You know how the Buckingham Palace communications office is run by amateurs and you know how the royal courtiers are just a bunch of incompetent fools? Yeah, we’re still in that f–king newscycle. Over the weekend, the palace was trying to push about twenty competing and contradictory narratives around the Duke of York’s absolutely catastrophic BBC interview. There are so many different pieces to this, and I will continue to try to separate some of the strands of incompetence so that we can highlight just how bad all of this is.
One of the stupidest parts of the weekend stories? Courtiers and PR officials burned Princess Beatrice for no real reason. The idea SHOULD be to triage the PR disaster and isolate Prince Andrew, and insulate the rest of the royals. Instead, we saw the Queen doing the most to INSULATE ANDREW, and we saw the official story become “the interview was Beatrice’s fault, she sat in on meetings with the BBC and encouraged her father to do the interview.” It was almost as if the palace was throwing her under the bus as collateral damage… but to what end? What was the purpose? Anyway, Beatrice visited her father in Windsor yesterday and they must have come up with this story, which is so obvious it hurts. Sebastian Shakespeare at the Daily Mail bought it though?
If only Prince Andrew had listened to his nearest and dearest before he went ahead with his disastrous Newsnight interview that has resulted in him stepping down from royal duties. For I can reveal that his ex-wife Sarah, Duchess of York, and eldest daughter Beatrice both cautioned him against doing the programme, while his then private secretary Amanda Thirsk was more gung-ho, thinking it could offer him a chance to draw a line under his association with Jeffrey Epstein.
‘Princess Beatrice and Sarah both advised Andrew against going ahead with the interview,’ a friend claims. ‘However, he paid too much attention to Amanda, who was encouraging him, saying it would clear his name.’
This contradicts weekend reports that Sarah Ferguson and Beatrice were among the key figures pressing him to participate. It was claimed that the Duchess of York had been keen to end the speculation about Andrew’s involvement with a convicted paedophile and sex trafficker ahead of Beatrice’s wedding to property developer Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi next year. However, Fergie did not attend the meeting with the Newsnight team and was abroad when details of the interview were being finalised.
Andrew, Beatrice and Thirsk met Newsnight presenter Emily Maitlis and the programme’s deputy editor, Stewart Maclean, at Buckingham Palace three days before filming to discuss the scope of the interview. A close friend of Beatrice insists she ‘wasn’t part of the decision-making process’. The pal adds: ‘Bea went to one meeting with the BBC. That’s all.’
Princess Beatrice, who hosted a party for her fiance’s 36th birthday at Mayfair nightclub Annabel’s last Tuesday, was said to be upset about the aftermath of the interview, which has seen Andrew forced to stand back from his charity patronages.
So Beatrice definitely met with BBC producers as part of the discussions… but she did not offer her advice to her father at all? That’s not believable. That being said, Beatrice should understand that she’s being used as a deliberate attempt to protect the Queen from herself. The Queen’s terrible instincts to protect and insulate Andrew have all led to this: courtiers running around, smearing anyone and everyone, all as the Queen continues to show her clear favoritism towards Andrew. While we’re talking about Beatrice, we’re supposed to forget that the Queen ABSOLUTELY knew about the interview and gave her approval for it. We’re supposed to forget that the Queen did those church-ride photo-ops with Andrew all summer and fall, and that she wanted to ride out the catastrophe and support Andrew post-interview, but Charles wouldn’t let that happen. I don’t blame Beatrice for trying to do some damage control on her own, but it’s clear that the palace is perfectly willing to burn her.
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Andrew has already burned Beatrice by making her his alibi for the assault on Virginia Giuffe with Pizza Gate. The FBI and the SDNY prosecutors can call her in to corroborate Andrew’s account in the interview.
The pizza party which, without a doubt, Bea will not recall all the details about, lest she contradict Daddy Pedo.
I have NO doubt that Freeloader and Bea pushed him to do it. Freeloader, in particular, will push ALL and EVERYTHING that will continue to allow her to ride the gravy train. W/out Pedo, she has NOTHING. Bea, well… it’s her father, and I *can* understand her *wanting* to believe him/his story. But yeah… in the light of *all* that has come out (and, more to come!), I don’t know how she could do this, and allow herself to be used by her parents (unless it’s some sort of PTSD from being used by her parents all her life).
And we ALL knew that, eventually, it’d be Pedo’s sec’y, Thirsk, that would eventually go under the wheels of the bus to take the ultimate fall.
I’m thinking Bea is not too bright.
@minx, the whole family seems dumber than a box of rocks.
I don’t watch the Crown, and won’t because I am so done with the Queen. Is Andrew a part of the storyline yet? More broadly, why does the Queen favor him?
You should watch it! It’s not like it’s an official Buckingham palace documentary benefiting the queen. It’s very well done but I think more than a few moments of artistic license and assumptions. I find the acting performances of people wrestling with obligation vs personal feelings pretty good. And I just sort of look at it as any time of performance of that kind of dynamic, it doesn’t matter to me as much that it’s specifically the BRF.
That being said Andrew is only shown as a smaller kid for this season. I think historically people assume he’s the favorite because he was the first one born once the queen was more settled into her role and had more “time” (honestly I don’t think she made a ton of time for any of them.) so he got to be the doted on one!
If you step back from it, The Crown isn’t so much about the Queen – Elizabeth the person, that is – but about an institution and how people are grist for the mill that keeps the institution afloat and crushes the spirit of people who get in its way. I think, anyway.
Prairiegirl – very accurate description. I agree with your take.
Andrew in the current season of The Crown is just a little boy, hiding in the background in a few fleeting scenes. The next Season (4) will be very interesting to watch as the Queen’s children transition into their adult roles. I would also recommend that you give The Crown a watch, they don’t portray the Royal Family as flawless. It’s a brilliant insight into their sense of entitlement and tries to show how it’s drilled into their heads that duty to The Crown comes first. A spoof of Andrew is portrayed in the hilarious series, The Windsors where they show him as an oily, unscrupulous bastard. I always chortle at the scene where Bea & Eugenie moan to Anne about how impossible it is for them to hold on to jobs, “But we have no work ethic! It’s been bred out of us’” 😂
@EvilOwl – sometimes I think the Windsors is more accurate than the Crown LOLOL.
I’ve seen a lot of criticism about the Crown this season for how “inaccurate” it is, and I think what that really means is that the Queen is portrayed colder than in the first two seasons. I think both she and Phillip don’t look great in this season – maybe that’s due to how Colman and Menzies play them, but I think part of is that some of her “missteps” can no longer be chalked up to being young and learning the role etc. (I’m not done the season yet though). but also, it is a dramatization of real life events, of course some things are going to be fictionalized more than others.
But I think it does a good job of showing how “the monarchy” is protected at all costs, which I think we are seeing this week with Andrew. Elizabeth the mother may have wanted to protect him, but Charles and others know that Elizabeth the Queen had to “fire” him.
I think the truest statement Andrew has made is that he does not remember Virginia. I’m sure he has as much memory of her as he would a towel he used to dry himself with. She was just a nameless faceless Vaginia obtained for his use. Like a chocolate left on a hotel pillow.
How about the scenes with Prince Phillip’s valet holding a basin for the prince to spit in as he brushes his teeth. I read a biography on Charles that said he — at least used to — have someone who squeezed his toothpaste onto his toothbrush for him. Most of the royals Iive such an unbelievably pampered life. If you don’t see an issue with having a servant follow you around so you can spit in a basin why would one think there’s a problem with having a female procured for you because you wish for sex.
the anecdote about charles having someone squeeze toothpaste onto his toothbrush was from when he had a broken arm.
@Becks1 : The Windsor’s is a MUST SEE. Funny as hell and has great actors too. I watched it for a month when I had a free Netflix trial and I miss it very much.
Do any of you watch “The Royals”? It’s an old series and it’s a fictional family, not the current ones, totally different. But the Duke of York character is totally trash and he has 2 daughters that are kinda, sorta like Bea and Eug. It’s hilarious how smarmy the Duke of York is, especially given what we are finding out about Andrew. And this series was shot in 2012-2014, I think. It streams on Amazon now.
OMG I LOVED that show!!
Sadly, the creator was a sleaze, and because of *his* actions, the show had to be cancelled (as he held all the rights).
@MSIAM: Thanks for the suggestion. I am going to go and find the Royals on Amazon Prime. Need my fictional RF fix now that I’ve binge watched the Crown season 3
I saw every episode of the show. Elizabeth Hurley & Joan Collins are to die laughing for!
@ EvilOwl : You MUST include The Windsors too IMO for it to be a complete exercise. It is TOO funny and who doesn’t need good laugh these days?
@Becks I co-sign completely! The characters on the Windsors may be exaggerated caricatures but there is a kernel of hilarious truth in their campy personas.
William – the righteous tool
Kate- the simpering fool
Bea & Eug – the clueless, party loving dolts
Charles – the dithering, blathering kilt wearing idiot
Camilla – the chain smoking, gin drinking diabolical schemer
Harry – the illiterate meathead
Pippa – the jealous, social climbing harlot who’s secretly in love with Harry
Fergie – the tragic scrounger always looking for a free drink & a chance to flash her ‘freckly bangers’
Special appearances by Meghan – obsessed with her Suits persona, and a bit extra.
It’s mine and my girlfriends go-to show for a silly laugh
It’s hysterical.
@evilOwl I watched it, and then like a year later had my husband watch one episode just randomly and he LOVED it and we watched the whole thing in like two nights lol. He keeps calling William “Wills” now and has all these opinions on Christmas at Sandringham LOL.
Becks1 : Christmas at Sandringham was fantastic. I loved the part where Anne pressured Kate to prepare the special family meal of carp (fish) from the estate pond. Kate was told she had to catch the fish and Anne handed her an axe and told her she would need it as the pond was frozen over and Kate would have to chop through the ice to go fishing!
Thank you, everyone, for your comments on the Crown! Might give it a try now; I do absolutely love Olivia Coleman.
Seconding all this, and you can’t watch the final moments of S3E2 without just handing Olivia Colman an Emmy. Everyone on that show, all seasons, is doing top work.
The acting and production values are just excellent.
I’d recommend watching Season 3, Episode 3: Aberfan.
It reveals her flaws rather well.
The different PR people should really be able to run a combined, focused strategy and prevent leaks instead of everyone running off an putting out statements and comments just for one fraction. It just underlines that Charles’ plan of streamlining the monarchy makes sense for many reasons.
First Andrew uses his daughter to cushion the blow and now this article, stating the complete opposite, presumably comes from the Bea/Fergie corner.
There are definitely multiple competing factions, but it’s clear Charles is a big part of the problem. He could for everyone to get in line (he controls the purse strings) and stay on message/on brand, but he doesn’t because he’s the one in this whole narrative that comes out smelling like a rose. His popularity has increased.
Actually, TQ still holds the pursestrings for Pedo and a lot of other family members, through the Duchy of Lancaster income.
Charles’ Duchy pays for *his* direct line. While he may be able to influence Mumsy on some things, she will NEVER stop supporting her favorite little Pedo personally. NEVER.
@OG – I disagree. The RR’s are going to be auditing those accounts to the Nth degree. If Charles managers to get Andy kicked out and / or the FBI question Andy and there is even a whiff of impropriety Andy is finished.
If the public get a whiff that Paedo is still getting public funds the Monarchy will then be finished.
Mignionette, aren’t the Duchy monies For both TQ and Charles considered their *private* income? As opposed to the Sovereign Grant, which is the income given to TQ for official duties? If she gives Pedo a dime from *that* bank account, yes, I agree with you. But I don’t know about the monies for DoL money. That I thought was hers, to do with as she pleases, for her “private” life, ie: non-official residences, “off duty” clothing, food, family, etc.
Is it wrong of me to believe their story, though? I believe that without direct knowledge of the interview they were for it. Andrew and his people sold it as the way he could clear his name and get the word out about his various patronages and royal work. By the time the actual interview came around it was solely about his relationship with Epstein and I’m sure nor Bea nor Fergie signed up to be alibis on the international stage.
This is not their fault however awful they are separately.
Fergie conveniently overseas when the interview took place, I’m waiting to hear more about HER role in everything. Of course she wants Bea to have a splashy wedding, then she (Fergie) gets to be front and center with the royals.
And we all know Fergie has accepted money wherever she could find it, I really hope her part in everything is being investigated as well.
Not buying the Bea-as-guilty-party story for two seconds. This poor woman just wants to get married and her awful parents have pretty much ruined it.
Fergie being overseas is the best lie they could come up with? As if she wasn’t a phone call or text away. They deserve all the backlash they’re receiving
Not a *big* selling point, as she’s in SA, saying how wonderfully nice and delightful everyone is being to her, and how lovely the royal family there is. Let her tell that to Khashoggi’s widow and kids.
SA= South Africa or Saudi Arabia?
I thought S Africa at first too, Bay. Pretty sure she is referring to the UAE.
Fergie was in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia at some point the week of the Newsnight interview. She spoke on a panel and praised Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman for his great leadership.
@Tourmaline, You must be f-ing with us. Did she really praise the murderer MBS (aka…Mohammed bin Salman)?
@BayTampaBay hahaha I wish! indeed she DID.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7718721/Sarah-Duchess-York-cosies-Saudi-Crown-Prince.html
@bay, nope. Tourmaline is being serious. She said something about how wonderful the people of SA were and then made a comment about how that was due to having a strong leader or something. It was pretty bad.
@(THEOG)@Jan90067 : I teaching in Riyadh right now and I can tell you that (1) Saudis are wonderfully friendly people and (2) most of them love MBS and see him as a progressive leader for their country. Or at least that’s what they say publicly.
Oh Beatrice RUN.
I get that’s her father, but she should know she shouldn’t be nowhere to be seen near him.
I think it’s possible Beatrice initially cautioned against an interview but tried to advise Prince Andrew the best she could when she couldn’t talk him out of it. I don’t know about Fergie. She’s a grifter but when it comes to her daughters, she starts to change course. The royal family is incredibly tone deaf in their response to Prince Andrew.
Would someone please get the lies straight.
Before the disastrous interview, I could see Bea supporting the idea to do it. That’s her dad, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if she’d assumed he was completely innocent without question and encouraged him to clear the air. It must have been devastating for her and Eugenie to watch
I really feel sorry for her because she’s had her heart broken badly before and I can see this guy going the same way.
Those are my thoughts aswell, if she thought him innocent then it makes sense she would ask him to speak to the press as soon as possible to clear his name.
Now, I’m curious to know, did she know he was going to use her as his alibi?
I grew up in a very toxic family and I can tell you from experience that it is hard for someone in their twenties to comprehend that their parents are not looking out for their (the adult child’s) best interest. The toxic family narrative is strong (“I have done everything and sacrificed for YOU”, says the toxic grifter-martyr parent to the child) and the whole family repeats the chant. It is very hard for Bea (and Eugenie) to see past this and understand their parents are not protecting them but instead are covering their own asses at the expense of their children’s well-being.
Her father burned her not once but twice – he made her his alibi and he’s now trying to say that he didn’t really want to do but she made him. He’s disgusting.
However, the original story was that she was initially against it until that meeting with the BBC Newsnight team where she changed her mind.
Am still not convinced her wedding will happen – he’s going to dump her and she will have her father to blame.
Exactly. I feel like Bea was probably against it going into the meeting and then once she was in a room with PA, Amanda Thirsk, and the BBC folks she basically threw up her hands and said “Fine. You want to do this? Whatever.” Hence the flip-flop narrative.
I feel there’s a big lack of communication. They were obviously completely unprepared for Andrew to screw the pooch as bad as he did but they need to communicate and come up with a clear plan of attack.
The Palace’s complete ineptitude over this matter is growing into a Monty Python level gong show. At this point, if they’re not going to bring in an outside PR firm, and do everything they say to mitigate the situation they should just be quiet. This.is.ridiculous.
I feel for the York sisters. Fergie has been vocal over the years about borrowing money from her daughters since they were young (apparently the Queen Mum left her great-grandchildren trusts) and Fergie’s over-the-top fawning over Andrew in a desperate attempt to get back into Royal life is cring-inducing for this outsider so I can only imagine what was like to experience it daily. Sadly, it seems Andy and Fergie will throw their daughters under a bus to save themselves. Those girls have already been treated shabbily because people don’t like their parents; now people will talk about what they knew about PA and Epstein and when they knew it.
By all accounts the Princess’s are good/nice people and yeah they’ve had a hard time by the press cause their parents are pretty much hated and are known awful people.
Its sad that Bea is pretty much treated as the adult in the room by her parents, which only highlights how immature and dysfunctional they both are. Its also worth noting that the RF has a history of learning difficulties as both Harry and Bea have been diagnosed with dyslexia which is hereditary.
I agree they are like human shields deployed against their parents’ bad judgement. Fergie’s over the top fawning over Andrew has now widened to her over the top fawning about Jack Brooksbank and Edo Mozzi whatever.
I think the use of the girls as tools for reputation management started during the Yorks marriage when Fergie would bring them along on her vacays with other men to make it look more like a wholesome bucket and spade trip. Then who can forget after the separation when she brought them to stand in the crowds outside Royal Ascot to wave at Granny in her carriage. And years later deployed to be filmed sobbing and upset on Fergie’s Oprah network documentary after her “I haven’t got a pot to piss in – fill up this briefcase with cash and I’ll give you access to Andrew” scandal.
There is just something so sleazy and pathetic about Fergie asking her daughters to dig into their trust funds to loan her money, all because she can’t manage her finances. I get that her divorce settlement from Andrew wasn’t much relatively, but she needed to be an adult and figure it out.
Exactly! Fergie has had opportunities: sponsorships, books, etc. She has paid off large debts before, or had them forgiven, and then racks up more debt, tries to sell access to her ex-husband or borrows money from her daughters. PA uses the girls to get a better position in the BRF and have them be “working royals” so PA can keep enjoying the royal perks.
So, at a time when Beatrice and Eugenie should be living their own lives and enjoying being newlyweds or planning a wedding, they are being pulled in different directions and every criticism people have with their parents are visited upon B&E.
The tip-off that this story is BS is that it has Sarah Ferguson as one of the people advising not to do the interview. She is one of the stupidest and greediest people around and was no doubt in my mind one of the people who told him to do the interview. She has awful judgment and craves publicity.
I agree, Fergie is not one to counsel restraint and prudence.
The narrative just on DM has gone from blaming Amanda Thirsk his private secretary to blaming Fergie to blaming Bea and now we are back to Amanda Thirsk. Who by the way is not even being fired we are told she will continue as CEO of Pitch and be ‘privately’ paid.
Still horrified by the way that Andrew was allowed to take a cut of Pitch at the Palaces proceeds for his own pocket. WTF. What kind of Royal sets up a scheme like that, well Andrew of course! Total avarice and greed.
One of the first stories out after the interview was that Andrew had already been talking about an interview with BBC about his charity work and that Sarah supported him doing that interview. I don’t think anyone besides Andrew and Thirsk thought it was a good idea to devote an entire interview to his relationship with Epstein. She’s not the brightest, but she’s smarter than that.
That goes against the other post about Fergie blaming the victim but ok if she thinks that.
I keep wondering about that horse riding photo opt. I do horse riding sometimes and I know perfectly well that sitting on a slow walking horse can even require certain strength and fitness especially in your spines. Not to speak about other health hazards that may come from any sudden movement of the horse. I mean which 93 years old person in their right mind would willingly go horseback riding in the rain! Even for ex-athletes, it would be a challenge and huge health risk at this age! And for the Queen?? If I recall correctly, one or two months ago she could not wear a crown to the parliament because it was too heavy and exhausting for her. And there are all the safety protocols that exist for any common non-royal heads of states when it comes to their health.
She has rode every day, barring excursions abroad for the past 88 years. It might not be the problem for her that it would be for someone who rarely rides?
FTR, I think it’s a really dumb idea, I also think it’s amazing that she can. I wonder if she still swims?
The Queen no longer rides the large horses but smaller ponies. In that recent picture, you can see how small her mount is.
This a situation where I can see both versions being true – Beatrice advising him in FAVOR of the interview and cautioning against it. As others have said, he’s her father, if she thought he was completely innocent, she may not have seen the harm in the interview. But I can also see her being more realistic and thinking “this is not going to end well” and telling him not to do it. Either way could make sense in my mind.
But, now its clear that someone wanted it out there that Beatrice and Fergie were in support of the interview, and they are now countering that. My Tinfoil Tiara Theory from yesterday is that it is more about Fergie than Beatrice, but it just happens that Beatrice was the one in the meeting. But it seemed clear that the initial stories were trying to use Beatrice sort of as a conduit for Fergie (she was in contact with her mother, etc) and that Beatrice is going to get the blame as a way to also blame Fergie, which could sideline Fergie as she starts to make her “royal comeback” so to speak.
But again, its clear that the Yorks aren’t going to let that happen.
I think Beatrice was against the interview but did her best to advise Prince Andrew. It’s possible Fergie was against it, too. I mean, Fergie is not the smartest person in the room but she probably knows more than anyone what went on with Epstein. Once she realized he was going through with it, maybe she thought Beatrice could advise him on how to answer the questions. It’s terrible what those two did to their daughters but it’s possible Fergie & Beatrice were against it. Fergie knows & is trying to protect her image, her daughters, etc. Beatrice believes her father but knows he’s just dumb & privileged. Who knows.
The only reason I don’t think Fergie was against it is that I really think, despite everything, she has Andrew on a pedestal. Did you see her IG post about him around the time of the interview? It was gag-inducing. I also don’t think Fergie has a good grasp on image/reputation “control.” I can see her thinking “once they hear your side Andy EVERYTHING WILL BE FINE.” Like you said, who knows. Maybe Fergie did realize the potential problem of this interview.
But, my point about Fergie is less whether or not she was actually in support of it and more that I think someone wants it out there that she was (regardless of the truth), in an effort to make her look bad. I’m sort of imagining someone having to tell Philip about this and he says “blame Fergie.”
Like I said, its my tinfoil tiara theory of the week lol.
@Becks1. Yes her Insta and Twitter posts about Andrew the day before the interview aired were nauseating. Definition of delusional.
I do think there are probably courtiers at BP who want to place blame on Fergie to detract from the fact BP let this happen. Easier to blame her than the Queens golden boy who we’ve been told is now seen as”the man about the house” at BP now that Phil is retired.
My Tinfoil Tiara Theory is that Andrew wanted to do the interview and NO could talk him out of it. Therefore, “someone” said. “If you are going to do this you need to get it right”.
The only people to blame for this fiasco is Andrew himself and the professional PR people at BP that I are suppose to save him from himself.
Were is Agatha Raisin when you need her? LOL! LOL!
@bay – I agree that I think once Andrew decided to do the interview, no one was going to change his mind. But I would not be surprised if Fergie was encouraging him to reach that point. That doesn’t mean Andrew is excused.
My second Tinfoil Tiara Theory of the day is that Fergie feels if she cannot get back into the BRF then Andrew needs to permanently retired and be exiled with her. I would think that she would have more control over Andrew if he was exiled from the BRF than if he was still in semi-good graces with the BRF.
Could Fergie have driven this plot to get Andrew to do the interview for the above reason or is she not that smart. After throwing Beatrice under the bus (I am sure Eugenie and Jack with distance themselves from Andrew for their own PR protection-Jack is quite intelligent on these things), Fergie is really all he has left to dote on him 24-7-365.
@BTB – I love your theory but sadly if you watch any interview with Fergie you will rapidly ascertain that she is as thick as two short railway sleepers. She couldn’t run a bath never mind a cunning strategy of any kind. I think the clearest indication of who did what lies in the timing. When Andrew was telling everyone – especially Mummy – how brilliantly it had gone the day after then Fergie and Bea were getting the credit for encouraging him to do it. When it finally soaked through that it had been an unmitigated disaster then suddenly Bea and Fergie are reported to have told him not to do it. Like the Queen – Emily Maitlis herself reported that final approval for the interview came from his mother. Again, that was not disputed until the opprobrium kept coming and then it was specifically denied after the fact.
This is such a mess and I can only imagine how Beatrice is feeling.
Or the original story was bs made up by a rag that tears down the York girls any chance it gets?!
I am honestly surprised by this. Seeing palace courtiers throw other members of the family to protect Pedo Prince and his mummy is to be expected at this point, but usually they use a certain bi-racial duchess, not a “born-in” royal.
Throwing his own daughter under the bus not once but twice – he made Bea his alibi – to save his own skin. What a class act Randy Andy is. He’s right there with Papa Markle for the Father of the Year award.
Except Bea and Eug will NEVER be trashed if they don’t talk to Pedo again for this, they will NEVER be excoriated day after day, week after week, because Pedo’s actions caused them to distance themselves. That’s reserved for “someone else”. And eventually, this will ALL be “forgiven and swept under the rug”, unlike for another certain other royal.
Yep, they’ll never face a smear campaign like MM does.
And the gag is that even if Meghan got back in touch with his dad, the media would still criticize her every step along the way. Every time her dad or Scammy would screw up, the press would blame Meghan.
Those vultures are just looking for a reason any reason, to hate and slander her. I can’t qwhite put my finger on the reason why that is…
Honestly at this point I’m starting to wonder if the Palace isn’t purposely throwing all of this out so that they have plausible deniability that any of it came from them. Because these new competing narratives each day are ludicrous and while I know they’re bad with PR, can they really be THIS bad?
The way it is now, they can just act like the papers are making everything up because it’s so ridiculous. In any case I feel sorry for Beatrice for being dragged into this mess.
Diana use to do just that. When a story came out that she did not like, she would contact a competing reporter at the same tabloid that she was close too and give a slightly different variation of the same story so no one would know what really went down.
@Bay it’s the only thing that makes sense — this has veered so completely out of control into absurdity.
Tin foil tiara theory: Andy got sacked the minute the press got interested in following the money. The BRF doesn’t want the press looking at the Firm’s money. This is the whole reason they even chose to fire him. Now, these competing narratives are to give the press stories to cover so they don’t go back to digging into finances.
That’s exactly what I’ve been saying too! The royals really don’t want anyone looking into the variety of “gifts” they’ve received over the years from various “friends”.
Is that not what Deep Throat told Bob Woodward back in the 1970’s when the press was trying to investigate Nixon, “Follow the Money”?
@Rapunzel that makes so much sense.
Isn’t the key here that all this bluster, briefing and counter-briefing about the interview is distracting from the real issue, which is Andy’s longtime association with a paedophile? What did they all know about that? How did each individual member of the RF counsel Andy about that? I really don’t care who told him whether to sit down with the BBC and when. Did anyone in the RF ever say “hey Andy, stop having sex with trafficked underage girls, it’s disgusting and wrong?”
No? Let’s just keep getting worried about the interview then.
True. At the end of the day, does it matter who told him to do the interview or who advised against it? The point is what Andrew was actually doing with Epstein and the victims.
Exactly right. I’d love Ronan Farrow to dig into what Andrew was actually doing with Epstein and his victims….
What an awful family. I’d rather be poor than to live with all that. Royalty is bs.
In Prince Pedo’s world women are only good for positive sex acts or throwing under the bus.
Off topic I find it interesting that the press are going after Bea when theoretically Eugenie would be the better target given her charity for anti-slavery.
I feel like the press know something and they are trying to drive a wedge between Bea and Edo by putting pressure on Bea. A bit like they did with Meghan and her family before the wedding.
Mummy and Daddy threw Bea under the bus, and Bea visited him yesterday with Edo. My tinfoil tiara theory: Bea and Edo read Andy the riot act and Bea said, “change the story, and stop talking about me.”
*tinfoil tiara theory* It seems that Bea is taking a leaf out of Harry and Meghan’s playbook and is refusing to be thrown under the bus by various factions of the royal family. I believe that these palaces and their courtiers are caught of guard by the fact that H&M and now Bea aren’t willing to take it anymore and are speaking out and setting the records straight. What a toxic family.
Nah. If she were truly taking a page from H&M’s book she wouldn’t have gotten involved in the first place. Which she clearly was and now the Palace is using that to throw her under the bus.
The best thing Beatrice could have done for HERSELF was stay completely out of it. The fact that she very clearly was involved with speaking to BBC producers gives the Palace just enough ammunition to use against her.
Can you imagine how it feels to not only have Fergie and Andrew for parents (with all that entails) but to also know that your grandma will throw you under the bus to protect her own image?
Abolish the monarchy.
About that pizza party…
If it was a party for Bea, wouldn’t they ALL have been there, Fergie and Eugenie included? So why aren’t they all being dragged into this mess and not just Bea?
I thought it was something like a school friends of Beas birthday? At any rate he said Fergie was out of town (they had been divorced for years by then) . He hints he couldn’t have been out that night for that reason as one was always at home but I’m sure in those days at Sunninghill Park there were always nannies at the ready.
The whole Pizza Express alibi is a red herring in my opinion. Kid pizza parties wrap up long before it’s time for nightlife at Ghislaine’s mews house in Belgravia and popping out to a nightclub. Plus, Virginia has always said that was her best guess for the date of the picture, not 100 percent for sure. I can understand it’s hard to keep good calendar records when you are a teenager being dragged from place to place to be used as a party favor by Ghislaine and Jeffrey and their pals.
I believe this. I believe that Bea did in fact advise her dad against doing it, but relented and hoped for the best because he wasn’t going to budge and she wanted to be supportive, not negative. I thought that the way they characterized her “green light” for the interview yesterday was f-cking appalling. A grown ass man throwing his daughter under the bus for his own idiocy. You have to see it.
I think it started out as not throwing Bea under the bus, but in using her to try to make Andrew sympathetic. “Look at his poor daughter. He did this interview working with her, proving his innocence. How can people condemn him if his young daughter(s) involved. United family front!” I think she did initially support the interview, but now that it blew up, she’s trying to dig herself out of it. And that c Fergie is straddling the fence, trying to hold onto her money maker and not remind people of her connections to Epstein.
You know. I’ve always felt bad for B & E. The press and public have always hated on them because they have crappy parents.
Does anyone think Andrew is the type that can be advised anything ? He’s stubborn and arrogant. Once he decides something, I doubt anyone can persuade him otherwise.
Are we throwing women under the bus for men’s actions? Last weekend, Toby Youbg wrote a piece on how Andrew should have married a strong woman who would have kept him “getting into these messes.” You know because the only thing that stand between a man raping a trafficked minor is a strong woman. Eye roll.
Agreed, andsince when has the DM become a credited journalist company?
Are we bellieving the DM now days? Obviously they are changing stories in order to sell clicks. I left a comment on the DM stop writing aboit his daughters, that only Andrew is accountable for his action . they never published it
The Daily Mail only does things that generate click$ for revenue$ and they do nothing else.
DM is trash and wrong 97% of the time, but people connected to the royals often leak to it (or make sh*t up). It’s been that way since the age of Diana and Charles.
If Beatrice and her mother help set this up, they should be dragged a bit. However, the buck stops with Andrew. He was the one who went ahead, and ultimately, he decided a sybaritic debauched life was the way to go. No one made him continue to associate with a convicted pedophile sex trafficker and continuously be an utterly useless and ignorant fool.
In the UK the line is everyone in the Royal Family told him not to do it, one advisor even quit because he just doesn’t listen to anyone.