witness to rape of Jane Doe), the Pizzagate theory started. Maria was last scene at a pizza restaurant before she went missing.
…but this was all a twitter thread written by someone I don’t know. They posted photos of the missing persons report, but much of it was hard to read/unclear.
This is a long but scarily informative article on a young girl who was kidnapped in front of a pizza parlour in Waterbury, NY in 1993. Several of the young women who were forced into sex acts by Epstein and Trump mention her name and that she was one of the young girls they worked with. This cold case has now come under investigation again.
https://www.justice-integrity.org/1456-new-information-emerges-in-maria-story
Fundamentally, it’s because they don’t actually give a single sh-t about the truth, no matter what they might say to the contrary. Pizzagate and other similar conspiracies aren’t about finding the reality and making the world a better place. They’re about providing an ego boost to the dregs of society by making them believe that they know more than the average plebeian. When it comes to the actual reality of the world, they vanish because for all of their bluster, they have no fcking clue about what it actually means to confront evil. These things are just an overblown LARPing exercise for them, basically.
These are powerful, rich, white men. Nothing is going to happen to them.
Ever since Trump was elected, I feel like people have been holding their breath, waiting for the moment when he finally gets what’s coming to him. If you haven’t notice that the a entire set of rules have been created to protect him now and in the future, then I don’t know what to tell you. And in some ways, I envy that delusion.
Yeah, sigh. And him getting ordinary Americans, to whom he’d never give the time of day, to enable, support and protect him might have been the one genius thing he’s done.
At this point, the Evangelicals are saying that it’s a sign from God that he’s untouchable, rather than the truth which is that about 40% of the country only cares about keeping the racial hierarchy or paying as little taxes as possible. Literally everything else is negotiable to them.
https://twitter.com/nelsonwendella/status/1148270827609251842?s=21
The account has been suspended, Jerusha.
Leslie Wexner is the reason for Episteins wealth and connections, he gave him the NY mansion
Is that the Victoria’s Secret/Bath and Body Works guy?
Also they need to invade Epstein’s island, why won’t the media mention this?!
Off with their heads! You know which one I’m referring to. So tired of these animals getting away with ruining the lives of people with less power/money than is needed to protect oneself from them.
Let’s hope that in the wake of Weistein, Spacey and others that this will be taken seriously and all the disgusting men who participated in this will be brought to light and justice.
This man deserves whatever life in prison in general population brings him.
Yeah. The ones involved are not only politicians, religious leaders and celebrities but also academicians from Ivy League institutions.
I got a feeling this time Epstein will not get off so easily. But I don’t think Trump or Bill will get taken down even though both of them had to have known what was going on. Bill even went to Epstein’s parties where young girls were everywhere. Acosta has an interesting “excuse” as to why he negotiated an abysmal plea deal with Epstein but the way he negotiated it (in secret) may potentially get him in hot water. This case is just so nauseating for a multiple reasons – young victims were turned into pimps, powerful people turned a blind eye to what was going on or worse, participated in abusing young girls, and rich assholes again were able to prove that they can get away with anything. Ugh. If it weren’t for the hot shot reporter Julie Brown, there would be no continued investigation.
Trump went to his parties. Clinton claims he didn’t. However, I am willing to believe any woman who says she saw him there, so I am waiting for these stories. I believe the women. No doubt Bill is a liar, let me be clear. I am waiting to see.
So far those accused of rape by children who were at Epstein’s are Epstein, Trump ( a 12 yr old victim who has sworn affidavits from witnesses) and Alan Dershowitz.
In 15+yrs, Bill Clinton has not been accused of anything by these chiildren.
Not that someone couldn’t still come forward, but at this stage it hasn’t happened. It didn’t happen while HRC was running for Pres, I doubt it happens now. Though I’m sure Trump and Dersh would love BC in the rape mix to deflect from what they’re accused of by the girls/women.
Course whoever gets named should fry.
I noticed a lot of the comments here believe Bill did something wrong by flying in JE’s plane . As you said “Bill has not been accused of anything by these children”. However, one of the girls did accused Don the Con of raping her. I’m just saying we have to be careful of making assumptions. God knows some of these powerful men believes they can do anything and get away with it. Imo, we have to be careful saying Bill did something when he might have not, just saying. The story is bad and we have to make sure the truth comes out and the chip falls where they land.
This is me, too – if Bill did rape girls, throw the book at him (although if Donnie raped girls, can we throw the book at him twice for a sheer lack of redeeming values?), but the GOP has been on a three decade long smear campaign of the Clintons and the GOP clearly has connections to human traffickers. If Bill Clinton were guilty of rape or a minor, I kind of think they’d have used that info eons ago.
I could almost buy that Bill didn’t know at the time, this was 2001-2003. It’s possible he ended the relationship in 2003 because he was informed then. BUT…Epstein’s little friend, his chief pimp what’s her name, well she was at Chelsea’s wedding in 2010. This bothers me. I would like to hear a detailed explanation on this.
As to whether Bill partook…that’s a very open question. I just don’t know. We have never had an indication he was into underaged girls. But I am not naive and who knows what men get up to when no one is watching.
So, one thing that I feel has been undercovered…Kevin Spacey was a buddy. Is it possible Epstein also trafficked young boys? And the reason I ask this is because I KNOW in my bones Lindsey Graham is being blackmailed. No other explanation for his sudden about face after McCain died. Was McCain somehow able to protect him? You know what is crazy? None of the speculation is crazy! Because this is a case where the truth is going to be way more complex, shocking, and absolutely disgusting than anything anyone could invent.
I suspect Epstein provided whatever the client wanted. And with Graham, I suspect they were very young.
I think the same Lightpurple.
I agree as well. There is clearly some dirt on Lindsey Graham – at least, you know what, I hope there is, because I hope he’s not actively trying to destroy our country for tax cuts and abortion – and I think that Epstein could be the root of it.
We all *knew* this…. but we all thought the Russians were the ones with the incriminating evidence.
Another thing I “heard” out there: What if the infamous Dump “Pee” tape is actually “P” for “Pedophile”?? THIS is what is keeping Dump under control? Epstein is connected to Putin as well (though two VERY close intermediaries who have also have ties to Dump: Felix Sater, Nader, and I forget the other one).
The inter web of all of these men is mind-boggling!!
I tend to think the same. I generally shy away from speculating about these sorts of things but what’s happened to Graham is just too obvious. He’s being blackmailed and whether it’s boys, teenagers, men whatever..I do believe it has to do with his sexuality and it is something so shameful to him that he will do anything to keep it from coming out.
@(TheOG)@Jan90067 – I think the kompromat is him with Ivanka, no joke.
Bill knew. He has a SS detail for life. You think they don’t loon into people he’s associating with? He knew. SS knew. They didn’t care.
The statement released on Bill’s behalf goes into detail about foundation-related plane trips, etc., and specifically mentions his SS were with him on all his haunts. As if any of that precludes possibility of bad behavior.
“Oh, I was on charitable business and my service detail was with me, too!” Sure, Bill.
Ya plus his SS people have an odd susceptibility to sudden death.
And Kennedy’s SS helped him secret women in and out of the WH by tunnels. They will PROTECT the Pres. no matter what.
I think he knew that Epstein was into young girls (really, how could he not?) but I don’t know for sure whether he partook in any of it. He could just be the kind of asshole who takes the donation money and looks the other way. Not unusual in DC, sadly.
I sorta feel like the fact that she was at Chelsea’s wedding makes it less likely Bill was involved. If he was, wouldn’t he want to hide their relationship, especially on such a momentous occasion? I may be ascribing too much naivete to him (and me)…and if he’s guilty he deserves to face the consequences.
From what I have recently read, one of the young girls interviewed by the FBI and the reporter Julie Brown, said she saw Bill at Epstein’s parties or events where young girls were around but she never witnessed Bill getting chummy with any of the girls. And she said she never heard from any other girl that Bill had acted inappropriately towards them. So, maybe he just knew what Epstein was up to but didn’t have sex with any of them??? I’m hoping thats the case. Eek!
Any of this is possible. I’m being realistic and preparing for the worst but deep down I think Bill is a pig, but not a pedo. We’ll see I guess…
Whether Bill raped any of the girls or not, if he was there and saw what was going on, and said / did nothing he is just as bad. He’s not some powerless nobody who would have been ignored or not believed. Epstein could have been shut down years ago and countless girls would have been saved this nightmare.
No I don’t think Lindsey Graham is being blackmailed. It’s a nice thought that underneath it all he’s just trying to save himself from blackmail, but it’s much simpler. He’s like practically every other Republican in Congress– embracing that his party is now the Cult of Trump.
Sometimes I don’t think people realize that the most feverish dreams that the Republican Party has had for decades are ALL coming true these days with Trump. It’s a bonanza for them. They are eagerly willing to destroy democracy to get the goodies they want and remake the country to their specifications.
Well, let me be clear; I suspect Graham is a pedophile, Dennis Hastert style. I’ve believed that for a while, before this Epstein thing, and in fact, I assumed it was the Russians who had the goods on him (and it may still be). So I don’t think this is a nice thought. I think he is being blackmailed because he is a pedophile, the lowest form of life on the planet. I do believe your last paragraph about many of them, but it does not explain Graham’s aboutface once Mccain died.
Graham spoke against Trump until they went off and played golf. Ever since that day, Graham has done a complete about-face. I fully believe there is evidence against him and he’s being blackmailed. No sympathy for him of course, but something happened that day.
Yes I believe Graham is being blackmailed. It all started at the golf course.
No, Graham did his abrupt about face well before McCain’s death – it was immediately after he went golfing with Donald.
Evil, vile men all of them.
Man, I am sick of the BS in this country.
Epstein better get life in prison no parole.
Trump, and both the Clintons all turn my stomach. WTH, are they all psychopaths?
In my view, there isn’t a sentence harsh enough for Epstein the Vile. But let’s try! I’m hoping for a judge who not only puts Epstein away for life, but who has all his houses and investments sold and the resulting funds be divided among his victims…a sort of financial rape.
Hmmm… castration with a dull spoon? Then jail, for the rest of his life. Also, sell off ALL of his belongings and pay it all out to the girls who’s lives he damaged. That’s a good start in my book.
I’m trying to figure it what in the world Hillary Clinton has done to turn your stomach.
We’ll I voted for her because I thought she’d do a good job, and because it was a vote against Trump.
But I fully believe she knows a lot. She was the first lady, married to bill, the Secretary of State she is sharp as a tac and was running for president.
You can’t tell me she didn’t have bills life under a microscope and know everything about what he did/does and everyone he hung out with.
So yeah, she’s part of the corrupt machine, she knew.
I have a feeling this will be the one to bring it all down. I believe there are a LOT of very powerful men and women hoping like hell this guy makes bail and flees the country and will make sure he lives a quiet, cushy existence until an accident befalls him.
This man is no Heidi Fleiss, he isn’t going to fall on his sword and do significant time to protect others. He took a puny sentence in the past with no repercussions, I don’t see him accepting a life sentence (45 years) without naming names for clemency.
This. He isn’t going to take any responsibility on his own. He will bring others down with him. I read a statement from Christine Pelosi that said a lot of our favorites might be implicated in this. I wonder what she knows, and who she knows that is involved.
Didn’t bring down the Catholic church or other institutions.
Church attendance is down across the board, and their current clergy is aging out really fast w/ very few replacements in sight. I think they’ll die a slow but sure death as things go forward.
Doubtful. I’d be surprised if he actually does implicate others or even gets the opportunity to.
Unrelated, but it is so weird to see Melania’s original face. She was striking back in the day.
I was noticing that, too. She’s really wrecked her looks. Her eyes now are barely open, eek.
Yep her original face.
Her slightly more original face. I think she was well down the path of surgical intervention.
Everyone is running from him. Maybe he will be punished this time.
Honestly if all the Clintons go down with this guy I could care less. I will always be a Democrat but I’m absolutely sick of them. Bill is as dirty as they come.
Our society is committed to blaming the victim because it’s easy. Our legal system always defaults to protect the predator – even in cases of child rape it’s nearly impossible to get a conviction.
So Epstein and all of his friends took advantage of the circumstances and never thought there would be a day when people might give a crap. After all, the victims were just girls from low-income families – practically disposable in their eyes.
This has got to change. If they all have to go down, so be it.
To believe and support a victim requires action, while disbelief requires nothing in their part. That all of this went on for so long and No One ever spoke up for any of the victims says something about most of these people in power. It also says nothing good about our society when even children are not protected. It’s all very sad to me.
I’m feeling badly for Monica Lewinsky in all of this, too. Not that it’s the same, just- how many women& girls have been used by powerful men, it’s getting to me. I hate this.
Totally. It’s just so heart-breaking.
“how many women& girls have been used by powerful men, it’s getting to me.”
Me too. Last night I had a horrific dream about a predator being inescapable, and it rattled me so deeply. These men are finally being called on their actions, but so many are escaping serious consequences. It’s troubling.
She was young and stupid but of age and according to herself, she sought out that relationship. Still gross and monumentally idiotic of Clinton, but nowhere near approaching abduction and rape of minors.
And who is on the prosecution team?
James Comeys daughter!
There has been speculation for a LONG time (since like 2003) that JE was not actually a hedgefund manager but an international pimp to the ultra rich and powerful. Vicky Ward was writing an article for VF and had even spoken to a mother whose daughters had been exploited and raped by him but Graydon Carter killed the story saying that the information about the girls “wasn’t relevant” because it was a “financial piece”. It’s going to be very interesting to see how this unfolds and who (if anyone as I have zero faith in our system at this point) will be taken down.
I just wanted to add that this whole thing makes me feel so sick, I keep typing out comments and deleting them bc they just make me feel sick to write. I hope everyone who was involved with him, helped cover for him, all of it – I hope they all get exposed and brought to justice. The latter may be a pipe dream, but I can hope.
Same. It’s just too awful. I’m usually a good sport but even the Dershowitz jokes on twitter were getting to me. These monsters got away with the bag either because of their personal power or their usefulness to the corrupt neoliberal order. Disgusting.
Trump, Clinton, Dersh and all the other big names won’t go down. Epstien will take the fall for majority of them, if not all, will get a light sentence/pay his way out and in a few years we’ll never hear of this again. This is how the big machine works, sadly.
I’ve given up hope for any true justice. Maybe a special ring of hell is being set up for these creeps, but I’m losing hope on that too.
Clinton had sex with a young intern while president- he had no moral qualms about this.
As much as it pains me as a Hilary supporter and a flaming liberal elite, I seriously doubt he didn’t partake of the underage flesh buffet that was on offer at these parties. I don’t think Clinton considers women human beings.
The good news: Finally, bipartisanship.
The bad news: Everything else about it.
I hope Epstein sings like a caged canary and everyone involved, regardless of wealth, influence, political affiliations and talent goes down.
(And yes, I do have a rich fantasy life to think that will really happen. Thanks for noticing.)
His black book has a lot of surprising names in it. And his flight info too… I was most surprised to see Courtney loves name.
he called his plane Lolita express … hello we know what that means. So if someone like myself knows he’s a damn pervert you know his buddies bill and Donald and everyone else who flew in his plane to his private islands knows.
Of course they deny any knowledge of his crimes. Of course they’re all lying through their teeth. Of course Jeffrey Epstein, a rich, well-connected man, hung around with people in positions of power. It’s a small fcking world with the 1%. Everyone knows everyone, which means everyone knows everyone’s crimes, and everyone covers for everyone else so that no one has to deal with consequences for anything they inflict on innocent people. Everyone in Jeffrey Epstein’s circle knew about his criminal and disgusting behaviour. But they chose to look away. They chose to not give a shit while young girls from poor backgrounds were abused and exploited, because it was far more important for them to be friends with this man than it was to actually hold him accountable. And that’s the way it’ll always be with the rich and the powerful. When it comes down to choosing their wealth and privilege over doing the right thing, they will always choose their money.
Here’s the thing, if Bill is implicated I’m happy to throw him into the sun.
However, Ken Starr was part of the super shady plea deal agreement. I just have a hard time buying that Starr had a chance to see Bill go to jail for actual crimes & passed.
(That said, Ken Starr clearly DGAF about rape victims at Baylor, but I still think he very definately did care about taking down Clinton.)
This.
I talked about this with my trump voting dad on Saturday. Any question I had regarding trump was brushed off but Bill… well he’s a criminal and a pervert and he should be locked up! And it was all Hillary’s fault too!! I have no faith that anything will come of this. Even if it does and every last pervert is arrested and convicted I still don’t think it will matter to Trump supporters. It is profoundly gross and deeply disappointing.
This story will be in the news for a few days, and there will be speculation of who/what/where, but then it will just fade in the background. Some behind the scenes person will pick up the “slack” that Epstein left behind, and things will continue as before, except with a few location and transportation changes. Let’s not pretend “justice” will be served, because it won’t.
Well, they would, wouldn’t they?
I hope all of them are brought to serious justice.
Just read that while Clinton said he was only on four flights from 2002 to 2003, flight logs show 26 flights that Clinton was on from 2001 to 2003.
No, Clinton’s statement said he took four trips, not four flights. The statement says he made other stops on those trips. So, this is not being parsed correctly by our media, not a surprise, though you can be certain they won’t do this with trump’s statements.
it was to jefferey’s island where it’s rumored a lot of terrible things happened to kids.
This was a conspiracy theory that ended up being real.
What was in the “black book” that was mentioned? Names of the guys? Can’t they just go after all the names on the list? I want them all caught and I want them punished and destroyed.
Burn it all to the ground.
He’s no financier, he’s an extortionist:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-08/shtf-lets-revisit-jeffrey-epsteins-little-black-book
He’s dangerous because he knows too much on everyone and has lot of evidence on his hands. So there are only two outcomes imho – he will get granted bail and he comfortably disappears or an “accident” or “sudden heart failure” happens to him in prison.
He better hope he’s denied bail because given when he knows, if he is released, he may meet an ignominious end courtesy of the Russians.
The Russians have people inside as well, he’s not safe anywhere.
Don’t be so sure it will be by the Russians. We have dirty actors in this country in high offices.
How about Prince Andrew who was directly called out by a victim for having sex with her?!
Also, that photo of the foursome, lol! What does Melania smell?
I am at a point where I would like to have a few months of light emotional trauma as people we loved and trusted are outed and queasiness as details are shared but I WANT SUNLIGHT ON THIS. I don’t want these victims to have to live in the shadows, I don’t want this organized cabal running things while they traffic and trade these girls (and probably boys) escaping justice for life. I want the roaches exposed.
JE is a dead man walking. There is no way one of these guys doesn’t off him.
“Trump has/had “no relationship” with Epstein.”
*COUGH* *COUGH* *COUGH* bullsh-t *COUGH* *HACK* *COUGH* *COUGH*
Um…yeah, okay.
*cough*