The New Yorker has a new article/commentary piece on the Duke and Duchess of Sussex and their now-formal Sussexit. I read some comments on Twitter that the New Yorker article was not a hit piece nor a glowing Sussexit commentary, and I sort of avoided reading it for a day. I just skimmed it this morning and… it’s mostly old news, repurposed in a New Yorker long-read. I guess some/many people who read it will not be as familiar with the ins and outs of the two-year-old smear campaign against the Sussexes, and the worst things I can say about this piece are that A) they quote too much from Camilla Tominey (who is a bridge troll/royal reporter for the Telegraph) and B) they both-sides the argument that Meghan was subjected to outright racism in Britain. You can read the full piece here. Some highlights:
No one knew what to do with Harry & Meghan: A distinguished British historian told me, “In the old days, before the First World War, what you did with the secondary royals was marry them off into other royal families, and that gave them something to do. In the days of the Empire, you could send them off to go and be governor-general, or to have a full-time military job. These days, being royal, but not being either the heir to the throne or the monarch—it’s very hard to carve out a job.” At the same time, the historian added, “it’s quite difficult ceasing to be royal.”
Camilla Tominey on Meghan: “When Meghan arrived here, she was really well received,” Tominey told me. There was happiness and relief that Harry had found such an impressive woman. “When we wrote the story initially, it was kind of couched in ‘How did he score this amazing girl?’ She was this extremely glamorous woman who had a lot to say for herself, and had an interesting past as a campaigner for women’s rights. She was a woman who meant business, and it looked like she would be an instant asset to the Royal Family.”
Tominey claims that Meghan wasn’t well-received within the palace: Tominey explained, Markle soon had critics inside the Palace who were less enamored of the very qualities that made her irresistible to the press: her showbiz lustre, self-confidence, and feminist habits of assertion. Reports emerged that, in the run-up to the wedding, she was being imperious. Tominey said, “I’ve put it down to a clash of cultures, in the sense that she had come from the celebrity world, which is very fast-paced and quite demanding. The royal world is very different—it’s much slower-paced, and hugely hierarchical. In the royal world, it’s ‘What should we do next?’ ‘Well, what did we do last time?’ ” Markle may not have comprehended how many unwritten traditions governed the institution she was joining. Tominey explained, “It’s a bit like ‘Downton Abbey’—there’s a hierarchy of staff who have been at Buckingham Palace for years and years, to serve Queen and country. And, therefore, for Harry and Meghan to be making demands, there was a bit of below-stairs chatter, particularly with the Duchess, that was ‘Well, hang on a minute, who do you think you are?’ ”
Tominey of the accusations of racism in the press: Reporters who cover the royals are indignant at the suggestion, and like to note that Harry himself used to be accused of racial insensitivity. (In 2005, he notoriously wore a Nazi outfit to a “native and colonial”-themed party.) Tominey said, “This narrative of ‘the press and the public have been attacking us,’ and ‘there’s a racial undertone,’ and Prince Harry talking about ‘unconscious bias’—people are scratching their heads and saying, ‘Well, last time I checked, nobody I know ever dressed up as a Nazi for a fancy-dress party.’ ”
Dickie Arbiter on whether the British press is racist: Dickie Arbiter, the royal commentator, told me, “For goodness’ sake, the Queen is head of the Commonwealth, and the majority of the Commonwealth is other races—African, Asian, you name it.” The fact that some of the Queen’s best subjects are black is perhaps not the strongest defense of the royal institution, which is notably lacking in diversity.
I laughed out loud at “The fact that some of the Queen’s best subjects are black is perhaps not the strongest defense of the royal institution.” And Tominey’s argument is that Harry made a terrible mistake in 2005, so the British press is completely justified in waging a racist smear campaign against his wife more than a decade later, then gaslighting the Sussexes about that same racist smear campaign. And I’m really tired of the talking point – from courtiers and media alike – that Meghan was 100% accepted in the beginning. While her treatment in 2017 was mostly positive, in the lead-up to the wedding and in the first months of their marriage, the wheels began to come off of the British press’s machinery as they all collectively reveled in taking Meghan down. I do think it’s interesting that Tominey seems to be saying, in effect, that the bitterness and smears originated in the palace old-guard though. Anyway, old news.
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Ughh
Same. This is fricking exhausting. I wish I’d never heard of Tominey, and I wish Dickie Arbiter had stayed in the gloom where he belongs. UGHH.
IKR. Arbiter’s comment, “some of the Queen’s best subjects are black”, is the worst and reflects how so many of these royalists and bigots are stuck in time, with their mindset fixed on the Empire. What an ignorant, old-time racist and, on top of that, I thought the British resented being called “subjects”. Oh, well…
@Olenna: It’s the classic “I can’t be racist I have black friends”
@Sofia,
Absolutely, and I have now doubt Ole Queenie thinks the same way.
It’s worse than ‘I can’t be racist, I have black friends’ (which I agree is bad enough), it’s the equivalent of ‘I can’t be racist, I have black staff’ (bearing in mind Queen to subject is a superior to inferior relationship in the minds of the Palace).
“But some of my best slaves are black!!”
I also wish that I never heard of Camilla Tominey either. She of linking the Hubb Community ladies to jihadists and complaining that there were too many black/ brown faces on the cover of Meghan’s vogue. She is truly a hateful woman.
Dickie Arbiter pretends to be posh, but all he’s done is made a career gossiping about his former employer. His excuses are similar to when Tominey tried to reason that Buckingham Palace was not racist because they have POC staff.
The only comfort I have is these people will have to spend the rest of their lives making money by talking about the one person that they hate because the rest of the royals just don’t generate the same amount of interest Meghan does. Camilla wrote an article about Kate was a ‘modern future queen’ and people were just NOT interested so they removed the paywall to access it.
The other comfort I take is that these hateful people (because happy people are never this vicious) will spend the rest of their lives never coming close to, or even be able to imagine the love like that between Harry and Meghan. I think that’s why they all act like jilted lovers.
And eventually as the tides turn, their finances will dry out, and they’ll start to change their tune.
First it was that ‘what Meghan wanted, Meghan gets’.
Now it’s ‘the Buckingham Palace staff weren’t that nice to her’ (throwing the Palace staff under the bus).
Eventually, all the fuckery and dirty tricks the actual RF employed to bully Meghan will come out.
Mark my words.
What I don’t understand, is respectable publications and media not fact checking their source’s background when it comes to trying to publish or deliver a balanced piece on the Sussexes. Time and time again, they end up using reporters like Nichols, Tominey, or Arbiter whose past stories would clearly show they are extremely biased against Meghan. I’m disappointed that The New Yorker’s research team did not do their homework on talking to unbiased reporters. I don’t have any problems with a fair article, but when you use as a source someone extremely anti-Sussex, than there is no way you can write an article that is fair.
@JA Lowcountry Lady:
Exactly! Considering the New Yorker’s generally high standards, they did a pretty poor job of reporting. Evading the question of racism in the British press, by pointing to racism within the royal family, should not have been accepted as a response by the reporter.
I’m getting very tired at white people being asked their opinion or writing about institutional racism like they’ve ever dealt with it.
@sofia – Agreed – I would have expected better reporting from the New Yorker; it doesn’t sound like they did their best work here.
I still remember the New Yorker cover of Barack and Michelle during the 2008 campaign. They depicted them as stereotypes of the racism against them.
@Silas – YES! That despicable cover with the “jihadi fist bump” was the first thing that came to mind.
I’d forgotten about that cover, Silas. Thanks for the reminder. I remember being extremely disappointed with The New Yorker as I had always considered them to be one of those great publications that put out balanced, well-researched, nuanced articles. They did come out later and say they did not mean it the way it was taken, they meant it as a parody to the over the top commentary by others, but they should have known better and done better.
It’s just awful. Enough of this archaic institution. Surely it will eventually go the way of the dinosaurs.
I cannot believe you said that. Freedom of press is very important. Freedom of people of all ethnicities to share opinions is very important. If you know a writer’s ethnicity and do not want to read their opinion, just don’t. Maybe the written word will not be your preferred news outlet as you often cannot “see” or know what color someone is.
Freedom of the press does not mean turning to people of other ethnicities to ramble on what they think a person of color may be experiencing or having experienced. That would fall under trusting the word Piers Morgan as truth because he met her once in person and he went unhinged, but it’s okay because he’s a member of “the press”.
Please do not use arbitrary freedom of the press terms to cover the dog whistling of these “royal reporters”.
I can believe she said that, and as a middle-aged white woman, I whole heartedly agree with her. There are brilliant people of color out there who can articulate institutional racism in a way that white people cannot – because we don’t experience it. We can see it, we can intellectually understand it, we can empathize, we can learn, but we will never truly feel how it impacts people day to day. It is beyond time to stop turning to the people who perpetuate the system to white-splain it to people who live it. It has nothing to do with freedom of the press.
@Beesmess,
Freedom of the press is actually only important for the unpopular opinion. It is what gives those in the minority a voice. Are these particular writers in the minority? Probably not in the UK but having different standards for different races would, obviously, be wrong.
Further than that, I am not defending these reporters and certainly not Piers Morgan. The very nature of opinion pieces obviate “truth”. As long as everyone can understand fact from opinion, I want people to express themselves even when I disagree. I disagree with you now and that is fine. I still want both of us to be able to talk.
@DarlingDiana: No I don’t fucking care. I stand by what I said because white people have not experienced racism. Therefore they cannot say how a black woman felt about it.
PS: Freedom of Speech means they can say whatever they want without being thrown into jail for it. It DOES NOT mean you can say whatever you want without people criticising it. And criticising does not mean they should go to jail. If I’m criticising it means I disagree with their viewpoint and what they’ve written. And if you can’t handle that then don’t become a journalist
@Guestwho,
My disagreement isn’t with who can articulate racism or institutional racism better. My problem is shutting down someone else’s right to speak. Yes, it is very much about freedom of the individual and freedom of the press.
Agree to disagree but I’m never going to be okay with shutting people up. If you don’t want to read or share or exchange thoughts then don’t do it but don’t try to take that opportunity from others. It is wrong in every way and becomes more popular everyday.
Freedom of the press also relates to not having a media blackout about William having an affair and yet the British media elites are sure fine with complying with that one. Not all voices have the same access and we don’t need to hear every racist opinion from these royal reporters. If they are quiet about willy checking out the rose bush maybe they can be quiet on the 20th opinion piece that states Meghan was too black for the royal family.
@DarlingDiana: @Sofia said that she wished people would stop asking white people about something they’ve never experienced – that’s fair. Clearly, these two reporters DO NOT understand institutional racism – and again, people who have not experienced it shouldn’t be the go-to to explain it. It’s regressive. People should stop asking them – unless their answer is “oh, it exists in every level of society, and I have no idea how it actually feels.”
@Sofia,
I can see that you don’t care and I am not trying to change your mind. I never suggested white people experienced racism either. I didn’t suggest anyone should tell anyone else how to feel about their experiences.
I understand Freedom of Speech perfectly thank you. I am advocating for it after all. You are criticizing both these writers for being white while writing which is, also, understandable if distasteful to me. The only thing we disagree about is if they should have the right to air their opinions. I say that they and everyone does. I thought that you disagreed with that. If not, then we are on the same page.
@DarlingDiana – I have no problem with “Freedom of The Press”. I do have a problem with all the “click-bait” stories which are really nothing-burgers served with too much mustard on stale day-old bread.
If you want to write a story on Meghan & Harry being abusive to staff then write it. However, you need give detailed examples of this abusive behavior and make damn sure you have receipts in the form of sources willing to go on the record.
Camilla Tominey is NOT a source. She is a gossip writer repeating what she has been told by someone telling her what she wants to hear.
@DarlingDiana: Okay. Please tell me what opinion two white people can offer about institutionalised racism and the racism towards black people? Please let me know I’m waiting to hear it.
Other than: “I know it exists but I could never truly understand what it feels like because I will never face it”.
I’m not criticising them for being white. What I am criticising is them offering their opinions on racism when they’ve never experienced it.
@Guestwho,
I understand that Sofia doesn’t like or respect these people’s opinions. I think that is great that she says so. I still don’t think these people shouldn’t be allowed in the public sphere with these unpopular opinions. I may have misunderstood Sofia which I addressed to her directly. If she simply finds these people tiresome and criticized them I am on board with that.
@Nic919,
Media blackouts on the royals or any government officials shouldn’t exist imo. If I’m wrong please correct me but the UK press isn’t really free, is it? They are under pressure to pick and choose what they say or can have the government ixnay coverage, maybe? I hope a more informed person can answer.
I’m speaking as an American that holds all of our rights dear. Civil liberties are more and more in danger for all people regardless of race and I want to stop the further erosion as soon as possible.
I support anyone’s right to partake of ignore any media that they wish. I just don’t want anyone making those decisions for anyone else.
@Sofia,
If we are not discussing these particular people, I think that many l journalists and commenters can share their disgust about institutionalized racism. You certainly don’t have to be a poc to know that it is wrong. I think many can offer examples of witnessing these events take place. Most importantly, these people will be the ones that teach their children not to engage in these belittling behaviors. Now, they can offer nothing but support having not experienced it but I still think support is important. For those that deny the racism of see things differently, I can only say I still support reading varying opinions. I can see where you do not want to hear it and I just suggested that you don’t have to.
If we can only write or discuss or have an opinion on things that we have experienced personally, I find that anathema. No one on this blog has experienced being royal but I think that their contributions on the subject, whether I agree or not, is valid to the discussion both pro and anti-Monarchy. I’m sure the English could say that none of us should have an opinion as they aren’t our Royal Family. Unsurprisingly, I disagree with the idea that we shouldn’t have or voice an opinion. As with the racism topic, certain voices will hold more sway and have more invested in the outcome, in this case the English people and rightfully so, imo. Just as I think poc have more sway and have more invested in the outcome of institutionalized racism. I still want to hear from everyone.
@DarlingDiana: It’s not simply a case of knowing it’s bad. It’s a case of actually EXPERIENCING it. If people want to educate themselves, they are more than welcome to but considering Camilla T is a woman who complained about Meghan’s vogue cover not having enough white women and tried to link innocent Muslim women to Jihadists and terrorists, her voice is not one I want to hear on the matter. Her past actions have shown she doesn’t actually know what she’s talking about. Even in the article itself she implies that Meghan shouldn’t talk about racism because her husband wore a stupid and racist costume 15 years ago. An action that happened years before he met Meghan. It shouldn’t impact the discussions about the racism Meghan has faced nor should her husband’s stupid mistake that he made on his own be held over her.
No. None of are royal. None of us will marry a Prince. None of us (most likely) will become Duchesses. But some of us have experiences in being a WoC in an environment filled predominately with white people. So can we fully relate to Meghan? No. But we can hear the dog whistles, the language and tone used to talk about her because similar methods were used to talk about us.
We may not relate to fighting over tiaras or wanting scented candles at a church but we can relate to doing more work than our white counterparts and receiving half the praise – even when they do the same or even less work than us. We can also relate to being told we’re being angry and rude when all we’re doing is being assertive and confident.
Edit: Also wanted to add that if Dickie, Camilla and anyone else in their race want to write about racism then they also need to acknowledge they are a part of a society where they benefit greatly due to the colour of their skin. Dickie and Camilla have not done that. Camilla in particular tried to avoid the question on racism by bringing Harry and she’s done other things (mentioned above).
So until that happens I really don’t want to hear their opinion
@Sofia,
First, I want to thank you for this exchange. This is exactly what I think articles like this one can bring out. The opinions given in the article may not be valid but the conversations that they spark can certainly be. Again, if you don’t agree, I understand.
I abhor racism and I abhor that people deny that it exists. Tribalism, as well which can be dangerous, will likely have a resurgence thanks to Covid. People are becoming suspicious of all other people that are not family or locals, etc. I say this to point out that “othering” people is usually is rooted in fear. IMO, these writers don’t want to lose their Monarchy. I do think that many, not all, saw Harry and Meghan has very good ambassadors of the Crown. Their upset did occur when the Sussex decided to leave. They were, and are, angry about it and are taking it out on the Sussexs.
I absolutely can see why woc relate to Meghan. I understand that your sensitivities to any racism against her are keen and you resent it on her behalf. I do not blame you. I’m not black and I resent it because it is ignorant and has no place in society. I related strongly to her as an American woman over 30 that has made a successful life for herself. IMO, her American traits brought as much negativity if not more than her race. I think compliance to the status quo is the most important thing to the Monarchy and had Harry and Meghan supported that, they would have both been less maligned as things progressed. Americans are probably some of the least compliant anywhere. I say this proudly. That said, Meghan was not suited for compliance and Harry supported that. The Sussex and the Monarchy were inevitably going to be at loggerheads. I don’t think that time would have changed that dynamic and that is why I support the Sussex’s clean break.
To say I’m sorry that you, or any poc, has had to deal with belittling, been unjustifiable labelled in any way, or had a different set of rules to live by does not make it easier for you. I am truly saddened and disgusted by it though. My judgements on people have zero to do with their color and I hope the rest of the world can get to this point as well.
I will never know the enormity of what you face. I hope you don’t take this as attempt by me to say that I do but I wanted to share that for my formative years (from kindergarten they 6th grade), I was the minority in every class. Perhaps, out of 30 or so children, 2 plus me were white and the rest primarily black. I was too young to understand racism but I did know what being shunned due to color felt like. It left a lasting impression. The other thing I learned is that most people will, and should, choose their friends on character not race.
My vocal support of speech, even that that I find disagreeable, will never change. To me, it is one of the tenets of a truly free society. That said, it shouldn’t spare you from the response that you receive as a result.
No one is saying they do not have the right to express themselves.
The point is that, on this topic, they are poor choices of sources.
@somechick – YES. That’s exactly the bigger point I think. Of course no one here wants to abolish the first amendment and frankly I’m rolling my eyes that THAT is what this discussion has become about.
the point was that when you are trying to evaluate how much institutional racism played a role in the treatment of Meghan, Camilla Tominey and Dickie Arbiter are not going to be the most objective or knowledgeable sources.
@DarlingDiana said:
“… My problem is shutting down someone else’s right to speak. Yes, it is very much about freedom of the individual and freedom of the press.
Agree to disagree but I’m never going to be okay with shutting people up…”
I totally disagree with you trying to defend the hate and lies being spewed by Tominey, Arbiter and other RR. The problem with the New Yorker article is that it is factually incorrect in a number of areas, and it mixes half truths with idealistic fiction and lies. Plus they are trying so hard to act like they’re neutral and uber knowledgeable when they haven’t even done enough research worth printing this subtly biased mishmash, that’s far too full of old pieced together tabloid gossip.
Tominey needs to shut up and go away because she spreads nothing but lies and fantasy intended to embiggen other members of the royal family over the Sussexes. It’s obvious that a number of royal reporters are trying to slightly soften their still distorted, false and biased views of Meghan & Harry, in order to gain headway into the U.S. market. They are trying mightily to continue spreading their erroneous, twisted, and self-serving narrative about M&H in the U.S.
The New Yorker writer knows Tominey scooped the news that M&H were dating in October 2016. Sadly, the writer should also know that Tominey penned a scathing article in 2018 accusing Meghan of supporting terrorisim after her visit to the mosque that houses the Hubb Community Kitchen. Other royals have visited the same mosque, but no inflammatory, false articles were ever written about their visits.
If they wished Tominey to contribute her twisted views, The New Yorker writer should have also asked Tominey point blank what her reason was for writing that 2018 inflammatory, non-fact-based hit piece against Meghan. And especially why go to such OTT, nasty, negative, untrue lengths against a pregnant woman!
Furthermore, ‘the bitterness and smears originated’ first with the British media. Then after the South Pacific tour, the bitter palace courtiers and Willileaks gave the RR and Brit media carte blanche to drag Meghan in a failed attempt to ‘put her in her place,’ and to try and ‘dim her light.’ They only succeeded in making Meghan & Harry more popular with people of goodwill globally, and they also succeeded in tearing the faux masks off the Cambridges and the entire dysfunctional royal institution.
White people have dealt with institutional racism and benefit from it every day, but I get your point. As someone who works in the media, however, it can be exhausting to constantly be asked to address racism. Why should POC singlehandedly bear that burden? White people can learn to write about institutional racism in ways that get it right, and if they fail, they can be called out for it and learn. I, for one, do not believe that white people are incapable of reporting about racism. News organizations also need POC in editing roles, but the problem overall is that the media is extremely racist itself while pretending to be “liberal.” The press is overwhelmingly white, and many of the POC who succeed tend to be very privileged.
Yes, I agree. Everyone needs to address societal problems. It is what solves them. You cannot address a problem if you don’t discuss it either. People will disagree. It is the nature of changing people’s minds to listen to others and to share.
This goes well beyond discussions of former royals. It is something of a hot button with me. I see personal liberties shrink everyday to mob mentality and I want no part of it.
Well said.
@DarlingDiana said:
“… I see personal liberties shrink everyday to mob mentality and I want no part of it…”
Then you should also want no part of what the British media, palace ‘gray men,’ and ‘royal sources’ are doing to try and relentlessly tear down the Sussexes.
You are too busy high-handedly trying to focus on ‘press freedom, personal liberties, and mob mentality,’ in order to distract from the sad truths that the Sussexes stepping down from senior royal duties actually reveal about British culture, the British media, and the British royal family. These are truths that you apparently don’t want to see, and that the monarchy and the British media surely don’t want Americans to see. Obviously, distract and distort is the name of the game.
It’s quite interesting how Kate, unsurprisingly by now, is depicted in the New Yorker article. It reminds me of the Buzzfeed comparisions of how Kate has been exalted in recent years as the saintly English rose, vs the way Meghan has been dragged and relentlessly criticized in negative article after negative article. Maybe others missed these lines from the New Yorker article:
“… Kate Middleton’s public persona has been closer to that of the Queen: irreproachable and inscrutable.”
“…[arriving at the Commonwealth service]… the Duchess of Cambridge … smiled, professional and wholesome.”
Kate smiled upon entering the Abbey, but when she arrived at her seat and throughout the service she did not smile, nor did she act professionally and wholesomely. Her public persona at that service was snotty and reproachable. She pointedly snubbed Harry & Meghan and she looked stony-faced throughout.
Meanwhile, the New Yorker writer prefers to describe Harry as being the ‘grim’ one. While Harry did not smile a lot, he certainly was not as ‘grim-looking’ as Will & Kate. Meanwhile, Meghan smiled graciously and waved at Will & Kate, who both basically ignored her. It’s actually Meghan’s behavior that was beyond reproach, but that doesn’t fit the negative narrative the British media are certainly trying to bring to American shores.
I think the New Yorker writer is trying to be neutral for the most part, but failing badly. And she’s also lazy because she didn’t do enough careful research before throwing this subtly biased mishmash together.
The monarchy should end after the Queen dies.
I wouldn’t mind Charles having a go, for purely sentimental reasons (he’s waited an awfully long time!), but no more after him. And definitely not the Penis With Teeth. Imagine what a crown would look like on that head….(shudder).
Anyway, this is the RR’s realizing they’ve exhausted the country (UK) with their Meghan-hate and now searching for new markets to infest with Meghan Derangement Syndrome. In this case, this is Camilla’s attempt at teaching Americans why it is profitable and correct to detest Meghan (and Harry, by extension). Let’s see how successful she is.
They go on like a broken record with the same criticism and try to persuade people that Meghan is bossy and Harry is a “wimp” and WIlliam was only “looking out” for his brother. ANd then go on about the”extra marriage” of Meghan and one says the marriage was not legal because she used her middle name in the ceremony!!! And then some wonder why they don’t see Archie when they deride him constantly. And some want Archie taken away from his mother so the child can be around Aunt Kate and Uncle William and the Cambridges( What a fiasco that would be! IMO)
“the Penis With Teeth”
LOL
Petition to make THAT his official name in any press release forever.
@Bella DuPont said:
“… Anyway, this is the RR’s realizing they’ve exhausted the country (UK) with their Meghan-hate and now searching for new markets to infest with Meghan Derangement Syndrome. In this case, this is Camilla’s attempt at teaching Americans why it is profitable and correct to detest Meghan (and Harry, by extension). Let’s see how successful she is.”
^^ Exactly! This is obviously what the New Yorker article is attempting, but the highminded, ‘freedom of the press’ distracters would like us to believe otherwise.
‘Well, hang on a minute, who do you think you are?’
And there it is, summed up in one sentence, the royal staff had their nose put out of joint having to wait on a person they see as “lesser”.
she had come from the celebrity world, which is very fast-paced and quite demanding. The royal world is very different—it’s much slower-paced, and hugely hierarchical.
And again the royal family had their nose put out of joint because she worked. She showed them all up for what they are.
Does anyone know what the so-called “demands” were? I have yet to read of any insider giving a list of theses so-called “demands”. I would really like to know what “demands” were made by Meghan & Harry.
Please remember/understand the following equation:
1) Meghan requesting anything, of anyone, at anytime, in any tone, for any reason whatsoever, while being half black = Demand
2) Repeating a request for any reason whatsoever (eg initial request being ignored) = Outright Aggression/Hostility
Once you understand both equations, you can easily see just how unsustainable the situation was for the poor palace staff.
Whenever I have read about the “demands,” they all just sounded normal to me (get up early? Texts/emails at all hours, what?), but I’m an American. I have found in my business dealings with other countries is that sometimes an American’s directness puts others off. She might not have realized this, and failed to read the room. This is where Kate, Camilla, etc. should have taken her aside and HELPED her.
I think it was very much a cultural thing, and her having the stigma of being divorced, a commoner (worse, a colonial!), and biracial was just icing on the cake.
@juniper, I agree. For example, maybe she texted her employees on Saturdays with non-urgent requests. (Totally making this up but giving an example.) Kate or Camilla could guide her and say that’s not done here, but you can do X. I think we’ve all made gaffes when joining a new business (or family!) and it’s totally normal.
Press warmly received her is garbage with all the dogwhistling articles eg straight out of Compton, up from slavery. And then on engagement- niggling’ feelings over engagement photos, spectator saying she was unsuitable bride for being divorced, Tatler British men going out with Americans as they give head earlier, going to town with the Markles siblings incl that letter from Tom jnr to call off the wedding, and in week of wedding all those stories including fabricated about any man she ever looked at. The Guardian found the press honeymoon was only two months after the wedding.
The ‘who do you think you are’ was very telling. was good that the writer pointed out double standards of no issues from staff when Kate had candles at her wedding years earlier. That in a nutshell was palace staff problem- having to listen to requests from someone they thought was beneath them because of her background. I wonder if that’s why Harry was with her at tiara selection. I’m sure many can recognise that feeling of views not being heard/ respected unless articulated by a white man.
The defence of racist press coverage is laughable. It wasn’t racist because Harry himself said racist things in the past?! Or can’t be racist because the Queen has black/brown subjects as the head of the commonwealth?! LOL. If that’s the best they could come up with, shows they can’t defend their coverage.
They didn’t like the biracial girl making any demands. This is a place where Andy can just ram into a closed gate like it’s not a deranged act, but Meghan not being a doormat is a problem for them.
As for rank, well outside of Charles, Camilla, Phillip, William and Kate, they do have rank. So again why is there an issue with Meghan? We know she wasn’t trying to steal the Queen’s servants or write the throne speech. Why haven’t they articulated the really bad things she wanted them to do? Was it the emails? Did she expect them to work? We are years into this and no one can say exactly what she did that was so bad, at least nothing legitimate.
But, but, but . . . I’m going to defend what CT has said just a little bit. Just a lil bit. There ARE hidden rules to just about anything: race, social class, culture and place. For the most part, no one ever tells you what those rules are. You might, might, learn that you’ve broken one or some of those rules by the way people react to you OR if someone pulls you aside and tells you after the fact.
The biggies and the obvious ones are that you don’t look like them, you don’t sound like them or you dress like them. Those are easy to call folks out on and/or more easy to spot. But it’s the small little rules and tells that will crucify you. This is admittedly a stupid example. Stupid but here it is: I have a co-worker who people didn’t take seriously although she’s very smart and has some good yet non-conventional ideas. She’d bring her lunch to work in a plastic grocery store bag or in like a carry-on luggage bag—the kind with the shoulder strap attached. She’d also pull out the family sized bottle of salad dressing to pour over her salad when she’d bring one to work. People judged her for that. OMG. How déclassé? So, I brought her in one of those stretchy neoprene lunch bags—I had an extra one—that most of us middle class cube-dwellers carry. I also gave her a little squeeze container for the salad dressing and talked to her about the power structure of the place (as I saw it). Perceptions about her have changed for the better a bit or perhaps I should say the easy shots have mostly been eliminated.
I shared that to say this: I do believe that Meghan was treated to a undeserved royal and royal adjacent (courtiers) smear campaign but I also know from my experience that one needs to be on the look-out for the hidden rules. I don’t know or think Meghan did that or did it well.
Hi Chelle, I do agree with you about the “small little rules and tells” in a work place that can make or break someone and it was very kind you to take your co-worker under your wing and give her a bit of guidance. However, I don’t agree that Meghan didn’t do this or didn’t do it well. Meghan is college educated, spent time in Buenos Aries working at the embassy and made a successful career in a very tough industry, therefore I believe that she understood very well how to navigate the inner workings of the Firm but I believe that when she adhered to said small little rules, the courtiers changed them and fast. I believe that there was one set of rules for the members of the royal family and an “other” set of rules for Meghan and those rules were frequently changed to make her look like an outsider and unable to navigate her new life. Meghan was never really given a chance by the courtiers or members of her new family to make the small mistakes and missteps that we all make when entering a new arena and no matter how hard she tried or how stellar she preformed her duties, she was never going to be given a fair chance.
@Chelle, did you or any of your coworkers run to the press and help launch a national smear campaign against that woman? It’s one thing to be secretly appalled at people, it’s a whole nother level to try and sabotage their career. And their marriage and their pregnancy. Those folks hated Meghan because of who she was not because of what she did, trust me on that one. They are trying to rewrite history and make it her fault for not groveling and scraping and accepting the bullshit.
oh, Chelle you really made this topic relatable! I think you used a perfect example. I’ll use my own: married into a family very different from my own. It was male-centric which was the opposite of my experience with family. In my family, the women were/are the backbone, decisions about everything are made jointly but the women have a greater grasp of the family as a whole. Anyway, I was shocked at some of the early married Christmas get togethers which seemed based around make-dominated events. Not unusual for the manly man to stomp away to the shooting grounds or fishing grounds after dinner. I was shocked. I was vocal about my surprise and low-key criticizing the whole idea of it.
Anyway, this didn’t go over well. It was nothing more than culture shock on my part. I should have been more willing to let myself relax into his family’s traditions. I wasn’t going to change them for sure. Also, I think my husband found my female-centric family to be a foreign land. The estrogen dominated and the testosterone had to take a backseat. My husband definitely adapted faster than I did.
This is one reason that I identified strongly with Meghan. I found her to be more outspoken than her husband, sometimes from nerves I think, something I do too. Also, I think being so used to living your life, your way can be a huge adjustment a few times a year little less under the auspices of your husband’s family business! I was sad that things couldn’t be worked out.
ITA @Harla, and thanks for articulating those distinctions so well. Meghan is not some backward hayseed. She had a successful, high profile life regularly intermixing socially with V.I.P. level movers-and-shakers, including Toronto high society and politicians like Justin Trudeau. So Meghan’s breadth of experience socially had been expanded beyond Hollywood. She was well-traveled, well-educated, and fully cognizant regarding matters of social etiquette, in addition to being aware of the fact that cultural differences exist, whether or not she was abreast of all the right British words and spellings.
In addition, Meghan had visited London often pre-Harry. She had friends there, including the well-connected ‘tastemaker,’ Canadian-born Markus Anderson who is like an older brother to Meghan. Anderson is discreet and under-the-radar, but he knows practically everyone worth knowing, and not just in the realm of celebrity. Toronto is very Anglophile as well, so if there was any culture clash for Meghan in the palaces, it had to do with British snobbism and coming up against old-fashioned, royal courtier, stuck-in-the-mud ways of doing things.
As far as ‘hierarchal’ bs, Meghan bent over backwards adhering to the basic royal rules and trying to fit in. Those who were worried about her beauty, grace, intelligence, and strength didn’t want her to fit in. So there was nothing she could do to change how she was viewed. Plus, there’s no way she should have been expected to change her personality and become a wallflower!
Once Meghan realized she would be criticized no matter what she did, she relaxed and decided to be herself and to stop trying so hard to fit in. She had muted her wardrobe, and she showed deference and cautiously navigated her way in those early months, but all she got in return was negativity. The stuff with the media manipulating her father had to be hugely disappointing and a tremendous trial for both her and Harry during what should have been the happiest time of their lives.
The royal family missed the boat with the Sussexes because no matter the difficulties and relationship clashes behind-the-scenes, the situation might have been salvaged had the Queen or Prince Charles foremost had the gumption to put William ‘in his place.’ Next, someone with vision needed to understand the importance of everyone in the royal firm joining together with a unified front publicly.
A big problem is that a transition of power is taking place since the Queen can’t live forever. And the fact is that Prince Charles and his sons have often battled, clashed and had disagreements over the years. In addition, Prince Philip is too old to take care of family matters, as the Queen had always relied upon him to do. Plus Charles tends to shy away from conflict and he’s said to be indecisive. So truthfully, most of the problems the monarchy is facing actually don’t have much to do with Meghan. But since marrying Harry, she’s become a convenient scapegoat. Add in the British media’s peculiar leech-like, quid pro quo relationship with the royal family, and the picture becomes very clear, albeit exceedingly messy.
@MsIam said:
“… Those folks hated Meghan because of who she was not because of what she did, trust me on that one. They are trying to rewrite history and make it her fault for not groveling and scraping and accepting the bullshit.”
ITA with your post too @MsIam. That’s exactly the situation!
I’m sorry but this sounds like Meghan is some gauche hayseed who doesn’t know how to use the right fork. She met all kinds of people in very rarefied circles including politicians, diplomats, entrepreneurs, even went to the White House, so whatever the palace found wrong was something they decided to either exaggerate or were new rules put in place for her, and her only. The fact is they didn’t like the attention she got, which eclipsed the senior royals.
She saw the role as an opportunity to highlight and amplify causes, but that was considered too political, and she was too much of her own person. To them, they probably thought she was using the royals as a way to promote herself, hence the Me-gain, while to her, she probably thought she had to prove she was serious and hardworking, and could be an ambassador for the royal family and give back to society, especially being an outsider new to the institution and the country.
The fact Camilla T is pretending the “celebrity world” is “more demanding” than Royals is laughable to me. These are the people who have servants who wait on their every whim, who notoriously underpay their employees, and generally expect everyone to defer to them.
There have been too many stories of actual demanding behavior regarding Charles (has servants to clean his riding boots and squeeze toothpaste onto his toothbrush), Philip (yelling take the f*cking picture at a photographer), Andrew (ramming a gate at Windsor Castlebecause he didn’t want to drive a mile to one that was open), and Anne (especially how she treats the press and banned them from covering her events).
Camilla’s a lying liar who lies.
^^ ITA! Exactly!
If indeed palace employees were behind much of the leaks and smears regarding Meghan’s work ethic and such then each and every one of them should be fired. I can’t even imagine any employee is so indispensable that vile behavior such as this could be tolerated and the fact that it is says so much about the Firm.
This article only proves that the royals and their courtiers/employees are out of touch, out of date and irrelevant.
I think this is an attempt to throw the Palace staff under the bus.
They spent the last 3 years saying Meghan was treated like gold, like a Princess; literally.
Now they are changing their tunes and saying ‘hmmm… maybe the staff were not that nice’. Remember that Tominey is Carol’s mouthpiece.
Where do the staff get the liberty to be mean to someone? Are they implying that the Palace is a toxic environment? Remember stories for staff trying to block Harry from seeing his grandmother to discuss leaving? These people aren’t just doing this shit for the fun of it. They are getting their orders from someone. Either it’s senior courtiers/ advisors or other members of the RF.
Eventually it’ll all come out. The tactics, the bullying. This is just sowing the seeds to the real picture.
I have been a royal family follower since before Diana came on the scene, and the one question I’ve always had was why do the courtiers have such power over the monarch and the family? It’s always seemed to me that they are really the ones in charge. Many of them come from generations of courtiers, so there is an entrenched system in place. Diana ran afoul of them, they made her life miserable, and no one called them out for it. That tells me it was sanctioned, just like the treatment of Meghan. It feels for all the world like a shadow monarchy – they call the shots, and the Queen and the others obey. I can’t recall any time when I heard any stories of her pulling them up short and letting them know they work for the monarch, not the other way around. It’s like enabling bad behavior – if you let someone get away with it once, it will be set in stone from then on. They seem to have all the toys in the toy box, and never get scolded for it.
It is probably because the Queen is a weak leader.
Babz ——I think the word that applies to the monarchy and the courtiers is ‘symbiotic.’ One can’t seem to exist without the other, much to the current detriment to the monarchy. Unfortunately, I think Queen Elizabeth tried too hard in the beginning to continue her father’s reign and to listen and obey her mother’s directions. It cost her a lot in her relationship with Phillip and —- as ArtHistorian says, —- it weakened her. It has taken her decades to really be any sort of strong monarch outside the shadow of her parents. However, it is ingrained in her now and she is still very much too much a chip off the old block. Unfortunately, the world has moved on and no matter how much the Firm and the courtiers think they can hold back progress and keep the clocks stopped, they cannot. To Charles’ credit, I believe he realizes this.
Up until Charles, the only Royal with a decent education was Queen Mary. Queen Victoria, educated by Prince Albert, had a mind of her own. Lack of a proper well-rounded education is a big part of the problem IMHO.
The only two really strong constitutional monarchs since June of 1837 have been Victoria I and Queen Consort Mary. If anyone thinks that Queen Mary was not running the show, I have a very long list of great books on the subject which I will e-mail you. All of the rest have registered anywhere on the Reign scale from weak to very weak.
The staff do the dirty work for the royals. They wouldn’t dare do this unless it was sanctioned. They know their place too.
Victoria stopped doing her job not long after Albert died. Talk of a republic started because she hid herself from the public for years.
@Babz you’re spot on. I was reading a book by Tina Brown. Prince Phillip mentioned to Diana the courtiers treated him horrible as well.
@Babz: I think a big part of it is because a lot of the Royals are so used to being served, they are not used to being independent and as a result are very reliant on the courtiers.
I also think a lot of it is down to the courtiers having a LOT of dirt on them. After Prince Andrew’s interview, stories came out that ‘massage therapists’ would come to Buckingham Palace to see him, and that he shouted at security for asking his ‘guests’ to sign the visitor’s book (guess they have to keep a tab on who comes in and out of the Palace for security measures). I don’t know how true these rumours are, but these people see a lot and probably use that dirt to get the Royals to do what they want; not that I’m excusing the Royals behaviours either – they are also complicit in this.
I wouldn’t be suprised if Harry and Meghan didn’t play their tune and was punished for it.
@JA Lowcountry Lady said:
“… I think Queen Elizabeth tried too hard in the beginning to continue her father’s reign and to listen and obey her mother’s directions. It cost her a lot in her relationship with Phillip and —- as ArtHistorian says, —- it weakened her. It has taken her decades to really be any sort of strong monarch outside the shadow of her parents…”
^^ I agree. Also, it’s important to factor in that since Elizabeth was so young (25) when her father died and she became Queen, it was easy for the old men in the British government to manipulate her. And being unsure of her footing in those early years, and dutiful to the nth degree, QE-II complied and only asserted herself on certain matters when more time had passed and she’d become more comfortable in her role.
It’s very true that the Queen (nor her sister) had been well-educated. At the age of 13, appalled government officials decided to teach Elizabeth important facts about British history and government.
Damn! They really miss them! Why can they leave this couple be? They run them out and still harassing them in the distance.
They truly miss them! I hope they miss them for the rest of their pitiful careers!
I was out at “before the First World War”. Good Lord.
But seriously, I can see how Meghan rubbed them the wrong way. You’re not supposed to come in and have ideas, you’re supposed to come in and offer up your uterus on a silver platter. The fact that she is mixed race was probably what pushed them over the edge. She was too much. Too much glam, too much brains, too much beauty. But let’s also not be revisionist. The racism came out EARLY.
I do love the crap Dickie spewed. I guess Americans can’t be anti-Muslim because they invaded Iraq.
emmy!!!!! I am STILL laughing at this: “I was out at “before the First World War”. Good Lord”.
“I was out at “before the First World War”. Good Lord.”
LOL! I see what you mean.
The first world war was the real end of the Edwardian Age. The British Monarchy underwent more change in the way they do business during and after the way than they ever had previously done or probably ever will again. The change in the British Monarchy was necessary due to the changes and modernization of British life in general after WWI.
I didn’t even think that far. As a German, this just threw me completely. We … err, tend not to romanticize the way things were 100 years ago. For us WWII is the watershed moment in our history after which we entered a new era. There’s a before and after and the before is really just history. Anything before 1933, we can’t really seem to incorporate into our collective memory, it’s just there on paper. It’s hard to explain when your history is so defined by one thing. We have no connection to the “Kaiserreich” I guess. People really side-eye you hard when you start a sentence with “in the old days”.
So when I read “before the First World War” as an explanation for ANYthing that happens in 2020, I kinda need to reboot for a sec.
No problem emmy. I have done a metric-tonne of world history reading on the period from the American Civil War to the end of WWI.
When “A distinguished British historian” speaks of before WWI no one worried about the lower ranking royals because they would be married off and therefore have a job in another country, he is speaking of Beatrice & Eugenie and to some degree Princess Margaret. Before WWI British Royal Princess were married to German Grand Dukes and move to Germany to become Grand Ducal Consorts and help their husbands rule their Grand Duchies or Sovereign Kingdoms.
I love history but I’m not gonna lie, European royalty ca. 17th to 19th century just gives me a massive headache. I prefer the Byzantine Empire, the Ottoman Empire, and my favorite, modern Greece. And yeah, Germany in the 20th century. But those Kings and Queens and all the crazy sh*t they engaged in… I should read up on it.
I still maintain that that sentence was bonkers in connection to the modern royals. 🙂
I think her racial background, nationality, and showbiz career were all factors. As an African American who lived in England, one can’t underestimate how much some Brits loathe Americans–of any color. I heard anti-American sentiment all the time, and I was an American they considered “likeable.” I am more introverted with a softer voice, so I avoided the “obnoxious American” label. Some people were also really interested in meeting a black American. I am not patriotic, so I can’t say that I was offended by many of their views on Americans, many of which were warranted and targeted white Americans, but it was something I observed regularly.
I’m a Franco-German citizen, I can say with my experiance the anti-American sentiment is very strong in Europe, particulary in Uk. In the case of Meghan the fact of being an actress, American, divorced, older that Harry a gived to a press, the Windsors and theirs courtiers an excuse to hide theirs racist because they can use these different reasons to justify their horrible behavior towards she .
For example the story that Meghan would have been an authoritarian and pretentious diva who made the poor white duchess cry. They justified this by the fact that it was an American actress from Hollywood and not because of their racists.
It is weird that the big fuss is made over Meghan being a divorcee when 3/4 of the Queen’s children are divorced two remarried. And Meghan worked for a living unlike Kate who had sporadic part time jobs and was just waiting at the phone for William to call. She’s not that much older than Harry and so what she’s an American. One of the most historical Other Women figures, Camilla got in and DIana an aristo got cast out. So there seems to be new standards for Meghan that were not applied to her predecessors. The Kate crying story was quite repulsive, if it true, she may have just done it to make trouble for Meghan.
Good Old Boy Dickie mentioned on twitter, the money is drying up. No television interviews etc. Let me play my violin.
The press did NOT welcome her and the palace was all to happy to let the abuse continue because she dared open her mouth and have ideas. Things spun out of control when things got personal as H&M continued to work around them and William needed a cover up for his affair. That’s when the press got in the drivers seat as far as the hate campaign is concerned imo.
I am 100% that the media would not have gone to town on Meghan without the permission of the Palace. There was some sort of agreement and it’s going to come to light.
@Ruby_Woo, – I agree with you 100%. If the Palace did not actively give their permission then they actively looked away and/or buried their head in the sand or a Rose bush.
I agree, Ruby. The press isn’t going to let themselves be the sole reason Meghan and Harry left. I think as their foundation/non-profit becomes successful and their post royal lives are obviously going well, we’re going to see more gloves come off between the royals and the press because there will be a sense of “they could have brought that to the royals.”
We all know that the royals are behind the racist bullying. The media was all to happy to be apart of it.
Maybe it was because it is the New Yorker, but even the tone of Tominey and Arbiter was so much more subdued. Those people are so gross.
Camilla Tominney wrote about there not being more white faces on the Forces for Change issue.
Straight Outta Compton was not about welcoming Meghan.
Gaslighting is right. We saw all this happen.
Why is it so hard for the media to call out the BRF and the royal reporters for their trash behavior?
The closest is Caity Weaver calling them out through humor.
Tina Brown is reportedly writing a book and we’ll see if it’s The Mouse who Roated part deux or if Brown toes the party line.
What we need is a Kitty Kelley type who will spill everything.
Camel Toe (thanks, Twitter) gives herself extra special credit for outing the couple early in their romance. She has since been nothing but a bitter beotch, “incandescent with rage”, because of lack of access. Every chance she gets, she derides the Sussexes. Regarding Tina Brown, I’ve no trust there and think she will tow the line, feigning the “both sides” approach, but will manage to paint Harry as weak, emotionally and mentally, for sensationalism.
I hope you are wrong about Tina Brown.
I came up with the Cameltoe Meanie moniker, lol. She’s nothing but a low-level petty bitch. One of the worst. A blatant liar, saying that Kate’s 5 Questions nonsense was “eight years in the making.” Pure BS. How can anyone respect a liar?
@BTB, she’s gotta sell that book, and the more royalists (Bad Harry) and Diana-era (Poor Harry) fans she can attract via good reviews, SM, etc., the better.
@kellebelle, thank you! That nickname cracks me up every time I see it. And, yes, she is a liar and a racist.
Thanks Olenna!
@Kellebelle If that stupid 5 question survey was 8 years in the making then that’s the saddest thing ever. Maybe this is what they mean by how the Palace is slower? I mean 2 projects in under 2 years may be too much for poor palace. They are used to the lazy Duchess and not one that WANTS to work.
I do love how the press are pinning it on the palace. They are turning on each other. I hope we eventually get the full story.
@Olenna – You may be correct but I think the major markey for the book is the USA. If I am not mistaken, Anne Glenconner’s new book has sold more copies in the USA than in the UK.
@Olenna -I’m in agreement. All I see from Tina Brown are the same old stories written with enough snark to fool people.
@BTB,
I have to question, who is going to buy this book in the first place? IMO, it will be RRs, royal commentators, royalists, royal watchers and anti-Meghan stans mostly. Having read her February 2020 NYT interview, I think Brown will definitely lean heavy on the poor, broken (and broke) Harry trope. It’s what feeds the insatiable hunger for bad news about the Sussexes–PH’s “betrayal” and Meghan’s dark magic that’s overtaken him–and Tina will capitalize on this because 1) she has no access to the couple, and 2) Like @Anonymous says, she’s going to have rehash tabloid news to make it interesting.
@Olenna – I am going to buy a copy of the book and will loan to any of my fellow CeleBitches that would like to read it. LOL!
I really enjoyed her book on Diana.
They’re obsessed with the Sussexes! Kate, Tominey, the entire pack of RRs, they’re all OBSESSED with Meghan! They don’t stop thinking or writing about her. It’s scary. Get a restraining order Meg.
I do not think they are obsessed with Meghan. I think the Royal Reporters, racist and non-racist, are obsessed with revenue and paycheck funds. Camilla Tominey and others will say & write whatever some pays her to say & write.
The only one who is not in this for the money alone is Piers Morgan as he made it perfectly clear that depsises Meghan on a personal level.
No, its not just about paychecks and clicks. I know that is a big idea here, but its definitely not just about that.
Emily Andrews, Rebecca English, Richard Palmer – these people have a personal vendetta against Meghan. Its disturbing.
Constantly boiling it down to “revenue and clicks” is overlooking how disturbing some of the RRs are.
I knew about the Piers’ personally vendetta (how could one not be aware) but was not aware of Emily, Rebecca & Richard’s personal vendettas.
Thank you Becks. There is a decisive agenda in play and it has nothing to do with clicks. They will not stop until they destroy all of Harry and Meghan’s hopes and dreams and render them unsuccessful. Only the future future king must appear successful and popular and go down in history as beloved.
Thank you @ Becks1, very well said. I know how BTB loves to chalk everything to just clicks and nothing else I just SMDH every time I read that. No, these people are racist hateful stalkers. Their obsession with Meghan and Harry knows no boundaries. And ALL their articles are about: how dare the biracial woman marry into our RF? How dare she be this beautiful, assertive, and full of ideas? How dare she outshine the white English rose even when she tries her darnedest to dim her shine? How dare the biracial woman be this smart, self made, have a work ethic, be philanthropic, have her own friends and connections pre Harry? Like how dare the black woman live her life, how dare she invade our white people space?
I totally agree, Becks1. For many of these reporters ( they certainly don’t deserve to be called journalists), it is obvious that their feelings about Meghan are disturbingly personal. I truly don’t think they will be happy until they can trash her at her funeral, which I think they are hoping will come soon. The only good thing about this is they think they are way more important Then they are, and that their views carry way more weight than they do. In the large, large world, they are truly a very small voice. One that is barely noted or heard by the majority of the world.
@Bay there is something personal in how they cover her. They take pleasure in being able to tear her down and actively encourage the racist twitter trolls. I’m not sure if its obvious just from the articles how mean-spirited some of these reporters are regarding Meghan but its really obvious on twitter. There’s a glee in being able to report something negative.
@BabsORIG & Becks1 – I agree with everything you both say. I agree so much that I usually read your posts at least twice if I have time. I love you both as cyber-sisters in crime.
Here is my point: Meghan & Harry generate revenue via clicks, books sold and newspapers sold. Employed writers write about them because that is what their editors want to see and, to a point, it aids in currying favor with Cain & Unable if this is what a Royal Reporter wishes to do.
Why did the New Yorker not profile Princess Anne or Sophie & Edward Essex? I tell you why; because no one except die-hard ardent Royal Watches are interested in Princess Anne or Sophie & Edward Essex especially the commentariat of the British Tabloids.
With Piers Morgan it is 100% hate and spite but with other Royal Reporters, and people who pass themselves off as such, I think the dislike is there but I do not think it is anywhere near the Piers Morgan level.
ETA: Today the DM ran a story running down British Vogue. Why did The Daily Fail run this story” They ran the story because The Daily Fail commentariat HATES British Vogue. I do not believe any reporter or writer for The Daily Fail actively hates British Vogue.
I think prior to Meghan a lot of these reporters had a reasonably ok relationship with harry. But with meghans arrival came the Cambridge’s collusion with these reporters to trash the hell out of her, whilst embiggening them. The smear campaign started on day 1. I don’t think these reporters knew at the beginning just how much of a money maker Meghan would be when they aligned themselves with the Cambridge’s, I think they thought that the Cambridge’s are the future so it was smarter to side with them. These RRs wanted to have their cake and eat it. The wanted to trash the hell out of Meghan whilst still getting all the access they wanted from them. They didn’t expect harry to put his foot down and cut them off. Hence why they are so mad at him. These RRs took the wrong side, now they are stuck with the ones that don’t make them any cash what-so-ever. The thing is these RRs could of had it all, cos H+M wouldn’t have cut them off if they had genuinely treated them fairly.
They’re obsessed with the fact that a bi-racial American married into the royal family. They’re insulted that the royal bloodlines have been sullied and tainted by a half-black woman. They are simply a bunch of smug, fusty, royal-adjacent twats mired in generations of white supremacy. That she is smart, hard-working, philanthropic and gorgeous inside and out matters not a whit. Rule Britannia.
Agreed. These people see the royal family (and probably the aristocracy overall) as sacrosanct. A foreigner marrying into the RF is one thing, but to have that foreigner be nonwhite as well? It must’ve been unthinkable to them before Meghan came along. They expected a blue blood girl for Harry, or at least a white commoner like Kate. When POC enter spaces where they supposedly don’t belong, a LOT of nasty attitudes get exposed. See Michelle Obama as FLOTUS for instance.
@RoyalBlue: they can continue for as long as they like. Their articles can get some views and there’ll be some pearl clutching from the trolls, but that’s really it.
Harry and Meghan are gone now and are untouchable. Their kickass farewell tour showed just how untouchable they were. You could script or pay for the reception the school children gave Meghan for her visit.
Let them try to destroy her. They’ve destroyed their own sanity, happiness and credibility while they were at it.
The only solace I take is that the British tabloids have been seriously financially hit by the pandemic and I will relish their downfall.
Well said Ruby. They have destroyed their sanity in the process.
@ruby woo, I popped in the shop today, and it will please you to know that all the newspapers, especially the tabloids were in heaps of piles, including the daily mail with the Harry is finding it hard in America headline. No one is touching these papers, not even as loo rolls, in view of it’s shortage. The smear and sabotage started long before the wedding, they tried with her father, that was their secret weapon, that failed, and they have been trying since. However, they did not count on Harry to be so strong in his resolve to protect his family, and get the hell out of UK. It started from The Palaces. Excluding Clarence hse. Charles is bullied by William, because William is the darling of the press. See how Charles is always dragged, for the slightest thing, but not William. William should wait his turn, Charles has waited this long,
Whenever, I go to the supermarket, I cover other newspapers on top the tabloid papers to hide them, lol.
I have to be sneaky though, I will pretend to read a paper’s front page and then… Ooops, what did I do? Put it on top of the pile of the Daily Mail/ Sun/ Telegraph so others can’t see they’re there.
“For Heaven’s sake, the Queen is a colonizer.” is the funniest accidental takedown of Grandma Lizzie I’ve ever seen.
Of course tominey and Dickie Arbiter are going to deny that there was racism involved. They were two of the ones who were pushing the idea that Meghan didn’t know her place, etc. They cant look back and say “well maybe we were a bit racist.” And I’m generally a fan of the New Yorker, but asking two old white people about racism probably isn’t going to give you an objective answer.
As for the rest – well, I can believe that Meghan maybe didn’t understand how many unspoken rules or traditions there were. But as soon as someone starts talking about her “demands” I have to roll my eyes.
I roll my eyes too as no “journalist” has gone into detail about these so-called “demands”.
Right?? Its always these vague claims about her demands and how hard she pushed her staff, but apparently she got along really well with her staff and so far I haven’t heard of any demands beyond “candles for the church.”
From the moment Harry and Meghan’s relationship was revealed, Arbiter kept insisting that Meghan was nothing more than a fling and not suitable to be his wife, right up until everyone suspected an engagement announcement was on the way. I think people severely underestimate the personal prejudices and biases of these royal reporters when talking about coverage.
Camilla T, was the one who gleefully announced to the world that, Meghan was considered an interloper, and that she is a degree wife, meaning the marriage will only last 3yrs, and thus comments were allegedly made by a senior royal and the courtiers. Meghan was up against it, Harry found out, that is why he left with his wife. So one can’t be a brizella at their own wedding, considering all the sabotage by daily mail days before the wedding. Tell me which woman hasn’t? The truth will all come out oneday.
The Cambridges put those trees in Westminster Abbey. If Meghan did that the tabs would go on a rant.
EDIT: The comment I was replying to was deleted
First mistake, Ms. Read, is that discussions between Harry, Charles, and the Queen had been in place well before they Sussexes dropped the bomb. For a New Yorker writer, this inaccuracy should never have found its way into an article published at this late date. Or, at the least, this inaccuracy should have been caught by the editorial staff the magazine is so proud of for its fact-checking. In the time Mead spent researching the utterly boring, irrelevant, word-padding history of Prince Augustus Frederick, she could have discovered the real timeline of the exit talks.
Second, she mentions how Meghan wanted to scent the church for her wedding as a misstep, and later, way down in the article, includes the fact that Kate did the same for her nuptials. It is the perfect example of how the two women (outsiders) were treated differently by the media. By separating the two facts she misses out on the chance to show how the tabloids truly twisted Meghan’s every move.
But this quote truly gives away the establishment’s prejudice: “In the U.K., the legacy of the nation’s colonial history is omnipresent, and there is a less well-established black middle class than exists in America. (Gary Younge, a sociology professor) Younge said, “Most black Britons of Meghan’s age—their grandparents or parents would have been bus drivers or nurses or train drivers. They would have had working-class jobs, and the Royal Family never marries anybody with a working-class background.”
Working class. The shame! That must be what gives middle-class Party Pieces heiress Kate her airs and justifies her snubbing Meghan. Harry, how could you?
Carole grew up on a council estate which is as working class as it gets in the UK, so in fact Meghan’s parents had far more middle class backgrounds than Kate’s did. While there should be no criticism based on where a parent grew up, it does highlight the difference in treatment because it is Carole and the goldsmith side that are the working class folks but you would never know from the way it was covered by the media. Doria was assumed to be from the ghetto because she is black.
The problem though is that Carole *at least* acts middle class. The Markles act far below working class. I’ve always thought that that was a much bigger problem for Meghan than even her race.
@Bella DuPont have you read the stories about Kate’s dear Uncle Gary? Drunk and beating up his wife? Is that middle class or “royal”? The thing is Kate doesn’t have her relatives’ behavior hung around her neck like an albatross the way Meghan does. Kate gets painted as the perfect future future queen regardless. Why is that? And frankly look at Andrew’s behavior and how the rest of the royals cover up for him. He’s worse than anything Meghan’s money-grubbing family has done. But dear oh dear me, Meghan doesn’t wear pantyhose and starts work too early! Let me stop, I feel a Sam Jackson string of expletives coming on.
Carole was criticized for a while during the dating years but she’s white so it doesn’t matter what her family does because it’s not worse than being black.
Thanks Lady D, I just wrote them.
Thank you Harper! Very revealing analysis of article. And 👎🏽 To The New Yorker and the author of this article. I’m a big fan of this magazine, but this article was very poorly researched and fact checked. Badly done.
Hopefully, the masses will let the magazine know this.
themail@newyorker.com
Ah yes, the Commonwealth has black people in it, so the Queen can’t possibly be racist. the British Empire ruled India and the slave trade went via Africa, so there couldn’t any racists involved with that either! Give me a break, Dickie.
And this rewrite of history that Meghan was accepted at the start is utter bull. Harry had to put out a statement in 2016 about the racist press she was getting!
Meghan and Harry had Archie right away, that was the problem in their minds.
They really thought that they can decide that Harry was gonna chose them and send Meghan on her way.
It was Harry’s responsibility to help Meghan navigate the unspoken rules and traditions. I put more “blame,” if there is to be any, on Harry more so than Meghan.
Harry did help in every way in Meghan’s learning curve and we all know she’s a very quick learner. He is absolutely blameless and can’t control the tidal wave of racist snark she had to go through from his despicable family and the tabloids.
Absolutely agree.
Harry did. He put a release when they were still dating for them to knock it off. The writing was on the wall then.
There was never going to be any pleasing them. He was not defending the woman he loved and was going to eventually marry, he was defending a black woman.
Those people felt that Meghan was a nobody from nowhere and they could treat her like shit. Period end of story. That story was written from the beginning and nobody including Harry was going to change that narrative. To be honest, and I hate to say this but I’m starting to feel like Harry is either incredibly naive (dumb) regarding his family and the upper classes or that he used Meghan as his escape pod to get out of there. He saw the way Kate was regarded before she became the white savior of the monarchy. How could he see Meghan faring any better? Unless they agreed that this was how it would go down. Either way it seems messed up to me.
Mslam, I think Harry must have been naive regarding his family, the engagement comment about being the “family she never had” seemed quite genuine. I also think that he did expect that people would like Meghan because she was not like Kate, or rather, could avoid those problems Kate had. Kate was dragged mostly for laziness and lack of a job, inappropriate dress and sometimes her stupidity in her interactions. The middle class roots sometimes were seen as something to mock, but as often as not were lauded as giving her a fresh, modern, down to earth approach to royalty- and we all know how that turned out. Meghan too, was going to “hit the ground running” in terms of work, and she basically didn’t stop working till Archie was born. She was highly respectful of the Queen, and if she didn’t know what was appropriate protocol, was confident enough to ask (thinking of her asking the Queen politely what her preference was when she was unsure whether she was supposed to enter the car first on their joint engagement.) Her dress was modest and usually correct. And all her interactions show she has a lively intelligence, is interested in people, and has made an effort to learn about who they are. I honestly think Harry thought those things about Meghan would be valued, and any initial criticism would be overcome. Certainly, Meghan desired and made an effort to please. I think Harry did not (and could not) truly understand how deeply rooted racism is, as a privileged white male, however sympathetic he may be. I think Harry has faced some nasty truths since his marriage that he was not expecting. However, it also seems to me, that those who dont have a vested interest in ‘putting Meghan in her place’, like the royal family, staff and the tabloids, DO appreciate and love Meghan for herself and have judged her on her own behaviour, hence the overwhelmingly positive response to everything they do. I think the very noisy, negativite nitpicking in the press, despicable though it is, is not at all representative of how they are actually seen.
And it is so gross that Harry is called a wimp by the critics just because he showed some real strength by protecting his wife.
The New Yorker is the gold standard for American journalism and has no agenda in this issue. If it has a viewpoint it’s a neolib upper middle class East Coast one, one that would be inclined to be sympathetic to Meghan.
Did you see Get Out?
That background is no guarantee of being sympathetic to minorities.
The NYer is the gold standard of American journalism and are sympathetic to Meghan? LOL, you are just….I don’t know…yeah. Just the fact that in ALL the UK, the NYer chose to interviewed TWO. WHITE. RRs who are on several records spewing and writing racist rants against Harry and Meghan and Archie, these 2 RR were chosen to give an opinion on a biracial woman said 2 RR have been racists agains says everything about the NYer being the golden standard of American Journalism. Nuff said.
Lmfao mumbles. Every comment you make is worse than the last.
➕💯 Natalee.
Yup,
➕💯 Natalee.
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No lies told! Thank you, Natalee.
Mumbles, neoliberal white American elites have a lot of unexamined prejudices, including racism. The New Yorker is very insular, very exclusionary, and very white. Its entire tone is hierarchical. The East Coast is not some bastion of equality. I can’t even with this. Neoliberalism has been criticized up and down for perpetuating oppression.
I will never forget opening the Harvard alumni magazine (a friend went there), and seeing a retroactive quasi-defense of colonialism couched in the exact terms Margaret Atwood parodies at the end of the Handmaid’s Tale. This was maybe ten years ago now.
The East Coast elites are part and parcel of colonialism and imperialism. You cannot expect racial justice from them.
Well said, @Elizabeth.
I agree @Becks1- it’s not just about clicks& revenue for a lot of the rota. Many of them have a very personal dislike of Meghan. It might be because of her pre royal politics when most work for right wing papers& probably oppose her views.
But there’s many anecdotes about royal reporters trolling her, saying she was ‘too sexy’ to be a royal& even on the Oceana tour before the smear campaign started in earnest& before the media lost out on birth& christening photo ops, an Australian reporter said reporters were saying marriage wouldn’t last& taking the mick out of her. Sounds like she never stood a chance with that lot.
And I agree the New Yorker could have also sought views of black journalists like Afua Hirsh on if coverage was racist.
Demands were probably like wanting to choose own florists for the wedding (the outrage!) but probably related to work too. Wasn’t that where her ‘west coast energy’& her texts with ideas was apparently driving staff to the edge? I think Emmy was right- she was just meant to bring her womb& let them mould her, not have her own ideas for her role. Didn’t they say Kate’s first patronages were chosen for her?
I bet their marriage lasts longer than most of these Royal Reporters’ careers.
The new Yorker writer didn’t ask Camilla or Dickie point blank what makes Britain so toxic that the second most popular royal took his biracial wife and son and said bye. It’s funny isn’t it how many Brits of certain hue cannot fully deal with the implications of their behavior and are scrambling to find any other reason to scapegoat for Harry, Diana’s baby boy, looking at this post-Brexit island and saying it wasn’t good enough for him.
Dickie Arbiter is a pompous ass and an outdated racist idiot. Cameltoe Meanie has zero credibility. She’s one of the worst RRs there is. I’d rather listen to fingernails on a blackboard, thank you.
I do feel like Meghan was accepted by the press in the beginning/had more favourable media coverage. I remember people raving about her first trip with the Queen right after the wedding and how Kate – at that point- never had a solo trip with the Queen. People pointedly mentioned about how she got to sleep in the train overnight and Kate never got that. How the corgis all loved Meghan and Meghan’s dog travelled with the Queen to Windsor for the wedding.
I personally noticed a shift in coverage and the tone that she was reported in after Harry and Meghan’s first overseas trip. I think their popularity in the Pacific made people jealous.
It did, and by “people” I’m sure you mean William and Kate. 😉 That’s exactly what it did.
Yup that tour really set things off. Then William has an affair to cover up and well, the rest is history.
That’s simply not true about the press being warm first. I think the day of the engagement& the wedding day were only true generally positive days. The day after the wedding the Fail was warning her to keep her politics to herself. And then that summer Markle snr started his rants so then the press were accusing her of being a bad daughter for allegedly shutting him out.
Months before Oceana tour there were all the fake breaking protocol stories which were basically designed to suggest she doesn’t fit in/was a rebel. Even on that day out with the Queen they had a breaking protocol story as Meghan had to ask who should get into the car first
The Guardian covered the coverage here https://www.theguardian.com/global/2020/jan/18/meghan-gets-more-than-twice-as-many-negative-headlines-as-positive
Agree, ABritGuest. I’m not even sure the engagement coverage was that good as they really trolled her for her one of her dresses, her touchy freely interaction with ‘Prince‘, and —- I remember one article — slammed her for talking to much during the engagement interview. How she should have let Harry speak the most and been more demure. I think the only decent coverage she got was the wedding day and that was because the RR nitpicking was drowned out by the vast majority of the world press. But there was snark from them about wedding choices, reverend’s speech, and snickers from royal family. That nastiness just got lost in the overwhelming positive coverage from the world press.
@JA Lowcountry Lady – Yes! The Daily Fail harping began with the so-called disclosure that the Ralph & Russo black dress retailed for $80,000.00.
Yeah, I think this sums up the (very) short-term positive coverage she got from the the press. I remember when the rumors of her dating Harry first popped up, the press covered her in a way to imply she was the type of woman only worth a short-term fling. Then, the Straight Outta Compton article hit and the was only a warm-up for what they had in store for her.
Not really. Like @ABritGuest said, the only truly positive coverage she got was on the engagement announcement and the wedding day. IMO Archie’s birth coverage also wasn’t that positive because you could tell how bitter many of the royal reporters were about the limited access and the lack of a Lindo Wing shot.
You are correct Beach Dreams. The tabloids claimed that Meghan lied to them about the timing of her labor & delivery. The tabloids said they were told she was in labor after she had already given birth.
@Bay, I can just hear Meghan screaming her head off while pushing and shouting “Don’t tell the press!” Lol! These people (RR) are truly another species.
Blah blah blah. This $hit has gotten old and Im frankly over these low-key hit pieces relitigating old news. No one cares. The RRs lost their golden goose and now they are stuck with the Bores.
The media never liked her. NEVER! Every fluff piece they reported was countered with two criticisms. Every premarital city tour was followed by an expose from a former friend, leaks of old videos and pictures, nasty interviews from her father and sister. Every glowing commendation from her former work colleagues was countered by a whisper and exaggeration from a courtier. This started way way way before the pacific tour. But it was only while on the pacific tour when all the gloves came off and Kensington was exposed.
They hate her because she is not a blue blood royal and therefore to them doesn’t deserve that elevated position and ought to know her place. She is too front and center for their taste. Kate earned it after all these years by biding her time and being a doormat for her blue blood husband. Her deference to her masters was rewarded with ribbons and tiaras and go easy Reporting as commanded by the courtiers.
Agree with all of this. I would like to add though that it took even Doormat Cathy years of marriage and two royal babies to get her pastel ribbons that show the queen finally approved of her publicly. Even for all her time -biding, heir bearing and following protocol, the Queen was still projecting that Kate wasn’t blue blood. If I recall correctly, Diana received those dress-ruining ribbons very quickly after her marriage to Charles.
Lol keen Katie got her because she kept her mouth during cheating scandal.
Yeah, I agree with Aria. The fact that Kate stayed buttoned up during the start & “peak” of the Rose dilemma earned her those orders. She could’ve pulled a Diana if she really wanted to, or even worked with her mother to push out some vague but suggestive “poor Kate is being neglected by Wills” stories.
Different from Diana . The other woman was always around from the time she dated Charles. Kate and her family worked all those years campaigning for the Ring. I have a feeling that if anything went wrong with the marriage of Kate and william Kate would be blamed even by her own family.
Kate was accepted the day she — I’m imagining — had tea with the Queen and agreed to keep her mouth shut about William’s Rose Bush and stay on the job. (I’m betting William had cheated before, but this time it was going to go public and nasty, unless ALL parties agreed to shut it down.) That’s the day, she was accepted by the Queen. Unfortunately, Meghan was never going to be accepted as she is not married to the future future King and thus, the royal family truly had no F**ks to give her, ever!
@Aria – I am with you girl. I think QEII gave the UK public her acknowledgement of acceptance of Unable by giving those orders to Cathy Cambridge because Cathy did not “do a Diana”.
Yea. They made her work for those ribbons. What? 13 years of waiting? Countless curtsying to Camilla and the York sisters. Submission to her husband by never outshining him or expressing an opinion or showing a sense of purpose and working hard. Bring forced to wear boring pump shoes for work, Know for years about her husband’s frequent philandering but you are right. It was only when the news broke publicly and she bit her tongue that they Threw her a crumb.
“she is not a blue blood royal” — but it’s more than that. Meghan is not white and not British. The Doormat of Cambridge is also not a blue blood, and she is unintelligent, unambitious, and dull. BUT, Kate is white and British. Racists will always want to see “one of their own” succeed over the “other kind.” Which also explains why the attacks on Kate immediately took a 180-turn when Meghan arrived, and now Kate is the perfect future queen.
Meghan would have been an absolute rock start for the Firm. She knows how to show her work. She would have given them a new shine and helped to usher them into this age. What a bunch of racist idiots, family & courtiers alike. Race & popularity over what’s best for the Monarchy. Pathetic & ridiculous.
Meghan’s HUB cookbook making money for her charity and Cathy’s charity going financially bust is also not what’s best for the Monarchy in the eyes of the courtiers and QEII.
“Well, last time I checked, nobody I know ever dressed up as a Nazi for a fancy-dress party.”
A fancy dress party??? It was a “native and colonial” party!!! A completely racist, tone deaf, white supremacist theme. There is no excuse for Harry dressing up as a Nazi, but there’s also no excuse for calling what that was a “fancy dress party.”
“The Queen is the head of the Commonwealth.” Yeah, of countries that GB colonized for its own financial gain!
These two “reporter” tricks need to retire. Yikes all around.
In the UK, a costume party is called a fancy dress party.
And the theme was William’s idea. I remember Jecca got to sit at his table.
That was the Out of Africa party for William’s 21st birthday. Lots of rich white kids “costumed” in traditional African clothes. I remember seeing a picture of a blond girl with cornrows. Trash.
Yes, and William did blackface at that same party.
What’s funny is how William was the host for the party, and apparently selected Harry’s Costume (which was an Afrika Korp uniform worn by Rommel and aligned with the “Colonials and Natives” theme of the party since Nazis held Namibia as a colony and invaded British held colonies in North Africa), and William dressed up as an African chief with Black tights, animal print tunic and headdress (which is even underplayed in this article from 2005). The palace protected the heir and left the spare to be torn apart but the wolves.
https://amp.theguardian.com/uk/2005/jan/13/monarchy.comment
So the “niggling doubts”, “Straight Outta Compton” headlines and blatant double standards are just good fun, eh?
In other news, water is wet.
Dear Dumb Royal Reporters,
Congratulations. You just gave Meghan’s lawyers in her lawsuit the ammunition to argue the reporters have to NAME their palace sources in court. It’s now on the record thanks to these geniuses. If the queen pulls the plug it will stick it was a smear campaign. It was dumb to spill this with the Sussexes out of the country. The lawsuit has not been dropped.
It seems to be forgotten that the OUt of Africa (Colonial Africa) was William’s idea, he called for that theme for his birthday party. Yet that is not mentioned.
I think the nazi costume argument is hilarious. Yeah, it was a shitty thing for Harry to do (the who party’s theme was awful). But he obviously learned from it. If they’re saying, “we not racist, Harry is one who dressed up as a nazi,” I would have to counter with “then how racist you must be for someone who once dressed up as a nazi to call you out?”
I agree it’s good to get a wide range of views. Hearing from Dickie Arbiter (who dismissed Meghan as just a fling at first& is now defending against charges of racism on basis that the Queen has black/brown subjects) and Camilla Tominey (who used a White supremacist conspiracy theorist as a source for her Meghan mosque story& complained of not enough white women on cover of Vogue Meghan edited) has actually reinforced issues in the palace& media whether they know it or not.
But the writer could& should have sought views from black journalists as well on the question of whether the coverage was racist. I doubt it would be acceptable to have a piece on MeToo if only male opinions were highlighted.
I agree that Harry was one to tell her about unwritten rules/traditions but that’s assuming they were playing fair which they clearly weren’t. Eg big common complaint was that Meghan didn’t wear a hat on outing with the Queen as that’s a rule& meghan was told the Queen would be wearing one so should have known that she should wear one too. So can someone explain why we didn’t hear of similar complaints when the Queen& the future queen consorts did fortnum& mason engagement a few years ago and Camilla& Kate weren’t wearing hats when the Queen was? And as per the NY article it wasn’t an issue for staff when Kate had scented candles at her wedding but it apparently was when Meghan allegedly asked for the same?
Also as a white royal male, Harry was likely ill equipped to understand how double standards apply for a royal bride of colour& that ‘rules’ that are waived for other married ins, might be strictly enforced by staff for Meghan.
So this came from old courtiers who didn’t like Meghan’s work ethic.
And the royal family approved .
Particularly enjoyed this : they quote too much from Camilla Tominey (who is a bridge troll/royal reporter for the Telegraph)
@Sofia You said, “ I’m not criticising them for being white. What I am criticising is them offering their opinions on racism when they’ve never experienced it.” Racism is not just practiced by white people. It is practiced by all races. Hate is an equal opportunity employer.
No, it isn’t when power and money is concentrated in one racial group in the countries we are discussing.
One group has the control and their hate is far more devastating. It’s like saying sexism is equal opportunity between the the sexes. Of course it isn’t.
No racism is not limited to white people. But white people don’t experience racism nor do they know what it’s truly like.
Sorry, but go live in Asia as a white person and then come back and explain that “white people can’t know what it is because they’ll never experience it”.
Maybe that statement is true if you never leave the US. But it’s most definitely not true globally.
More H&M to throw under the bus, placed conveniently and quickly after Williams PR stunt backfired yesterday. And the W&K stans are back on their A game, dragging H&M all over the web and these stupid journalist play along, cause they have no new material. You want to talk about the past, lets talk about Kate & William sex pictures outside on the balcony? Or Kate’s topless pictures, or bum pictures, nostalgic yet?
And yes we know the saying, some of Queens best slaves were black, but you don’t marry them.
BTW presently, Meghan is doing fine. I don’t want to see all of the money WK can be putting towards donating to use on another PR person, and I’m tired of seeing movie stars bore me to death on social media. Harry and Meghan keep doing what you’re doing.
Lol many normal people in uk are waking up to royal bs. Also most of cambridges stans are non uk. All cambridges crowd are in vulnerable position. Cambridges do well with older ones but Sussex did well with younger ones. We didnt see many young uk fans of cambridges other than royal tour. They are desperate and general public doesnt care about Sussex . Cambridges especially willy boy is putting foot in his mouth . Lol it will be interesting when queen died. Most people tolerate the royals because of queen . Most people cant stand William, kate , andy and charles.
Yes, finally. And it’s really pathetic William is spending all his money on his Dailymail internet bots to throw meghan and Harry under the bus and deflect negative atention from himself, that money he spends on PR people, and internet bots he could be donating (not merely being a patron of/attaching your name to) to NHS and protective gear. British people are becoming wise to his ways.
@yinyang – W&K could layoff all their PR people, Cathy’s hairdresser and their cook and they would not donate one dollar or one pond to any relief charity.
The only Royal who personally donates to charity is the future Charles III and it is all done through The Prince’s Trust.
Yes @BayTampaBay. He simply doesn’t care, everything he done for the last 10 years is only to make himself look good and kingly. No matter how much he giggles and laughs he never seems personable or friendly and unlike his father, he is detached from his people and they can see right through him. He’s been riding on his grandmthers and fathers good will for too long.
I noticed that on the question of racism she didn’t actually answer the question she deflected it by bringing up the Nazi incident.
Whataboutism.
Exactly, Silas. Harry wearing a Nazi costume is horrific, and it says a lot about his family and his environment, not just him.
There is no question the media and establishment in general in England are virulently racist. Critical Race Theory tells us that racism is mundane and everyday. It is ingrained in everything we do or experience. We have to consciously resist racism all the time.
Harry marrying and supporting Meghan is a gigantic betrayal of the racist system and the brutal, dehumanizing hatred that underlies it. The backlash they have received is a clue to how aggressively people defend white supremacy and other intersecting oppressions.
There’s no way these two old white Brits are going to ever acknowledge that. There have been lots of pieces written on how inequitably Meghan was treated but they will never admit it. To admit to wrongdoing and racism threatens their entire way of thought and life. They can’t.
I swear, was it impossible to interview any Black British members of the media or even any POC in the British media on this? We get freaking Camilla Tominey? As if she isn’t incredibly biased.
Thanks for the summary of this rehash. I’m surprised that a magazine like the New Yorker (or the Atlantic) are covering this, and in such a shallow way. Did they reach out to the Sussexes reps for comment, or challenge any of narrative regarding the racism or sexism? Where are the other voices in this? Anyway, like Kaiser said, nothing new.However, the British Royal press are showing again that they take no responsibility for their role in this whole saga whatsoever, nor questioning their ethics, or their insularity. To them it was clicks and scoops and takedowns. You can have a whole article alone on Piers Morgans vitriolic obsession with Meghan. They still are taking this very personally and there is a real anger at the Sussexes, particularly Meghan, that was low key before the wedding, and seemed to explode after the pregnancy announcement and Oceania tour. The UK press never challenged anything coming out of the palace other than to protect, boost and gloss over the heirs, to an extent that they tried to get the entire national press against this woman. They never properly covered stories like Andrew, or question the work or expenditures of the other royals. I think one of the better, non interested party takes on this so far was “ The Daily” podcast from The NY Times. Anyway, whatever.
Meghan never had a chance in the UK or in the BRF. Just a few months into their relationship when news they were together finally hit the media, the press was relentless, writing pieces that Meghan grew up in the ghetto and harassing her mother and her friends. We all remember Harry issued a declaration defending Meghan and condemning the racist attacks she was subject to in the media. I suggest you re-read the statement, because it was VERY strongly worded: https://www.royal.uk/statement-communications-secretary-prince-harry
Many people on this site said the press would take their revenge against Harry and Meghan and would not take kindly to that statement. I think they would have been vile and savage regardless, but I guess that statement did not help things since Harry refused to “play nice.” And there was some good coverage post-wedding but most of the coverage was overwhelmingly negative, in the lead up to the wedding, after Meghan announced her pregnancy (that she was stealing “attention” from Eugenie’s wedding when it was so obvious Meghan was pregnant and almost showing at Eugenie’s wedding), during her maternity leave etc. After Meghan’s father pulled his shenanigans pre-wedding, the BRF did seem to make a show of “accepting” Meghan like Charles walking her down the aisle, the Queen doing a one-one-one event with her on the train. But it was clear it was mostly for show, the knives were out in the family even before the engagement and now William and Harry are on the outs. As I said earlier, Meghan was never going to be accepted by the BRF or the UK media, the writing was on the wall when Harry issued that first statement a year before they got engaged.
I hate to sound super conspiratorial but I wonder if the BRF told Meghan’s father not to come to the wedding just so Charles could be the big hero and walk Meghan down the aisle? Troll Sr. keeps carping about the royals owe him and the queen owes him but no one can figure out for what. Charles needed a PR win and that sure gave him a boost.
No, I doubt they would go that far to ruin Meghan’s wedding. Thomas Markle sabotaged himself by doing those silly staged pictures and then being found out about it in the media. He then repeatedly lied about having a “heart attack” and who knows what else. He’s like Meghan’s sister Samantha. They rave on and on about how Meghan “owes” them and how she’s a “disgrace” and how she should make amends with the family while they continually badmouth her. So it makes sense he would say the royal family owes him… it’s more of the same nonsense. Very little of what they say makes any sense.
Does anyone knows that cambridges fans are stealing comments from celebitcy and posting it on lipstick alley site. It’s a private site and they are doing this for some time. There is any privacy policy for stealing other people comment without their knowledge and placing in private site.??
@Aria – Not really.
They are . It’s very shocking because I come across my comment in that site. I’m not a member and public can see the thread where Meghan markle thread is visible and there one of the spineless twat copy paste my comment from here yesterday and mocking it there. So sick and they have been doing this for some time. The site is for african american but anyone can join. So much hatred towards Meghan and her charity work.
@Aria I always find Meghan haters mentally disturbed, going after a woman that’s been already dragged by an entire country and has been at a disadvantge because of her race. I imagine them to live like Samantha Markle.
Anyway, I hope our comments enlighten them, as I don’t care to go over to her hater pages, nothing of intelligence or value could be found there. But I do go over to LSA unpopular Kate page sometimes, those girls are hilarious.
Thanks. Lol I went to LSA page about Kate its hilarious . I mean I get it , you dont like her but stealing comments from social media and discussing is sick behaviour.
Still no Aria
I will say no
Was Katie Hopkins not available?
I laughed at the “secondary royals” comment. They need to give it a rest and accept that H&M are way more popular than any of the heirs.
It can’t have been racism, the Queen lets black people live in the country she rules over is one hell of a take.
@WTW
First let me say the RF are full of sh…. They never know how to take responsibility of their own mess they created. M is not the first mixed race to marry into the family. QC Philippa and Charlotte were, M is 3rd.
Before M came along, The RF seniors including the Q weren’t happy with W&K for being lazy, they wanted them to work more. Harry’s projects were always pushed back or WK would hijack it and be part of it bc they didn’t want H to upstage W.
W is the instigator behind the hate against M because W has no control over H anymore.
Another thing is when M did the COOKBOOK with the GT ladies. W and KP wanted some of the $£ from the sells to be diverted to the ROYAL FOUNDATION FUND to cover their debt, but M refused because she wanted all the profits to go to the women. That is when the smears intensified against M.
Then the separation happened to set up their own team so all the £ go to their charities. In return KP made sure that events like Luminary Bakery, The cookbook, Smartworks Fashion Capsule & Vogue projects were not to listed on the Royal Rota as work because they were “private”.
That is when H&M decided to remove themselves away from the Royal Rota. W has a lot to do with it. When it’s all said and done and things come out. It will go back to William, Kate and Carole.
These people are horrible and to think she wrote that without the least bit of self awareness. Some of the Queen’s best subjects are black so she can’t be upholding a racist imperialist construct! Harry wore a Nazi costume in 2005 (not surprising considering the literal Nazis in his family tree) so we the press don’t know what the problem is. Why can’t we racially abuse his wife as we please?
All monarchies are rotten institutions full of nepotism and leeches. I can’t believe they’re still a thing.
You don’t have to be Team Sussex to realize how fucking evil the British crown is.