In the immediate months following the Duke and Duchess of Sussex’s Sussexit in January, the British media behaved like jilted lovers, creating creepy fantasies about the scenarios for which Harry would return to THEM. To add another macabre layer to all of that, the British press kept using the Queen as a stand-in for themselves, and they repeatedly made it clear that if and when Harry’s little escapade with Meghan is over, they’ll all take HIM back. They won’t take her back because, quite obviously, they were trying to bully her out of the country all along. They just never expected their bullying and smear campaign to work so well that both Meghan AND Harry left. Anyway, there’s another one of those “he’ll come back one day!” stories. These people are f–king delusional.
The Queen sees her grandson Prince Harry like a “prodigal son” who will return to her in the future, a royal expert has claimed. Harry and his wife Meghan Markle have quit the Royal Family in favour of a life away from the spotlight, moving to LA with son Archie.
But Ingrid Seward, editor-in-chief of Majesty magazine, says the Queen will “welcome him back with open arms”. The Monarch expressed her sadness at the decision in a statement when the couple first announced their intentions, but said she understood. Speaking to Sky News, Ingrid said: “The one thing that has really carried the Queen through her long life is her Christianity and her deep religious beliefs, and one of the Christian teaching is forgiveness. I think she’s looking at Harry like the prodigal son, that he will come home and she will welcome him home with open arms.”
But Ingird believes the Queen will be keeping her true feelings close to her chest, not even sharing them with those closest to her. She said: “I think she’s very loathed to criticise anything he’s doing. Privately, she might feel very sad about it but she will never ever comment on it, even probably to her family. She would keep her feelings very much to herself.”
“The one thing that has really carried the Queen through her long life is her Christianity and her deep religious beliefs, and one of the Christian teaching is forgiveness.” These people are desperately unhinged. What, do you imagine, the Queen would need to forgive? What did Harry do that was so deeply unforgivable, to the point where the Queen would need to access her deep reserves of Christian forgiveness? Was it the fact that Harry married a biracial American woman? The fact that he didn’t want to see the woman he loves smeared by courtiers and journalists? The fact that he was willing to walk away and did in fact walk away? Are those deep trespasses needing forgiveness for ONLY the prodigal son? Speaking of prodigal sons, I guess this means that the Queen has already forgiven Prince Andrew for raping a teenager trafficked to him by a pedophile.
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That’s nice, dear.
Watch, she’ll go get a Corgi and name it “Good Harry” like Cotton did with Good Hank on King of the Hill.
Truly delusional.
Agreed. I haven’t commented on a M&H situation in a while because it’s exhausting and clearly these people will never change or move on. Honestly name one thing that they did that was so terrible to warrant any of these stories. They fell in love, got married, tried to WORK, and had a baby. They tried to do everything right and nothing was ever good enough, all because M wasn’t a blonde British aristo. Really, what else is the reason for all of this hatred? Like they murdered innocent puppies, it’s nuts. Everyone always screamed about how if a royal doesn’t like their life they can just leave so the tax payers weren’t supporting them. Well they did and then suddenly that wasn’t allowed, how dare they spit in everyone’s face??! They’re hands were tied from the beginning from doing the kind of work they wanted because of archaic ridiculous “protocols”. I mean if your organization prevents people from doing real good because of some insane old traditions then things should obviously change but that’s not who these people are. Times change but they don’t and won’t and H&M saw that.
Nailed it!
@Mel M very well said and spot on! ✔️
Good summation of all the BS, Mel. Also, well said, Kaiser. Totally agree. Also, Ingrid Stewart doesn’t have a clue what the Queen thinks or feels, nor do any of these reporters. They all just keep going round and round and spin these articles so they can get clicks by using Meghan or Harry’s names.
Perfect assessment, Mel M!
Well said Mel M. They’ll never please those miserable people.
@Mel, I remember once a long time ago being told me that in India actresses were considered low class occupation mainly for the poor, and was considered a lowly way of making a living, I guess it’s like displaying (selling) your body sort of, anyway I’m sure this way of thinking has changed but you know old ways of thinking die hard and the media will always hang this over Meghan’s head. Also some people think that money is everything, and can’t fathom that Harry can be happy without the money, which most regular people know is untrue, there’s so many middleclass peole who have a decent childhood unlike people who have consierably more. And so I think Harry will be happier than he’s ever been. But the RF will always keep Meghan and Harry in the press because you can’t be on top without people underneath you.
The irony of this site discussing other people’s delusional, creepy fantasies sure is something.
then go back to twitter.
LOL
Delusional is thinking Harry will come running back home. Almost no one here believes that fantasy.
He could likely go back if they every divorced. I see no reason they would divorce soon but it happens. Peter is divorcing, Charles divorced, Meghan divorced, her parents are divorced. It is weird to speculate this would happen soon but if their relationship ever doesn’t work then more likely he’ll go back.
@ Clara So what in dickens name are you loitering around this site for? It beggars belief!
@clara Love the self own here. Perfect 10. Lol.
really? There’s a 50% divorce rate among common folk. For rich and famous that might be around 70% if not more. Relationships end no matter what, specially when they’re so full of drama and mess like these two. That’s the sad true, not only for them but for all of us, but specially in the world they live. In any case the “prodigal son” stuff is really dumb and full of white man privilege sh t, the boy will always be fine no matter what and poor Meghan will always be the baddie in the story. He will be forgiven everything, she will be destroyed. If Harry was a woman the RF would have been ruthless.
Maybe now that they’re in LA Harry will start dressing a bit better. That mourning suit fits hideously.
Well, bless her heart.
I imagine King George would have accepted the colonies back with forgiveness too but the revolutionary war happened for a reason. The House of Windsor blew it and the royal reporters are spinning tales to prop up the Queen and her other descendents. Anything to keep from talking about royalty raping trafficked teens I guess.
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Just a little Hamilton interlude.
Has Ingrid Seward ever met a RF member? She always speaks as though she knows the inner workings of their minds. (I mean most of the royal reporters are trash don’t get me wrong). But her quotes are always bizarre “I think the Queen feels this…”
I think the Queen doesn’t give a crap and none of this keeps her up at night. Can I be a royal Expert too?
Ingrid is upset that Harry broke up with Cressida because she is best friends with her Mom. I guess her Mom was leaking stories to the press and Cressida is exactly what the British press wanted for Harry (blond and aristocratic) But yes, she does act like she knows what they are feeling and I think the Queen really doesn’t care. She only cares for horses and her corgis.
You know I read that Cressida didn’t really like Harry and she was using him to get one of her exes back. So maybe it was wishful thinking on the part of mummy and Ingrid.
Cressida was never going to marry Harry. She didn’t spend years in dance and theatre class to cut ribbons.
Honestly have no idea what she looks like because don’t care. Did read someway that Cressida has a messy family as well.Like tons of half/step siblings on both mom and dads side, but she’s white and aristocratic, so it was all good. Ingrid Seward is so weird, and like Angela Levin, give off these weird Kathy Bates in “Misery” vibes/ Miss Havisham vibes.
@L4frimaire “messy” is underselling it. The whole family is bottoms-up whack. As is the case for every single aristocratic family of their type. They’re all repressed, bad at relationships, and so beyond status obsessed but they’ll never say it out loud because that’s “tacky” apparently.
From what I read about Cressida, she was as thirsty as the middletons. She absolutely would have married harry, but he wasn’t feeling it. I think their relationship was like williams and Kate’s, where she just hung around and was available at the drop of a hat. If he found no one else she might have got the job.
I think Cressida would have married Harry if he had proposed. She would give him these “loving” looks and he would ignore them. He never even held doors for her and let her trail after him.
I absolutely believe Cressida would have married him if he asked. Her mother was all for it. Imagine having not one but two daughters who came so close to becoming HRH.
“I think the Queen doesn’t give a crap and none of this keeps her up at night.” Thank you. I mean I’m sure she’s upset that her grandson has left “The Firm” but I honestly doubt she’s so upset and hung up about it like these royal “experts” are saying.
It’s been said time and time again that her only real passions and interests are in horses, corgis and protecting her pedo son.
Yep. I doubt she even cares.
I suspect the Queen sees Harry’s leaving the Firm as more of an insult and an impertinence than a personal or familial tragedy that causes her any true grief.
@Sofia, ITA. I don’t think TQ sees this as the constitutional crisis the RR and experts are trying to make it out to be. She may be upset that Harry isn’t a working Royal and that Charles hasn’t handled this better, but beyond that, it really doesn’t affect her daily life. She obviously still talks to Harry and Meghan and H&M talk to Charles, so really only the “public” relationship seems to be affected.
Ingrid Seward trashed Diana after she died. I doubt she’s a favorite of Harry.
Ingrid is Editor in Chief of Majesty Magazine, and has written a dozen or so books on the royal family. I imagine she does know some of them. I put her in the same category as Penny Junor, one of Charles’ biographers. They openly have their favorite family members, and they are royal family supporters to the bone. Add in her friendship with Cressida’s mother, and you won’t find her being very kind to the married-ins. I remember her trashing Diana, and she’s one of those ladies who obviously felt very proprietary towards William and Harry. She’s not going to jeopardize whatever access she has to the family, so there’s no doubt in my mind that she’s Team Cambridge and Team House Petty all the way.
Her late husband was friendly with Charles. She’s been playing up to Charles and Camilla for years. Diana helped her sell those magazines and was on the cover a lot, but Seward turned on her.
@Katherine She is the editor of once influential magazine; ‘ The Majesty’ She used to be the authority on all things royal. However, she once said Harry will never marry Meghan. She also campaigned openly for Harry to take back Cressida.
@Muimui That is wishful thinking on your part. Keep on dreaming.
@Katherine She is the editor of once influential magazine; ‘ Her Majesty’ She used to be the authority on all things royal. However, she was said Harry will never marry Meghan. She also campaigned openly for Harry to take back Cressida.
@Muimui That is wishful thinking on your part. Keep on dreaming.
This sounds so gross. Yes, forgive him for protecting his wife and child from a system you not only helped create, but encouraged. Agree with everyone above. Delusional.
And even worse, the queen is the one who went scorched earth on Harry, taking away his titles and positions and basically saying if you want to step back, then I’m kicking you all the way out.
So for this to work does he have to crawl back saying he’s sorry he wasn’t racist enough, or didn’t sympathize with Uncle Pedo? The prodigal son left his family to waste his inheritance on addictions and prostitutes, etc not because he was tired of his wife and child being abused by the media and his family doing nothing to stop it. Why on earth would he ever want to attach himself to that clan again?
Hey Liz, kiss our collective behinds.
These unobjective stories are good laughter fodder.
Lol. For Harry (and Meghan) to come back, there’s going to have to be some serious changes to the current “system” of doing things. However those changes will never happen. At this point I also doubt Harry will even fly to the UK for the 1 year review and instead choose to do it over facetime or something.
Agree that “the Queen” is a stand in for “royal reporters/press.” If harry comes back, hat in hand, they’ll forgive him and things will go on as before. We all know that wont happen, but that’s what some of these RRs dream about at night.
We know they are using her as a stand in for themselves because of lines like this:
“But Ingrid believes the Queen will be keeping her true feelings close to her chest, not even sharing them with those closest to her.”
So Seward either has a telepathic connection with the Queen…or she is making it all up.
hahaha good point. In an article about what the Queen is supposedly thinking, we also have that tidbit about how she doesn’t share her feelings with anybody.
Right? There’s not even a kernel of new/real information. It’s all Harry and Meghan click bait. For all the “no one cares about them!” the DM sure can’t stop stop writing non-stories for traffic.
well obviously she is a mind reader @mich. you know how they trot out expert lip readers and body language readers? well this is an example of a professional mind reader. 🤷🏽♀️
Lol that’s why she forgives her cheating husband ah ?? Lol they are delusional people and inbreeding makes them mental and dysfunctional. None of the european royals being this dysfunctional and they dont throw their own blood to wolves for cheap pr.
Ah yes those “deep Christian values” that have (and continue) to uphold a system that keeps the peasants in their place and a pedo as a prince… ok Karen.
Always incredible how “deep Christian beliefs” have no trouble turning a blind-eye to the abuse of children and women, only caring that the psychopathic perpetrators get away with it.
If they want any hope of Harry coming back at some point, they desperately need to change their messaging (assuming this is in any way true). Not “we are kind, good Christians, so we’ll forgive him” and “we didn’t realize how hurt they were and will as a family work together to make sure it doesn’t happen again.”
forgiveness? Only if Harry someday forgives her and the rest of the family for being so awful to him and his wife! That’s the only direction forgiveness needs to go as far as I can see.
They are desperate for him to leave Meghan, come back to the RF and start his “real family” with an ‘English rose’ who is docile, submissive, boring, who’s never had a job and has no personality. She will also preferably less attractive than Kate and have horse teeth, a lazy eye and a hairy back, that way Royal stans can gush about how beautiful, classy and elegant she is.
Or the other alternative is harry dumps Meghan, comes back to the UK to declare his true feelings to kate, and they live happily ever after. We all know that’s what kate stans dream of.
Either way they dream is for harry to dump Meghan and come back with his tail between his legs. Never gonna happen.
There are scenarios on anti Meghan threads that the Queen will claim Archie and Harry will return. Or Harry will take Archie away from his mother and go home and marry someone like Kate. And his brother William would smile upon him.
I don’t think Kate stans want her to leave William for Harry, unless Will’s too penis with teeth for them now?
I’d say the stans want Harry with Chelsey, or Pippa leaves terribly moderately wealth James for Harry and the stans can gush about how the brothers found true love with the Wisteria sisters.
It’s funny because they didn’t want him with Chelsy back then. They didn’t like that she was from South Africa and didn’t consider her that pretty. But now they desperately want Harry with her because she is white and was known to talk to the press.
Carole Middleton wanted Harry for Pippa. Ha, good luck with that!
Remember last year when harry and Kate attended a service together and he half smiled at her for a second, Kate stans literally wet their pants with excitement.
They want harry to lust after Kate because by sexually validating her desirability its a way to validate their own desirability. It’s weird because I’ve seem hardcore William and Kate stans root for this. Weird right. It’s seems like marrying the future king isn’t enough satisfaction for her stans.
I remember reading on lipstick alley from a font how seem to have genuine tea that Pippa straight up stalked harry for like a couple of years after William and Kate’s wedding. He rejected her along with everyone else.
Wow. Everyone wants Harry lol.
The way that royalists and royal reporters fixate on Harry like this and think they can lay claim to him must really disturbing to him. Imagine
Imagining having even one stranger fixate on me like this gives me the creeps. Imagine the collective arm of the British tabloid media and Bitter Becky Brigade. It’s probably worse than what any other male celebrity gets for that reason.
I dont think james mattew will allow pippa to leave that easily. Being brother in law to future king will give you out of jail time. Most hedge funds are black money and shady money. That’s why james waited long for pippa and even though pippa rejected him two times. James keeps middleton in their claw by buying Pippa love via expensive gifts, buying carole love via expensive vacation, buying micheal love via saving the pp business and giving james a namesake job. How james master mind into each every middleton lives and each middleton need his help. He will make sure they wont leave him . Middletons are in deep web with james mattews. Within two years of marraige pippa is bored with her life and need constant pap talk to satisfied her ego for fame . Its very pathetic. With that job in scotland , james finally able to have a girlfriend and withing few months he proposed . Pathetic people.
@aria I think Pippa is just as trapped as Kate is in her marriage, although in a different way. That’s the problem when you have never had a job and you rely entirely on a rich man to support you, they will take advantage of the fact that they are dependent on you can can thus do what they want, because they know you can’t leave them. I think the middletons are dependant on the Matthews family for money, and the Matthews use the middletons for fame.
I don’t agree, Aria. It may be convenient in many ways for the Matthews to be close to the Middletons, but every photo I’ve ever seen of Pippa and James he’s looking at her like he can’t believe how lucky he is. I think, sure he showers her with whatever she would like, but I think he really does love her. And maybe after looking around and dating a few years she came to value his loyalty and faith more than she did. Who knows?
*sarcastic chuckle* at this story.
Cue Hamilton’s “You’ll be back.”
This article makes it seem like Mad Queen Petty Betty is so bent out of shape and it’s just such awful optics considering we’ve not heard even a fraction of this incandescent rage regarding Randy PedoAndy, Duke of “Nonce”inghan.
Perfect!
Is Bitter Betty going to send a fully armed battalion to remind him of her love?
I swear, this whole saga is ripe for either a Hamilton or Handmaids Tale references. How dare they escape and how dare that woman assert her personhood. It’s like dystopian level stalking and propaganda of this couple.
i wish they would just stop it with this boring narrative. IT’S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN! if he was such a “prodigal son” why’d they run him out of the country?? please, just stop. it’s over. you ruined it all. move on, people!
The Queen really is not that great. The fact that the Royal Family is a hostile unit to marry into is a reflection on her. She has immense sway with the media and the public and the fact that the Firm eats alive the young women that come into its orbit is her legacy. Sticking your head in the sand and ignoring the real misery that your young family members are enduring, just so you don’t risk losing your piles and piles of free money, is not anything admirable. Diana was deemed crazy, Kate won as long as she could be made to heel, and Megs was just fed to the wolves. The talk should be of Harry forgiving her.
The Queen Mother created a repressed family structure that the Queen never challenged. And because she lived so long it festered for several decades. By the time she died, the Queen was too old to change much of anything and so the same mistakes are being made over and over again. The Queen is actually quite a bad matriarch as she sticks her head in the sand and lets problems get worse.
And if you are writing an article about forgiveness and completely ignoring the criminal sex trafficker in the family, you are a delusional royalist protecting a system that deserves to die. Harry is not a criminal. Andrew is.
@Nic919 you are right about the influence of the Queen Mother. Too bad she lived so darn long because maybe ol’ Liz could have loosened up a bit and rolled with the times earlier, like not requiring a vestal virgin as Charles’ bride. Or not putting your head down and taking media abuse so that the specter of that horrid, abdicating, life-ruining David Windsor and his Nazi connections never threaten the longevity of the Windsor clan again.
It was Charles fault re: his marrying Diana. Not the Queen Mother’s he did not have to listen.
Harper and Nic919, agree with you about the Queen Mother except I don’t think that the Queen would ever change. If she wouldn’t challenge the QM for Philip when she first married him and was apparently mad about him, and he and the QM had different agendas, she would never do it afterward, in my opinion.
Amazingly put.
When trying to excuse why kate hardly does any work when she married in to the family, they would always use the same excuse “we don’t want to throw her in the deep end like Diana, we don’t want to make the same mistake”. You would have though that maybe they had actually learned from the past, except that this was just an excuse to get kate out of working. They were still “easing Kate” into the role 6 years after the wedding. But as soon as Meghan came, they reverted to exactly how they treated Diana only even worse. They don’t grow, change or evolve. They most certainly don’t think they are to blame for Diana, Meghan or harry. They will do the same to George and Louis future wives. So much pain could have been avoided if only the royal family were nice and supportive.
Ingrid should worry more about her ugly wig and horrible face than harry and Meghan. She knows nothing but as usual the gross british gossips think they own harry and have to rescue him from the big bad black woman
I just googled Ingrown Sewer and by golly gee that wig is QUITE something.
Hooolllyyy … wow. That’s a nice haystack on her head. The cows will eat well this winter.
The wig makes her look like that dog from Lady and the Tramp who sings “he’s a tramp but we live him”.
I think, opinion only, that “Harry” represents the Royal “They”. As far as HM is concerned only the royal matters. The spouse/not titled child is included w/the Royal They. The offense was leaving the Royal “We”. HM believes she is Queen by divine hand. ‘This is the Lord’s doing & it is marvelous in our eyes’ to steal a line from Cate Blanchett’s ‘Elizabeth’ (she was robbed of that Oscar). How could anyone not want to be one of us? Is the question.
These people walk through life with blinders on. Hopefully Harry’s actions will make at least his immediate family (I’m looking at you Charles) take them off & see how poorly they have behaved
I just started watching the crown. Duke of Windsor vibe is going strong. I mean isn’t this exactly how Queen Mother treated DoW? With disdain and disgust.
The Duke of Windsor deserved every bit of disdain. The man was a Nazi sympathizer and quite possibly a traitor.
Had the Duke of windsor been a traitor he would have been prosecuted for it. some wrote the QM was rather spiteful about DOW because he was not interested in her as a marriage prospect. The QM was not a nice person herself. She provided one of her homes in Scotland for a “safe house” for C and C while both were married to others. She treated DIana miserably.
He would never ever have been prosecuted. It would have toppled the monarchy if it had happened. Both Churchill and Roosevelt were desperate to disbelieve the most damaging intelligence because it would be a bomb beneath the system. Never underestimate how far the establishment will go to protect itself – and the monarchy is deeply entangled with the State.
The Queen Mother was a nasty piece of work – but the question of the Duke of Windsor’s possible guilt is not cut and dry. There’s a lot of info that paint a damning picture but not a smoking gun – but even if there had been, it would most likely have been suppressed. You also have to remember that a lot of the info we have know has been suppressed for decades, only becoming available to researchers due to statutes of limitation. There’s a LOT of damaging information from foreign archives – way beyond the influence of the Queen Mother.
Another thing I heard was the queen mum originally wanted to marry Edward viii and not his brother. When he was prince of Wales he was very good looking charming and popular. All the aristocratic girls threw themselves at him. The queen mum wasn’t interested in George vi, he was awkward and had a stammer, but eventually settled with him. I also heard they hardly had sex, although no one can know how true that is. I think the queen mums hatred for walis Simpson was partly down to jealousy, in top of everything else that happened.
February Pisces, agree about jealousy being a motivating factor. QM rejected her husband several times, but kept him dangling while she chased the PoW. He was not interested and let her know it. She eventually settled for the younger brother. She was as ambitious as any Middleton. I don’t think political concerns were even on her radar.
Agree with @ArtHistorian. In the 30s, a lot of upper class British and aristocrats toyed with fascism and thought Nazi Germany was the future. I read this fascinating biography of the aristocratic Mitford sisters and a lot of them were in deep with the 3rd Reich. Edward was a liability but untouchable. Also, there was an episode of the Crown last season where the Queens art curator was a Soviet spy, and they never prosecuted him. These people get away with a lot of traitorous stuff. Look how Putin seems to be able to poison and assassinate people all over the UK with barely a prosecution or a sanction. But the worse crime is marrying Harry while being biracial, editing Vogue, and actually wanting to make an impact with your work and patronages. Such a messed up system
@L4frimaire
The Soviet spy was Sir Anthony Blunt – part of the now infamous Cambridge Four. His confession was held secret for many years. He’s still considered a big authority on the work of the French baroque painter Nicolas Poussin in art historical circles. If you want to do work on Poussin, you really have to read Blunt’s work. Many other scholars have worked on Poussin but Blunt was one who really influenced the scholarship on the artist in a huge way.
And the British upper-class did indeed flirt with fascism in the 1930s. A few years ago an old film clip of the Queen Mother as well as a young Liz doing the Nazi salute came to light. It was from 1933. Liz was a child at that point but her mother wasn’t. Her uncle, later King Edward, was also in the movie. So yeah, even the BRF was fascinated with fascism in the 1930s.
Anyone in this day and age who truly believe they are specially chosen by God to rule needs to seek psychiatric help. If it was anyone but her, they would be sent for help by their doctor, humoured but never taken seriously, or just be the town’s homeless person with a deluded conspiracy theory.
I can’t fathom anyone actually thinking and believing they are ordained by God in this day and age. It just doesn’t compute for me. I think deep down Liz knows this is a joke but she enjoys power and really who’s going to argue this with her?
I wonder if Charles is going to pull the same crap?
That is just one of the many reasons why the Coronation ritual should be abolished. The fact that the monarch is crowned and anointed in church by an arch-bishop symbolizes that the monarch is chosen by God. The ceremony is an old relic from feudal times and it has no place in a constitutional monarchy. Britain is the only European monarchy that still performs a coronation ceremony rather than having the new monarch proclaimed by the PM.
Agreed, this is such a dangerous way of thinking, member of RF is more important than another human being–no, this way of thinking is in the past it doesn’t belong in a new world!! We all hold the same amount of significance and the same amount of insignificance. For each step forward it seems some idiot takes two steps back.
Harry won’t leave Meghan unless it’s for cause like adultery. The papers must be losing a ton of money and they’re mad Meghan hasn’t dropped the lawsuit. If Meghan wins she sets the precedent for others to come after the press more.
That’s rich. The question really is will Harry ever forgive the Queen for not having his (& Meghan’s) back?
I have no idea, of course, but I think Harry and Meghan have chosen to get away from the UK tabloids and Royal life. I do not think they have chosen to get away from the spotlight. L.A. IS the spotlight. Malibu, Beverly Hills, etc is paparazzi tabloid gossip country. I think they are choosing a different life and are exploring ways of earning large money. Because they have changed locations several times, leads me to think they are unsure of how to make big money but they will learn. They certainly can do little at this time for the same reason the rest of us can not.
LA does not have to be “the spotlight.”
Harry & Meghan will always be high profile, just because of their history, and their continued charity work. Now they can be more activist about it!
That doesn’t mean they are seeking “the spotlight” in their life.
They clearly intend to use their platform and star power for good. As they should. It’s a better use for it than getting into the tabloids for swanning around in tiaras and sashes and honorary decorations. I’d like to see the lot of the BRF stripped of their honorary military awards, and be required to only display the ones they got honestly. That would be something to see.
They haven’t changed locations several times. They were on vacation in Canada, and then they moved to Meghan’s hometown. Judging by the meetings they’ve taken in the past several months, I’m sure they are creating a pretty decent road map of where they need to go and are using this time as wisely as possible.
I sort of agree with you in that I don’t think they are trying to avoid the spotlight. I’m not saying Meghan craves it or anything else that the anti-M people screech about it, but they never said they wanted privacy for themselves. (I don’t think they did, at any rate.) They wanted privacy for Archie, yes. And they didn’t want to be abused. but this narrative that they are “privacy obsessed” is just another thing being used to criticize them. They’re fine being in the spotlight for themselves and their work. I don’t think they ever pushed back on the few pictures we got of them in London – Meghan at lunch or shopping, etc. they aren’t dumb and they know that if people are interested in them, that benefits their non-profit and their projects. (see: Together cookbook, that was a big success.)
they don’t tolerate blatant invasion of privacy, and they weren’t willing to put up with the racist attacks in the tabloids, but they have never said they want to retire to the country and never be seen in public again.
@June, you purposely ignore that the world over is filled with billionaires from all corners of the earth. Money is not made in LA alone. Or maybe this fact doesn’t fit your narrative?. Also, the Sussexes have never moved numerous times.
Last but not least, where are you getting the Sussexes said they wanted privacy for themselves?
Really, June😐. I think this is a bit premature as well as being judgmental. They don’t need to seek the spotlight because the spotlight seeks them. Even if they lived in Singapore or Dubai, there would be some snark about it. Also, because there are so many stars in LA, they aren’t the main attraction and can be under the radar. Despite the endless days of this lockdown, they only officially stepped down April 1, less than a month ago. Seriously don’t see why this urgency for Harry to come back. He’s barely been gone.They’ll take some time to figure things out. They don’t need to tell us everything right now, and there’s the lawsuits to deal with. LA is their home right now, and Frogmore is still their U.K. base. Won’t be surprised if they eventually move to the East Coast ( prep schools for Archie), with time in UK as well. Right now they can’t live and work there thanks to the nasty courtiers and the rabid dishonest press. It’s just too damaging to them as a new family.
Harry is enjoying the freedom he craved since his teens. We don’t have to expect him coming back to live permanently in the UK in the near future; definitely not without his family. These entitled tabloids and ‘royal reporters/experts’ expressing personally motivated opinions, not facts, only serve themselves with three goals:
1) to keep the monetizing machine rolling;
2) to make the public believe (mouth piercing) that the queen/royal family are not the bad party regarding H&M leaving, are really forgiving and want Harry back. But not with his wife and maybe even not with his kid;
3) to interfere in their marriage with psychological tricks to make Harry feel guilty, and in the end divorce Megan and come back to the UK.
Yeah, they do believe they have power over a grown man with a family, who is no longer living off of the British taxer and no longer works for the queen. As for the optics, Harry will not leave his anchor behind for a unsupportive royal institution reluctant to modernize, and for a bias, abusive and intrusive press pack, who harmed him as a child, hunted and abused him as a teenager and an adult, and was busy destroying him and the family he always longed to have.
Even if Harry went back to the UK, without Meghan and Archie, no way would the press stop harassing and slandering Meghan, and would start in on Archie. Don’t think he’d want that at all, especially if he’s a decent person.
IF their marriage some how does not survive, I still don’t see H going back to firm. Why would he go back to the UK when his kid would be living in n. america. Nope, he would want to live full time close to archie.
Could these kinds of stories die already? A. Harry’s moved on. B. Why would he even care what his pedo protecting grandmother thinks? C. Quit placing emotions anywhere near this woman. This narrative that the queen is hurting is such a projection and always has been.
Wait until she dies – the main storyline is going to be how she died heartbroken that Harry left her and evil Meghan is laughing about it.
They sound desperate and are trying to convince themselves that Harry will come back. They truly did not think he’d stand by his wife, I guess it’s not the usual for Windsor men. They’re really at a loss here because they don’t have anything to blackmail him with. Upside of being the spare I guess. Your skeletons aren’t allowed to hide.
They keep encouraging him to stay away with his WIFE and SON. He isn’t as dysfunctional as them to leave wife and child behind him.
Will they just give it a rest, they’ve been gone just 4 months and they’re all acting like jilted lovers. Harry is not coming back permanently unless something changes, they’ve insulted his wife, his child, called him mentally unstable and submissive and they think he’ll come back and kikiki with them?
Since Harry and Meghan are ignoring these nasty British tabloids, I think we should too. They write fiction.
I’m not going to lie, these posts are addictive. I check this site just for a H&M posts. I savor every comment like Hannibal eating his last free range human.
Queen Elizabeth…oh, honey, no. You threw Harry, Meghan and Archie away and now their ours, too bad, so sad.
“free range human” Now there’s a thought that’s going to stick around for a while. Is it bad that I want to laugh at it?
LOL @ Rulca, me too. Just love our family of celebitches, they make my day.
Ingrid Seward is a flame-throwing battleaxe like the rest of the group of biddies who think they have an inside line into the BRF. That Betty lets them get away with writing idiotic fiction like this says a LOT about how she operates. It’s like she tacitly encourages them to keep plodding along with these moronic stories to burnish her now tarnished halo and keep the racist hatred for Meghan simmering.
One must reminder this: The queen already reigns for 68 years. It’s the queen herself, together with her advisors, who set up the royal rota system with the tabloid & right wing press/news agencies, about 40 years ago. No liberal, let alone republican press are involved. That tells you what kind of coverage and propaganda the Royal Family want: no balanced reporting, no real scrutiny. She never saw the need to fundamentally change the system, despite major scandalous and unlawful misbehaviour by the tabloids (some small changes were negotiated after Diana’s dead). The same key right wing tabloids and newspapers from the start, are dominating the system.
So she’s complicit to the abuse and blackmailing that harbours within the rota system. If she cares she would have mind that many of the rota members run campaigns to destroy the lives and tarnish the reputations of her own family members; then (Diana), later (Sofie Wessex, Charles, Camilla, Harry), now (Meghan and in some way, Harry again).
The leadership of this woman sucks. Which right minded CEO runs a firm like this? Still the right wing press is all and about to phrase her kingship and the little she’s doing these days: ”she never put a foot wrong”, they say in unison. Yeah, because she lets them be.
To conclude with my take on this: because of her age, her majesty has lost all sense of judgement; she’s being manipulated left, centre and right recently. It’s time to abdicate.
I hope H&M feel both relief and smile at the ongoing antics, while they enjoy their lives in freedom.
WingKingdom, You are absolutely right. The queen “punished” Harry and Meghan just as she had “punished” Princess Diana when she divorced Charles. Sorry, not sorry, the queen’s playbook is limited, predictable and vindictive. So sick of these tax-eating parasites.
I actually think Harry will eventually gravitate back the the BRF sometime in the future. I think it will be in some sort of reduced role but in an acknowledged public role nonetheless. I think Meghan will too.
I’m not saying they will come back in defeat or with their tails tucked between their legs. What I’m saying is that time heals wounds and changes things. He’s still a royal prince, a royal duke and England is home. Queen and country are meaningful to him. Plus, I’m sure he’d like his son and subsequent children to know about “home”—if only in a small way. I also think Meghan is better able to adapt to a gypsy lifestyle of living on different continents more so than he can. She’s lived in CA, IL, Canada and the U.K. She’s probably done more traveling off of the well trod but beaten path then he has—simply because of who he is and the tight lifestyle circle that comes with that. For some reason to me, he also seems like someone who needs to be anchored—to put down firm roots somewhere.
I look at this time for them as being (1) a needed timeout for him from the fishbowl (BRF & UK tabloid press); (2) a break from the craziness that ensued with family, friends, the public and the press pre- and post-marriage; (3) a respite for themselves where they get to know each other better and more deeply than long-distance dating allowed/s aka just being together on a daily and living together; and (4) an opportunity to really discuss their direction as an entity / brand without having to fend off attacks from family and palace sources.
I honestly see them making England their permanent home and him, at around age 40 – 50+, taking on some royal functions. The period in between is simply time taken to more fully create himself and to flush out life on his own terms and to the best of his ability. Re: Meghan, I think she’ll take on some public duties but will operate more on the private side of things. They’ll find their balance and along with their successes most people will rightly wonder what in the world was all the uproar about.
I think you are confusing Harry with William. Harry is not the homebody, William is. Harry has gone all over the world and wanted to move to Africa for goodness sake. William is the one who married his college girlfriend and doesn’t seem to want to do much in life. If Harry wanted that nice quiet behind the scenes Royal life you described, he would never have left. And he would have married his own version of “Kate”. Why do you think they jumped into those roles as Commonwealth Youth Ambassadors, if not for the opportunity to branch out? Harry doesn’t want a “break”, this thing is broken. Now that doesn’t mean he doesn’t want to see his family or friends again, but a lot of those family and “friends” seem to have had a hand in running to the press and creating this mess so I don’t think he is too eager to get back to business as usual.
Not confusing the brothers. He seems to me like the sort who’d like a home base but will follow his wife if she says let’s go.
I can sort of see what you are saying. Heck someone on twitter said (I cant remember which RR it was, not a totally crazy one but not Omid etc) something about how things will look very different in a few years (i.e. once Charles is king) and what was unacceptable to the queen may not be for Charles (the reduced public role.) now I do think that a lot of “earth scorching” happened behind the scenes in March, so I’m not sure Harry would come back at this point, but prior to that I would have said it was likely they would return, but on their terms.
Based on what we have seen and heard from the Cambridges though, I don’t think Harry would feel any compulsion to come back when William is king. If they come back, it will be for Charles.
Yeah. I don’t Harry being excited to get in there to take one for the team during William’s reign. I can see him decidedly backing off. I can see him doing a few things under Charles’ reign but w/them really having their thing going. I think for his own growth and mental well-being it was necessary to step away, However, I just don’t see never coming back for anything especially if he has some decent family ties left. One example of what I mean by taking on limited royal duties would be something connected to military. You can throw up a Venn diagram and see that there are private, public (BRF) and non-profit and/or commercial interests there for him/them.
Only time will tell.
He’s not a prodigal son. He’s a responsible adult who worked his ass off (and so did his wife) and they both continue to do so as a family. The bible has things to say about hypocrites who make pests of themselves, and maybe if she actually read it once in a while she’d know that.
For starters, Seward has no idea what the queen thinks or doesn’t think. It’s just a speculative piece that makes a lot of presumptions and guesses and it is specifically designed as click bait and to drive a particular narrative. The fact that the Daily Mail is triangulating and contorting a biblical reference in regards to the queen’s relationship with her grandson is pure fan fiction.
But let’s get to the point: Harry is never. Ever. Going back. That’s not a guess, it’s not fan fiction, it’s not speculative. He’s out.
That’s how bad the blow up was/is between the brothers. It went beyond nuclear into the planet destroying realm. And, in all honesty, it would have happened *regardless* of who Harry married. Black, white, American, aristocratic – it doesn’t matter. The cracks in his relationship with his sourpuss older brother were present long ago. But, as happens in most families, it’s always the milestones in life that bring on the family drama. Weddings, births, funerals, et al.
Even if he had married Bonas, this was going to happen. This isn’t about “Meghan,” per se, though that particular choice did come with extra baggage. No, this is mano a mano between the two brothers. Meghan’s presence (and again, any spouse, regardless of race or background) only brought the underlying tensions to the surface.
That said, William has a lot of reckoning to do. As the claimant to the throne, he’s not as strategic as the queen (you gotta give her that – the old lady is wily as a chess playing fox), not as intellectual as his dad (really, William needs to get a hobby – or four) and not as popular as his brother. Not as relatable as the very beta Katie. And – he cheated on her.
I mean. It must really suck to be stuck in perpetual second gear, never fully able to realize one’s potential. Meanwhile: Invictus Games, Sentabale, The Endeavor Fund, et al.
All this horseshit about “I’ve carried Harry my whole life and I can’t do it anymore” is just spectacularly revisionist and kind of sad, considering that Harry has run circles around his brother in terms of actual work.
But in the end, the Blow Up between the two, which was a series of ongoing resentments and small skirmishes, eventually erupted into all-out warfare. William may have succeeded in running his only brother off, but that, in the long run, is the only thing he’ll be remembered for – he’s that dull and dense.
Harry, on the other hand, has created an indelible legacy, no matter what happens. And one has to admire Meghan for her strength and conviction. I think they’ll go the distance.
This doesn’t surprise. I have often heard these were not as close as the press want us to believe. Their body language at Harry’s wedding was a sign (to me) they barely spoke.
@anon. You nailed it.
Everything you said @anon came up in the lipstick alley threads years ago, before Meghan. William always seemed to have some sort of passive aggressive behaviour towards his brother due to his own insecurities, and thus would belittle him whenever he could. I don’t even think harry expected William go this far, it’s one thing being a bit jealous of your sibling but another thing to try and ruin their life and have literally everyone in the whole world hate them. It’s pure evil. William seems to have no thought for Archie either, I wonder if he is even curious about his only nephew.
Regarding their feud I don’t think Meghan was the ‘cause’ but the ‘catalyst’.
I don’t think William had a problem with meghans race or that she was an actress or whatever, I think he and Kate dreaded the day harry was going to get married, because it was the end of them sitting on their pedestal doing the bare minimum. William got lucky Meghan is biracial especially during trump/brexit years, where racial tension are worse than ever. It made his hate campaign even easier.
Everyone can see through William, even their biggest fans know he’s behind his hate campaign, but they don’t mind mostly because they hate Meghan for being biracial, attractive and that’s she got Harry. Without the media covering his ass and editing the comments section to post only the positive comments, he’s nothing. He’s ruined his own legacy and I hope he knows it.
@anon do you think William was prepared for the Sussex squad to fight back and expose his ass?
February Pisces, the answer to your question on how William feels about Archie lies in his reaction to his birth. Remember he and Kate were at an engagement and someone in the crowd asked how he felt about being an uncle. William responded with a rather condescending “I/we already have a nephew,” referring to Pippa’s son. Even Kate had a look on her face at hearing his odd response to what should’ve been a happy occasion.
I agree Beach Dreams. Their reaction to Archie’s birth was strange and revealing. I also remember when Kate was pregnant some reporter asked him if he had seen Kate to congratulate her and he said he hasn’t seen them in months. Their relationship was already strained way before Meghan. I feel for Harry. He was really alone in that family. I’m glad he has Meghan who supports him and just adores him.
Notice how there are no pictures of harry playing or even interacting with George when he was a baby? When George was born everyone was excited to see fun uncle harry with his nephew, but nothing. I think KP actually commented and said it was because harry was ‘single’ and the didn’t want him to look like a ‘spinster’. William didn’t want harry to get any good press so blocked him interacting with George in public. Williams pettiness goes back a long time.
It is sad that the tabloids likely know all this but continued to push the Hating the Sussexes agenda. Wooton even recently was bit##ing and moaning about the Sussexes prior staff saying “bad” things about the royals. Similarly there was the interviewing journalist that said if people knew the real reason for the split between the brothers, they would side with Harry.
I understand that the Royal Rota has its (warped) reasons for not reporting the truth about the Royals and attacking Harry for the benefit of William but …where is the legitimate press in the UK?
Thanks for putting this out there. THIS is the whole smash in a few very well-worded paragraphs.
This feels dramatic. I mean i know the royal family isn’t normal but honestly all H&M did was move and yeah I imagine the family is sad and misses them (or not) but it’s not like did anything that a lot of people don’t and relocate away from family.
I also don’t think the Queen cares that much or that Harry will return without Meghan or more importantly his SON. I also can’t see Meghan should they divorce (which before people attack I don’t think they will) is going to be like yep take my kid toodles.
That being said I could see both H&M after things have calmed down and all family parties are able to speak with less anger and emotion visiting and being more involved with the Family not the Firm the family. But all of it is going to take time
Man this is getting tiring. What right does this pedo apologist have to even say this???😤I mean I know she isnt calling these reporters but her staff/courtiers clearly wont do anything without her knowledge so it’s very likely her true thoughts. I’m so sick of this atrocious ‘family’
Okay, isn’t the parable of the prodigal son more a lesson about the brother who didn’t leave? He (someone who had always been faithful) is resentful that his father (God) is celebrating the return of his son (someone who has lost his faith and regained it, or perhaps a new convert). The father then berates his son for his pettiness and jealousy. Wonder if that’s happening to William?Anyway, apparently Queen Elizabeth believes she is God, which isn’t that surprising.
Will she just shut up, if this is true why not go directly to him, all this is doing is making Harry look like the bad guy that broke grandma’s heart! This woman is becoming very whiny and needy and clingy. Why not release a word about the nasty press instead!
Agree with saying something about the press. He doesn’t look like the bad guy to me.They just look desperate and obtuse. They have a whole gaggle of royals doing out there boosting themselves and they’re still pining first a Harry. The family has a huge charisma vacuum now and they know it. Harry’s not coming back as long as they can’t admit they’re role in him leaving.
They made their announcement in January and officially left almost a month ago, but these fools can’t just stop with this nonsense. The Queen has a whole communications staff and I’m sure they can let the Sussexes know her wishes to him directly, not through Ingrid “snatched wig” Seward. These ridiculous statements by these disgusting, stupid people make my blood boil. They can’t even say we’d welcome “them “back. Him going back is a nonstarter as long as they keep with their BS hate campaign against Meghan. It’s sickening how much they try to delegitimize Harry’s wife and child. All for the sin of saying they’ve had enough of this degrading crap and will not be exploited and disrespected every damn day. Stay well and thrive in LA Harry, Meghan and Archie.
Whenever I read these stories that Taylor Swift “ Never, ever” song automatically starts playing in my head, lol. Face it Ingrid, Harry’s just not that in to you. Time to move on.
Hilarious. So much better for him and Meghan to be out of that cesspool
She has more “forgiveness” for a man who rapes underaged girls and uses his royal status for perks and shady business dealings than she’s ever had for her grandson, who’s only ever tried to do well by his family.
But will he ever forgive her? The Queen is the one who let him down time and again.
Harry has done nothing that he needs forgiveness for. He chose his wife and child over his petty assed family of origin. The House of Petty needs to be the one asking for forgiveness.
The idea that TQ would be GIVING rather than SEEKING forgiveness from H&M is insulting. She may need a refresher on what it means to be a good Christian, or a decent human being in general.
I just had a thought. When the Queen passes, which, not trying to be morbid, will likely be within the next few years, we will see a level of absolute hatred for Meghan that we can’t even comprehend now. Every blog, paper and “well connected source” will be screaming about Meghan not allowing Harry to say goodbye or how Harry desperately wanted to be by her side but couldn’t because of Meghan’s security demands or so such rot. It will be awful.
Eyeroll. Anything to sell a tabloid line. As if anything Harry and Meghan do is enough. They could be donating blood every single Day and it would never be enough. I think they have considered all possibilities and have made their peace with the outcome.
I wouldn’t put it past the Queen to think this way as well, although I doubt she’s quite as obsessed over it as the press are. I bet it does hurt her and sadden her deeply that the grandson she was really close to and worked really hard to keep in the fold had to go away under these circumstances, but frankly, it’s her fault for not setting an appropriate work culture wherein the type of behaviour they were forced to endure wasn’t tolerated. She did nothing to silence the leakers, she didn’t do anything to keep her staff in line, she didn’t read William the riot act–what, if anything, did she do from her end to protect Harry or create a relationship that he felt was worth salvaging?
I feel like, more than anything, this was pretty much a really toxic family situation of the type that people the world over find themselves in, but it’s writ large because of the spotlight on the whole family. It’s one thing to deal with a brother that continually sabotages you because he’s the favourite and he can’t stand to yield that position, or a grandmother that has never really set an example of what healthy boundaries are, and who won’t stand up for your wife when her neighbours and friends are being racist towards her. It’s another when it’s all so public and tied in intimately with structures of power as they exist in the UK and the world over.
The royal family, the aristocracy, and the press, are primarily angry with Harry because he exposes them for the frauds they are. If someone who is born into this family with every privilege it has to offer, into this strata of society that has never wanted for anything and is so self-absorbed and ignorant and petulant about their own excessive lifestyle that’s bankrolled by the nation’s poor, will leave because he is not happy, then that damages their prestige in a huge way. He will go with his common born biracial American wife who was descended from slaves and he will be happy about it, and it’ll be another argument against every institution that people like Ingrid Seward, the Queen, and the press in Britain care about and want to desperately uphold even as inequality widens and people get angrier. Their entire identity as people rests on the fact that they are part of these institutions and the power and influence they have as a result.
If Harry shows that he is capable of being happy without it, if he shows that the tabloid press that has, for so long, had a stranglehold on public discourse in the UK, that he doesn’t need them and won’t engage with them, they all lose the power. Everyone in this equation is acting like the prototypical narcissistic abusive family member. The moment you cut them off, they go all out in order to trash your reputation. I hope Harry and Meghan continue to remain firm and set boundaries because they should not be subject to this sort of abuse, period. It’s unacceptable, and it’s high time everyone knew that. And he’s setting a crucial, but important precedent for the rest of the family, especially the future generations, that they are and will always be free to set the course of their own lives.
yinyang says:
April 28, 2020 at 6:28 pm
@Mel, I remember once a long time ago being told me that in India actresses were considered low class occupation mainly for the poor, and was considered a lowly way of making a living, I guess it’s like displaying (selling) your body sort of, anyway I’m sure this way of thinking has changed but you know old ways of thinking die hard and the media will always hang this over Meghan’s head.
Really, @Yinyang? Displaying (selling) your body? In case you missed it, it’s called ACTING.
I’m not saying it’s right, I’m saying that is a OLD way/classist way of thinking and the press keep using it as in when they say she’s so hollywood as a disrespect. I don’t condone this way of thinking.
If Kate had been an actress, she’d be praised to the skies. This criticism applies only to Meghan. And Kate was seen in a see through dress at a fashion show. If it had been Meghan, she would have been condemned.
Forgiveness is very important and a big sacrifice to dispute resolution
That will be awesome. One Love
I feel for Harry. It took me a long time to realize how my family treats me. It wasn’t until very recently that I understood the toxic patterns and where I need to establish boundaries. Some of that goes along with getting married and carving your own identity, and the role that plays in getting a bird’s eye view of your former nucleus. I believe Harry is done, perhaps forever. I actually think it has more to do with how they treated Diana than how they treated Meghan. Because one helped him externalize the other.