Alright. Well, now Super Tuesday is over with and as of this writing, California is the only Super Tuesday state without the majority of votes counted. California and Texas seemed to have a lot of issues with long lines and people waiting for hours to cast their ballots… in a f–kig Democratic primary! This was not a general election. The turnout for a Dem primary is always going to be lower than a general, so why the long lines? Oh right. Because local, state and federal officials try to make it hard for working class peeps and people of color to vote. This… does not bode well for the general.
Also not boding well for the general is just…the breakdown of votes. Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad Bernie Sanders didn’t sweep Super Tuesday. I’m grateful. But people still slept on Elizabeth Warren and it just makes me so f–king sad. Joe Biden had a big night, winning Alabama, Arkansas, Maine (the vote is neck-in-neck with Sanders, Biden might have just edged him), Massachusetts, Minnesota, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas and Virginia. Bernie Sanders won Colorado, Vermont and Utah, and he’ll likely win California, but Biden had a decent showing in all of the states won by Sanders too. So far, Biden picked up 371 delegates on Super Tuesday and Sanders picked up 301 delegates. Warren picked up… 35 delegates. Michael Bloomberg spent $500 million to win 12 delegates (lmao).
This can only really be read as one way: the hardcore Democratic voters – seniors, African-American women, college-educated women – are coming home to what they see as the safest option in the Trump era. Again, I’ve always disagreed with the idea that Biden is Mr. Safe. But I also didn’t think that Warren would be THIS erased from the narrative, and this ignored by the media and by voters. As I’ve said before… a lot will depend on Biden’s VP choice. I hope he completely understands that he can’t choose some white dude as veep. Ugh.
Also: I saw this on Twitter yesterday and it’s so true: Rep. Jim Clyburn absolutely changed the course of history. Biden was DOA and Clyburn endorsed him in South Carolina, and delivered the African-American vote to Biden. Biden wins South Carolina, picks up a steady stream of high-profile endorsements, and goes on to win Super Tuesday. It’s all because of Clyburn.
Update: Mike Bloomberg just dropped out. We’ll have more on that tomorrow, honestly. He was such a terrible candidate and I give Warren so much credit for effectively taking him out of the race.
Photos courtesy of Getty, Avalon Red.
Yes, Biden can and will beat Trump in November. With Kamala Harris or Stacy A as VP, it’s a win for us all.
Plus Senate now has a massive chance of turning blue.
if he picks Kamala has his VP I’ll be ecstatic. I’m not a big fan of either fighting or Bernie, but I prefer Biden. I’m just continually amazed and disappointed that Warren fell off. she was so clearly the best candidate, in my opinion.
I am a huge Kamala Harris fan and agree that Biden should not pick a white dude for VP.
California voter (by mail on Monday). Our family split, I went with Biden, my husband went with Warren, it was definitely an interesting night.
I read someone on twitter who crystallized my feelings: Bernie, Mr “I won’t run in 2020,” ratfcked Warren worse than even the media erasure. How many of those Biden votes were people who wanted to vote Warren, but didn’t want to hand the election to Bernie, who would have lost, hard?
I hope it’s a black woman on the ticket – Abrams, Harris, Demings; there are many to choose from – but my heart aches for what could have been with Warren. I’m just hurt.
After a 3rd place finish in her home state where she is a sitting senator I think she should go into a Biden Cabinet (commerce, treasury) I think Biden will go Harris or Abrams. If he chooses Abrams then it means he will be tapping Harris for AG
I completely agree EW is a fighter w tons of energy, all heart & a Brainiac. Balanced, amazing. However, our country ain’t ready. It ain’t. I went in for Biden- it’s a nostalgia + logic thing. He’ can be goofy, but he’s also versed in turning around a disaster, which was the 2009 recession. Our country is wounded by trump & we need a healer w some chops.
And that last bit is key; nothing good happens for our Republic with that treasonous turtle Moscow Mitch controlling the Senate. We need to flip it and flip it hard.
So so true. I will admit, if he gets voted out….regardless of any other outcome, I will be happy. That man is vile!
Totally agree. McConnell MUST be ousted. Maybe Bloomberg can throw some money that direction to his opponent and help make that happen.
Honestly, I think this election should be about getting McConnell OUT. Some way, some how — McTurtle has to GO. He’s the definition of treason weasel–I cannot stand him.
There’s a budding pandemic and people are jittery. They want someone calm and steady who listens to other people.
I am British so excuse me butting in, but I am hoping Stacy Abrams is VP. I just think having her in Washington learning the ropes and expanding her resume would be great, she is the future, but if she needed to step in she would do a great job. Meanwhile Kamala Harris should have a really meaty job, such as Secretary of State. What I really want is for Biden to win, but I want him to name his entire cabinet as soon as he wins the nomination. What a team he could put together! Then, as a group they could go after Trump, with Bloomberg spending a fortune on adverts and infomercials, making it impossible for the Fox News faithful to avoid seeing and hearing the truth, even if they try really hard not to. Sorry, but I don’t see Sanders being able to pull this off.
P.S., somehow and somewhere I want to see lots more of Katy Porter; watching her using her intellect to eviscerate the opposition is almost better than sex.
The VP needs to come from a swing state. CA and GA aren’t swing states. Harris and Abrams are great candidates, but not for this job.
But Mac, maybe getting the ‘best people’ rather than just saying you going to get the ‘best people’ will have more political clout than people think. Absolutely nobody thought Biden could make the comeback he did this last week, Lots if political norms have been blown out of the water recently, I am optimistic that this one can go too.
@Jellybean Everyone paying attention expected Biden to make a big comeback. His focus was always on SC and Super Tuesday states.
Thank you Mac. I’m flabbergasted at all of this hyperbole being thrown around. Clyburn did not save Biden’s campaign; it was always expected that Biden would start to perform well once we got away from the lily white early caucus states. People need to realize that Twitter and the media are not always indicative of what’s really happening on ground.
It is true that Biden was expected to do well in SC, but his lead was slipping and he certainly wasn’t expected to get a landslide. In the early stages of the campaign Biden might have expected to do well on Super Tuesday, but more recently it was looking like Sanders would dominate, with conservative estimates suggesting he would end the week with 100 to 200 more delegates. Biden had virtually no money to campaign effectively in those states. Yes, he was always expected to perform well in the later stages, but there was doubt he would be able to catch up after Super Tuesday. Now it looks like Biden will end up ahead on delegates before his best states and he is going to get flooded with money now he has the momentum.
@Jellybean Based on Sanders 2016 numbers, it was clear he was not going to come out of Super Tuesday with a massive lead. I know saying so makes for more interesting blather on 24 hour cable news stations, but the real pundits got it right.
Yeah, I don’t know where this comeback story is coming from. Biden and Sanders have been the front runners from the start. The first few primaries were never going to go Biden’s way, but it would have been a real shocker if he didn’t have a very strong showing after that.
He’s done slightly better than anticipated, largely because people were expecting Buttigieg to last til Super Tuesday, but he was always expected to sweep some of these states and come a solid second in others.
I think people just got so focused on the ‘new’ faces they just sort of skimmed over all the Biden polling.
There are Republicans reporting voting in the democratic primaries because they want to choose the D nominee with “moderate” republicans voting for Biden because they don’t really expect him to change the status quo too much and the Trumpers voting for Sanders; I think that’s hurting Warren a lot (she is truly a threat to the oligarchy the GOP wants to impose on us all).
Biden absolutely needs a strong woman, preferably a WOC, as a running mate. There’s talk that Trump may be trying to push Pence out to have Nikki Haley as his VP
He’s going to have to do it without my vote. I won’t vote for an establishment Dem foisted upon us in order to block the true progressives.
And that is how we got Trump in the first place and why I didn’t vote Bernie. His people gave us Trump.
So you would think the establishment would learn. Wouldn’t you?
J there is a WORLD of difference between Trump and Biden. I prefer Warren, but she’s not going to make it. I’ll gladly stand behind Biden to get Trump out. Don’t help re-elect the Orange Menace
I agree there’s a world of difference between Biden and Trump. And there’s a world of difference between Biden and Warren / Sanders.
I’ve been voting in presidential elections for decades now and every time, I’m told we have to wait to move the window a little to the left because it’s too important that the Republican running not win this time. And next time we’ll vote more progressive. Every time.
I’m not interested in choosing between the lesser of two sexist old men with dementia. Unless Sanders or Warren gets the nomination, I’m done.
But a progressive winning the nom doesn’t mean they win the election? Bernie doesn’t have any more people coming out for him than he did in 2016 with four years of possibilities. You can’t win the general election if you can only get 30 percent of your own party to vote for you.
Also in this election in particular..Wisconsin Michigan Florida and Penn are what it’s coming down to. Who can win there? Not in the primary but in the general.
That’s who should be the nominee. It ain’t Bernie in those places..
J, I get what you’re saying – I REALLY do – but please vote in the general election. WIthholding your vote doesn’t make a point or “teach the establishment” anything. As Republicans have proven over the past 20+ years with their strategy of packing state and local offices with conservatives, the down-ballot candidates matter SO much more than most of realize. So even if you can’t bring yourself to endorse Biden (and again, I can understand that), vote so that you can support the other (hopefully more progressive, depending on where you live) candidates on the ticket.
Looks like my comments are being censored now, so time for me to bow out of the conversation.
Best of luck to you all.
By “foisted upon us” you mean the candidate that people VOTED for?
Enough with this conspiracy crap.
The fact is that moderates won big in 2018, and they are what allowed Trump to be impeached. If the Democrats are going to have ANY influence in our government, they need to have a coalition that includes moderates. That’s just the way it is when you have an election system that organizes by land and not popular vote. It’s a harsh reality, but we must win seats with moderates and then provide political cover for them when we want them to vote progressively, as they did during impeachment.
Bernie would never get his programs thru the Senate and there is only so much an executive order can do. I take offense in his constant attacks of moderate Democrats since I am one. I would have preferred Harris or Warren but we have to move forward and keep the eye on the prize. Replace Trump and get control of the Senate. I think it is good that Warren keeps her senate seat and maybe we can get rid of Susan Collins too. By not voting, you are supporting Trump so you have made a choice.
As someone watching from another country Bernie supporters come across just like trump supporters as in it is their way or nothing. Bernie supporters were celebrating Pete B dropping out with one tweeting “rat terminated”. Seriously how in heck is that any better than the vile crap that comes out of trump supporters mouths? For the most part Bernie supporters are simply the opposite side of the same coin as trump supporters. The policy differences are huge but the way so many of them demean and talk trash about anyone who disagrees with them is the same and that is a huge turn off for most people.
This purity test attitude needs to stop, every other country knows how to strategically vote if necessary. Trump and a 7-2 Supreme Court is your other option.
“foisted” LOL. I keep saying , Bernard Sanders is a one-man voter supression operation, that is why the Kremlin loves him so much.
No candidate beholden to corporate interests is going to stand up to them and take the necessary steps to successfully fight climate change. The Sunrise Movement gave Biden an F for is environmental policies.
Anyway as one Berner said:
‘No reason to get all doom and gloom because Bernie’s down 45 pledged delegates out of 4,051. Warren was the frontrunner a couple months ago, Biden was dead in the water a couple weeks ago. The future is unwritten, 45 delegates is nothing, Biden’s a clown, chin up, let’s go”
!If your definition of a #RiggedPrimary is that black people finally got to vote — you may not be very progressive after all.”
If you live in a swing state and you don’t vote or vote for a third party you are giving a Dump a vote. It’s what happened in 2016. So if you are cool with kids remaining in cages and the kleptocracy growing because of some purity test, that says a lot about you. It’s pretty obvious this is coming from a white person with privilege.
When people say that if it isn’t the candidate they want so they won’t vote or they will vote 3rd party, it means they just don’t care about their community. Maybe Biden won’t do EVERYTHING you want, but he will do things for some of the rest of the population for their benefit. It was Biden who initiated same sex marriage when Obama was hesitant. Biden was strong getting the ACA passed and he said he will be building on that instead of scrapping it and building something new that won’t get passed. Think about the benefits to the less fortunate people in the country and vote to help them. Living in a country where you have the right to vote is a privilege. Be grateful for what you have. Not everything is about you and your needs.
Im voting for the animals on the border who have no say in “the old white establishment men” argument. These wild creatures will die with trump’s fence during floods. I’m voting for the baby wolves & bears that trump allows to be shot in their dens…I’m voting for all my Black & Brown friends who are terrorized by trumps white supremacist dog whistles. I’m not giving up because my progressive candidate ain’t popular enough. If it’s Biden I’m all in, I’m not selfish enough to usher in another 4 yrs of trump horror
In 2008, Obama knew that he had to pick an old white guy as his running mate. And McCain knew that he had to pick anyone BUT an old white guy (which is how he ended up with tabloid princess Sarah Palin).
Biden knows how this is done. So I think it’s guaranteed that he will not pick another old white guy for VP. He’s got a lot of good options to choose from, so I think it will be a matter of choosing a VP that is most advantageous to the ticket and who can successfully run in 2024 if his age limits him to one term.
Biden knows how it’s done, and those of us including me who would vote for Baby Yoda over Trump will vote for Biden no matter who he chooses as his VP. That’s why he has to choose a VP to attract “maybe” Trump voters. And I think that person will be Ohio Senator Sherrod Brown. He’ll carry Ohio.
Sherrod Brown IS amazing. Plus Biden will put a Black woman on the supreme court- Kamala Harris?
I live in a state Biden took, followed by Bernie and Bloomberg. Of the 30~ or so college educated (mostly white) women in my realm, at least 20-25 voted for Warren. I only know a few who voted for Bernie and Biden and everyone hates Bloomberg. So it’s odd to me to see so few people vote for Warren because she seems like the most popular candidate in my primary social circle. Clearly I don’t get out much.
yeah, I realized that my Twitter feed is clearly a reflection of myself and not the general population, because if my Twitter feed was representative of voting, Warren would have swept super Tuesday.
I, too, am surrounded by Warren supporters, and we are all a little gobsmacked that she didn’t do better. One of my friends posted this on her Facebook account, and it explains the dissonance we are expressing pretty well. Ironically, I am a white academic (I am a teaching professor, not research or clinical), so I’m feeling a little specifically targeted in this article. Lol.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/03/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-super-tuesday.html?fbclid=IwAR14Dlyk9aitWd6_p_Df9-bUjibvGV25TJXr-Qx23mOymmmp_B2fZ_k_HNI
It is worth noting that the first in the nation primaries do dominate the conversation for a year or more. When those states are not representative of the majority, then is it surprising when things start to go off the rails? I have heard over and over that the people who caucus in Iowa expect to see each candidate several times before making up their minds; they are like semi-professional voters, over indulged by the candidates who look to fine tune their message to a relatively small group of people who bare little resemblance to the average voter. Add that to the extremely distorted world of twitter and online opinion pieces and it is very easy to be surprised when the quiet majority starts voting.
Jellybean, I think you’re right on with your assessment. (And my middle-aged white women friends and I are all on board with Warren, too.)
I hope that this doesn’t sound inflammatory because it’s truly not my intent but it’s nice that you all are realizing your reality is not everyone else’s.
@mimi, I think this statement is true for everyone. No matter how informed you are, how much you read from varying sources and stay up to date on the news and current events, your perspective is always going to be skewed by a variety of factors. While I never expected Warren to have the most mass-appeal or win the nomination, I was surprised that so many WOC in my work group voted for Bernie over Warren (surprising to me because of the toxicity and blatant misogyny and racism of many of his supporters). We had a really interesting discussion in my work group yesterday about why that was, and I learned a lot from it. That said, some of my friends were surprised by the regional differences between the votes; two of the discussion participants who are black and live in the South, voted for Bernie, which seemed to go against the narrative we hear most in the news cycle. Yes, these are individual differences and not indicative of the whole, but the importance of geography (in the context of the discussion) really stuck with me. While the larger issues of race, ethnicity, and gender are definitely critical factors in the discussion, the intersection of geography also plays a role, which I didn’t truly appreciate until that conversation yesterday.
Noodle, thanks for your response. Really appreciate it!
I voted for Warren yesterday in a state that went for Biden. I think Biden has the best chance of beating Trump, but I still think Warren would be the best president. I’m an unaffiliated voter who leans liberal married to a republican who voted Hillary. He would vote Warren (begrudgingly), Biden (willingly) and wouldn’t vote for president at all if Bernie gets the nomination. I’ve heard that same statement from others (real life, not online) who crossed the party line to vote for Hillary too. Lots of socially liberal, fiscally conservative Republicans hate Trump with a passion.
That would be my 65 yo country club card carrying white mother in Wisconsin. Republican by wallet, liberal by heart. Cannot stand Trump, and the rants I have heard these past few years from a normally diplomatic woman have made me very happy
“ Why Elizabeth Warren is losing even as white professionals love her” (https://www.vox.com/2020/3/3/21162527/what-happened-to-elizabeth-warren)
I wish more people could understand this is the view of SOOO many people that are not on twitter. The Bernie fanatics do not get it..doesn’t matter if he wins the nom if he can’t win the general it means nothing. His support has clearly topped at where it is at
Don’t care who gets the Democratic nomination. Sick and tired of the in party fighting when there needs to be unification and a strong push for voter turnout. Biden, Sanders, Warren — will vote for ANY of them as long as they can beat Trump. HE NEEDS TO GO. Take him and his nasty MAGA zealots out of office and the media.
Amen
Absolutely. Eye on the end goal.
Totally agree!
PREACH!!!!!
Yes, this!!!
I’ll vote for anyone over Trump, including the Easter Bunny or Baby Yoda. I believe that at this point Biden has the best chance. Whatever happens, he is a good man. And yeah, I think Trump will dump Pence for Nikki.
👏👏👏👏 agree wholeheartedly!
Agree
Sigh. Bernie supporters are going to stay home again if he doesn’t win. Trump will be re-elected.
Nope he won’t. Dems are turning up in record numbers and they will continue that in November.
And Bernie’s numbers have been lower in some states than they were in 2016. He’s not bringing along those new, never voters his people claimed would turn out for him.
I have come to the conclusion that BS (his initials) is a great deal like the orange one. He has a loud minority (probably propped up by bots) and has not grown that base of support.
@Christin
I’m sorry but NO. It is insane to liken Bernie to Trump. There are some awful Bernie Bros out there for sure but they are far outnumbered by belligerent MAGAts. I met so many people yesterday (in a deep red county in Texas!) that are going through difficult times with wages and healthcare who have a lot of hope to finally see a candidate like Bernie that was treating our nation’s travesties with the proper outrage that they deserve, that really hit home with a lot of people who are growing more and more restless and rightfully angry. Yes, Bernie may sound like a looney old curmudgeon but his public displays of underscoring the disgusting things going on in our country was like a beacon for many people. Here is a politician who is just as pissed off as they are and who is vocalizing that on a national level and who had balls enough to call out his fellow party members for their complicity. He and Biden were neck and neck here in TX and it was sight to see. But everyone person I talked to agreed that even if their candidate (mostly Bernie) didn’t win they were committed to “vote blue no matter who”. This is not like 2016 and the average Bernie supporter that I met were nothing like MAGAts.
@Spaghetti – My point is that a very vocal base can mislead people into thinking the numbers are far greater than reality. I understand your points about issues raised by Bernie, but his record of actual accomplishments is apparently relatively scant for his many years of serving in Congress.
It’s not “insane” (really offensive choice of wording) to see similarities in talk versus action, abrasiveness and extreme “us versus them”. I never said they were identical, but that there are similarities, including ideas and talk versus realistic plans.
One last similarity – both are allegedly favored by another country. Chaos and division, anyone?
It’s so funny that both sides are saying this, at least in the media. Bernie is “too extreme for most dems to vote for” so many dems won’t vote if he gets the nomination, and Bernie supporters won’t turn out for anyone else.
I think both sides could come together with Elizabeth Warren, but after this showing, I would suspect she’s going to drop out. Maybe Joe will pick her as VP as an olive branch.
I want her as president so badly! But I’d rather have her in the Senate where she gets stuff done than as VP.
Warren as VP would be a brilliant move on Biden’s part.
and those bernie bros staying home will be replaced by independent swing voters and republicans who hate Trump, who would otherwise stay home if Berbie wins the nom. I think there are a lot of those who might vote for Biden.
Bernie’s numbers are down from the 2016 election – his base is already either staying home or not voting for him again. The majority of voters (so far) have gone to other candidates. Plus in 2016, 12 percent (1 in 10) of Bernie voters VOTED FOR TRUMP. They should not be driving our collective decisions. https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds
Well he lit a fire in TEXAS of all places last night. Our lines were wrapped around the buildings in a normally deep red county. Almost every person I spoke to was voting for Bernie but were deeply committed to supporting whoever won the Dem nomination. No one I met was being petty about the possibility of Bernie losing, the overall goal of removing Trump was clear for everyone.
Hopefully this time around Sanders gets fully behind the nominee if it is Biden. Maybe this will sway some of those that would stay home. I do know this..Bernie can’t win where it counts. The sooner people realize the better.
The Bernie supporters I know have promised to vote blue no matter who this time. I surely hope so.
It was a failed experiment last round- the ol’ protest vote or the Ol’ “trump will wake us up” vote.
Bernie supporters won’t stay home. They will vote D.
Biden swept Super Tuesday. If Sanders thought this would be a cake walk the team was mistaken. Clyburn was the Jaws of Life for the Biden campaign and if Biden gets the nomination and evicts Trump from 1600 on Election Day he owes Clyburn a Cabinet post.
Warren losing in her home state has to be humiliating and she may have to make some hard choices. Bloomberg needs to spend that 500 million to help someone else to get into the White House because it’s certainly not helping him.
Biden was always going to win big in South Carolina and go on to win big on Super Tuesday. Clyburn reminded Biden voters why they were voting for him and convinced a lot of Warren voters to switch to Biden.
Rep. Clyburn gave Joe the perfect platform to show himself as the Joe people like–policy aside, it’s a human connection. He was not one of the candidates I’ve donated to, but if you asked me which of all had the best ‘heart’ I’d say him. If you’ve ever been sick for a very long time, you know all you want is to have your normal back again..and that’s why I’m not so surprised (except in Mass, that’s a shocker)
Bloomberg just quit & endorsed Biden.
I definitely think this is a reaction to Bernie and Democrats being nervous he wins the nomination and gets trounced in November and we have 4 more years of Trump. The democrats are rallying behind Biden less out of love for Biden himself and more out of disgust for Bernie AND trump.
I am sad at how the women have been erased from the conversation though, obviously especially Warren at this point – like what does a woman have to do to be deemed “electable?” But I also think people are just nervous about a repeat of 2016. I personally was relieved to see Biden do well bc I really do not want a Bernie candidacy.
If she is still in the race in a month I’ll vote for Warren in my primary.
The democrats are rallying behind Biden less out of love for Biden himself and more out of disgust for Bernie AND trump.
Agree.
Elizabeth was the cause of her own demise. She constantly went after Bloomberg instead of Bernie. I know she hated Bloomberg because she thought he was trying to buy the election but she hurt her self , Bernie was in her lane and she did not do anything to block him or stop. She will not survive, she was unable to take Massachusetts. EW is a very smart woman but let her hatred of MB took her out of the game, what was she thinking?
Warren went after Bloomberg because she put country ahead of her own self interest. Bloomberg is a toxic, illiberal a-hole who should never be within 1,000 feet of a Democratic primary.
I don’t think it was going after Bloomberg that hurt her, if anything it gave her a boost.
Esmom, I honestly believe that was part of the reason why her campaign was doomed. I’m disappointed she did not went further, but it is what it is. Bloomberg just dropped out and threw his support behind Biden. I would have preferred someone younger but I have to support Biden. We have to get rid of the lying liar.
I also believe Liz will be dropping out soon, very disappointing.
@Bnafn- I think I know what you mean… Bloomberg was never her competition, was never going to be the front-runner, and she “wasted her time” going hard after him instead of Bernie. (Not that anything she said didn’t need to be said.)
I doubt Warren will be on the ballot when my primary comes around (Oregon, and I hate how the primaries are set up and how the late states get little to no say), but I’ll vote for her if she is. I’m glad she took out Bloomberg, at least. Like @Mac said, it needed to be done.
I’ll vote for whoever the nominee is in the general though, even if it’s Sanders, who is my third choice after Biden. I don’t like him much at all, but he’d be leagues better than Trump.
But maybe Bernie’s hardcore base was never going to not vote for him? Not much has changed since 2016, it’s the same people voting for him but it’s not getting any higher. I don’t know what Warren could of said to convince those people..she is the better candidate but I don’t know there was any convincing them. Maybe the 79 year old should of stepped aside and endorsed Warren when he had a heart attack?
Thank goodness Warren went after Bloomberg. She reminded/informed folks outside of New York why he would have been Trump lite. She (and various pundits) stopped what momentum he was getting.
Becks, I think your 1st paragraph is spot on analysis of what happened.
I really like Warren A LOT, but I think eliminating private insurance and “free tuition” was a step to far for a lot of voters.
Biden was leading in South Carolina prior to Clyburn’s endorsement. I believe Biden would have won without the endorsement. The impact, though? The endorsement singled to voters that the party wasn’t abandoning Joe Biden & telling them who to vote for. South Carolina is a conservative state & I doubt it would have went for a progressive. Now Super Tuesday? The rest of endorsements clearly helped Joe but he’s always polled well with older Americans, moderates & African Americans over age 45… according to the polls. Now he’s getting the suburbs & women votes.
I voted in the SC primary. I said on a prior post that Biden was going to win with or without Clyburn’s endorsement so I don’t agree with the assessment I’m seeing that he “delivered” SC for Biden.
I’m also sick of the whole Biden is popular among just “southern blacks” to explain why he won which is code for “uneducated” and “poor”. I find it offensive and insulting.
These Bernie supporters are awful and have shown their racist asses, neglecting the fact that young voters sat this one out and his support has dwindled since the last election. I find him way too divisive.
I agree, BlueSky. SC was always going to go for Biden. But I feel that Clyburn’s endorsement sent momentum Biden’s way and maybe led to the commanding win he had in SC. Then Mayor Pete and Amy Klobuchar suspending their campaigns when they did just added to the Biden momentum.
Clyburn breath life in Joe’s massive win last night, he helped him win other southern states no doubt about it. I hope Biden starts talking about things that young people are interested in, eg, helping with college tuition, opening trade schools for those not inclined to attend college. Years ago if you signed up to give back to poor communities you could get a free education, eg teachers, doctors, nurses. I remember those days, give the government 5 years after graduation, get a free education.
Honestly, I really look to black voters because it is important to me that the nominee is someone they support. They spoke very clearly in SC. Strategy wise, I think a more moderate candidate needs to be the nominee, and minority voters were not supporting Pete or Amy or Bloomberg at all. There is a reason for that, and so I listened.
I do think it is vital that the VP position go to a person of color. Not just for aesthetics, but because if the president themselves isn’t a person of color then they must have someone who will constantly remind them of their blindspots/implicit bias when policy is being formed. We can’t have another administration of all white men.
Booooo! I’m not a fan but I guess it’s better than Trump. He’s so old though, I’d rather have someone younger and female. I feel like there’s reasons why Obama didn’t endorse him. Hillary got so robbed! And Biden is going to win because he’s a mediocre white man. Life is so unfair.
Obama hasn’t endorsed because he shouldn’t at this point.
I can almost guarantee that Obama will only endorse once we have a clear winner.
I agree. Obama knows that the most important thing is to unite the party and beat Trump. He will endorse the clear winner, whoever that might be. That said, there are some indications that ‘friends’ of Obama might has encouraged other candidates to step down and support Biden before Super Tuesday.
Well, St. Bernard has made an ad that shows him and President Obama in various scenarios with voice-overs of Obama saying lovely things about him. It strongly implies that Obama is endorsing Bernie. It’s really sickening. Par for the course for Bernard Sanders, but sickening nonetheless.
One of the people I follow on FB forwarded a white woman’s lamenting tweet about Elizabeth Warren with the comment that white feminists who sat by in silence and watched Kamala get dragged get no sympathy from her when they whine about Elizabeth Warren not getting her due. And Hakeem Jeffries spoke out on twitter today about black voters not being low information.
I think Basura Bernard (trash Bernard) will be scrambling to attach himself to President Obama and I hope that President Obama squishes him the way he squished that fly he caught during an interview.
“Well, St. Bernard has made an ad that shows him and President Obama in various scenarios with voice-overs of Obama saying lovely things about him.” The caucasity of this! Bernard is something else…
I do recall Obama suggesting it was time for a woman.
“white feminists who sat by in silence and watched Kamala get dragged get no sympathy from her when they whine about Elizabeth Warren not getting her due” — Frida_K, I couldn’t agree more!
I honestly hate this narrative that the last rich privileged old white Harvard professor woman standing represents every woman’s struggle.
I am with you. There is absolutely nothing that excites me about Joe Biden. Will I vote for him if he’s the candidate? Sure. Do I think that he is likable or interesting in any way? Nope. His gaffes are out of control. Hopefully he does it on purpose in an attempt to be charming and he really isn’t that forgetful. Also, his family, Hunter in particular, is a hot mess. You can bet your boots that Trump and the Russian bots on Facebook will be spreading all kinds of stories about Joe and Hunter.
I, too, will vote for him regardless of my dislike of him in November, but I’m holding out the hope that maybe, just maybe, his VP pick will be amazing.
I am so surprised. Biden doesn’t seem to be firing on all cylinders. I’ll vote for him, but I would vote for absolutely anyone that isn’t Dump. I mean, everyone is old at this point, but Biden seems… off. I hope to hell he picks a good vp and cabinet.
He’s not what he was four years ago, but I’d rather have Biden’s “off” over whatever Drumpf is serving up.
In TX. Only the Dems had to wait in line when I was voting. There were 3 machines available for the Democratic voters and 8 for Republican. I know it was based on past turnout but it’s still frustrating.
Does that mean more machines in the future for dems if the turnout was so great this year?
I’m in Austin and waited close to 2 hours, but that was due to turnout (a lot of us were kicking ourselves for not taking advantage of early voting) + Travis County has newer paper ballot machines that I figured people would be unfamiliar with if they did not vote last November. I have never encountered separate lines or machines for a primary in Texas.
Separate voting machines too? That seems suspicious…
I’ve never heard of separate voting machines and I’ve lived in 8 different states as an adult. Voting is meant to be private and no one should have to identify themselves like that. Sounds like that should be reported.
Ugh. I’m so depressed about Warren. If Biden selects Stacey Abrams or Kamela as his VP that will be a small consolation but this all still sucks.
I would be shocked if Abrams is veep (not upset just surprised).. She doesn’t bring swing state popularity. I do think it will be a woman. Klobuchar possibly, because she is sharp In debates and can appeal to the rust belt swing voters and also us ladies by at least getting a woman to veep. But we will see.
I’m really hoping Harris or Warren. I like Abrams a lot, but as Kk2 said, I’m concerned that she doesn’t really bring the popularity. Someone (here? Twitter?) said she’d make a great DNC leader and I must say she would.
Honestly, anyone who wouldn’t vote for an old shoe with a ‘D’ on it over Trump deserves to get hit with that shoe.
Warren not even getting her home state is what broke my heart. Talk about a slap in the face, but it goes to show you just how ingrained misogyny really is in this country.
Biden is….not my favorite, but I do think he has a better chance than Sanders in the general election. The stakes are too high right now, and that makes people too afraid to take their chance on hardcore progressive. My fears are more grounded in Congress. Turning that over is the real goal because Mitch McConnell is far and wide the biggest danger to American democracy, not Trump.
I don’t know that you can blame it all on misogyny. It’s not a popular opinion here, but I would not have voted for her in the Dem primary. I am in awe of her intelligence and the work she has done in the Senate. But for me, I strongly disagreed with her stance on eliminating the private option for health insurance. I wouldn’t have voted for Bernie in the primary either.
Not everybody who didn’t vote for Warren did it purely because she’s a woman, but she definitely would not be performing this badly or be so concretely erased from the narrative by the media if she was male. After watching the way Hillary was treated as SoS and in 2016, the way Kamala and other female candidates were treated in the early primary months compared to the men, how Kavanaugh wound up the courts despite repeated conflicts of ethical interest, I no longer pretend it isn’t exactly what it looks like. It isn’t a mistake that in the year 2020 what we have frontlining the Democratic party to take on Trump are two older, white-passing men. That’s a grim reflection of the true state of America and why Trump is even in the position he is. It certainly has nothing to do with quality, experience, or meaningful accomplishment.
She tried to promise too much, like Bernie. If she had stuck with her platform of anti corruption it would have focused her campaign messaging and been more appealing to a broader public. The no private option for health insurance and open borders was going to turn off a lot of independent and moderate voters.
I don’t think it would have mattered either way, to be brutally honest. I hope her campaign learns its lessons and tries again in the future, but I think the pressing issue here is Trump and the fear of four more years. That’s the top concern driving people to the polls. That’s why the vote from POC is rallying behind Biden. There’s no point tiptoeing around the reality that most people view an experienced, older white man with moderate views that have just enough progressive touch (healthcare reform) and the history of a popular Democratic administrative behind as the surer bet. I called it after 2016 that Trump would find himself facing a white (or white passing in Bernie’s case) man in 2020 precisely for that reason. I don’t blame anyone for the direction where this vote went. Disappointed, yes, but I get it. Nobody was going to bank on Warren or Harris after watching what happened to Hillary in 2016.
Bernie Sanders campaigned heavily here in Massachusetts, his surrogates boasting that they were going to steal Warren’s home state from her. He held a rally on Boston Common Saturday and had people roaming the streets of Boston the last few days carrying Bernie signs everywhere. Biden didn’t campaign here at all and won handily, pretty much across every demographic.
Warren supporters are switching to Biden. Bernie bros calling for her to drop out to clear the lane for Sanders haven’t been paying attention.
And by doing so, they are pushing her supporters towards Biden. They spent all last week calling her a snake and now they’re begging her to help him.
This x 1,000
I wonder if Warren is going to give her delegates to Sanders after his fans attacked her more viciously than Biden’s?
Creepy Uncle Joe is my least favorite choice, I am so disappointed it is coming to this ( was hoping for Mayor Pete ), but I can get behind a Joe/Kamala or Joe/Stacy ticket, let’s hope they don’t mess up and hand the Presidency to Agent Orange.
Part of me wanted Mayor Pete or VP, not now, Super Tuesday changed that, we need a qualified female VP and there are two great candidates.
Pete was pick of the moderates. At least he’s young and can speak without sending me to google looking up dementia symptoms.
I’m a speech pathologist who works on a memory unit. Biden doesn’t exhibit dementia symptoms but Trump looks like every dementia patient I’ve ever treated.
Creepy Joe? Are you sure you’re not a GOPer, since you’re talking like one?
Because I voted for Elizabeth Warren, my sister did her research yesterday and voted for her as well. She used to like Bernie’s ideas but now sees that he is just an old man yelling at clouds. I am proud to be one of the people who voted for EW last night. If she can’t get the nomination this time I sincerely hope that she considers a second run in the future. You know, if climate change hasn’t destroyed everything.
LMAO at “old man yelling at clouds.”
I feel the same about Warren!
Then you’ve done no research & shouldn’t proudly exclaim that fact.
Warren would make a very fine president in any country on this planet. She’s solid.
@Wisca +1
I’m a proud Warren voter, too!
I voted for Warren in my primary a couple of weeks ago (before Biden’s resurgence after the SC primary). Frankly, I’m just relieved that Biden is making a real showing and I’m hoping he can outpace Sanders. Back when I cast my vote, everything was so up in the air. I’m rooting for a Kampala VP pick.
My family has three generations of women activists who are disappointed in every election cycle we don’t have a woman as president.
California voters are part of the problem we have long lines. WTH, vote by mail. Easy enough to fill out the ballot the day of the primary and either hand it off to an election worker, or a polling place. The ballot will be counted. In LA they had curbside drop offs. The only issue I noted on the news were a few ballot machines were offline and repaired.
As of early this am, Sanders is leading Biden. Too early to call, ballots to be counted over the next few weeks in CA.
I’m hoping for Biden and Klobuchar to be the runners in the P race.
They didn’t mail out ballots to millions of people, there was an error. (I was one of those people who didn’t receive my vote-by-mail envelope). Additionally, they cut the number of polling locations down from more than 4,000 to less than 1000!!!! That is INSANE and the reason for the long lines.
They had many days of early voting, but in a volatile primary campaign, many people don’t vote early because they make up their minds last minute.
My area didn’t have curbside drop off. You had to find parking in very crowded area, go inside, cut a line of hundreds of people, and give your envelope to a person sitting next to a black box. Curbside would have been wonderful! But alas, I couldn’t do that anyway because I didn’t get mail in ballot.
America isn’t ready for a female president and I fear even a female VP. I as a woman wish it were a different world, but it was obvious during Hillary’s campaign how misogynistic and sexist even other female Americans are towards a woman running for office.
I liken this phenomenon to those women, you all have met them, who want to cut you down when you have something good going on in your life: new love, career is going well, inherited money, you are genuinely happy etc etc. Until our society as women changes where we uplift one another rather than cut one another down, we will continue to have this cycle. I don’t think it is exclusively because of men that women are like this either. I have met several alpha females who do not want their man to have female friends or relatives nearby and want to be the only one in their lives. As a daughter, my mother did this and continues to do this repeatedly. I am an only child and she has admitted she feels like a love rival towards me with my father and felt similar with my grandmother and my father as well!
When I have my primary election in my state, I’m voting for Warren if she’s still in the game at that point.
That said – people feel comfortable with Biden. He’s familiar, he has experience as Obama’s right hand. Is he as progressive as I would like? No. I agree much more with the views of Warren and Sanders. But we were sent back into the dark ages with Trump. I think we need to take small steps to get to a place where America will feel comfortable voting for a true progressive (if ever – our electorate system sucks and we may never see that day).
Biden is leaps and bounds better than Trump. There’s no comparison, even if I’m not a fan. If he chooses a VP well, we just might have hope.
I was seriously considering sitting this primary out. But I have decided next Tuesday to cast my vote for Biden.
Yes, “Things will stay fundamentally the same” Biden while a global health crises rages on as our healthcare system is woefully ill equipped to deal with it.
Sounds like a good idea.
Go whine and complain about your candidate not doing well last night somewhere else.
We need someone who isn’t Trump in office. We need to get the GOP out, now. That should be the one and only goal right now. If the answer is Biden, that’s a-ok with me. I consider myself a progressive who loves people like AOC for how they’re pushing for America to catch up with other progressive countries that take better care of their citizens. But realistically, we’re not going to jump from Trump to Bernie. The gap is too wide. We need a stepping stone in between before we can truly move forward.
You want healthcare reform, work on flipping the Senate to blue and keeping it blue for the indefinite future. The president can’t do shit without a Congress backing them. Something as massive as healthcare reform is going to need decades to pass and implement, and it’ll never get off the ground with an entire party trying to undermine it at every turn.
Too many Americans are poisoned into believing that universal healthcare is crap to line the pockets of big Pharma. Most people aren’t even aware how brainwashed they are until they live abroad, msyelf included, been living in Canada 8 years now. You want healthcare reform, keep Senate blue and inform the average American what they ahve been told has been a pack of lies. Only then will we see true change.
You said you were gonna leave, why are you still here, J?
You said you were leaving J, why you lie
V V, don’t sit it out! We need to get Stain of the Earth Trump out of office and I think that every vote cast away from his direction sends a message.
Okay…I know I’ll get bashed for saying this, but here goes. First off, Elizabeth Warren is my choice. I think she’s smart, has good policy and the balls needed to take on big business and clean up Trump & Company’s mess. However, the pragmatist in me says the U.S. just isn’t there yet to elect a woman or a gay person (sorry Pete). Kamala, Cory, Yang just didn’t have what it takes either….they weren’t ready IMO. Unfortunately, the U.S. electorate has grown more conservative and it really does need to move to the left and embrace more progressive ideas. But Bernie Sanders is not the one to do that. Bernie comes across as an angry old man who in reality is not a Democrat and shouldn’t be running on the Dem platform. And, honestly, Bernie’s religion would be held against him by the crazy Evangelical right (remember, the Jews killed Jesus…crazy I know). For me, as an African American, there will never be an ideal candidate that fully represents me or my community and that will actively work on our behalf. So, what we’re left with, time and time again is a decision to be pragmatic and elect the individual who will do the least harm. My community deals with the reality of the world as it is and how it treats us. And for us, it’s about what will be best for all of us, not just some of us. Reality is we need to retain the House and if at all possible retake the Senate. Nothing changes or moves forward without those two legislative bodies and so we have to weigh the odds on who best to make that happen. We don’t have the luxury of voting for someone who we know can’t deliver on the lofty ideals they espouse (even though those ideals really are what we should be striving for as a nation). But the U.S. is too fractured with too much racism and pettiness and greed to come together to do what’s best for all of us. Its citizens have been brainwashed and minds poisoned into always voting against their own best interest cause it will harm the “others” more. I don’t have an answer for how to fix the mess the U.S. has become. I just pray that we get there someday…together.
Great, well-thought our commentary!!! I agree with everything you wrote. Astute observations all-around. We are not ready for anything different at this point. We are craving stability and safety.
It does bum me out so much that EW got beat so bad though. Ugh,
All of this!
Not bashing you; applauding you.
Very well said, Guest.
Totally agree. The one who will do the least harm is a great way to put it, for a lot of us.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Well said Guest. This is a big picture moment. In the big picture we need Trump gone or the country is in serious trouble. You make such good points. People are so brainwashed that they Will vote against their own interest so screw anyone else’s interest. I hope the sheer numbers needed to override this will intro to get Trump out. Long term there is a lot of healing that needs to be done.
Excellent comment, could not agree more.
Totally agree Guest! Also, the primaries are not over so I’ve got my fingers crossed for Warren.
I love Elizabeth Warren and feel sad that she isn’t getting the votes. I will vote for Biden because I feel with so many things happening in this country we need someone that will be ready on day one. People forget how much Obama/Biden accomplished during the 8 years they worked together. This country was a complete mess when George W. left office.
I voted Biden yesterday.
IMO, best case in this election….Biden wins, calls up the best of the old Obama/Biden team and gets to actual, reasonable, thinking work. ASAP.
Dem POTUS and a majority count of Dems in Senate = pick any top #3 problem areas and get to work!
I am not a church person but a dear friend is convinced Trump will bring on the end days.
Look around, hard to argue that logic….The Orange One must be stopped.
I was thinking about this, too. Biden isn’t my favorite — any chance he could run for re-election in 2024 when he’s 82 freaking years old?!? — but I like that he’ll have connections to a very experienced team of democrats who can come and rebuild a White House and government that have been decimated with inexperience and ineptitude under Trump. Not sure Sanders could do the same.
I thought I read somewhere that he said he would be a one term president just to get Trump out. A capable young VP is key for his ticket.
I can’t imagine he would run for reelection should he win. How do you think he’s just hoping to oust Dump.
Warren is my candidate of choice, but I do like the idea of Biden bringing back in a lot of good people. Right now there are tons of jobs empty, departments headed by temporary people, and other departments headed by people with no experience or qualifications. Just getting good people back into so many of those jobs would be a huge improvement for the country.
Biden/Warren 2020
(I’d rather Warren/Buttigieg but this country is not ready for that)
I like Biden/Abrams 2020, Abrams will help me soften by stance on Biden. Also maybe Kamala for something meaty like Secy of State.
I voted for Warren in VA yesterday, but watching that clip of Jill Biden and Symone Sanders taking out a couple of protesters who tried to rush Joe last night made me think *they’re* a Biden/Sanders ticket I could easily support!
Those two women were awesome. And if I’m not mistaken, wasn’t Symone Sanders on Bernie’s campaign four years ago. Jill Biden is a phenomenal, hard-working woman and would restore some dignity and integrity to the East Wing of the White House.
Yes, Symone was on Bernie’s campaign in 2016. I really like her and I was amazed at her courage last night. It was so selfless.
What I can’t get over is that they were VEGAN protesters against DAIRY industry. Like, if you’re bold enough to rush a primary election stage, I can think of some much bigger and prescient issues to bring to attention there.
Yeah, if I might go to jail for a stunt like that, it’s not going to be over diary!?!
Bernie continues to disrespect black voters, and like 4 years ago, he continues to not have the black votes to help him win the primary! Besides, his policies are nothing but empty promises, and black and older voters knows to research all he’s accomplished (or lack therof) in the 30 years he’s been a politician! He may be able to fool some of the young hopefuls, but not the experienced and tired-of-the-bs boomers, gen-Xers, and older millennials!!🤷🏾♀️
I saw some of the young, Black Berniebros trashing the “old, Southern Blacks” who voted for Biden, vowing they’d show them when their states voted. JFC, these “old, Southern Blacks” lived through Jim Crow a large part of their lives, they saw friends and relatives suffer, they don’t have time for pie in the sky that would likely see the re-election of POSOTUS. Have these young ones had a dialogue with the older voters or just drunk deeply of Bernie’s kool-aid?
“Old Southern Blacks”….just, wow. Floridian here. I lived and worked in St. Augustine for three years and actually met one of the women who to this day is permanently scarred on her face and body due to acid being poured on her in a swimming pool when she was just a child in 1964–courtesy of the racist motel manager where the pool was located. To imply that someone like her’s vote is meaningless is disgraceful. Cannot stand the Bernie bros.
I’m sad about Elizabeth as well, but she still has my vote. I think Biden would have won South Carolina regardless of Clyburn’s endorsement. I don’t think many people who aren’t from the South understand how conservative southern blacks (especially older ones like my parents) actually are. They were never going to vote for Bernie. I don’t get why many haven’t supported Elizabeth, other than maybe thinking she can’t beat Trump, which really sucks.
Biden > Sanders
I’m so torn. I thought I was going to vote for Warren and even marked my ballot as such, but still haven’t mailed in my ballot. Now I’m thinking I should vote for Biden because my vote will be wasted if/when she drops out.
And that’s what’s frustrating to me about Pete and Amy dropping out so close to Super Tuesday. A ton of people might had already mailed in their ballots voting for them and those votes could have gone to someone else.
I loathe Biden. He’s sexist, inappropriate, a neoliberal candidate who is all about big corporate protections. Will I vote for him in the primary? Hell yes, because four more years of the orange menace could actually, truly turn us into a dictatorship. He would see reelection as a sign that Americans want him to be king. He already behaves like a king, and we’ve learned the hard way that our institutions and norms have not been the bulwark against autocracy that we thought they could be.
I voted for Warren in Texas. I’m heartbroken that she lost so thoroughly and I think partly it’s a skittish Dem electorate who’s afraid the a smart woman would lose again, and the fear of a 2016 repeat is pushing people away from her.
I would much prefer Sanders to Biden. Sanders is not even actually far enough left for me (nor is Warren). But his policies and ideas are very far from the capitalism-loving, big money Biden’s.
Also. I don’t actually have confidence that Biden can beat 45. The youth vote will be waaaaay down, because it feels like Establishment betrayal. Again.
I’ve never been a fan of Bernie the man, and frankly, I hate populism in any form. If Bernie lovers are obsessive and behave like they’re in a cult of personality, that does no good for democracy, which is an Enlightenment phenomenon that depends on reason and my emotion to succeed. It’s a fragile thing, as we’ve learned.
Struggling to stay positive this morning. I’m so so so so so f*$king exhausted from all the old white men. I wish they all would go away.
*reason and NOT emotion to succeed
Ugh need more coffee
I hear you, Lindy, and I agree that the youth are not fired up about Biden the way they are about Bernie. I feel like they get it, though, that Trump is harmful and if Joe is the nominee they will vote for him. Major GOTV efforts will have to be deployed, though, for that demographic in particular.
Apparently, the young voters did not turn out for Bernie yesterday. Analysis of the vote showed their percentages were down in every area, even his home state. Imo, can’t depend on them turning out for him 11/3, either.
I really hate that our choices are down to two geriatrics on our side and a certifiably insane megalomaniac on the other side. We had so many good, worthy challengers at the start. I think if we were running against Jeb or Mitt people would be more willing to take a chance. In this perilous time, though, it’s “who’s the safest bet? Who can beat trump?”
So much of a good administration relies on the team that is built around a president and his program. Warren good make a good president, Biden will have access to great people to rebuild US government, while Bernard is already surrounded by uglyness and pettyness during his campaign, so one can guess how his cabinet choices would turn out… There’s a good chance, with Biden, that some of those worthy challangers will end in the right place inside the federal government and that will be a solid stepping stone for their future candidacies (since they’re all younger)
The youth vote didn’t bother to turn out yesterday, so let’s not count on them for November, either.
I’ve been voting since I was 18 and just now in my late thirties does it feel like my peers have aged into voting, too.
And the Bernie Bros and Broettes are raging all over twitter, vowing never to vote for Biden no matter what. One jerk who went on and on about her progressiveness said she voted for Bush in 2004 because her choice didn’t get the Dem nom. She said she’ll vote trump in November if St. Bern is “robbed” and “cheated” out of the nomination. Pathetic. And she’s not the only one.
I voted for EW yesterday, but I’m not crazy, not selfish, just sad our choices are down to where they are. #Votestraightblue2020.
Jerusha, this truly does terrify me. We need every vote in November. It’s why I’m so skeptical of populism. It depends on irrational emotions and it’s always dangerous and a bad strategy for long term.
I cannot understand why younger people would vote for four more years, which will undoubtedly result in horrible consequences that will take years (at best) to undo. This is a pivotal election, not a time to “bite-nose-to-spite-face” exercise.
The childish stamp your feet and pout and cry if you don’t get your way response.
I am 39. Those in my age group: 30’s and 40’s feel forgotten. Massive student loan debt, low wages, credit card debt, healthcare debt etc. No one but Bernie is speaking for them and they feel Bernie is unelectable because he is too “socialist” for middle America. So a lot sat out the last election and will sit out again. I don’t agree and vote every election. I try to persuade others to vote, but some are convinced that it won’t get better no matter who is in office. The sense of disillusionment is great.
Take heed these powerful women, Warren, Harris, Klobuchar, Abrams. All are garnering attention and they will continue to be political faces and our future.
Joe needs to be in office. He will unify a suffering, angry and confused America, (How in hell did we find ourselves with a Roy Cohn criminal as president?)
With a woman as VP, who is both present and given responsibility it’s the next step up to a woman as president. Joe has a lovely, intelligent, supportive wife and actually does like women. Unlike, blah and blah.
As a Californian I watched Kamala rise quickly from prosecutor to AG and Senator. She was dynamo at the Dem hearings. Personal favorite. But I would fully support any and all of these women.
Wonder who he’ll pick as VEEP? I think someone from a swing state but Kamala and Stacy are good choices even though they aren’t from swing states (Cali went to Bernie so maybe Kamala can swing some of those voters back to Biden? Wishful thinking probably)
If not VEEP I think Kamala will probably get AG. In fact I see a lot of the candidates who didn’t get the nomination will get some sort of cabinet position/ambassadorship
It’s gonna be Kamala. She endorsed him right away! I have a feeling…
I think they had a meet8mg very early on to that effect. I am okay with that, though my Warren supporting heart is crushed she didn’t win. Warren/Harris Harris/Warren was my dream ticket.
Remember that Vice President Biden stuttered badly as a child. He’s said that he still struggles with it today at times. I think some of these so-called gaffes are a part of that. He’s an intelligent man and it has to be frustrating when it happens.
He lost his first wife and their daughter in a car wreck. He lost his oldest son to cancer. His empathy is one of the things that draws people to him. He’s a mensch.
If President Obama thought enough of him and his character, “gaffes” and all, to make him his Vice President, that’s good enough for me.
AMEN!!!!
Bloomberg is out. He’s throwing his support to Biden. He is also planning to pay his staff through November so I would expect more ads eviscerating Trump.
I can’t stand the dude, but hey, if he wants to throw money at taking down Trump, I’m cool with that. Carry on!
His advertising game is spot on. His ads play several times per day in my heavily red area.
He came to our region, too, which is usually ignored by Dems running for the office. The local news claimed protestors were “lined up” along the roadway outside the rally location. When actual video was shown, that “line” was only four people.
All the adds, please!
A pretty funny article-Nevertrumper Republicans in a quandary about what to do if Bernie gets the nom. Vote for a Socialist🥺or for trump😩.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/03/never-trump-maybe-bernie-118981
Biden is not my candidate but I will support him if he gets the nomination. I hope the same goes for Bernie and his Bros and he doesn’t leave Joe hanging like he did Hillary and his followers likely to stay home and not vote.
This made me burst out laughing.
https://twitter.com/philippereines/status/1235227419033972737?s=21
That’s a great one. I enjoy Philippe Reine’s account.
That was brilliant! I’m at work or I would have LOL’d, too!
Hahah that is great
I think Warren made a mistake by only going after Bloomberg in the last two debates. She basically said she and Bernie were pretty much the same and then continued going after Bloomberg. Bloomberg wasn’t her competition, Bernie was. When she aligned herself with Bernie, there was no reason for people to drop Bernie and move over to her camp. Her strategy did not make sense.
I think she knew her numbers and took Bloomberg out so Biden could shine. Long may she wave, Warren saved our bacon from Bloomberg. I certainly don’t care for Biden, but he’s better than Bloomberg.
More than half of California’s population votes by mail and the state is committed to counting every single vote. As long as ballots were postmarked by yesterday and are received by the 6th, they matter and will be counted- even if it takes a few weeks. THAT is the reason why it’s still too early to call California a win for anyone. I think Warren will make a strong showing here to the ire of the Bernie Bro’s.
I’m for a Biden/Warren ticket. Though I chose Biden, it does make me sad for kids. Your first political ideal and candidate are like first love and can break your heart.
Shameful, just absolutely shameful.
https://twitter.com/phillipanderson/status/1235114433371713536?s=21
You can’t say Bernie supporters aren’t gracious losers.
https://twitter.com/ab_synthia2/status/1235224914665361409?s=21
If you’re not voting for a candidate with the most progressive policies because some of his supporters are obnoxious upstarts, then you’re not really progressive. Personally I think those kids have every right to be mad, even if I don’t think they should direct their anger at Warren or those who voted for her.
I was for Bernie 25 years ago because his views reflected mine, but I’m not voting for Bernie now because he seems to be as much of a my way or the highway guy as trump. And he has no chance against trump. This America we currently live in will not elect him. You want to condemn marginalized people to another four years of hell? The Bros are just the icing on the cake. At this point too many of them are crowing that they won’t vote if their guy is not the nom.
No, I’m not happy Biden will be the nominee, likely. My candidate is Elizabeth Warren, but I will vote Blue no matter who 11/3/20. And I wasn’t on SM shrieking and crying because she didn’t win. But thanks for the lecture. I feel so chagrinned
PS It would serve their cause better if those kids would start building a base. Start running for city councils, school boards, mayor, state Rep and Senator. Do it nationwide and build a party instead of coming out every four years to act as spoilers.
The candidate with the most progressive policies Is Warren, not Bernard. Kids, as you call them, need to grow the fuck up. But some of those “kids” are also campaign staff, and for them to behave like this is inexcusable.
Tommy Vietor on EW. https://twitter.com/tvietor08/status/1235246591251865600?s=21
Warren has never been my pick (#teamKamala), but I voted for her because 1) She’s the best qualified 2) She best represents some of my key issues 3) I’m so damn mad that we’re gonna be stuck with a bunch of 70-something white dudes, as usual. She is the smartest, best prepared, most eager and earnest one out there, but gets completely ignored. Feels like my whole fucking career. I feel ya, Liz.
I hope this gives you all the same hope it gave me…
I live in a upper middle class deeply red county in a suburb of Dallas that is growing like crazy due to all the corporations moving nearby (State Farm, Toyota, Pizza Hut, Frito-Lay, Keurig…). We have dusty old politicians/council members in my city who have been sitting pretty and mostly going unchallenged for decades so our voting stations were (of course) fully functional and running like a well oiled machine. The voter turn out last night was nothing short of amazing. Lots of POC (many who were 1st time voters), young people and white older volunteers and voters who (I know this is sh*tty, but I know my hood, ya’ll) “looked” like typical conservatives who were actually Dems or voting Dem for the first time. Everyone was so kind to each other and we were all squeezing in and being cooperative to allow every person in line into the building bc right at 7PM the doors were supposed to shut and no one else would be allowed in to vote. WE DID IT! We were like sardines but we did it! There were donuts and bottled waters being passed out and we were all making friends in the line. There was a separate line for Repubs who were there to vote on local items and every few minutes the volunteers would clear the path to allow them to cut through the crowd to enter their (very short) line. We would all STARE at them when they walked by and I know they felt the heat. No one was impolite or even unkind, but it was like they were forced to look into the faces of the people their disgusting leader, who they adore, constantly dehumanizes. “LOOK AT US! WE ARE YOUR NEIGHBORS, TEACHERS OF YOUR CHILDREN, BUYERS OF YOUR DAUGHTER’S GIRL SCOUT COOKIES AND WE HELP YOU LOOK FOR YOUR MISSING DOG” Many looked embarrassed and kept their gaze down as they walked through, some were looking around the room and looked straight up FRIGHTENED, and not gonna lie, it was WONDERFUL to make them face what they stand for.
My stepson voted for the first time and brought 2 friends with him and I was so proud bc at 19 that kiddo doesn’t give a sh*t about anything but he cared about this. I know he’s not so popular around here but the majority (at my voting center) were there for Bernie but ALL that I spoke to were committed to voting for whoever won the Democratic nomination. I felt like we all realized this was not the time to be petty and stay home if our candidate lost, there’s so much at stake. There were many times when I looked around the room and had to hold back tears. We in Texas backed the hell out of Beto against Cruz (even though we believe the R’s cheated to get that Blobfish to win) but this was bigger. I feel so hopeful, almost like when Obama was running and its not even for any candidate in particular but for the unity we are forming in a super red county to defeat evil and to protect each other.
This is the area I live in, in case anyone is curious:
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/2019-02-08/corporations-move-in-to-north-texas-suburbs
That’s beautiful! Thank you for sharing!
Thanks for this.
Yay!!!! I am so encouraged by this!
That is so awesome thank you for sharing this story with us
Ridin’ with Biden!!
It is so effing disheartening that it’s just old white men as far as the eye can see. The erasure of Elizabeth Warren feels so personal — it represents every time me and my female colleagues have been spoken over in a meeting, every time our professional opinions have been ignored until it comes out of the mouth of a white guy, every time a man who doesn’t know what the heck he’s doing just takes over.
Ugh.
UGH.
YEP.
It’s a shame y’all don’t have Single Transferable Vote for your primaries. Would be such a better system that would get a real majority preference.
Was listening to some of the day after punditry and a few good points made. Agree with some, not all. Warren will probably drop out ( sad) but what she did accomplish was knocking out Bloomberg and shredding him in debates and his record on women and LGBTQ people. Biden drove the increased turn out but he’s still the same old rambling Biden, so need to improve outreach, focus and messaging, especially to young and Hispanic voters, who Sanders actually reached out to. Also, a lot of a Biden moderates want a return to “ normalcy“. There has already been a radical choice in the White House, Trump, so some people don’t want to do it twice, even if it’s on the left wing. All those people sour about Bernie’s loss, but he hasn’t expanded much beyond his usual base and actually got less votes than in 2016. Also praising Castro just looked crazy, like WTF Bernie? Don’t blame older black voters for not voting for him, blame him for not getting their trust. He’s had since 2016. Also, never rely on younger voters for turnout. Both Biden and Sanders are too old so their veep pick is very important. Seriously hope Biden does not pick Klobuchar. She doesn’t bring anyone with her so he needs to be more strategic. Can’t imagine who Sanders would pick. Still a lot of races to be decided so it’s far from over. Both these old guys need to up their game, especially in debates and outreach.
Will add, to give Biden credit where credit is due, Biden did come out in support of same sex marriage before Obama did, in fact probably pushed him on it. Also, the whole Ukraine thing is already out there, so hope he has a response to it and can use it against Trump. Don’t underestimate him yet.
I’m super pissed that Bernie and Joe entered this election. They’re old, out of touch, and unelectable imo. Now, Elizabeth Warren could have taken this thing home, and she got buried by Bernie bro’s. Effing hell.
Joe stepped forward because of Bernie, who had promissed he wouldn’t run in 2020 (he lied).
Here in Houston you could go to seperte locations to vote Democrat or Republican, now it’s the same place.😒Where I voted there was check in for both.
I’m so puzzled by this…separate voting for Democrats/Republicans. How does this work? Where I am, regardless of party affiliation we all use the same polling places and same machines. You just vote for your candidate whether R or D or I.
People that vote for Biden craze a return to normalcy that is no longer possible after years of the cult of Trump.
We must move forward and Biden isn’t that.
It’s just the same old same and it’s going to get us another 4 years of Trump.
Anything is better than Trump! The bar is set so low, we can only go up from here!
I am voting for Biden because my husband and I paid for our children’s college. We sacrificed because we know the importance of a good education.
We did not have the opportunity to go to college so we prioritized and sacrificed so that we could make sure they were not going to be in debt.
I do not believe in Student Loan forgiveness. It is not a reality. Students should be able to consolidate at low interest rates and I believe Community College should be free for all students. I know Joe isn’t a lot of people’s first choice but I am looking forward to having some stability and dignity back in the WH
Noooooooo
I thought joementum died with the Liberman campaign.
No way will Stacy Abrahams be VP. Joe will pick Amy Klobuchar