CNN conducted a poll soon after Bernie Sanders suspended his campaign this week. While it’s only April and everything is on fire, the numbers are looking pretty good for Joe Biden? By that I mean, almost everyone believes Biden is the guy. Everybody except… dudes. Although the dude-split was nowhere near as huge as the chasm with female voters.
More women would rather see former Vice President Joe Biden get elected in the 2020 election than President Donald Trump, according to data from a CNN/SSRS poll released Thursday. Women surveyed overwhelmingly gave Biden their political support with 62 percent saying they would vote for Biden if the election were held today. Trump was behind by 30 points at 32 percent.
Men chose Trump to continue into his second term as president although the margins were closer. While 51 percent of the men surveyed supported Trump, 44 percent gave their support to Biden—a difference of only 7 percent. Overall, the poll showed that Biden held a lead over Trump. Biden received 53 percent of the support of those polled, leaving Trump with 42 percent of the voters surveyed inclined to vote for him.
More from CNN: “Biden holds an edge over Trump as more trusted to handle several key issues, including the response to the coronavirus outbreak (52% to 43%), health care (57% to 39%) and helping the middle class (57% to 38%).” Which… makes me believe that even though everything is on fire and we’re in the middle of a once-in-a-century pandemic and Donald Trump is literally the worst f–king Nazi ever, the actual presidential election will be sort of standard Democrat-vs-Republican. The Democrat always does better with women and always has better numbers on health care and middle-class issues.
Meanwhile, for weeks there’s been a lot of hand-wringing about how Biden is being drowned out by Trump’s daily “briefings” but guess what? Trump’s poll numbers are tanking BECAUSE of those makeshift Nazi rallies. The NY Times has a story about how Republicans are quietly growing disconcerted with Trump’s daily performances and they think (correctly) that because Trump is putting himself front-and-center (because he’s a narcissist and he can’t help himself), he’ll be blamed for everything corona-related in the eyes of voters. Which is good stuff, because it ACTUALLY IS HIS FAULT. Basically, Republicans are like “whoa, we might be blamed for a bad economy, a terrible reaction to a global pandemic and our unhinged racism, get out of town!”
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I don’t trust it, sorry.
Young people didn’t show up for Bernie despite saying they would, I’m not getting excited thinking they’ll do it in November for Biden. I’m going into 2020 with the grim consideration he could still take it.
Please let’s not have a defeated outlook, we can beat Trump in November by pointing out to everyone what a disastrous lying fraud he is. Many of Sanders’ supporters were Russian bots anyway.
I’m not assuming he’s going to lose. I’m just not letting myself get lulled into a sense of safety like so many people did in 2016. I am staying vigilant, deciding what I need to do for either outcome, and definitely preparing for the reality that Republicans are absolutely attempting a coup.
Agreed. This pandemic seems to really be opening eyes to Trump’s insanity and incompetence. Also, I volunteer with inner city high school kids, many of whom loved Bernie but know that they need to vote for Biden to get rid of Trump, which they will happily do.
The youth vote is always sadly low though, that’s not going to be the demographic that carries Biden over the finish line. I would hope that would change now, with these younger adults seeing what Trump has done, but the primaries sure didn’t reflect that. Hopefully in the general. I think Biden’s VP selection could help with that.
Already Trump is making moves to try to halt the November election. State I’m in wants to go to total mail in ballot for June primary and Trump is trying to block enlarging mail in voting. Trump is using the pandemic to try to mess with the election and —- terrifyingly —- the Senate and the Supreme Court seem poised to back him. I fear we are heading towards a dictatorship. Our government is supposed to function as a powerful triangle which checks and balances each other. We’ve seen how Trump controls the Senate, I think we’re going to see the Supreme Court show itself to be about politics and not the lifelong upholding of the law they are supposed to represent. They are lifelong appointments because they are supposed to be above petty politics and if they fail that, the country is in deep deep shit.
Can’t do it. Be REALLY thankful the Dems have control of the House.
https://www.vox.com/2020/3/21/21188152/trump-cancel-november-election-constitution-coronavirus
Correct me if I’m wrong, but election postponement or no, Trump’s term ends January 20th, 2021, right? Like if there’s no vote, he still has to leave office. The only way he doesn’t is if he wins an election. So if there’s election, on Jan. 21st, it’s still bye bye Trump/Pence and hello President Pelosi (if there’s no election, she’s next in line).
That’s my understanding. But maybe I’m wrong? I can’t see the SCOTUS backing any move to change that constitutional process.
@Rapunzel – would that mean that Pelosi would then become president? I’m Canadian and don’t have a detailed handle on US politics but I read that if the election is cancelled the Speaker steps in as fearless leader effective Jan. 20/21?
except that Pelosi, along with ALL 435 House members are up for reelection. the highest ranking member of congress who is NOT up for reelection is Chuck Grassley in the Senate. however, there are a LOT of Senate seats up for reelection, too, so if the election isn’t held, it comes down to who’s got more numbers in the Senate.
so…Pat Leahy?…
Can’t do it as it is against the constitution.
No one turns out for the fire-eaters and the dreamers. They’ll hold rallies and paint their names on signs, but they won’t turn up on polling day. They’re much more likely to turn up for the dull and dependable – because such individuals are a safe bet.
@Andrew’s Nemesis Great reply
VOTE VoTE and Vote Blue.
It’s gonna be bad. Trump is already trying to get rid of any oversight as people are focused on Corona. He has Barr shilling for him and ready to use the law to do it. The hanging chad will be a short commercial if Trump does not win. He will reopen the country on May 1 because he needs a path to win November. Republicans are out in en masse today calling for Fauci resignation, a new Corona task force that is Trump-friendly etc..
I hope Biden pick VP soon and let’s get this moving. We need Warren and her plans!
Yes! Warren for Veep and highlight her pandemic preparedness and prevention plans. She’ll eat CoronaCzar Pence for breakfast.
Honestly if he picked her I would be so unreasonably happy. I would celebrate, cheers to myself with champagne alone in my house, dance naked in front of the windows….i just really pray Biden does not fuck this up, I pray the youth votes, the minorities vote, everyone votes and I pray it’s a blue blue blue blue (party win) for November.
Warren! Warren Warren Warren! WAAAAAARRRRREEENNNNNNNNNNN!!!
If only!
In the states that count? I’m not relaxing until his fat orange ass is waddling down the White House steps Jan 20, 2021.
And waddling into an orange jumpsuit and handcuffs to match his fake tan and then into jail.
Tin foil hat theory: Trump will wait till sh– really hits the fan then toss Pence under the bus and replace him with another running mate so he can blame all the mistakes of Pence come election time. Trump says the word, and his followers will believe it. Watch it happen.
I could see that. But I’m not convinced it will help Trump much, if at all.
It will be Nikki Haley.
Nikki Haley has been pushing for it for over a year.
Yep. I’m positive this will happen.
Trump is sh!t scared of Biden and thats why he’s been trying to destroy him from the get go – watch Trump go into meltdown over this, he does NOT like it with other people get better polls numbers than he does.
Yeah, his rant that “Obama hasn’t endorsed him cause he knows something shady” was particularly hilarious. He knows Obama’s endorsement carries weight.
And when Obama does endorse him, Ol’ Dumpy will be crying “Obama doesn’t matter anyway!”
Lucy2- yep. Or “this just proves Biden will be an Obama third term!”
I wouldn’t put it past him trying the “third term” nonsense, not understanding how many people would love a third term Obama right about now.
The only poll that matters is the one the day after election day.
VOTE! Encourage everyone you know to vote.
If your state doesn’t have mail-in voting, go after your state representatives, state senators, secretary of state, and governor to make it happen.
YES. VOTE. For the love of all that is holy, vote, and vote blue.
Voting by mail is awesome – I’ve been doing it a few years, even though I’m lucky to live in an area with easily accessible polling locations. I get a ballot delivered for every single election, so I never miss an local ones anymore. VBM helped flipped my district to blue in 2018 also.
Postcards to Voters is a great way to encourage VBM, and check other groups in your state. I have a pile of 200 post cards waiting for me to start working on this weekend!
Seriously, these kinds of articles make me nervous as hell. You don’t think plenty of people “protest voted” in 2016 because they saw Hillary pulling ahead? I don’t trust this country to make any right decisions.
I especially don’t trust my fellow white women, who helped push Trump over the finish line.
So sad but true. 2016…. Brexit referendum… 2019 English election…
And in 2019 here in Australia too, where we voted back in the incumbent financially, politically, ethically and morally corrupt conservative goverrnment too. The polls pointed to a Labor Party victory and instead our resident happy clapper PM, who literally disappeared to Hawaii during our recent bushfire crisis and has a cabinet of exploitative, self-serving, bff-with-their-mining-lobbyists miscreants, was voted back in.
This is the part that scared me – people see these numbers and figure it’s a done deal – either they don’t have to be pushed into voting for him when they don’t want to or they don’t have to vote because they think after everything a Democratic victory is a foregone conclusion and it is not. This is where voter laziness butts up against people on the left stupidly assuming that people play by rules even though the past 4 years have been bludgeoning us with the reality that this is not the case.
45 and the GOP have no intention of leaving office without a fight, so Democratic leadership better step up and start outplaying him at his own game. It’s hard when the opposition is cheating every chance they get, but this too important to be dismissive or complacent about.
Biden should spend a considerable amount of time reaching out to the shining stars of the party, he should be reaching out to his former competitors and talking about how he wants to tap into their energy to revitalize the party and move it forward. He needs to find a good split of telling people what he will do for them and also holding the present administration accountable for every slip up, but not make that the sole focus. For every f*ck up, counter it with, this is what *I* will do if we find ourselves in this position again.
But it absolutely cannot be the idea that we don’t have to work for it – that hasn’t worked in the past and it won’t work now.
Hopefully this news will make Trumpty Dumpty’s big fat orange head explode. Or cause an aneurysm. Or a heart attack. Or to get Covid-19.
As soon as Biden announces whichever woman he’s choosing for VP, Trump will announce he’s putting in Nikki Haley as VP, and thirty jillion thinkpieces will flow forth with titles like “She’s the Boss: Is Nikki Haley The Best Republican evarrr???” “FIve Times Nikki Haley Was A Total #Girlboss #ShEO #GOPGirlPower!!!!”
It’ll be as simpering and fact-free as all of Trump’s coverage and it’ll convince a ton of the white women who find Trump a wee bit sweary-Jerry but just gosh darn don’t like those darkies!!!! And he’ll win his second term.
I’m not trying to be a downer, I’m really sorry. I just see it all so clearly, and it makes me so goddamn tired.
I can see this, but I’m not so certain it will win him the election. If he drops Pence, I’ll be very interested to see Pence’s next move, because Pence could go scorched Earth on spill some serious dirt in retaliation. And he could have dirt that could hurt/kill Trump. If he is smart, he’s got receipts.
If he drops Pence or throws him under the bus will he lose the evangelical support?
I think pence really believes in his own evangelical hype. He’ll consider himself a martyr who suffered to save “preborn” babies or something equally insane.
Digital Unicorn- this is my question. And I think it’s possible, but only if Pence brings receipts on Trump pseudo-Christianity. If he’s got Trump on tape mocking Evangelicals or even worse, supporting abortion, that could damage Trump.
But damaging Trump with Evangelicals won’t necessarily mean those Evangelicals will vote Blue. They will either not vote, or vote for Trump because he’s not a Dem (they’re like that with their votes). Or possibly vote Third Party for someone else the Evangelical movement might put up as an alternative… like Pence himself?
But if dumping Pence costs Trump any votes, I’m for it.
Evangelicals have, inexplicably, already sold their souls for Trump himself, and would never vote blue, even if the devil himself were the Republican nominee.
It is really interesting that all of his campaign stuff says Trump only though, not a whisper of Pence anywhere.
The debates will be important.
With BOTH candidates suffering from age related cognitive decline the debates are going to be a train wreck. I hope someone gets Biden at least a strong coffee before each debate because we know trump will be hopped up on speed.
Did you see Biden debate recently? He did just fine. His grasp of the issues has not declined.
No. Stop that right now. I am a speech pathologist and Biden does not show age associated cog decline—HE HAS A SPEECH DISORDER. He has been very up front with his stuttering. Blocks, substitutions, and repetitions are all symptoms of speech disfluencies. He’s textbook, just like Trump is an example of every dementia patient I’ve clapped eyes on.
I am so OVER people pointing to stuttering as evidence of cognitive decline and/or lack of intelligence. Have a seat.
Counter point; no they won’t. Hillary destroyed trump in all three debates. No one cared.
This election no one will care either. What we have going for us is that THIS election is a referendum on trump. Full stop.
but but bbbbbb but bbbb but…medicare for all! free college!
No. This election is a referendum on trump. Full stop.
Darla- so true, everything you said. But I will add one teeny little point: the debates are all about sound bites. Trump gave his base the soundbites they wanted (“because you’d be in jail” is a retort Junior still brags about as proof his daddy is brilliant). So people do pay attention. They just don’t pay attention to everything. Just cherrypicked bits. Which of course only adds to your point that nobody cares about policy or substance.
Really, I didn’t know that idiot was bragging about that. Point taken.
Darla- i know he posted a clip on twitter to celebrate the third anniversary of it last year. Calling it one of “the great comebacks of all time” and his daddy retweeted it saying “crooked hillary should try it again”
Dumb dumbs don’t realize that said comeback is stupid to brag about cause Hillary isn’t in jail.
Yesterday, my brother, who voted FOR Trump in 2016 and is very conservative, said he isn’t sure who he’s voting for because of how Trump’s handled this pandemic.
For me, that was the tiny crack in the side of the boat.
I’ve been saying to friends, it cannot be possible that these train wreck nightly shows he’s putting on aren’t affecting his approval. he’s a narcissist so doesn’t believe there can be too much of himself. How can that be? No such thing! But he’s wrong. See, the master entertainer is misfiring. And he’s dropping like a stone.
He’ll also be making the incorrect assumpton that high TV ratings = approval. He was thrilled about his briefings’ ratings because he thought they were about him, rather than about a scared population wanting to hear reassurance from their president.
Well, that’s good to hear, at least.
As much as I wanted Warren, or Harris, or pretty much any of them other than Biden, I do hope that he’s a “safer alternative” for some Republicans to cross over and vote against Trump.
One of my coworkers leans R because he thinks they’re better for the economy (they’re not), and at one point said if it was Warren, he couldn’t vote for her (even though he’d benefit from many of her plans, but whatever). But he doesn’t like Trump. I’m thinking he’d easily vote for Biden at this point.
The threat I’m concerned with is Putin. I expect Drumpf’s behavior due to his fear to become more erratic. He has heart disease and borders on morbid obesity. His businesses are failing. Perfect storm for health failure.
I really still don’t trust that Trump will lose in November. He’s just so willing to lie and make totally outrageous and contradictory claims and such a large number of people seem to be stupid enough to believe it.
Remember that line about how he could shoot someone in broad daylight and people would still vote for him? Well that’s basically what he’s doing now, shooting thousands and thousands of people in broad daylight. Sadly I think b/c of the electoral college setup there’s still a solid chance he’s going to get in for another four years.
I have never felt one thing for Joe Biden, except for mild aversion. But these days, I am praying every day that Biden wins. If we have to live for four more years under Trump, I really feel like mental health — and physical health, as we are seeing now! — will tank all across this country. More and more people will be endangered, our democracy and our society will fracture and fray and diminish even further, and the oligarch class will seize every bit of power and money and leave all the rest of us with nothing. We’re already on track for a dismal future and we need to course correct now before it is too late.
The support for Dump is way too high. He’s killed thousands because of his insane narcissism and he is ripping off the country daily. What will it take for people to see that he is the worst person ever ? There are way too many stupid Americans. And many of them will die because they chose an unstable reality tv show host to lead the country.
Imagine the insane tiger king people can vote in america. It’s so crazy. I dont think Democrats will win. Biden doesn’t have young voters and he was very rude to many people in interview and live session. Trump will win .
Both of my sons (mid-20’s) are passionately against DT, as are all of their friends… and all of them DO vote. I have one brother who voted for the Crazy One in 2016. We haven’t spoken politics (or about much else) since then because I was so angry with him. Yesterday he expressed doubt about DT’s handling of this pandemic. He didn’t come right out and say it, but I know he will not give DT his vote this time around. The cracks are getting larger day by day. I feel it will not be a red victory in November.
I’m a true blue voter from a blue state. I believed Hillary’s poll numbers and landslide projections and look where we are now. We need to get the vote out. Mobilize. Energize. This corrupt, autocratic regime needs to end. The only place for that virus in the WH is in jail.
Does anyone recall Ivanka’s application for a trademark on voting machines in China? It’s truly sad to have the need to constantly protect oneself from this administration.
Canadian here. Ive been periodically reading about the Democratic Primaries and I am curious as to why Bernie Sanders (or even Andrew Yang) isn’t popular with other Democratic voters? I say this because his values align with other democratic socialist countries, so I am coming from an obvious bias. I understand with Republican voters, with having polar opposite values, why they wouldn’t vote for someone like Bernie Sanders, but why has he kept failing to become the Democratic Nominee?
I actually became curious because as a long time reader of Celebitchy, the comments section has always felt progressively left leaning. But these comments have really piqued my curiosity. Is Bernie too left leaning? Has he done or voted on a bill that I haven’t read about that didn’t sit well with voters?
I’m genuinely curious and would love some insight since I have no idea as to what the average Democratic voter is thinking.
I voted for Bernie in the primary in 2016 (but was for Warren in 2020), and I have serious issues with him today.
1) It’s generally accepted that once you don’t have a shot in the Democratic primary, it’s time to drop out. Wasting time, and money, battling the front runner just damages them in the long run. In 2016, Bernie took forever to drop out and a few days before the election….he tweeted something like “I don’t think everyone who votes for Trump is a racist” (which many took as a dig at Hillary) & his wife tweeted about “voting your conscience”. The DNC convention was a sh*t show, too, and his supporters booed multiple civil rights legends and Michelle Obama…and he did nothing to admonish them. My mom is still angry about that, and she’s in the demographic he failed to win over (older Black voters). He also gave a lot of damaging soundbites in interviews even after it was clear he had not path. People try and excuse it by saying Hillary stayed in late in 2008…but Hillary was far closer to beating Obama.
2) He often resorts to class reductionism & can be tone deaf when it comes to Black voters. A few years ago a clip floated around Black owned/centered media places like Essence, the Root, etc. where he blamed Obama for not being able to win more white voters in Mississippi during a 2016 event…the same state where the KKK is still somewhat active….and in the clip he’s saying sh*t like “I know you aren’t racist” to a room full of white people. After losing SC, instead of going “I’m going to work harder for your vote”…he said he won the working class and railed about the elites…which implied that Black voters, who overwhelmingly voted for Biden in that state, weren’t working class and were “elites.” Someone once asked him about Black social justice issues, and he said something like “I said Black 50 times”. He didn’t even ask members of the CBC (congressional Black caucus) for their help, and seems to have a seething contempt for most of them….and the CBC has several civil rights activists among them. He may have political differences when it comes to economics, but reaching out & making a coalition is key to winning…and being contemptuous does not help.
3) Staffing choices, etc….which probably shaped the tone of his campaign. His comms person trolled John Lewis over twitter for posting pictures of his cats. I don’t care for Mayor Pete, but major players on Bernie’s campaign showed up to a debate wearing T shirts making fun of Pete that said “wine cave Pete” or something like that. it’s one thing to criticize him, another to show up in juvenile T shirts and give interviews on national TV wearing said T shirts. Several of his surrogates and high level people for his campaign liked or retweeted unfair, shady, and some downright sexist tweets about Warren. People on his campaign routinely boosted places like Chapo (and he was even interviewed by them along with several of his campaign staff)…the same Chapo which made gross sexual jokes about Warren, encouraged their supporters to boo & hiss, and made racist Native American jokes. Some of his surrogates, again, made really gross remarks about Kamala Harris and Willie Brown.
There’s a lot more….at one point, Warren had a brief lead when he had a heart attack and Obama was reportedly trying to calm down more establishment Dems (who were worried about her) by saying Warren would be a good president….if he had dropped out then, there’s a possibility she might have won.
Thank you that was incredibly insightful. I truly had no idea there were such moments of ineptitude. I really hope this election will work out and the US has a chance to repair the damage this current administration has done. Thank you again for replying with such detail and stay safe!
Mia Farrow’s daughter Quincy is in the hospital with coronavirus. On twitter Mia asked for prayers. This is the response she got from a Berniedick. THey are in a rage.
https://twitter.com/leaderless_one/status/1248648882374037514?s=21
“Women vote for Democrats” isn’t the whole story. White women voted for Trump
Trump is nothing. I like to think of him this way when you clean trash you put it in garbage can. He is the garbage.
Outsider’s perspective? It all comes down to how successfully they suppress the vote. The long queues in Democratic leaning areas are especially a worry this time, because obviously no one wants to be in a queue right now. Denying the chance to postal vote. Plus their normal tactics of removing people from the electoral roll when they don’t answer the phone because they’re at work and gerrymandering districts. On the plus side, less people will be prevented from voting because they have to work on polling day.
Do they understand that the rest of the world knows how much they pervert democracy?
Yes… but they. don’t. care.
If they can hold on to power in any way, they will hold onto power. They can’t be shamed into doing the right thing. They just have to be voted out, and voted out in a BigBlueWave, because that’s going to be what’s needed to overcome their vote suppressing shenanigans.
100% this. It’s about voter suppression now. GOPers know (because every research study shows it) that when turnout goes way up, Democrats win. Every time. So they know that the only way they hold on to power is suppressing the vote. If they can suppress minority and other traditionally Dem voter cohorts in particular, then all the better (like the illegal voter role purges in Georgia). But even just keeping turnout low will help them.
They will do it any way they can. Look at Wisconsin. And because they’ve been enormously successful at filling the judiciary with right wing activist judges, we can’t count on the judiciary–especially the supreme court–to be a bulwark.
We thought 2016 was dirty, but it’s going to be worse now.
Anyone.But.Trump. has my vote.
I’m sorry but the media largely ignored trumps popularity and was dead wrong about several polling areas, so I’m not sure why anyone would trust them now? Just show up and vote and what will be, will be. Biden trump debate will be very interesting..,,
I am praying that this will be made true. Take Bigly away please for american’s sake and for the world’s sake. I hope all parents/grandparents will ask their kids/grandkids for a nice present : a promise to go vote. I am crossing my fingers.
I study democracy. I think we’re at a breaking point and one of 2 scenarios will unfold — (1) an authoritarian take-over by the GOP, something they’ve been building toward for years, an extension of policies elsewhere (Chile, Philippines, etc.) to the US, using every tool in the book to capture the media, the courts, the executive, factions of the military and areas of “civil” society like education and churches. Firing the IG is an ominous step toward full-on capture of the economy, the Wisconsin elections being another.
Or (2) the existential crisis we’re all in forces people to take the “riskier” route, and rise up en masse to oust these clowns. The gloves are off, and Trump’s open acknowledgement re Wisconsin that if too many people vote, the GOP would never hold office again. How much clearer can it be that we are in an apartheid-like situation where a cruel white anti-democratic minority has gained control over the majority. As Dylan said, when you ain’t got nothin, you got nothin to lose.
I’m experiencing a fight for our rights like this where I work, where an emboldened, authoritarian administration is pushing increasingly abusive new policies, trying to take advantage of covid to capture more control of what once was shared governance. But I’m actually encouraged to see that people who just a week ago were like, “we don’t want to seem adversarial toward our admin” are now like balls to the walls, we’re in this to fight… So maybe there’s hope. But we need to stand strong — together — against fear and against these sorry excuses for humans.
How long before Mitch McConnell moves to disenfranchise women? Thank God for my dual citizenship.
His rambling monologues are even freaking out the trump believers