The Duke & Duchess of Sussex will skip the Buckingham Palace Xmas parties

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I’ve been wondering aloud for a few weeks if we would see the Duke and Duchess of Sussex at all over the Christmas holiday. They’ve been in the wind since all of the events around Remembrance Day, which was mid-November. So they’ve been gone from public view for a full month. Today is the day for the Queen’s annual Buckingham Palace staff party, and on Wednesday, the royals will gather at BP for the annual pre-Christmas lunch before the Queen and other senior royals head to Sandringham. It looks like Harry and Meghan will be missing those events as well.

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex will miss both of the Queen’s Christmas parties this week, with no plans to return to the UK until the new year. The couple will not be making an appearance at the annual Buckingham Palace party tonight to thank royal staff, sources have confirmed to the Mail. And they will be notably absent from the family’s pre-Christmas lunch at the palace on Wednesday. Insiders stressed there was no snub ‘whatsoever’ intended and the couple had already informed the Queen, who is understanding of the situation.

‘As the couple made clear a few weeks ago, they are taking some time away together as a family,’ said one. ‘This means that they will miss Christmas events.’

Harry and Meghan are currently on a six-week break from royal duties to spend time with baby Archie and will be spending Christmas with the duchess’s mother, Doria Ragland, at an undisclosed location abroad. But some royal officials hoped Harry and Meghan might return long enough to join the Queen’s huge staff party on Monday, which they have attended previously. The Queen hosts the event out of her own pocket each year to thank her royal workers. There was also talk that they would attend the annual turkey and trimmings lunch at Buckingham Palace on the Wednesday before Christmas, shortly before the Queen leaves for Sandringham for the festive season.

They will return to the UK, possibly as late as early January, to launch their new charity after splitting from the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge.

[From The Daily Mail]

I think several things all at once. I think that if Harry and Meghan really are doing the “six weeks off” thing which was widely reported, then the decision to go away for six weeks was one made in consultation with the Queen. Even if Harry and Meghan had decided to skip the Sandringham part of the royal Christmas, they would have been expected to at least make the Buckingham Palace Christmas lunch. So the fact that the Sussexes are skipping EVERYTHING says to me that this was all part of a larger conversation with the Queen, and I also think it’s possible that the Queen – and William, in particular – thought that the distance would be good for everyone involved. I also think that it was probably a combination of the Sussexes being “sent away” and the Sussexes actively wanting to GTFO for six weeks. It’s fascinating to me that the British tabloids don’t have a clue where they are either. I still think they’re staying at Oprah’s house!

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  1. Mumbles says:

    Given that Granny subsidizes their lifestyle, I agree that they must have cleared this with her. If not, that is a really dumb move and I don’t think these two are dumb (well, he might be a little dim.)

    • Becks1 says:

      Yeah I think this definitely got approval from the Queen and Charles. We all know Meghan is smart and everything else aside, she’s not going to damage a relationship with either of those two. (and I get the feeling that she and Charles do get along.)

      • (TheOG)@Jan90067 says:

        Problem with this is, while I thought she and Charles *did* get on, a lot of this started with material “left out” of the book Charles’ biographer wrote about him. This writer started leaking “behind the scene/chapter” stories about Meghan (don’t think he could do that w/out “permission”). Something to remember and keep in mind. Let’s not forget, Charles has a HUGE jealous streak, and this came out after the Sussex’s very successful tour down under.

      • BabsORIG says:

        There is no proof whatsoever that the material leaked necessarily came from Charles himself. It could be that what was leaked was a RR made up ficticious material, or it could also be material supplied by courtiers but was not verifiable. Since that stuff was leaked post Oceania, I’m more inclined to lean towards” it was made up material’

      • Becks1 says:

        @TheOG – I get that theory for some things. Like the tiara story, or the story about Meghan wanting to use candles or whatever in the chapel for their wedding – those could have been leaked from Jobson (it was Jobson, right?) because they seem fairly benign on their own. It was the RR spin that made them into these “Meghan is such a demanding diva!!!!!” story.

        I do think Charles has a huge jealous streak but I also think that he’s not dumb, and he knows that his support of Meghan made him look really good.

      • (TheOG)@Jan90067 says:

        Becks, you’d THINK so, wouldn’t you? But then, you’d think he’d have realized Diana’s popularity made him/TRF look great…but no, he was jealous and angry at the attention she got, and that on walk-abouts people wanted to be on *her* side of the street, not his.

        I could see Charles, in a fit of pique, giving a “silent nod”, but distancing himself from it quickly.

        Of COURSE he has to know that for his vision of the future of the monarchy to work, (with just him and Cam, W&K and H&M for now), he NEEDS H&M until the Camb kids grow up. And if they go by their parents’ example, they won’t work much until their 30s, too!

    • (TheOG)@Jan90067 says:

      I thought I read somewhere that girls from Oprah’s school in Africa stay at her home during Christmas….? I could be wrong. But Oprah has multiple homes that she could lend out to the Sussex Family. I’m sure they’re not staying at a motel somewhere. For all we know, Doria and they could be up in Toronto with her BFF Jessica, or with Serena and her family in FL. Both places would have security. And her sorority sister, who gave her the shower… I thought she had a big estate in NY state…? I would think this would be more apt to happen, rather than them renting a place, due to security issues (as well as room to house RPOs with them).

      Also, seems like Meghan is getting more support behind her: anyone see the tweet from Omid Scobie? A UK based African Women Lawyers Association has written a letter of support to Duchess Meghan, who they say is “owed an apology and better treatment by the media for your charitable endeavors and royal duties… and represents women of African descent on a world stage.”

      https://twitter.com/scobie/status/1206546787093360640

      • ShazBot says:

        Jessica and Ben live in a pretty normal upper middle class neighbourhood in Toronto (I also live here – not in their neighbourhood, but in one close by so our kids have overlapped activities before). Anyways, my point is, there isn’t security (it isn’t gated or anything), and if they were in Toronto for that long people would talk about it – unless they’re holed up in a basement.

      • Abena Asantewaa says:

        @TheoG, Robert Johnson wrote a biography, not an autobiography. Jobson’s biography had no imput from Charles. I work in the book business and read a lot of reviews. The tiara and the other silly titletattles, were not in the book, he only said that to promote his book. Charles likes Meghan, and that is hard for some of the RR to swallow. His marital problems with Diana, can not be used as a yardstick for judging his relationship with Meghan. Jobson, himself said, his biography was unauthorised.

    • noway says:

      I love your comment. Also, I agree, but I am struck that no one knows where they are. Over six weeks at Oprah’s would be fun, but somehow I doubt it. A part of me thinks they are taking a mental break deciding if they want to be working royals still. Just Meghan’s interview in the documentary seems like it is far more than she thought it would be, not so much work wise but more unfair wise, and I could see them really doing some soul searching about it. Honestly, I don’t blame them even if the stuff we gossip about that their family back stabbing each other isn’t accurate, being a working royal seems very unfair and a pain. You do too much, you’re lazy, you do it not the right way, you dress wrong, you are too skinny, too fat, too not royal, I could go on and on. It’s not like they aren’t wealthy and couldn’t set up an organization to just help people directly. I would be thinking how to get out of it and still be doing something helpful and productive with my life.

    • PrincessK says:

      The Sussexes have been asked to stay away because they have been working too much and they get all the headlines without trying.

      • J_Lynn says:

        PrincessK I think you’re right, because look at how much more press the Cambridges are getting (mind it could be how much more they’re working) without having to share headlines with the more charismatic/click bait Sussexes.

      • booboocita says:

        I would dearly like to see a study from a reputable source on how many clicks the Sussexes generate vs how many for the Cambridges. I realize I’ll never get to see such a thing, but …

      • Abena Asantewaa says:

        The embigening of The Cambridges, especially: Kate is relentless! Every newspaper is showering her with praises and glory. The Mary Berry Christmas Special is being trumpeted everyday! She has all the limelight to herself. She can have it. I am glad The Sussexes have gone under the radar, it is much healthier. Oprah has a big mouth, she will tell somebody, so I don’t think they are there.

    • Abena Asantewaa says:

      Harry is not dim! For a man who founded; Sentabale, Invictus and The Endeavour Fund, to be called a little dumb, is offensive. Compare the oratry of Harry to William, and could you readily tell me any impactful thing his brother has done, apart from their joint charity; ‘Heads Together? Harry came out of Royal College of Sandhurst, with flying colours, and became a top apache helicopter Soldier, during the war in Afghanistan , he was in the Army for 10 years, till the media forced him to quit reluctantly. So please, enough of this fake narrative, to make the king in wating look like the clever one.

  2. Becks1 says:

    Huh. I find this really interesting. Its clear that the break was less about “skipping the Christmas walk at Sandringham” and more about…..what? Just a general mental health break for 6 weeks? Have they really been in the US the whole time?

    It makes me think that the Queen supports them and is okay with this break and that there is something more going on behind the scenes than we know – because I dont see Meghan and Harry missing the lunch for the palace staff just because, or completely skipping out on seeing any of the Windsors at Christmas.

    Is it possible they are staying in Windsor and just no one has seen them? So they will still see people like the Queen and Charles, just not at the big family events?

    • Amy Too says:

      I think this is delayed maternity/paternity leave and that it was always the plan for them to split up their leave like this so they could spend time with Archie when he was a little bit older and as a family around the holidays. Remember how we got all that info about how Harry would be taking paternity leave and how that was such a big deal? But then he didn’t really take it? And Meghan came back to work pretty quickly after Archie was born. A friend of mine did this: mom took her 4 months maternity leave when baby was born and dad delayed his until mom went back to work so he was with baby from age 4 months-7 months. I think more people might be doing things like this. They know they have a certain amount of leave and they want to take it when it’s convenient for them. I think the Sussexes knew they’d have the lawsuit coming up (obviously) and they knew they wanted to spend some time away from the royal family and with Meghan’s family around the holidays, plus they knew they’d need to be doing a lot of behind the scenes stuff setting up their new foundation, so they planned this break ahead of time. Meghan took a shorter maternity leave and Harry took basically no paternity leave so that they could take their time off now, when they need it. That way they can drop the lawsuit and let it play out (the media can’t suddenly change their reporting on them to be all nice and then point to the new reporting in court), work on their foundation/fundraising, spend time as a family around the holidays when Archie is at a better age for doing stuff and being awake and alert enough to hang out with them and extended family. I think Meghan is a planner and this was the plan all along. It’s probably why we were hearing about Harry’s planned paternity leave months ago, and why we started hearing things about them being “exiled” or spending long periods of time “abroad” in the near future, and its probably why Meghan, and especially Harry, were being more open about their unfair press treatment and how they needed a break. They knew a break was coming and were probably feeling more and more frazzled as it approached. Kind of like how kids start to get progressively more “checked out” and frazzled as summer break gets closer. Knowing that the break is coming makes they last couple of weeks of school/work seem extra long and difficult.

    • Abena Asantewaa says:

      They are in The US, according to Scobie, who gets it right each time. They don’t have to attend the queen’s dinner to thank Their Staff. They could easily thank their Staff personally without the fanfair of a palace party. It is The 21st Century afterall. Take note of the tone of daily mail’s emphasis on,; A Thank you Party for the staff. The Media need their golden goose, it’s all a bait to lure them out of their break. Poppycock!

  3. Kittycat says:

    I hope the Sussexes are enjoying their vacation.

    • bamaborn says:

      Totally agree, Kitty cat. The dreadful British media must be experiencing withdrawal symptoms not knowing where they are or being able to monetize their activities. Kudos to them!

    • I think the Sussexes got approval from Queen to absent themselves from “job” until beginning of 2020 and they have been consistent with that. All this, will they or won’t they be here or do that is just the same old same old from trash media and disloyal couriers stirring the pot on them to create drama. It is not the end of the world for them to miss these functions, but oh how these nasty people want to make it so.

  4. Lonnie tinks says:

    Honestly, I think these are pretty normal growing pains. We had a bunch of in-law family drama after my first was born, it was like we had to fracture off for a while to establish ourselves as our own family unit, and when we came back the dynamic was different and better. I suspect things will calm down with them and relationships will come back together in the near future.

  5. Seraphina says:

    Yes, there is no way they didn’t get clearance from the sweet old lady (sarcasm) before they were granted a leave of absence (sarcasm again). And to be honest who can blame them. BUT I hope this is setting a precedent (in Will’s mind) that the couple won’t be around in the future for major holidays. Plus, I think the hard working couple make the rest of them look so bad the Queen and Wills were glad to not have them around. A shiny penny makes the old dull ones look even worse when side by side.

  6. Betsy says:

    Considering William and Kate basically got six years of work free time to be a couple and then a family, six weeks after a year of dedicated (albeit largely behind the scenes) work and having a baby seems like a good start.

    • JaneDoesWork says:

      I was just thinking the same. it feels like Kate is finally settling into her role, which is great, but she had 6 years of doing very little. She had media attention obviously, but nothing as critical as Meg. She also has the Kris Jenner of the UK in her corner, media training the entire family and very strictly controlling/unifying the Middleton narrative. Meghan didn’t have any of that. What does she have? High powered friends. I suspect those friends are beginning to rally around her and leverage their own resources.

      • Mego says:

        I don’t see Kate settling into her role. I see a year of Kate doing very little and doing more in the last month to up her yearly engagement stats (as per usual).

    • Kristina says:

      I thought W&K were not working royals yet for that time period, and William was instead working, with the queen’s blessing? And Harry also was not a full time royal until he left the military? I’ll admit I don’t know the timelines, but at some point they all went “full time,” and now, yes, for sure their engagement numbers are talked about. I don’t know enough about the inner workings of this family to know what’s expected for numbers or quality or whatever. Does the queen really have weekly meetings with the head of government? Do royals get a “report card?” Maybe UK citizens or royal experts here know the details and official expectations- or maybe there are none? It’s weird that it’s all so secretive.

  7. runcmc says:

    My theory- based on nothing, mind you- is that the Cambridges needed the Sussexes to take time off so they could catch up in numbers for the year and look less like lazy a-holes.

    • Becks1 says:

      I kind of think this is partly true. Kate and William get maximum coverage for their BBC show, they got lots of coverage for the diplomatic reception, they’ll host one or two christmas events at KP that will get lots of coverage – without anything competing from the Sussexes.

      I wonder if the Sussexes were told to take a big step back so that Kate and William could shine and Harry said “eff this, we’ll be gone for over a month, see you in 2020.”

      • RedRoyal says:

        They didn’t get lots of coverage for the diplomatic reception. The British media focused on the election.

      • PrincessK says:

        The Cambridge’s are never going to get a lot of coverage because they are boring and don’t sell. Do you think TV networks around the country are going to get excited and pay big money to see Will and Kate with Mary Berry. Now if it was Harry and Meghan the rights to air it would go through the roof.

    • AnnaKist says:

      I’m inclined to agree with you, runcmc. OK, I’m feeling a bit bitchy today, but they are a pair of layabouts, doing as little as possible for most of the year, and, come Christmas, they want to shine, along with the pretty Christmas lights. And all the better if the Sussexes are out of the way. I also think they’ve been roped in for some cute family PR to take the heat off the creepy uncle.

    • Leslie says:

      William and Kate had done more public engagements than Harry and Meghan, respectively, before the six week break started. So I don’t think catching up in numbers was the issue.

      • Iknow says:

        I mean, Meghan and Harry were on child care leave – Meghan for a longer period than Harry. So the numbers for William and Kate are atrocious if their number of work events were even close to theirs.

      • Jadedone says:

        Actually William did substantially more engagements than Harry which has been the pattern for years. But Charles, Anne and even creepy Andrew outdid them all substantially.

      • Becks1 says:

        I’ll give credit where credit is due and acknowledge that William’s work numbers have picked up considerably over the past few years, which is good to see. For the future king though, they’re pretty dismal, compared to what the older royals are doing.

      • Jadedone says:

        @becks1 frankly I think all the young Royals numbers are pretty sad. If they get the benefits of royal life they need to do the work

      • Marie says:

        William may have a few more numbers than Harry but Harry launches projects. If William and Kate launched projects I would be fine with their numbers. Even on maternity leave, Meghan co edited Vogue and did Smart Set. It’s clear they both do a lot behind the scenes and don’t count them towards their final numbers.

      • Jadedone says:

        @Marie that’s what drives me nuts, the assumption that Harry and Meg are doing so much behind the scenes with little to no evidence. The young Royals are lazy. When your numbers are less than half of your 71 year old father that’s pathetic. When pedo Andy does double the work you did you need to be ashamed. Even William, who did the most engagements of the young Royals, did less then 150. Thats not 150 days of working, that’s engagements which could be a mere two hour meeting. My taxes help pay for this farce of nepotism so I expect them to do their damn jobs, all of them.

      • Becks1 says:

        @Jadedone – I dont know about Harry, but we do know that Meghan is doing a lot behind the scenes. A month or so ago I think we were having a similar discussion and I went and looked at all Meghan’s engagements on the Court Circular for the year. There are lots of things that just arent mentioned, but we know she did them. For example, there were no meetings about the smart set until maybe a week before it launched. No meetings about Vogue until it actually was published. etc. Kate’s meetings with Jason Knauf get listed, but the meetings for Meghan are very minimal, and we know she is doing them because we have proof of the final project.

        My guess is that Meghan doesnt care about her numbers so isnt worried about what goes in the CC, but I imagine that may change in the next few years.

        That said – overall I agree that they all need to work more (again though I”m giving Meghan a huge pass, considering they’ve been married less than 2 years and she had a baby during that time) – but Wiliam, Kate and Harry really ALL need to step it up.

        I do think it matters that Harry focuses on big projects, because to me it says he is focusing on quality over quantity, and not everyone can do that – launch those kinds of projects, etc. But there is no reason why Anne should be lapping all of them the way she does.

      • Jadedone says:

        @becks1 I actually hope Meghan has a positive influence on her husband. I mean of all the young Royals she is the only one was actually really worked in her lifetime. Also this year Meg gave birth and was on mat leave so she gets a pass in my opinion.

      • Lowrider says:

        Harry and Meghan will have low CC numbers simply because they do not do alot of “bread and butter”royal engagements. How often does Harry open schools, hospitals and plant trees? How many state/diplomatic dinners does he attend? How many investitures does he hand out?

        Harry’s biggest projects are not royal related.

  8. Pixie says:

    Good for them! I’m glad Meghan gets to have her first Christmas with their baby back home. She has been so out of her comfort zone for so long, and I’m relieved for her that she gets to spend a few weeks on her own turf. She is a better woman than me, because I definitely would have been gone for 6 months and not just 6 weeks.

  9. Brittanie says:

    What’s funny is that since the BM don’t have their cash cows right now and have no clue where they are, it’s almost like they hope and wish they come back because it’s going to be boring and uninteresting without them and of course they need those money shots. I think they’re scared not only because of the lawsuits but if Harry and Meghan truly do leave, the media won’t know what to do. Focus on the Cambridge’s that they love so much.

    • Lisa says:

      Yeah, it’s also almost like H&M are able to travel and go long periods of time being private, without people leaking or paparazzi hounding them. Kind of undermines their statements that it’s hard to get privacy, etc. Clearly they could manage it just fine.

      • Lady D says:

        Yes, privacy comes easy for them./s

      • PrincessK says:

        When have they complained about privacy? They complained about false reporting and misrepresentation and that included them not divulging information about Archie’s birth and godparents because the tabloid media would twist the facts and embark on character assassination and manipulation of the truth.

      • notasugarhere says:

        They’ve learned not to share their plans with KP and look, they are able to go undercover.

      • carbnftprnt says:

        We dont know where they are, but if they had privacy, you wouldnt have the media speculating on where they spending their private time, acting outrage about them taking time off, and playing will they/wont they about the christmas day walk.
        You have kate and william running around screaming over here, look at us. they have a whole television special and the fail is doing story about why meghan hasnt had a tiara moment. William and kate disappear for weeks after every engagement and there are no outrage or questions about where they are

      • VS says:

        @Lisa —— can you at least ONLY be dishonest in your interpretation of facts? It is one thing to have an opinion and a completely different thing to just plainly lie about what the Sussexes said……

    • Lowrider says:

      The media knows where they are, they’re just not publishing it. Trust.

      • PrincessK says:

        You may be right. There are so many things about famous people that never get into the papers. I know someone who witnessed a very well figure have a total and extreme mental breakdown getting off a flight, there were loads of witnesses but the tabloids refused to touch the story or use the pictures made available.

      • Nic919 says:

        While someone like Omid would stay quiet so that he could continue to get information from them, I can only see the other RRs who normally go after them keep quiet for reasons related to the lawsuit. They aren’t going to be quiet just to be nice.

      • notasugarhere says:

        I doubt the RRs know where they are. They are furiously missing their cash cows, that is clear.

      • Abena Asantewaa says:

        @lowrider, no the media hasn’t got the foggiest idea where they are. They would have splashed it all over their newspapers and be proud of their scoop.

  10. S808 says:

    Hope they’re having a great time away from that sh*t show of a family.

  11. Rogue says:

    Wasn’t it reported that Harry’s engagement at the end of November would be his last& hasnt the press reported on this 6 week break on every article about them since they went dark?

    So then why is it a surprise or ‘exclusive’ that they may not be attending these palace parties? Seems like some are missing new content from the Sussexes.

    The future kings and queen consorts have had fantastic engagements recently- see Camilla’s home house Christmas engagement& the Mary Berry special so lots for the media to focus on.

    • Brittanie says:

      They’re legit obsessed with the Sussexes. I think they’re obsessed with forcing them to comply to their demands and Harry and Meghan aren’t and I don’t think they’ve ever experienced that. Harry told them multiple times that he won’t be bullied.

    • S808 says:

      They hate H&M but they need them. It’s why they tell them to go away and get so pissed when they actually do.

      • bamaborn says:

        Lol!! S808. It’s a form of psychosis playing out in real time. “Go Away, Please come back.” Lol

    • Yvette says:

      @Rogue, I came here to say this very thing. Why would anyone be surprised when it’s been reported ad nauseam that the Sussexes would be on a 6-week break during the Holidays.

      • Olenna says:

        Ditto! This story isn’t even “news”. From celebrity sites, to Twitter, to IG, to royal gossip sites, the holiday break and whether Queenie approves has been discussed, debated and complained about repeatedly. It’s all about the clicks and $$$, simple.

      • Tourmaline says:

        Well, there were many doubters, including this site, as to whether the reported 6 week break was an accurate story or not. And lo and behold, it was an accurate story and they are gone for 6 weeks.

    • Nic919 says:

      It’s like they forget how to count. It hasn’t been six weeks from when Harry was last seen so there is no reason why they would be at the Christmas party. If they weren’t going to be at the Christmas Day church walk, they weren’t going to be at things the week before.

  12. Jumpingthesnark says:

    1. Setting up their charity, and 2. avoiding the possibility that the the BRF would make them cape for Andy/pap walks with Andy sprung on them, which would interfere with #1. Go Sussexes!

    • lookinglikeasnack says:

      If I were doing their PR I would tell them to hold off on the charity for awhile. The NY Post article yesterday was critical of the RF looking to fundraise in the States.

      • Jumpingthesnark says:

        The New York Post is a tabloid rag on a level with the Daily Fail. I would put exactly no stock in what they say.

      • VS says:

        @Jumpingthesnark —– THANK YOU; my goodness, to think someone shouldn’t live their life because of what is published in a trashy tabloid rag……..H&M should go 100% on their charity. They have an army of fans ready to spend their money on any of their projects. Myself included, I will always contribute to any Meghan’s (Meghan only and by extension Harry now) driven initiative

  13. Pineapple says:

    Why is there all this analysis? They took a break from the blatant racism. That is it. Meghan couldn’t go a day without being trashed by the tabloids and NO ONE stood up for her. Never forget people. Never forget. AND … chances are Harry’s relatives while not stopping it, might have been involved in starting it.

    • Toot says:

      Yep, Meghan is having a break from all those two faced people for the holidays. A nice drama free first holiday season with her family without having to deal with “sources” talking crap about her to the press.

      The Sussexes have very trust worthy folks around them now because no leaks come fron their camp.

      • RoyalBlue says:

        That’s what I am most happy about for them. They have gotten rid of the leakers. Finally. It’s so clear because the press are licking their wounds and making up stories about how the Sussexes are breaking tradition by not showing up for these pretentious events.

      • Lowrider says:

        They have not rid themselves of leakers. The new leakers is BP court. I think it’s naive to think the press has no idea where the Sussex’s are right now.

      • notasugarhere says:

        No leaks from their camp thus far. If the media knew where they were, there is no way they’d keep quiet. Their cash cows have disappeared in the wind, likely because Harry and Meghan are no longer informing KP (W&K) of their whereabouts.

  14. Loretta says:

    British media are desperate to have infos and pics of the Sussexes, without them there isn’t money.
    I’m happy that Harry and Meghan are spending time with Doria so far of that Royal Family mess.

  15. sue denim says:

    this is prob a lot of crazy speculation and projection but…Meghan has a lot of experience w abusive family dynamics and distancing herself from them, and even tho H’s family are better clothed and bejeweled, the dynamics overall seem abusive, w awful people like PA elevated above flawed but better people like PC, or W&K for all their mediocrity elevated above M&H who seem to care far more about really doing something constructive w their lives and privileges. Because they’re the BRF, it must be so much harder to see the truth of people like the Queen, but between the PA situation and having Meghan, maybe the scales have fallen from H’s eyes. Again, prob lots of projection… I just think post Me Too, Trump, Kavanaugh and in their case PA’s crimes, we’re all learning to see things as they really are, not as we’ve been gaslit to believe them to be…

  16. RoyalBlue says:

    Not surprised at all. But we know they are working behind the scenes because that’s what Meghan and Harry do. The are hard workers and I pay no heed to the silly year-end numbers game. The work that is tallied is not the same as what value they add.

    • Harla says:

      I agree Royal Blue, the Sussex’s aren’t interested in playing the year end numbers game because they know that they’ve worked hard and produced solid results. I would be interested though in seeing the actual number of private visits and meetings, with what they’ve done I imagine it would be quite high.

      • RoyalBlue says:

        Harla me too. I think what the Sussexes do doesn’t compare with the odd appearance and ribbon cutting. They spend time doing stuff like: Meetings, planning, developing ideas, organizing, troubleshooting, fundraising, negotiating etc. that will never be in the CC. So I say don’t bother to send me the list of numbers at the end of the year. Tell me instead how you helped the homeless and needy.

      • Marie says:

        @Harla, I agree. I was thinking back to how much they have done this year all while having a newborn and enduring a smear campaign. I am sure if they counted every single meeting like the Cambridge’s do, their end of year numbers would be way higher. It shows they are not about the numbers but the work. They definitely deserve this break. They have been through a lot this year.

  17. Flamingo says:

    I don’t think they are at Oprah’s house in California, maybe Hawaii. Oprah had a ton of guests at her house for Thanksgiving according to instagram. My guess is somewhere where they really have no chance of being papped, like Bali.

    • BabsORIG says:

      I believe they spent Thanksgiving with mama Doria and then flew out to Botswana. These 2 love Botswana.

    • Olenna says:

      I don’t know why Oprah was considered. It’s more likely they are staying with a wealthy, close friend of Harry’s, like Nacho Figueras, or at one of the outlying royal estates.

  18. Mignionette says:

    Good for them. End of.

    Edit; also really tired of this idea that Meghan has to be best buds with her SIL, i.e. something that is not expected in other family set ups.

    Further families alternate whom they spend xmas with. Betty is in Windsor all year round whilst Doria rarely gets to see Archie. Meghan couldn’t win either way so they might as well do what makes them happy as a family.

  19. TeddyPicker says:

    I’m so interested in the logistics of ‘going dark’ – for any celebrity. Presumably, the media would pay dearly for tips on their location or candid shots which makes it near impossible to go out in public places. I suppose they could be holed up on an estate or private island, but for 6 weeks? That would drive me up the wall, even if it was an incredible, opulent location.

    • Becks1 says:

      Honestly this is the most interesting part of this to me. And I dont mean it in a “the public has a right to know where they are” – just from a logistical perspective, the fact that no one knows where they are is fascinating to me (or no one is saying.)

      I know that overall Harry and Meghan are better at being “stealthy” so to speak than others – I mean, we still dont know where they went for their honeymoon, we only know they went to France because of the pictures from the airport (I dont think the Ibiza rumors were ever confirmed), etc. Meghan works behind the scenes for months to launch projects such as the cookbook and Smart Set, with very little being leaked about it.

      Its just fascinating to me that they are able to move so under the radar.

      • People at their level are able to drop out all the time. Think of the Obamas, the Clooneys, Tom Hanks, Oprah, et al. We only know where they are when they want us to know — most of the time. For example, it’s a well known fact in Hollywood that you can live a private life with that level of fame by avoiding all the places the press hang out or — if you want to be seen (no matter if you pretend that you don’t) then you go to certain restaurants or venues. I think the Sussexes have very wisely taken major control of their story by moving away from the KP snake pit, separating their work from Harry’s viper of a brother, filing the lawsuits, and bringing in their own small, loyal team. Of course, the moment they step back into their “jobs” the royal couriers and the trash press will come at them again but at least the Sussexes are getting a handle on how to minimalist the impact of all that in their personal lives.

      • Nic919 says:

        We really see how much leaking from happened from KP because the lack of information about H and M now that they are gone is glaringly obvious.

      • Becks1 says:

        @JA – thats a good point. Many celebrities can lay low when necessary .I’m just surprised, given the interest from the press in “Where are they” that no one in the random public has tried for a moment of fame by outing them. Its part of why I wonder if they arent just hanging out in Frogmore, living their life, having tea with the Queen, and thats why its not a big deal that they wont be at these other christmas events.

        Also, agree with Nic and ArtHistorian about the leaking. Its amazing how fast the leaks dried up once the Sussexes split from KP…..

      • Lowrider says:

        “the fact that no one knows where they are is fascinating to me (or no one is saying.) ”

        The media know where they are, it’s just not being published. Wait for the new round of attacks from the media in the new year about “privacy”. 😉

      • BellaBella says:

        Having worked for one of the most famous women in the world, I think it is quite easy for famous people to go off the radar. The circle of people who know is actually quite small. And the people who do know love and protect them. That’s how it is if you want to work with or for them. I’m glad Megan and Harry have found people they can trust.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Yes, now that KP staff (and W&K) are out of the loop about their plans? Zero leaks.

    • Mignionette says:

      I’m starting to believe that the filing of the law suit was a bargaining chip for and amnesty over the holiday/ Christmas period.

      • Viola says:

        @mignonette I do believe it’s simpler than that. Once information is in the hands of anyone at KP, it is shared with the Sun/Times or Mail. By keeping their plans within, Frogmore, it is less likely to be disseminated.

      • ArtHistorian says:

        Didn’t all the leaks stop at the time they split from the KP office? Their office moved to BP and since then the leaks have pretty much stopped.

        It really makes you go hmm. If KP really leaked that much (and the lack of leaks after the move seems to support this assumption), then you have to wonder at William’s involvement since he is the boss of the KP office.

  20. Marie says:

    I am thrilled they will be away for the Christmas parties. I hope they are enjoying their time off and come back in January stronger than ever. I definitely think things will change in the new year regarding the Sussex’s.

  21. Valiantly Varnished says:

    I hope they are enjoying their break with their little one. They deserve it. And have more than earned it.

  22. Rogue says:

    This break was reported as a mental health break but reporting around them tends to mix facts with negative narrative. Didn’t Meghan do some work through her mat leave with preparing Vogue issue which included visits to Luminary Bakery, SmartWorks, gearing up SmartSet project& make some appearances at Harry’s events? One of her patronage’s has also talked about BTS meetings which haven’t been reported or in CC. Plus Harry was doing engagements right after Archie was born.

    And they’ve also been liaising with lawyers over the lawsuits. So maybe plan all along was to take some delayed maternity/paternity leave at the end of the year after all that was out the way.

    The Queen isn’t even making Andrew go dark with all the furore around him so not sure she would have been behind their break.

    On another note Meghan has just been voted person treated most unfairly in Britain in 2019.

    • Marie says:

      I agree Rogue. I think Harry saved his paternity leave for the holidays. Saying it is because of their “fragile mental health” sells better I guess.

      • Williams team also leaked him saying, that “he for one was glad the Sussexes would not be at Sandringham for Christmas. That it would be better without them.” With close family like that, why would Meghan and Harry want to spend time with them. William is such an ass.

      • Lady D says:

        William’s jealous. He would have to share the spotlight again and in front of the whole family to boot.

      • ArtHistorian says:

        @JA Lowcountry Lady

        This is the first time I’ve heard about this. Where did this story come from? Because that is a really nasty story and if it really comes from William’s office, then wow.

      • RedRoyal says:

        @ArtHistorian

        Actually William’s “friend” told Closer Magazine, I believe. The “friend” didn’t say it would be better without them.

  23. MellyMel says:

    I really hope they are enjoying their break and holiday season without stress and drama. And I love that we (and the media) don’t know where they are. It’s fascinating.

    • Lowrider says:

      There is no way a high profile senior royal left the country for 6 weeks and the media has no idea where. 🙂

      The press knew when Harry would travel to Toronto to visit Meghan, they knew when Will went dad dancing in Switzerland, they knew when the Cambridge’s went on their family ski vacation.

      • VS says:

        @Lowrider ——– you keep repeating it as if the more times you write it, the more believable you are. If the trashy royal gossipers knew where they were, it would be all over the news. H&M don’t need the press to know where they are………why isn’t the press using this time to report on C&C, W&K, on the York (isn’t Bea getting married), on Prince Andrew?…….why not just ignore the Sussexes?

  24. Charfromdarock says:

    I hope wherever they are they are having a peaceful and joyous time.

    This almost made my eyes roll out of me head:
    “The Queen hosts the event out of her own pocket each year …”

  25. LC says:

    I expected that they wouldn’t be around for Christmas and good for them for sticking to their guns and really taking this time away. The Firm is toxic. It’s actually perfect timing; they won’t have to perform for the cameras if Andrew successfully manages to inserts himself (with TQ’s blessing, yuck) on Christmas Day.

  26. Rogue says:

    @LC press are reporting that Andrew will attend church with the family on Christmas but will drive with the Queen in the car and I guess not do the walk. They also say (as I and others have predicted) that George& Charlotte will do the walk. So we’ll see but suspect it’s true and all hands on deck to end the year on a PR positive note

    • LC says:

      @Rogue. Thanks. I suspected he would indeed be there. It makes me cringe to think of George and Charlotte’s first walk providing cover for him, but I guess that is the life.

    • Lisa says:

      There were some blinds saying that many members of the RF would get suddenly “sick” if Andrew was allowed to walk, and George and Charlotte wouldn’t walk if he did. I guess this is the compromise. Andrew is loathsome, but I don’t really see why G&C shouldn’t walk to church with their family, especially since George will be king one day (assuming the monarchy is still around), so I think it’s unfair that some are critisizinf them walking now that we know he won’t be in pics with them. If Andrew wasn’t allowed to come to church at all it would be pretty much an admission of guilt as it looks really bad to not allow someone to go to church and we know the Queen isn’t willing to disown him. If he were the one to get “sick” it would be very obvious too. No other solution here without disowning him.

    • Nic919 says:

      I think it’s gross to use George and Charlotte as cover for pedo Andy. They are younger than when kids first start being seen on the walk so this could have waited till next year. Or they could go to Buckleberry and do the walk there. If William really wants to look like he is against Andy he should be taking real action instead of bs like this. Andy is not going to be King so why do they need to support him? Covering for someone who has raped a sex trafficking victim is not a good look and just pretending that this is all going to fade away is the dumb ostrich move that the Queen tried with Diana and failed.

      • Lisa says:

        I don’t think anyone should support Andy but clearly the Queen has decided to and I don’t think being in a picture/not being in a picture is that big a deal in the grand scheme of things, they are all implicitly supporting him by participating in this whole institution which covers up the misdeeds of RF members, big and small. TQ is standing by her son and in photos w him looking happy, so is supporting TQ and being in pictures with her that much better? I just don’t see why the picture/walk thing is the red line to cross. I don’t know how old kids usually are when doing the walk, I’m sure you’re right and they could wait another year or two, etc. but is walking next year much better as I’m sure he’ll still be around then? What about years in the past when I’m sure some in the family knew about Andy’s activities, but they walked w him just fine? Or M&H in a picture in the same frame as him at Rememberance Day, etc? It just all seems like an arbitrary line of “support”. TQ’a actions are gross to me regarding this.

      • Nic919 says:

        There are no good reasons to bring out the kids this year. Period. Doing so is using their innocence to cover for a creep who has raped underaged girls caught up in a sex trafficking scheme. William and Kate agreeing to use their kids in this shameful way only compounds the poor decisions of the Queen. And that’s on them.

        Nothing is stopping them from going to Buckleberry this year. They should be doing that instead.

        William talked about hating how his parents used him and Harry for PR during the break up and divorce and now he is using his kids for PR for an entirely worse reason.

  27. JanetFerber says:

    I’ve heard Brits justify the Royal Family expenses by saying they make it up in tourism. I call B.S. on that. I believe the royals IN NO WAY make up their cost with tourism. If people think so, let them get some numbers and data.

  28. TheHare says:

    The German gossip press has been reporting that M is pregnant again. She might be, what do you think? Even better they get away for a bit.

    • Mary says:

      I thought she was pregnant back in the early Fall. It would be an ideal time for Meghan to both take a break and enjoy a pregnancy without being battered by the press every time she turned around. It would be great if they showed up In January and announced that she was due in the Spring!

      • Melissa says:

        This is my though too. I really thought she looked pregnant at her last couple of engagements. I would not be surprised if they announce an April baby in January.

    • Abena Asantewaa says:

      @Thehare, if Meghan is pregnant, that would be a welcome news to some of us. I hope it’s true. However, the Germans are only making an educated guess, they know nothing!

  29. JanetFerber says:

    All the very best to Meghan and Harry. I so, so, so want them to have another baby in 2020.

    • GM says:

      I agree! Putting my tin foil hat on- but I think the reason why Meghan has been embracing her post baby body and not slimming down to what she was pre-baby is because they knew that they wanted to get pregnant again in 2020.

  30. aquarius64 says:

    The Sussexes are enjoying their time off and the BRF who were sending out the nasty stories are getting karmic payback by doing the Sandringham Walk of Shame with Andrew this Christmas, they’re bracing themselves for a GiGi Maxwell interview that will make matters worse and a second woman is coming forward about Andrew supposedly in January – the same month Beatrice is announcing her wedding date. They need the Sussexes to help restore the monarchy’s reputation whether they like it or not.

    • Lowrider says:

      How is this karmic payback? The BRF have publicly supported Andrew since he was photographed walking with Epstein in the NY. They were only forced by the patronages and media to halt Andrews royal work. However they continue to show him complete support.

      If the BRF was embarrassed by him they would ostracize him like Fergie or send him on a 6 week break out of public eye like the Sussex’s…

      It is HILARIOUS to me that people think his family actually cares about Andrews dirty deeds!

      • aquarius64 says:

        The BRF may not care about the deeds but they care about how the deeds make the whole family look bad.

  31. Benny says:

    Eh… i think meghan is pregnant.

  32. Miriam says:

    The Sussexs have beaten everyone! They timed this perfectly and got to avoid the toxic relstives+walk of SHAME alongside Andy!

    I’m glad for them and I hope we never find out where they are and they get to enjoy their break. I mean I was thinking about how much those in charge of the CC left out Sussexs events especially the work for that NHS mental health advert which was promted as kate thing and only listed the cambridges working and meeting for it!!
    The new year will bring much needed change especially with the lawsuits exposing yet more ILLEGAL DEALINGS by the XENOPHOBIC British press and RRs. I dont see Meghan settling and we might see her take the stand to speak her truth.

    I’m hoping Byline’s investigative team digs up something about the cambridges/bill being behind the smearing campaign against Meghan. It could be linked to his affair and firing of that assistant who was returning from her honeymoon.

    • Tourmaline says:

      Speaking of Byline they had some really interesting stuff published recently about Katie Nicholl being linked to hacking of Harry’s phone while she was at the DM….this was in the pre-Meghan years, but the Byline investigation strongly indicated that many of her royal stories were sourced via hacking.

      • Lowrider says:

        Katie was the one that report Harry and Chelsy had a tearful phonecall before his wedding. Chelsy ratted to her or she has someone listening on Harry’s calls.

      • Jaded says:

        @Lowrider: The Daily Mail and Katie are not dependable sources of news. Generally they make stuff up out of nothing and the “unnamed sources” they quote is a dead giveaway that they’re covering their butts on these kinds of fake stories.

      • Marie says:

        @Lowrider. I always thought that about Chelsy as well. Katie also has the story about Harry cutting Chelsy out of his life completely and blaming Meghan. What does she expect when her ex boyfriend gets married?

        Also, I heard the “tearful” phone call was Chelsy begging for an invite to the evening reception and Harry refusing.

  33. Jaded says:

    The Andrew stuff is enough to make anyone associated with the BRF run away and it will get worse. Stuff like this takes a long time to unravel and mummy dearest is doing her damndest to support Andrew but as more women open up about him, his good pal G Maxwell and more shite on Epstein rises to the surface, he’s going to have a lotta ‘splaining to do.

    • Lisa says:

      Yeah, institutions like the BRF enable abuses like Andrew to be committed and covered up. Whether someone is in a photo with him or not seems to me a bit silly, they are all part of this institution. Individuals avoiding the pics just distances themselves personally from him and helps their personal brand, as well as attempts to salvage the RF brand as a whole and keeps this cycle going. I don’t really think someone is better than someone else bc they aren’t in a photo with Andrew walking to church.

      • Nic919 says:

        Trotting the kids out when they don’t need to be there is a bad look for a parent though. I know you are saying this because Harry and Meghan look smart for not being around when Andy is there, but whether or not they are skipping it all for that reason or another, the fact remains that William and Kate are voluntarily putting their kids as shields for pedo Andy when there is no need to do so. George won’t have to abdicate in the future because he didn’t show moral support of his Pedo uncle when he was six years old. George should be protected by his parents and bringing him out this year is a failure on their part. And Charlotte is four and no royal kid has ever walked that young.
        If the institution of the monarchy wants to survive they need to cut out the cankers and Andy is not central to the institution anymore. He is expendable. Compromising George’s image to protect Andy is grotesque.

  34. Div says:

    This probably won’t be a popular opinion, but I think Harry and Meghan see the writing on the wall that the BRF is probably going to fall apart after the Queen dies because all the dirty laundry about how people kept Andrew’s f*ckeries quiet and even Dickie Mountbatten (it was alleged that he was also a pedo) will spill out.

    I like Harry and Meghan a lot, so I’m not being critical here, but I believe they are smartly distancing themselves so when the time comes they can break off and live a non-royal life (with Meghan’s money and the money Harry inherited) and work for charities and get jobs without being hurt by the (likely, imo) sordid demise of the BRF. And of course, I think they just need a break from the racism and back stabbing.

    • Tourmaline says:

      I agree with you, I think they are deliberately distancing themselves. It will be interesting to see what 2020 holds and how their charitable foundation, etc. develops in the new year.

    • Lisa says:

      The monarchy knows how to preserve itself and has done so for hundreds or years, and the BRF has survived much worse crises over the centuries without falling apart. Scandal and royals have always gone together. I do think the BRF will be streamlined as has been speculated for a while, and it’s probably a good excuse for Charles to finally do this. H&M would still be working royals in this formulation, and I very much doubt they want to be private citizens. Meghan would benefit majorly going private now, Harry not so much as it’s all he’s known and is very much used to the privileges associated. Theres probably many reasons for H&M staying away from Christmas, and preserving their brand by staying away from Andy is likely one of them. They kind of just avoid situations/people bad for their brand (trump, Andy) by giving excuses, and this ultimately is for their own benefit. I’m not going to give them a ton of credit for avoiding photos/interactions w/ pedophiles and wannabe dictators.

      • ArtHistorian says:

        Normally, I’d be extremely skeptic about the British monarchy folding because longevity does ensure a certain kind of inertia (and practically it would be a lot of work to legally untangle the Crown from the entire official edifice and I can see that wouldn’t be a priority).

        Historically, monarchies have only fallen due to extreme political and/or military events. The British monarchy was overthrown for a couple of decades during the 17th century through a bloody revolution that included a trial and the execution of the Monarch himself. The French monarchy was first overthrown through another bloody revolution that also included the execution of the monarch. In France the monarchy was restored several times during the 19th century but it never lasted long.

        The German and Austro-Hungarian empires fell in the aftermath of WWI and an number of Eastern European monarchies fell after WWII when Communism became entrenched in Eastern Europe (Romania, Bulgaria, Jugoslavia and Albania). In all these cases a major war and its political aftermath was the catalyst.

        The Greek monarchy feel through a military coup in the 60s.

        The Spanish monarchy has had a tumultuous history during the 19th and 20th centuries. During the Napoleonic invasion in the early 1800s, the Spanish king was forced from the throne. He was later restored but the monarchy again fell briefly in 1873 with the first Spanish republic but was reinstated through a coup the next year. It fell once again in 1931 when the Spanish king went into exile and the second Spanish republic was formed and then overthrown with the beginning of the civil war that ended in a decades long Fascist regime. The monarchy was only fully restored in 1975, which is very recent (i.e. within living memory) and that is why the Spanish monarchy remains the most vulnerable of all the remaining European monarchies, vulnerable to the extent that the scandals surrounding King Juan Carlos and Infanta Christina were serious enough to affect the future survival of the institution because restored monarchies are always very vulnerable for quite some time (usually the time within living memory because a nation that remembers living without a monarch is more likely to abolish a monarchy again). The only European monarchy that has survived a restoration in the long term is indeed the British one.

        So it would take much more than the scandal surrounding Andrew, as bad as it is, to topple such an ancient and entrenched institution. However, in the current context, Brexit might become a game changer, especially if it becomes a hard Brexit and the economic and social consequences are quite severe. Andrew’s scandal couldn’t come at a worse time! The fact that the Queen so openly supports him doesn’t help. However, despite Brexit I still find it doubtful that the British monarchy would fall – it would have to be something quite extreme to make that happen and while Brexit could become a game changer, it would depend on how severe the effects will be on Britain and whether the Andrew scandal gets worse or other royal scandals happen.

        All in all, there is a possibility that the British monarchy could be abolished but i’d say that the changes are slim. However, the fact that the possibility may seem credible is surprising enough in and of itself. It isn’t something I would have though just a few years ago.

      • Maria says:

        The Brexit the UK is going to get with Johnson is going to be a game changer.

      • Some chick says:

        That was fascinating, ArtHistorian! Thank you for writing it up and sharing it here! Very informative. I really appreciated it.

      • Abena Asantewaa says:

        @Lisa, I agree, The Royal Family has ridden the storm many times, through many scandals, for a thousand years, it is not going anywhere, it will evolve, that is how they have survived. Meghan won’t let Harry leave the family, otherwise, she would be blamed for it. They would stay low key and focus on their duties and their family. I think they see The Queen, more than any of the other royals, and the queen understands that, they need a break. Harry never took his paternity leave, Meghan worked throughout her mat leave.

    • bamaborn says:

      Totally agree, DIV. Honestly think they are getting their “ducks in a row” so to speak, so when the ole lady passes, they will not be caught off guard. They are obviously the brightest ones of that group.

  35. Lummy dee says:

    I doubt they are staying at Oprah’s, if they were Scoobie would have hinted it in Harper’s Bazaar.

    • MsIam says:

      Omid has been granted a lot of access to the Sussexes so the last thing he would do is jeopardize that by saying (or hinting at) where they are. If anything, he will report it after the fact. So no telling if he knows where they are or not.

  36. kerwood says:

    Good for them. Why should they spend their first Christmas as a family with a sex offender and a bunch of people who dont like them. This way, Meghan doesn’t have to be insulted by the Christmas blackamoor broach.

    I’m sure Meghan, Harry and Archie will have much more fun away from that pile of stiffs. Normal Bill and Keen Katie must be grinding their teeth because now they’re going to be stuck at Sandringham, acting all future king and consort. Good times.

  37. Alli says:

    Hope they are having a great break and enjoying the family time! Am glad that there no further smearing and just hoping they have a great family holiday. They sure deserve some time off after all the hard work !

  38. Rogue says:

    @Lisa they haven’t complained about privacy or even press intrusion even though they did take legal action& won after helicopter was hired to take pictures and videos inside their rental home. That’s press spin when they haven’t gotten the profitable pictures they wanted eg around the birth& christening.

    What they have spoken out against is press lies& agenda against Meghan.

    They also haven’t avoided Trump/Andrew. Meghan had given birth like a month before the June state visit so doubt she was ever factored in to attend (these things are planned in advance). Harry did attend an event during the state visit & was seen alongside a Trump (Ivanka) unlike other younger royals.

    They’ve also been seen with Andrew since Epstein’s suicide& were sat right behind him just before his big interview. I think the break was planned in advance so recent absences isn’t to do with their ‘brand’. If they had deliberately avoided Trump etc against Queen’s wishes going by press since the Oz tour, no reason to believe that wouldn’t have been leaked by a courtier by now.

    In relation to a post above I’ve been saying younger royals numbers need to improve& they will need to do more bread& butter engagements especially as Andrew is not around. But clearly someone like Meghan does do a lot of BTS work as the CC did not reflect any of her meetings before the Together cookbook or Vogue was published even though there is picture evidence of different meetings with SmartWorks etc. So the numbers don’t give the full picture& I imagine that’s the case for the royals who do project work.

    • Lisa says:

      Yeah, I’m saying I don’t think the break is because of Andy or trump (the NATO event). That was meant as a response to some above that they are smart and strategic and “winning” for planning this to avoid Andy, etc. I don’t think it had to do w that and I don’t think they had a choice at the Rememberance Day event as they couldn’t not come to that. Harry did come to the previous Trump visit but avoided being in pictures and looked like he was there for a root canal. Yeah Meghan had a great resason to not be there but I think she would have come to at least the lunch had it been Obama. I don’t blame her, I wouldn’t want to be in a room w the Trumps personally, especially since he made gross comments about her being “nasty” right before that, etc. I just think it should be consistent, I’m not going to praise them for not doing the Sandrinfham walk like they are making a statement bout not supporting Andy, but I’m not going to criticize them for being in a pic w him at Rememberance Day. Seems like many either criticize everything they do or praise everything they do.

      Those event metrics are very limited and somewhat arbitrary, I agree and don’t really even look at them. I think it also has to do with perception and personal feelings towards particular royals. Some people who like W&K will say they do a lot behind the scenes too, or perceive them as bringing higher value to the RF, and some will say the same about H&M, and I think it has to do w which couple is more visible in the media a particular person is exposed to and it’s slant on the couples and other royals. Also if you like a particular Royal more you might read more about them and perceive them to do more work than other people. I personally don’t see evidence of H&M doing so much more behind the scenes though I see it written here which is a pro H&M anti W&K site. We don’t actually know how much work goes on behind the scenes by any of them, and what that “work” includes. Their work is mostly PR, so it has a different definition and is harder to measure.

      • Rogue says:

        Even saying effort might have been made if it was Obama suggests a choice but my point was that it was a scheduled absence. She had miss racist brooch at her wedding, she’s been on a public engagement with racist Boris Johnson and kept it pushing& there’s a photo of her being smiley with her evil half sister at her graduation so my guess is she’s used to being around unpleasant people& can keep it professional.

        Harry was in a photo apparently looking grumpy during the state visit but he was pictured with Ivanka Trump – the other younger royals weren’t pictured with any Trumps. And assuming Trump isn’t lying (as usual) Trump claimed he was nice and polite so seems he did his job. He was also with Melania at Invictus in 2017.

        I personally haven’t seen Andrew and Meghan engage the whole time she’s been in the family even though they tend to be places near each other at family events. But my point is I don’t think any of them would publicly avoid/snub Andrew. IMO timing has just worked out for them post interview fallout and this extended break was planned ages ago. Of course people will have different takes on all these things- that’s why there isn’t a consistent view.

        Re Christmas walk yes having the kids walk is good PR but I don’t think it’s just about Andrew- whole family could do with nice images to end a troubled year& William& Harry made their debuts at 5 and 4 so George and Charlotte are around the right age to join in anyway.

        In relation to BTS work, wasn’t there an article posted here the other day about Kate doing private hospice visits and some work experience at a hospital? So where it’s known about it does seem to get covered here.

        Meghan’s BTS work is backed up by the projects she’s done so far: Together cookbook, Vogue and offshoot of Vogue -the SmartSet capsule collection. Edward Enniful said in a Guardian interview that they had daily secret visits for Vogue and as mentioned above the CEO of the dog rescue charity she is patron of said they had had private meetings during her maternity leave which isn’t captured anywhere so can’t really say how much work she is doing.

        @lowrider sure we will get reports of this break eventually& you could be right that some in media know their whereabouts. Hard to believe they’d keep it quiet though as they just seem thirsty for content so slapping exclusive on anything& when have they been discrete/respected their privacy?

        Not impossible they’re really gone dark. Press don’t know honeymoon location to this date, she was able to have the baby & get back home before media knew even though they apparently had hospitals staked out and I don’t think it was ever reported how frequently they met up before the engagement interview revealed it. But we’ll see. I do agree BP courtiers are just as leaky though- guessing that’s how the Sun got news they wouldn’t be at Sandringham in the first place.

  39. Oliviajoy1995 says:

    I was thinking maybe she is pregnant again and they wanted the time off to get her through the first trimester or something without all the stress with the British tabloids. I’m sure I’m wrong but that’s what I was thinking when I heard they were taking a 6 week break.

  40. Le4Frimaire says:

    I don’t understand this flurry of stories surrounding these staff parties. Everyone’s known for weeks they were taking an extended break and spending Christmas with Meghan’s mom. They are away so why the sudden speculation and handwringing? Wherever they are, hope they are making the most of the trip on their terms. Hope they are several time zones away from the U.K.

  41. Guest says:

    I hope they are having a wonderful luxury filled break. The kind that none of you will
    ever be able to afford – and an extended 6 week vacation that none of you can ever take, seeing how all of you start crying whenever the other couple take a family vacation for multiple weeks – just like every other parent does when their kids are off school. The Sussexes can go underground when they want to, the Sussexes are only ever seen when they want to be seen. There’s no paparazzi chasing them, there’s no members of the public hounding them, they have their privacy, so the hysteria is made up. The other Royals are the same. Lastly they deserve a stunning luxurious vacation and obviously none of you do because none of you work as hard as Meghan – not in a million years. Run along to your aimless low paid jobs while the real people take on careers/work which really do change the world.

  42. Rogue says:

    Funny thing is after this angst about the Sussexes not attending the staff party, majority of the senior royals were absent including Camilla, Sophie, Edward, William, Kate and Anne. But Andrew was present lol

  43. Belli says:

    So much is being made in the press of H&M taking a whole 6 weeks off (the audacity!), but how many times have W&K disappeared for 6 weeks or more without a peep from the media? They’ve definitely had that large a gap between engagements before!