Are we still talking about the Duke and Duchess of Sussex’s short video for Time Magazine’s Time 100 issue? Yes, we are. Because everything Meghan and Harry do these days just has to be analyzed, smeared, hated, and disseminated. With the Time video, Harry’s words were the ones getting all the headlines. He said: “It’s vital that we reject hate speech, misinformation and online negativity. When the bad outweighs the good, for many, whether we realize it or not, it erodes our ability to have compassion and our ability to put ourself in someone else’s shoes. Because when one person buys into negativity online, the effects are felt exponentially. It’s time to not only reflect, but act.” That’s it. Reject hate speech. Reject misinformation. Approach life with compassion. The fact that everyone is 100% certain that this was Harry slamming Donald Trump says a lot about Trump, not Harry.
Anyway, as I said, the reaction was insanely overblown. Buckingham Palace released a statement: “We would not comment. The Duke is not a working member of the Royal Family and any comments he makes are made in a personal capacity.” Donald Trump used the opportunity to blame Meghan and snidely say that Harry is going to need a lot of “luck” in dealing with Meghan. We also heard that rage-monster Prince William is big mad. Now the Sunday Times (via the Daily Beast) has more about how the Windsors feel about Harry saying that hate speech should be rejected:
The Sunday Times claims that senior royal aides see the intervention as a “violation” of the couple’s divorce deal with the royal family, and are looking at how the royal household might be able to further distance itself from Harry and Meghan.
A royal aide said: “The [royal] family are all wringing their hands, thinking: ‘Where is this going and does this abide by the deal to uphold the values of the queen?’ The feeling is it’s a violation of the agreement.”
Stripping the couple of their HRH titles, however, is seen as unlikely, with a source telling The Sunday Times: “The view at the moment is that you can’t do that to Harry. Even Edward VIII kept his HRH when he abdicated [but], there is a strong view that the family really does need to put more distance between them and Harry and Meghan.”
Friends of Meghan told The Daily Beast this week that the couple had done nothing wrong in urging people to vote, and said they would not be deterred from continuing to campaign for voter participation.
However, a royal source told The Sunday Times: “If Trump is re-elected and makes another visit here, what is the queen supposed to say when her grandson and his wife have effectively campaigned against him? They know the political arena is meant to be absolutely off limits to members of the royal family.”
There were also claims that Harry looked ill-at-ease and “out of his depth,” in the clip, a subjective impression conveniently impossible to disprove, of course.
“It is tragic to see a man who once smiled so broadly looking as miserable and out of his depth as Prince Harry now does. In a few short months, Harry has gone from being a Prince with the chance to use his position to achieve much for Britain, the Commonwealth and the military, to a boy lost,” wrote royal biographer Hugo Vickers in the Telegraph. “Watching Harry sitting next to her in the election video the couple released this week was wince-making. The Royal family must be above party politics, even more so in a country that is not their own. He has no business talking to the American people about elections, in which he has never voted, as surely he realizes.”
After I read Finding Freedom, I let it marinate for a bit and then I picked up my copy of Tina Brown’s The Diana Chronicles, which I believe is one of the better (and fairer) biographies of Princess Diana. I just finished my re-read last week and it’s crazy to see how little has actually changed for the House of Windsor. Perhaps because the entire mechanism of the monarchy is built around the wants, needs and opinions of a petty, jealous, tone-deaf 94-year-old woman who has no idea how “her people” actually live. The Windsors truly didn’t learn anything from Diana, that’s evidenced by how quickly they abused, bullied and smeared their two most charismatic assets out of the country. And now they’re *still* trying to find ways to “punish” Harry and Meghan for the “crime” of being against hate speech and being FOR the right to vote. Petty, punitive, tone-deaf bullies, the lot of them.
(Also, I really don’t understand all of the breast-beating about “what will we do if Trump is re-elected?” when it comes to the Windsors – they’ll do what they did in 2019, give him another f–king state dinner and he’ll be so pleased to get photo-ops with the Queen.)
The Duke and Duchess of Sussex: "Congratulations to this year's transformative leaders and change makers. You work tirelessly to create a better world, a better global community for all of us" #TIME100 https://t.co/3aojLBhOVu pic.twitter.com/aqOkVUNFBX
— TIME (@TIME) September 23, 2020
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Are they kidding? If Trump wins and IF she visits what will she about her grandson?????? WOW. They really need to pull that stick out of their bum and get over themselves. They are both non-working royals. They gave up everything to be non-working, so the only thing they really have left is their own voice and self identity and they want to muzzle that as well.
Good to see the Sunday Times confirm that hate speech is one of the Queen’s values. See also:
Racism
Pedophilia
Financial scams
Land grabbing
Adultery
Laziness
Did I miss anything?
If these “royal aides” aren’t made up by the “journalist” of the piece, then they are stupid and incompetent. Don’t they know that framing Harry’s plea for people to reject hate speech and be compassionate as a violation of the Queen’s values make her (and the monarchy) look bad.
Add Nazi sympathising to the list because the Duke and Duchess of Windsor kept their titles (and his HRH, if I’m not mistaken).
Harry: “It’s vital that we reject hate speech, misinformation and online negativity.”
Palace: “What do we do? WHAT DO WE DO? How can we distance ourselves from this menace to society? Would anyone please consider the feelings of Donald Trump and how awkward another State Dinner with him would be for the Royals!?!”
Yup, makes sense. How dumb do you have to be to work for any of the British Royals?
IQ ceiling of 50-75 would by my guess. Mediocrity would be considered overqualification.
I’ve been wondering, why are the BM so perpetually distressed at the meerest sight or sound of the Sussexes? Clearly, their real crime here is exhibiting imagination and gravitas that far exceeds the rest of the family combined. They are gemstones and the more they glitter, the more they reveal William and Kate for the ordinary household pebbles that they are.
But of course, the BM and BRF are absolutely desperate to pretend that the opposite is the case. If they talk Will and Kate up enough, maybe people will genuinely start to see them the way they see Meghan + Harry (fresh, sexy, colourful, provocative)? Lol….we’ll have to see about that, won’t we?
In the meantime, they really need M + H to just shut up and dissappear,because everytime they pop up, seeing the gemstones again reminds the British public that they have pebbles. And then the BM are back to square one yet again on their turd polishing quest.
JMO but the “real reason?” Because their victims escaped and are thriving. Nothing enrages a bully more.
“household peebles” Lol😄
Does anyone really think this 90 year old woman is still running the show? I think her courtiers have seized control. I don’t think she is even aware of the magnitude of the drama her courtiers have caused because they are probably shielding her.
Does she go to the bathroom by herself ? Does she even know what day and year we are? LOL
I agree. I think the courtiers are running the show. It would be better if she would abdicate so Charles can try to take some control. The staff shouldn’t be running things.
Charles and the courtiers are running the show. He got rid of her personal secretary several years ago. He has been the de facto regent but everyone attributes all decisions to the queen.
I think William is incandescent with rage this time because HE wants to be known as “Woke William” (he’s sooooo over racism, guys) but typically doesn’t want to do the work.
Tired of this narrative… the Windors have made it very obvious from the beginning, with their stank faces at the wedding that Meghan was not welcome. She left. Let her be
They want to destroy this marriage so bad , they will not stop bullying her until she is physically harmed or until George grows up and starts dating
@ Oh, not only that, they are painting this narrative of how miserable Harry is in each and every picture that has been printed since they settled in CA. Again with the report of how miserable Harry looks in the Time video, how he looks miserable, has no friends in CA, only Meghans friends and doesn’t fit in. As Hugo Vickers points out that this once smiling Prince has now become a shell of himself, not word for word, but you get my point. This ongoing narrative of how dramatically Harry has changed and he is no longer the happy go-lucky Prince with a smile on his face and not a care in the world to his miserable existence in CA! Give it a break Hugo and the rest of the RR’s and haters!! Harry in the happiest he has EVER been!!
The labeling of Harry as miserable to me is a form of harassment for the couple.
First Meghan’s friends would never talk to the Daily Beast. Second the royal family are truly idiots.
@ CC, that was my first thought, yes Meghans “friends” went running to TDB to let them know what H & M were thinking and the purpose of their video to denounce hate speech and the importance of voting.
In addition, what rule did they break? They are no longer working royals. Was there a cleanse that stipulated to you are forbidden from speaking about politics? Which Harry spoke nothing about politics as neither did Meghan. Harry voiced his opinion about hate speech and misinformation and the results of such and Meghan encouraged people to vote.
The ONLY people with their knickers all twisted from this video are Wilileaks and Keen, that’s it!! How dare H&M make waves across the pond to take attention away from our hard, cough cough, work?
Any form of praise bestowed on H&M are automatic fits of rage and tempter tantrums from the Cambridge Camp of Crazed Jealousy!
The Palace only have themselves to blame. They should have agreed to Harry and Meghan’s offer to be part-time royals, that would have given some control over them. I’m so glad that Harry made the decision to walk away being part-time would have made their lives miserable.
Britain’s reputation has been severely damaged, but not by H & M.
@Merricat, THIS. Yes and that is why they did not like Meghan: She inadvertently illuminated what the RBF really is. And all of us here know all the adjectives so fill in the blanks as you wish.
But do I give they all that much credit for realizing before hand that they are racists entitled swine????
Yes, Britain likes to see itself as the most civilized country in the world, while simultaneously enslaving and dominating other countries and races. They must be so surprised by the turn the 21st century has taken!
Doesn’t the “well informed” British Media know that Melania has been pushing her Be Best initiative, one goal of which is to get kids to be nicer online and decrease online bullying?
So wouldn’t Harry’s speech be better interpreted as FOR Trump? Since he came out in favor of what the First Lady is doing? Right? Right? RIGHT!??!?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I honestly don’t understand why the Sussexes want to maintain any professional relationship with these people. I understand this is Harry’s family and he wants a personal relationship with some of them. If they return the title and say no thanks to Harry’s place in line I honestly don’t think it would hurt their popularity. They’d be able to say and do what they want and charities should still que to work with them.
They had better not return a single thing to that family,least of all those blasted titles. They’ve taken enough from the couple. No more.
PS, it will never, ever be enough for their detractors. Have you seen them get any credit whatsoever from these monsters for *gifting* the crown estates with £2.4 million? Of course not.
I agree, if the RF wants those titles back so much, let them take them. I feel Harry and Megan should really hold firm with this since l think it goes deeper than a title. And why should they relinquish their titles when dear Uncle Andy still keeps his? And once HM start to concede to these people, that’s really opening the door for these lunatics to think that they’ll agree to more concessions. Nothing is ever enough for these nuts.
Feeshalori it is not about conceding. Its about showing the monarchy for what it is. A relic of a colonial, racist, classist past that has absolutely no place in the modern world. As long as they keep the titles they are carrying the same toxic baggage as anyone else that claims to be entitled to privilege, wealth, and deference by accident of birth. I dislike any and all “royals” on principle. I’d like to see them walk away because I think they are among the very few that can thrive without the title.
Aang, I understand your POV, but I really think that HM needs to put the royal family in the position of taking these titles away from them. HM can do fine without the titles, no question, but why should he make it easy for them by handing them back. And it will never, ever be enough for these rabid people. Harry will always be a part of the RF despite the distance he maintains and the titles he no longer has. And the monarchy is doing a fine job on its own by blatantly demonstrating to the world what a toxic anachronistic system it is.
@aang, I disagree. As much as I don’t care about the titles and I truly believe H/M don’t either, I don’t think they should give them back. I think they should let them come and strip it from them. I actually want them stripped of the titles so there can be no more illusions about this family. But H/M should not voluntarily give them back. Also, I promise if they gave the titles up, the new narrative will be they are insulting the queen and Meghan will be blamed for turning Harry against his family and birthright. Still, mostly I don’t think they should give it up because I want them to be stripped just like with the HRH and Harry’s military honors. Expose the BRF and the BM to the world and let the common wealth see who they are in bed with.
What a joke. Again, not only did Charles just launch his environmental “Marshall plan,” which is quite political considering UK/US politics around climate change, plus there are so many relationships between the conservatives and the royal family. I mean – if more progressive people won in the country they might consider reducing their funding or more, so the idea they aren’t political is literally impossible. Beatrice was at the Boris Johnson victory party.
Yes, climate change is a lot more political in my mind than “stop hate speech.” (it shouldn’t be political, but at least here in the US it is.) These people just keep telling on themselves.
I had no idea about Beatrice going to Boris Johnson’s victory party. Well then, I hope the Sussexes go to the Biden inaugural festivities, enjoy the hell out of themselves, and take tons of pictures.
They have a pedophile in the family, but yeah, sure, the guy who wants his wife and son (and of course other PoC) to be treated like human beings is the REAL scandal.
Wouldn’t it have been a lot smarter to, I don’t know, make some tepid statement of non-disapproval (a weak-ass “we don’t DISAGREE” probably would’ve sufficed), and let the sycophants fall all over themselves praising the Windsors for being “enlightened”? Nevermind that the enlightenment came a couple of generations late, that’s to be expected with these people. “No comment” is infinitely worse here.
At some point the “Royal aides/courtiers” just need to STFU and let it go. You’d think they’d be more worried about losing their jobs due to budget shortfalls than what H&M are doing.
I find it hilarious that they keep running to reporters to comment on every thing Harry and Meghan do or say in a supposed attempt “to distance themselves” from them. It seems like they can’t wait to constantly attach themselves to Harry and Meghan’s narrative, news stories, and PR. Like they really want to remind everyone that the BRF “made” those two, that they wouldn’t be popular or newsworthy without their relationship to the BRF, so we must always remember to give all credit to the RF, to make sure that any light that shines on Harry and Meghan gets reflected back on to the family. They’re doing the opposite of distancing themselves from Harry and Meghan. They’re constantly reminding everyone that they’re very much obsessed and connected with them.
Lol, I noticed this too! They constantly use the term “distance from” to mean “keep constant tabs on and harass to the press”.
Remember when Willileaks was laughing about the poor Uber driver being taken down to the floor and frisked for delivering the food to his lads round table at KP? Now there was some online negativity that disrespected the values of the Queen. Or, remember when Will, the Statesman, said the coronavirus was hype, cough, cough? Surely making light of a worldwide pandemic on a Royal tour disrespected the Queen. And when they were at the door of Anmer Hall clapping for the essential workers didn’t Will look like he was being held hostage by Kate in their marriage because she desperately wants the crown? He looked tense and there against his will. #StripWilliamOfHisTitle.
Seems like the Queen is fully onboard with William’s values set–he had to get it from somewhere, yes? Strip the Queen of her title. Abolish the monarchy.
Okay so what are the Windsors planning to do about it?
Exile him to another co- Oh he’s already gone.
Make him step do- Oh he’s done that.
Ban him from public family ev- Oh he’s already skipped the Christmas walk.
Remove his titles and line of succession pl- Oh wait you need parliament and the CW nations for that. And he doesn’t even use his HRH.
Remove his fund- Oh he hasn’t used that since 31st March (as written in the annual reports)
I wish I could like this comment. The RF has already taken everything, what the hell can they do now? H&M have so much money and opportunities that they don’t have to care about his relatives opinions anymore.
They are going to start demanding a blood test, to see if Harry is really a royal.
@Harper…I remember reading Charles had the DNA test to confirm Harry is his son. This was quite some time ago, when Harry was a lad, just about to become a teen (ie: shortly after his mother’s death). Can you imagine losing your mum, then your Dad wants to check to make sure you’re his kid, too. Harry’s hurt goes back a long, long way
I’m pretty sure H&M are the ones doing the distancing, considering they put a whole ocean and a whole continent between them and the royal family .
If “don’t be a bully to people, online or in real life” is such a heated message for the royal family, they need to do some soul searching.
Violation of the divorce deal? There is the problem right there. They are acting like jilted lovers. Harry didn’t divorce them, he relocated to another country with his ‘actual’ wife and son. They need to stop crying over him.
Also, what are they going to do about it? It doesn’t matter if Harry and Meghan DO stand up and say “vote for Biden.” What can the royals do about it? As we’ve discussed on here multiple times, they’re never going to strip him of his HRH and titles, at least not while Andrew is walking around as HRH The Duke of York, and even if they did, I don’t think Harry and Meghan would care. The tabloids have made them into a global brand as “Harry and Meghan.”
The royal family has played its cards and they lost. H&M are out of their reach.
Exactly. If they knew they wanted to do a one year review, whose bright idea was it to strip him of the honorary military title right away? Why not use it as a condition to keep him on a leash. Since he will now have a year to get accustomed to a life without being Captain Wales, now what? Just cut your losses and move on, BRF.
He earned the rank of captain in the actual British Armed Forces. I believe it takes an act of treason to lose his military ranks. The Evil Empress took his honourary titles from him in a bid to humiliate and shame him into staying.
Personally, I would be so embarrassed to wear 13 medals I didn’t earn, especially in front of real military officers, but nope, they slap on all those medals and then go inspect real troops. They believe those fake awards give them the right to judge actual military people.
Assuming that Harry isn’t currently as miserable as sin imprisoned with his horrible harpy of a wife, how to explain the fact that he no longer smiles, laughs, and plays the fool in front of the camera? Perhaps he’s simply grown up and now, as a married man and father in his mid thirties talking about serious issues, he feels that it would be more appropriate to behave in a serious way when publicly discussing those issues? Or perhaps, given he’s spoken repeatedly about his mental health struggles, depression, anxiety etc., the whole time he was being super smiley super fun Harry he was putting on an act, overcompensating for his misery by appearing bright and breezy at all times? Or perhaps a combination of the two? *SIGH* The ‘senior royal aides’ are ridiculous. The British media is ridiculous.
Or perhaps his hatred of the paps was tolerable for him when he was “just Harry,” but is absolutely unbearable to him for his wife and child.
Absolutely. And with very good reason. As he was too young to help his mother, he’s not too young to help his wife and son.
Remember when Anne was in that circle with Boris Johnson & Justin Trudeau laughing at Trump& Trump got in a huff and left the NATO (?) conference early. Interesting how there was no faux concern for Anne & so many people thought she was badass and it was funny. Remember people talking about the Queen allegedly wearing a brooch Obama gave her to meet Trump. Funny to think there was a time people loved the idea of the royals being anti Trump& subtly shading him.
Plus remember Charles’ waxwork jibe about Chinese officials from the diaries the Fail published & the Queen being caught on camera talking about their officials being rude. Selective memories.
Good point! That really was a political statement and huge faux pas by Anne.
I wonder if prince rage is again/still incandescent because he thinks Harry is really talking hate speech he generates?
I FORGOT ABOUT THIS!
Now I’m REALLY annoyed by all this noise.
Oh please the Saxe Coburg and Gotha need to get over themselves. The fact that Andy hasn’t spoken to the Americans yet is political, the fact that KP is filled with tories is also political, the fact that Charles writes to MPs is political, so what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.
These people are gross. And worse, they have ruined The Crown for me.
Hard to sympathize with Claire Foy or Olivia Coleman when Petty Betty is the real deal of antiquated, racist, classist, out of touch, colonialist, rules don’t apply to Andrews, hag.
I binge watched The Crown (never watched before) to catch up before the next season which covers the Diana era. My biggest takeaway was that the family is one big dysfunctional mess that ultimately isn’t really needed anymore and has a business model that is going to be more difficult to maintain and harder to justify in terms of emotional and financial cost as time goes on.
I keep playing this video. I love their green lush backyard, I see their dog in the background, I see that they are still very much in love and they are not afraid to speak up.
Yet…they see Harry as a “hostage.” These people.
Either they know H&M plan on giving back their titles back and they’re trying to get ahead and set the narrative, this is bullshit to contents sake or the BM is putting pressure on the BRF to take their titles.
This is so stupid. So silly. Exile? Really? I guess dumb sh-t like this appeals to royalists, who are yearning for additional punishment. Have to reaffirm to them that the RF still has control over H&M. Though it’s clear to anyone with sense that they are powerless.
Also, I love that the only details they have about the “agreement” that’s been “violated” are Harry’s words taken out of context. I imagine no formal agreement saying such things exists.
Here is what I don’t understand: It keeps being remarked upon how miserable Harry looks these days, but who that has half a brain is actually happy these days? The world we live in now is just about 180 degrees different from what it was during his most “jovial” times, and many people are gravely concerned about… well, pretty much *everything* right now – Harry included. He’d look like (and would be) a self-absorbed a-hole if he gallavanted around with a huge grin on his face during times like these, and then he’d be criticized for *that* instead! So ridiculous.
Great point – it would be really odd to make a video about standing up to hate and then put on a giant toothy grin!
Also, as many others have pointed out, Harry has specifically talked about how his gregarious and smiley persona in the past was often covering how miserable he really felt!
It’s not that they want him to BE happy, just to appear so.
Yes, depression, anxiety are all on the rise. These are uncertain times, but, the UK media expect Harry to act like the court jester for them.
They are projecting because Harry looks quite happy in most videos. The Cambridges, especially William, look grumpy though. If they want to play the happy family game, that’s a house of cards just waiting to collapse.
Harry looks happy, healthy, and honestly the most relaxed I’ve seen him look in pics/videos. compare that to recent pictures of him with William (ahem Commonwealth service) and you see what he looks like when he’s tense and not happy. the press knows it and they’re just that much angrier. It wasn’t supposed to be this way – they weren’t supposed to move to LA and live in Tyler Perry’s mansion (i.e. showing that they have serious connections) and then buy their own gorgeous estate and sign a huge deal with Netflix less than 6 months after walking away and be happy and glowing and networking and famous etc. They were supposed to be miserable and unsuccessful and to come crawling back to the royal family (and the rota) in March 2021.
The press and the royal family know they’re happy, know they’re never coming back, and they cant stand it.
When Archewell launches or the Sussexes have their first Netflix hit then watch all this talk of stripping titles and “distancing” disappear. Jealous or not, the royal family knows that Harry AND Meghan give them more cache and visibility especially internationally than they would have otherwise. They are not giving that up.
The British Royal family is behaving more like the Saudi Royal family. They’d put the Sussexes under house arrest if they could. That said, even people like Seward and Peter Hunt, not exactly Sussex fans, are telling people to calm down regarding the titles. I think as overblown as this is, the Sussexes always see the criticism and backlash, test the waters, and they adjust and carry on. I think Harry mentioning voting in passing has them riled up more than the rest of what he said, but them just speaking in any capacity freaks the royals out. No matter what they do, the British press will always be circling like hungry sharks.
Even Penny Junor said the whole taking titles away is not going to do anything because they’ll still remain part of the royal family and be associated with them no matter what.
Not hand wringing! What next, terse words?!?
Why do I get the feeling we’re still going to be hearing demands about having their titles stripped 20 years from now. These people just love feeling so hard done by. *sigh*
So am I to understand that the Windsors, all those senior royals, the various palace aides, and all of these extraneous royal biographers and experts, are all against voting rights then? They are in favour of voter suppression? They are in favour of internet misinformation? They want to keep their populace uninformed and stupid on purpose, unable to discern facts from fiction? Am I to understand that this is what the British Royal Family wants, and thinks is the best, most apolitical stance to take? Silence in the face of lies that are destroying democracy and a free society as we know it?
Good to know their masks are off.
Goodness me, how tone deaf are these people that they think harry rejecting hate is a bad thing. No wonder CW countries are trying to distance themselves from RF. They keep digging themselves a deeper hole
“watching Harry sitting next to her” what dick-ish comment. Not “sitting next to meghan” not “sitting next to his wife” just “her”. It’s rude and demeaning though not unexpected from these people.
I like to think of Harry at home in the evenings after a few laps in the pool relaxing as he briefly glances at this nonsense and says “Princess Henry can you hand me the Vegan Scotch decanter I would like to toast to our decision to leave that hot mess of a family I have behind forever.” (And aside from short visits for their charities and the occasional funeral, it is definitely forever. Just kidding he calls her Meghan and cares not one whit what title the rest of the grey goblins use.) I then like to think of a Meghan raising her glass of delicious organic Wine and saying “Cheers my Prince, May our beloved son never be used for PR pictures with stolen artifacts. Don’t forget we have that get out the vote rally tomorrow.
The more I look at the top picture the more I see Harry’s eye daggers aimed at Nasty mean girl Katie keen