Back in the day, Prince Charles and Princess Diana were wildly popular at home and abroad. Even in the early days of their marriage, Diana was always the star, and that’s when Charles starting feeling so emo about his place in the world, as he was being constantly outshone by his charismatic young wife. So as their marriage crumbled, they continued to put on the show of a stable marriage as they toured the world. Is… that what William and Kate should try to emulate? According to Robert Jobson, YES. Will and Kate are set to become the nouveau Charles & Di.
The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge are a ‘new-look’ Prince Charles and Princess Diana, a royal expert has claimed. Robert Jobson, author of Charles: Our Future King, said the position of Prince William and Kate Middleton, both 37, in the royal family will ‘continue to evolve’ in 2020. Speaking to Hello! magazine, the Essex-born commentator added that the couple are set to become a ‘major force’ in the UK’s soft-power diplomacy.
‘I believe the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge’s position will continue to evolve, with them resembling more of a new-look Charles and Diana in their hugely successful early days on the world stage, becoming a major force in the UK’s soft-power diplomacy,’ he said.
Mr Jobson added that the Duke and Duchess of Sussex will use this year to continue to push their own agenda and charity work through their new Sussex Foundation. ‘I would expect them to spend more time in the US and maybe make an official visit to Canada,’ he predicted.
Mr Jobson said he expects Prince Charles to take on the bulk of the Queen’s major overseas visits and will play a central role at the Commonwealth Heads of Government meeting in Rwanda. ‘He will probably tour another African country too,’ he added.
I’m going to take what Jobson says at face value for a moment and ask again: should that be the goal? Should British peeps WANT William and Kate to be “new-look Charles and Diana,” touring on a worldwide Keen Tour? I don’t even think that’s what the British people want, nor do I think it’s what William and Kate want. The Pakistan tour last fall was so wildly successful for the Cambridges because it was such a rarity – they had stage-managed every photo-op, they didn’t try to claim that the tour was “private time,” and Kate didn’t flash anybody. They needed months to prepare for all of that. So, no, they can’t do that full time! Really, Jobson is just telling us that William and Kate are keen to be seen as the future king and future queen. That’s all it is.
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Is that a good thing?
Seriously, this was my first thought coming upon the headline. It certainly is a prophesy with negative connotations.
I agree with you both. I don’t particularly like either of these two, but then I don’t wish them a messy divorce, either, and that’s what I think of when I think of Chuck and Di – pretty wedding, horrible divorce.
It is such a bizarre thing to wish on Kate. Do these people understand what they’re saying?
I don’t think Kate cares in the way Diana cared. Diana had pride, and was an aristo before marriage (she had bluer blood than Charles’ teutonic family). Kate just wants money and a title, and will put up with anything William does to get/keep it. So I don’t think William’s cheating and their imbalance of power bothers Kate too much.
I also think Kate is no Diana. The world is not fascinated with Kate they way they were with Diana, Kate lacks the people skills, the fashion, and the “it” factor that Diana had. But I am not surprised they are trying to play the “Diana” card once again. Every time Kate flashes that cursed ring, we are reminded of it.
Why would anyone want to call will and Kate the new Charles and Diana?
@ Ali. I know, it’s like asking for a curse to be put on someone and pretending it’s a good thing.
Kate simply does not have either the charisma or soulfulness of Diana. She’s too manic and regular.
Maybe it’s a coded way of saying William will begin to professionally step out on Kate and she will have to just accept it????
Yep. People don’t automatically think “international superstars” when you mention Charles and Diana as a couple these days – they think messy divorced that played out in the full glare of the media. It is a really weird comparison to make, even though it has been decades. Charles and Diana are now more known for their messy divorce than their fairy tale wedding.
Diana had charisma. Kate doesn’t.
Charles has a work ethic. William doesn’t.
Charles and Diana’s marriage crumbled… Jury’s still out on that one.
For all of Charles and Diana’s nonsense, Bill and Cathy will never even come close to the impact they had.
They’ve had years to do something noteworthy … Instead they waited until Harry married up, and used that jealousy to spur them on. And even then, they’re still doing 15mph on 60mph road.
Racist journos and the keen defenders clearly love the taste of mediocrity
Well said.
Exactly.
And the ridiculous thing is, they didn’t even need to do anything noteworthy.
Just 4 engagements a week would put them at just over 200 a year. That could easily be cleared in 2 days’ work each week.
If they’d plodded along with regular engagements for 8 years, even if those engagements were relatively low key, this claim that they’re dutiful and steadfast would actually have something behind it.
Agree with all of this.
oooh, well said! That last sentence…brilliant burn. You too, @Belli so true.
Very well said These people must be VERY desperate. Maybe they should have a chat with the Queen. I’ll bet she’s not longing for Chuck and Di 2.0
So well said!
Exactly!
It can’t work because Charles and Di were workaholics compared to the Keens. Even after a time neither Charles or Di could fake it on their tours. Remember the Taj Mahal pic.. epic. Exhibit B.. when will Kate’s initiative launch?
Nothing else to be said.
Charles and Diana seemed like two strong personalities, which went up against one another. William and Kate seem like two very homely people, who really do have an element of that every day British family going on. On one level it makes them relatable but on another it makes them very boring, to the British people at least.
I feel the way that she is always waving her hands around when she is speaking is her disingenuous way of trying to appear *extremely* actively engaged in whatever she is having a conversation about for the cameras.
I think this is why her facial expressions tend to be exaggerated as well.
Yes, it really shows her inability to become engaged from ‘within’ and so she uses repetitive hand and facial expressions to attempt to appear knowledgeable or empathetic but unfortunately it doesn’t come over as genuine.
Or she just talks with her hands, as many many many people do. Jesus Freud.
Those facial expressions are often out-of-place and inappropriate for the occasion. As if she doesn’t feel any empathy, but acts like a street fair marionette pretending to.
@notasugarhere you are so right!
exactly!
The smiling and thumbs up while leaving the children’s hospice was not a good look. It looked insensitive that she was doing this after leaving a place with dying children. Most people would still be feeling somber after that experience and not grinning away for photos.
Except maybe not this at all. I am a HUGE hand talker when I’m nervous, uncomfortable, or the spotlight is on me. It’s a nervous habit. It’s her nervous habit too. I hate that I do it, but it’s involuntary. Every little thing she doesn’t isn’t some sort of secret device to offset her badness or laziness. Sheesh.
And yes, even royals and public figures can still be uncomfortable. I’m a veteran teacher/professor and I still get this way a lot. Even though I’m used to it and it’s my job and I love it.
🙄
Wasn’t Kate chosen exactly not to upstage William?
Correct
The RF and the Palace as a whole did not want another ‘Diana’ who could potentially rock the monarchy again. This was made clear and widely acknowledged. The Middleton’s knew this and poor old Kate was initially groomed to be the opposite of Diana, and appear almost old fashioned and very submissive to William. She started off wearing High Street clothing to show she was not going to have an extravagant designer wardrobe like Diana. After a while and once Kate had produced an heir she began to change gear a bit and focus on trying to be a fashion icon.
Then enters Meghan, who is not submissive and wants to contribute and make a meaningful impact. Suddenly trying hard not to be like Diana is no longer an option for Kate, and now 18 years of being around and in the RF she is faced with trying to make painful and difficult changes and leave the back seat to become more relevant.
I can’t wait to see the impact Kate is going to make in 2020 with the Early Years project she has been working so hard to develop.
i do not think Cathy Cambridge is as work-shy as we have accused of her of being. I think she is dreadfully fearful of making any type of mistake and constantly held back by William every time she tries to put a foot forward in a new direction.
@BayTampaBay….though I do not agree with your first sentence, I totally agree with the rest. I think she is afraid of making a mistake and I agree William likely holds her back so she doesn’t ‘outshine’ himself. He’s apparently a bit of a prat.
She never worked before, so why would anyone assume she wants to work now and is being kept from doing so?
i did not mean to imply that Cathy Cambridge is not lazy. I wanted to imply that she is not as lazy as we tend to make her out to be.
@BayTampaBay – I kind of think it’s more that he chose her BECAUSE there’s nothing in her that would want to upstage him, nothing in her that wants to, well, do much. What makes you think she does but is held back? No shade, genuinely curious! I feel like people really give her the benefit of the doubt, but I’m not sure she’s ever done much to deserve it.
@Green Desert, I think she is being held back because does not have a “numero uno” charity that is her pride and/or passion. What educated woman in her position would not have a favorite “numero uno” charity.
My theory is that whatever charity (like Diana with AIDS) that Cathy would like to make her “cause” is not a charity William would want her to support and pour effort into due to Cathy maybe receiving more positive attention than him.
@BayTampaBay I could see that for sure. I still don’t think Kate has much knowledge or therefore passion for certain potential causes she could support. I’m not trying to be mean, but I’m not sure that’s her area. But I think you make a good point in that even if she did, William would have a fit. He is definitely like his father in that way. I do actually think she’s at least slightly interested in the mental health stuff, and it’s possible William holds her back from immersing herself in learning more and doing something about it. Doesn’t she have some interest in art? She could totally combine art and mental health. I want to advise her, LOL.
@Green Desert, if I was Cathy Cambridge, I would start a back-to-school new shoe charity modeled on Dolly Parton’s new book club.
Cathy could spend all year raising money and getting new shoe donations then have one big event a year a when as many school age children under 10 as possible get a new pair of shoes to wear to the first day of school compliments of the Duchess of Cambridge.
It does not matter if she is boring and has no charisma, like Mathilde of Belgium to me. What matters is Kate has been lazy her entire life, and consistently lazy and unprofessional since marrying in. If she cared at all about her role, she’d be uber prepared and professional at every one of her pathetic number of engagements. Going on nine years now, little to no improvement in professionalism or work ethic.
Exactly, nota! Kate doesn’t have to be Maxima or Diana, but if she was showed up and did the work, instead of coasting on her mediocrity then people would be more accepting of her lack of personality. It wouldn’t even come up because she’d be a good FFC. I mean it’s not the hardest job. She’s not the first in her position to juggle a growing family and work and she still can’t be arsed to do 200 events in a year.
I agree. If she cared to do the work, the public wouldn’t care if she stumbled in her speeches, was boring, was a size 12, wore the wrong thing all that stuff would be unimportant.
She coasted on being the youngest and thinnest female senior royal for years and the press gave her passes all the time because she can look nice in outfits. Suddenly Meghan comes along and look fashionable, youthful and do the work and there is chaos. And now Meghan also has a young child and is still doing work, which is also busting holes as to why Kate, the hands on mom with at least one nanny, can’t be working more herself.
Ditto what Nic919 said. Kate is praised for being white and very thin. That is the epitome of her “accomplishments.” And in this day and age, it is insulting to women that we haven’t moved beyond that as the standard to judge women. Kate is a reminder that society is still filled with racist, sexist, misogynistic people who heap praise on a white woman who does nothing but starve herself.
A hermit could upstage Will though.
It’s a bit of a stretch to call megan fashionable, maybe before she married into the fam. Oversized navy and beige coats on repeat are just… meh!
You’ve missed the very real shade in these comments. This is Brit press 101 – read between the lines. This is getting in a jab that W&K marriage is failing like the Wales’ did. It’s not about tours, it’s a snarky strike to KP that they’ve got claws.
That was my initial thought too. The comparison to Diana by itself – okay, Kate is often compared to Diana (as is Meghan) and Kate obviously invites those comparisons at times. But the comparison of them as a couple to Charles and Diana does not seem like its meant to be complimentary.
I wondered whether it was a (not very subtle) hint at the affair rumours. That’s what most people associate C&D’s marriage with now.
Yes, he’s not even damning them with faint praise. He’s just… damning
Charles and Diana are the prime example of the supposed fairytale marriage blowing up in front of everyone and so that’s what I took from Jobbo as well. He was being super shady.
I feel like this is shade thrown at Camilla.
The not-right gossip villain that rents a room inside me really, really, REALLY wants an insider to go all the way rogue and write a tell-all about all the young royals.
love your name and comment, v funny, thanks for the laugh
Tina Brown or Lady Colin Campbell could write the book I would want to read and buy at full price. LOL! LOL!
LOL, someone is desperate to tap into the glory days of his parents before it all went horribly wrong.
And anyway they already are the ‘new look’ Chuck and Di when it comes to their PR stunts and leaking about other family members just to look good.
That was my question on another post. Seems a shady comparison to me. Would William even want to be compared to his parents?
But yeah for their future roles Kate&William should be getting that international diplomacy experience in, getting used to engaging with world leaders etc. With Brexit& UK in need of more trade deals, royals probably will be deployed more for that soft diplomacy.
Ok look-why in the hell would ANYONE want to be a new look Charles and Diana especially when Charles is still here??!!?? I still admire Diana, but Kate can only be the best person SHE can be. Will needs to keep his scepter at home and keep his wife happy. Whomever is doing PR at the palace is completely inept. This is full on ridiculous.
“This is full on ridiculous.”
NOE SCHITT SHERLOCK!!!!
I would agree, except we haven’t been talking about grandmamas favorite son pedo Andy for, what, a week now? So maybe Liz and Buck palace and courtiers are throwing Bill and Cathy under the bus with this one? I think there is truth to the rumors, but that has been the case for a long time. The timing of all this makes me go hmmmm……
I don’t see how comparing the Cambridges to a royal couple whose marriage imploded all over the place is a good thing. Jobbo the Hut is basically saying Will and Kate will put up a good front with problems rolling underneath. Is there three in this marriage as well?
Yeah I read his comments like that as well – their marriage is falling apart and at the moment they are barely keeping it together in public. I think there are 4 in that marriage – Carole and the Rose bush!
100% agree. You have to read between the lines with Brit gossip.
I agree too. And it couldn’t come in a worse time for Kate and her family. She must be walking on broken eggs. Of course if they fall apart, she will have a nice settlement. Still….
Yeah it doesn’t strike a good tone does it? They will model themselves on the couple with a disastrous marriage that went up in flames, with one of the couple dying at age 36. Sounds great Jobson!
I wonder if this is low key trolling. Like, they are set to be the next Charles and Diana in more ways than one, you know?
But at face value, like Kaiser said….its obviously laughable. Kate just doesn’t have the star power and charisma that Diana has. And I don’t mean that as harshly as it sounds, believe it or not. Not many people have what Diana had. You cant teach it.
If he just means that they are going to become international figures and on tour a lot like Diana and Charles were in the 80s – I think we all know that’s not going to happen. Like Kaiser said, Pakistan was a success mainly for all the ways it differed from their previous tours – no gaffes, fashion or otherwise, no escaping for a night for private time, etc. If I’m remembering correctly, that was their first overseas trip since their visit to Sweden/Norway in early 2018. Of course Kate had a baby shortly after that, but even so, there was a large gap in between. Their interest definitely does not lie in another mega tour like their Australia/New Zealand tour, and I don’t think we are ever going to see them do a tour like H&M’s Oceania tour.
All that said…..this is more or less what we hear every year. They’re soft power diplomats, they’re going to save the UK economy post-Brexit, they’re so keen to get started, etc. At this point, 9 years into their marriage, the RRs just sound silly.
Yes, Becks1. Every year, the same keen-ness to get started and become something. For those who want the monarchy to modernize, the Cambridges are, um, not the ones you’re looking for. If William could get over himself, he could work with and emulate his brother in terms of acting like it’s 2020 and not 1950.
You’re right in that Kate doesn’t have Diana’s charisma. She could be brought into this century though in terms of using her voice and position better. But I’m not sure that’s what she wants.
I don’t think they’re like Charles and Diana— on the charisma/star quality side nor the messy public feud/divorce side either. I’m sure Jobson was trying to imply they’re the same cause cheating but W cheated on her while they were dating and W is probably still cheating on her and Kate will continue to take it bc that’s what she’s done for over 10 years. Neither have the work ethic or the ability to connect with people like Charles and Di. He was trying to be shady but he’s wrong on all fronts imo.
I don’t get the Charles and Diana feeling either. You could tell Charles cheating really hurt Diana, she struggled to get that marriage on track, even in the interviews, yes at some point Diana realized it wasn’t going to work and gave up, cheated herself and all hell broke loose. Kate doesn’t seem as hurt by it, it’s almost like she expects it, that shrug was of anger but not so much sadness (she was smiling the whole time). Diana wanted a happy marriage first and foremost, than the title and everything that comes with being with a prince. Kate wanted the ring and the title and Diana’s son, not so much William. But yes what William is doing is wrong, if he wants to be with another woman he should divorce and do it respectfully, even if your wife doesn’t mind being dragged through the mud, have some integrity for yourself.
so true. diana only wants charles love. Thats why she cant stand when he cheats her and hurt by that she rat him out in the press. For kate its title and tiara, she doesnt care about william wandering eyes. he was like that in his dating days, most self respected woman will leave the man who treated them like shit, instead kate waited for the ring. that’s why she wont divorce him, she will turn blind eye as long as she has palace, title and crown jewelry.
And allow me to add that: either the cheating is becoming more serious, or Kate is reaching the limit of her blind eye. I said before and I believe it: even a material girl has her limits. I don’t deny I really think she was after the big prize; the enormity of the reward blinded her for everything else, but what is going on closed doors might be too much for her to bear.
all these Cambridge fluff stories, particularly the ones that keep pushing the whole monarch thing, is going to backfire big time because the fact there even is a monarchy rubs many people the wrong way but for a royal couple to go out of their way to continuously remind people inequality exists and they will ‘destined’ to be King and Queen in 2020, is galling.
The reason a monarchy still exists in Britain, is because Buckingham Palace/Clarence House works hard at keeping the Queen and Prince Charles’ duties consistent but also keeps her almost invisible in terms of attention so ordinary people who are struggling in life are not constantly reminded they are funding this huge mediocre family who are sitting on stolen wealth.
The reason Meghan has attracted so much attention, outside the space of royal watchers, for this long, is because the Palace PR don’t let her be. if they just waited for the Meghan-mania to die out after the royal wedding and baby, things would have been different. Now, for the last couple of months it’s clear Meghan has utilised the large amount of international press and the royal family are stuck with this constant overshadowing. That’s what happens when you spend so much energy protecting the sex offender in the family and attacking the new mum when the whole world is watching.
@lily – Your second paragraph was a CRACKER.
I also think the Palace Courtiers should just have waited out the Meg-Mania. Now they have created a beast of a RF superstar, bc people will always identify with the underdog, especially when there are dog-whistles of racism, sexism and classism.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again… misoginoir will be the undoing of the RF. If people continue to see the treatment Meghan is subject to, it will undermine the institution of Monarchy.
Well l think your third paragraph hits the nail on the head. The Palace over reacted to the surge of Meghan mania which peaked during the Australian tour, and started to panic over the popularity of the enigmatic Sussexes compared to the dull Cambridge’s, the future King and Queen.
Princess Margaret was far more popular than her sister for many years and got the lion share of coverage. A pity the Cambridge’s couldn’t deal with their jealousy in a better way and ignore their fears about the Court of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex.
+1
I completely agree! I think the Queen would have preferred quieter royals as well, especially as a cover up to the disparity issue. After that whole Diana and Charles craze, the Queen was hoping W&K would be less glam maybe follow in her footsteps, but all these cheating rumours, handy andy and sister and law jealousy these ones are worse. You go to the checkout at any supermarket and their are 10 magazines with them on the cover. W&K might love this celebrity but this just keeps republicans more focused lol.
I do not believe there is any jealousy between Meghan and Katherine. I think all the jealousy and problems are between Bill & Harry.
I think there has to be some. People react more emotionally and in a heartfelt way with Meghan – undoubtedly Kate has noticed. Why would we be getting THIS many stories about how she’s the light of the monarchy and the Queen admires her so much? Partially Rose, partially Meghan.
Kate benefits too much from the Meghan dragging to be innocent, especially in light of all the massive pro-Kate, pro-Middleton PR in the past few years. Carole’s interviews, James as depressed because his Nazi marshmallow company failed, etc.
Lilly: Your last paraghaph is wisdom beyond the reach of BP/KP. The anxiety to smash the outsider is so overwhelming that they through the most common sense to the mills.
Why would the Sussexes spend more time in the US? Why are the media so anxious to move them from the UK? It seems the UK is big enough for W&K and C&C and Edward & Sophie and Anne, even Andrew when he was doing royal duties, but there isnt enough room for the Sussexes? It seems strange to me the media keeps pushing this angle.
The British media want the Sussexes to go away so the lawsuit will go away. The lawsuit will basically put shady RRs and media figures on trial for their methods and a Sussex win in court could lead to changes on how to do business, especially if mandated by legislation.
The Sussex lawsuit will also expose the nasty relationship between the Royal Households and the UK tabloid press – someone has been feeding them the stories about Meghan and Harry. Its not just the Cambridges.
Right @Tai? That’s why I said, non RR continuously suggesting the “oh the Sussexes should move to this or that country where they’ll be better off or happier or whatever” is becoming infuriating. The Sussexes, like all other BRF members, are British; they have a right to live in their country like every other BRF member, and they should stay and live in Britain where they belong. The racist RR are not pushing this “they should leave” agenda just because of the lawsuit, this narrative started way before Meghan ever sued them; remember the rumors about William wanting them banished to Africa? They just want the biracial duchess to leave their country and take her biracial baby and race traitor husband with her. So, no, the RRR and KP and William have wanted Harry and his black wife and black child gone for a long time. It has nothing to do with the lawsuits.
Oh, and the Cambridges can only wish they ever have the charisma or work ethic both Prince Charles and Diana have/had in their pinkies. Such a dull as dishwasher couple.
Agreed. Accurate on the facts.
That sitting down photo is horrible – it’s like she’s saying “Rose’s arse is thiiiis big!”
LOL!
LOL! Thank you for that laugh!
Robert Jobson lives in a make believe World, he need to stop getting second and third servings of food.
Charisma, you have it or you don’t, most of the World don’t believe in fairytales.
Kate is so boring, she broke the internet by wearing a Fedora. 😀
Did she really?
There is a star couple in the RF now and it isn’t William and Kate. This article reads to me as a reminder of who the important couple is and the impact they will have as “their role evolves.” Another example of KP using the media to put the focus on William and Kate because William and Kate are too lazy and inept to do it themselves.
Her pictures are always so photoshopped. Or whatever you call it, where they smooth out wrinkles.
I know right, they don’t even look like her. A few days ago she was jowly and accordian lines now with the sweep of a brush smoother and slimmer.
Not to dredge up the Mary Berry Christmas special, but do you recall when Kate said William used to make dinner for her at university back “when he was trying to impress me.” IDK, I thought that comment landed kind of hard. She seemed pissed.
I personally think that was a choreographed comment which was supposed to endear us to them as a couple. I honestly can’t see William ever doing something like that for Kate, this is the man who walks ahead of her sometimes and forgets she is there…
those are well scripted pr move by kp. they are pushing hard as happy family and referring to diana and charles is bad. they are not their level of work ethics or popularity. even you can count the number of people who are kate stan. Most of kp ig is russian bots and stupid immature fan accounts. they are pushing them on world stage and their pr is obvious with these bullshit. I think in summer the affair is going to break , now kp is in panic mode to push happy family.
Oh no, but haven’t you noticed since Rosegate William is now pushing Kate to go ahead and shake hands first and putting his hand in the small of her back …..🙄.
William is really copying Harry.
Charles and Diana hated each other.
No, they did not. At some stages their relationship was bitter in the extreme but l believe that the only man Diana loved and wanted to worship her was Charles the father of her children , so many of her inner circle have said this. I am still hoping that when the time is right Charles, who has not said a word since her death, will acknowledge his regrets and mistakes and with his sons by his side pay tribute to her.
Diana targeted the one man in the UK she thought could not legally divorce her. Her sister’s ex-boyfriend. She lied and pretended to be a country-loving girl who was everything Charles could want. He never knew the real her, and she wasn’t intellectual enough to know the real him.
Diana didn’t love Charles the man, she loved the idea of Charles and the idea of being Princess of Wales. A Barbara Cartland romance that ends at the wedding ceremony, with neither Charles nor Diana knowing what it took to keep a marriage working. That plus Charles being pressured into the marriage by the press, petty Arthur Edwards included. Philip ordered him to marry Diana or cut her off, Charles chose to marry her. He loved the idea of her, she loved the idea of him. They were never meant to be, were never going to last no matter what outside influences there were.
I think this is unfair. Diana was 19 and Charles in his 30’s. She dealt with the trauma of a very horribly broken family and wanted stability. Most of us who deal with issues like that in our family life seek stability at that age without knowing how toxic our own habits have become. I think towards the end of her life she was better suited to face them.
Also, I think she went with Charles to the country before their marriage because he asked her, not because she was scheming. Apparently much of their courtship was by phone, on his initiative.
Right, Diana had major problems, but this is harsh. She was a teenager for heavens sakes – and not a particularly bright one either!
I don’t fancy them but I still don’t see them divorcing. I can’t imagine Kate walking away cos she’s in too deep. Maybe William has to be the one to walk away but I think he is too passive to pursue anything else beyond shallow affairs.
+1, I don’t see them divorcing either.
I was taken aback by the article because obviously they aren’t talking about a love story because that would be Charles and Camilla. I can’t for the life of me figure out what he means and what Camilla must think of this bizarre comparison. The public is being sold some fiction.
Charles and Camilla is not really a huge love story, more like friends with benefits.
diana loves charles, charles love camilla and camilla love her ex hubby.
I think Charles dearly loves Camilla but I do not think Camilla feels the exact same about Charles. However, Camilla has made Charles extremely happy and I applaud her for that.
Camilla knows how to handle Charles and knows how to make him happy. She didn’t want to marry him the first time around or the second, but she loves him and is content in the role now.
See this is a story that interests me. I strongly believe that they were madly in love with each other. I believe that Camilla was not royal marriage material at the time and they both knew it so she moved on. I am sure if Charles had proposed back then she would have 100% chosen to. The spark never went out of their relationship. Those who say she loved Andrew, If she loved Andrew why did she cheat on him because for sure she was emotionally cheating on him with Charles while he was with Diana.
Interesting how time changes things. Edward VIII abdicated to marry a divorce but Charles won’t have to do that.
Andrew Parker Bowles was that set’s most eligible bachelor at the time and Camilla wanted him, not Charles. He was Camilla’s first love and they had been dating for years before she even met Charles.
I’m sure Camilla loves Charles, but just because she and Andrew both cheated during their marriage doesn’t mean they didn’t love each other. It’s just what that set does. Andrew quite cheerfully acknowledged Camilla and Charles were back together, during his marriage to Camilla but before Diana. It was only when it came out in public with so much scandal that it embarrassed him. He later married his mistress Rosemary Pitman – by all accounts there was no animosity between her and Camilla.
Charles cheated with more than one person, too. Camilla was not his main mistress while he was married to Diana and he claimed Kanga Tryon was the only woman who had ever truly understood him.
One of Charles’ many side pieces during the Diana days was a Smith Lawn “Polo Toff” Set person named Eva O’Neil.
Eva O’Neil is the mother of Chris O’Neil who is married to HRH Princess Madeleine of Sweden.
@BayTampaBay, now THAT is a juicy tidbit that I was not aware of. Wow. Also, I have a mega-crush on Chris O’Neil. I find him devastatingly handsome.
@L84Tea, You need to get your hands on all three of Lady Colin Campbell’s books on the BRF. There are so many good tidbits if you can add 1+1 and get 11 with regards to BRF as all members of the CB commentariat can easily do.
That set has its own set of rules. Marriages are economic and social decisions and not necessarily about love.
Dee, you are so correct.
I agree. Their marriages are business arrangements. And they all cheat — Charles cheated on Diana, Diana cheated on Charles, Camilla cheated on Andrew, Andrew cheated on Camilla, Philip cheated on Elizabeth, William cheated on Kate, Ann cheated on Mark, etc., etc.
Kate isn’t like Diana at all. She seems very cold where Diana was warm and put herself out there for charity.
Diana was the one who got the short end of the stick when she married Charles. They could have saved themselves and Diana years of grief by letting him marry who he wanted to marry in the first place.
Unfortunately Camilla didn’t want to marry him the first time around.
so true. its a cruse to be born in that family. No one wants to marry you for your character. prince philip doesn’t want to marry queen but his uncle dickie pushed him because basically he is homeless and country less. camilla doesn’t want to marry charles, chelsea doesn’t want harry, jecca doesn’t want william. what a sad life.
Harry never proposed to Chelsey so there’s no “Chelsey didn’t want to marry Harry”. And William never proposed to Jecca either so….
I believe Harry probably discussed marriage with Chelsy (not necessarily proposing per se) but she hated the invasive media attention and in any case there was a lot of pushback against the idea of him marrying her (the possible links of her father with Mugabe etc etc).
William and Jecca had their “pretend engagement” and she was at the seat of honor next to him at his 21st bday (Kate wasn’t even at the same table although they were supposedly dating) but I think on her end it has never been anything but feelings of close friendship – however, I think if he thought she was going to say yes, he would have asked her. It didn’t stop him from ditching Kate to go to her brother’s wedding during the first meeting of Kate with the Queen or ditching George’s first vacation to go hunting with Jecca.
@Maria, Did William propose to Isabella Anstruther-Gough-Calthorpe Branson?
Bay- I believe William had had a crush on Isabella Branson since before he ever met Kate and she was one of the reasons for his and Kate’s 2007 split – Prince Charles and Will’s friends approved of her too and encouraged him then (although I’m reading that he also tried to date her when he and Kate broke up in 2005 – they really did split up a lot!) But I don’t think Isabella was ever interested enough in William for him to really propose. I really think she has only ever been truly interested in Sam Branson. Similarly with Cressida, who I think really only dated Harry when she was on the outs with Harry Wentworth-Stanley and preferred him to Prince Harry.
@Maria, BOTH Chelsey and Cressida took Harry back multiple of times during their multiple breakups and makeups throughout their relationships. All while the press never let up on hounding, criticising and bullying the girls non stop. They still would get back with Harry and stay in the spotlight without a care. These excuses that the relationships failed because the girls couldn’t handle the spotlight are just excuses. Harry never proposed to any of them and therefore can’t say he was rejected by any of them. Personally, I believe they all were young and immature and none wanted to commit to setting down with the other. I think at some point they realized that they probably loved each other but were never in love with each other so they broke up..
And I strongly believe Harry and Cressida last breakup was because Harry had already checked out of that relationship and Cressida just got tired of trying.
@BabsORIG, I see where you are coming from as Harry and Cressida parted company just days before the Pelly-Holiday Inn Heiress wedding in Miami, Florida.
All you say makes total sense. However, I always felt Harry had stronger feelings for Chelsey than Cressida.
The shade of it all.
Before reading the article, I assumed he was talking about C&D’s marriage breakdown and divorce. To see he’s trying to equate them to their international standing, I don’t see it. Neither William nor Kate has the charisma or work ethics of Charles and Diana. If he’s trolling the Cambridges by hinting at their marriage troubles, then bravo. Kate is no Diana, though. She’ll stay in that marriage to the bitter end. She’s getting that crown.
The crown why? Doesn’t mean anything if you don’t put meaning to it.
Have you not been paying attention all these years? Kate and Carole have worked like dogs for that crown. No way are they going anywhere without it.
The British press is really kissing the Cambridge’s asses that’s for sure
I feel like it will come to bite them though. Don’t trust the media.
Go to YouTube and watch the very young and newly married Princess Diana giving a speech in Welsh. This is the kind of “early years” magic Jobson is referring to that Kate, married for almost a decade and 38 years old, can never replicate. It’s the endearing vulnerability of Diana that made everyone fall in love with her. Carole was there then and knows what that adoration was like but Kate must have no idea why she doesn’t generate the same reaction with her halting little shy stumbling speeches.
But watch Harry bring his pregnant wife onstage and the crowd going wild to see Meghan and you know why they are all so threatened. Meghan strikes a reaction that reminds them of Di and it is worrisome for Carole/Will/Kate.
I completely agree with this. Meghan has charisma that Kate does not have and is probably the closest to being like Diana, except for Harry himself. The reaction of the crowd during the Oceania tour shook up a few people in the UK establishment and the tour wasn’t even over before dumb stories like tiara gate and making Kate cry came out in the tabloids. Courtesy of Jobbo of course.
Meghan likes to be around people, poor or rich, doesn’t matter. She interacts with them much the same as Diana because both of them like what they do. The difference between Kate and Diana is authenticity. Lady Di gave herself to what she was doing, Kate is doing only because it has to be done. After it finishes: done! Next! If you have doubts, watch the videos of Diana’s events and the ones attended by Kate. Warmth of heart is impossible to fake.
Because Charles and Diana are the gold standard for royal couples. Actually, I think they WILL become the modern Charles and Diana, unfortunately.
Comparing any couple to Charles and Diana isn’t a good idea.
If he was trying to equate them in terms of star power then Jobson can do that without mentioning Charles and/or Diana. Or just say Diana only.
This comparison definitely reads like shade (right down to “successful early days”) and it’s about as well-disguised as the “platonic suppers” and “Rose entertained William *as a friend*” comments. The Brit media will never come out and say what it means for obvious reasons, but getting little jabs and insinuations in is a classic tactic.
You just get the feeling something is roiling under the surface with these people. As my Mom would say, “what’s done in the darkness will surely come to light.”
We’re seeing the cracks in the facade. The next few years should be very, very interesting.
Don’t get me wrong, I want them to be happy, as they can be in this situation, but I have a feeling they’ve got some stuff to sort through first.
I don’t think Kate wants to be Diana. Diana was fun to read about, but I don’t think anybody wanted her heartbreak in life. Yeah, she was famous beyond comprehension, but it’s clear both William and Harry thought she had a somewhat tragic existence which they’re both trying to shield their families from. By the middle of their marriage they were both flying solo on engagements, so I don’t think either Kate or William want to be them. Both William and Harry seem to be trying for partnerships and the complete opposite of what their parents had.
I don’t think this guy was intentionally shading anyone. But I do think he may have pulled out Charles and Diana’s names because it sells papers. No one really wants to read about Charles and Camilla (even though they likely have the better marriage/partnership). Stick Diana’s name in anything, and even now it sells.
I do find it amusing that Diana still overshadows Camilla though. I like that.
One of the many things I like about Camilla–and there quite a few things–is that she never has wanted to overshadow Diana. She certainly is not trying to now either. While I’m sure many people would love to see Camilla try hard to be Diana-like and fail at it, old Cams isn’t playing that game.
I don’t think she’s trying to overshadow Diana either. Camilla knows who she is. I don’t doubt that. At the same time, I don’t think anybody else wants to be Diana either in terms of fame and attention and unhappiness. Diana was a great person, but I don’t think anybody actually wants her life (including Kate and Meghan). People like to admire Diana (most of us are guilty of this) — I think that’s different from wanting to have her life.
Anyway, I think Diana’s name sells paper and that’s why it was brought up, not because anybody wants to diss Kate, William or Charles. If they had said Kate and William want to be like Charles and Camilla, everybody would be going snooze (even though they likely have a partnership that works out better for a tradition-bound institution like the monarchy. Camilla doesn’t rock the boat. She lives quiety and supports the Future King).
@L84Tea I think that’s what I like that about Camilla too. She’s alawys kept her distance from trying to replace Diana. I think if Di were alive she would have appreciated it and probably would’ve gotten along by now.
Was the tour that successful? I barely remember it, but then again, I try to block out most of 2019…
Kate does not have a charismatic bone in her body. She´ll always be a B-list royal: boring, bland and blah. She never inspired or charmed, she is just a middle class wife promoted through the efforts of an arrivist mother into the arms of a lazy egomaniac royal. Diana, with all her faults (and she was a ninny, obviously) had charisma and charm.
And Charles is a more interesting character than William… but than who is not? I really believe Charles will be the last king of England.
Why do they keep trying to make the Cambridge’s something they are clearly not. They’re not game changers or super dynamic, but they are pleasant in public, look nice, and do the right things. No one who really likes them wants or expects them to step up on the world stage and be global, or international, beyond a few goodwill dress up Commonwealth tours. Their little Englander and monarchist fan base likes them focusing on Britain, gardens, rugby and shaking hands and smiling. And that goes a long way for them- they just need to double their numbers. Those little Englanders who love them don’t care about William tackling climate change or Kate empowering girls in Nepal. They say they’re preparing for future kingship but not really. They just want fawning press and glamorous events, while not putting in the actual work and throwing others under the bus.
Do you think William realizes that the whole “royal” thing is not going to last, so why put in the effort?
I feel like if that were the case, he’d have put more effort into a career. Which he didn’t.
This is what I’ve always thought. That William sees he’ll never wear the crown so why bother? I also feel they don’t want that for George.
This…does not and should not read like a complement.
You know, Kate’s way of getting along with the aristo set and the RF really has been to wait it out. However, that strategy doesn’t work anymore because she’s got to actually do something to play the long game. For example, you can’t “wait out” the Rose Bush issue. What she needed to do, was have a private lunch with the Rose Bush, politely ask her not to play in her face and use some discretion. Where Megan is concerned, what she needed to do was to publicly show support and then dine out on good press that would come from somewhere other than the establishment. When you “wait it out” you have to have the stamina to grin and bear it, and I think Kate is very tired. Regardless of the “good press” the strain is beginning to show. Kate has never had to learn the lesson that while some might not accept you, they can respect you. Why do people respect you?? Because of what you do and how you do it-and you don’t have to be loud or attention seeking while doing it. And if they respect you, THAT is when you have something.
Well, that was all very predictable.
This reads like an article written at the beginning of their marriage lol, NOT as a reminder how they’re going to be super keen and the royal IT couple. And we’re using the word evolve? Haha. They’re not that great now, but just you wait!
Is this the next stage for kate of cosplaying Diana?! I dont think she’ll like how it ended for them!!(divorce)
This embiggening campaign is so sad to watch! Their staff must be so stressed with coming up with charades to cover their failures & lack of accomplishments. No wonder C.Quinn quit after just 2yrs! That women was mislead as the public with false promises of picking up work and how it was “the making of a future queen”!!! At end she went without making any accomplishments except getting kate to do a garden project🤭
Forget this “new look” Charles and Diana nonsense. IMO the Cambridges seem to have come to an agreement. What it is, is anybody`s guess but I would say it favours William. William has for the last few months appeared less tense and his clenched jaw when with Kate appears to be just an occasional thing. On the other hand Kate appears tired and emotionally drained. Maybe Kate, so long as she continues to be “quietly dignified” has been promised the QC title whatever happens, while William has gotten the “flexibility to see the kids whenever he can seeing he is so busy.”
Interestingly enough at the time of their marriage announcement, somebody who claimed to be in the know wrote that the agreement was that the couple will have kids then quietly uncouple. However this same person claimed that the reason for the uncoupling was that there was a preference for rhododendrons not roses. Nobody took the person seriously.
These two are such a drag.
What team Cambridge people fail to remember is that when it was announced that Charles was getting married Diana took the world by storm. It was totally unexpected but we kept wanting more and more of Diana. It’s the same with Harry and Meghan. They don’t try; they just do … and are more interesting and attractive than W & K.
Who would you rather have at your party? I’d pick M & H anytime. K & W? They’d be insufferable and keep saying they would have a big announcement soon … and the press would say how keen K is … and she’s just a big blah …
Wonder if kate ( or Carole) leaked it. Keep running around Billy Boy and see who you end up like. For a while there Charles was one of the most hated people in the world. Maybe she’s trying to rein him back in.
Considering C&D were far from a love match, never belonged together and ended tragically — this is the ideal?