The Sundance Film Festival starts soon, which is why several trade papers have put Sundance previews on their most recent covers. The Hollywood Reporter’s new cover story: Hillary Clinton and her four-part Hulu series Hillary, which premieres at Sundance. Obviously, the docu-series is about Hillary’s life and work and many controversies and campaigns. The director says that she (and Hillary) would have loved to have more on-camera interviews with some of Hillary’s biggest detractors, but all of them turned it down. Which just shows you that most of these people don’t actually give a sh-t about anything they’re saying. The director also says that Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders were NOT asked for interviews, because (I’m paraphrasing) who needs to relitigate sh-t with these old dudes? That being said, Hillary talks sh-t, because of course she does. Hillary SNAPPED. You can read the full piece here. I’m just going to excerpt the Bernie Sanders part, because that’s the part everyone was discussing:
THR: In the doc, you’re brutally honest on Sanders: “He was in Congress for years. He had one senator support him. Nobody likes him, nobody wants to work with him, he got nothing done. He was a career politician. It’s all just baloney and I feel so bad that people got sucked into it.” That assessment still hold?
HRC: Yes, it does.THR: If he gets the nomination, will you endorse and campaign for him?
HRC: I’m not going to go there yet. We’re still in a very vigorous primary season. I will say, however, that it’s not only him, it’s the culture around him. It’s his leadership team. It’s his prominent supporters. It’s his online Bernie Bros and their relentless attacks on lots of his competitors, particularly the women. And I really hope people are paying attention to that because it should be worrisome that he has permitted this culture — not only permitted, [he] seems to really be very much supporting it. And I don’t think we want to go down that road again where you campaign by insult and attack and maybe you try to get some distance from it, but you either don’t know what your campaign and supporters are doing or you’re just giving them a wink and you want them to go after Kamala [Harris] or after Elizabeth [Warren]. I think that that’s a pattern that people should take into account when they make their decisions.THR: Speaking of, he allegedly told Sen. Elizabeth Warren in 2018 that he didn’t think a woman could win, a statement he vigorously denies. How did you digest that?
HRC: Well, number one, I think [that sentiment] is untrue, which we should all say loudly. I mean, I did get more votes both in the primary, by about 4 million, and in the general election, by about 3 million. I think that both the press and the public have to really hold everybody running accountable for what they say and what their campaign says and does. That’s particularly true with what’s going on right now with the Bernie campaign having gone after Elizabeth with a very personal attack on her. Then this argument about whether or not or when he did or didn’t say that a woman couldn’t be elected, it’s part of a pattern. If it were a one-off, you might say, “OK, fine.” But he said I was unqualified. I had a lot more experience than he did, and got a lot more done than he had, but that was his attack on me. I just think people need to pay attention because we want, hopefully, to elect a president who’s going to try to bring us together, and not either turn a blind eye, or actually reward the kind of insulting, attacking, demeaning, degrading behavior that we’ve seen from this current administration.
Hillary has had enough of Bernie Sanders’ bullsh-t and I have to say ME TOO. I’ve been over that old fart since 2016 and his toxic bros have only gotten worse since then. I feel like this is Hillary’s strategy now – she’s not going to run for anything ever again, so she gets to sit on the sidelines as a Democratic elder and say “actually, this is how it really f–king is.” She did that with Tulsi Gabbard too. And yes, I saw all of the Bernie bros and Russian bots attacking Hillary for spilling the toxic-bro tea to THR yesterday. It’s almost like… they’re too stupid to understand that they’re making her case.
With four-part Hulu series 'Hillary' set to premiere at #Sundance, @HillaryClinton opens up about Monica Lewinsky, her marriage, whether a woman can win the presidency and her not-so-fuzzy feelings about Bernie Sanders https://t.co/FmWjVRtjnN pic.twitter.com/RI7ybu8yQf
— The Hollywood Reporter (@THR) January 21, 2020
"The Clintons have a reputation for being controlling, but from the moment we met Hillary, we saw zero of it." Nanette Burstein opens up about her experience directing #HillaryClinton‘s Hulu documentary https://t.co/9bv3LJKl0O pic.twitter.com/SEPu7vQGNm
— The Hollywood Reporter (@THR) January 21, 2020
Cover and photos courtesy of THR.
Good for her. And I agree with her re Bernie encouraging a toxic culture. I’m really worried about him winning the nomination.
I agree. I’m so glad she’s speaking up.
Unfortunately, a lot of his Bernie Bros are nuts and will probably not get better! Thankfully, she didn’t wait until he was our nominee. Hopefully, people on the fence will listen to her. We still have a chance to pick someone more qualified and not so polarizing!
Goodness, I’m hoping Michael Bennet for the surprise dark horse. He got James Carville’s endorsement last week. He’s incredibly invested and interested in the kids of this nation, and I have kept an eye on him since his takedown of Ted Cruz on Cspan. I feel he would win thepresidency if voters gave him a second, sincere look.
He does encourage it. I mean, the very best case scenario is that he doesn’t discourage it, and that’s still not good.
I do worry though that this is just going to excite his bros even more. A lot of them already hate HRC, so this might do the opposite of what she’s hoping it will. Fingers crossed that won’t be the case, but even if it is, I don’t actually blame HER for it.
Bernie Bros behavior on Twitter is shameful, especially towards black women. Black women are the true base of the Democratic Party and Sanders supporters are doing their best to drive them away.
He attracts a liberal bro culture and they were hugely part of the crazy tribe that refused to vote for Hillary. If you read any of their comments in the last election they were walking hand in hand with the red hat bris. Bernie said nothing about them and just let them control the narrative of no Hillary even after he lost. He very much encouraged them.
She’s right, he has no record to speak of.
Absolutely nothing. Wait that is unfair of me. In the decades he has been in office he did name 2 post offices. He is everything she said he is. There are 2 videos in the last 3 days that show him 1. Dismissing Steyer & 2. Shoving him out of the way. He is a NASTY piece of work & is in large Part responsible for why we are saddled with the maniacal child in the oval.
If he gets the nomination, which I don’t believe he will, it will be 4 more years of Trump & The country is doomed. Bernie is not electable on a national scale. He has a lot of awful crap hidden in his closet & if Everyone hadn’t spent so much time tearing Hilary to shreds in 2016 they might’ve vetted him properly and he would not be a viable candidate today.
He and his wife are grifters of a professional level
I’m worried about Bernie winning the nomination, but I’m also worried about him NOT winning the nomination. The Bernie bros are volatile. They’d rather see four more years of Trump than anyone else as President. So while everyone frantically tries to call for unity among the Democrats, the bros are ready to blow it all up. Their intimidation on Twitter is unreal. It’s scary af.
And I say this as someone who just campaigned for Bernie over the weekend. Not because I’m a supporter but because I was chaperoning a group of high schoolers who are learning about elections. I understand wanting to win, but their utter unwillingness to entertain any other outcome but Bernie as the nominees is seriously worrying.
I don’t think the Bernie Bros will affect the election. Even in Clinton V trumpy, that came down to two unexpected states and tens of thousands of votes. Other factors like how it was critical that the black vote did not show up in states like NC. The bricks added up, BUT Hilary technically had the popular vote, despite the Bernie Stans and Jill Stein vote wasters.
I think the Democrat nomination would depend on the black vote, and the general election will come down to the suburban womens vote. Bernie scares anyone over 35 with a brain and life experience, and that group is a hella lot larger than all the Bernie Bros put together
@Annaloo – the Bernie Bros failed to turn up in critical states – about a third of them didn’t vote for Hillary. Their salt is partially at fault for Trump.
My biggest complaint about Sanders is that he is NOT a democrat. He just “uses” the party during presidential elections because his own, true, party will never win an election. I disliked Tulsi Gabbard for the same reason — she is a republican who ran as a democrat because the state she’s from (Hawaii) does not elect republicans. These two are not democrats, they just lie and pretend during an election.
Miss. Krabapple is completely correct!!
Is Bernie worse than trump for women ? Cmon peeps – He was an ass to Hillary but nothing is worse than donny
Kamala is out….so the gloves are off….
Payback..is a cruel….bitter…VENGEFUL…….
Kamala being out HAS changed the dynamic.. and, I would prefer anyone else on the slate over Bernie ( I pass on another screaming old white guy) but damn sure I am voting for whomever runs against Trump.
Perhaps Kamala should’ve had her gloves off when Tulsi gave her that ass whopping.
She is 100% right. Bernie has no ability to get anything done. He’s been a politician for decades and has almost no accomplishments to show for it ( except starting a cult of personality that helped Trump get elected)
Sad, but true. He just polarizes people.
Agreed. that was something I kept yelling during the 2016 primary. He was a senator for decades! He wasn’t an outsider! He wasn’t powerless! he could have done a lot of the stuff he was talking about. he didn’t. And his followers are the worst.
I loved Bernie and love how he attacks Trump without backing down or hedging. He is the only candidate that can take on Liz Cheney with a few words, even the press are afraid of her. However, I *hate* a good portion of his toxic internet (and sometimes real life) fans. My only correction to HRC is that his base is both men and women-young and just vicious.
If and when Bernie wins, they will soon call him a sellout because he won’t be able to be as “pure” as they expect him to be. He would have to be a dictator like Trump to get his policies pass the congress.
Bernie voted against Russian sanctions….which Trump also want to get rid of….so how does Bernie go after Trump again? Cause I see so many folks caping for Bernie…based on what he’s SAID…and TOTALLY discounting how Bernie’s “words” CONSTANTLY belies Bernie’s “actions”
You have to read the whole bill. The Russian sanctions bill also included further sanctions of Iran when they were in fact following the nuclear pact (this is before Trump pulled out of the deal). He thought these sanctions against Iran will open the door for war with Iran and he was right. These compromise bills are always poison pills.
But one to one debate Bernie has some great one-liners against Trump. His only reply
Is “welll you’re a socialist”. Bernie hits Trump at his weak points: his corruption and shady money, the fact that he has failed at everything he does. The DNC goes after how bad of a person Trump is, his voters like his rotten nature, but they believe the hype that Trump is a billionaire and self-made. His taxes are the only thing Trump will fight to the death to protect. His finances are his Achilles heel but the DNC chooses to attack his character instead which only us Dems care about.
I can’t stand Bernie. His followers are the worst and worship him like a God. And the fact that he’s 78 and recently had a heart attack, and somehow no one is talking about this, is really weird to me.
However, I will vote for him if he is the nominee. And while I agree with what Hillary said, I have no interest in reliving 2016 again.
He won’t get the nomination and by some chance if he does, he won’t win. He’s loathsome.
Yes if he’s the nominee I’ll vote for him but I sure as hell hope he’s not.
Bernie leaves my nerves with a combination of feeling frayed to the point of breakage, and feeling fiery with the desire to just slap him and his Bernie bro’s. He really does make me feel a little violent. I’d love to duct tape his arms down so that he couldn’t wave them all around while overusing his pointer fingers. I’m hoping that Michael Bennett comes on strong.
I’ll hold my nose and vote for him IF he’s the nominee in November, especially voting in a key swing state like Wisconsin. After 2016, I don’t see myself as having the privilege and choice to either vote third party, like I did in 2006 in Illinois when I voted for the Green Party gubernatorial candidate instead of Rod Blagojevich, or a write in vote, which I did in South Dakota a couple times.
The heart attack and response by the media makes me range. Hilary left the September 11th memorial (after being there for 90 minutes) when she started to feel overheated and unwell. She was later diagnosed with pneumonia. Lady had a FEVER. The Washington Post’s headline: “Hilary Clinton’s Health just Became a Real Issue in the Presidential Campaign”. Bernie has had to deal with nowhere near the constant conspiracy theories and questions about his health as Clinton did, and the man is 10 years older and just had a freaking heart attack.
The fact that so many Democratic voters seem to believe that a guy who has not achieved anything substantial, legislation-wise, despite being in Congress since 1991, will be able to bring about the largest, most comprehensive change to the healthcare system is mind-blowing.
Add to that that Sanders speaks about the GOP base, the much-talked-about white working class voter, with more respect and kindness that the party he wants to represent in a presidential election… Well.
I will not be voting for Bernie Sanders in the primary.
And his followers frighten me.
Same here. There’s too much ‘trumpy’ about him…i recall how he did the they’re all against me whine about the dems and press 4 years ago, has always been convinced his was the only way, and evidently his robocalls in Iowa contain plain lies about opponents, mostly Warren and Biden. Nope.
Ditto. I knew a few in 2016, and they are not present in my life any more. Don’t trust any cult leader, people.
“Nobody likes him.” Rather a mean-girl way to put it, especially by one who has lamented that people unfairly find her unlikeable (lol at a 2007 debate when Obama said to her, “You’re likeable enough.”)
And given the people who Secretary Clinton has liked, lmaybe that’s not a bad thing. She doesn’t seem to be the best judge of character.
I would not be surprised if Sanders raised a boatload of money yesterday because of this.
I remember that – it’s funny, for all the talk about the 2016 primaries, the Hillary/Obama primaries were way more nasty.
The stakes weren’t as high in 2008. We knew a Democrat was getting the office after eight years of senseless war in the Middle East. People forgot just how dangerous the current Republican party really was in the four year break before they retook Congress entirely.
Lol I remember her explaining why she was staying in the race in spring 2008 even though Obama had gotten enough delegates because “Robert Kennedy was assassinated in June of the election year.” Very likeable. And her people circulating a photo of a young Obama at a madrassa was also very likeable too.
And no, it was not a foregone conclusion that a Democrat would win that race. McCain ran very close until he dropped the ball during the financial crisis and picked a certifiable moron as a running mate.
Yeah, nothing in my comment disputing it was an ugly campaign nor even remotely arguing that she’s a saint, so I’m not sure who you’re arguing with there? My point is that the stakes in 2008 to most people weren’t, “McCain getting into office might be the end of American democracy as we know it.” Hugely different emotional climate for most people.
McCain ran close, but he was lagging behind the enthusiasm of the Obama campaign for most of his early run, carrying the baggage of the Bush administration with him. Initially, people thought Palin would turn the tide because she would be seen as a progressive figure marking change in the Republican party, and then we realized she was an idiot.
I remember Michelle Obama’s insult about Hillary not being able to “run her own house” so she could never run the White House. It was an insult to all women, not just Hillary. And yet I voted for Obama twice. People say and do nasty things in elections; if anyone thinks politicians are “nice” people, they have a rude awakening coming. BUT, politicians make laws. They appoint or confirm Supreme Court justices. So their stance on issues is all that matters. Not how “likeable” they are. Or what kind of campaign they run.
Not mean girl at all, and what a way to diminish her assessment as a former colleague.
An effective and popular Secretary of State, an effective and popular Senator from New York, and an effective presidential candidate who won the popular vote and lost only to targeted cheating by her opponent & bitterness from divisive “progressives” who won’t do the work to build a third party and only pop up every four years — and this is the best you can do?
I think Hillary is only helping Bernie with these comments. It’s the same thing with the Warren stunt revealing Bernie said a woman can’t win one day before the debate. I’m not saying I disagree with these ladies, but they are making Bernie stronger with these comments.
And as much as I prefer the other candidates, maybe the Bernie Bro’s trolls are the only ones who can actually go up against the Maga trolls in the general election.
I thought Biden would have been stronger as the front runner, but he’s looking really old and if they make the mistake of calling him or his son in the impeachment trial as a witness I think it’s over for Biden even if he makes it to the general.
I like Bernie himself but most of his supporters are absolutely psychotic, especially online. And Bernie and team should be doing something to rein them in. How about simply asking them to stop trolling and bullying all the other Democrats? Hillary’s right, it’s especially bad for the women, particularly Warren who agrees with 98% of Bernie’s positions! Why are they constantly gunning for her more than anyone else, including Republicans? Insane.
I really worry that this latest he-said-she-said thing is the end for Warren. There’s a reason she never brought it up. Bernie bros might have voted for her if she got the nom, now they’ll hold a grudge and vote for Trump because it’s just a sideshow that doesn’t affect their lives. My student died in the Ukrainian crash. If anyone votes for a third party in 2020 they are dead to me. I will vote for Bernie, Biden, and of course my pick is Warren. But that jackass needs to remember the Dems NEED to win in 2020 and not make it all about himself if he loses the nom. His petulance and lateness in ceding the win to Hillary is part of the reason So many of his bros voted for Trump or third party. We really need to remember that– the Bernie bros are definitely a part of why Trump won, the gawping morons.
I’m so sorry for your loss, PPP.
And yeah almost a third of Bernie supporters went third party. They are arguably more to blame for Donald than anyone as Republicans have long since lost their minds. You’d think Democrats (“”) would know better.
@PPP, I’m so sorry you lost a student in this tragedy. May their soul rest in peace.
I wonder who Bernie would actually pick for his VP. If he picks LIz Warren I will like his candidacy much better. I worry he’d go for AOC. It be like picking Sarah Palin in 2008.
AOC doesn’t have the age qualification for the job.
I did like how he responded (via reporter Geoff Bennett) – basically, just kept it moving.
“I just asked @SenSanders for his reaction to @HillaryClinton saying “no one likes” him. He said, “On a good day, my wife likes me, so let’s clear the air on that one.” He then pivoted to talking about impeachment. More tonight on @NBCNightlyNews”
Preach it Sister Hillary
Hilary on health care for all: NEVER EVER
My family needs Medicare For All.
She literally tried to help pass universal health care in the 90s. Like, this isn’t even ancient history. This was a hugely publicized reform movement in that era. I remember it, and I was a young kid at the time.
The reason she’s telling you it can’t be done now is because the Senate is Republican controlled. You cannot get universal healthcare through without a clear Democratic majority in the Senate. Obama tried it again in the 2000s, and we wound up with the ACA as a compromise because Lieberman was caucusing with the Democrats as an “independent” and was their dependent vote to get it through. He refused to go for a public option. That’s how we wound up with the hybrid model.
People need to understand how much healthcare reform has been attempted REPEATEDLY over the last thirty years, and each time, the Republican party is the one that has primarily stood in the way. If you want Bernie’s vision for America, you have to fight for Congress. Bernie Sanders will be a lame duck president without a clear majority behind him. That’s why his likability to his colleagues is a legitimate issue of discussion. It’s all well and good to poise yourself as a rebel, but if you’re not actually rebelling but attempting to fix the system using the system, you have to work with the system.
Thank you Veronica for shedding light on what has been a decades long fight. Thank you for remembering what Hilary tried to do in the 90s bc people’s memories are short.
Bernie Sanders cannot convince me that he knows how to do anything except lead a group of young , disillusioned people who have been challenged by today’s circumstances, but the US is still the best country to be in for a chance at individual success. I just came back from South Africa– the townships of Nyanga is POOR. Having a toilet is luxury for people who make less than $1.25 a day. We need to keep and improve our country– the burn it all down mentality of Sanders supporters unnerves me bc they’ve no experience or track record of a successful system of governance elsewhere!
Anarchy ain’t cute if you have to really live in it!
Thank you, Veronica.
When she saw that Congress would still block health insurance for all, Hillary at least brought in health insurance for children (the CHIPS program).
The assault on universal coverage started earlier than 30 years ago. The reason we have Medicare-for-Seniors only is because Medicare-for-All was blocked by the same forces that block it today, plus the American Medical Association (doctors). Ronald Reagan, still an actor, worked for the opposition. The LBJ Democrats scaled back their proposal and offered doctors healthy payments for treating Medicare patients, and still had to rely on the emotional atmosphere following the Kennedy assassination to pass any of the Great Society bills.
Mistreatment and inequality are America’s default systems.
Yes, you need the House and the Senate to pass legislation. Bernie can’t do health care by executive order.
Medicare is a standard, traditional indemnity plan. While it is one of the US’s greatest achievements, it has major problems that necessitate supplemental coverage for the cost-sharing. The patient is responsible for at least 20% of the Medicare allowable for each provider visit, more if the state allows providers to balance bill. There is $1,408 deductible on every hospital stay. All that adds up pretty quickly, especially if you’re seeing specialists. Sanders doesn’t address any of this. Also, Medicare does not set rates for pediatric care so completely new rate setting & regulations would take time.
There’s also the whole issue of resource accessibility in health care. Expanding universal health care would solve the coverage cost problem, but it doesn’t fix the issue facing rural areas in the United States – actual access to doctors, hospitals, and general medical care. To address that, you’d have to subsidize facilities by having wealthier states pour tax money into the less affluent ones, and you can imagine that bitterness THAT is going to generate given the political climate.
@VeronicaS there are mechanisms built into Medicare rate setting to address some of those issues and the ACA has provisions to reduce the National provider shortage, which will take time, but Sanders’s proposal would erase those provisions
Yeah, to clarify, I’m agreeing with you that his promise of an American NHS is not as well thought as people think it is. It’s a very large, very complex process that his really histrionic followers don’t understand is going to take decades to implement practically. I’ve been working in the medical industry at an inpatient or corporate level for the past decade or so, and it’s sometimes overwhelming to realize just how much we really have to tackle before addressing even the major problems. It’s a great idea in concept. Execution is a whole bag of cats on its own.
I was hoping you’d cover this!! She’s 100% correct.
He’s a user. He signed up to run in the 2016 Democratic and STOLE Hillary’s data. He agreed to the rules, then when he got trounced, he sent out his flying monkeys to claim the thing was rigged. He has nothing to show for his decades (except some weird and offense ramblings about rape fantasies and how people get cancer). He was boosted endlessly by Russia. He hired Tad Devine. I read somewhere but cannot find a source that he said he wouldn’t run in 2020 if Warren did. He has no political capital.
Yes he’s super shady. The only thing that I could think of it being as a positive is that he would be able to go against Trump’s shadiness in the general election with his own tactics. I’m not sure ‘when they go low we go high’ is going to cut it anymore. Maybe it takes a liar to defeat a liar. At least Bernie wont cut Social Security even if he can’t get anything else done.
Yeah, but weren’t there rumblings of the DNC rigging the nom towards Hillary? She’s not this angelic heroic figure, either. (Although yes, I’d take her over Dump)
As for the current Dem candidates, I’m gonna quote Bonnie Tyler and say I’m holding out for a hero…
I’m sad Kamala is no longer in the debates, she brought so much. Everyone on the stage feels meh now…. Even Warren, who I felt was strong, withered under Bernie… How would she do against Trump? So now I’m putting all my chips on Michael Bennet… I think he will surprise people.
Warren went after Bernie when the debate was over. That’s the scrapper I want.
The democratic national committee leaked information to undermine bernies campaign, including emphasizing the fact that he was Jewish to raise anti semitism against him. This is 100% fact. Look up democratic leaks in 2016.
Yeah Hillary rigged it by getting more votes. Can you imagine her nerve?
Bernie is only a Democrat when he wants establishment money to run for President. That along with the toxicity of his campaigns, I hope he doesn’t with the primary.
The rumblings were unfounded rumors. It’s amazing how long these smear campaigns last.
The DNC has rules to prevent a Trump-like outsider from getting the nom. It makes sense that Bernie, who has never been a democrat, was affected by them.
Bernie has done so much damage the Democratic Party. His supporters boo when he brings it up, and he encourages it. That’s not how you govern, and that’s why he shouldn’t be the democratic nominee.
I had no idea about the Bernie bros until I heard about ‘them’ on a news program this weekend. How awful is that?! And why hasn’t he publicly denounced this stuff, or has he and I missed that too? That is just about as bad as the MAGA people.
lol. A news program? The MSM are as biased as f*ck against Bernie and have been caught out multiple times.
Check this out:
https://youtu.be/pPghU2jpISw
On a shallow note, she looks amazing here! And as for what she said… no lies told. He and his supporters are toxic and divisive.
HRC is 100% right! I absolutely will NOT vote for Bernie if he wins the nomination.
I would. But I’d bring a barf bucket.
Me neither, but I live in New York. I’m glad I don’t live somewhere where it’d matter.
@Guest
Please rethink about not voting if he doesn’t get the nomination . I will hold you accountable if we get another 4 years of Trump. I voted for Hillary on the 2016 election, was she my choice? No, she was not, but she definitely got my vote.
There is no “perfect” democratic candidate in the primaries. But whoever gets the nomination will be my perfect candidate.
THANK YOU @onemoretime. People, it does not matter who the Democratic nominee is. IT DOES NOT MATTER. You need to vote for that person.
This is why I’m so disappointed in Hillary for doing this. It just creates more division within the Democratic Party. I like Bernie. I think that what he says he stands for are things we should all stand for. I think he’s an asshole who will go after Trump like no one else in the race (now that Kamala is out, sigh). I also loathe the Bernie Bros and am disappointed in Bernie for not making even one statement to condemn the Bros. If Bernie gets the nomination, there are going to be Democrats like many of you on here who are saying what you’re saying now, that you just can’t vote for him. You may not be influenced by what Hillary said but you know many, many people will be. And you and they will stay home. And we will get 4 more years of Trump.
The DNC strong-armed her into the nomination 4 years ago. They used many, many shady tactics to do this (as some of you have mentioned here). They are doing it again. They can’t get out of their own way. This is why former presidents don’t endorse a candidate until they’ve been chosen by the people. Hillary is as good as a former president in status. If you all can’t see why this was a HUGE mistake, then I just don’t know…
Bad move !! Division at democrats will do to win Trump 😡
Exactly. Why people are praising this move is the biggest WTF of my week. This isn’t going to prevent people from voting for him in the primary. His supporters are his supporters. This is going to prevent people from voting for him in the general if he’s the nominee.
@Guest I guess you want another four years of Trump then. I’m voting whoever gets the nom.
I’d vote for him (tho I don’t think he’ll get the nomination) but so much of any future success would depend on his VP pick. Who would sign up?
I heard a while back, and only once, that if Biden gets the nomination he would consider a Republican VP (called a Unity Ticket). I know there aren’t many (public) anti-Trump R’s but that would be an interesting strategy.
I don’t really have any thoughts on Bernie, other than if he winds up being the nominee I’ll vote for him.
That’s interesting. Perhaps Marco Rubio who is ahead of the curve in some international relations
My father – Bernie Bro extreme – emailed this headline to me yesterday and said “I think we’re agreed never to mention her again.” Like he was cancelling Hillary on my behalf. This is my whole life story. “Woke” men who see no problem with their causal sexism.
That is poisonous and I’m sorry that you have to deal with that.
My favorite Bernie-ism is his defense of supporting anti-abortion candidates. Which, sure, I get it from a purely pragmatic approach that sometimes those conservative Democratic candidates are the only things standing in the way of something far worse, you would think a guy who harps on economic exploitation so much would understand the very obvious link between women’s rights and women’s poverty. What does Medicare for all mean for me if I don’t have medical autonomy rights as a woman?
It’s especially telling that Bernie, who is the no-compromise candidate on many issues, is so willing to compromise on something like bodily autonomy and reproductive justice. How can you reach a compromise with people who think clumps of cells are more important than a woman’s life?
One of the big problems with the Sanders’ campaign is the lack of intersectionality. Yes, socioeconomic status matters, but race and gender (and being a member of the LGBTQ community) all play into that, and any real solutions to inequality have to include the fact that although it’s hard to not have money, it’s a heck of a lot easier if you’re a white man who doesn’t have money as compared to a woman of color.
I voted for Sanders in the 2016 primary, and I will vote for a dog dressed as a person for president if that’s who wins the Democratic nomination, but I am crossing my fingers it won’t be Biden or Sanders.
He absolutely encourages it. I went to a local rally of his in the 2016 primary season and it was really astounding to watch. There were loud vigorous chants of “lock her up” during his remarks and a host of other misogynistic garbage (just like now) and he did nothing. That doesn’t include the racism and antisemitism. His followers are a cult and it’s vile and disturbing.
The left eating itself again. As vile as the rethuglicans are, at least they fall in line and support each other. Hillary is right about Bernie but this is doing the Democrats no favors at all. She should put the party before her pride. The left’s purity test will be its undoing.
@Christine
Nah. The Republicans aren’t unified during primaries because it’s the primaries. This is the time to weed out the bad candidates. Saying we’re eating our own by calling out toxicity is telling us that we have to tolerate said toxicity – and is a privileged position to take. Bernie hasn’t changed. His supporters are worse than before, and we shouldn’t just tolerate it for some meaningless claim of unity.
I agree with Hillary 100%. If it comes down to an election between Trump and Sanders we will get 4 more years of Trump. The majority of people despise Trump but put him against Sanders, a man viewed as a Socialist, Imand we will get 4 more years with the family of grifters. The socialism rabbit hole is too hard to stomach for the electorate in this country.
I also believe Trumps minions and the Russian bots want Sanders to win because they know this and know they’ll get 4 more years.
Well she’s not wrong!
Bernie Sanders is a curmudgeonly asshole in my opinion. I saw him on The Today Show and although I’m not a fan of Savannah Guthrie, I was pretty grossed out by how dismissive and nasty he was to her. My initial reaction was to think he was being misogynistic but it doesn’t match his message. I find a lot of his behavior and demeanor doesn’t match his message. I don’t think he’s right for the job.
Also–I know a few Bernie Bros and they are insufferable. It’s a little telling that Bernie has appealed to so many misogynistic assholes. They see something in him that they identify with.
Why aren’t we talking about Bloomberg? Guy is a master at public health and business but he is getting no love.
Because I don’t like vanity projects. He could take his millions and fund down ticket Dems, pay for rides to the polls in poor rural areas, register millions…. his candidacy is a bit of a waste.
I have a friend who was an environmental lobbyist. He tried to work with Bernie on some legislation, and he came away from that experience extremely frustrated. Bernie refused to work with other legislators because he did not want to include their ideas in the legislation, so, of course, it went nowhere. My friend found Bernie to be ineffectual, narcissistic and unpleasant to work with. And that’s on one of his signature issues! Hillary’s comments echo my friend’s, and I really hope people listen.
I cannot wait for this Hulu docuseries! I can never get enough of HRC!
I don’t care much for Bernie and I also don’t like Hillary so there you go.
I don’t know why people in the states believe in Hillary Clinton or anyone else for that matter. She’s from the same old crowd. Don’t get me wrong, I love to see people like AOC calling the institutions out and making waves. But… With the structure of the politics over there, it’s impossible to change things. It was made to be this way. And why are politics so linked to celebrity culture? Such a scary country.
Uh, no.
I think in this interview Hillary is taking one for the team. She is saying all the Bernie things so the other candidates don’t have to. She’s is providing them a cover – she’ll say it, because she’s not running. She can get that information out there, give people reasons to ponder and consider WITHOUT causing harm to the other candidates running.
One thing for sure, Hillary Clinton is fearless– she’s taken the heat, she’s stood up to ruthless and brutal attacks for 30 years and still she stands. If doing this can make the way for a Dem to take back the White House, she is all in. I bet she dines on the Bernie Bros comments and laughs over coffee about them. if she can steer their hatred towards her (which let’s face it, she’s used to it), instead of Elizabeth Warren, I think she’s gonna do it. It’s her double FU to both Bernie and that malignant tumor in the White House.
@What…now, that’s a really interesting theory, and sounds very plausible.
I’m a total Hillary stan. Smartest person in the room 99.9% of the time, but has had to endure countless idiots who want nothing more than for her to sit down and shut up. And still she persists! I’m With Her, always have been, and always will be.
She’s not wrong but she’s not helping either. I’m not sure what she’s angling for here. I wish she would have done this series either last year or after the election. I’m not sure if she’s doing it now out of her own self interest (to promote interest in her series) or if she thinks this is helpful somehow. To who? Biden? Warren? I’m not sure what the angle could be.
Also stop talking about winning the popular vote Hillary! Are you the president? No! Therefore you lost. It’s stupid but it’s not complicated. It doesn’t matter who wins the popular vote! And I need the Democrats to remember this. Like I hope the DNC leadership has taped to their bathroom mirror: “only the electoral college matters.” They should put that on a big sign on the stage for all the debates too. God knows the gop doesn’t forget it.
Trump’s president because the voters bought into the divisiveness. Hopefully Hillary’s supporters won’t make the same mistake the Bernie Bros. did: if he wins the nomination not voting for him in the general election increases Trump’s chances. They cut their nose off to spite their face last time. Don’t make the same mistake. Regardless of his toxic supporters or abrasive personality, Bernie and Hillary’s platform policies weren’t that far apart at all. It’s sad that divisiveness (Bernie Bros.’ indignation) resulted in them voting against (or not voting for) Hillary as the candidate with a platform they mostly purport to support. If it comes to pass, don’t make that same mistake they did.
Thank you for saying all this. Agree 100%. It’s disappointing that expressing a positive opinion toward a former Presidential candidate who won the popular vote is now an invitation to relentless attack by the Bernie Borg, but those of us who watched it happen in 2016 knew it would be even worse if he ran again.
this lady copped so much flak. i still up till now can’t believe the voting majority thought it acceptable for Trump to huff and puff and stomp around her while she was doing her presentation on stage. it’s good she’s speaking up again. i hope her detractors don’t start dragging her again to distract from Trump’s impeachment proceedings.
Bernie Sanders was and never will be my first choice. He was never a Democrat and still considers himself an independent in the Senate. Yes he has a lot of good ideas, but he has a lot of terrible ones too. Not my first choice in 2016 and not my first choice now. I won’t vote for him in the primaries. However, I will vote against Trump no matter who gets the nomination. Hillary hates him and has reason to. But, she will get her people to support him and make him grovel for her endorsement, which he will, if he gets the nomination.
He has a lot of terrible ideas? Can you list them?
I don’t like his stance on guns. He refused to acknowledge race in the making of the economic underclass and unraveling of the middle class , trying to only frame it as class issue ,laughable in these here United States. Remember him getting dogged by black activists at some of his rally’s and the racist reaction. He’s pushing for $15/ min wage, yet when some of his own campaign workers wanted to organize and push for living wages, he did not support them and tried to rig how they were paid. He is sexist, coasts on the fumes of what he did way back in the civil rights era, and also voted for the same Clinton crime bill that is coming back to haunt many an old democratic candidate. And he’s too old,I said it because I think it. The man has a heart attack on the campaign but that’s brushed under the rug, but when Hillary has a cold, she was considered weak. He lacks the depth of Warren on a lot of issues, but he’s never questioned on how to pay for all these programs, while she is. He never was and never will be my first choice, but between him and Trump, I’ll hold my nose and pick Sanders and hope he gets a decent veep. None of these candidates are going to save us nor undo the damage of Trump at the pace we want.
He’s never questioned on how he’s going to pay for all of these ideas? lol.
The running joke among Sanders supporters is about how Bernie has had to explain over and over again about how he’s going to pay for his proposals.
Bernie has said repeatedly that he is going to cut the bloated millitary budget, stop pouring billions of dollars into the prison industrial complex, introduce a wealth tax and cut subsides to the fossil fuel industry.
Re: the millitary budget, Bernie opposed Trump’s massive increase to it while Warren actually voted in favour of providing more than Trump asked for. Pretty strange that establishment Democrats would say that Trump is a Russian
asset and then increase his millitary and surveillance budget.
How are you not aware of these things?
@L4frimaire SLAY. Also, his record of implementing any of his questionably “good” ideas is literally nonexistent. Free higher education? Ha ha ha – his state has the highest cost of public education in the United States. To me, this matters and matters A LOT. He’s all hat and no cattle. Why anyone would want him as President is COMPLETELY mind-boggling to me.
One of my biggest problems with St. Bernard of the Perpetually Pissed Offed is their absolutism. Anyone and I mean anyone who even offers the mildest criticism of that fool gets harrassed, doxxed online, threatened with violence, rape (if you are female), and called everything but a child of God.
They actually had the unmitigated gall to come for Rep. John Lewis in 2016 when he endorsed Hillary. All the while invoking the legacy of MLK for Sanders, who went to a couple of demonstrations and fucked-off to lily-white Vermont, while Lewis lives with a steel plate in his head from being nearly beaten to death.
I am not an American but I follow US politics closely and i find it extremely weird that the leading contenders are pushing 80. I mean its odd that there isn’t more of a question mark around candidates that are running for one of the most stressful jobs in the country at an age where people normally are retired.
And then at the same time there’s this conversation around women and particularly black women about electability.
Also regarding the women from where I am standing I am shocked that Kamala Harris who seemed like the stronger candidate than both Warren and Klobuchar is out. I don’t buy that it’s to do with politics or being centrist or whatever else because Buttigieg isn’t exactly a leftist I also don’t buy that it’s to do with AG background given that Klobuchar was also a prosecutor and was to the right of her. It’s seems to me Harris was specifically targeted. I noticed that they literately attacked her disproportionately to her poll numbers from the day she announced her candidacy. Warren & Buttigieg on the other hand was only given that treatment once Kamala and Klobuchar was largely left alone and the one article about her throwing things at her staff didn’t seem to hurt her. I don’t know who was behind that but the so called Bernie bros certainly aided what looked like a racist campaign against the only black woman running. Really sad for the Democratic Party because I am not convinced they will win, I hope so but at this point I don’t think they have really strong candidates. IMO.
I love HRC! And, yet again, she’s 100% correct. I voted for her, raised money, knocked on doors and would do it a million times over for Hillary. I cannot stand Sanders and his old school sexism and racism.
Yes! Hillary is absolutely right. Plus Bernie encourages the misogynistic trash throw at his women candidates .
You’ll be in for a big shock when Bernie’s running mate is Nina Turner or Tulsi Gabbard.
Tulsi Gabbard is trash. I hope you’re kidding about that.
Tulsi is another Russian pawn, and if that wasn’t bad enough a total Assad apologist. Hillary is ALWAYS right on this Russian stuff.
That’s interesting, I didn’t expect so much support for her here in the comments.
Even though I should be her demographic of choice (white educated female) I never cared for her or her politics. And what bothers me the most is that this type of holier-than-thou attitude is what allienated so many trump voters in the first place.
Her comment on the “deplorable” really shows that she lives in a rich blue bubble and people were rightly upset with it. Now all Bernie supporters should be some macho bernie bros? That’s another very dismissive way of talking about people who support him out of true concern for their healthcare, the cost of education, etc.
Her comment – that there were Trump supporters who were following him because no one else had worked for them AND there was a segment of his Trump’s voters that were supporting him out of misogyny or racism – is 100% correct and if people took offense to it, that says more about them than it does about her. A hit dog hollers. When people talk about racist white people, I sit with their specific criticisms first. If it’s not about me, its not about me.
Well you little Susan Sarandon wanna be how is the Trump sh-t show working for you? It must be so nice to have that white privilege to fall back on while waiting for your magical 🦄
I don’t understand your comment.
I see no lie here. I hear no lie here. He’s unaccomplished, unimpressive, and undeserving of this nomination. He’s gotten nothing done in Congress and I fail to see him getting anything done with a Republican-controlled Senate. He’s nothing more than a snake oil salesman.
That weirdo Tulsi Gabbard is suing HRC for defamation now. Maybe Kaiser updated her post. Gabbard give me hives.
I’m ok with “nobody” liking him, given he’s one of the very very few who aren’t controlled by the machine. I respect the fact he does not sway with the money and has integrity. I have yet to hear one SPECIFIC example of him being racist or sexist….I’ll wait. The man marched with MLK! Have we forgotten about Hillary’s “superpreditor” remarks, or how her camp treated Obama in 2008? He is the one who encouraged Elizabeth Warren to run in 2015. He lost the primary to Hillary and proceeded to do 39 rallies in support of her. The establishment machine is hard at work and everyone is falling for it yet again. I guess the saying, people get the government they deserve is true?
I used to love Bernie but now I hate him. The more I learned about him and what he actually did (and mostly, didn’t) do in his years as a professional politician, the more I became convinced he is an egomaniac and all talk, no walk. I hate the Bernie Bros who smeared Hillary, harass women online, and in general seem to enjoy shouting people down in real life and online as their number one favorite activity. I will vote for Bernie if I must but I hope I don’t have to.
I’m going to diverge with everyone here and say this was not a good look. I love Hilary and 100% believe that she was unfairly maligned by sexist trolls and that some of them were most definitely in Bernie’s camp (side eye to Susan Saradon. But I wish she would stay out of this. If Bernie is trash let the rest of the world find that out on their own. The numbers Bernie is pulling don’t lie. He is popular with people of color and women. So the Bernie Bro label is sexist and ridiculous in itself. The online world is full of trolls. Our focus should be on defeating Donald not setting up a reverse 2016 all over again. This time with Hilary being perceived as trying to tank the potential nominee putting him in a weaker position against Trump. As a woman of color who supported Hilary AND likes several of Bernie’s policies we don’t need this. Can we please focus on beating Trump? jfc.