Reese Witherspoon covers the latest issue of The Hollywood Reporter. I think she agreed to the cover story mostly to promote The Morning Show, but you know Reese – she’s got a million other projects going, and she mentions them all. While Reese is a producer and star of The Morning Show, I’ve seen a lot of commentary about how she’s one of the weakest parts of the show, and she sort of miscast herself in the role. While Reese got a Golden Globe nomination for it, the SAGs ignored her. I kind of wonder if Reese just Big Little Lie’d herself: producing a female-ensemble project in which she’s the least interesting part. If she’s doing that on purpose, props to her for being so ego-free. But I don’t think she’s doing it on purpose! Anyway, you can read the full THR piece here. Some highlights:
When a magazine made fun of her and “the domestic divas” for their side businesses: She wondered: Where was George Clooney and his tequila? Or Mark Wahlberg and his burger joints? “What? Men are entrepreneurs but how dare we be anything more than actresses? We, as women, are expected to stay in our lane — that was the inference, and I had sleepless nights over it. I remember calling one of these other women going, ‘What are we doing about this?’ ”
On the Rolling Stone review of ‘The Morning Show’ which noted her $2 million-per-episode paycheck: “There seemed to be a resentment, as if we weren’t worth it or it was bothersome, and I thought, ‘Why is that bothersome?’ I guarantee these companies are real smart, and if they agree to pay us, they’re doing it for a reason. They probably had a lot of lawyers and a lot of business people decide on that number because they knew that they were going to make more than that back. Does it bother people when Kobe Bryant or LeBron James make their contract?”
Spending months auditioning for Legally Blonde: MGM would require convincing, too. Witherspoon’s indelible performance in Election had put her at risk of being typecast. “They thought I was a shrew… My manager finally called and said, ‘You’ve got to go meet with the studio head because he will not approve you. He thinks you really are your character from Election and that you’re repellent.’ And then I was told to dress sexy…. And you’re 23, you have a baby at home, you need the money and you’re being told that by people who know what they’re doing. It’s funny to think of all the things we were told to do back then because now you’re thinking, ‘Oh God, if somebody told my daughter to do that, she’d be like, I really hope you’re joking.’ ” Witherspoon persevered. She endured multiple rounds of auditions for Legally Blonde, at one point meeting with executives in character (complete with a Southern California accent) to show that she could ace the part. “I remember a room full of men who were asking me questions about being a coed and being in a sorority even though I had dropped out of college four years earlier and I have never been inside a sorority house.”
The difference between her pitch meetings and men’s pitch meetings: “I was in this position where I was making studios a lot of money, and I had for years and years, and they didn’t take me seriously as a filmmaker. Somehow, they didn’t think that 25 years of experience could add up to some inherent knowledge of what movies work and how to keep them on budget… And you think about the kind of guys who come out of Sundance and get gigantic jobs off of one, like, ‘Oh, I see the potential.’ “
That last part was amazing. It was a whole-ass subtweet of Steven Spielberg and Kathleen Kennedy. I think about this quote from Late Night director Nisha Ganatra all the time: “I knew all about the power of holding the door open behind you instead of slamming it shut and saying, ‘Thank God I got in.’ Steven Spielberg saw himself in [Colin Trevorrow] and hired him. That didn’t happen for me. There was no Indian female Spielberg saying, ‘Here, plucky young one: Take care of my billion-dollar franchise.’” That’s what Kathleen Kennedy has done with Star Wars too – she just keeps hiring these fresh, know-nothing white bros to helm these enormous franchise films and it keeps blowing up in her face. It’s true what Reese says too – she’ll be second-guessed to death for wanting to produce a mid-budget TV show for premium cable, but HBO would hand off hundreds of millions to Weiss and Benioff to f–k up Game of Thrones. The ingrained misogyny of Hollywood in a nutshell.
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— Reese Witherspoon (@ReeseW) December 11, 2019
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Sadly, no lies detected. It is all ridiculously accurate and the more things change the more they stay the same – the needle has moved a little, but since we seem to be rapidly regressing as a society, there won’t be any big jumps for a while.
I think the only part I’d question is that actresses being told to dress sexy for auditions was only something that happened “back then”. It’s still an industry run by men, so I’m betting that women who don’t have her clout are still being told that very thing.
Yeah, I’m sure it’s still happening for young powerless women who are desperate for parts. Reese’s daughter can push back on that kind of comment because she has power and clout through her mother. Ugh, I do hope that things are slowly changing as more women climb the ladder in Hollywood.
I’ve watched all 9 episodes of TMS and I don’t think she was miscast. I think in the beginning episodes she overacted her Southerness, which she tends to do, even in real life, but by episode 4 or so, her acting has gotten better. The most recent, episode 9, seems like she dropped the whole southern bit altogether and is just herself. It”s better. I like the show and think everyone is cast well.
She’s right on all points.
To answer her question, yes it bothers people very much what LeBron or other star athletes are paid and yes their salaries are very much scrutinized against their performance and yes they are mocked/ridiculed/etc. accordingly by sports media and fans. Sports fans will shred someone if they think their team overpaid!
That being said, wow she totally nailed it with her comments and perspective on the side businesses and pitch meetings. I wouldn’t have thought WASPy Oscar Winner Married to a Big Hollywood Agent has that level of difficulty with getting opportunities but if *she* is… imagine how hard it must be for anyone else. Good to see her adding her voice to the cause.
You took the words out of my mouth!
So she pick two black men from a different industry as an example? Why not mention RDJ or Depp or any Marvel actor?
She names also Clooney and Wahlberg as examples.
Totally agree. I always side-eye when wealthy white women compare their struggles to those of black men. Its tone-deaf because they absolutely get scrutinised but of course, that’s not something she takes into consideration. It’s all very Daisy Ridley.
With all due respect she wasn’t comparing struggles she was comparing talent. I think she was saying they are the best in their fields and get paid accordingly, why shouldn’t she?
No. She picked two men who are tops in their field, with the most recognizable names so that people could understand what she was speaking of. There are very few other comparisons to be made at that price point.
@Carey she couldn’t have picked Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers? Those black men she mentioned absolutely face lots of scrutiny and public pressure, especially compared to their white counterparts. It is a very common microaggression for white women to compare their status to black men, as though the sexism they face is more tangible/real than the racism black men face. Which is plain ahistorical. I can see that you didn’t pick up on it, but it is very real.
With due respect; I dare say Kobe Bryant and LeBron James are hugely recognised in many parts of the world at that. They are almost bigger than basketball. You could be in China, not know the language, listen to the patter on the street and hear their names being said. Tom Brady – or American football – doesn’t have that kind of fame. It may be creeping around, but sorry, neither he nor the sport has that kind of carry. And the other fellow – I haven’t even heard of him so had she mentioned them, her point would have been lost.
This isn’t a racist dig – this is about referencing absolute icons.
If you want to have a go at her, you could (I might) snicker at her comparing her standing as an actress to these two giants of their field …
@lsb I’m European and I can assure you Kobe Bryant and Lebron James are not household names all across the world. Basketball is nowhere near as popular as Football (soccer) in most parts of the world, and if she was truly going for universality (I don’t think she was tbh), she would have gone for Christiano Ronaldo or Messi. Like I said, this is a VERY common microaggression, where white women think the sexism they face is worse than the racism black men face. Reese’s point is just a small scale example of this thinking. I didn’t say it was a racist dig, but as a black woman I can assure you I am pretty experienced at noticing micro-aggressions.
I think she just picked two people extremely successful in their field. Perhaps she watched basketball the day before and those were the names that popped in her head. Or are african american people supposed to compare their “market value” only to other african american people, and so on? This is ridiculous.
@allergy something is not ridiculous just because you lack the range to understand it. If you are interested in learning more about racism and microagressions I would recommend this great book: ‘Why I’m no longer talking to white people about race’ by Reni.
@allergy just because you want to remain ignorant about microagrresions doesn’t mean they are not applied to black people. Her statement was full of it. Once I read it I knew instantly what she was doing.
@pixie she could have also named Robert Federer or Robert Downey Jr or all the men from the highest paid actors list that come out yearly where they earn more than her. I agree wih your comment.
I thought she picked Lebron James because that’s pretty much the highest compliment you can give yourself…
Love this interview… she’s so right. I also think she was great in Big Little Lies.
I feel like she plays herself in every project she does. And the character is unlikeable, IMO. Sorry, I’m cranky this am.
I think the vast majority of actors play 95% themselves in everything they do… that’s why they get cast. The true chameleon roles are few and far between.
I don’t see any lies here. And what she says is true for about any field, I’m in academia and I have to deal with this BS all the time. Reese can seem like a lot sometime, but there’s nothing wrong about demanding your fair share and to be treated like a person who know their sh*t when it’s the case
+1
Amen to that.
I read in another article that they spent 300 million on this show. That’s more than what was spent on Game of Thrones’ final season.
Way too much money for such a mediocre show.
It’s 300 million for two seasons. Agree that it’s mediocre.
I cant see how that figure could be true. The reason game of thrones was expensive was bc of the elaborate special effects which The Morning Show doesnt have. I think that number is probably grossly overblown.
It’s a pretty big cast with fairly big name actors, I would be there’s a lot of expense there, and the marketing was pretty intensive. Plus they used this show to really launch their streaming service, so they sunk a ton of cash into it. And Apple has a TON of cash.
Hair and costuming for GoT had to have cost a fortune too. I never watched it (I don’t think rape and gore are fun or entertaining) but the hair in some of the stills I saw… stunning.
I think even if it were men who were paid 2 million per episode it would be noted – because that’s a lot more than even stars of big long term TV hits get and this was given before one episode aired and no one knew if it would be successful for Apple or not. Anytime people are paid substantially more than others doing the same thing jealousy always raises its head no matter the sex or race. What I like about Reese is she is ego less to the extent that most people who bought the rights to Gone Girl would have insisted on playing the juicy role themselves and would have found a director for their project who agreed to cast them.
Agree with your comment about noting the paycheck. That’s a TON of money as it is, and it’s a crazy amount of money for not too many episodes.
I remember when the cast of “Friends” negotiated $1 million per person, per episode. And that was…20 years ago, maybe? It was huge news when they negotiated that amount! Any time someone gets paid $1 million+ per thing they do (act in an episode of TV, play a game, etc.), it’s almost always news.
Completely unrelated, but is it her goal to cast everyone who was in “The Office” (US) in her shows?
I think she’s pretty spot on with all of her comments here, especially the side business thing.
It also sounds like her Legally Blonde audition process mirrored the character’s experience of people doubting her based on a preconceive notion. And yet none of the executives noticed that…
I don’t think she was miscast on TMS, but I do think her character is not as interesting as the others. At least not yet.
That line about the males coming out of sundance is something Ive been complaining about for awhile too. Whenever dudebros try to argue about how females just have to “earn their chance” at directing a big movie or more movies in general and its like…Ok but look at Colin Trevorrow. His first feature film was Safety Not guaranteed. This little indie film that made like 4 million total. And yes, that was off a budget of 750,000 so it was a success..but still not a big movie that a lot of people know. And what was his follow up feature?? Jurassic World. And yet it nearly took Patty Jenkins 14 years before she got Wonder Woman. And this was after directing an oscar winning performance in Charlize Theron. Plus, also the movie tripled its production budget…so also a success financially.
Good examples!
As always, she’s delusional and super entitled (remember her “DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM??” episode with the police a few years back?) .
Even Lebron James doesn’t make 2 million dollars PER GAME which is essentially what she’s getting here.
I mean if she got 2 million per season I guess that would be expected, but per EPISODE seems ridiculous even for Lebron’s standards.
And no, she’s nowhere near as talented in her field of work as Lebron is in his.