The Times’ excerpts of Finding Freedom aren’t ALL palace politics and royal aides waiting to stick a knife into one’s back. The Times also devoted a lot of space to the story of Prince Harry and then-Meghan Markle’s courtship, which moved fast because it was love/obsession at first sight. They were two adults who had life experience and romantic experience and they knew love when they felt it. But I think they were both romantics too – if anything, Meghan more than Harry. Harry seemed like he knew well enough that as soon as the press caught wind of his relationship, Meghan’s life would be drastically altered. Finding Freedom also doesn’t confirm the name of the person who set them up, a matchmaker whose identity has been widely speculated but never established. Some highlights from these Times excerpts:
Their first date: On that first date at Soho House’s Dean Street Townhouse Harry quickly realised that impressing Meghan was going to be tougher than just giving her one of his big smiles. Perhaps she sensed his nervousness, because the couple were somewhat bashful at first. However, it didn’t take long for them to start chatting easily. Very easily. On two individual velvet club chairs, the pair were “in their own little world”, a source said. Harry talked about his charity work, excitedly telling her stories from his extensive trips to Africa. Their “passions for wanting to make change for good”, as Harry described it, was, as Meghan said, “One of the first things we connected on.”
They made plans for a second date that night: At the end of the evening, which had lasted almost three hours, Harry and Meghan went their separate ways. Despite the palpable attraction between them, there was no goodbye kiss, no expectation, just a hint that something was there and they hoped to see each other again soon. No one expected what happened next. “Almost immediately they were almost obsessed with each other,” a friend said. “It was as if Harry was in a trance.” Meghan called one of her girlfriends. “Do I sound crazy when I say this could have legs?” she asked. [For their second date] They returned to Dean Street Townhouse the next evening for a romantic dinner. No front entrance for the pair, they were given directions for how to get into the building using a discreet door away from prying eyes.”
Harry knew she was the One on the second date: “Harry knew they would be together at that point,” a friend shared. “She was ticking every box fast.”
Meghan started following his IG account @SpikeyMau5. It was in fact Harry’s private account. A big house music fan, he crafted the pseudonym by using part of the name of one of his favourite DJs, Deadmau5. Spikey came from a Facebook alias that Harry used for an account he had under the name of Spike Wells. “Spike” was a nickname sometimes used for the prince, particularly by Scotland Yard officers.
He took her to Botswana for their “third date”: “She came back smiling and just completely spellbound.” Her phone was full of photos — the nature they had seen, candid snaps of herself, and selfies with Harry. According to the friend, if Meghan didn’t have to return to Canada for work and Harry to his life in London, “they would have happily spent the entire summer there together”. Meghan said that she and Harry talked so much, about things she rarely shared with anyone. “I’ve never felt that safe,” Meghan told her friend, “that close to someone in such a short amount of time.”
They both fell hard & fast: Three months into their relationship, a Meghan friend said, they had already begun swapping the words “I love you”. It was Harry who said it first, but Meghan immediately replied, “I love you, too.” From there it didn’t take long for them to begin talking in non-oblique terms about their future.
Racism among the elitists: When he first started seeing her, Harry, sensitive to even the slightest hint of prejudice, had fallouts within his own circle. When some questioned his new relationship, and whether she was suitable, he would wonder, “Is this about race? Is it snobbery?” An old friend of Harry’s spent an afternoon gossiping about Meghan, making disparaging remarks about her Hollywood background. Word got back to Harry, and the prince immediately cut him off. If he was willing to confront those close to him, when it came to the media, Harry was poised for outright war.
This made me think of how tortured the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge’s “love story” is with all of the breakups and waitying and cheating and everything else. So many authors have tried and failed to make William and Kate sound like a grand love story and they’re just… not. But man, Meghan and Harry were obsessed with each from the word “go.” It clearly was love too, not “lust” (as William apparently said to Harry). Harry saw who he wanted and went after her, big time, and he will stop at nothing to protect her and their son. Why wasn’t their love story celebrated?
Photos courtesy of WENN.
I feel like Williams “lust” comment isn’t getting the parsing it deserves. It’s so loaded with racism and sexism.
Yes! I have been saying this- british men of a certain status do have this colonial atitude of the woman they can have affairs with and the woman they will marry. William was pretty much saying ” f*** her, but do not marry her.” Harry knew exactly what William was saying and reacted accordingly.
The “madonna – whore complex” is prevalent in many cultures. I grew up with it in South America. Nothing to do with “British men of a certain status”!
@INES Brazilian here. We are speaking about two different things. Madonna complex us more relying to the “courtesan/wife” dicothomy. Has nothing to do with race.
I am speaking about atitudes of colonial past. Portuguese merchants were not shy in having relationships with natives and breaking up with them once they returned to the homeland. Upper class Brits did the same as they colonized the world, most notably India. That atitude went on and evolved to this idea it is okay to have relations with women who do not belong to your race/social strata as long as you do not marry them. Has nothing to do with questions of reputability of the woman in question,like Madonna complex
That madonna/ whore shit exists in every culture and social class. I’m sure even in present day America teen girls are advised to limit their sexual experimentation if they want to land a respectable man some day, though I have no doubt British aristos are next level with the criteria for dividing women into wives and mistresses – as in Priscila’s analysis of colonizing women’s bodies. I do think they’re on the same spectrum though. Maybe it’s race based but it’s still also about who’s pure and who isn’t.
I 100% think this is what happened.
1) Ethnics are never never good enough for Aristos, no matter how rich or educated or successful
2) There was a very very old rumour even in the choppy Chelsey days about how Harry would be high key with these blonde Aristos and downlow with black women
It took 4 years after our wedding before my husband revealed why he’d stop speaking with two of his best mates. The arseholes had the nerve to tell him that it was okay to want to try some “Dark Meat” once in awhile, but you don’t bring them home or marry them. This remark was made in 2012 and I’ll put all my money on a bet that people still make comments like this. My arsehole was my best friend brother, he took it on himself to let me know that my marrying a white man was tantamount to me becoming a slave. I slapped him and told him to kiss my ass.
I have been receiving this comment more than once, denying the existence of this particular double standard with brit men of a certain class or implying is not about race or class…
well, it exists, You might not like to hear it, but it does. A couple of commenters here shared their very personal experiences and you can even see on pajiba that this exactly what is going down:
” A reminder that old racist creep Prince Phillip also allegedly told Harry that ‘one steps out with actresses, one doesn’t marry them.’ ( from the latest report there)
@Priscila, I get exactly what you’re saying, and it’s definitely not the Madonna/Whore complex, which is a completely different thing. This is a question of class, and of racism, and the peculiarly colonial hangovers that still exist in the aristocracy to this day.
Yeah, Harry was right to be pissed about the insinuation. Racist, sexist and hypocritical seeing as William’s nightclub adventure happened a few months down the line then we find out a rose garden which William covered up by throwing Meghan to the wolves. I don’t know how Harry hasn’t laid hands on this man.
But even William´s choice of mistress is in accordance with this world view- in fact, not only she is British, she is noble, but she is called Rose!
I feel like he really wanted to in that Commonwealth Church service. And PWT knows H will beat his socks off if blows are ever struck
@Priscila, William has always been rather local and “unadventurous” in his tastes for women tbh. He does stray, but he rarely strays very far from his circle, which of course makes it much worse for Kate since they’re probably her friend and acquaintances that he’s getting into it with.
Well, to be fair, William doesn’t seem like he’s capable of romantic love…
But yeah, he probably wouldn’t have said that if Harry had fallen in love with an English Rose.
Any new couple in love generally hump the crap out of each other. They make out that sex is a bad thing. Do William and Kate not get it on? (Well the probably haven’t in years). Again it’s the idea of the ‘wholesome white woman’ vs ‘exotic sexualised woman’. William clearly thinks women like Meghan are not deserving of love from a white man, they are only to be f*cked and chucked. Maybe if he had some sort of sexual desire for his own wife, he wouldn’t be hoping over the garden fence to screw his neighbour.
Kate was William’s sidepiece while he was dating another woman who wouldn’t have sex with him. Through the years, she was always his convenient bedmate, not a partner or seen by him as an equal. Now he isn’t even interested in her as a bedmate.
It took 4 years after our wedding before my husband revealed why he’d stop speaking with two of his best mates. The arseholes had the nerve to tell him that it was okay to want to try some “Dark Meat” once in awhile, but you don’t bring them home or marry them. This remark was made in 2012 and I’ll put all my money on a bet that people still make comments like this. My arsehole was my best friend brother, he took it on himself to let me know that my marrying a white man was tantamount to me becoming a slave. I slapped him and told him to kiss my ass.
When you know you know. Its not like they were young adults just barely old enough to drive or drink. Relationships move quicker the older you are. Plus, they kind of had to act fast if they wanted at least one baby.
Wills problem from the get go was everything about Meghan and Harry made William and Kate look bad, even the 10 year courtship, compared to the what 1.5 year courtship of Meghan and Harry.
Yeah, this mirrors a lot of relationships I saw with friends in their 30s: they are older, know what they want, and if they find someone they love, they are ready to commit. And they have successful relationships because they ARE older and (at least somewhat) wiser.
I think part of this is that too many people still think of Harry as a youngster. They remember him walking in Diana’s funeral, they remember pics of him acting like a young idiot in various places. They forget that that was a WHILE ago and he’s not a young kid anymore, getting wasted on the weekends.
Agreed. My partner and I got together in our early 30’s and from about a month on, I knew i wanted to spend the rest of my life with him. Later he told me he felt it very quickly as well. 10 years later I still get butterflies when I haven’t seen him in a while.
There is a maturity and wisdom difference in “when you know, you know” in your 30s than in your 20s. If Harry was 25 and wanted to move that fast I’d be a concerned friend, but in your mid 30s? That’s a different story.
@ BusyAnn : you mention 1.5 years for H&M but during at least half of this time, they weren’t even living on the same continent. It was a long distance relationship where they saw each other in short, intense bursts of time. Harry’s two previous serious girlfriends (Chelsea Davy and Cressida Bonas) were in England (Chelsea moved there for law school and work) for the duration (many years) and they walked away rather than deal with the press and the BRF regimen. I wonder what would have happen if Meghan had more time to really see the system she was marrying into. Likely she and Harry would still have married but maybe they would have bailed out right from the beginning. A lot less messy for both of them.
Well this is a “normal” love story: two persons having an amazing first date, and wanting to be with each other.
Will and Kate is: a social climber waits for a decade until the Prince is forced to get married, because his main duty is to provide an heir to the crown, and Kate was the one who was still around. Probably they get along very well, and there’s affection. But great love story? No.
I also think this is a normal love story for two people in their 30s. I will be honest I thought little or nothing much of Meghan. I thought she would be like Kate and do the minimum. By gosh, she earned my respect and I certainly understand why others felt threatened by her.
and I wish we could focus on the love story for M&H but racism had to ruin it. 🙁
Examining this from the love story angle, I wonder if William isn’t just plain old jealous AF of his little brother. Both married beautiful brunettes, but it seems in Will’s case (perhaps why he cautioned Harry about this) the feelings were initial hot lust which cooled rapidly, never to return. In the end, he sensibly chose Waity and she rewarded him with three darling heirs. Duty done. But elder bro missed out on marrying his One True Love. Poor Wills 😭
NOT. It’s sickening how icily the Cambridges treated the Sussexes. On a side note, Meghan must be so glad doesn’t have to wear those stupid little hats anymore—they are so freakin’ ridiculous.
I think also, the thing with William and Kate is…they got together so young. She was what, his first real, grown up girlfriend? And he got with her right after he went to college. I hate to say this, but I doubt that he really had any intention of this relationship lasting beyond a couple of years. His behaviour through and after college seemed like he was pretty intent on partying it up and having as many flings as possible. I remember at one point, he’d said pretty clearly that he had no intention of marrying until he turned 30.
I think a lot of his ambivalence towards Kate stems from that. He wants to have it both ways. He wants to live it up as a lady’s man, but he also wants to have a quiet domestic life, with a wife waiting for him at home with a nice meal and three kids. He never had a stable, comfortable, happy home life growing up, and he wants the coziness of that, but he also wants the freedom to go out and sleep with whoever he wants and indulge in his wild side.
And I think William has always dealt with a lot of internal conflict about these two diverging desires of his. He really lucked out with Kate, because Kate is desperate to be Queen more than anything, and she’s perfectly okay with looking the other way and ignoring whatever he does (until it embarrasses her personally in front of her friends) as long as she gets the top prize. That suits William just fine, since she looks after his home and gives him the stable, cozy family life that he always wanted, and he gets all of his sidepieces. Win win for everyone.
William wants a wife and a mistress just like his dad.
This has pretty much been the royal playbook from the beginning (at least for the men), right? Marry for heirs, have mistresses at will. William is just a chip off the old line o’ blocks. Meanwhile, the wives who endure produce sons and don’t complain.
@TeamMeg, I think it’s also complicated enormously by the fact that being Queen consort is a job. It’s a role, it’s a life where you sign up to be a public figure and have a particular part to play in the theatre of royalty.
So if you’re the heir to the throne, you can very well fall in love with a woman, but the fact is, if that woman is not good at doing the job she will be signing up for, if she decides to get married to the heir, then that’s a problem. That’s a huge problem. The lady has to be able to do the work.
But if you marry a person who can do the work, who acquits herself in public well, that isn’t necessarily someone you love. So it’s the overlap, between the private and the public spheres of this unique position, that really start to cause the problems.
I think the common narrative Willie is trying to establish, with the help of the Press and commenters- is that his relationship is stable and not dramatic because he took his time. Conversely, Harry relationship is filled with drama because he is this impulsive person who was unwilling to see any fault in Meghan, took offense and went to marry her almost as defiance- therefore, their relationship should not last.
I think one of the commenters yesterday (sorry, Pisces something? Or the Unicorn?) came up with a very valid point: William does seem to want Meghan and Harry to divorce so that he could be free to do so without looking a failure. I think, to a certain extent, it is true: William has been spinning this narrative, expecting to be lauded for making a woman wait ten years and selling his relationship as mature, stable that if he now came up and wanted a divorce, then all the spin was just another lie.
It is all so stupid. A man in his twenties wanting to make sure marrying his college sweetheart was the right thing is as normal as a man in his thirties, after have lived many relationships, meeting, falling in love and marrying someone at the same stage of life in a couple of years.
There was no good intention behind William´s advice and Harry, who knows his brother better than us, caught up with that and barked. Most probably, William still shares leftovers views from the colonial period, where brit gentleman would go to all these far away places, have relationships with native women, but return home to marry an english rose. Again, Harry knows these people very well and he probably understood what William meant and was appalled.
These journalists of RR think they can place these brothers into boxes because they know them, but they do not. Harry knows William- if he chose not to listen to his brother, he had reason.
Agreed!
Also as much as William wants to put forth the narrative that he is in some super stable relationship the Rose thing shows just how much drama is present in their relationship.
The tidbit about William wanting Harry to divorce first so he can do it later is interesting. Another bullet the laundry list of reasons why he’d want to break them up. I’m still not sure if he’s ever gonna leave Kate but Harry already gone through divorce would certainly make it easier on William if he ever chose to do so.
There was also talk William was angry about their departure – because he’d been laying groundwork for a separation from Kate. With Harry and Meghan leaving, it foiled his own plans.
That plus his hope that he could get his brother to divorce first sounds plausible.
Hello, it was me who said it. By creating constant press drama around harry and Meghan, it creates the illusion that they marriage was some sort of ‘disaster’ from start to finish. All the while William and Kate look happily boring together. Now if Meghan left harry after a few months of marriage, they whole thing looks like a disaster, one that was created by William I’m the first place. Now if William decided that he and Kate should divorce, his divorce will still look somewhat better in comparison because we never saw any marriage drama. So they could essentially have a ‘consciously in-couple’ style break up. So Meghan looks a bitch, harry an idiot, Kate is dumped and most importantly William is free.
A nice plan when you think about it, except William will never ‘consciously in-couple’ because the press will never miss upon an opportunity to create a Charles/Diana style war. And also he will have to contend with hurricane Ma Middleton and her 20 years worth of dirt.
Don’t forget, the BRF has 20 years of dirt on the Middletons, their shady money, and shady Uncle Gary.
William can always play this card – ‘I was taken in by the cunning social climbers when I was vulnerable after my mum’s death’
Well that’s exactly it, they will both drag each other straight to hell. Ma Middleton isn’t going down without a fight, but William will essentially do what he’s gotta do to crush them. No matter how bad he makes harrys marriage look, he will never be able to exit this marriage intact. If Diana didn’t die, her and Charles would still be slinging mud at each other.
She’ll go without a fight if the BRF threatens to expose any and all illegal activities. To expose if royal lawyers intervened to get charges against Pippa and her FIL dropped in France. And if William paid for her new house as a post-nup for Katie Keen.
Carole has gotten her ultimate goal – her grandson as a future monarch. If Kate doesn’t end up as Queen Consort, Carole still feels she’s ‘won’. Why do you think she was obsessive about being with George so much, when we haven’t seen her invested in either of the other W&K kids or with Pippa’s son?
Carole wants to be the new Queen Mum, controlling the future monarch behind the scenes. Just like Liz Bowes-Lyon did to Charles, right down to picking out his bride.
This makes so much sense. Cambridge stans have been saying since before Christmas that Harry was leaving and it would be announced soon. Now I know the reason behind the constant rumor.
Ma Middleton will do all she can to slander any woman who replaces Kate. She didn’t spend over twenty years working on this for some other woman to steal Kate’s crown. Given how much to colluded with the press already, she clearly doesn’t seem to care about pissing off any of the royals. She was leaking how Charles is basically a crap grandparent and how her family is the family William always wanted. I think she gets away with it because KP lets her as long as it helps the Cambridge’s brand, but when they eventually become enemies the gloves are off.
I think also that William is jealous. Not jealous that Harry is with Meghan, because he wants to be with someone like Meghan, but rather because Harry had always been much more popular and well-loved than William. And marrying Meghan, becoming a senior royal, taking on more responsibilities–all of that would only serve to endear him even more to the public, and William can’t stand that.
It’s the worst sort of jealousy, where you’re not coveting anything that another person has, you’re just angry that they’re living well, because you’ve spent so many years soothing your insecurities by reassuring yourself that, even if you’re not that great, at least you’re better than this person. And then this person becomes better than you are, and you are left with nothing all over again. So you resort to finding ways to drag them down to feel better about yourself.
That’s all this comes down to. Jealousy and racism. If Meghan hadn’t garnered so much attention and done well in her tours and public duties, maybe they would have piled on a little less, or given the couple some time to adjust, but I doubt it. I don’t know. It seems like things were going ok, with a few undertones, until the pregnancy and Oceania tour, then they released the hounds of hell and wanted her out. That’s the part I want to read about in the book. I think from the time the engagement happened, they did not want that marriage. Things are very weird right now but even with the craziness in Britain over the book, they’re in LA away from it, all that stuff is behind them, and they can plan their lives. The royals will still try to interfere and sabotage, and God help us when they go back to England for a visit, cause it will be nuts.
M&H love story isn’t celebrated by some because Meghan wasn’t the “right” woman for Harry to fall so deeply in love with.
Does the tacky lifetime movie count as being celebrated? If so, both couples got that treatment.
I wish I knew what kind of woman people wanted for Harry (other than British, white and part of the aristo set) . I have a few friends who just rant away about what a social climber Meghan is and how expensive her engagement dress was. Um, Kate’s dresses are just as expensive, all look the same and are fugly. I think no matter who Harry married, she’d be dragged thru the mud because as someone said earlier, they still see him as a little boy.
I think,they’d only have been happy with a Kate clone, and only if he married after age 40, with an older bride. If Harry had married an aristocrat, even a lazy one, Kate would be insecure because of her rank or title. If he married a European royal, Kate would be insecure and the Brexit press would be xenophobic. If he’d married a normal white English woman, she’d be too common or a social climber, if he’d married an entrepreneur or millionaire, she’d be considered too independent, even if she wasn’t another race. Whoever he ended up with,the press would be obsessed but the palace, they probably wouldn’t have bullied and undermined her. The Royal family really failed this couple in so many ways, regardless of whatever mistakes they think the Sussexes made.
Its pretty obvious how in love (and lust) they are with each other – its there for the world to see.
There are some bitter Betty’s in the RF (looking at you Willileaks) – Meghan was clearly everything Harry wanted in a partner.
Am single and I would kill to have that kind of relationship. They clearly have a lot of respect, love and joy for each other. William is just bitter as he’s married to someone that he doesn’t love that way. The Cambridges struggle to contain there disdain for each other.
The way Harry looked at Meghan on their wedding day….swoon.
They just seem so happy around each other. Each one is so much happier when their partner is around. You cant fake that, and its obvious to anyone who sees them together.
Nearly four years after that first date and you can still see how in love and in-sync they are. That love is also evident when H&M are around Archie or even talk about him. At their wedding, Harry looked like at her like he couldn’t believe how lucky he was and like he had suddenly gotten his greatist wish. When he spoke to the reporters after Archie was born, I couldn’t help “happy crying”; he was so happy and so dazed like any father. With H&M it’s the whole package: physical attraction, deep love and common interests.
The part about Harry refusing to cancel his trip to Meghan’s once get news broke of their relationship stuck out to me. He’s been choosing her over “home” since the beginning. Not sure why the Windsors that would change once they got married.
Harry has a very rude awakening to racism I see. I bet Skippy is the one that was cut off immediately. Didn’t he go whine to the press about it?
“He’s been choosing her over “home” since the beginning.”
Yes. And I love it.
And it makes sense that his awakening to the realities of racism would be abrupt and shocking. Most white folks don’t know the realities without a lot of study and self examination and, for many decades/centuries the majority have not had to (or chosen to) do that uncomfortable work.
But it seems like Meghan was even surprised at the level of racialized vitriol. She’d spent a lot of years as a woman in pretty diverse areas who has a Black mother but who is relatively ethnically ambiguous and surrounded largely by white people. She went from 30+ years of that to being defined by her Blackness CONSTANTLY. I have been (and I remain) extremely curious about how all of these experiences have impacted how Meghan defines and relates to herself as a mutiracial woman of Black American heritage.
Yup, Me. I agree with you.
I remember a beau who said to me “home is where the (my name) is.” If I move from one place to another, doesn’t matter, home was me. I think Harry has found his “home” and it has nothing to do with location or building.
@S808, I agree, the gossiping friend was probably Skippy, who also reputedly told Harry not to marry Meghan. Skippy still seems to think that they (Harry and he) will reconcile!
There were weird stories a couple of months back about Skippy planning on visiting Harry in L.A., now that he has a child (after the stories disparaging Meghan for being chummy with van Straubenzee’s pregnant wife Daisy but not Skippy’s).
What I don’t get is that people could view Harry’s cutting off a friend who had been bad-mouthing Meghan as a bad thing???!!!
And, that is some nerve of Skippy, being disloyal, talking to the Press and yet thinking he and Harry will make up. This makes me think that Harry’s old friends do want him to divorce Meghan and return to that toxic fold.
Harry has burned that bridge and, oddly, I feel like CB’ers have a better grasp of Harry’s character than these posh friends do!
So lovely to hear about their sweet romance and love for one another. Love also their commitment to making the world a better place. Wow, though. I peeked at the Daily Mail and the articles defending the Queen, palace, William, Kate etc are flowing. Piers Morgan got into it as well. Looks like the palace is digging out anyone and everyone to stick up for them and trash Meghan and Harry as usual. They are the ones who are all narcissists. When their favorite prince and his bride walked away and put an ocean between them and the palace, you’d think all the haters would stop and think, “Maybe we have something to do with this.” Nope – they just continue to trash the couple. Good for them for walking away. Narcissists never learn, never change and always point the finger at others. Walking away is the right decision and the only answer. Good for you, Meghan and Harry.
William, Kate and KP are trying to prove they didn’t collude with the media to smear Meghan and harry by…. colluding with the media to continue to smear harry and Meghan. It would be like proving you didn’t rob a bank, by robbing another bank.
THIS! Hehe!
They’ve resurrected all the pale and stale gammon to ‘defend’ them and spin, spin, spin!
We see it for what it is. The book will be read worldwide without their nasty filter.
Totally accurate. I hope the book talks about Piers and his sick trolling of Meghan.
They’re panicking and desperate because there’s nothing they can do to stop or counter the coverage of this book. The other two books that are supposed to be from “their” side of things, the one by those two tabloid writers, and the other one by Lady Colin Campbell that’s due out tomorrow, have not garnered much press if any. The Colin Campbell book has been completely buried. So yeah, they’re desperate to put out their narrative somehow, because their other efforts have failed so miserably.
Their love story is amazing. I started following them after their wedding. These two can’t keep their hands off each other and it’s so sweet.
The “lust” comment is hysterical coming from William since he didn’t notice Kate until she walked down a runway in a see through dress.
The friend that Harry dropped sounds like Skippy.
I will be honest, if my sister was planning a future and dropping I love yous after 3 months with someone, I might suggest that she slow it down too. obviously they were both adults and it clearly worked out well, but it often doesn’t when people rush relationships like that. they appear to luckily be one of the exceptions.
that being said, Will’s relationship is a mess and not something to aspire to, so I suppose I’d get pretty pissed if he tried to give me relationship advice.
I think the two relationships are apples and oranges. As someone said above, it is completely normal Will wanted to wait, even though everyone says he never wanted Kate. I think I would do the same as William if I met someone I could marry in college.
It is completely normal to do it the H&M way, and it is completely ok to warn your little brother to be careful.
But William never accepted Meghan, and actively tried to make her life miserable.
That is the main issue for me.
I really think it depends on the people involved. My parents got engaged after knowing each other for 3 months (they’ve been married 47 years.) My husband and I got engaged after dating for 6 months (13th anniversary is next week.) sometimes you just know.
Now I do think with Harry, there was obviously extra “baggage” involved in terms of dating someone, and I don’t think Meghan fully appreciated what it would mean to marry into the royal family. But, I’m not sure more time would have helped, because I imagine during the courtship and even the start of the marriage, they probably assumed at some point the press would get bored and back off, and they never did.
My uncle married my aunt after 3 months. They were together over 50 years
@Alissa, I’m not sure why you or anyone else would deem it their place or think it’s their right to suggest anything, caution or otherwise, to 2 adults in their mid 30s about a romantic relationship. Once a person gets beyond puberty, they’re considered adults who can make their own decisions. How many times have you suggested which job yr sibling should apply for? How often do you suggest how they should vote in elections? How often have you cautioned about their plans for children? It’s such a sense of entitlement for anyone to suggest someone slow things down about any relationship, you don’t have that right. You could pray it all goes smoothly, if you have any concerns, but it’s not yr place to “caution” or “suggest” they slow down. I’d be very pissed if my sister or brother tried this BS on me. Being my sibling doesn’t make you any smarter or wiser than me. You may be my sibling, but you don’t know any better than I do, what the future holds for anyone. William making any suggestions to Harry was the stupidest thing to do ever, IMVHO.
Good lord, breathe. It also depends on the relationship with the sibling, and the history with the sibling. Or friend! You have never once given advice or discussed a new relationship with a friend or sibling? These are literally normal conversations people have all the time.
And yes, my sister and I have discussed whether one of us should take a new job, or have another kid, or discussed parenting, or who we’re voting for and why. It’s not unusual to say “You guys are moving really fast, are you sure this is the right relationship?” But then you need to be supportive of the decision they made. For instance, my sister moved in with a dude after two weeks. We talked about it, and ultimately she got married and had a kid with the guy, and I was super supportive of it all. Ultimately they ended up divorcing when my nephew was 1 – specifically because she realized they didn’t know each other that well and weren’t super compatible. There’s a way to have conversations about things while not being condescending, and then you have to be supportive of whatever they decide.
It’s weird to me that you think that’s so offside, but maybe you’re not very close with your siblings.
Weird, Alissa, that you insist your situation is the way it must be for all others or there is something wrong. I’m very close with my siblings, but their love lives are their business and I would never intervene.
😂😂😂😂@Alissa you telling me to breathe? LOL, you probably should take yr own advice, you seem pretty pressed about the Sussexes.
BabsORIG – not every situation is “cookie cutter” perfect. I have advised many people – my family, work colleagues, some friends – on issues as varied as jobs, relationships, finances, etc. I’ve been advised on things too – that’s what people DO when they respect and care for someone. However I believe that William’s advice to Harry was not coming from a place of love and respect, it was because Meghan is bi-racial, American, had an acting career and is an extremely capable and intelligent woman. William is stuck with a vapid Stepford wife who can barely lift a finger so I think he’s half jealous, half envious that Harry fell in love with a super-star but because he’s such a petty, bitter arse he started early on trying to undermine the relationship any way he could.
BabsORIG – thank you. I have been saying this in almost every post. Even if well intentioned, MYOB. It is not appropriate to tell a man who is in his 30’s to ‘slow down’ or ask ‘are you sure’.
Additionally PH is quite worldly and has had his share of romance so he knows his own mind. They did not marry after 3 months, they married after 1.5 years. PH was 100% publicly supportive of Kate and he is right to be hurt that it was not reciprocated.
in what way do I seem “pressed” about the Sussexes? I literally said “it clearly worked out well” and “they appear to luckily be one of the exceptions” AND stated that Will’s relationship is a mess and he’s in no position to give advice.
I’m honestly not sure how that seems that I’m negative or “pressed” about the Sussexes? I genuinely like Harry and Meghan quite a bit.
and @notsugarhere I said nothing about interfering, I specifically said that once they make a decision, you need to be supportive regardless of your opinion. I just think it’s pretty normal for close siblings to have conversations about these things.
@Alissa I think you spoke well and no, you were not negative. It’s quite common for posts to be interpreted/misinterpreted as each individual reads it, tone is tricky to tell in text even for close friends depending on who projects what onto the words. Babs escalated things and I don’t begrudge you your “breathe” reply.
Again, you’re stating outright that you think what you do is ‘normal’, but if other people stay out of their close friend’s and family’s romantic relationships it is abnormal/wrong to you.
My then boyfriend and I were dropping I love yous three months in at age 18; we’ve been married for 17 years now. Sometimes people really do just know.
It depends. Is your sister 22 or 38? Does she have her own education and an established career or is she being flighty and indecisive about what’s she wants to do with herslef? Is she self-assured or just goes with the flow of her friends because its easier? You really have to look at the person and their choices to determine what kind of advice(opinions) you should be giving. And if its even wanted.
I think it’s normal that William told Harry to slow down but after a while it’s just stupid of William to stop supporting his brother and his sister in law after they got married. It became stupid and malicious after all that Harry has done to support him and Kate.
Personally, I think a lot more was said esp if Harry’s reaction is true – it’s also clear that W&K did NOT like Meghan and were actively trying to sabotage the relationship from the beginning.
They didn’t seem to do much “supporting” while H&M were dating either tbh. That shopping trip mess with Kate was blatant and petty.
Yes, Kate was jealous and meangirling Meghan from the start. Even had Carole in on it, with the interview comment that being royal is more than giving speeches.
THIS IS SO ROMANTIC. My GOD.
I definitely can understand the caution with royal spouses- making sure they know what’s coming, aren’t users etc. And let’s be real a divorcee isn’t an ideal royal bride no matter how far we’ve come so I can understand William’s hesitancy.
But I don’t buy what FF& other press are selling about simple comment causing the rift. And wasn’t it suggested that this chat was when they had been dating for 9 months (and around time Wills was caught dad dancing& hanging with models) that Wills was speaking to others to persuade Harry against marrying her?
Whilst I can understand caution when motives were good, at same time Harry wasn’t some naive young virgin- he was in his mid 30s, had been in a few long term relationships, had apparently dated all types including older women. Meghan had been married and in a long term relationship so presumably they are grown enough to know if feelings were real. I’m sure Firm would have done security checks on her and the Sun had allegedly used a private investigator to check for dirt so if she was dodgy. And whilst it’s clear some friends had issues with her background it was reported at time of the engagement that other friends thought she was great for Harry and were urging him to propose.
So what was the Firm’s real problem? So much reporting said some staff looked down on her, Harry was being advised you don’t marry actresses, people said she was just Harry’s degree wife. Doesn’t really scream that people had issue with actions from the start but who she was and her background. Plus were any similar concerns voiced about actresses or ‘baggage’ when Harry was dating actress Cressida, when Peter married former actress & Canadian Autumn, when Fredric Windsor married his actress wife Sophie or when Beatrice got quickly engaged to Edo who has son from previous relationship and had apparently broken up with the son’s mother fairly recently before getting with Beatrice?
It’s not hard to detect the prejudice and the Jezebel tropes being deployed.
The Firm’s real problem is Meghan is black and she and Harry make future future King and Queen look dull and lazy. Anyone worthy of Harry would had this problem with making Will and Kate look lazy. Meghan just had the audacity of doing it while being black.
Agree.
I disagree. 99% of Britons couldn’t care less what colour people are and the 1% who are racist are seen as awful by the rest. We don’t have the inbuilt anti black attitude that exists in America. The royal family have travelled far more than most brits, and had far more exposure to people from other ethnic groups and cultures. It’s unlikely they’re any more racist Than other Britons. They are however snobs. Britain is a very snobby classist country. Being lower class was always going to be an issue and being an actress is even worse.
@Cari, if only 1% of Britons were racist, then how did you get Brexit? We’re those 1% all at the anti-BLM rally in London singing God save the Queen while giving racist, Nazi salutes and fighting with cops? Maybe in your opinion it wasn’t racist, but it wasn’t not racist eithe.pr. Also, Meghan had a middle class upbringing and went to private schools for entire education, and was earning 1 percenter income when she met Harry. Yes the class component is very prominent in UK, definitely, but the race issue was way more than a 1% factor.
I love these two (as much as I can, given that I have never met and will never meet them) because of stories like this. My father is a raging narcissist and my husband was the first man who ever made me feel safe, so I can relate to what Megan said about Harry. When you’ve spent your entire life with family who make you feel off kilter (like Megan probably did with her father’s awful family), being with someone who has your back is huge.
I kinda get the impression that Harry and Meghan found a home in each other – and that is hard for a dysfunctional family (where the marriages seem to fail more often than succeed) to understand. Harry has gone through some substantial emotional trauma and from ToxicTom’s behaviour I think it is safe to say that Meghan most likely has some family related trauma in her past.
There has been A LOT of divorce in the Royal family. It’s so much pressure, especially on the women who marry in and they seem to have a very transactional and performative view of marriage.
Harry no doubt picked up on the coded racism and sexism in William’s “advice.” Harry knows William and he knew William didn’t have his best interest at heart. It was also probably more about William’s control over Harry rather than genuine concern or love.
This! I think it was quite blatant though….
I met my husband August 26th, we moved in together Dec 1st, married Christmas. Been together 27 years. Is it perfect? No. Are we happy? Yes. Did we rush? No. He was talking marriage and kids on our 3rd or 4th date. Even now, when we tell our kids about that time, he takes a deep breath and smiles that big smile. Just like he did back then. He once told me that he had to take deep breaths because his heart felt full.
For My sister it was love at first sight. They’ve been together 35 years. Sometimes you just know.
My husband moved in with me on the second month. The same with his best friends. We were all still in our twenties, but already out of college. Sometimes, is a bad idea, other times it is not- only time can tell-
Nothing wrong with saying slow down and advising but if your brother is confident in the relationship, you should try and be supportive – even if you think the relationship will crash and burn.
If this marriage is a mistake then it’s Harry and Meghan’s mistake and it’s theirs to make. Family members shouldn’t be butting in and passing judgment so freely, especially when the rest of the world is already doing it.
I wrote something similar below about mistakes. I think people associate a break-up with failure. It’s not always failure! Maybe your lives went different ways but you still grew and learned from the partnership. Is a 20-year marriage that ends in divorce a failure? 20 years of marriage is a great accomplishment! People are so hard on themselves. Harry and Meghan have been together four years now and have a kid. At this point, it’s pretty moot how quickly they got engaged. Under six months is a bit fast IMO, but over a year isn’t “rushing in,” especially in your late thirties.
Thanks for sharing this, it makes me so happy! They have been through hell but they are two people who met and fell in love, this is an epic love story and you can see it play out any time they are seen together. I’m so happy for them to have found that.
Relationships are not about the first date or the first three months, but what you make of it in the long run. Plenty of people have that magic spark, that instant feeling of kinship – sometimes it works out, and then its a lovely story to tell, and sometimes it doesn’t. Its great that it worked out for them, but it doesn’t mean that their love is better or more special than of couples who took longer to grow theirs.
Funny, those 10 years of waiting while he cheated with other women. Ten years of standing by after the wedding while he keeps cheating. Gosh, that W&K ‘relationship’ and ‘love’ sounds so much better than passionate love at first sight.
Harry and Meghan, Felipe and Letizia. Harry and Meghan married less than two years after meeting. Felipe and Letizia engaged within 5-6 months of meeting. With some people, when you know, you just know.
Me: It doesn’t mean that their love is better or more special becaue it was love at first sight. Great that it worked for them though.
You: IT IS BETTER, BETTER, THE BEST because I can name 2 examples and I don’t like W&K, who weren’t even mentioned in the comment I am responding to, but reasons.
There are different paths to happiness, you know.
It is clear there are lots of trolls on here, trying to rewrite W&K’s history to try to make it look better. Ergo, their relationship is part of this discussion.
There is a whole lot of whitewashing about the W&K relationship. It wasn’t William being too young or waiting to make sure Kate could handle the role. He chased other women constantly while she stood around waiting to be the last social climber standing. He broke up with her repeatedly, dancing on tables and screaming, ‘Free at Last’ and complaining about her controlling nature.
In order to finally drag him to the altar? She and her family agreed to let him live as a single man in exchange for the wedding ring, titles, social status. I see nothing romantic or happy in that.
@perlime, I agree with your comments. Also, don’t expect any sort of objectivity when it comes to @notasugarhere. Her hatred of Kate is frankly quite scary to me.
Ah, another new name on here attacking long-time posters personally. Gosh, this book is really bringing them out.
@nota I’m not at all a new name. I’m a long time lurker/occasional poster. Also, I’m looking forward to reading this book and have pre-ordered it already. But @perline is making a perfectly valid point about how having “that spark” does not make a love better than others, and right away you jump on it to use the opportunity, as ever, to spew your W&K hate. Notice how the OP’s comment did not even mention W&K. For all you know, OP knows people who took longer to get married who have a solid relationship. And yes, as a long time lurker I have noticed your scary obsession.
Kate’s actions re. Meghan have proved everything Notasugarhere has been saying on Celebitchy for years. Kate and William are contemptible people.
Oh, Inesita, don’t bash one of the most knowledgeable posters here. I miss some of the older posters who also were masters of anything British royalty related, but Nota and some otber that have stayed are great. Don’t dare to say that The objective Nota shows a scary “hatred”, when this is one of the very few sited friendly to the Sussexes, you can browse twitter for a bit and you’ll see what unobjective, scary hatred to the Sussexes is,
I wouldn’t wish the way Kate is treated by William on my worst enemy. He doesn’t treat her with respect and that’s a huge flaw in any long term relationship. I often wonder if posters who think they have a healthy relationship are teens who have never seen what solid respectful long term relationships actually look like. We don’t even have to get into the discussions of affairs because we can see them interact and that’s not the sign of a couple who has the mutual respect that a long term couple normally has.
Thank you ladies. W&K stans are often incapable of understanding that criticism is not hate. And that knowledge of royal history is a result of simply paying attention and setting aside the PR BS.
There isn’t hate for W&K here or on other forums. Criticism, yes, hate no. There is however, rampant racist hate against Meghan on many forums.
OMG guys, I’m not a K&W stan, where did you even get that from? The point is, this post wasn’t about them, and @nota has to make it about them, as always. I also miss the old posters, such as LAK. She was in fact very objective with her comments and very knowledgeable as well.
Agree, relationships can form under so many different circumstances. I’ve been with my boyfriend for a year and half and we are just now broaching the subject of marriage seriously. Some people wait 3 years or more. Some people don’t wait because they’re very religious, or because they just “know.” It’s whatever works best for the two people involved. If you’re in love, give it a chance! If you make a mistake, so what? It’s not a crime to make a mistake. It’s not even a mistake, you learn something and you move on to the next chapter. I think people who meet later in life (like me) get the benefit of maturity, experience, and communication which can speed things up. However, there’s is something so special to me about being high school sweethearts and growing up together. That never happened for me, it took a long time. I think any relationship can fail or succeed regardless of how you got together. I never had some huge revelation like some people do. I love my boyfriend so much, but in the beginning I had no idea he was the “one.” I had too many failed relationship to be that confident plus I’m not very trusting.
“it doesn’t mean that their love is better or more special than of couples who took longer to grow theirs.” It’s funny, because literally no one was saying this at all. Not in the excerpts, not in the comments, literally no where. The fact that this is your takeaway though, says a lot.
Their love story isn’t celebrated because she’s black. End of story. It is amazing that Harry knew from that first date that Meghan was the one. I‘m sure he was jaded by women who just wanted to date and shag a prince. Kudos to Meghan for being open and honest with him.
As for William & Harry’s ex friends, they live in a bubble of white supremacy. Of course, they wouldn’t understand that Harry’s interest in Meghan wasn’t just a passionate affair, but the real deal. They projected their feelings on to his and thus insulted the woman who’d become Harry’s wife.
People tend to be “on” during their first dates, I’m sure this was no different for both of them. Trying to make a good impression. And I’m sure that Meghan was excited to be on a date with a prince as well.
you actually can’t be “sure” because you don’t know these people. at all. That’s sort of the whole point; a lot of people being “sure” about Meghan and why she dared fall in love with Harry while being black – all based on literal air.
That first date where they were “on” really worked out well for both of them, didn’t it? They fell in love immediately, got married, had a beautiful son, and then had to flee the commonwealth so they could have a life. Meghan may have been excited to be on a date with a Prince, many women would be. So what? She’s a human being and gets excited about things, like most of the rest of us.
“Their love story isn’t celebrated because she’s black.” That’s the truth and the whole story told right there.
When they got engaged and did the interview, Harry said he took one look at her and told himself that he needed to up his game. And they said the topic they discussed was their interest in charity work. They were set up on a blind date by a mutual friend. It sounds to me like they were two mature people looking to meet a partner and fall in love for mature reasons, like respect, mutual values and life goals.
William apparently dismissed Meghan as a meaningless jump off and thought Harry should treat her as such. Kate was William’s side piece during the dating years (and William had other girls on her watch). Harry stood up for Meghan for the racist and classist comments from friends and cut them loose. William was not that quick to defend Kate and I believe Kate had to force the issue. Meghan got a marriage within two years; Kate had to wait ten years and pull off a PR stunt – with the help of Carole – to get William to pop the question. Meghan has Harry’s love and respect; and Kate is jealous of that because she doesn’t get it from William.
William wanted to rain on Harry’s parade. He’s jealous and was past the stage in his life when he could fall in love and be skipping around, darting off to Africa and sleeping under the stars. So he dissed Meghan under the guise of offering advice and should have apologized to Harry and said he was wrong. Will and Kate should have then supported Harry and Meghan so there was no doubt where they all stood. Also, a lot of the criticism of Meghan is that she separated Harry from his old friends. What is it about Harry cutting off the racist snobs that the Brits don’t get?
Their story, as told, totally jives with what I heard from behind the scenes. I became a Meghan Markle fan as a Suits watcher & heard a rumor from an “insider“ friend who worked on set that Meghan was dating Prince Harry that summer she returned from her Botswana trip. I didn’t think it was surprising since Meghan divided her hiatus time between working on other projects, volunteering and traveling. Meghan has always, ALWAYS liked working. This is who she has always been. She & Harry still make perfect sense to me.
As for Suits, Meghan was really liked by the crew. There was no drama with her. She was a consummate professional. The set did have a couple of mild divas but none of them were the female actors.
Finally, I met my husband who lived in another city in October. He told me he loved me 3 weeks later (& vice versa). I met his parents that Christmas. We were both in grad school but we tried to see each other as best we could. We definitely talked every night. We were engaged 10 months on. It’s our 25th wedding anniversary this year. So yeah. Life and love can happen fast.
Congratulations on 25 years!!!💘
I think I remember reading an excerpt about how rare it was to see Harry so demonstrably happy and upbeat. That they’d try to lessen that in any way is what gets at me. It wouldn’t surprise me if Will was genuinely concerned at first, but it’s also likely he expressed it a patronizing and offensive way. And it’s obvious W&K made very little effort in really getting to know Meghan.
Love finds a way to sustain in the heart. H&M are lovely to watch and no surprise they talk about everything imaginable. My favorite story, beyond baby Archie, is their cooking chicken spending a relaxing evening together. Direct contrast to the K&W pomp and circumstance life of phonies.
This right here is the real issue. Harry found someone whom in his own words ‘made the planets align’. He finally understood what it was to love and be loved unconditionally and his brother saw the threat in that innocent love.
Add to the fact that Bill settled and he’s a huge misogynistic racist, it;s a recipe for a toxic mess.
Meg was the Princess Charming in this story who saved the Prince and hubbed him up.
I love your take re:Princess Charming!! They truly found each other and I’m so glad they’ve escaped their toxic relatives.
When you know, you know. I met my husband when I was 28, he was 31. He asked me to marry him after six weeks, and we were married five months later. 35 years ago and still strong.
So a little while ago I actually watched Harry and Meghan’s wedding on YouTube…had never watched the whole service, because it’s a bit long. Anyway, I watched it on mute because it was late, the family was asleep and I was too lazy to get out my headphones, (so I couldn’t listen to the lovely music which was my favorite part) buut…I was more attuned to expressions, and it was interesting to see William checking out Meghan, in a veiled way. I think he was a bit fascinated with her (or maybe I’m making this up). But there’s jealousy on various levels in William, I think. And even more in Kate. It all adds up to a bad outcome.
Funny how in our single days, my husband and I used to hang out with his older brother and his then-gf. After we got married, it took a turn, and they followed with their own marriage a couple years later, but dropped us from the friends’ list. 25+ years later they are just divorced, and now SHE is closer and warmer to us than ever during the past quarter century. Go figure. It’s all bewildering, as we’ve always been the same essentially. It’s perceptions that change around what we do…get married, have a kid, etc. Though we had our kid after them…So who knows. We were puzzled why we got side lined, since we felt the same about them as before our marriage. They also got much wealthier in the middle tho, and flung around a great deal of $$$. Which disappeared pre-divorce. Human relationships are weird lol. My BIL is Mad Men material tho, and she seems very woke lately in her FB posts so maybe she’s coming into her own…
In some respects, I can understand William’s surprise and hesitation to see Harry fall head over heels for an American actress. I think her being a divorcee was probably the thing that stuck out to William the most. Meghan also dated her first husband for years and then the marriage only ended up lasting two years so Meghan didn’t have a great track record with marriage. And then there’s the cultural divide. American culture and British culture are not the same at all and well, Harry isn’t exactly an average British Joe. And of course there’s all the veiled racism but obviously for William, he wouldn’t even realize if he was being racist.
As for Meghan and Harry, I believe they were in “lust” and love from the word go. Both can be true! And you absolutely can get engaged after a year and a half. Most people I know were together for a few years longer before a proposal but I know a few who got engaged after a year. My own parents fell in love pretty fast too. It took them a few years to get married though because an ocean separated them and it was the early 1980s so they had no Internet to communicate.
Do you also bash Letizia for a decade-long courtship ending in a marriage of less than two years? Of course not.
I wasn’t bashing Meghan, I was merely explaining what I thought must have been going through William’s head when Harry started dating Meghan. I am not defending William either. At this point Meghan and Harry have been together for four years anyways.
Honestly I would probably feel similarly if my sister dated a guy who had previously been married, it’s kind of natural. But I would also give the guy a chance.
And I know all about Letizia’s first marriage, I lived in Spain for two years and closely followed the royal family while I was there. Letizia was actually given a hard time by the Spanish press because of her divorce when it was first announced she was engaged to Felipe. It took the media off guard because nobody even knew Felipe was dating her and Spain is very Catholic. But they came around to her.
I will say no Amelie
‘Meghan also dated her first husband for years and then the marriage only ended up lasting two years so Meghan didn’t have a great track record with marriage.’
This is absolutely you and your projections about Meghan at play. You don’t know what happened in that first marriage, but you choose to blame and judge her for it.
@nota you are putting words into my mouth I never said. Maybe I should have picked “she didn’t have a great track record with marriage in William’s eyes” if that clarifies it for you. But you keep twisting what I said. I never blamed Meghan for being married or for her marriage ending. I like Meghan and Harry but nobody is perfect. Sometimes marriages don’t work out.
I’m not twisting anything. I based what I wrote on exactly what you wrote.
It’s funny how so many of these excerpts are touching on so many headlines we’ve seen for years now…
Remember the story line of Meghan “forcing” Harry to drops his friends? Well, it turns out his friends were racist/elitist jerks and Harry no longer had room for that in his life. And good for him! He has been going to bat for Meghan since the beginning.
“When he first started seeing her, Harry, sensitive to even the slightest hint of prejudice, had fallouts within his own circle. When some questioned his new relationship, and whether she was suitable, he would wonder, “Is this about race? Is it snobbery?” An old friend of Harry’s spent an afternoon gossiping about Meghan, making disparaging remarks about her Hollywood background. Word got back to Harry, and the prince immediately cut him off. If he was willing to confront those close to him, when it came to the media, Harry was poised for outright war.”
The Daily Mail is suggesting Lainey as a source for the book, and general publicity. If accurate, the leaks went both ways.
The Fail is speculating on Lainey because one of her blinds came up in the book. They want to know sources the same way they want to know the 5 friends because they want to find out and take down anyone who defends a Meghan or has any input on her point of view. Lainey has also been very disrespectful toward Meghan so there’s that. They know a lot of mutual people in Toronto but after the Jessica debacle, Lainey was very clear she had no access to Meghan. Also, she constantly drags the Royals regarding Andrew and called the the Cambridge’s on the ridiculous Tatler article.
My husband and I knew very quickly into our relationship that we were each other’s ‘One’
30 something years later We still are ( Ok sometimes I have to snark out loud why an intelligent man can’t drop his clothes into the laundry basket while he snarks about me buying too much fresh fruit that goes to waste)
I get why Harry would be upset about Willy offering big brother advice especially while Willy was brushing off the rose petals off his clothes
Not a Mean Girl Waity fan at all but I wonder if she is/was jealous of the love and respect H&M have for each other especially that she must know Willy has never ever had that much love or respect for her?
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Honestly believe that William and Kate never wanted to see Harry married or in love it benefited the Cambridge’s if Harry was still single and they were seen by the British public as the perfect stable couple with cute kids . I think that William and Kate are both snobby racist and arrogant they didn’t welcome Meghan with open arms they actively tried to destroy Harry marriage. Kate is stereotypical mean girl who sees any woman as a threat she actively involved herself with the help of the press her mother and the courtiers to smeared Meghan . William had no business telling his 35 year old brother what to do with his relationship I think a lot of the resentment towards Meghan is not only is she black but she also help Harry stand up for himself William is so used to getting his way he upset that he couldn’t sway Harry from marriage. It’s amazing how the press and the Cambridge’s are allowed to smeared Meghan and harry relationship create falsely narrative about how the relationship started but the moment anyone dares says anything about the Cambridge’s marriage their relationship and their fans come swinging taking swipes and spreading falsely information about Meghan past relationship.
Intervening in someone else’s relationship is very risky, it’s almost always a mistake. I lost a friend over this a few years back because she could not keep her feelings about my significant other to herself. She basically forced me to choose and choose I did. If you’re in a good relationship, I would hope you’d choose your partner over your friends or even family, especially once you have a child. I’m not talking about abusive relationships, rather general or basic relationship issues that everyone experiences. My partner is the most wonderful, loving kind person I could ever dream of. To this day, I think my ex-friend was just possessive or some other subconscious forces at play. Sometimes people who are used to you being single or available to them, or just unmarried and “up for fun,” cannot accept when you grow up/settle down and they fall lower on the totem pole OR if you have something they don’t have. Just my opinion based on my situation.
I was kind of bracing myself because of the headline, how it said they were “almost obsessed with each other.” But then I read it and I just had heart eyes, my god. These two f-cking idiots (and I say that fondly, with a big grin on my face tbh).
Also, the whole thing with Harry’s Instagram handle being @SpikeyMau5. Because he’s a big “house music” fan and likes Deadmau5. My guy, what are you DOING (I say, still fondly). I don’t know why this is just so funny to me, but it is, it’s also weirdly endearing like it’s so f-cking stupid but it’s just so cute? I don’t know. It’s just such a weird British lad thing, and I don’t know why I find that so funny in particular. This is so much better than William being into psychics and mediums, hands dow.
The excerpts on them meeting and falling in love do read very romantically and gave me heavy sighs. They still have that chemistry. Like some have already said, they were both in their 30s , with their life pretty much established, she’d also been married before, so they knew what they wanted and when you’re ready , you’re ready. It’s easy to blame Meghan but it seems that Harry grew up and was growing away from his brother , and they didn’t notice until this relationship took them by surprise. A lot of this whole thing is about control. William controlling Harry, his and Meghan’s popularity, how and when they work. They didn’t want them to get married because of her race, but they could never say that, at least not to his face. So much sexism, racism in there, and still is. They left it, but that’s not enough for the British, they really think if they wreck Harry’s marriage and work, everything will go back to the way it was before. It doesn’t work that way. Everyone’s changed.
When they got engaged and did the interview, Harry said he took one look at her and told himself that he needed to up his game. And they said the topic they discussed was their interest in charity work. They were set up on a blind date by a mutual friend. It sounds to me like they were two mature people looking to meet a partner and fall in love for mature reasons, like respect, mutual values and life goals.
Those whirlwind courtships and quick marriages can go either way, and not just for the young. I have a friend who was well into her thirties, divorced with two kids. She met a guy who out a real rush on her and they ended up marrying within 6 months or so. And it turned out to be a “marry in haste and repent in leisure” situation.
Several years later I watched another friend go through a very similar scenario.
While a short, intense courtship likely is exciting, I do wonder what the actual statistics are. Somehow I think they fall on the side of getting to really know each other, and that takes some time.
Of course thst happens. I knew someone similar,mid 30s, kids from previous relationship, met a widowed dad and prepared to go all Brady Bunch in a year. Turns out he mostly wanted her as a caregiver for his kids and elderly mother so she broke it off. As for H& M, they were not exactly whirlwind. They did the long distance thing and had the press intrusion and behind the scenes drama with families. They were under a lot of pressure, and the marriage was being pressured from within. It’s been two exhausting years. Maybe they left to give the marriage space to blossom and not feel constant stress, especially when people are placing bets on the divorce. They’re not out of the woods yet but they have been through a lot so far together. I hope they can move to the next level as a strong partnership as they build their new life outside the royal world.
The descriptions of their first two dates was EXACTLY how I felt about my guy friend when we remet each other in August and Late December last year. I had this sudden need to tell him everything about myself and want to hear everything about him. He told me he will come to visit me every weekend when I move back (I am in Canada, he is in NC), but I have been trapped up here for months waiting on my citizenship test before I can move back. I really wanna know if this is a thing or not. We talk a lot, but it isn’t the same as in person. Send the universe positive vibes for me please!
Also, thanks to the psychic yesterday, I had a dream that I was William’s mistress and was pregnant with his love child and he was trying to figure out how to quickly divorce Kate. lol I am a Pisces, so I guess that’s where my subconscious went–I dunno why, haven’t found him attractive in nigh 10 years. Nor do I want to be William’s sidepiece.
I truly enjoyed watching Harry and Meghan’s relationship develop. I secretly believe that the royals did not think this relationship would materialize into something very serious. When they did all hell broke loose and they wanted to make Meghan pay a heavy price for loving and marrying Harry. That is why the focus of negative stories were placed on her head-she dared to love harry, marry harry, and give him a child-The evil minded people whether royal or royal workers or insiders heads exploded with sexism and racism to force her out. Nobody with an ounce of Christianity would treat another human being in this manner no matter of their dislike. I dislike things and some people in this world-I don’t deliberately try to harm them in any way. I don’t seek out things or people whom I dislike. Life right now is under stress as it is-I am not going to add to my stress level venting and hating. There is one thing the Brits seem to miss-YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY LIVING PEOPLE ON THIS PLANET.