I’ve been saying this since last year, but I’ll say it again: Prince Charles and the Clarence House courtiers have absolutely had a hand in smearing the Duke and Duchess of Sussex. Both William and Harry know that their father and their father’s “people” will sell them out at any time, because it’s happened before many times. In the past year, I would say that it’s mostly about Prince William’s freakouts though, and then Charles gets to “step in” and try to make peace between the two camps, Camp Sussex and Camp Cambridge. Charles wants to be SEEN as stepping in, like he’s the mature, future king who can solve these family squabbles. Well… what happens when some of Charles’ work is being overshadowed by his sons?
Royal sources have also told The Sun that the Prince of Wales is worried about his youngest son in the same way he used to fear for his ex-wife Princess Diana. Charles is adamant he has supported Prince Harry and Meghan Markle and was let down when his daughter-in-law, 38, cancelled a meeting with him at the last minute. However the future king — who yesterday dropped in on the Welsh rugby team in Tokyo — will continue to defend them publicly.
We can reveal the Queen wants Harry, 35, and William, 37, to rise above their issues and focus on their strong family ties. The monarch remains close to Harry given they both live on the Windsor estate. But she does not want to be dragged into the mess and is deferring to Charles, 70, to help bring her grandsons back together. However, it was not helped by the briefing from sources close to Harry and Meghan that claimed they have single-handedly modernised the institution. Some took it as a direct attack on the Queen — and were furious that it completely overshadowed Charles’ work overseas, as well as William and Kate’s.
A royal source revealed: “The Prince of Wales is very busy at the moment touring Japan, including a visit with the Welsh rugby team. But the point is that this whole kerfuffle has completely undermined the work he is doing, just as it undermined the work Prince William and Kate were doing in Pakistan. To do it to your brother is one thing. To do it to your father and paymaster is a completely different matter altogether.”
Staff at Clarence House are also said to be disappointed that the two-part ITV programme Prince Charles: Inside the Duchy of Cornwall – which starts tonight – has been virtually ignored. The source explained: “This is a documentary about his life’s work and it really meant a lot to him. It’s been completely and utterly annihilated, all because these two think they’ve reinvented the wheel.”
Yesterday The Sun revealed Harry strongly disputed claims by William that he is “fragile”. He believes he and Meghan have not received the same level of support from the royal institution. Sources stressed Charles shares William’s very real concern for Harry. One said: “Charles is worrying about Harry in the same way he did Diana. Publicly he will defend his son.”
Charles has welcomed Meghan – who he walked down the aisle on her wedding day – to the family with open arms, the insiders insist. The source said: “It’s a real shame that Harry and Meghan didn’t go to Balmoral. That’s where the family talk about these things. There has also been at least one occasion when Charles invited Meghan to an event, she accepted and then didn’t turn up. You can’t do that. When the Royal Family send you an invitation you go, short of dying. There’s no reason why you shouldn’t be there.”
Yeah, there’s a lot to discuss. What I find interesting – consistently – is how Harry and Meghan truly intended the documentary to be their chance to say all of these things out loud, in their own voices, so there would be no way to misinterpret them or put words into their mouths. And then everyone in the Royal Family and everyone in the British media decided to willfully misinterpret them anyway.
I also think that when Charles is upset with his sons, that’s a whole different beast altogether. William has been burning Harry for months with little to no intervention from Charles or the Queen. But now that Charles is being negatively affected… yeah, there will be larger consequences. And I still think it was a good move for the Sussexes to avoid Balmoral. The Queen was too busy doing photo-ops with Prince Andrew, you know?
These are photos of Charles in Japan this week – he was there for Emperor Naruhito’s ascension to the Chrysanthemum Throne.
Photos courtesy of Avalon Red and Backgrid.
Charles, your family’s protection of your disgusting brother undermines your work.
THIS
Bingo.
1000%
But the brother is the firm…eyeroll.
Absolutely
YEP. Am I the only one wondering what will become of Andrew when the Queen dies? Charles has loathed his presence for years and his mere existence with these Epstein stories is extremely damaging to the crown. WAY more damaging than anything W, K, H, or M have ever done.
I think Charles will make Andrew stay out od the public’s eye until people forget about him. But he will protect Andrew legally because they all have shady financial dealings, so Charles will protect Andrew for the family’s sake, not for Andrew’s sake.
Vomit! You’re right, but that’s the life of an aristo. Even in the U.S. guys like Andrew skate on serious charges because of friends (family) in high places.
thank you.
Boom
We really need an upvote button around here.
Boo f*cking hoo. No one cares about Chuck to begin with. He doesn’t sell papers or draw attention anymore since he and Camilla stopped being a scandal. He’s just mad because William is ruining the idea of a slimmed down monarchy. If Harry and Meghan leave, he’ll have to keep some of the others around.
“Staff at Clarence House are also said to be disappointed that the two-part ITV programme Prince Charles: Inside the Duchy of Cornwall – which starts tonight – has been virtually ignored.”
The above quote is just total BS. The documentary “Prince Charles: Inside the Duchy of Cornwall” will probably air in the USA in the next two months on the Smithsonian Chanel or BBC America. It will be a ratings smash just as “Charles at 70” was. The USA is a much larger market than the UK and I really do believe the general public in the USA cares much more than general public in the UK in regards to the “going-ons” of the BRF based on talking to my friends from Norfolk and Leicestershire.
BREXIT is what is on my friends mind at the moment.
Why do you think it’s BS?
He’s British, he lives in Britain, so obviously his prime concern is going to be Britain and how the docu is received here. I can tell you as a Brit that there’s been almost no attention giving to it at all, it’s been completely overshadowed in people’s minds by the Harry and Meghan stuff. Even ardent royalists I know are not talking about it, because they’re only talking about Harry and Meghan.
I was really surprised when I saw that it airs tonight because I haven’t seen any of the promo and media attention you’d expect from such a thing.
“…the general public in the USA cares much more than general public in the UK in regards to the “going-ons” of the BRF …
“BREXIT is what is on my friends mind at the moment.”
This is absolutely right. I am pretty much the only person in my circle that follows the goings on in the RF. Everyone looks vaguely blank – and frankly a little concerned for my emotional health – when I try and talk to them about Harry, Meghan, William and Kate. My husband, bless him, tries to be supportive, but even he starts to glaze over quite quickly. But BREXIT – damn – everyone has so many views and so many gripes!
Lmfao, you’re always the one who equates what “my friends in Norfolk say” with the British public. It’s f’b weird mate. No one in America really cares either.
I call BS on it too. I think a parent, any parent—whether in the public or not—and that includes Charles, would be upset because their grown ass kids are out spilling tea but to say that this news cycle is overshadowing his work? Please. He visited Japan to see Naruhito celebrated and ushered in as the next Emperor just like the other royals in his shoes. That’s not to take anything from Naruhito, but Charles would have gone anyway. His brothers and sister are too low in rank and his mother doesn’t do long distance travel anymore and as POW, likely to be Regent, he HAD to go. Plus, people will watch his docu-advertisement if only to criticize it.
Does the spilled tea look good for the family or the firm? No. And I understand the need to cover one’s ass to say “hey, I tried to help them” but the wrong thing to do is concern troll in such a way that it looks as if H/M need to be locked away for their own safety.
All in all, Charles needs to tell his courtiers “STFU. Just stop talking. Stop trying to help cause you are not. I’ll be home in 4-days. I’m going to sit down and have a come to Jesus meeting with them grown as* MFs that I helped to create, then I’ll meet with them and their wives, and we gone nip this sh*t in the bud. They are going to stop acting like infants in a cradle around here. Hell, there is enough gravy for everybody.”
Charles & QEII should then just lay it on the line for both couples—the petulant, the lazy, the pissed and the disappointed. Find and use the emotional courage to have some tough and honest conversations.
@ ADS
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Same here…..none of my friends give two shits, no matter how urgently I try to paint the picture.
@Bella DuPont – Never mind them and their silly Brexit nonsense (we’re all screwed!). You have an interested ear in me!
@Chelle – it sounds like the royals could do with a sensible person like you advising them! 🙂
Well it is interesting that both documentaries have been produced by ITV? I am quite sure that discussions were done about when each one should aired, and it was decided to get the controversial H&M one out first. These documentaries are all about making lots of money. The H& M will obviously sell. This latest ‘Charles is angry’ rubbish is just PR to attract attention to his own documentary. I am sure an ITV ‘William and Kate behind the scenes in Pakistan’ will emerge soon.
Charles will not be bothered about H&Ms court action as long as it does not have any negativity on him. William is the one who should be worried.
People in the UK will watch it, he’s not that unpopular – the demographic is likely to be older viewers.
As Bay says Brexit is what is on us the minds of us Brits at the moment. This might be a distraction from it.
Chuck has always been like this, its where William gets it from.
Someone’s looking more like his Dad as he ages.
Also that’s some narcissistic shit right there. You are being abused and are hurting and it’s affecting meeeeeee negatively so you are terrible.
Let’s be serious though. This entire family is emotionally just a mess. And I don’t mean that as an insult, just a statement of fact.
I HIGHLY doubt that Charles’ had much of a loving upbringing. I think he was kept at arms length when it came to his parents, and I really truly doubt there was much of a nurturing or emotionally transparent environment. They seem like the kind of family who just… doesn’t even hug or anything. And I get that – my grandfather was raised that way, and then raised his kids that way to a degree. There was always love there – but it was always very emotionally locked down environment.
And I think Charles probably sees himself as being at least more emotionally available than his own parents… but even still, very locked down, very concerned about appearances and not making an emotional show of things.
And I think that’s a good chunk of the problems with all of the generations here. Nobody knows how to properly handle emotions, and everyone is used to being secretly upset about something but not addressing it properly. So now that Harry is addressing things head-on, it is throwing them all off.
I said this before but I think they shy away from any kind of show of human emotion because they don’t want people to realize that they’re all actually just regular humans at the palace who make the same mistakes and have the same vices and sins as anyone else. Especially any other extremely wealthy, privileged, white family. It’s like they’re all trying to be RF robots who are distant and aloof and thus seem very above and apart from the regular populace. They don’t want people to think of them as humans because then people will question why they’re around anyways. Why are they paying this family billions of pounds a year to live in palaces and do charity work if these people aren’t actually the grand, noble, aristocratic, stabilizing, non-political, uniting face of a nation anyways? They shy away from anything emotional, anything interesting or new (like a biracial American duchess) because it will bring scrutiny to the family, people will look more closely at them and realize they’ve been duped for a long time into supporting a family that’s just as corrupt and nasty as any other rich family. That’s why they hide their pedophilia and affairs and financial crimes, as well.
Absolutely and unhealthy narcissism is deeply rooted in the childhood dysfunction and trauma Charles experienced as a child. So yes to everything you said.
Harry and Meghan have basically stood up and said we are not going to live this way and the reactions from all over saying you shouldn’t do that because of it’s effect on me is pretty typical. Very very sad too.
Agreed, guys. It’s kind of just…. sad from all angles, I guess. I think they’re a group of massively flawed people who probably love each other in their own way but even that’s flawed. I think they spend so much time feeding into the illusion and the show that they have turned themselves into robotic versions of themselves.
They’re emotionally repressed, and at least somewhat paranoid, and I think that’s pretty clear with what we’re seeing in their reactions to this stuff.
I am actually SUPER optimistic about Archie. I think Meghan has brought in a wonderful sense of caring, empathy, and self reflection to Harry’s life, and I think he’s genuinely trying to break the cycle. I have decent amount of hope for the Cambridge kids too, though it’s more of a mixed bag. I think they’re going to have at least some of the struggles that W&H had growing up, but I think they have at least a more emotionally open relationship with Kate’s family. Say what you will about the Middleton’s (plenty is deserved) but I do think they’ll have a positive impact on G,C,&L in a way that they won’t from their fathers’ family. And I definitely think that’s a big reason that W seems to be so content being “mothered” or whatever from Carole. W&H lost their mother young, and even while she was alive there was an emotional strain there. So they’ve both found partners that bring to the table something they felt that they had missed out on. H got his sweet, go-getter wife expanding his worldview, and W got the more traditional doting family that I think he craved.
Erinn, I think you nailed it above. I, too, think the Midds are/will continue to be a positive force for Kate’s kids. At least when with them, they are free to just BE kids, to make a mess, cut loose, run, scream, etc. I doubt they can do that in the halls of KP, BP, or Clarence House.
Archie has Meghan and Doria, who will be an awesome influence on her grandson, as well as Harry, whom I see as someone who’s made tremendous growth in his emotional and mental health.
I really do hope that (soon!) M&H tell TRF to shove it, and move away, make their own lives on their terms.
Serious question though, Harry is still 6th in line. Will he be able to do so, w/out renouncing his title? Or will a parting come with that price?
@Erinn I think that when you look back at Royalty throughout history, the same thing applies. They’ve always been messed up in some way and now we are experiencing the modern version of it. I guess many families are messed up and have interesting dynamics but theirs has a fairly unique dynamic due to the crown and it all plays out in a fairly public way. The original Kardashians.
Charles has said his parents were emotionally distant and not good parents. These “kids” werent raised by their parents, but nannies and governesses. Every part of their lives is businees, including familial relationships. They even have to eat dinner while sitting in order of rank (their places are set by order in precedence). I think it especially affected Charles and William because as future kings, they were probably treated even more in a business fashion.
Yeah, @Erinn, I think at the heart of it all, it really is quite sad. There’s this combination of being put at such an elevated position from such an early point in your life, combined with a huge degree of emotional neglect, and it’s all coalesced into something enormously ugly. You’re absolutely right about the inability of people in this family to confront their emotions and be honest about how they feel to others. I don’t think Kate is quite better at this than anyone else in the BRF, but I do think the one thing she knows the value of is a happy, stable childhood. If nothing else, those kids are going to have a solid base from which to go on into the world. It makes all the difference in the world to just know that you have someone at home who will support you and has taken a great deal of effort to nurture you as a person, y’know?
Escondista – Yes!
Also, Chaz wasn’t afraid “for” Diana, he was afraid *of* Diana, who was far more popular than he was.
A far more accurate statement than the press release.
Not “afraid”, but RESENTFUL. He felt HE deserved ALL the adoration, far above whatever “crumbs” would be left over for his young, inexperienced wife. Or brood mare, as the case was. Poor Diana was wanted for her virginity and aristocratic line. CERTAINLY not for love. EVER.
(I take these things with a boulder of salt, but I’m going to assume this is halfway true…)Had he actually learned something from the past, and intervened months ago this may have had a better outcome. Support from the white establishment would have taken the edge off. Charles who is actually going to be King should look into how decent leadership skills could have helped “The Firm” here. (BTW-I also don’t believe Megan would commit to something and not turn up without an explanation, because if she actually did that they would have eviscerated her at the time she did it so, I think there’s a whole lot misinformation here)
YES. If this is a reflection of his leadership skills, they’re in trouble. This has been handled so poorly.
Yup. No way she accepted a meeting with Charles and didn’t show. That would’ve been prime fodder for them to throw to the wall for all to see the minute it happened.
Maybe it was during her pregnancy and she was having complications or ordered to rest. The way they said “short of dying” you have to show up, makes it seem like Meghan did have what most people would consider a good excuse, but it wasn’t good enough for Charles and his aides.
I was also struck by how they say that Harry doing stuff to undermine or upset William is one thing, but to do it to your “Dad and paymaster” is another. WTF type of family is this where Dad and his people think of his son as some kind of underling employee/servant!?
I keep getting the idea that Charles and William have been so indoctrinated into the idea that the most important thing in the world is ascending to the throne and keeping the monarchy going that they simply do not see their family members as individuals with their own families, hopes, dreams, ideas, and work anymore. It’s like Charles and William both think Meghan and Harry are just the managers of a Wales/Cambridge satellite branch who exist purely to work on behalf of Charles/William and make them look good. They don’t think of Harry and Meghan as being their own people and their own family and their own household. It’s ironic because William is now and always has been so obsessed with being his own family/household and not just being a Charles satellite. Yet he’s expecting Harry to be a Cambridge satellite.
Seriously, this is the man who said he wouldn’t be the “Keeper of the Faith” , but the “Keeper of ALL Faiths”, which includes POC.
Charles, look out, but your W.A.S.P. is showing, emphasis on the W.
“Defender of the Faith” vs. “Defender of Faiths”
Yes, you’re right! Thank you BTB! ❤️😊
Something shallow: He’s got stubby little hands.
They used to look pretty normal; I think the swelling has distorted their appearance.
And awfully ruddy.
Charles has always had fat fingers, he inherited them from the Queen. He used to joke about his sausage fingers. Nowadays they are getting increasingly red. It could be too much rich food.
Nope that would be your pedo brother and the lack of intervention at the attacks on your daughter in law.
I wonder why they don’t ask the media they’re so chummy with why they aren’t paying more attention to their own things?
But also, WK in Pakistan was not overshadowed at all – they did a commemorative booklet of Kate’s outfits!
And if Charles was smart or had any smart people around him, instead of smearing H&M, he’d use them to garner publicity for his own stuff.
Bush league, all of them.
Yup! Exactly!
Not sure if this was the intention but theyve kind of undermined their own work as well? The conversation is about their personal life and not their work, which was supposed to be the point of the documentary.
Their work is being undermined by the racist hit pieces that are continually being published in the media period.
He was never afraid for Diana, he was bitter over being massively overshadowed by his young, strikingly charismatic bride. What a bunch of revisionist poopaganda!
And THIS…is why I know that Meghan isn’t pulling one over when it comes to broadcasting…pure terror….
The level of Family Hell that I know that SHE is used to….is NOTHING compared to THIS nest of sociopaths….I know she looks in wonder at Harry…everyday…the fact that he did the EXTREMELY HARD WORK to ACTIVELY not be emotionally and psychologically JUST like the rest of his family….because there was a point in time…that he was RIGHT ON THAT TRACK!
You add the demonic family drama from the HIGHEST of the British upper-class…throw in the political and socio-economic hellscape that is currently the country…knowing that you married into one of the most powerful families on the planet that is now ACTIVELY protecting a pedophile…..while offering you and yours no protection AT ALL against the vile press….
Yea…it’s a bit much….
I TRULY believe that H&M will forge a strong infrastructure and barrier of people/activities that will ultimately protect them from a LOT of the things that are going on now…you can already see their work on that…but that will take time…which they haven’t had yet…However, until that happens…I’m glad that they’re confronting this head-on and calling…. “A Thing a Thing”
Brava LaLa11_7! Perfectly said!
Very well said. Thanks for this.
+1000
This!! H&M are truly becoming stronger in front of our eyes and I cannot wait to see them continue to blossom.
The fact that they are still talking to a pile of rag such as the sun just speaks for itself.
Also, protecting a pedophile says it all about where their priorities lie.
This situation is going to end very badly. We just banished my partner’s family after years of this kind of behavior. Nothing else to do but separate. Until I read this article I thought there there was hope for those idiots (the royals, not H&Meghan). Now? No.
Yea, I think things are going to get worse until they get better. And I don’t see how the monarchy will ever get better…
Age does not always mellow people. Actually, it can magnify already present behaviors.
Thinking that routinely passive-aggressive, manipulative relatives will become better behaved or more tolerant is a fantasy, unfortunately. Cutting contact is the only choice to preserve one’s own well-being, if you cannot reason with them and have mutual respect.
As I said in the other post, the ego and narcissism in this family continues to astound me (and I KNOW it shouldn’t! It’s been there all along). This pretty much puts paid to knowing that the majority of the “leaks” are coming from BP/KP, and they are APPROVED/FED leaks. Senior Royal “Source” my @ss! Passed straight from Daddy Dearest and Bothered Brother more like it!
NO ONE CARES what Charles is up to. WHO KNEW he was even IN Japan until those pics were put out? I sure didn’t.
I have lost ALL respect for the BRF, down to the very last shred. Gone.
I so wonder where the truth lies.
I know that I don’t believe this because I agree with HK9: had Meghan failed to turn up to an engagement with her FIL, oh that would have leaked immediately, no? But I’m one of those people who still kinda likes the Queen (although her less lately for her support of the pedophile) and Charles and I can’t see them or their staff actively supplying stories, let alone at the breakneck pace we saw this year. They’re in their 90s and 70s, FCOL. Not that they’re above petty squabbling, but that’s just unprofessional.
Now Miss Rose’s beau, OTOH…
It was leaked.
When has Charles defended them publicly?
He had so much good will from stepping up and walking Meghan down the aisle. I know I was really touched he did that.
Since then though…
The 13th of Never I believe.
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Huh. New parents and hard workers Meghan and Harry undermine his work?
My goodness.
My, my, my.
From where I sit, it’s the burgeoning scandal regarding Pedo Andy (and Mummy’s attempts to shove it all under the rug) that undermines any respect that I used to have for the BRF. When I see news of Will and his wandering willy and Embiggened Kate, that doesn’t shine the turd either. Add all of that family’s obduracy regarding Meghan and Harry to the mix and, well…what can I say?
I think the best of the BRF comes from Meghan and Harry, actually. As for Charles?
Bless his heart.
The Andrew situation is, IMO, the Worst scandal that has touched the BRF in modern times. This isn’t infidelity but criminal behaviour of the worst possible kind. He has attached the stench of the sexual abuse of minors to the BRF and the Queen has chosen to publicly support him! In the past, the BRF has been successful at suppressing extremely damaging information (such as the Duke of Windsor’s Nazi sympathies, which ran much deeper than originally thought as well as the suspicions of his possibly treasonous activities). However, the media landscape is quite different now – and the fact that foreign law enforcement agencies have a spotlight on Andrew makes this situation extremely damaging for the entire institution. If all the particulars of Andrew’s relationship with Epstein is made public, it could possibly topple the monarchy itself, especially because it is so very clear that they are actively protecting him and the Queen is clearly giving him her support, which is putting a huge black mark on her legacy as a monarch.
Unfortunately I think the Andrew scandal is going to hit a dead end and sadly he will face no consequences legally. The worst accusations are going to be played as “he said, she said” (or many shes said) and you already hear the defenses that she was of legal age in the UK, Andrew didn’t know blah blah blah.
I mean seriously, Ghislaine Maxwell is still missing and unapprehended. And she is way up on the list of law enforcement targets for Epstein co-conspirators.
Reputationally, Andrew will keep being sent out on tours and events on behalf of the Queen, and he will soon be buffed up as father-of-the-year, giving away his princess bride daughter at the upcoming royal wedding of Bea and Edo. (Also by the way, it is reported today that Eugenie is posing in a T-shirt saying “For Freedom” to back an anti-slavery campaign.) The York reputation laundering will continue apace.
I would hate for that to happen. However, even if he escapes criminal charges, they should do what they did with the Duke of Windsor after WWII: never let him represent Crown and Country ever again.
@ArtHistorian–can’t see that happening while the Queen still lives as he is her favourite boy–but will be interesting to see what his role is after the Queen is gone.
You’re probably right, but I think it would be smarter to remove him from representational duties because the stench is bad. However, the members of the BRF have never been known for their smarts.
I really hope that this doesn’t happen. I really hope that there’s some justice, if only because Virginia Roberts fought so hard, and continues to fight, and has firmly stated that she has truth on her side. I think if anything, she won’t let this die until there is some resolution,
It really takes very little to overshadow W&K’s work.
And to be fair, H&M could hide in a bunker for a month while Kate cures cancer and the Daily Fail’s headline would be about audacity of Meghan to send a 7am email to ask for rat traps.
ITV decides when to air shows, nothing to do with the Sussexs.
By the way ITV sold ‘Meghan and Harry in Africa’ World Wide.
Maybe a source told Meghan how the Royal Family felt about her, so it was not hard to skip Charles visit and Balmoral.
Well, I mean, she didn’t show up for an event he invited her to. She deserves all of this! *sarcasm* I find it weird how often that supposed missed event was mentioned.
No one pays attention to Charles’s tours anyway, do they? I mean I follow Clarence House on IG and twitter so I see the pictures and stuff, but there definitely does not seem to be anywhere near the same level of coverage as the Cambridges and Sussexes get – which makes sense, they are younger, more glamorous, etc. So, while the focus on his sons may annoy Charles, its nothing new.
And I also call total BS on Meghan cancelling an appointment with Charles. Okay, not total BS. What I imagine happened was that there was a meeting/appointment/something set up, and Meghan canceled for a valid reason, with ample notice, and Charles was fine with it, but someone was not and leaked that tidbit. If she just no-showed for a meeting with the Prince of Wales, we would have heard about it months ago.
The Balmoral thing…..I honestly don’t think the Queen or Charles care that they didn’t go. Archie was only 3-4 months old, they were preparing for a big tour, Meghan was doing Vogue and the smart set – I don’t think there were any hard feelings about them not going. But, its something that the press can latch onto and say “they should have gone” and then next year IF they do go it will be “see? H&M listened to us.”
I mean, can we all agree to put “work” in quotation marks?
He’s undermined his own work by not sticking up for H&M, and by defending his pedo brother. No one had to help him there.
Dear Charles,
No one would have cared about your doc regardless of when H&M’s had aired. Because no one cares about YOU. Hell they even keep forgetting that you’re next in line for the throne and not your dullard oldest son. It’s clear Will learned all of his viper tactics from you.
I must admit that I do care about the work Chucky is doing, I am very interested in the Duchy of Cornwall as a business enterprise and will watch the new Chucky documentary at least twice when it airs in the USA if I can get it via “On-Demand”. What I an starting to care less & less about is Chuck as a person and I am beginning to feel very sorry for Cammie.
IMHO, Chucky’s main and almost only problem is jealousy. He is jealous of his sons in the same way he was jealous of Diana. I find this very sad and I am sure others do to.
@Bay, if he weren’t spending his time being so jealous, he’d honestly be able to see that there are a LOT of people who appreciate him for his work. I agree that it is important to feel and see the validation for your efforts, but huffing about how you’re being ignored isn’t the way.
So they are saying she cancelled, then saying she didn’t turn up. Which one is it? I highly doubt the latter. Also, if she cancelled, get over yourself. People who live in the real world know things come up.
Right. And was it a meeting or an event? They called it both things but those words are not interchangeable.
If this is true then Charles has learned nothing from the last 20 years.
And Meghan going ghost on Charles would have been leaked months ago believe me.
I really feel for Harry in all this mess. I think he is seeing, perhaps REALLY seeing, for the first time how nasty his family is. I remember after Meghan’s first Christmas with the RF, Harry made that comment about his family being the family she never had and now he’s understanding just how selfish, out of touch and self centered each and every member of that family is. Since the wedding and immediately after, none of them has spoken or shown one bit of support. They used Meghan just as they’ve used Harry for all these years.
Because it’s always about you, Charles, isn’t it? Just hate him.
Charles should have been CONCERNED a year ago when his pregnant daughter in law was being savaged by the press on a daily basis.
I dont think Charles is a monster. I do believe he likes Meghan and cares about his children. But he grew up in a household where it was every man for himself. I think he believed that walking Meghan down the aisle was enough to show how much he cared about her and Harry. Its more than he’s done for his other son.
Charles didn’t do anything about the press because it he didn’t think it affected him directly. None of those people have the insight to realize that what’s happening to the Duchess of Sussex happens to ALL of them because she’s ONE OF THEM.
Very insightful. Also, as one of the posters said above (forgive me for not scrolling up for your name!), as long as it doesn’t affect the DIRECT HEIR(S), they aren’t much concerned… except, of course, for Mummy’s favourite boy.
The condescension towards the Sussexes is palpable.
Meghan’s White trash relatives seem like a walk in the park compared to the Royals.
If everyone on here commenting and likely reading is pretty much in agreement that the royal family is doing a huge disservice protecting Andrew. And not publicly coming out and showing support for Megan why oh why are the comments on the daily mail so dark and hateful toward Megan.
I am convinced that the mail has professional commenters. They also do not publish any negative commenting on Kate Williams’s or Andrew.
Also the red arrows are strangely quick. I just wonder if they have a system in place to manipulate to show support for everyone but Harry and Meghan.
There are paid posters at the Daily Fail. I do not know how is paying but there are paid posters.
Also, the average reader of the Daily Fail is over 50 years old, suburban (commuting distance from London), female and very much a MAGA pearl clutching type who owns several strands of real pearls.
I used to go in and try and put in positive posts about H&M. NOTHING was EVER printed. I AM convinced that even though they say “not moderated” they sure as hell pick and choose the worst comments to go in, front and center. Even their “best” comments are horrible.
Once you post a comment at the Daily Fail it may take up to 15 minutes to appear.
@BayTampaBay yep, and then any positive comment about them you post will pretty much be immediately buried by a flood of negative comments. i’ve gotten email notifications about my pro-meghan commments being posted before on the DM but the link they send is to all the comments, not a direct link to your own, so good luck ever finding your own comment to see how it’s been voted on!
I have read somewhere that Charles is paying for the clothes of Kate and Meghan. Since Meghan is mostly wearing repeats the last couple of weeks….could it be that Charles no longer wants to pay for her clothes or that Meghan does not want to ask for money for clothes?
I think Meghan is choosing to do repeats right now just to make a point and give them one less thing to nail her for. I don’t know that Charles is refusing to pay….my guess is that it’s her decision.
Meghan has more than enough money of her OWN to buy new outfits if she chose to or if Charles had cut her off. I doubt Charles has cut her off, though.
BOTH women are wearing repeats right now, and the “newer” things aren’t seeming to shy away from “bespoke” high tag items, going for more high end High Street clothes. This is a DIRECT reaction to the cost posts. I think Kate wants to seem like the “goodie two shoes” at this point, as pretty much almost everything before this has been “bespoke” for quite a while. All part of the “embiggening”.
Do these people not have phones?
Yes, but esp. the older ones seem to communicate in written form it seems. You always read about how one “wrote a note to mummy” (TQ).
The others don’t seem to talk much to each other. Remember when Anne was asked about how she felt about George being born, and she made some comment about why should she care, it didn’t affect her. COLD!
Charles doesn’t like to be overshadowed. (Remember Diana’s dealings).
Here’s the thing. If M and H want a royal life with its perks they have to not overshadow the royals higher on the ladder than them. The Crown comes before individuals. This means that H and M cannot act like celebrities with their own agendas because their lifestyle is being funded by an institution whose agenda doesn’t line up with theirs.
Racism needs to be called out and Meghan has been treated badly. This is inexcusable. Sadly maybe BP would protect her more if she and Harry found a way to work within the narrow confines of the “Firm.” All that wealth and prestige comes at an enormous cost. I wouldn’t want it for the world. Maybe M wants out.
I think that H and M are flexing and this move to the US for six weeks may provide an opportunity for them to decide if they can be in or out. The Queen will put an end to the overshadowing of the Crown as she did when she told Diana and Charles to divorce rather than continue to have their private life all over the media. Likewise H and M will have to decide if they are going to divorce from the Crown. This is not going to end well for any of the royal family.
I call b.s. for this reason: how many articles have there been about future king Will and Kween Kate? Is that not overshadowing senior royals Charles and Camilla? Why is he not attacking them for not “knowing their place”? Charles is FOS because he and the queen know that if the press are not talking about H&M then they will be looking at Andrew. And Andrew, I believe is involved in some deep sh!t on top of the pedo stuff. Like how he got his money. And who else in the family got some too.
But how do they make themselves less popular? They can’t make people be less interested in them. They don’t do that many more engagements than will and Kate and definitely not more than Charles. They do the things they’re asked to do. They go where they’re sent. They work with the patronages they’ve been assigned. It’s not like they’re just showing up all over the U.K. 5 days a week leaving no days for the other royals to do stuff. That’s why I don’t get what the RF is hoping to do by “putting them in their place.” Harry and Megan don’t control how much people like or are interested in them. They don’t control how much the press writes about them. They’re not doing anything different from the other royals. They’re not out doing pap walks, or partying in clubs, or drunk dialing the press, or tweeting out pictures of themselves making out, or using Archie as a prop. How are they supposed to get less attention?
The comparison to Diana doesn’t make sense to me. She was working with the media. She was giving direct TV interviews about the heir to the throne being an adulterer. She was calling the paparazzi to take her picture while she was on vacation. She cooperated on a book. Harry and Meghan aren’t doing those things. At all.
Respectfully AMY TOO – we don’t know what is or is not happening behind the scenes re who is talking to the media. It’s conjecture to assume we know.
What we do know is that H and M have started to break away from the palace infrastructure with the break up of the fab 4 foundation and their hiring US PR firms.
This is their choice but they cannot have their lifestyle supported by the British taxpayer and royal family if they don’t live in Britain and adhere to the Crown’s plans.
Any attempt to leverage the Crown to launch an independent identity even as global goodwill ambassadors will not work in the long run as the Crown cannot allow the overshadowing of the monarch and future monarch.
I hate to use the words ‘know your place’ because of the deeply bigoted connotation but they have to find a way to work with BP if they want to stay.
In the long run this will give them the most opportunity to make an impact.
Slow your roll I say if you want to stay. Otherwise be prepared to lead the expat life.
But your argument could work against you as well. We DON’T know who’s talking behind the scenes. And even if Meghan and Harry are talking behind the scenes, aren’t they all? Isn’t that what this article is about: Charles talking to the press? Diana was out in front of cameras talking about her husband having an affair. Meghan and Harry aren’t doing anything like that, at least. Yet they’re being compared to Diana.
And they’re not moving out of or away from the palace. They moved from working under one palace, Kensington, to under another, Buckingham. And BP is closer to, not further away from, the current monarch.
They’re also not moving to America for six weeks. The source said they were going to visit Doria in LA for Thanksgiving, and that they would be celebrating Christmas with the RF, and that they wouldn’t be working much in between. They didn’t say they were staying in America for six weeks.
I don’t think they’re going nearly as rogue as everyone seems to think they are. A lot of the fussiness from royal aides and “sources” seems to be about overshadowing the senior royals and being too popular. But they can’t really make themselves less popular or interesting. They’re literally suing the media because they write about them obsessively TOO often.
So..while it is a family, it is also called the Firm for a reason. It’s a family business with a really strict hierarchy. And while Harry and Megan May be popular with a global audience, the audience the Firm cares about is the British taxpayer that is continuing to support this archaic institution. And Harry and Megan will never be in the CEO position with the freedom to transform the monarchy. They may have some room around the margin to build their brand or to take on causes they care about. But they are useful to the Firm to the extent they reflect well on the overall brand. Tour of South Africa – great….talking about their personal feelings or criticizing the stereotype of the stiff upper lip…. not on brand.
This is not to say that Megan has not been treated badly by racist British press for being a woman of color and an American. She has to be horribly hurt and frustrated. But venting to friends is safer than talking about how she feels when the British press is waiting to jump all over them both at any sign of blood. It’s horribly unfair. But it shouldn’t be a shock either. Honestly being as boring as possible might help…. I sympathize with their desire to fight back and the legal maneuvers may make the tabloids back off a bit. Interviews that provide new fodder will not, IMO.
Thank you Christa! I agree, it is called a Firm for a obvious reason: it is a business with strict hierarchy. World is not fair, and never will be. I don`t know if she skipped event invited by Charles, but if she did… Oh my, huge mistake. He is the King to be, no matter what. I live in Finland, so I really don`t care about royals, but I understand how it works.
Christa, the overall royal brand is in fast decline since PM Boris Johnson threw the Queen under the Brexit bus and used her as his ceremonial puppet. The monarchy as an expensive rubber stamp for the government is unsustainable in a UK and Commonwealth that will evidently fall apart post Brexit and post QEII. The political left and right are eagerly waiting for QEII’s passing to slaughter the fat royal Golden Goose that is worth billions. Charles will not be as popular as his mother. He needs the strength of both popular sons and their spouses. The Fab Four was a brilliant PR construct to strengthen the overall brand for the future, but it was ineffective as a hierarchical structure because both couples Cambridges and Sussexes are equally strong brands. Instead of competing they should cooperate as a businessteam, but the Firm needs a fundamental reorganization as well, with more transparency and less courtiers. Father and sons/wives will have to negotiate and find common ground that is a win-win for all. Continuing the status quo is not an option in these turbulent times. To phrase Boris Johnson: it’s DO or DIE for the monarchy!
Will there be a story about the Japanese enthronement because, TIARAS AND SASHES !!!
ROYALTY !!!!…..that is not the British family.
TIARAS AND SASHES !!!, Full color pictures!!!!, Royal Orders!!!!……..YES PLEASE!
I have been expecting one too. Also why didn’t Camilla attend, was she unwell?
Camilla is not a fan of flying long distances unless she absolutely has to.
Yes to this! I’ve seen some photos elsewhere and wow! Please cover here. Oh and everyone sent royalty and top tier dignitaries and the US sent its… Transportation Secretary??? 🤷♀️
Imbecile-In-Chief Dump wasn’t too happy that the Japanese Prime Minister Abe failed to secure a Nobel Prize for him. I’m surprised anyone from the US was sent in this case.
I’ve read that Camilla gets sick after flying – it may be vertigo? Extreme air sickness? Something. So even on the few foreign tours she does, she usually flies out a day or two early (or has a day with no public engagements after arrival) to recover.
Lots of Tiaras! And Crown Princess Mary really wore some stunning outfits but some of the other royal ladies were sartorial disappointments, though I really liked Letizia’s and Maxima’s evening outfits.
Maxima for the win. She looked stunning on the first day of the coronation, just incredible. I’ve never seen Maxima with her hair down, she looked 20 years younger. And the jewels, oh the jewels on display.
fir me, it was Crown Princess Mary for the win. Those caped lavender outfits were gorgeous, especially the sparkly cape over the evening gown. However, Maxima outdid everyone in the jewellery department – and, yes, Maxima really pulled off a tiara with loose hair, which is harder than one would think. I know that Letizia brough one of the really big gun tiaras from the Spanish vaults, but it is so big and she is so petite that tiara really overwhelmed her.
Letizia’s daytime floral outfit had me stumped, but the bubblegum pink one later was good. I liked Mary’s second look, the sparkly cape one, but the first one had poor tailoring around the shoulders. CP Victoria looked good, but she had the misfortune to have her father with her which ruined any of her looks for me. I like Maxima’s first gray/blue outfit, but the evening one was too much like her sparkly saloon girl dress I cannot stand. Felipe and Letizia left early because they’re on a formal visit to South Korea.
The flowers on dresses and hats might have been to acknowledge this is the Chrysanthemum Throne.
@Other Renee. Right. Apparently they invited the VP but he rejected it and so the WH looked at the hierarchy list and said, ‘Oh, we have someone Asian on the staff (and not even Japanese), let’s send them’.
Because, they are racist.
My how Charles has managed to reinvent himself. He’s an awful person and so is his wife. This revisionist PR nonsense they spent god knows how much pulling off, is really funny, but I see it worked on a lot of people.
What does Camilla have to do with this? Camilla is minding her business!
Charles is the worst.
When T. Markle started selling Meghan to the press I said Charles was just as bad as him. He has whined to press about his sons numerous times but people here were all about how Charles is cool because he walked Meg down the aisle and he seemed to prefer HM over WK (the most obvious sign of how awful father he is).
This is irritating.
There’s not much coverage on his documentary because he is not as exciting as Harry and Meghan. There probably wouldn’t be if H&M had their program delayed.
Also, when you’re invited to something you show up short of dying? Yeah, that’s not how a healthy family works. And where was this energy (by the palace sources) when Phillip and Liz were both sick and Kate and Will decided to skip Christmas to play normal Bill and Cathy with the Middletons. And then arranged their own photographed walk to church?
Remember last Christmas, when willam, kate, Meghan and Harry were walking side by side during the church walk, and Charles was legit trying to walk in front of them to get in the shot, lol. He’s still thirsty as hell as is William. I genuinely don’t think harry is bothered at all about attention, I think he just wants to live a quiet life, yet he’s the star out of the three of them. He’s the only blood royal who actually brings warmth and light relief to such a dreary and dull institution. I wondered which way Charles would swing, but I guess he’s going to join the Meghan bashing bragade. I guess he has no choice given the dirt the press must have on him. It seems to be the press, William and the rest of the RF against the Sussex’s. It’s such a shame because all of this could have been avoided had they just welcomed her and been nice.
Was his daughter in law being slaughtered every day in the press also not overshadowing his work??? Why is just NOW an issue? Me thinks he’s not also a jealous asshole but siding with the press in hopes of stomping M&H out whether it be getting them to shut up and getting them to leave all together. Shut up Charles, we don’t care.
Charles hasn’t changed at all since the Diana days. I thought maybe he’d softened a bit, but no, it seems not. Well anyone who can’t squeeze his own toothpaste has a screw loose.
As for the enthronement in Japan, I’m looking forward to all the photos, not of him, but especially of the new emperor and empress, whose struggles have been well documented. Poor Masako has had a very tough time.
Empress Masako’s ceremonial gown weighs 33 pounds! They mentioned that it could be ‘a challenge’ to walk in. Can you actually picture wearing something that heavy? I’m sure every parent of a toddler/tot has no problem hefting that weight several times a day, but the vast majority of us aren’t packing 33 extra pounds of clothes.
Yeah, the enthronement ceremony was totally ridiculous and archaic. But I really like the couple and especially Masako. The other royals looked nice, but Charles we just another guy/Prince.
“Well anyone who can’t squeeze his own toothpaste has a screw loose.” Thank you, I needed to laugh! (Though, I suppose, this could just be just a rumor too.)
it’s a story from a time when charles’ arm was broken and he was unable to squeeze the toothpaste out himself so had staff do it. it’s not a daily thing.
If the Sun knew about an event that was scheduled for Charles & Meghan and she skipped, there’s no way in hell that wouldn’t have been on the front page of that rag. So, I don’t believe it. The Sun is taking a risk with this story, which means some of it is true. Charles may feel the drama surrounding H&M is overshadowing the work of the family, but there’s little he can do about it now. He let this situation go on for years without showing a hint of support for them. Yes, approving the move from KP was supportive, but he knows optics. He knows a dual engagement with his DIL would have done wonders not only for Meghan, but himself. He didn’t and that ship has sailed.
The Sun lies outright and that is a proven fact. The Dim is actually worse than the Daily Fail.
The problem with the RF is that they didn’t defend Meghan from the beginning. Had they put out a statement saying that attacks on Meghan based on her race was unacceptable they would be in a better position. But they are a highly dysfunctional family that consistently stab one another in the back to protect their individual positions. Basically they have too much time on their hands and very little real life experiences to burden them down. This is the family Meghan married into. If I could give her advice I would say……run for the hills! Take Archie and Harry and get away immediately. Mark my word they would find another family member to throw under the bus and stab in the back.
Beatrice and Eugenie. I wonder if Andrew can see the writing on the wall.
The world of difference it would have made if the family had actually closed ranks around Meghan, instead of leaving her high and dry with no resources. A simple, “This type of reporting is not acceptable, do better,” from the Queen’s office. Or even Charles. Literally ANYTHING would have been better than this.
I’m afraid for Meghan and Harry. Remember what happened to Diana when Charles became jealous of her and her constantly overshadowing him?
This DOES NOT surprise me one bit. The family scapegoat is ALWAYS vilified when they step out of their role, because it ultimately means other family alliances break down and someone else has to be thrown under the bus to maintain the existing dysfunctional dynamics.
We saw it with Meghan in the run up to the wedding and after with the other daughter continually mouthing off.
Harry needs to make a decision now, Meg and Archie or the RF. Leave the cesspit to rot and Chuck to have to entertain Fergie whom he despises via proxy of Andrew, Eugenie and Beatrice to take Harry’s place…. oops Andrew can’t take his place because he’s a paedo.
This article is so fos. If the Queen wants Charles to bring the brothers together, then how is trashing Harry’s wife supposed to do that? If anything, that will push him away even more.
Sometimes, i honestly forget that Charles is next in line. Will and Kate plus the Queens longevity have completely overshadowed him. This family keeps siding with the press but thats like siding with a bully in the hopes that he wont hurt you. Newsflash, they will. Probably more than their current victims. Because bullies dont go for friendliness. They are like a pack of hungry hounds, out for blood. They may eat you last because they use you as bait, but believe, they will eat you.
Meg and Harry are starting a family and are already in the prime of their lives. I keep thinking that it would be a waste to spend the better part of your life fighting an institution. Its often said, you cant change an institution, it changes you. Those who work in Govt know what i mean. And the BRF is worse than a government. To me, it would make sense to leave the BRF and live in peace. The press would then have to find someone new in the BRF to attack. It makes me sad because they are fighting against these tabloids and the BRF sources are running to these same tabloids, smh. On the other hand, it would be a great legacy if they could fight on and bring on change in the monarchy but at what cost? I want Archie to have happy parents who arent under constant strain of having to defend themselves from tabloids and the BRF.
When I read stories like this, I am reminded of that scene in “The Queen” where Prince Charles calls Blair secretly to express his support for a public showing of grief for Princess Diana by the royal family, in opposition of what the Queen is insisting on, and Blair looks at his staff in incredulity and basically says, what is WRONG with this family? I am trying to save them from one another.
I also think of the scene in the new trailer for The Crown where, I think, the Queen Mother (or an older female royal?) advises Charles that his family is not out for his best interests.
This is not a normal family, it’s a corporation. They call it “the Firm” for a reason. These are a collection of people who are all competing with each other. What a miserable bunch.
The tabloids would never leave them in peace because then the BRF would sic the tabloids on them for leaving the family.
The way I see it is this: The BRF doesn’t want the Sussexes there. But they need them there because nobody cares about the rest of them otherwise (except for the Queen).
So unless the Sussexes just disappear and are never heard or seen again, their popularity is going to overshadow William and Charles because the Sussexes are much more interesting than William or Charles.
It doesn’t matter if the Sussexes leave or stay. They’re always going to be more popular than William and Charles.
So one of two things should’ve happened:
1) The Queen should NEVER have approved this marriage. Now, if Harry wants to leave the BRF and marry Meghan, fine. But you can’t marry Meghan and remain a part of the royal family, optics of not allowing a mixed race woman join the family be damned. Meghan is much more interesting and accomplished on her own and is American to boot, which would guarantee a lot of press attention. If the BRF/Firm was smart, they should’ve known that.
2) Ok, now that the marriage has happened, they should’ve used the Sussexes’ popularity to boost their own. Think of how much more popular both William & Charles would be if they had publicly embraced and harnessed the Sussexes’ popularity for their own gain.
The Queen would never have openly disapproved or withheld approval for their marriage. She learned her lesson with Margaret, and has since stopped interfering with her family’s private affairs. She tried it with Charles, her courtiers tried it with William and Kate (because Kate was not an aristocrat), and eventually relented because apparently, William was at a point where he did want to leave the RF/St. Andrews/whatever and Kate convinced him not to, and the palace realized that they could rely on her to keep him on the straight and narrow, so to speak. So there was really no way the Queen would have ever openly said no to Harry marrying Meghan, if doing so meant he would stay in the RF, no matter what she or anyone else thought.
I think that the RF does want them to remain in, because they are easily the most popular members of the RF. But they want their popularity to exist on terms dictated by the courtiers. They don’t want Meghan as an accomplished, successful woman, they want her to be someone whose self-esteem is solely dependent upon validation from the royals/aristocrats. I really think that her own sense of self really irked someone behind the scenes. These are a group of people who are much more used to be treated in a deferential way. You’re supposed to beg for their approval, not come along with your own self-confidence. I think all of this press negativity started as a result of that, among other things.
I read somewhere that the Queen was said to not understand why Meghan wanted or needed such a big wedding as she had already been married once before. This came out leading up to the wedding and was supposedly a remark she made when something was said to her about the veil Meghan was working to create and some problem that was run in to at the time surrounding it. I wish I could remember where I read it. I like the Queen, but I think for her it has always been DUTY and CROWN first, family last.
And here I thought the wedding was a reflection of Harry’s importance and place in the family.
It’s creepy for them to trot out the “Charles is worrying about Harry in the same way he worried about Diana” thing, for those who remember 90s royal gossip pushed by supporters of Charles that portrayed Diana as crazy, unhinged, paranoid. Her nickname among Charles’s crowd was reportedly The Mad Cow.
Also interesting wording that Charles is the Sussexes “paymaster”.
1. Remember, it was Charles’ biographer who had access to him who started ramping up the Meghan bashing.
2. If Meghan had bailed out of a meeting with Charles and he’s behind the smears, that tidbit would’ve been known earlier. I believe Meghan probably did bail out of a meeting with Charles, but he knew about it and was cool with it (probably pregnancy woes). So if Charles’ courtiers are releasing this tidbit now, it’s to shut down
Harry& Meghan due to the lawsuit.3. The royals that need to be sent away to the shadows are the Yorks, not the Sussexes. But I think when Harry & Meghan are cut from the BRF, Beatrice & Eugenie will be called up to the plate. I speculate a deal will be struck with Andrew & Fergie that Beatrice & Eugenie will be elevated to working royals (or at least more of the perks) in exchange for Andrew & Fergie retiring from royal life permanently.
4. There is no way for the Sussexes NOT to overshadow Charles or William except to disappear from royal life permanently. If Charles & William are truly about that life, they will push for the Queen to strip Harry & Meghan and send them about their way, which is actually what SHOULD happen. The reason I say this is you can’t have 2 cooks in the kitchen at the same time. Somebody has to go. Since it’s deemed that Charles & William will be the star chefs, Harry can’t be the star chef, too (but he’s not trying to be). The problem is, Harry & Meghan are getting loads of attention for being sous chefs on the side than Charles & William are getting for their cooking. That’s not their fault but if the BRF is too stupid to realize the gold mine they have in their hands with Harry & Meghan, then let them fail without them. Set H & M free and you do your thing over there.
5. But Meghan is a hustler who knows how to work and network. The Sussexes are wildly popular internationally so even if Harry & Meghan were ejected from the BRF, they could easily start their own projects independent of the BRF and be wildly successful. Shoot, they know the Obamas, Oprah, Jacinda Ardem, Hillary Clinton shouted them out, they could connect with Trudeau in Canada. There’s plenty of people outside of Britain (and probably people INSIDE of Britain, just not the aristocracy) who would support them.
6. Because Meghan knows how to work, Archie (and Harry) will never go hungry. This girl hustled when she was just regular Meghan from California and she can and will do it again.
7. The British Royal Family has been shown to be profoundly stupid. All both William and Charles had to do was show support for Meghan publicly and most of this wouldn’t be happening. Both William and Charles would’ve gotten great PR, but they are too stupid and jealous to realize it. Their loss.
8. I think the Sussexes would be safer in exile in North America than in Britain, even with the paps and tabloids. Go live in Toronto. They’d only be an hour or two away from the US and they’d be living in a Commonwealth country. William may not like it but oh well.
Excellent points. I’d add another: Harry had done real work in the past too. Flying helicopter missions in Afghanistan qualifies as a real job. Point being: they would both be fine if they had to “work” again.
Isn’t it weird now that Meghan’s family seems like amateurs in the hateful department? They are easy to “contain” in certain ways, but Harry’s family? Eeeeesh.
And even though everyone says they should leave the RF, can he? I remember Fergie in an interview right after her divorce from Pedo–kids were asking her if Bea and Eug could move to the US. She said that they literally couldn’t live in any other country because they are part of the royal family. I don’t know if that’s true, or just a simplistic answer for children, but the way she phrased it was that it was a “law” they couldn’t–not just that it would be frowned upon.
Since Harry is closer to the throne, CAN he legally leave the RF?
Yes I’m sure he can! He has to be able to, he may have to give up all his titles and royal financial support but they can’t hold him hostage in the UK and they can’t separate his son from him, I’d like to see them try that in this day and age. If a sitting King of England can be disentangled from the Royal Family, a prince several steps down the line of succession should be able to.
With Fergie and Andrew their daughters were titled as royal princesses from birth, and that status and keeping them close to the Queen was (AND IS) very important to them. Fergie didn’t want those girls pulled away from the seat of royal power or to lose their status or place in line for the throne. I mean look at Fergie now, she’s been divorced from Andrew for almost a quarter of a century and she is still clinging to royal proximity with all her might and has set her bum down permanently in Royal Lodge Windsor!
With the Sussexes it is quite different indeed— they didn’t want Archie to have such a title and if push comes to shove for their own family’s well being and happiness I don’t think they’d have any problem kissing the royal family goodbye.
Hmm, I don’t know. He might be able to give up the title of HRH, but like, there’s really no rules for this type of thing because it simply isn’t done. You don’t get to leave the royal family if you’re born into it, I think.
Same with like, aristocratic titles. He can’t give up the title as the Duke of Sussex probably. I think the rules for that are kind of strict, in that you’re only allowed to do that if you’ve inherited the title within the last year. And that provision was only really brought about because Tony Benn inherited his title and that made him ineligible to stand for election as an MP in the Parliament. Very few people have done that in the time since that law was enacted, and I doubt Harry would do be able to do that. And it’s kind of the same way for abdicating the throne too. You can only do it after you’ve inherited it, but I don’t know what the rules are for taking yourself out of the line of succession entirely.
It could very well be that he can’t leave, even if he wanted to. And even if he wanted to, him leaving would cause something of a constitutional crisis.
Of course he can leave and no, it wouldn’t cause a constitutional crisis. Any position he holds would be filled by another family member, there are always contingencies. I have no idea about the Duchy though.
Having said that, he shouldn’t HAVE to even consider leaving because tabloids are relentless, racist assholes.
A – aristocrats have given up their responsibilities, though not the title – a recent(ish) example being the 13th Duke of Bedford. In that case, he left his son and heir to manage his estates.
AllKindsofSugar – no idea with the Duchy either, because presumably Archie would be the heir. Also, would there be a problem with them leaving because Harry is a counsellor of state?
Agreed that they shouldn’t have to even consider leaving – as you said, because the tabloids are being relentless racist arseholes, but also because the Sussexes plainly want to work and are doing very well at it, which certain elements are plainly threatened by.
@AllKindsofSugar, but how would that work exactly? What are we talking about here? Is Harry going to give up his HRH and his place in the line of succession? Because I do not think he can actually do the latter by himself. I don’t think even the Queen can do that to someone else, which is why all the reports of Charles being passed over are always bogus. You can do things that will force you out (marrying without the Queen’s permission, formerly marrying a Catholic), but even then that only removes you from the line of succession, not the actual royal family itself. You still keep the royal titles, which brings up the next issue–will Harry be giving up his royal titles? Is going to choose to stop being an HRH and a Prince? If he doesn’t, then does it actually count as him having stepped away from his position? Even the Duke of Windsor, who abdicated the throne, kept the title of HRH. There is simply no precedent for someone like Harry just up and leaving the RF in the way people are talking about here. And even if he were the first, then there would absolutely need to be legislation put in place to facilitate that because he’d have to stop receiving funding from the state. The RF is a legal entity, and any changes to their positions has legal ramifications.
@twoz, giving up your responsibilities when it comes to managing your estate is not the same as giving up your title. And Harry is not in the same position as any other Duke in that it’s not like he’s got an estate and property and stuff that he has to manage. There has never been a titled aristocrat who has inherited their title and then voluntarily given up that title. It didn’t even used to be legal until the 1950s, like I said, and it is only permitted in one very specific circumstance. If you’re in line for a hereditary title, barring any specifications built into the passing down of said title, you can’t remove yourself from that succession. And if it comes to you, you have to take it.
Thank you for the replies. 🙂 It’s interesting to contemplate what their actual options are. . .I guess we just have to stay tuned.
Just weighing in a bit late. Harry can absolutely leave the RF if he chose to do so. His great-great-uncle did it. What would happen is that he would still be entitled to the inheritance from his mum, but he would most likely lose any income he gets from his dad through the Duchy of Cornwall and the Sovereign Grant. He would also not be entitled to the tax exemption he currently receives or the official duty expences. They would probably be allocated a small security detail, but that’s about it. I mean his inheritance alone would be enough so they would never have to work again and for Archie to have a very decent nest egg, but he would definitely have to earn a living. Considering the RF survived its king abdicating on the brink of a world war, I’m sure whether Harry is in the family or not would make very little difference (other than more money for the rest of them).
I’m so glad everyone is coming around to the “Charles does great work and has some great qualities but he can be kind of a crappy dad because he constantly puts himself and his reputation first” camp! It’s always been my feeling, especially as William and Harry got older, that he was controlling them through two things:
1) bad press—for instance the whole “I never see my grandchildren!!!” PR push which always read as manipulative to me considering how busy he is, which was confirmed by both William and Harry in the Charles at 70 documentary… like maybe if you have to completely schedule your life YOU need to be the one to make the effort?)
2) money—that little reminder that he’s Harry’s “paymaster” is no coincidence. People always assumed William would only suck up to Charles when he wanted money (and I’m sure that’s how the CH staff spun it) for renovations or whatever, but you can also flip that and read it as William being made to grovel so… I don’t know. It’s just a messed up dynamic in general given we don’t know how William’s inherited money is or isn’t tied up.
Both Charles and Will are water signs and we can be PETTY AF and deeply emotional about everything, including grudges. LOL
Ha, I still remember the “I never see my grandchildren” headlines where Charles blamed William for not giving him access.
“royal sources”; the “Sun” yeah, right.
Funny how folks believe everything they read in the tabloid trash when it suits their narrative, but call it all smears and lies when it doesn’t.
“Charles is worrying about Harry the same way he worried about Diana” Ah, yes, of course. Because THAT went so very well for all of them, didn’t it, that last time he “worried” about Diana. Was this supposed to be something that made him look good? Because it sure as heck doesn’t.
Anyway, they’re sneaking in a lot of smears here too, which I find hilarious and interesting in an awful way. ‘Meghan never showed up to an event’, ‘he’s undermining his father’s work and you don’t do that to your father and your paymaster,’ STFU Charles, for one fcking second, please. Good lord, every single member of this family is only ever interested in looking after themselves aren’t they? William, Charles, the Queen, Andrew–none of them seem to care about how their behaviour (or lack of it) might hurt other people. No, it’s only ever about themselves. The Windsors, party of 1, all of the time. If Charles cared so much about his son, and is so worried, why doesn’t pick up the phone, and actually ask his second child, “What can I do to make this easier/better for you and Meghan?” instead of complaining about how his son’s real sense of pain and hurt are actually overshadowing his life’s work. Good grief. None of this makes any of them look good.
Harry: People talking to the tabloids and selling them stories about me and my wife that are patently untrue and inherently designed to make us look bad makes me feel like shit actually. I wish people would stop doing that, or at least support us when these things are being said, because it would be nice to know at least my family has my back.
Charles/William: Okay but why aren’t you talking about how YOU feeling bad because WE make you feel bad makes US feel bad??? Huh???? Or are our feelings not important?????
LOL!! Chuck and Will: But what about ME!!!! Don’t you know that someone bashing YOU in the head makes ME feel pain? Never mind about YOU!!!
Love, the “Windsors party of 1” comment above!
Also, I wonder if the Queen’s support of Andrew is really all about his being her favorite son and not more about her trying to protect the Crown. Normal thinking would be to not photo op with him, etc., but the Queen and her advisors may see it more as we must contain this with public via leaning on press and media outlets to keep it low profile and try to keep a lid on it, because anything that escalates the ANDREW situation will definitely harm the CROWN’s stability. And to some degree this is working as even the ‘Prince and the Pediophile’ special that just aired in Britain has gotten almost no press or other media interest. I think she’s willing to take the personal hit of people thinking she’s protecting her favorite son and bad on her, when — for her — it may be more about protecting her life’s work, the CROWN. None of us really knows what she personally thinks of his behavior, but I think the history of her life is an indication that she will protect the CROWN and help it survive her at ALL costs. I think this is true of Charles position on this as well.
Charles should have just sat there and ate his food, as the expression goes. No one needed him to put his petty 2 cents in. He could have made some vague, above the fray comment, like there are times being in the public eye is difficult, yada yada, but we will persevere. He didn’t need to get covered in the mud, but the ego always dominates with this crew. Look how miserable he looks at this coronation, wondering when his time will come. They all need to seriously shut up and stop putting out these idiotic statements. They look so ridiculous, like they cant even deal.
where was Charles or William concern about Meghan and Harry welling being during the brutality of the British press during Meghan pregnancy. We all know that kind a of stress could have harm Archie we didn’t see support from Charles or William instead they both added on to the real pain that Meghan and Harry are still going through . They care now because everything is out in the public everyone in the world are asking tougher questions about the royal family. The queen can do all in her power to bury and silence the press to protect Andrew but Meghan and Harry are left alone to deal with the unhinged racist hateful press and royal reporters. I think that some people in the palace especially the courtiers are nervous about the lawsuit that’s why their suddenly rush to paint Harry and Meghan as emotionally fragile to undermining them as overly emotional. Because some the courtiers from the Cambridge side and as well as Charles courtiers were probably feeding some these Meghan stories to press and royal reporters their afraid that their covers will be blow . One royal reporters basically said that they got the go head from the palace courtiers that it’s was open season on Meghan . I believe that a lot of negative stories trace back to some courtiers who are willing work with press to damage Meghan and Harry reputation and popularity because William and Charles have egos the size of Texas no one should ever out shine them . William has the personality of wet paint with no charisma what so ever the media especially the British royal reporters can try all the want to make Kate seem interested no one is buying what their selling all they have is she will be queen one day . And if William or Kate were smart they would realize that what the press is doing Harry and Meghan will Happen to George and charlotte the heir verses the spare . Best believe the press will have a field day with those two and the ugliest happens to their children they will finally know how Meghan and Harry feel .
I agree with ARTHISTORIAN above. The ANDREW situation is criminal behavior of the worst kind and it can end up as a real crisis to the survival of the monarchy. And thus, ANDREW continues to fly under the radar. I think this is not so much about Harry and Meghan (sad and horrific as I think this is) as it is about keeping the media focus away from ANDREW. The monarchy has always been about throwing family members to the wolves to protect the CROWN. I think, CROWN thinking is as long as the CROWN survives the current Queen, even sacrificing a beloved grandson and his family is not too high a price to pay to continue a 1000 year old institution. On here, we look at the horrific behavior towards Harry and Meghan from a humanistic viewpoint but I think the CROWN (and I’m including both Charles’s and William’s courts) looks on it Throwing H and M to the wolves as the price of doing business.
The most dysfunctional family in the world.
The Windsors do seem to be exceptionally dysfunctional, even compared to other royal families. I know most about the Scandinavian RFs and they seem positively normal compared to the Windsors.
@ArtHistorian, the Scandinavian RFs have their own sh-t to deal with, but it largely pales in comparison to the sh-t the BRF deals with, lmao.
I think the fact that they are royalty (and the unique pressures that position comes with) will always ensure that there is an oddness that it is impossible for outsiders to fully understand. However, I also have a gut feeling that the older generation of the BRF never entirely left the Edwardian age behind, which is one of the reasons that I think they are extra fucked up. It is like they are living in a time-pocket on top of the general insulation that comes with extreme privilege – and that removes them even more from the people.
The Swedish RF seems to be the weirdest of the Scandi royals but I think that has a lot to do with the king being a douche.
I think that the Danish RF would have been quite dysfunctional today if Ingrid of Sweden hadn’t married the heir in the 1920s. I don’t think that it was a coincidence that both of Christian X’s sons had alcohol problems, especially the younger son Prince Knud.
This is just an ad for chucks documentary on tonight. Bash Meghan and Harry , advertise Chucks work.
Isn’t this just a rehash of William’s alleged fury over the documentary clip& the Pakistan tour? I said the other day these reporters would be spinning with their sources. Not that I can’t see Charles being annoyed his work is being overshadowed given his history when he was married to Diana.
Re leaving the BRF-think they would keep their titles but stop being working royals& be responsible for their own expenses. It would be fascinating as would the Firm really want them to be on the outside doing stuff that eg Fergie had to do to keep them in lifestyle they are accustomed to? Like a lucrative autobiography?
Random thought: would have been cool if the Cambridge’s had done a documentary especially as their tour was about promoting the country, although I know it was short. Some of the scenery was amazing& there is a large Pakistani community in UK but you don’t really get mainstream coverage of the country.
So are we all up to date on the fact that Dan ‘knock knee’ Wooton who wrote that article, and several articles attacking Meghan especially, is good friends with William’s and Kate’s press secretary? Deep throat said to “follow the money” during the watergate scandal… so I say “follow the leaks” for this scandal, all roads leads back to the very jealous rosebud loving William!
That’s a stretch!
Lainey confirmed that Dan Wootton is tight with William and Kate’s press secretary so if he wrote this, it makes Charles look selfish and takes the heat off William and his bs “fragile” statement about Harry’s mental health, which was gaslighting and contradicts his entire mental health advocacy position.
It’s weird to me Lainey picked up that Popb*tch tidbit so many months after it ran. My guess is that Dan Wootton has more than one source in the three difference palaces just based on the sourcing in the bigger piece from today. I tried to go back through his archives to find earlier Royal Family reporting and, ironically, this is the earliest one I could find:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/5022496/meghan-markle-princess-diana-comparisons-royal-engagement-wedding/
The sourcing from that article is tidbits from Jobson book about Charles —- in the book Robert jobson mentions an incident where Meghan first said yes to attending an event with Charles, but her advisers told her not to because it was going to be filmed, she subsequently said no she could not attend it. So if you look at Dan “Knock knee” Wooten’s piece -it’s quilted old information from jobson book from a year ago, laced with supposed insight of how Charles feel. this kind of article with extra information is suppose to make a dubious “sources” information sound legit. If this was a true source with solid inside information, it would not be peppered with old open knowledge. Dan has no real sources, he is a knock kneed crooked teeth liar
Charles’ hands don’t look healthy so the crown very well may skip from Liz to Bill. Charles needs to be worrying why his fingers all look like bratwursts instead of worrying about how the Sussexes’ popularity dims his own.
There is an easy fix Charles. Stand up for your son and wife. Speak out against the tabloid smears and shut them down. That will stop the drama.
This is an interesting article by ByLine Investigates. Apparently, Meghan’s claim cites examples of articles (Straight Outta Compton, etc) that shows a pattern of harassment.
EXCLUSIVE: Meghan Markle Claims Mail Suppressed Key Parts of Her Letter to her Father About ‘Exploitation by British Tabloids’
https://www.bylineinvestigates.com/mail/2019/10/24/meghan-markle-claims-mail-suppressed-key-parts-of-her-letter-to-her-father-about-exploitation-by-british-tabloids-6g6m2
It doesn’t take much investigating to expose the racist smear campaign of Meghan Markle. Subtle it ain’t but I appreciate reporters spelling it out for people.
Thank you for posting these articles. They articulate everything that’s wrong with the tabloid press coverage of Meghan and Harry. The parking lot story was especially egregious, and the website’s break down of it, plus the Sun’s exact intentions, then their stupidity with the retraction, all of it demonstrates a very intentional effort to behave a certain way towards H&M, and it’s what a lot of people have been saying for the last year.
Charles is a fusty old bore who treated the mother of his children like garbage. He has rehabbed his reputation and managed to get most people to accept his Rottweiler wife, but his “worry about Harry like he worried about Diana” rubs me the wrong way. It’s no secret he pushed the narrative that Diana was a lunatic.
Hey Chuckles…we’ll never forget that you said you wanted to be Camilla’s tampon. On the day of your coronation, should it ever come, remember that the world will see you as a big, wrinkly old used tampon.
Saw your comment after I posted mine. That is literally what comes to mind every time I look at his clammy old “Wallace and Grommit” face …
Not that I want it to … bleck.
This is the same man who is on tape pining to be reincarnated as Hatchet-face McHomewrecker’s tampon.
But yeah, Meghan’s “drama” is totally why nobody takes him seriously.
I don’t think Harry is his child, and Harry’s baby looks like Thomas Markle…probably added aggravation to the Royals.
Alerte trolls 😷