Yesterday, we heard that Brad Pitt would be spending Christmas Eve with his three youngest children. It’s no surprise Pax and Maddox – the two oldest Jolie-Pitt kids – are not interested in seeing him, because they’ve been avoiding him since the Plane Incident in 2016. What was surprising is that Zahara, now 14 years old, is not going to see Brad for Christmas. Some theorized in the comments that California family courts will generally allow kids aged 14 and up make their own decisions about which parent they see and how often. Maybe Zahara is making her own decisions. What I don’t think is happening is that BRAD is only interested in seeing “the white J-P kids.” I think Shiloh, Knox and Vivienne are just the youngest kids and they have less of a say in where they go and which parent they spend time with. All that being said… yeah, it’s clear that the Maddox and Pax really want nothing to do with Brad. And Brad hasn’t tried to contact Maddox at all:
Father-son feud! Brad Pitt didn’t visit his 18-year-old son, Maddox, at Yonsei University earlier this month while the actor was traveling overseas.
“Brad didn’t try to see Maddox,” a source exclusively reveals in the new issue of Us Weekly. “There’s been no contact between them.” That being said, the Ad Astra star, 55, hasn’t given up hope on reconciling with his and Angelina Jolie’s eldest. “Brad’s hopeful that as soon as his son gets older, they’ll become close again,” the insider tells Us.
The Oklahoma native and his ex-wife, who split in September 2016, also share Pax, 16, Zahara, 14, Shiloh, 13, and twins Knox and Vivienne, 11. Pitt will be spending Christmas Eve with the three youngest members of his brood later this month, the insider went on to say, noting, “Last year, Zahara spent a few hours with him, but he’s not expecting her this year. Brad no longer pushes for Maddox, Pax or Zahara to come. He knows it makes everyone uncomfortable. He’s decided not to force it because they’ve already been through so much.”
Interesting use of the passive voice by that “insider” huh? “He’s decided not to force it because they’ve already been through so much” as opposed to “Brad decided not to force it because HE already put them through so much.” These kids aren’t phasing out their mom, you know? And I hate that the thing between Maddox and Brad is being framed as a “feud” or that somehow Maddox is equally to blame for whatever happened. He was a minor child when that sh-t went down on a plane, and considering the monitoring of Brad years after the Plane Incident, the sh-t that went down was intense and entirely Brad’s fault.
Meanwhile, E! News confirms that it’s likely only the three youngest kids will visit him this month, and their sources say that the youngest three will see him on his birthday (Dec. 18) too. From E!’s source:
“Brad will spend part of the holidays with the kids in L.A. He will see them for his birthday and for Christmas Eve. It’s the same arrangement they have had recently. The kids will come over to Brad’s house and spend the day with him. They have some traditions where they eat and exchange gifts. They play music and just hang out. Brad always wants to make it special for them and loves to see the excitement in their eyes. He tries to get them thoughtful gifts and something for them to experience. The most important thing is just being together and being a family. He’s excited to see them and have them be with him at home. That’s really the only thing he wants.”
“He tries to get them thoughtful gifts and something for them to experience.” What if they just want a new iPhone and some Beats headphones? Oh God, he’s going to make the kids try to sculpt something, isn’t he?
Photos courtesy of WENN and Backgrid.
I know it is absolutely none of our business but man, I really wish we knew what happened on that plane. The repercussions of that have been sooooooo long-lasting that it really just is glaring how bad it must have been. Also if it had been an isolated incident I feel the kids would have been more forgiving? By that I mean, I don’t buy that he was EVER an involved father.
I partly agree with you. I agree that whatever happened that day was pretty terrible, judging by how 3 years later there’s still an estrangement between him and his oldest sons and now his eldest daughter seems to be avoiding him. I don’t agree that he was *never* involved, but that he became more & more less involved as his drinking & anger issues really took hold. It’s such an unfortunate, and in so many ways, could have been an avoidable situation. I suspect that he has no contact with Maddox (and Pax) because that’s how they want it, and instead of pushing them further away by trying to force contact/a relationship with them he is just hoping that they’ll eventually find their way back into each other’s lives some day, whenever that may be.
@smcollins – I tend to agree with you. It seemed like he was a pretty involved dad in the beginning but later he just seemed he was struggling with stuff and used the bottle to cope. I feel for the kids. I hope Brad continues to work on himself and continues to try to build a relationship with all his kids.
Well we know what did not happen on that plane from a story to People titled “Brad Pitt’s side of the story”
“He did not hit his child in the face in any way. He did not do that; he is emphatic about that. He put his hands on him, yes, because the confrontation was spiraling out of control.”
Which begs that question if he didn’t hit him in the face, where was he hit?
The longer this goes on and now the older kids deciding not to visit him, the worse it looks but still as a white man that makes bank for studios none of this will ever affect Pitt professionally or image wise. Maybe one day he will wake up and recognize what he lost.
That “did not hit is child in the face” phrase is still awful to read three years later.
Didn’t abusive men used to say, “I didn’t hit her in the face?” or “I only slapped her?” Same deal.
I’m wondering if he grasped Maddox by the throat and pushed or threw up against the wall/into a seat. That would be every bit as horrific as hitting him in the face.
How often do I see some version of this “…He put his hands on him, yes, because the confrontation was spiraling out of control.” Men grabbing women because they are out of control, maybe shaking them if they get hysterical. Meanwhile, the officer’s partner is taking photos of a bruised and battered woman in the next room. I am not insinuating at all this is what happened between the two. I don’t believe and would certainly hope it was never that bad. I am saying that phrases like this are huge red flags for people trying to downplay violence.
I agree, @minx, still VERY upsetting, even after all this time.
And, @Original Jenns, you’re right. Minimizing violence through word choice is very telling. My mother abused me emotionally my entire life and physically for several years when I was very young and to this day she makes excuses or tries to undercut everything I say. It’s slowly gone from “only happening once” to “a few times” to “not happening for that long” over the years.
People like to grasp around for reasons as to why things aren’t really their fault. It’s human nature to a certain degree. That’s all well and good for parking tickets. Not so much when trying to cover up hurting children.
Also agree. The plane was the final point in a long story arc of increasingly abusive or/and absent parenting from Pitt. It was the full stop where AJ said enough.
I know the story highlights that who he sees has nothing to do with adopted v blood related children but on some level those kids will wonder.
It’s interesting to see AJ’s kids getting the same father issues as AJ herself had growing up. Isn’t Brad’s behavior and the relationship between Brad and the kids a lot like the relationship between AJ and John Voight? JV was an a-hole, and Marcheline Bertrand, AJ and James Haven were everything to each other.
As Khloe Kardashian said, “patterns, patterns. We all have them.”
Patterns in abusive families repeat themselves until someone is strong enough to break the cycle. It takes a true hero to stand up and say “enough”. I believe Angelina has done this. As we have seen, society in general does not support or reward these people, especially if they are women,
There are different forms of abuse and Jon was an absentee parent who didn’t help the family in any way.
Brad is much worse in my opinion as he verbally and physically abused them. He has traumatised they children to the extent that they don’t want to see him at all.
It is sad that there are similarities. I imagine Angelina didn’t want that for her kids after going through it herself. Hopefully things improve for all of them.
I missed that photo. Thank you.
That is all.
Hope they do enjoy the holidays whatever happens.
Not to be nit picky but how accurate can that US weekly article be when Brad is listed as an Oklahoma native. He is from Missouri. I think the telling sign will be what happens next year when Shiloh turns 14. I think what happened on the plane was beyond traumatic (let’s not forget the part where he jumped in the refueling truck & attempted to drive away) it seems, one by one, as the children age they pull away.
There have been comments made In various articles mentioning he has had a spiritual realization because he attended Kanye’s ‘How to trade on Christianity as a monetary resource’ ridiculous services. Please. This is a spoiled man child who had always gotten his way and he’s come up against children who don’t want any part of him. The spin by his team is laughable. I sincerely hope the kids have a nice holiday & scarring is at a minimum
He was born in Shawnee, OK, which technically makes him a native. Grew up in Missouri.
@Jerusha my bad, he claims he is from Missouri so I went with what he uses on his bio. Thx for the correction
US probably just did a quick bio check, saw his birthplace and didn’t look any further. The tabs are such paragons of journalism, you know.
I hope Hollywood and his awards keeps him warm in his old age…
The airport workers denied the fueling truck story. It was never plausible. You can’t act like that at an airport after 9/11, even if you are a movie star.
Could the denials be compensated denials?
Yes, they could be as easily as they could not.
Correction to my comment, the airport director denied it to People magazine, not airport workers.
TMZ at the time said he “tried” to get in a fuel truck, I think that’s possible. The story about him driving off in one and backing into another one is what I’ve never believed.
He and his “insider” are still working with parental alienation. “As soon as his son gets older, they’ll become close again.”
“As soon as his son gets older” meaning once Mad is away from that evil mother of his who is poisoning his mind against me because I didn’t do anything wrong but if I did, I did say I was sorry (kinda).
Maddox has been away from his mom for months and still wants nothing to do with Brad. His team also tried to say now that Maddox is studying away and not with Pax all the time he hopes they can fix their relationship without his influence. He seems to think Angelina and Maddox are alienating everyone from him instead of the fact that he’s maybe just bad dad.
This story brought nostalgia and heartbreak bubbling over, because this douche not seeing his kids, any kid, is unforgivable in and of itself. Period. There’s no time in anyone’s life for this shit. When Dad blew up at me (sometimes I deserved it, sometimes I didn’t, sometimes he was, yes, drunk), he couldn’t make it 24 hours without some gesture. Even when I moved away from home, he would find a way to me. I’d find notes on my pillow. Notes on my car. Flowers, candy, stuffed animals, tennis court time, movies tickets for me and my friends or dinner. He and Mom passed away in1999 three months apart, and I miss him more, not less, every single year that goes flying by. You don’t hold grudges with your children. You don’t stay out of their lives. You don’t impose either. You ARE their oak tree to lean on if necessary, to shade, to shelter, to watch and be ever there year after year. Brad is missing the point entirely.
Sorry to hear about your parents and you are absolutely right.
It’s up to the parent to try and mend the relationship. If Brad really cared, he would go back again and again to try and fix it. No matter how many rejections he would get.
Hard disagree. Sometimes that can be traumatic & abusive. Maddox is old enough to decide whether he wants to see his father. Brad seems to be respecting that. I can’t imagine the mess I would be if my POS “father” tried to chase me for a relationship he didn’t deserve. I needed- and had the right to heal
This is my feeling too. Some people are saying it’s better not to force contact, and maybe it just depends on the person, but to me, to stop trying would be so much worse. It’s going to reach a point of no return and they’ll have no relationship or a stiff and stilted one. He needs to be trying to repair it now.
I was thinking the same when reading this. If I were a parent in this position, and had worked on myself enough to provide a healthier relationship, I wouldn’t push , but I wouldn’t just give up. I’d send letters, cards, something, to let the kid know I’m there if and when they’re ever ready. If the kid chooses to ignore it forever, that’s up to them, but a parent should always leave the door open for them.
My kid is in this position now. He tried to kill her when she was 12. She is afraid. He won’t give up.
Their relationship is none of my business, but she knows that he can’t change. She knows what he is.
Brad can send gifts and letters to reach out if allowed. My kid reports her dad’s contacts.
It’s is up the child, not the ex-partners, especially people who are enmeshed with their kids and feel like they are obligated because they share DNA. No abused child owes anything to an abusive parent.
@Christina Your situation sounds pretty severe and it sounds like he’s still a threat to your daughter. I don’t think that’s the case here or Angelina wouldn’t have been trying to facilitate a relationship between them. I also don’t get the sense that Maddox is afraid of Brad.
I don’t think anyone believes Maddox owes Brad anything, but Brad just giving up and saying “maybe later he’ll come around” seems like he just doesn’t want to put in the effort or take responsibility.
@Kerbie, here’s the thing: if you gaslight you’re kid/s they most likely aren’t coming back.
If Pitt doesn’t acknowledge to his kids that what they saw and experienced is what they saw and experienced, we will see fewer of the Pitt-Jolie kids visit their dad as the years go by.
In therapy, you learn what abuse is. Abuse is when someone doesn’t have empathy for you and gets something out of harming you with words, actions, or violence. Abusers all think that what they are doing isn’t as bad as the murderer. They ALL excuse themselves by degrees. If there are years of a pattern, forgiveness only comes from his acknowledging that, no, they did not imagine those years. Some people emotionally abuse and gaslight their kids. Some attempt morder and gaslight their kids. In either case, if the kid is gaslighted but is in therapy, the kid learns to protect themselves emotionally and/or physically. “I only yelled at them. I didn’t hit them”. “I only slapped them. I didn’t punch them”. “I only punched them. I didn’t knock them unconscious”. “I only knocked them unconscious, I didn’t kill them”.
My kid was physically attacked and gaslighted. The Jolie-Pitt kids, in my opinion, we’re emotionally abused and gaslighted, and they get gaslighted every time Pit runs to the media and says stuff that they know is not true. But admitting that means admitting guilt, and he is too narcissistic to do that. She is not, because they kids aren’t rejecting her.
Trust kids. Trust their judgement, especially those in therapy for trauma. The parents don’t matter. The parents need to do the best they can.
@Kebbie I agree. My dad was an alcoholic and never really a dad to me. He never tried to apologize or be a dad to me even after he got sober. I was a teen and obviously mad and angry at how he treated me and my mother but if he had shown he was sorry and tried at all i would probably have forgiven him. All i got from him is daddy issues.
Totally agreed with you Christina.
I guess he’s leaking these birthday and holiday plans to the public for sympathy and pity what with the awards season is coming. Like I am such a lonely man who’s just happy for any crumbs throw my way.
And then gaslighting his oldest son about they are gonna be close again once the kid is older. Like Maddox will be more mature to recognize that Pitt being the father who knows what’s best for him. Pitt’d gaslighted his own dad in the past and it’s funny that he turned out just like him in terms of doing the autocratic parenting.
OriginalCarol, that’s my read, too. It’s like Jessica Beale: WHY go to the media to prove your marriage is real? Brad, WHY go to the media about your minor children?
If you have to do that, and you are in court, judges watch TV and read People magazine too, Lori Loughlin. You don’t use PR to sway a judge. When you do that, the victims in the situation feel gaslighted, and the judge thinks you are stupid.
Ehhhh. I dont think Brad is necessarily holding a grudge against the kids. But if they are the ones who dont want contact with him, then maybe its good to respect their wishes.
I don’t believe a lot of the stuff in these tabloids say but I do know there are some strange facts with this case.Brad visits with his kids were monitored for a long time.I had a family member who was an ex con/crack addict who had supervised visits with his kids before Brad did.WTH did he say/do on that plane?
Also I wonder does Brad ever keep his kids for days or a week ,I keep reading about several hours or overnight.My cousin(ex-con) gets his kids Friday after school and returns them Sunday about 5pm every other weekend?
I’m wondering the same. The court records last year made it sound like supervised visitation was being phased out and he was going to have a lot more time with them. Then these stories talk about how excited he is to have them for a few hours on Christmas Eve and his birthday. It’s hard to gauge how often he actually sees them.
I honestly doubt he has them a lot. The kids are mostly with Angelina even when she is out of LA. I think when they’re in LA she sends the kids to his house for a few hours and then they come back to her house where they actually live.
Only Pax is in LA when Angelina is in another country with other kids and that’s because he goes to high school there. I remember for halloween Angelina was with her kids in fuerteventura meanwhile Pax and Brad were in LA. Then we found out Brad had gone home to his parents for halloween weekend without Pax and that’s when i knew he absolutely wasn’t looking after Pax in anyway. It happened again a week ago when Angelina was with kids in London, Pax in LA and Brad randomly showed up in Japan at a U2 concert.
Yup. You are all correct with your information. Pitt doesn’t take care of Pax while they are both in LA and they may not even have any contact at all. Fans were saying that Pax lives in Jolie’s house with her brother James looking after him. Remember around the time that Maddox was going away to college, his team leaked that Pitt would try to talk to Pax implying that Maddox won’t be there to influence the younger boy. Talk about gaslighting your own kid! As his first ex wife said about him being diabolic.
@Jojo, one mistake doesn’t make kids want to leave. Plenty of kids have strict parents, and sometimes those parents hit their kids. It’s the gaslighting. When parents don’t acknowledge that their kids feel pain, whether or not it’s justified, it will drive kids away. I don’t mean punishing a kid when they need it. I mean a pattern of a parent putting their needs before their child and then lying about it to the outside world or to the kid directly.
Brad Pitt has a pattern with his kids. Only he and they and Jolie know that pattern. Pitt doesn’t want a real relationship with them or he would stop gaslighting them, in my opinion. I don’t know what the lies are. I can speculate, but I don’t know them. I know the court system and what they do to parents who emotionally manipulate minor children.
I think that hitting is abuse, but I know that I’ve lost control and hit my daughter twice in her lifetime. The first was a spanking when she was 3. The second was an accident when I tried to take her phone away when she was 11 and I hit her accidentally while trying to remove the phone from her hands; her dad was manipulating her, but that’s no excuse for what I did. I acknowledged those things to my child in person when I got her back (he alienated her from me and she lived exclusively with him from 11 until just before her 13th birthday. In court, he would not admit to strangling her and knocking her unconscious. She has a brain injury now. She knows he did it, but he can’t say it without going to jail. He testified about how much he missed her and how lonely her is and how he would never do such a thing. That was gaslighting: he was calling her a liar, and saying that I made it up and made her say it, but she testified that my acknowledging that I’d hurt her and his constant refusal to acknowledge what he’d done, including not admitting to the pattern of mental and physical abuse, are why she didn’t want to reunify with him. The court believed her and stopped trying to make her go to him, and now we have an 80-year DVRO.
It’s Pitt. Not because he is a man, or because he’s being unfairly treated. His kids know that he doesn’t care. That’s not something you can fake.
Team Jolie, stop planting stories to create negative PR against Pitt in what, is supposed to be a great week for him.
Oh poor delusional Brad fan.
US Weekly, Radar, TMZ,DailyMail etc are all Brad’s team.
Maybe tell HIM to stop smearing his ex wife and more importantly, stop smearing the 6 children.
Team Pitt, stop being a fan of an awful man who assaulted his own child.
Heaven forbid! His “great week” is what’s important, not his relationship with, you know, his children.
Whatever he did or said on that plane, he owns, and nothing can change that.
His own kids haven’t forgiven him. What does that tell you?
Brad Pitt’s fans are really delusional, don’t they?? 😐 I mean, there is evidence that Brad did something very bad to his family; most of his childrens want nothing to do with him and his fans STILL blame everything on Angelina?? 😕 COME ON!! Brad is the ONLY one to blame on this sad situation!! Poor childrens!!
They’re starting to attack Maddox too, elsewhere.😒
I took the comment as sarcasm…?
@Mary, his kids will come back if he stops gaslighting them. Kids love their parents, even through trauma, but if one parent denies that the trauma happened or denies how the kids feel, what’s in the tabloids or what you and I think don’t matter. The kid will protect themselves from an abusive parent if the are in therapy, and I’m pretty sure that all of them are in court-ordered therapy.
My mother was an expert gaslighter – and our relationship was soo bad when I was in my 20s. She doesn’t gaslight much anymore but that is probably because her mental faculties have deteriorated a lot over the past decade.
I don’t understand who is leaking these stories. Why would Pitt want to continue drawing attention to a non-relationship with Maddox? Every other week we seem to get a story about how he doesn’t see this or that kid but wants to see them but they don’t want to see him.
I have no clue who is doing these leaks but if it’s his PR people, he needs to FIRE THEM ASAP.
The story comes from US weekly and we all know how not credible they are. Nonetheless, we dont see Brad in photos with any of his kids ever since the split, so maybe there are some truths to it. And we heard Maddox interview that it seems he has no communication with his father. Also, we only see Brad outside of work with just his friends.
Both he and Angie never talked about their divorce that much and what is happening with them now, but then we see Angie always with the kids and they look happy. So Im not sure what Brad really wants and why he only has the kids in his house, maybe he cant take them out or he is too ashamed for people to see him with supervisors while he is with kids when he has the kids.
The thing is, he talks about his mistakes/missteps in all his recent interviews and how he wants to be a better person, a better father to them, I really hope its all not just talk for him with no action and I hope, he will be a better father for all the kids not just his bio kids.
If he wanted relationships with his kids, he wouldn’t discuss himself that way in interviews. My ex told everyone we knew things like that. That’s the kind of stuff he’d say in court, too. He was also falsifying documents and writing my kid to tell her that the family didn’t believe that he would do such a thing. Asshole…
For the sake of Maddox and all those kids, I really wish this crap wasn’t being reported on and then rehashed here. Celebrity gossip should be about celebrities, not kids and definitely not minors. Unless, of course, we are getting slammed with instagram photos and such, by the thirsty ones.
@Jenner, I think it should be discussed. Before my experience, I was like you, but now I talk about my experience to anyone who will listen because I want people to recognize it when they see it so that they can help other kids and abused people. Sites like Celebitchy and the work Kaiser does are very, very important to survivors like me. If one kid is saved because of this discussion, or one woman or child is not battered or killed, it was all worth it.
The Jolie-Pitt kids are enduring the plight of all kids who are gaslighted by a narcissistic, abusive parent.
Can I just say: Kaiser is my favorite on the site, as much as I love CB and Quimby. Quimby is my LA homegirl who I don’t know personally, lol!
This guy is very lost, he can smile all day but his sad eyes tell a different story
Does anyone know if the kids have any contact with Brad’s family?
Brad never wanted kids or that many kids. He also has severe daddy issues he needs to deal with before he can properly parent his teenagers.
Say what? When he and Angie first got together, he was the one saying they wanted a home-grown football team.
He was all talk.
He always wanted kids (or at least said he did)— he was still married to JA he talked about it a lot. AJ had Maddox and Brad enjoyed being around him.
I wonder if the people who totally hated on Jen Aniston during the Angie/Brad/Jen saga are realizing that Brad is and was always a POS shit to the women in his life? He blamed Jen and threw her under the bus. Now he’s trying to do the same to Angie…except he’s totally ‘out gunned’ here and Angie is kicking his ass.
Brad is a good looking man, I guess. But I never understood his appeal – he’s as deep as a puddle.
I think 90% realize they were wrong and the other 10% can’t let their long simmering hatred go.
@kebbie. Yeah, I’ve seen the other 10%. I find it odd. Brad left Jen. Threw her under the bus with things like “she doesn’t want kids” (maybe she was right to not breed with him, look at the mess with his kids with Angie). “I was bored”. “she was boring” etc..etc. Now he is putting the blame on Angie and his kids for not seeing him vs any sort of ownership of his behaviour. He’s completely lacking any self awareness or emotional intelligence. Jen was right in that he is lacking a sensitivity chip. The man is a self absorbed over privileged jack ass.
I am glad Angie is not putting up with his bollocks and being his whipping girl.
I wonder if the people who totally hated on Angie during the Angie/Brad/Jen saga have finally realized that a man is not a commodity like a watch or a wallet or a car that can be stolen; that Brad dumped Jen of his own free will, and that he acted like a jerk for letting Angie take all the hate while he didn’t say a word in her defense.
Anyway, the difference here is that with Aniston, Brad was the dumper; with Angie, he was the dumpee. The shock to his ego must have been earth-shattering. Nobody dumps Hollywood’s Golden Boy. The only way he could salvage his lacerated pride was by savaging Angie at every opportunity. But if he thought Angie would dissolve into a weepy puddle as Aniston did in that pathetic Vanity Fair interview, he obviously didn’t have a clue as to who he was dealing with.
@carmen! hah! There’s that other side of the coin as well..where he let Angie take the heat and being called a home wrecker etc whilst not saying much.
Ugh. This reminder just made him even more unattractive. So much for wanting a family. He fked up with Jen because she allegedly didn’t want kids. Then Angie gave him the kids he claims he wants and he fked up again in a much grander scale. He’s gross. Can’t polish a turd. You really can’t. Brad’s a turd.
If everything else fails the narcissist will victimize himself for attention and sympathy. Sadly. 😞
I never understood why people are obsessed with this man because he seems so obviously full on himself!!
Anyone else see where this fool went to Aniston’s Xmas party. These two will do anything for PR! They are trying to gaslight their award season. I have heard it all! Is he gonna crawl back to the boring one?
Is this his only way back. Aniston wouldn’t mind silage is as pathetic as he is! Rotfl