Over the Thanksgiving holiday, Donald Trump issued a pardon for Mike Flynn, who absolutely is a traitor and a liar. The thing is, I actually forgot that Trump had not already pardoned Flynn? Did anyone else feel like that story was deja vu? But no, Trump only pardoned Flynn last week. It was as predictable as they come, literally everyone knew Trump would do it. So who else will Trump pardon? Himself? His ratf–king henchmen? What about Rudy Giuliani, who is up to his eyeballs in lies, fraud, financial misdeeds and treasonous international conspiracies.
Rudolph W. Giuliani, President Trump’s lawyer who has led the most extensive efforts to damage his client’s political rivals and undermine the election results, discussed with the president as recently as last week the possibility of receiving a pre-emptive pardon before Mr. Trump leaves office, according to two people told of the discussion.
It was not clear who raised the topic. The men have also talked previously about a pardon for Mr. Giuliani, according to the people. Mr. Trump has not indicated what he will do, one of the people said. Mr. Giuliani’s potential criminal exposure is unclear. He was under investigation as recently as last summer by federal prosecutors in Manhattan for his business dealings in Ukraine and his role in ousting the American ambassador there, a plot that was at the heart of the impeachment of Mr. Trump.
Mr. Giuliani did not respond to a message seeking comment. Christianne Allen, his spokeswoman, said, “Mayor Giuliani cannot comment on any discussions that he has with his client.”
Mr. Giuliani’s lawyer, Robert Costello, said, “He’s not concerned about this investigation, because he didn’t do anything wrong and that’s been our position from Day 1.”
Yeah, over the next month, I’m sure a lot of us are going to become self-styled pardon experts. The truth is that Trump probably *could* do a preemptive pardon for Rudy and anyone else. Presidential pardon powers are broad and pretty untested in the court system. Now, would that mean that Rudy is in the clear for everything if Trump does in fact pardon him? No. Because much like Mike Flynn, a pardon takes away a person’s right to plead the fifth. Giuliani and Flynn could be hauled before Congress to testify, or subpoenaed by a federal prosecutor to give testimony under oath, and if they get caught in a lie, that’s a brand new crime not covered by the pardon. Plus, you know, state charges. I’m 100% certain that Rudy has committed a slew of state crimes.
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I wonder when Rudy Poo sold his soul to the Devil and if he had known this was the price he would pay in return.
John Oliver did a segment about him. It’s on YouTube. Apparently he’s always been like this, but it was overlooked in the wake of 9/11.
Yep, he’s been horrible since he was NYC mayor. During his terms, the surest way to get an earful from cab drivers would be to bring his name up. His cops treated them (and just about everyone else) like garbage.
Why should they even think about pardon when we all know the trumps and all those around them are ” innocent “
Exactly. It makes you wonder what crimes they have committed nobody knows about. Obviously, they know they are guilty of something.
Exactly. At the very least you’d think they’d be discussing this more quietly. Open criminality is the norm with Trump and his goons now.
For those asking why they would need pardons if they are innocent: they are claiming that Dems will seek retribution with a “witch hunt” and the thus, pardons all around are needed to combat that.
A pardon for crimes not yet uncovered seems pretty dubious. I think the courts will be very interested in determining the legality of such pardons.
As long as Giuliani doesn’t p!ss Trump off he’ll get one. Trump will also try and pardon himself.
I saw a great theory yesterday that Rudy’s been promised a pardon as long as he somehow hands Trump the election, which is why Rudy’s gone in all guns blazing on the legal elections-related shenanigans.
I could totally see it.
Well everybody, including Ghouliani, knows he ain’t getting that 20k-a-day! He wouldn’t be hustling this hard for free…..
LOL of course he wants a pardon – not just for work he may have done for/with Trump but all the other shady stuff he’s been doing over the years (because I don’t think he’s confined his shadiness to Trump.)
I anticipate that what will happen is what you described Kaiser – he’ll pardon all these people (including Ivanka et al) and they’ll get hauled before special committees and for questioning and they cant plead the 5th so all of a sudden a lot of dirt will come out and hey maybe some of that dirt will lead to state crimes. Because remember – Trump can’t pardon for state crimes.
I like your idea, but pessimist me figures they’ve been committing crimes right out in the open the entire time trump’s been in office–with zero repercussions–that that will continue to be the case. ‘Moving forward’ & all that.
The pardon system is untested because the founders of this country and our Constitution make a very simple assumption: the president will be a person good moral character.
This administration has taught me so much and the executive branch; it has been a great lesson in civics! The practice of giving former presidents intelligence briefings is not some kind of rule, which I thought it was, it is a tradition. The Former head of the CIA is already come out and said he spoken to the Biden administration to dissuade them from providing Trump such briefings because he’s so easily compromised especially with the debt he will be under the minute he leaves office.
Personally, I think the that he could be the greatest intelligence asset This country has ever had. They can just feed him a bunch of weird stories and wait for them to hit the front page of the NY Post and every other Murdoch publication.
Oh, wow, now that’s something I hadn’t thought about.
I’m surprised Americans are so casual about this. A president creating a precedent of pardoning his minions for crimes that are yet undiscovered is a huge deal. End of democracy huge.
we’re not as non-chalant about this as you may think, but we are aware that there are 5 justices on the Supreme Court who put their religious & political ideology way before the constitution
I’m astounded by this–well, not really, these people sink to new lows all the time. But how can a president pardon someone for crimes he hasn’t been charged with? It’s a stunning admission of criminality, and logically it just makes no sense to me.
I certainly agree that trump should not be told sensitive security secrets after his presidency because he’ll definitely sell them to our enemies to make $. All ex-presidents continue to get this access, because it’s never been an issue before. This is an issue for trump, obviously. President Elect Biden should prevent the traitorous ex-president from getting ANY intelligence. I’m sure the founders would be rolling in their graves.
If he hasn’t done anything wrong, why does he need to be pardoned? 🙂
so….you think if he doesn’t get his pardon his hair will have dye-rrhea again?
Hahaha omg, Im looking at this on my phone and the little image of rudy that you click on to navigate to the actual post looks so funny on my small screen. His face has dripping hair dye and additional black lines on his cheek and chin. It’s hilarious. Took a moment for me to realize he was holding black rimmed glasses. Thanks for the laugh Kaiser.