In March, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex appeared at one of their final events as full-time working royals: they attended the Mountbatten Festival of Music at the Royal Albert Hall. Harry was there in his capacity of the Captain General of the Royal Marines, a position which was being taken away from him as part of the Sussexit. That event was his last act with the Royal Marines, and it was very emotional for him. Harry and Meghan received a standing ovation, and later we heard that out of all the punishments from the Queen, being stripped of his military titles and honors was the deepest cut. (Again, the Duke of York still has all of his military titles and honors and he’s a rapist who was BFFs with Jeffrey Epstein.) Harry was also telling people that the loss of military honors was a punishment which was “forced” on him. So… what do you make of this?
Prince William is set to replace his younger brother as the new head of the Royal Marines. The move, confirmed by senior Royal Navy sources last night, anticipates the outcome of Prince Harry’s 12-month review will find “no reason to alter current arrangements”.
Interestingly, a royal expert has said the Duke’s recent comments on the upcoming US presidential election may have contributed to the status quo. Commenting on the plans for Prince William to become the new Captain General of the Royal Marines, Richard Palmer, royal correspondent at the Daily Express, said: “The headline in the paper doesn’t mention Harry but it will undoubtedly be a blow to him if this happens. The Sussexes’ intervention in the US presidential election, no matter how carefully worded, was deemed by palace officials to have crossed a line. It’s likely to have effects.”
Last month Meghan and Harry appeared in a video in which they seemingly endorsed Joe Biden to win November’s presidential election.
Just so we’re straight, let’s go through this: Harry and Meghan wanted to step back from full-time royal work and be able to spend time outside of the UK, while still maintaining some kind of part-time royal status and part-time work. This was seen as deeply criminal to everyone in the palaces, and the Queen and William set about finding ways to punish H&M. The Sussexes can’t use their HRHs. They can’t use any Sussex Royal branding. They had to give up their Commonwealth Youth ambassador roles. Harry was stripped of all of his military honors. And now… months later, Workshy Will is taking Harry’s old position and it’s being called yet another punishment because Harry said “reject hate speech.” Wow. These people are completely deranged and awful.
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Well, that should help the brothers’ relationship.
Correct. Everything we see seems to cement the idea that they are trying to show PH that he is now OUT.
Do we think Harry honestly cares what they do to punish him? He’s got Meghan and Archie and his beautiful house with a shit ton of bathrooms and a crap load of money. He seems happy based on what we’ve seen. He peaced out of a toxic family with a family he chose. I think he’s had enough therapy to realize he doesn’t need any of them and what they bring to his life.
@fluff_bunny … The military is very important to Harry. It gave him a sense of self and belonging when he didn’t receive that from his family, who supported William in his entitled position of using Harry as his own, personal buffer from scrutiny and criticism. It’s like having a gift for music or art dancing that was a part of your self expression and your parents or spouse insisted that you give it up for the sake of something they felt was better for you … or to punish you for not following their wishes. I think this has, and will continue, to hurt Harry deeply. Yes, he is happy with his wife and child, but in time the removal of his military roles will wear on him. Particularly as he watches William piss it all away from a distance.
At this point, it is hard to believe they are doing this in a further attempt to force Harry back into the fold (hopefully without his annoying wife), and back into his role as William’s personal doormat. No, this is someone digging the knife in deeper, and twisting.
If Lacey is correct about Charles and the Queen instantly liking Meghan and seeing the bigger picture of what her inclusion could mean for the Commonwealth, then they should have put their foot down with William from the very start.
@Yvette He still has Invictus so he can interact with servicemen through it. Hopefully that will be fulfilling for him.
@fluffy_bunny 😂😂😂 l rarely comment but your “his beautiful house with a shit ton of bathrooms” made me laugh!!
Way to go RF. At the rate they are going, they’ll be lucky if Harry ever speaks to William again. Lazy, work-shy Will who does nothing for the armed forces is not a good fit for this position and I’ll be surprised if the Royal Marines are happy with this.
I hope the Royal Marines oppose it. This might be a trial balloon to see what the pushback is.
JMO but I’m thinking the Royal Marines will be super disgusted by this if it comes to pass. I doubt William will find many there who will welcome him (of course they will be polite). But gosh, that’s a dirty blow.
No standing ovations for William, unless he specifically commands it, which I would not put past him.
I expect he will, but you cannot command hearts. 🙁
@Merricat The Baftas stone silence will forever be etched in my mind. It just goes to show that there are those in the know amongst the patronages, but they are forced to pay lip service to the Royals to keep the funding rolling in.
@Mignionette, said something like this the other day. Regardless of what agenda the media or family push, the people on the ground know what’s what – that William and Kate are full of hot air, vs the real impact of having Harry or Meghan involved with an organization.
This.
Sure, let’s oust the one who actually served / was deployed, and replace him with the one who had never done a worthwhile thing in his life.
William did serve in the RAF. As heir to the throne he was not allowed to go to Afghanistan because of the risk of kidnap. As soon as it got out the Harry was there he was brought back.
@Jolie let’s talk about how William helps his patronages — crickets.
Jolie
Let’s talk about the respect he got by his RAF mates and how he served. That Kate never liked or helped out with the RAF wives or fundraisers. Or that William barely worked, barely made flight hours (which at least once he didn’t), how he made the schedule and other coworkers chaotic having to leave their long approved vacations because Will decided not to work when scheduled. That he needed help with his gear because he always had someone to prep it for him. Where’s the honor in his service customized to fit his lack of passion?
And what does he do for them now? Unlike Harry that did as much as he could.
@jOLIE – Harry was brought back when an Australian paper outed his location, but he was able to return to combat elsewhere at a later date I believe.
This has gone from diabolical to full-on evil. What will PWT demand next to soothe his narcissistic rage? A suit made from Meghan’s tears?
If the Queen is no longer compos mentis enough to control PWT, she should abdicate due to being unfit, or appoint a Regent. But I have a sneaking suspicion that the old bag is enjoying turning the knife in the wound… ugh. Time for a Republic.
What does PWT stand for. Prince William “T”?
“Penis with Teeth.” It started because someone on here said that’s what he looks like now LOL.
OMG HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
@Becks1 I came up with ‘Penis with Teeth’. It’s one of the great achievements of my life, which is rather sad, really
Andrew’s Nemesis, you truly did the lord’s work with that one, LOL.
We will never not be grateful Andrew’s Nemesis. Thank you.
Was the inspiration from one of those COVID-generated nightmares?😆
I’m sure it was William’s idea. He is burning that brotherly bridge out of spite, and there will come a time when the isolated and paranoid ffk will wish he had not.
I’m sure it is. He sees how much love and respect his brother gets from those in the armed forces and wants that for himself. He doesn’t realize that adoration can’t be bought.
This is why I want the Sussexes to use some of that Netflix F-You money to buy their own little estate in the UK so they don’t even have to rely on the charity and good will of the Monarch (whoever it will be at the time) to uphold their lease on the Servant’s Quarters. Somewhere where Archie and Meghan won’t be treated like second class citizens. Their own Sandringham, basically. Something that can’t be taken from them on the whim of a petty Monarch.
Is Highgrove a Crown or Duchy property? I’ve been curious about what happens to it once Charles and then William take the throne.
It’s been such a labor of love for Charles, I hope it goes to someone who appreciates and preserves it.
I actually hope they spend very little time in the UK so basically only need to stay at a hotel once in a while. And they should strip the fixtures from Frogmore since they paid for them.
@Dara I was looking it up a few weeks ago (maybe around the time we were talking about the organic line being grown at Sandringham?) and it is part of the Duchy of Cornwall. It’s Charles’s and Camilla’s private residence, which I think just means its not open for tours etc. The gardens are open for tours though.
Gosh, that should make for great morale in the Royal Marines.
Enhanced cohesion, too, especially between troops who adored Harry and those in other factions who might harbor more racist sentiments and who are happy to see Work-shy Will take over at the helm.
This is like replacing the boss who actually came up in the ranks, with the owner’s son who just got a communications degree and needs to learn the business before he takes over for daddy.
Harry was better for this than William, because he served, but lets not pretend that this position was not given to him because of who he is (like all other positions the royals hold) and not because he’d get there on his own. I’m willing to bet there are thousands better suited people in the marines than him.
Still petty and nasty from William, tho.
I would be surprised if anyone in the Marines cares about which Royal Family figurehead is their titular leader.
They gave Harry a standing ovation during his final appearance. They were happy with him so I think they care a little bit.
They’re wanting to rub Harry’s face in it, so to speak. It is completely unnecessary and… well I was going to say something about admiring the Queen and all that but at this point the buck for this stops with her and Charles and I’m pissed off. It’s petty and cruel.
I still don’t get what the Sussexes are being “punished” for. They were being harassed by the press and decided they wanted to step down and get away. Why is this a punishable offense?
Because it appears that was part of their job title…”scapegoats” and they dared to say say “hell no”!!
Hence, they must be punished!
This is straight from the toxic family play book. Harry was the scapegoat and whipping boy for the golden child William and he’s being punished because he opted out. They are trying to regain control by punishing him in an effort to get him to fall back into line.
this x 1000!!!
The Times reported that Anne was taking over this role. So it’s suspect that the express is saying Will is in line for it. Also interesting that the former head of the armed forces apparently wrote a letter saying he hopes Harry would return to royal duties as the military would miss him. I suspect that Harry’s popularity with the armed forces is a sore spot for some royal’s& I don’t think the Marines are necessarily enthralled with suggested replacements which is why the role was suspended.
The Sussexes didn’t endorse Biden as much as the British tabloids want to sell that lie and literally said the same thing as the Queen, Charles & William have said on topics of voting, hate speech, misinformation, trusted news.
I have a theory that right wing Brexit backing papers like the Sun, Fail & Express are concerned about a Biden victory because he has said no US trade deal if there is a threat to the Good Friday Agreement whereas Trump promised a great trade deal a while ago. I think these papers want Trump to win. I also think Trump is more interesting to the media ratings and clicks wise. I think the ex CBS guy said similar
Yeah, they want/need trump to win. Trade deal aside (that they need), he’s right wing.
They need Trump to protect Andrew from the FBI.
Trump promised Canada and Mexico a great trade deal too. He started with sanctions, insane and illegal tariff hikes and embargoes. Caveat emptor U.K.
Nafta already existed though and they just changed the name and not much was altered. So nafta part two exists now. A deal with the UK requires coming up with something altogether new and that’s a lot of work dump won’t do.
Those papers are going to be in for a HUGE unpleasant surprise. Blue Wave, folks.
Kamala Harris likes meghan has supported her on Twitter Harry has connection with Dr Jill Biden via invictus games
@Rita — I didn’t know that! Wouldn’t it be something to have Harry & Meghan visit the Biden White House and enjoy all the pomp and circumstance accorded a visiting Royal? Although I honestly think that it’s more likely that the Bidens and Harrises would attend the Invictus Games as H&M’s special guests. What a stick in the eye for the BRF …
@booboocita can you imagine? The Bidens and Harrises attending the Invictus game? PRICELESS!!!
Exactly Richard Palmolive does not know anything. He is just mad because he is a strong Trump supporter( the tweeted it) and was the one writing on his trashy paper how disrespectful the Sussexes were against Trump,and they should be stripped blah blah blah
The Rotter Gossipers are trying to upset Prince Harry. They want him back, and are just throwing names out there! They don’t know. Just for clicks!
@ ABritGuest, imagine a country that is so involved with the matters of the US election and that the favoritism placed on Agent Orange and his Nazi-esc handling of the US constituents and allies, that they would be in favor of us suffering for another 4 years of Agent Orange’s treasonous behaviour. In addition to the ongoing recovery to undo all of his destructive actions, social unrest and irreversible pain at the deaths that are mounting everyday to his approach in regards to COVID 19, we will see our grandchildren trying to recover from his one term. With the Brits favoring Agent Orange, we will be suffering everyday just for them to acquire a decent or promising trade deal. Which, given the history of Agent Orange, I wouldn’t trust him as far as I could throw his obese ass in regards to a deal unless the deal was signed, sealed and delivered. So you Brits might want to think differently as AO has reversed course midway through discussions before, to his own egotistical self and what’s-in-it-for-me before any agreement takes place.
You don’t pet a rabid dog and not expect it to bite!
Dump wants to leave NATO because that’s what Putin wants and in a second term he would do it. The UK would be screwed if this happened.
Man I feel so sorry for him. This has to be the most toxic family in the history of families. I don’t understand someone who would want to hurt their sibling like that.
The Valois and the Plantagenets win the contest of most toxic royal family. The Windsors haven’t actually warred against each other, imprisoned each other or killed each other. They do win the Most Toxic Modern European RF though.
“The Windsors haven’t actually warred against each other, imprisoned each other, or killed each other.”
Only because they can’t raise armies. And if ever that becomes an option …
I thought Anne has been given the role? If not maybe her husband as he was actually a Naval officer.
Nope, talks of Anne taking over were shut down almost as quickly as they started. They might’ve been keeping the position open for Harry in case he came back but he’s not so William is making a play for it.
This is a pure PR move by the BRF. FF indicated that Harry wanted a clean break from his birth family. Sounds like he would’ve given his right arm to be free of them. But out of respect for QEII, he decided to give the one year trial separation a go. Harry was aware that family would give all of his military honors to other members of the BRF. And he left anyway. To him, Archie is more important.
QEII and Phillip really failed as parents.
If William is really this bitter and vindictive Harry was right to move his family and become financially independent. Imagine having to financially rely on King William The Incandescent With Rage Peen.
Punishment for who? The Marines? Lord knows William is not about to do anything of substance in regards to them. They’d be better off with no royal involvement at this point.
I’m shocked at their commitment to incompetence. Is there no one there who realizes how bad this makes them look?? Someone said that William would be the undoing of the BRF and you know what, I think they’re right.
Do they honestly think it’s going to get anything more than an, “Ugh,” from Harry? They have already cut the important strings. He’s going to do what he wants from now on.
How can he remain Captain General of the Royal Marines if he isn’t a working royal
But it won’t be William who has made that decision, despite what folks think.
Well, Andrew is no longer a working royal (and won’t return) and he still has all his honourary military positions.
Andrew is still has all his honorary military titles and he’s not a working royal.
If someone quits their job, they don’t keep their title.
Andrew was basically fired and he kept his.
He’s basically put on administrative leave.
Team Harry though. I’d get out of that crazy institution too.
Military appointments aren’t jobs though. They are honorary appointments and they can’t be compared to a job because the appointment is supposed to bring honour to the regiment, which in Andrew’s case it absolutely does not. Besides if he never shows up again to Remembrance Day, he won’t be doing one of the major tasks assigned to him through the honorary appointment.
Wasn’t there talk that at least one of the regiment didn’t want him to come to their ceremonial functions?
There was an article once which referred to Wiliam as an ‘almost-ran’, this situation reminds me of that. Always in the shadow of his younger, more accomplished brother.
Watch Will and Kate show up next year. I predict Kate Will be decked out In a long red gown with a slit up the side.
LOL i read this right after the longest phone conference on the driest subject. So with eyes almost crossed from boredom I read “Will be decked out in a long red gown” and automatically assumed a typo, meaning PWT will be wearing the red gown. That made my morning!
But you’re right, I fully expect any patronages/titles the Cambridges take from the Sussexes, those events will be attended by the Cambridges, at the expense of the patronages etc they already have (and ignore)
Richard Palmer is pretending like this decision was made because Harry’s comments during the TIME 100 show, which didn’t endorse anyone btw. The stripping of Harry’s position with the Royal Marines was announced at the time he stepped down as a working royal. It was reported that Anne was going to take over the role but then the Royal Family announced that Harry would keep the title but not represent the Marines during the one year review. I think the family were using his military associations to try to convince him to come back the royal life. William’s name popping up now is KP publicly campaigning for the position.
I think it has more to do with the royal family trying to show that they punished the Sussexes to end the British media’s continued request of the removal of their titles. I had been wondering why articles saying Harry was hurt that his honorary military titles were taken started popping back up a few weeks back.
The Netflix deal and the paying back of Frogmore Cottage renovation in full once again showed that the Royal Family was being dictated to and had no control over the Sussexes. This is their attempt to show that they have some control over the Sussexes, if only to “punish” Harry for not following some nonexistent rules.
Palmolive consorts with megxit trolls so any interpretation from him is meant to provoke and take the most negative view of the Sussexes as possible. He doesn’t know anything and especially not why certain decisions happened.
But until Andrew is stripped from all military honours, this looks extremely bad on the BRF. Harry’s actual service was praised but Andrew was a huge pain in the ass and despised by his peers when he served.
Spot on.
wow. i honestly set my heart on the back burner that all the animosity between the brothers is purely tabloid created. when Diana was alive she tried her damn hardest to ensure they were raised on a solid, loving foundation. i thought that after her death, they were coping due to their close bond. i wonder what truly happened that split them apart so catastrophically because there were red flags popping up even before Meghan entered the scene. Poor Diana must be rolling in her grave at the way her precious boys have outgrown each other
Exactly. Their mom is gone and their father and grandmother are old and not here for long. After that they will only have each other. It’s absolutely heartbreaking to see their relationship going down like this. If Lady Diana was alive none of this would happen, and the fact that their father isn’t even trying to improve their relationship says a lot about him.
Harry made the choice to protect his wife and child from his toxic family. To say his mother would be anything but extremely happy that he made the best choice for his family is downright wrong. I don’t think if Diana was alive today she would be happy with the majority of William’s behavior.
Maybe if Diana were alive today, William would be different. I don’t think we can underestimate the magnitude of her loss for her sons. Without her, the only people William truly loves (one supposes) were blood royals and his own wife. But if Diana had lived, he may have cast his allegiance with her, rather than with the Firm. (Or at least be more divided in his loyalties.) He would have observed with adult eyes the the way the Firm treats the married-in. It might have given him more sympathy for Megan.
Boobra:. I think there was recognition on Harry’s part, long before Meghan came on the scene, that William clearly intended to have Harry’s role as an “also ran” and a useful tool to deflect to whenever William was, again, caught out at something stupid or insensitive (oh, but look at the Nazi!). Meghan simply gave Harry the will and legs to walk away and the awareness that he was so much more than the jolly little brother that William wanted to paint him as.
If that’s what the Royal family wants, it is what it is. When the Sussexes stepped back, they knew they didn’t have the right to keep any of the patronages and honorary roles and titles associated with their former public Royal roles. It seems like the BRF and press want to exacerbate this rift because they think it benefits and elevates them. There seems to be this desire to continuously “ punish” the Sussexes, whether in or out of the Royal family. It was especially evident once she became pregnant. In some ways, because of their desire to take down the Sussexes, if they did anything public again for the BRF, it would be such a big deal and becomes such major news over there, it would once again overshadow the other royals, and we know how poorly the others react when that happens. As much as we like seeing them and love their causes and the way they work, the Sussexes really have stepped back and have become more private, despite the headlines.
BP was dangling giving military titles back as a bribe to be discussed at the one-year staff meeting. I’m a little surprised they are giving them away now, or perhaps they finally read the writing on the wall and realized he isn’t coming back?
What I think the RF cannot stand is the fact that they are doing fine without them. The people in the RF, who work for it, cannot imagine a life where they were anything other than members of the BRF. The fact that Harry can, and will be doing exactly that, is a direct affront to their own identities. They have to make him pay for leaving, because they have to make it seem like staying is something worthwhile.
Honestly–what really is the worst they could do to Harry? Take away his title as Prince? Make him Mr. Henry Wales Mountbatten-Windsor? And so what? There are billions of people in this world who don’t have titles. Who are not royalty. There are more of us than there are of them. We all live perfectly adequate lives, do we not? The idea that they really think taking away an unearned title is a huge punishment is a reflection of what they think the rest of our lives are like. And that should be deeply insulting to any decent human being.
I truly hope that Harry’s mental health is in a place where while this might vex him, he won’t be done in over it. I hope he’s no longer struggling to get out of bed like he acknowledged in the SA documentary. I hope he, Meghan and Archie are all doing well and this is just an annoyance, but nothing that will set him back on his journey.
These two, H/M really descended from two of the worse families I’ve ever been in a position to observe in the public sphere. I know there are worse families out there, where different types of abuse occurs, but the treatment both H/M have received from their paternal families have been truly abusive and I feel bad for them both. Money can buy a lot, and make life easier, but no amount of money and privilege can make abuses like these less painful.
Meghan bought harry surfing lessons for his birthday he will be fine
LOL. Good for her.
No other royal family in the world viciously puts down their own like this one. They all need to be examined for mental illness because that superiority complex they all have is definitely an illness.
This reminds me of the times my older brother used to draw in felt tip pens on my dolls when I got too much affection from my granny.
LOLZ – William is unstable…..
I say the bigger story of the royal family isn’t their rejection of Meghan–that sucks of course, but we already know that the royals don’t value the married-ins. The bigger story is their utter rejection of Harry because he did not make a choice in partner they agreed with. Their love for Harry was always conditional on him doing exactly what they wanted. What a toxic family. He’s better off creating a family of his own, made up of his wife, child, mother in law, and their trusted friends. He isn’t the first person to be rejected by his family for making choices the greater family didn’t agree with. Their best defense is to live their lives as happily as possible. All of this nonsense proves how right they were to leave. There’s no “duty” here to defend–enabling and being the scapegoat for a narcissist isn’t “dutiful”. It’s toxic. If Harry and Meghan were friends of ours and not royals, we would be telling them/advising them to do exactly what they are doing. Disengage. Make your own life.
I guess the tabloids will be waiting to destroy the lives of Charlotte and Louis. Perhaps Meghan and Harry will be a great example for them.
No archie was destined for the scapegoat role with the cambridge’s kids being the the good and archie plus sibling the bad kids
Eh, that may be what William intended, but the interest in the spare’s children lessens considerably once the heir’s kids come of age. The tabs did cover Beatrice and Eugenie, but not to the extent that they covered William and Harry. (And probably part of that was because both of Charles’ kids were boys and girls generate clicks.)
@Rita and @tcbc -I think you are both right. In William’s mind, Archie was destined to the be scapegoat for the Cambridge kids, but that wouldn’t really work out just b/c the press is naturally going to be more focused on the Cambridge kids once they get older, especially once they become the Cornwall kids or the Wales kids. But William wouldn’t think of it that way.
This is only the beginning, the Firm will try to destroy him just like they destroyed his mother. Good luck Harry…
Nope, it’s the end for them. Harry is doing just fine.
You can’t destroy what you don’t control….Harry’s gone, he’s in another country where the RF have no control, he’s financially independent with a promising future ahead of him. The BRF are the ones who have to look out with what’s on the horizon – Brexit fallout, Commonwealth departures, Scotland Independence, Prince Andrew’s role in Ghislaine’s trial, Taxpayers questions on the Royals….Good luck.
“a video in which they seemingly endorsed Joe Biden to win November’s presidential election”.
I’m tired, can we just not please.
Word.
This means more work for Willileaks, so his spiteful attempt to hurt his brother is going to backfire.
I read somewhere online that the Queen and Prince Philip wanted Princess Anne to take over – until William stepped in yelling “Me! Me! Me!”
The old adage that living well is the best revenge is certainly true. Harry and Meghan have everything. William seethes over that every day.
I hope this happens. Just imagine the reaction from the marines that this bully who NEVER SERVED and bullied his veteran brother out if the country being their head. The MOT already stopped his plans to hijack harry’s mental health app for veterans. He thinks doing this would somehow make him closer to getting his hands on invictus games (which is an independent charity with harry as patron).
Let the fool take over. The RAF have given up on keenkate as did the irish guards who ONLY get a visit for the annual st Patrick’s day presentation(which kate didnt bother attend in 2016)
I think Willie is becoming a full blown tyrant, or he’s atleast on his way. All he needs to do is go incandescent with rage and he gets his way. When has he been told no? Looks like it’s never happened. His desperate need for power and control is worrying, I can see him potentially becoming a dangerous person.
Like “punishment “ lol?
What ? The BRF thinks very highly of themselves outside of their circle and the trash UK media who cares if they think they are punishing Harry . Harry would have ended up pathetic like many people in his family . The BRF/UK does not carry the cache that they once had . This behavior does not make the BRF look good . They are basically high end trailer trash fighting for attention.
Every time I read another story about how the BRF is doing some new whack-a-doodle punishment, I hear King George from Hamilton…
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti8xeyaSwCI
😂
The Queen controlled and dominated her sister Margaret-Prince Charles controls and dominates his siblings-Prince William is suppose to control and dominate Harry’s life-People wonder why so many of the royals have health and mental problems. God bless Harry. Meghan. and Archie as they move forward in their new life.
Love that caped red dress. Such a good look for her. Simple and clean lines are flattering to her small frame.