I think many of us are still processing the trauma of the Trump era and trying to put that nervous energy to good use by advocating for Donald Trump and his enablers to face consequences. I mean, *just in 2021* they incited an insurrection and tried to murder the vice president and Speaker of the House. It feels like over the past twenty years – especially, but it started earlier than that – the GOP has grown more delusional, more insulated by their propaganda bubble. They’re still in deep denial about what they’ve done. I was never joking when I called Trump and his supporters a death cult. That’s exactly what they are: a cult, and a murderous one at that. So is it so off-side for Katie Couric to make a pretty even comment about Trumpers needing to be “deprogrammed”?
There are concerns about Katie Couric as a guest host of “Jeopardy!” after her “condescending, elitist” remarks that GOP and Trump supporters should be “deprogrammed.” Days after “Jeopardy!” producers announced Couric would be a guest presenter of the ABC show following the death of beloved host Alex Trebek, she went on Bill Maher’s show and backed Trump’s impeachment and Twitter ban.
The former “Today” host told Maher on January 15 of GOP congressmen, “It’s really bizarre, isn’t it, when you think about how AWOL so many of these members of Congress have gotten. But I also think some of them are believing the garbage that they are being fed 24/7 on the internet, by their constituents, and they bought into this big lie. And the question is how are we going to really almost deprogram these people who have signed up for the cult of Trump.”
A “Jeopardy!” source told Page Six the remarks immediately worried the producers of the Sony Pictures-created show, which attracts an audience with a median age of 64.2 years old. The source said, “The ‘Jeopardy!’ audience is very conservative. And the show has always steered clear of politics. Katie’s comments so soon after she was announced as a host are very concerning to the producers. They are worried there will be a backlash against her. There has already been some complaints. Jeopardy viewers are quite a traditional bunch, and there’s fears she might be too polarizing after this. At the very least, she already appears to have ruled herself out of becoming the permanent host of the show.”
Couric has been weathering criticism for her partisan comments. The Hill columnist and Fox News contributor Joe Concha said, “This sort of rhetoric from Couric — which comes across as so condescending and elitist — underscores the divide between our media, which primarily resides in New York and Washington, and the rest of the country, which is moderate to center-right per multiple polls. And it’s why the industry is so mistrusted and frowned upon.”
I’m not even some big Katie Couric fan or defender, but what she said was completely… fine. Couric’s statements actually ARE the centrist position: that Trump and his cult of terrorists and white supremacists are the outliers. There has to be some way to deprogram these people so that we can at least have political conversations in good faith, with an acknowledgement of the facts. Facts like “Joe Biden won the election,” “racism is bad” and “we need a vaccine distribution plan.” Those facts are still disputed by the people wrapped up in the Trump cult of personality, lies and delusion. I have to think that once the impeachment trial gets going and we learn more from the inevitable hearings on the Capitol siege, more people will understand just how Trump weaponized his cult of unhinged followers to literally try to overthrow democracy.
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So… the side against cancel culture wants to *checks notes* cancel someone for saying something? Irony is dead. Like Trumpsters’ brains.
“irony-proof” has been my go-to adjective for these people.
I have a hard time believing Katie wants to be the permanent host of jeopardy, especially if she can’t state the obvious for fear of melting snowflakes.
There is a whole Reddit sub (qanoncasualties) for people to go for support after losing family members to these beliefs. Parents are physically attacking or disowning their children left and right among other sadder things. It’s awful.
The source said, “The ‘Jeopardy!’ audience is very conservative.”
So it’s “conservative’ now to overthrow the duly elected government?
Lol! This is what they are all admitting every time something like this happens. GOP is the party of racists and sedition, and they stumble into owning it constantly.
And is it? I mean, I watch Jeopardy! I’m as liberal as all get out.
Don’t forget the source of this article. It’s a Murdoch owned publication, which like Fox News is going to find a “source” to provide the facts that fit their narrative.
Me too! I will go even farther and say that Jeopardy is probably much too intellectual for most MagaMorons.
Having a chuckle trying to picture my MAGA brother answer anything on Jeopardy really anything, but especially about the Bronte sisters 😂
Yeah I don’t see the Jeopardy audience being a huge overlap with the QAnon/MAGA set, as the Jeopardy crowd seems interested in facts, knowledge and history.
Exactly.
Oh puleez… take a second look at these magat boneheads who stormed the Capitol and urinated (and worse) throughout our beautiful house. Not only do they need to be deprogrammed, apparently they need to be potty trained as well.
On a side note, rockin body Katie.
And I bet you none of them are watching Jeopardy! Half of them can’t even SPELL Jeopardy!
They wouldn’t know the meaning either. Any word longer than 2 syllables is beyond their comprehension.
So we can’t say anything which may hurt the feelings of people who voted for the Nazi party? Knowing exactly who this man is and what he did in power.
I thought the liberals were supposed to be the ‘snowflakes’.
we can’t turn into a bunch of Neville Chamberlains. That didn’t fare too well in Europe. We cant appease terrorists. If we wouldn’t give “understanding” to Osama Bin Laden then we shouldn’t give understanding to these folks either.
You have to be sensitive to their feefees! That’s why Trump had to go all Bizarro Mr. Rodgers and tell a bunch of grown-ass Nazis that he loved them and that they were special.
What I still don’t understand about this whole Trump cult is that Trump isn’t charismatic, so how does he inspire this crazy level of obsession and loyalty? There are others in the GOP that are just as crazy and as him, but much more charismatic, so how is he the one that got the masses to rally behind him? I will never understand it.
SA- it’s a defense mechanism. I’ve come to that conclusion. The Trump supporters I know simply don’t want to be told that white privilege is a thing, that immigration is complicated, that LBGTQ+ folks have rights, and women should control their own wombs.
They look to Trump because they feel attacked. He bolsters that. It’s a martyr complex. They want to blame someone for the fact that life is passing them and their antiquated ideologies behind. They can’t handle that America isn’t perfect and that they need to stop trying to live in the 1950s again. Trump tells them no, America is perfect and we can return to that idyllic time. It’s a defense of their privilege and power and a testament to their own insecurities and closed mindedness.
I guess, I just figure there more charismatic people out there who carry the same message of hate and martyrdom.
SA- the fact he’s not charismatic makes him more relatable to his followers. They like he is barely literate and crude. They are too. They are conmen and bullies like him as well.
@Rapunzel, I have to admit, I never considered lack of charisma to be a selling point. Thanks for the perspective!
And they don’t want to be told they’re stupid. That was key. The problem is most are too stupid to realize he would never have anything to do with them except to fleece them. ( and kudos to Bearcat Lawyer below who nailed it!)
Don’t underestimate the role that social media played in bolstering his popularity. The disinformation, QAnon, Russian bots. I think the Russians had a big hand in aiding his popularity through social media.
That makes sense.
“If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket.” – LBJ
Trump figured out that this alone would inspire loyalty. His diehards hate the fact that the world is changing and leaving them behind. What they don’t realize is that Trump is using and abusing them far worse than the people they mock and hate.
“What they don’t realize is that Trump is using and abusing them far worse than the people they mock and hate.”
See that’s where I get lost, I can’t beleive that anyone who follows this man doesn’t see it. He’s not smooth enough to sell the act.
I guess my issue comes down to that I *want* to believe it’s about more than Trump hating all the same people his supporters hate, like I’d rather if they were taken in by some slick conman than if it’s just as simple as Trump gives them permission to live their hate out loud.
All these offers and suggestions to reach out to the other side or “deprogram” is moot and ridiculous at this point (privilege showing once again) and just like contrarians i think trump supporters get a rise from being labeled trump supporters because they know they are popular to hate.
Livealot- it’s a fairytale, isn’t it? You can’t deprogram people who don’t live in reality.
@rapunzel 1000% !
I think I might be afraid of Jeopardy fans now. EW.
I’m more afraid of the producers who are so willing to kowtow to their show’s fans.
The murderous insurrectionist mob of Trump supporters replaced American flags with Trump flags. They were trying to cancel democracy. Anyone on their side isn’t even close to center.
I’m not riled up about Katie’s statements and in this case, you really have to consider the source. I haven’t kept track of what she’s been up to – is that a recent picture?
Whoops. I didn’t see that you made the same point about considering the source which I just reiterated up thread.
I’ve wondered if that’s possible as well. I saw that AOC proposed reinstating a government program that does this. I’m unclear on the details. Is that even possible? Would it even be wise? Seems like a slippery slope.
I still hope that eventually the Trump spell will be broken. We already see some becoming disillusioned and distraught feeling like Trump abandoned them. Even those QAnon people are wondering why what they were promised never happened and even the people running it are like “it’s over, time to go home now.”
I hope with Trump being banned on social media and these apps FINALLY taking steps to stop misinformation, that the steady drip off poison will wear off and people will snap out of it. Not that it will stop them from being racist, homophobic and xenophobic, but will stop them from denying reality (even if they don’t like the reality they are seeing).
The Fairness Doctrine was ended in 1987, and you can trace a direct line to the rise of right wing idiots.
Ah. Thanks!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FCC_fairness_doctrine
Exactly.
My worry is that, historically, we haven’t done a great job with “deprogramming”. America kinda half-assed Reconstruction 150+ years ago, and we’re STILL paying the price for that (hell, the people who need deprogrammed now are basically the same ones as back then. It’s like Groundhog Day with racists).
Saying “let’s deprogram the cultist” is ignoring some facts:
1. There is a reason these people were programmable in the first place: white entitlement and privilege.
2. You are never going to get rid of that reason as long as it’s in the systemic fabric of American institutions.
Katie is one of the best new sources on the internet – she does long form interviews on Instagram. It’s all for her Katie Couric Media platform, she sends out a newsletter every day. But for the most part, the Instagram stuff is the biggest portion of her work now, and she’s not producing that content “for” anybody or any media organization. She has a long leash because she writes her own rules, that’s what I’m trying to say. She even did a very long chat with a cult psychologist about Trump, so she’s not saying this out of nowhere. I’m a broadcast journalist and I couldn’t call trump supporters a cult because that’s “an opinion”, and I’d likely in a little trouble with my boss. I’m currently trying to do a story on what family members should do if their loved one is believing nonsense like QAnon and conspiracy theories – the way around sounding “biased” is to allow the experts to make all the judgments.
She’s not saying “we need to make people liberal”. She’s saying “we need to get people back to reality, where they’re not trying to overthrow the government “. While I disagree with it, there’s nothing wrong with being conservative. There IS something wrong with trying to murder elected representatives because your guy didn’t win.
Then she can pay for it.
It’s so ELITIST and CONDESCENDING to expect people to live in reality. Sigh..
None one:
RW media: You are only allowed to criticize the left.
To be fair, even Biden said that those people who stormed the capital were part of a minority group of extremists. Some people vote republican for reasons other than that they are a Nazi. For example my MIL grew up in Cuba under communism and it was not a good time, so she has always gravitated towards the idea of smaller government because of that.
Lots of people are willing to turn a blind eye to fascism because they fear communism. It makes no sense.
Lots of people are also straight up anti-black. The ones who know better than to say it are quite good at using other issues for cover: taxes and socialism. Lee Atwater knew this well.
It was legit bad living conditions for her in Cuba.
I read an article in vanity fair I think, by a guy who was in the Moonie cult and has since been a cult expert. He was talking about how this is definitely a cult, and the echo chambers people stay in are going to be hard to break into.
He also said that basically everyone is going to have to help reprogram, and you do that by nonjudgementally asking why they believe something, or what the proof is. It sounded kind and gentle, but I don’t know what to do with the rabid ones. Like, they’re spitting on people for wearing masks, I don’t think we’re dealing with the thinking brain, but the lizard one.
I read that too – a very interesting take on how to deal with these rabid MAGAts by being truly curious about their viewpoints and asking them what brought them to their beliefs, instead of arguing with them about how wrong their beliefs are. Here’s the link in case anyone else would like to read it: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/01/can-trumps-cult-of-followers-be-deprogrammed
I don’t like her, but she’s right. One valid criticism is that, from what I’ve read, the term “deprogramming” refers to a practice that is no longer in use. Actual deprogramming as it was carried out in the 70s and 80s involved kidnapping and alleged violence. It’s kind of a matter of semantics because anyone who encounters the term today knows what she means, but those who were familiar with the original definition might bristle at it. The current and less litigious approach is called exit counselling.
Like others, I have a difficult time believing that a show about facts and information is beloved in majority by the party who supported the “I don’t read” president. I am left, and I love the show.
She didn’t say anything shocking or untrue.
Let’s not generalize too much, my parents are conservative republicans, not trump supporters, who love jeopardy and are quite good…that was one show we watched at my parents request, as a family every week night. I have a hard time fathoming putting people in catagories and assuming all are alike as my family is quite diverse in every way.
Yeah, but are they Trump supporters?
There is no way that QAnon Trumpsters are Jeopardy fans – sorry I’m not buying it.