As always in our sh-thole country, Donald Trump spent the weekend having various tantrums on social media. Like, a hurricane was blasting Louisiana, ICE was conducting raids all over the country and ripping communities and families apart, and VP Mike Pence was lying about the state of the concentration camps being operated by the federal government. But Trump wasn’t having a tantrum about any of that. Trump was too busy whining about how Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Rashida Tlaib of Michigan, Ilhan Omar of Minnesota and Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts all need to “go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came.” Yes, he just told four American citizens and American congresswomen – all women of color – to go back to their countries. This is what Trump tweeted:
So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly……
….and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how….
….it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!
What’s more painful, the thought that Donald Trump otherizes every black and brown person as inherently un-American because of their skin color, or the fact that he didn’t even write this sh-t himself, and that someone had to f–king cosign this message to the point where they tweeted it out for him? Donald Trump would never phrase it as “go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came.” Someone else wrote that. But it’s his sentiment. It’s his racism. It’s his perverse, disgusting idea. This country, my God.
They're from America, and you're right about one thing: Currently their government is a complete and total catastrophe. https://t.co/NvsnFSN8mb
— Hillary Clinton (@HillaryClinton) July 14, 2019
When @realDonaldTrump tells four American Congresswomen to go back to their countries, he reaffirms his plan to “Make America Great Again” has always been about making America white again.
Our diversity is our strength and our unity is our power. https://t.co/ODqqHneyES
— Nancy Pelosi (@SpeakerPelosi) July 14, 2019
Mr. President, the country I “come from,” & the country we all swear to, is the United States.
But given how you’ve destroyed our border with inhumane camps, all at a benefit to you & the corps who profit off them, you are absolutely right about the corruption laid at your feet. https://t.co/HLKQCotR8T
— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) July 14, 2019
You are stoking white nationalism bc you are angry that people like us are serving in Congress and fighting against your hate-filled agenda.
“America's answer to the intolerant man is diversity, the very diversity which our heritage of religious freedom has inspired.” -RFK
— Ilhan Omar (@IlhanMN) July 14, 2019
THIS is what racism looks like. WE are what democracy looks like. And we’re not going anywhere. Except back to DC to fight for the families you marginalize and vilify everyday. pic.twitter.com/vYzoxCgN0X
— Ayanna Pressley (@AyannaPressley) July 14, 2019
Photos courtesy of Avalon Red.
I really don’t think I can take a full eight years of this regime. I have no faith that he’ll lose next year and no hope that anyone will actually make him face consequences.
I hear that.
I was telling my dad that I suspect we will get four more years of this. The economy isn’t crappy enough. Gas isn’t $4 a gallon. Too many people are comfortable. The racism doesn’t matter, his supporters are either racists too, or they don’t care. My husbands whole family is Trump supporters. They don’t watch the news, have never heard of NPR, and could not tell you a single world leaders name (except maybe Putin). But they will keep voting for him because all is alright in their (white) world. Their factories are still open. They live in Ohio, a swing state. 80% of their county votes Trump.
The hope is not in converting 45 supporters, it’s in motivating the people, especially the young people, who did not vote last time vote this time. The 26% who voted for 45 are lost. We must focus on inspiring/motivating the 46% who didn’t vote in 2018. If even some of them turn out this time, we can turn the tide.
I live in the BC interior and gas is $5.36 a gallon. It’s sold by the litre @$1.37. Vancouver has gone as high as $1.70/litre, or $6.80 a gallon.
@Algernon a chunk of the nonvoters were Bernie or Busters.
I already see the Bernie or Busters saying they won’t vote again if Bernie doesn’t win the nomination. You truly can’t fix stupid. On either side.
To not care is to be a racist.
@Millennial Did we marry into the same family?! My in-laws are Trump supporters in Southern Ohio… but would swear they aren’t the least bit racist. I beg to differ….
I think the economy is a really weird animal this time around.
The stock market is doing great, and “unemployment” is down…but I don’t think quality of life is going up for the lower and middle class. These economic benefits are helping the already well off, but for the adults depending on the gig economy, things still suck for them. Agriculture has suffered incredibly this year, because of tariffs and weather.
I think Trump bragging about the economy might actually hurt him, because it doesn’t match the reality of a lot of Americans. The Retail Apocalypse might hit hard before Nov. 2020, as well.
Ohio is going to go through a lot of job losses with the GM plant closing in Youngstown. Not sure why they support a fool who made it easier for GM to open a plant in Mexico. GM is also closing a plant in Oshawa Ontario and people here are mad as hell. When auto company jobs leave that means feeder plant jobs also leave and people are stuck with service jobs at minimum wage if they are lucky. Ontario at least has health care mostly covered for people who will lose their job, but what will the people in Ohio have? Anyone who supports dump at this point is a racist moron. He has not brought jobs for regular folks. He has done nothing but incite racial hatred. Hope they enjoyed owning the libs because their lives will be miserable otherwise.
Team Algernon.
It’s disheartening. I was on social media the other day on a thread about the detention centers at the border and opined (like many others) and a MAGAt came at me with “Trump has done more for the blacks than any other president…” :-/ They love him. They swallow the propaganda hook, line and sinker. They parrot his racist speech (“the blacks”–really, in 2019).
It’s not just him. The trolls and the bots keep reinforcing this sh^t and it seems the Dems cannot find a way to counter this. The right wing propaganda game, with help from Russia and who knows who else, has been our downfall.
Was it a real person or a bot? Because I keep seeing that line being repeated on Twitter. Not that it would surprise me if it’s a real person as we know how delusional his supporters are..
Real person. A friend of a friend.
There seems to be a script. Trump himself has made that claim and it gets repeated endlessly by Nagini and her brothers and the likes of Charlie Kirk, Sean Hannity, and Laura Ingraham and Ryan Saavedra, then all their minions parrot it.
Yesterday’s script was that there is nothing racist in saying: “go back to your own country” to women of color.
Ugh. These f*cking people.
The mental gymnastics that were on display from the Deplorables yesterday were actually pretty impressive.
“He told them to leave but then said they can come back and make our country better. How is that racist?”
*facepalm*
I cried when I saw his tweets. There is no floor to Trump’s racism. It’s a bottomless pit.
There really is “no floor to his racism”. He wants to tell people (Americans) to go back where they came from, and I say right back atcha buddy! Because in my book he’s a demon straight from hell and he can just go back! The damage he has done to our country is incalculable, both monetarily and in terms of respect. My only solace is knowing that he absolutely will go down as the worst President in American history. Oh, and there’s the hope that his children end u in the pen.
And just to prove his racism is bottomless, Trump just changed the asylum regulations to make it basically impossible for people coming to the border to apply for asylum.
I also think that we’re in for four more years. Democratic leadership is banking on a 2020 win to fix this mess instead of doing the work to provide true oversight. These four women and some of the 2020 candidates who have come out for impeachment are the only people who are willing to fight.
I predict that voter turnout will be depressed in 2020. People won’t vote for a party that they view as complicit in enabling Trump’s continual lunacy.
Mostly just popping in to say ‘hey’ since I don’t see you around here as often, and these threads are horribly depressing. Hope everything is well with you <3
I've kind of just accepted that this will be an 8 year thing. I still have a glimmer of hope in my heart, but it's kind of fragile. I'm worried about what's going to happen with the Canadian elections as well, and the whole thing kind of just makes me sick.
Hi Erinn. I’m with you. Everything is so utterly demoralizing these days.
I’m not on here as much as I used to be because it’s mostly coverage of the royals. No shade because I know escapism and gossip can be a great reprieve from our current hellscape. But for me personally, I just can’t give two f*cks about Megan and Harry when the world is crumbling around us.
Hi all! I understand how you feel, but I am NOT giving up yet. We can’t. Please?! We have to hold on that glimmer of hope and do everything we can to NOT LET this happen again. Yes, it happened once. And yes, it’s bad. But if we allow this to continue into another term, we will be looking at a future for our country, our young people, ourselves to be subjected to TrumpKushners for far too long. Then it really will be too late. If, in the end, we do lose (please no) at least we can say that WE did not, do not, and never will accept this man and his shameless kids (not Barron, he’s alright, but the rest) or their ideology. And that we did everything we could to stop this. I know we have to be realistic and you all are right, he may win again, but HONESTLY, just from what I have seen and heard I think he IS LOSING some support. Serioudly. Not saying I am right, but I sure hope so, for all of our sakes. LOVE.
I agree totally with what Kitten has said…………………….I just can’t care about the worries of the wealthy and privileged as things deteriorate beyond repair for the many who cannot insulate themselves against the greed, racism, and destruction taking place.
I don’t add to the discussion because I don’t express myself well in writing and so many other celebitchies say it so much more eloquently. I am reading though, and I stand in support of most of what is said on these threads. Thank you all for your intelligence and empathy and to Kaiser for continuing to highlight these important issues.
I am trying to contain my depressing thoughts and will do my best to maintain hope that most of humanity will come to their senses.
Traveler, you express yourself beautifully! Yeah I too, read these posts for years, and loved them yet was a little worried about signing on. (LOL, and the first time I did, I messed up my screen name and sweet CB helped me fix that. Thank you CB and Kaiser 🙂 . And yeah I am depressed too, but we just can’t give up.
Kitten, I totally agree with you on not having interest in some of the fluff anymore because of how consuming politics has become.
Yes, the excessive coverage of the royals does not interest me that much either and that feeling is intensified even more when Trump does something particulary stupid, which I guess is every day. I know the royals are very popular and receive many comments on here but when I see, at times, four stories a day on them, it is too much for me.
Thank you Rise and Shine for the kind words.
And you are right, we can’t just give up. It’s an important battle fight.
I won’t be able to stand another 4 years of this train wreck either. The hatred and racism that he has created has clearly taken this country into a tailspin that we have never seen before. It will take decades for us to recover from this buffoon. I hope he is voted out in 2020, I truly do. I feel like we are living in the twilight zone and it’s just getting worse each day. We must ensure that we get people out to vote this next coming election. We are the laughing stock of the world.
Nobody is laughing anymore. My French family members are terrified about what this man has unleashed upon the world and I would imagine the rest of the world feels the same. He checks every single box on the Signs Of Fascism list.
“Nobody is laughing anymore.” You got that one right, Kitten.
SUCH an obvious ploy on Trump’s part to distract America from the fact that his buddy & “supplier,” sex trafficker and pedophile Jeffrey Epstein, is up for a bail hearing/prelim trial today. Everyone has known Trump’s a big racist for years – how is this news? But a pedophile who used Epstein’s “services” for years? While I believe the men in Trump’s evangelical “Christian” base might be OK with such behavior, maybe the women might not (you never know, though). Sure Trump is thinking about the pedo he endorsed for the Senate a couple of years ago – Roy Moore. Moore failed in his bid due to his unrepentant pedophilia. As with the Catholic child sex abuse scandal, pedophilia is the final straw (that is, when it is visited on white kids).
I really hope that he loses next year, because this country cannot take another 4 years of him, his thugs, and their anti-American policies.
I’m cautiously optimistic that the Democrats will get their ducks lined up and nominate someone who can beat him. I really don’t think that most of the serious contenders have too many differences on the important issues – the economy, restoring our tarnished reputation abroad, and treating all Americans, regardless of where they are from and how long their families have been in this country, with dignity and respect.
I’m in the Midwest and this current administration’s economic policies and tariffs are a slow brewing disaster for the region. We can’t export our surplus agricultural products to China and Canada because of his tariffs and trade wars, so prices are going down for most export products, including milk and soy beans. The cherished and very idealized Midwestern family farm is an endangered species due in part to this. If the current trends continue, I don’t see him winning the Midwestern states he won last time, including Wisconsin, Iowa, and Michigan. I also don’t see him winning Pennsylvania either.
I do worry more about the impact that his goons and thugs will have in the longer term on federal policy. The people that work for ICE and Homeland Security both setting policy and running the detention camps have been there a long time, since the GWB administration. It’s also going to take a long time to restore both some degree of political neutral views, professionalism and employee morale in other areas of the federal government that have seen wrecked by this administration as well.
There was an interesting, albeit terrifying, article in the WaPo this weekend about Mulvaney’s actions a CoS and how he stays away from the Trump circus to systematically try to dismantle all the regulations in place instead, and fast in case Trump only has one mandate. As I said, it’s scary because just like the SCOTUS nominations, the repercussions of such deregulations will affect the country, and the rest of the world, for years after Trump is gone. From the clean water act to endangered species protection, the damage will have been done and it’ll be difficult/impossible to repair even if the Dem won both chambers and the presidency next year. It’s really depressing, I don’t know how we’ll be able to explain this to our children or grandchildren.
Kellly, it will be really interesting to see if the farmers stick with Trump. His foolish trade policies and tariffs have really hurt them, but will his $30B handouts buy their loyalty? There’s also been so much flooding, I wonder if they will excuse Trump’s actions and blame the problem on the weather.
Of course, when Trump insulted POWs while in Iowa during the 1st election, I thought they would drop him then, but no.
Vile pos. It’s like the bizzaro world we’re living in that this is our president.
So Trump and his white racist people will go back to Europe then?
Please keep them. We have enough of racist idiots already.
And Melania and her family will go back to wherever she’s from?
No f*cking way are we taking him. Love, Germany.
Sounds about white, and water is wet. Is anyone surprised by this? No. I don’t know why anyone is ever surprised ever about anything white people do or white supremacy – do people not read history books.
I live in a constant state of embarrassment for other white people. Growing up I never really got just how much privilege being white bought me, but the older I get and the more I expand my knowledge, the more it’s clear. And it’s disgusting, and frustrating, and I just constantly find myself wanting to apologize for all the sh-t white folks out there. I think the only good to come out of this kind of thing is that the people who WANT to support others and be better allies are genuinely starting to learn how to better do so and when we need to shut up.
Racist gonna racist and all, but there’s interesting timing on this. It sure is a convenient distraction from the Epstein case.
I was thinking the same thing about this and the Area 51 nonsense.
I kinda do want to see a bunch of conspiracy loons storm Area 51, though. Imagine the photo ops.
There are really only two things that Trump is wildly successful at:
1) Sowing hate, fear, and division.
2) Manipulating the news cycle as a means to distract from his crimes.
Targeting these women serves both purposes. He has a vested interest in siding with Pelosi on the “Dems in disarray” narrative and a vested interest in launching a public attack on the women who are pushing for his impeachment. The racism is just his usual calling card.
Someone answered my question further down
@Rapunzel, he knows what he did. If what is rumored about the 13 year-old is true, and if Epstein’s really going to name names, then now is a good time to remind the base that Brown people are the target. But this is part of the chaotic environment 45 thrives in. Keeping everyone off balance has always helped him with plausible deniability and normalizing monstrous behavior.
And Trump has minority supporters. They are nativist, but maybe the attack on these congresswomen will wake them up if they see themselves in these representatives. But I suspect that the conservative policies he’s rammed through make them all so happy that they will remain lockstepping beside people who hate them.
I have a family member visiting from Europe right now. He has lived in the US before but not under Trump.
So he comes down and sits in the living room and says “surely Trump will lose a lot of republican support, surely they must make statements and distance themselves, after this. This is just too much, he can’t get away with this. This has got to be it, right?!”
My husband and I just sat there, dejected, trying to find the words… we have thought that over and over. This has got to be it… he can’t keep support after this… he’s just so obviously an unamerican, dangerous racist.
But we told him… nothing will change. Nothing Trump says or does matters. It’s so depressing and I feel helpless and so so ashamed of this country and just so sad.
It is unbelievably depressing, every single day. I feel for you, trying to find words to describe to your relative just how horrible it is.
As appalled and hopeless as I felt yesterday, I have to say the responses from all of them gave me hope. And Hillary…her response says it all.
Hillary’s response was perfect
Hillary’s response was really good.
It really was great.
What makes me feel even more depressed and hopeless is thinking about what happens AFTER the Cheeto Mussolini administration. Most of this country already has serious PTSD, and we have hurt so many international relationships that I fear we will never fully recover.
One thing I know for sure: we will never have the same standing in the world we once had.
I also think you will find a lot of countries will welcome a new administration and an actual leader with open arms.
I have a question while I have you on the line, Bearcat, if you’re not busy. What would you say to someone if they told you they wanted to become an American citizen, or dual citizenship? If I recall correctly, you have done a lot of immigration work. Would you recommend it?
The only truthful thing Trump has ever said is that he could murder someone in Time-square and his voters will still stand by him. He was 100% right. To them he is their folk hero who none of the rules of society apply to.
Man, can I relate. We really are an embarrassment of a country right now, aren’t we? I’ve been in this exact situation – when I hear some foreign friend talk about how hilariously unacceptable Trump is is as a President and how f*cked he is for the next election and I’m just sitting there like… sigh… how can I explain all the awful things about him are what make him popular.
He needs to be impeached. 1. He is a criminal who has committed conspiracy in plain sight & I believe colluded with an enemy.(i.e. Putin’s little bitch) 2. It allows all documentation available free of court challenge 3. It will make the case of his crimes against the Constitution to the American public who didn’t (or can’t) read the Mueller Report or only watch Fox News & most importantly 4. History needs to show he was held accountable for his crimes whether or not the republicans do their job in The Senate.
The most disappointing part of all is the complete lack of action by those who swore to defend the Constitution
All of this. I am so damn tired.
The writing is on the wall now. Don’t impeach and we lose in 2020.
I worry that some 2018 blue wave voters will be so disappointed that they won’t bother in 2020. Not impeaching sends a basic signal that both parties’ leadership believe everything is acceptable.
Agreed. I don’t see how Dem candidates will get young and occasional / low-information voters to the polls without an impeachment inquiry to lay out all the evidence in wall-to-wall televised coverage and make it clear that party leadership will fight for the people against kleptocracy and fascism. Even if the battle is lost in the Senate, it is necessary for winning the war of the 2020 election. If Trump wins in 2020, oligarchy will become fully consolidated in the U.S. until removed by massive civil unrest, which would be a horror show for everybody, especially people of color.
I missed Hillary’s response, she remains awesome. I unapologetically stan that woman. I got off twitter for the weekend once I saw what he wrote. I just felt my whole insides crater, and I thought I need to step away. I need to get some sun. I need to feel life not the death rattles that accompany anything trump says or writes. Of course, he was still here when I returned.
This is what AOC means when she says people like Nancy Pelosi, who are not considers racist stoke racism. She singled out four women of color and then days later Trump goes after those exact four women? Ayana Presley wasn’t even on Trumps radar until distraction Becky comment. People not considered racist can be as problematic in how comfortable they are talking to WOC when they would haven’t had the nerve to do that to a white man/women
Yup. The Pelosi Army will likely come for you but you are not wrong at all. Between all four women, they represent over $3M voters in their respective districts. They are doing the brave work that we elected them to do.
I am so damn happy to have voted for Ayanna. She’s turning out to be a real force to be reckoned with.
This exactly! I’m sorry but Pelosi deserves none of the kudos she has been getting. She just couches her racist bs in language that is more acceptable to her base. She is pretty cowardly in my book. Her and Hilary who I’m not entirely conviced didn’t know about all this Epstein stuff that’s happening now
Trump is a racist, we know that. But his tweet attacking the congresswomen is meant mainly to distract from explosive news of his close relationships with Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. Also, it’s becoming clear that the Justice Democrat funded politicians are spending even more time fighting with Pelosi than Trump these days, and they seem determined to keep themselves in the news. I’m wondering if a “controlled opposition” situation maybe be happening in some cases? Trump really, really needs the Democrats to keep fighting amongst themselves and get weaker.
^^^^ yes!
Agree 100%. If my less well worded post doesn’t get through, a lot of this is what I was trying to say. And yes to the diversion from Epstein. Absolutely.
Apparently, Pelosi needs that in-fighting as well. After all, Pelosi’s a smart lady who knows that beginning impeachment hearings would bring an end to the dissention within the party yet she still refuses to go forward. Makes you wonder why.
I don’t think impeachment hearings would bring an end to distension within the party. So far, only 83 dems have publicly stated they are for impeachment, which is a definite minority of the house dems. There are plenty of moderates especially those who swung r seats to d in 2018, who don’t want impeachment. Ms. Pelosi has a tightrope to walk and I do not envy her.
It’s all just analysis paralysis at this point. Strategy and party politics instead of the moral imperative. It will depress the vote particularly among independents like myself. Most of us are NOT libertarian (like so many seem to believe) but are apolitical or just really frustrated and disillusioned with the two party system. Many of us are inconsistent voters and many of us believe that both parties are beholden to large donors. For the most part, we are a politically cynical group that tends to view politicians as being more concerned with retaining seats and holding power than doing right by their constituency. Pelosi’s inaction only serves to reinforce that idea.
And I get that people “stan” Pelosi but her political calculations add up to nothing more than a dangerous gamble. If Trump wins in 2020-and I believe he will-he will know that he’s virtually unstoppable.
Pelosi doesn’t have the votes to go forward with Impeachment & McConnell has already stated it’s dead on arrival in the Senate. There could be all the evidence in the world against Trump… McConnell will not bring it forward in the Senate. So, I’m not sure what anyone wants from her…an exercise in futility? Yes, she’s going to protect everyone in her caucus. Progressives & Moderates…of course it’s about politics as much as it’s about legislating. You don’t get to where she’s at without knowing the game. You can be frustrated with her all you want but until Republicans grow a spine & sense of morality…I don’t see anything changing. Even with hearings. You’re not going to change anyone’s minds about Trump. Least all of anyone in the Senate.
I know she doesn’t have the votes and I don’t GAF. I’ve heard every one of the strategies and reasons why we shouldn’t impeach and it’s all just bullshit at the end of the day.
Nancy knows it.
People who support Nancy even know it.
Impeachment is the RIGHT. THING. TO. DO. Period. No further analysis is necessary.
And the more moderates insist that Pelosi’s some brilliant 3D chess-playing strategist who isn’t showing her cards because she’s a *genius* the more I know that her line of bullshit is working on you. Nancy hasn’t done one single thing to curb this administration’s continual assault on our democracy. Nor has Chuck. Dem leadership like Nadler or even Neal are just as useless. Nancy is hoping you’ll believe that impeachment is a waste of time so she doesn’t have to do the work. She wants to placate you all with useless go-nowhere hearings and subpoenas that are ignored, until 2020 when she’s counting on YOU to be responsible for fixing this mess. Why do we even elect leaders if they can’t do the hard stuff?
And I gotta say that it’s interesting to observe from the perspective of an independent: you guys want the Dems to be more like Republicans. You want them to close ranks and silence dissention. You want blind allegiance and homogenous thinking.
I get it.
I just have to say that the blind allegiance of Republicans actually terrifies me and if that’s what moderates strive for then I’m happy to see AOC and the freshman class pushing away from that. Nancy’s values and priorities don’t reflect mine but AOC’s do. That’s also why I will continue to support Congresswoman Pressley. She’s doing exactly what I voted for her to do.
An impeachment won’t get past the Repub-controlled Senate now, so bashing Pelosi for using the brakes is silly & naive. The House alone can’t do it.
An unsuccessful attempt to impeach will bring embolden the Trump & his minions, bringing out more Magas and could easily more backfire into 4 more years of disfunction.
I’m with Nancy on this. We can’t go for impeachment until a win is a sure thing, which it isn’t now.
Btw, @ Kaiser: “As always in our sh-thole country, Donald Trump . . .”
Please tell us that “sh-thole” is a misplaced adjective? Our country isn’t the “sh-thole.” That descriptor applies to Trump, imo.
Sigh. Please don’t reply to me if you’re not going to bother reading what I wrote.
Since you missed it:
I DON’T GAF IF IT DOESN’T MOVE PAST THE SENATE.
IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
THAT’S why you do it: because it’s the goddamn right. thing. to. do. It’s the moral imperative.
But if you’re hellbent on making this about “smart political strategy” (ugh), his entire base believes that Dems aren’t impeaching because they don’t have enough to impeach. Want to know how to move the needle of public perception? BEGIN IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS so that people can HEAR the Mueller report (you know, the thing that nobody’s ever read?) and get all of Trump’s crimes on court record.
I honestly blame Twitter and social media to a degree. It’s what makes average normies think that they’re political strategists and analysts.
Everyone’s a freakin pundit.
Nobody cares about doing the right thing anymore, it’s all about seats and votes and winning and power. People can’t even see the forest for the damn trees SMDH.
Thank you kitten, IMO, the right thing to do is start the impeachment process so the country can hear what this man has done selling out our country and being an illigimate president.
Bill Clinton went through the impeachment process although the senate did not vote to remove him from the office, they could do the same thing here. Bill has to carry that stain with him for the rest of his life. Don the Con should carry that stain in his record for the rest of his life. IMO, Nancy is taking a chance that if he’s not impeached he will be voted out. How will she know what will happen next year November. Btw, I know the Senate will never impeach him even if he shot someone on 5th Avenue in Manhattan, but he should face impeachment because it’s the right thing to do, IMO.
Kitten we all know you don’t GAF & what you want & what you think is personally the right thing to do…but you know what? It won’t change a damn thing. The fights for Trump’s taxes, the hearings that have occurred have changed very little & no one cares enough to pay attention to what Trump does on a daily basis much less what he did during the campaign. Call me cynical but it doesn’t mean anything & while you want hearings because it’s about morality for YOU…HIS BASE is waiting. The needle won’t change, it will move backwards & Democrats will be seen as obstructionists. I’m sorry, I feel differently. I want Trump to fry but it won’t happen. No one cares about what he does enough.
Sigh. I don’t know which of you are right, I don’t which side is right, and I personally don’t think anybody knows. I have seen convincing cases made that the swing districts will flip and we’ll lose the house if we impeach. And what will that gain us? But my heart is with impeachment and I often an be swung that way too. I will just say again, Pelosi is walking a tight rope and I would not want to be her. You don’t have a crystal ball? Then you don’t really know. None of us do. That’s why I am already making plans to hit PA personally in 2020, going door to door. Action relaxes and destresses me. Then if all goes the worst way, canada 2021. But I am going to make my last stand here first. I am not going to waste time arguing over whose way is the best, because I openly admit that I don’t know.
“It’s all just analysis paralysis at this point. Strategy and party politics instead of the moral imperative.”
Honestly, that is where *I* am at this point.
I can’t handle another 4 years of this monster, so I am focused on strategy above all else. The impeachment question gnaws at my soul. On one hand, if we don’t call him out on his criminal behavior, it sets the bar even higher for impeachment for future presidents. My gut tells me we are obligated by principles to impeach. On the other hand, if impeachment process is treated with the same shrug that the Mueller Report was, would we be blowing the election for no reason? What will the impeachment process amplify: evidence of wrong doing, or partisan bickering?
I honestly think that the Democratic Party has the policy ideas that would most appeal to voters if we could just get them to vote based on policy. Our country is being ground down by corporate interests, and I think the Dems actually do what Trump said he would do: stand up for the little guy.
I see it both ways Darla but I also know many people who don’t care. Healthcare was voted as the #1 priority of voters in 2018, not impeachment, especially the districts that flipped blue. Many people commenting here don’t care about that but I guess having the the moral superiority is more important than actually winning elections. We’ll see if it costs Pelosi the majority or not.
Tiffany, well stated. Purplehaze, you are absolutely right about the health care issue winning us 2018, and no one talks about that anymore. They seem to have convinced themselves it was a referendum on impeachment (i talk about this a lot with people IRL and none of them ever mention this!), but the facts say otherwise, so we are left again, with guess work on impeachment. I am as torn as Tiffany. I don’t see the point in arguing it, we just all have to work, and I pretty much think everyone here is doing that already.
Yes, sickening and ridiculous.
And so over the top it is clearly to distract people from the ICE raids going on. And to help normalize the racist rhetoric and activities that are becoming the norm under this regime.
@Alexis 37:
“I unapologetically stan that woman.”
ME TOO!
Ms. Hillary and Ms. Nancy! I make no apologies!
Me too. I may question some of Pelosi’s strategies, but I have no proof she’s wrong, and I never impugn her motives.
Shame on those who turn a blind eye to his hate. Shame on those who thrive off of his hate. I would like to say America is better than that but clearly……
God, this is so depressing. I know I am ultimately responsible for my own happiness, but f**k Donald Trump, his confederacy, and his voters. I shudder at the thought of another four years of this. It’s bad enough that he will have taken four years of our lives that we’ll never get back.
Me too, but I’ve got a bad feeling that that is exactly what’s going to happen. It’s like nothing sticks to this man and he’ll never be truly held accountable for anything. At this point his racist lashing out at those congresswomen like this doesn’t even carry the shock value it should, even though it’s still infuriating.
I found this Tweet really chilling. He’s progressed from demonizing immigrants to demonizing citizens with the “wrong” immigrant parents: https://twitter.com/ruthbenghiat/status/1150464759059439616
I saw this too. My mom just renewed her green card and lives in a state of perpetual fear that Trump will turn on green card-holders and claim they are *non-Americans*. She’s been fearing this since he was elected and in the beginning I told her “No way. You’re an old white lady. You’re French. You are not his intended target” but now I don’t dare say anything because I can’t lie to her. I don’t know what Trump will do next and nothing would surprise me.
Thank you for your coverage of one of the most disgusting statements made by this man. Thankfully we have a good number of compassionate legislators who clarify and rebut his remarks. What a horrible thing to say. So un-american. I can not condone any more of his actions. I am joining a grassroots organization that is registering people to vote. This must end.
Thank you.
He revisited this filth again last night and once again this morning. And he’s demanding that all four of them apologize to Israel because somehow Israel now feels abandoned by the US because of them. Clearly, Nagini’s multiple tax payer funded visits haven’t been enough to make Bibi Netanyahu feel loved.
And what are the Republicans doing? Lindsey Graham thought last night would be the appropriate time to tweet a picture of himself golfing with Trump yesterday morning with a comment that Obama’s Iraq policies were “dumb” and Trump’s are ‘much smarter.” Black man dumb, orange guy smart. They’re letting their racist flags fly freely.
They are. And Trump’s policies have actually allowed Iran to enrich uranium and put them on the fast track for nuclear weapons. Really smart.
Mark Morgan, acting head of CBP, was on Face the Nation yesterday. He blathered on about the immigration crisis, then was asked about Asshole’s remarks. Twice the cowardly weasel responded, “You’ll have to ask the president what he meant.” Apparently, to be a Republican means you have to have your spine(and balls)removed.
He didn’t write that screed, it’s too complicated and contains grammar that’s beyond his third-grade capacity (“in which”). One of his Nazi staff, probably Stephen Miller, typed it for him Distraction from Epstein, E. Jean, census, etc.
As a Duke University alumna (I graduated several years earlier than Stephen Miller), I can attest that he does not represent the values taught there. He is a stain on the Blue Devil family.
I was writing the same thing as you posted, I think. It’s Stephen Miller.
Yes Marjorie. You are so right. This is a distraction, just like the fake ICE raids, but what he distracts with–his shiny objects–are existential threats. Sigh. He’s so good at manipulation.
No Republicans, not a one, have denounced this. Not Mitch McConnell who is married to an Asian woman, not Ted Cruz who is Latino and has immigrant parents and was born in Canada, and not Ben Carson, who is Black. I thought there might be some hollow protestations but nope. The only one to speak out was the man who left the party to become an independent…and is a racialized person of Middle Eastern descent I believe.
Very telling.
Remember when Romney was saying he’d show that some Republicans still have decency and he’d stand up to Trump? The little coward totally silent today, just like all the others. They can all go to hell (where they most likely come from anyway)
Or Mark Meadows, who was born in France. Or Dan Crenshaw, who was born in Scotland. Hmmmm, I wonder…
Imo I don’t believe the country can take a second term of this s#%t. If we believe the last 2 1/2 years of this s%*t is bad, can you imaging what he would do in his 2nd term? I have a feeling he would refuse to leave the office. He’s been sending out little hints to see if people will accept him as pres for life. We are in dangerous times and everyone needs to wake up and see we are in danger of being ruled by a dictator.
People forget this man’s father was arrested at a 3K rally back in the day. Also, Don the Con called poor countries Sh$t hole countries and. He was fined by NYC for discriminating against black people seeking to rent apartments in his buildings. The people saying “ I can’t believe he said that” are living in another world. When someone show you they are, believe them the first time.
I have doubts he will live through a 2nd term, simply because i do not believe his health is good. But here is what I do think will happen: he is going to make Ivanka VP so she can be the first woman president when he steps down for health reasons. His narcissism extends to his daughter who he feels is his creation. This is what they’re going to do to us, and it has that extra spitefullness of “oh you wanted a woman president right? well you got one!”. And they love spite. I am 100% convinced this is coming and it’s why I’m making plans to move to Canada, where I will simply come back and forth as needed to ensure I am not kicked out of there. But it will be my main residence.
This is exactly what I think is going to happen. Originally I figured he would replace Pence with Nikki Haley but now I’m certain it will be with Ivanka. He’ll resign (or die) before his term is up so she can become president and then run herself in 2024. By that time, we won’t have anything like free elections in this country so it’s game over. The White House becomes the Trump House.
Yes, Louisa, exactly. I believe there is a better than 50% chance this is our future. I don’t know the exact odds, but there are decent odds this is how it plays out.
I am an American living in Canada almost 7 years now! Welcome.
Which part of Canada are you in, if you don’t mind my asking Andrea?
Toronto, Ontario
Where POSOTUS needs to go
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bz68roSHiX8/?igshid=19y6pnh9ofze5
Celebitchy rules don’t allow me to post what I hope happens to him, but you can bet non-religious me is praying for it every day.
Each day this asshole becomes even more pathetic.
My guess is that Stephen Miller is the one who wrote that tweet.
Yeah! He’s the puppet master for these racist tweets and policies
That’s what my mom said. She said Trump isn’t smart enough to know big words like “catastrophe” and what it means LOL.
yes, he has a very limited vocabulary, that’s what makes this obvious.
I agree with you that impeachment is the right thing to do, regardless of whether or not the Senate would kill it. IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
I think the Democrats will win the White House. The support base for Trump really isn’t that big. They may the most vocal but their voices aren’t strong enough. It is the silent majority who will cast their votes for anyone other than Trump. You don’t hear them on the news or written about to any great length or commented too much. The silent ones will have their votes matter the most. At this point, does it matter who becomes the new President? Not really. There’s change and the established straight, white old men are beginning to look over their shoulders now that society itself is changing as well.
I tend to agree. I believe we are being attacked by “Despair Dezinformatsiya.” This is a tool of Putin’s hybrid warfare, that Trump uses repeatedly. I believe that he began being trained in these tactics as early as the late 1980s, after his first visit to Soviet Moscow. It was in 1989 that he paid $85,000 to put ads in all of New York’s most popular newspapers, calling for the death penalty for the young black men falsely accused in the Central Park jogger case. Russia has amplified American racism for decades, because they know it’s divisive. Trump’s birtherism message against Obama is clearly something they helped to craft. We have to learn how to spot these methods.
NY Times story explaining this KGB propaganda technique:
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/29/world/europe/russia-sweden-disinformation.html
Trump and Fox News viewers should eliminate all crime committed by white people, then they can show everyone how it’s done.
But they won’t do anything because it’s easier to sit on their a***s in front of the tv and complain about “Detroit,” “Philadelphia,” or whatever minority Fox has decided to scapegoat that week.
I can’t help but laugh (otherwise I’ll cry) at the delusion that we’ll have to endure “another four years” of this. Wake up, he ain’t leaving. The minute he leaves office, he’ll be open to prosecution for a litany of crimes. He’s looking to extend his time in office for as long as he can. 2020 is our last shot and even if he’s voted out, so what? The supreme court and Senate is in his favor. He’s already made it known he’ll contest the results should he lose. Let’s not forget his “president for life ” comments.
Welcome to the authoritarian states of America.
To the shock of no-one, Trump has decided doubling down is the way to go here, he is currently doing a sun-downing hard racist on twitter. I look forward to more hand-wringing from Democrat leaders.
Maybe Nancy and Chuck will send us a donation link. That’ll show Trump.
I expect more to leak about how AOC is killing the party what with her doing her job and calling fascists fascist, how dare she?
Yeah why can’t AOC just shut up, let the racist race-bait, and stop making waves.
Nancy wants you to know about all the great things being done in the House because maybe then you’ll stop demanding impeachment. :/
https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/status/1150554338579963905
Let’s call our senators and representatives. I’m so pissed about snout mouth telling these representatives to go back to their countries. I just got off the phone with staff at my representative’s office and they were on it first ring. Earl B’s folks say he’s signed onto a bill with the frosh group regarding impeachment investigation. I say we light this shit up more than the whole John McCain debacle. We need to support the Constitution.
I’m with you. My rep is Ayanna. Sen Warren is for impeachment but I think I will call Sen Markey this afternoon. He’s been wishy-washy.
Markey is up for re-election next year and has a primary challenger. He’s firmly anti-Trump so it shouldn’t take much to get him to call for impeachment.
Trump should go back to his own country, to the Land of the Grifters, instead of stirring up racial hatred that is like meat and bread to his deplorable cult worshipers.
His wife #3 should go back and take her parents with her.
That tweet is so vile I’m actually nauseous.
BTW Nancy Pelosi should STFU : she repeatedly tried to undermine and discredit those same 4 congresswomen in the recent past…
Agreed! That really bummed me out. Why can’t she embrace the new congresswomen? Why can’t she try to united the party?? She is turning out to be a spineless, distracted, kinda-clueless leader.
Impeach already
My first thought when I read those tweets yesterday was this has got to be a distraction from Epstein. I think that was the #1 goal of it. I think there are other things that call for distraction right now but the link to a known pedophile who probably has photo evidence of lots of other pedophiles including president lard ass requires a big dose of distraction and boom, a series of openly racists tweets to drum up lots of attention to anything but Epstein.
I’m eagerly waiting to see what happens with Epstein’s bail hearing, which I think is going on right now. If this scumbag gets bail he is going to skip the country. If he faces some actual justice a lot of very powerful people are likely going to be doing lots of really stupid stuff. Alan Dershowitz is already making gross claims about keeping his underwear on during a massage he got in Epstein’s rape mansion. This week is going to be weird.
We’re in for another 4 years of this. From the “my vote won’t really count, anyway” folks to the Bernie or Busters, there are too many folks bent on not voting. It’s really depressing and I’ve been getting physically ill over these latest developments. My husband and I are seriously considering leaving the country if this nightmare continues.
Oh I agree. The failure to renew the voting rights act has kept so many non-whites from the polls, and at the same time you have white people bernie or busting, or saying if pelosi doesn’t impeach they won’t be inspired to vote. I vote every single year, no matter what. But I know that my fellow white people need roses and champagne and what all else, and that’s why the smart money is; get out of dodge. Make plans now.
I hear a lot of ‘hopes and prayers’ that Trump won’t be here for 8 years. How about getting out and VOLUNTEERING for a decent candidate. Don’t just be an internet activist, be a real one and actually work to save the country. Make sure you are registered. Help others register. Do everything you can. Complaining on a forum where everybody agrees does no good at all.
You must be new here. Plenty of people here DO volunteer and are politically active on the ground. This forum, thanks to CB and Kaiser and their team, does help in that it gives people a place to vent, a place that can feel safer than real life, where many friends and family members tragically just don’t get it.
True, true, Esmom
That’s true Tim. I’m investing in the closest swing state, which I think is going to end up being Pennsylvania. It’s gonna depend on the numbers, but I think it will be PA. I am going to knock on doors there every weekend in 2020. We all need to adopt a swing state this time around, if we can, or, to the extent that we can. If you can’t go there, or donate, then make calls from home to that state. Do something though
Thank you for the reminder. Taking action is so important, and it isn’t as difficult as a lot of people would assume.
I think once the primaries narrow the field down a little bit, it will be incredibly important to volunteer as much as possible.
Here in NY , he was a tabloid joke for 30 years. Back then he was even a democrat. He plays to his base in the most vile racist manner.
I don’t believe he truly believes his own rhetoric. It’s a means to pander to his deplorable base. I’m sure Hilary has had not one moment of peace since she lost to this cretin.
BY the way I think Ivanna would have been a kick ass great First Lady . Not like the call girl immigrant he’s married to.
Trump is hoping to make these Congresswomen targets for his vile base. I bet they’re already getting death threats.
I live in Rashida’s district and she send the BEST email yesterday afternoon about this.
The idea of Trump winning the next election off the back of this rhetoric is a scary one indeed. For if he gets elected what does that say about America? Scarier still is that he won’t need to be mindful of getting re-elected so he’ll just do whatever the f*ck he wants.
Yeah, he deserves to go back to Scotland for that,, maybe he will in his next life and he’ll look to America with awe and envy, for it’s generosity and multiculturalism. Yes, I’m saying Scots are inclined to mean, that’s why they run the hardcore debt collectors and government offices here in the UK, ask anyone, but you may not get an answer because those Scots can be scary.
They don’t scare me, my mother danced the Highland Fling, it’s a no touch dance of Scotland, so I shall say what I like!
Yes, The Donald fails us sometimes, mayube he lacked a lesson in kindness or something, or maybe his publicists are trash, that could be reality, maybe he didn’t talk mean trash at all, I couldn’t be bothered to read whatever or trawl through his long speeches, all so open to interpretation from any angle when analysed for correctness.
Political brilliance comes at a price and it’s about time Donald started correcting these horrible headlines, or we shall be laughing at him forever. Personally, I don’t care to do that because I see the good in him,, however he bumbles at times, bees bumble and I love them too.
He’s the man people really do smile about, is it because he’s a clown character or a nice guy?
A nice daft clown maybe? I give him the benefit of the doubt and don’t have him on the nasties list, that’s for sure.
I am actually glad he said what he said. Now I can move on from the debate with the Trump supporters in my family as to whether he is racist or not. His statement leaves no doubt that this president is outright racist.
I still am utterly demoralized with the fact that this human pile of hatred-spewing garbage is in charge of this country. He CANNOT be re-elected. I beg you all. Vote for change.