Tom Sykes at the Daily Beast has another exclusive about all of the melodrama and misinformation around Prince Philip’s funeral and the “reunion” of Prince Harry with his brother and father. Some of the quotes in this piece are just as unhinged as you would expect, and it’s very much a case of William throwing a huge tantrum as soon as Harry left the country. Because, I think it’s clear now, William is not man enough to just sit down and talk to Harry face-to-face and clear the air. Incandescent “sources” are still briefing against Harry and Meghan for the terrible crimes of being hot, rich, independent and media savvy too. Some highlights:
Nothing has changed: Speaking to friends of the royals and those in their circles in recent days, the general feeling on all sides is that despite a show of civility after Prince Philip’s funeral, very little of substance has been changed by Harry’s lightning trip back to the U.K last week. The relationship between Harry and Meghan and his family back in the U.K. remains, sources say, deeply fractured and stressed.
William & Charles are super-salty: The royals, in particular William and Charles, still feel just as furious, hurt and betrayed as they did immediately after Harry and Meghan’s interview with Oprah Winfrey. There is a practical desire to make up, sources say, but question marks over how that can happen when everyone feels wronged.
Guess who is incandescent with devastation: William is said to still be particularly devastated by the treatment meted out to his wife. Meghan told Oprah that Kate made her cry in the run up to the wedding, not the other way around, and that Kate would not help her rebut what she claimed was the false version of the story. “To have a go at William is one thing,” said Penny Junor, “But the reality is that although they said they wouldn’t name the person who allegedly asked racist questions about their children’s skin color, Meghan had no compunction throwing Kate under the bus. William is very, very protective of Kate and he is likely to be more upset about attacks on her than he is by the attacks on him. The hurt is so deep it cannot be fixed by a walk.”
Harry doesn’t have “hurt” privilege?? One source with good contacts in the royal establishment told The Daily Beast: “Harry knows how much goodwill there is towards him, how upset Charles and William are, how little they trust him and how much they want to reconcile. And how betrayed they feel. Harry may have been able to hide or not consider these things when stewing away with Meghan in his Montecito mansion; he can’t now. He was trying to own the ‘hurt’ status. He has been dissuaded of that privilege—everyone has been hurt. I think he has been forced to confront the other side as it were. I imagine he is in turmoil now. Confronted with all the magnificence and dignity of royalty, out of military uniform and having given that interview while his grandfather lay dying.”
How will the Cambridges react to Meghan giving birth? Duncan Larcombe, former royal correspondent at The Sun and author of Prince Harry: The Inside Story told The Daily Beast: “There is a real reluctance to get too carried away with what was a good first step. The next real sign we will get of whether the thaw is continuing will come with the birth of Meghan’s daughter. How William and Kate respond to the birth is critical. That will be when the olive branches come out. Because of the event on July 1, Harry has a vested interest in taking any proffered olive branch. The next few weeks are very delicate, but I believe the signs are good.”
Meghan speaking to the Queen & Harry meeting with the Queen: While Larcombe’s point that direct conversation between Meghan and H.M. would represent significant forward movement is certainly correct, there is a risk that the palace might take umbrage, ironically enough, if people.com’s report is correct. Scobie’s report in Harper’s Bazaar which also included a detail that Harry met the queen privately twice could also irritate some senior courtiers. The leaks could be interpreted to suggest that Meghan and Harry are briefing journalists about private conversations with the queen to make themselves look good.
I told you this sh-t was unhinged. The quote from the royal-establishment figure about Harry trying to have “hurt” privilege is psychotic. Harry watched as his wife was racially abused and smeared BY HIS OWN FAMILY. And he spoke about it in an interview, and his family got salty about it. The two sides are not the same. The “hurt” is not the same. And these a–holes need to stop pretending that Meghan “threw Kate under the bus.” Meghan very carefully corrected a MIDDLETON LIE which had been widely reported for YEARS.
Also, sources are already whining to Tom Sykes about how Sussex sources spoke to Omid Scobie this week. Weird that those sources don’t have the same energy for the avalanche of (Willi)leaks in the past two weeks.
Photos courtesy of Avalon Red and WENN.
Winsdors STFU challenge: How hard is it to apologize to Meghan and Harry? They’re too stubborn and evil so I sincerely wish them karma, may they reap what they have sowed. :/
@Aaliyah – This is the problem exactly: The Windsors do not feel they have anything to apologize for.
That’s what massive privilege will do to people, I guess.
Or if they can’t apologise how about just leaving them alone, ignore them , stop briefing against them and move on from them like the sussexes have
Willnot and Cannot hardly showed interest in Archie when he was born, I doubt that they will take much interest in their niece. If Willnot is pissed at Meghan for setting the record straight that is because only he can humiliate Keen Guevara, that is his right as her husband. And we know that Harry met the Queen and that Meghan spoke with her. We don’t know what was said so the courtiers should take a chill pill and look at CH and KP if they are so concerned about leakings. But no, better to concern themselves with the people halfway around the world.
I imagine, with Pippa just having had a daughter, we’ll get another “I’ve already got a niece” from William.
I still cannot believe he uttered those words out loud. Potato-headed asshole.
wait, what? he seriously responded to a question about his brother’s wife expecting a girl with “I’ve already got a niece”
@pottymouth pup, not about baby girl Sussex but he DID say that about Archie around the time of his birth when asked about him — that he already had a nephew (Pippa’s son). Dickhead.
Don’t you just love how Sykes calls the Sussexes’ baby, “Meghan’s daughter”? Already, Harry is removed from the stories to come about Meghan’s evil spawn.
“Meghan’s daughter” — Unbelievable. I just can’t with these stories anymore.
You know that’s a good point- we heard from Michelle Obama about Harry being a fun uncle with George & seen pictures of Harry being playful with Mia Tindall. But there’s zero talk of William as an uncle to Archie.
Even with those fake stories that came out last year about Harry and William zooming or claiming the Queen & Charles miss Archie, I don’t recall any suggestion that Bill was asking about Archie, missing him or sending him presents etc. Even the press don’t try fluffy fan fiction about a connection between Bill & Archie which is telling.
@ABritGuest that is what I find most reprehensible about William. Harry has been used, smeared, and abused since puberty by the media to cover for his brother. Harry knew William knew. Harry still loved and supported his brother. When William started dating Kate, Harry didn’t like her. When William in the end proposed, Harry supported him and welcomed Kate into the family. Even though Kate had been cruel to Harry’s beloved cousins, was always catty to his (Harry’s) girlfriends. When The Cambridge kids were born Harry was the doting, fun uncle. Then Harry meets Meghan and William makes an ass of himself by telling Harry to wait, making racist remarks (because we know that it was him asking about Archie’s skin color), and being generally unpleasant. Still, Harry and Meghan get married, they get pregnant and the smear campaigns against the Sussexes gets bad, Meghan’s mental health suffers (and the Cambridges being hypocrites supporting Heads Together), Harry suffers and William doesn’t care and is actively briefing the tabloids against his brother’s wife. Archie is born and likened to a chimpanzee and William does nothing, is never around his nephew, always frowning around his sister-in-law and badmouthing his brother. William completely shuts out the brother that made and protected his image and he abandons that baby boy that is the blood of his blood to the wolves. No wonder Harry says that their relationship is space. After all they went through William chose to abandon his brother, and now he is surprised and hurt that said brother doesn’t want to talk to him? Well fck William.
I was happy to learn “everyone has been hurt.” Before, it was just Harry and Meghan being hit, day after day, by the tabloids. I’m glad H&M called them out in the Oprah interview.
Meanwhile, the abuse from KP hasn’t stopped. Just this year we got the bullying stories about Meghan, the jewels etc., all of which are far worse than Kate making Meghan cry.
That’s because Archie is the Half-Blood Prince, the Prince Without a Title. They don’t want to acknowledge him.
If the BRF could have pried Harry away from Meghan, the family would have let her keep Archie on the condition she leaves the country.
Getting mad at omid bc he reported they spoke to the queen is just funny.
I know, right? hOw dArE hE rEPoRt fAcTs tO ThE mEdIa?!?!?
They are mad at the fact reporters of color are getting info…Omid, Oprah, Gayle King. The racism is right there for everyone to see.
Sh*t your right… not an old white guy or bitter old prune in the bunch.
I also love how any journalist or reporter who says anything positive about the Sussexes is now referred to by the 🐀Rota as a ‘friend’ of the Sussexes. William is really drawing a line isn’t he: If you say something positive or neutral about Sussexes, you are against me.
“The magnificence and dignity of royalty” = outdated stuffy protocol dressed in fancy clothing paid for by the taxpayers. 🙄
There is no magnificence or dignity in denying Meghan mental health treatment when she was suicidal, asking about Archie’s skin color, or removing her name from his birth certificate.
Err, yeah, no. Seriously, We know they have no dignity and the magnificence is all the gold and fancy stuff they own. It’s not THEM.
You mean that dignity didn’t go out the window when the heir to the throne told his mistress he wanted to be her tampon?
Harry is a Royal, he grew up with that and he know just how much “dignity” his father and brother have. And “magnificence?” BARF. Harry hates that stuff. He liked being in the military with normal people, he wears normal clothes, he can’t stand being stalked by the press. It’s crazy that they are trying to pretend he actually MISSES it because the opposite is true.
Form over substance is their entire reason for being. God, how stifling.
That ship sailed a long time ago. If anything, every now and then they keep reminding us how nasty and vindictive they are. They could keep a dignified silence and allow us to forget, but nah! They are their own worst enemies.
They truly are. It is astounding. I have spent not one second of my life in the public eye, and even I understand the power of the news cycle. The unending smears at the Sussexes, and ridiculous stories about how Kate is the true power behind the monarchy, and Wills’ incandescence, that he is apparently proud of, because he has done nothing to change his countenance in public. He consistently looks irritated with his wife, of whom this article is trying to convince us Will is insanely protective. Uh, no. He constantly looks like he is sucking on a lemon.
Kate’s only power is managing to make him look like a human being, occasionally. I think his best look in years has been the pics Kate took of the kids dog-piling on top of their dad. He looked legit human, for two frozen moments in time.
I really have a feeling that the courtiers are way more salty and hurt than the actual family except Charles and William. I wonder what’s their endgame is because if they think if H&M break up Harry is going to run back to the firm and their image will be magically restored they’re delusional.
Oh the courtiers are upset. Especially because harry and specifically Meghan managed to escape. Remember the whole bullying thing pre interview? They did some dark things to meghan they don’t want out in public.
I wonder how those courtiers managed to have so much power over the royals ? I know that Charles and William are not blameless but those courtiers have a huge responsibility over what happened to H&M
Divorce or no divorce, Harry isn’t coming back.
No, he’s not. One wonders at the inability of both the RF and the tabloids to understand that one fact. You don’t buy a house, have a second child while living in that house, take a job, sign contracts with major multinationals to provide content, and meet with important/powerful people who can advance your causes and interests — then drop it all on someone else’s say-so. Harry and Meghan have made a life for themselves, filled with family, friends, and important work. Time for the Salty White folks to recognize.
But kate the peacemaker , the saviour of the world made sure they solved their issues and brought peace to them
Yeah, which is it? Is Kate the peacemaking family diplomat or the Windsors and the Sussexes still fighting out their cold war? Like what’s going on here?
I. What do I say, baldemort needs to grow the F-up. It’s their loss if they miss out on Harry and his beautiful family. I personally think Archie and baby Cali are way better off without that bitter bunch of betties in their lives. Kate runs to the media, Willy runs to the media, Chucky runs to the media but when Harry and Meg set the record straight then it’s a problem and of course it is, how can willyleaks and company expect to continue to destroy Harry and his family if they keep correcting the narrative.
Harry needs to close up windsor shop and go be happy with his wife and children. Those people will never change so why waste energy and time on them?
Co-signed,
Tom
So right l also co-sign
Harry will never be free of Wills and Chuck because they are family. He knows this. Add to it who this family is, makes even the more difficult to do so.
“I imagine he is in turmoil now. Confronted with all the magnificence and dignity of royalty, out of military uniform and having given that interview while his grandfather lay dying.” The royal rota must vigorously fap to this Harry fantasy every day.
I know, right. Turmoil my ass. He’s blissed out in Montecito basking in the beauty of his palatial estate and nearby beach.
They really don’t know this man. This man spent his twenties wishing he wasn’t a prince and said so on camera. Then he said on camera he rather be in Afghanistan than sit around in Windsor.
It’s also a weird way to describe his grandfather’s funeral – magnificence and dignity. I’m sure as he was burying his grandfather he was thinking “wow, I’m giving all this up.” no, he was thinking about his grandfather.
Harry hated almost everything about being a Royal so being back probably reconfirmed for him that he made the right decision for himself and his family.
They really are so far up their own asses. They have no idea what’s real or fantasy anymore.
Sure Jan. Harry certainly looked like he was in turmoil, barefoot at the beach with Pula. Whatever gets them through the day.
Irene, I think the BM (and brf?) want to continue in some way the whole “Harry is brainwashed, etc.” sh*t that they’ve been spewing all along. This is for the masses in order to convince them that just being back with the brf Harry is now in turmoil (confused?) in order to continue the “dim and brainwashed” crap. It also goes to their desperation. Anyone paying attention knows that there is nothing confused about Harry. You know, I’m starting to think Chuck and Willie are in a panic. I know some of you have been saying this, but this comment really made it clear to me. They really thought Harry would be back. I don’t think the 1 year non review made it clear to them. I think the Oprah interview is what finally convinced them. They don’t have a clue how to go forward now. Welp, I guess they need to get those gold standard advisers on the job!
The refusal of the Firm to take accountability for their treatment of Meghan will bury the house of Windsor. Short-sighted vanity.
Ditto. They might not realize it and think the future will be saved by the brothers reuniting, bit at this point they need meghan just as much. It just hasn’t sunk in with them yet.
omg that comment about experiencing the magnificence and dignity of royalty. because everyone should be so fortunate to have the funeral of their grandfather be a public spectacle broadcast worldwide and have to deal with a weeklong avalanche of melodrama in the tabloids about the dress code and and specific arrangement of the family walking to and from the church, and insane fanboys hiding in a false church column blind to take pictures of everyone at, again, your grandfather’s funeral. Such magnificence, so dignified.
@plums
“ …and insane fanboys hiding in a false church column blind to take pictures of everyone at” is how I know that I am home when I am on CB🤡
I’m not going to read the source material but do they *really* talk about how hurt the racist royals are about Harry’s betrayal interview and spend zero words talking about the racist dog whistle attacks those sane people perpetrated against H&M forcing this situation to be what it is???
Bizarre.
The “Meghan’s daughter” line is so infuriating. Like she isn’t Harry’s daughter too??? Rude AF.
It’s clear that the press and the Royal Family do not accept Harry’s children as being part of the family and we know why?
Exactly, like did she impregnate herself? Or did she have these kids hidden away before she married Harry and now “surprise!”? That the family gets in bed with these press sycophants tell you all you need to know about them.
+1000
I can’t help but relate this to the removal of Meghan’s name from Archie’s birth certificate. They’re different scenarios obviously one being a royal commentator and one being a directive from the palace, but to me that makes it worse (and of course we know it’s not the only example of this kind of framing from RR’s).
The way BOTH parties try to separate Harry and Meghan in the context of their shared parenthood of their children is really pathological and disturbing. Anyone who doesn’t understand why they left England to get away from that type of toxicity is really lacking in empathy.
”William is SO protective of Kate” so he went rosegardening. . . . 🥀
More like he’s afraid of all that Carole knows and will share if he doesn’t treat her daughter well.
I laughed when I read that. William doesn’t care two sticks about what was said about Kate in that interview. He’s mad because of what Harry said about HIM although Harry didn’t name names, or he said the staff were culpable. I think Willie is very concerned about what Harry will say next.
Yep, even after the interview, they don’t try to change their ways. Everything continues as before so the Windsors are digging their graves.
And there is only one way to react when a child is born- hapiness. Someone is bringing new life into this world. This is always a happy thing. Parents of three should know this.
” the birth of Meghan’s daughter”
The reluctance to connect Harry to Meghan’s children is kind of chilling.
I remember reading that Basher and his boring bride have never said Meghan or Archie’s name publicly. True? Any olive branch extended (as if) after Meghan and Harry’s daughter is born would be strictly performative.
I realized this a while back. There is literally NO direct acknowledgment EVER from Bill and Keen in regards to Archie, and definitely not by his name. If someone can find an instance where either of them has ever uttered his name in public, I’d love to see it.
I’m sure William is upset Meghan corrected the crying story – to me, it was a signal from her to the palace that she no longer had to let false stories about her just sit out there for years, she had the agency to correct them herself now. And that’s just unacceptable to William. Its also why they are so salty about Gayle King and the “talks were unproductive” comment – william wanted to push that he was talking to harry and was being the bigger person and was trying to bring harry around etc and he thought he was going to get a solid week of press about it and Harry shot that down real quick.
Anyway the bizarre fixation on the crying story is getting old – I’m not a Kate fan as you all know, but during that part of the interview I thought Kate came off decent. Like, at first when Meghan said “Kate made me cry” I wanted to throw things but then with Meghan’s follow up I thought “well Meghan doesnt seem to hold ill will towards Kate about this and she seems to have forgiven Kate and moved on” – it was the false story being leaked that was the problem for Meghan, not the actual incident once Kate apologized etc. The only way that was throwing Kate under the bus was if Kate gave that story to Camilla Tominey so that Meghan correcting it meant Kate was lying to the press. (which we know is pretty much what happened.)
It is a bit weird that he wanted to come of as the bigger person and that we are now getting stories about who william is so angry with harry that he apparently threw a tantrum because he didn’t want to walk next to him etc etc. Post interview pr the goal was to make william sound like the bigger person. Post funeral pr they are going the complete opposite route.
Yeah, I actually thought Kate came off kind of decent too. Meghan downplayed the whole thing and made it sound like a misunderstanding, which is why I find it funny that Will & KP are SO furious and defensive about the truth coming out.
That, to me, proves that the campaign against Meghan is not about protecting Kate or even the monarchy–it’s about Will being angry that he no longer has power over the black woman that stole his brother.
I think the Palace and the press are frantically focusing on the ‘Kate made Meghan cry’ story to distract attention from the rest of what was said. It’s not Harry and Meghan who are throwing Kate under the bus.
It might explain all the embiggening Kate stories too. Kate and Carol know how these things work. If Kate has been picked as the latest target to deflect from Charles and William, she has a problem.
@talia i think you are right about the kate made meg cry story. And it also offers an explanation as to why these kate the great story have been seriously unhinged as of late. But carole (and kate) don’t have to worry as negative stories about kate (or stories about kate in general) don’t really generate any traffic. Unless the royals have some serious dirt on keen, which is why camp middleton are pushing this “kate the victim” narrative
Never underestimate this family’s ability to take a decent story and make it five times more damaging for themselves personally. It’s a special skill!
Seriously, Meghan gifted Kate a huge out – she apologized, we’re cool now – and these sources keep coming back with it as “an attack on Kate”. They never deny the story, and in fact tacitly confirm Meghan’s version that Kate apologized. I’d love to as Juror to point to exactly what she is calling “an attack on Kate”. Where? Do they mean she feels attacked by…the things she actually said and did? 🤔
I do think that Kate is viewed as one of the more “sympathetic” royal family members, which is why they are trotting her out. The queen would probably garner the most sympathy, which is why they keep trying to say that H and M disrespected or hurt the her, but it’s not sticking.
Yes, and can I just add — least we forget —- that Oprah asked the question. Neither of the Sussexes had any idea what questions Oprah would ask. All these 🐀Rota follow-up stories make it sound like Meghan just volunteered this without being asked. If she had said, ‘no comment’, can you imagine what the 🐀Rota would have made of that? In the interview you can see she is leery of responding and then frames her answer in a way that is about how a story is blown out of proportion or in error when reported and the lack of correction….that was where her answer was. That story was wrong, everyone knew it was wrong, but no correction was allowed. I thought Meghan was extremely magnanimous in what she said about Kate. The response since the interview is pure Orwell 1984 doublespeak!
Agree absolutely that Meghan was extremely magnanimous in how she spoke about Kate. But I do understand why Will and Kate are so angry about it; they are angry about it bc no matter how magnanimously Meghan corrected this story, they and esp Kate come across as gigantic assholes. There’s no way getting around it. No matter how nicely Meghan said the reverse happened, the correction reveals that Kate truly is a mean girl, no where close to a supportive SIL, or even close to a decent human being. In correcting the story the way she did, Meghan illustrated her kindness and highlighted Kate’s lack of kindness. And the Cambridge’s know it, which is why the story is now spun that Meghan attacked Kate in the interview. They are trying to detract from the toxic truth that is Kate and Will. I kinda think this story won’t die bc it so easily encapsulates the gaslighting that Meghan went through to the point that the story almost feels symbolic or allegorical at this point.
I think there’s something else behind the RF being soooo overly pissed off and affronted about Harry clarifying to gayle king about the phone calls after the Oprah interview. Harry just saying “the talks were unproductive” doesn’t seem like enough for them to be so upset over, especially since they themselves have been saying that the funeral talks were unproductive. I’m wondering if what they’re actually mad about is that Harry told Gayle that no one reached out to Meghan, none of the family had spoken to Meghan after the Oprah interview. But again, I’m not sure why that would send them over the edge either? Maybe because it called back to the South Africa when Meghan said that not many people ask her if she’s okay. Or it reinforces what she said in the interview that no one in that family cares for her or wanted to help her out especially in times of crisis. Meghan was the one who was hurt the worst during the Sussexes time with the firm, and the interview was mostly about her and her time there—she had the first hour to herself—and she talked about how bad it was for her to the point of being suicidal, and if the firm supposedly didn’t know how bad it all was, and if they supposedly don’t have an issue with her personally, then why wouldn’t they have spoken to her afterwards to either apologize or ask if she’s okay or just say that they wish her well? I kind of think the “nobody talked to meghan” part is the big thing there.
Or maybe it is just that Harry was the one who got to say the talks were unproductive when William wanted to make it seem like *he* was the one who shut Harry down. He wanted to be the one to decide that the talks were not to his liking and he didn’t get what he want, therefore they were unproductive because Harry wasn’t contrite enough for him. But by Harry saying it first, it made it seem like Harry was the one who didn’t get what he wanted from the talks. I doubt that William wanted to go for a reconciling narrative though and that’s why he was mad that Harry outed the talks as not productive, because even after the funeral we’re seeing William leaking that he’s still mad at Harry and he iced him out and isn’t ready to forgive him, and that the talks weren’t enough and it will take a long time for William to get over the “hurt” Harry caused him.
Can’t get over how rapidly William is ageing. In that first photo he looks 60+.
He is starting to resemble Vladmir Putin
You mean Vlad, the other sexy bald man? Lol!
As awful and dastardly as Putin is, him riding shirtless on a horse is still easier on the eyes than Will doing the same thing would be….lol
He looks like increasingly like Albert of Monaco. Make of that what you will.
No. Just no. Putin is evil incarnate.
That establishment expert is laying all the blame on Harry.
Will can be protective of Kate but Harry is not allowed to protect Meghan. Will is allowed to feel betrayed but Harry must recognize the shame and hurt he brought on his family.
Not one establishment figure or royal expert has owned the damage they have and continue to do to Meghan.
Exactly. Only certain members of the family are allowed to have feelings. How in any way is that a healthy family?
They want to be oppressed victims so bad. The hell is a ‘hurt’ privilege? It’s like they are admitting that they hurt Harry at the same time that they are denying it. So you acknowledge you wronged him, but now say it’s okay because he hurt you back too? If a person punches you after you repeatedly kick them, it’s not the same thing. Imagine equating all the backstabbing and scheming to a person having to correct the lies afterwards.
‘Hurt privilege’ is ‘white privilege’s kissing cousin.
I still maintain that Harry should stay far, far away from that statue unveiling in July. The way William’s outlets go on and on about it, it’s clear that they’re trying to use the event as a tool to dominate Harry again.
Besides, it’s just a statue. Next to a mansion where his mother lived when she was very unhappy, in a country that no longer welcomes his wife and children. I still maintain that a better memorial to Diana would be to dedicate a hospital wing or charitable program in her name in Cali. Something that carries on her work and allows her grandchildren to witness, and someday contribute to, that work.
“Besides, it’s just a statue. Next to a mansion where his mother lived when she was very unhappy, in a country that no longer welcomes his wife and children. ”
That right there beautifully sums up why he shouldn’t go.
Exactly. its just a statue. I don’t know why they expect Harry to place that of more importance than his wife and children, especially a brand new baby. Of course that’s because the same people don’t recognize the wife and children as actual human beings.
goodpuff, when I read your comment it occurred to me that it’s a great opportunity for the brf and BM to announced to the world that the Firm & brf are more important to Harry than his new baby girl. No wonder they want him back for the statue unveiling.
1) I don’t even understand why they want Harry to come if they’re supposedly so super upset at him, and are refusing to speak to him, and will never forgive him, and he’s the worst person ever who is just trying to hurt them all the time, and they’re worried that he’ll just leak everything to the press about his visit and who he sees and talks to while he’s there
And 2) how the hell do they think he would even want to come now after all the articles the family has pushed about how unwanted he was at the funeral, and how it was super awkward to plan the whole thing and then to have him there, and how people just ignored him, and no one wanted to talk to him but the people who did talk to him came away pissed off and angry except for Kate who is the perfect pretty peacemaker drooling all over him and building herself up off of Harry’s attendance at a funeral. Like who would willingly go back and do a favor for their family again when just a couple months ago the family screamed to the tabloids about how unwanted you were and how awkward you made everything at the last family event? Even if Harry were planning on going before, the crap that’s come out of his going to the funeral would be enough to make him rethink his statue attendance plans.
It’s seriously like they just want him there so they can give him the cold shoulder and make him feel unwanted and then bully him in the press afterwards. So why would he go?
PERFECTLY said, Beana!! *chef’s kiss* at your analysis.
They might try to dominate Harry but William proves over and over again that he can’t. Harry has emotional maturity, poise, calm and control. William is out of control and cannot stop. My god this is all amazing to watch, in real time, the undoing of the heir to the British throne!
Would love it if his meeting with Wallis Annenberg was about memorializing Diana in some way.
That would be so cool if the Annenberg Foundation was helping Harry do something big in Diana’s name! 🤞
If I were Harry and Meghan, I would take that salt and line my margarita glass with it and toast to a job well done. Meghan will need a non-alcoholic drink of course, but the idea stands.
Margaritas, mmm…
Margaritas rimmed with the salty tears of Incandescent Island, double mmm…
While basking in the warmth of the California sun. A Norman Rockwell painting indeed.
@L84Tea-My first thought was that sounds perfect. Then I realized the salty tears would come from poisonous people and we don’t want to ingest that.
Salt from their salty tears could be used in a cleansing burning salt ritual while enjoying a safe margarita.
The real story is that the Harry and Meghan as family pariah story is blown to bits as H&M are still having contact with the only person who really matters at this time. Her Majesty is still her Majesty doing exactly what she pleases and talking and seeing whom she pleases witnerss her ongoing visits with Andrew and Fergie. She is sending a clear message to all. Not yet, this is still my crown.
I equate the RFs “hurt” at the “betrayal” of the Oprah interview to be equal to the “hurt” Ike Turner must have felt when What’s Love Got To Do With It was released in theaters. Hurt at being exposed worldwide as an abusive criminal.
I can’t believe they put this stuff out with a straight face.
I can’t help it, but i love this analogy! Perfection.
Great comparison!
“ I think he has been forced to confront the other side as it were. I imagine he is in turmoil now. Confronted with all the magnificence and dignity of royalty, out of military uniform and having given that interview while his grandfather lay dying.” “
This quote is so, so gross!!
It’s gross that so many “commoners” buy into this garbage. Do people really need somebody to view as their superiors so badly that they can see the royals as perfect and above reproach?
This entire piece is nonsense and as long as the Royal Family believes that they are the victim in this, Harry is never going to return to the fold. Admitting that the Royal Family was in the wrong is to admit to being racist, xenophobic, bullying and in league with the press, they’re never going to take responsibility. I cannot wait for the outrage from the press and KP when Harry doesn’t come for the statue unveiling.
Will Prince Charles be there? Its a statue honoring his mother for Pete’s sake. Of course he will be there. He doesn’t have to stay one minute longer than the presentation before he can leave but he dont forget he does have relatives on his mother’s side who will very likely be there and he might want to see them too.
You honestly think that Harry is going to leave Meghan with a newborn, in the middle of a pandemic, to be used as a prop by KP?
It’s a statue? why does he have to be there instead of with his family? Its a hunk or rock he can see any time he needs to. I hope he places more importance on his family (wife and children) then a statue.
This whole episode is very interesting to see how media propaganda works. For years we had these leaks to the press about people in the firm disliking Meghan, her making everyone cry, William cautioning Harry about the relationship, William dropping Harry, Charles distancing himself from Harry, senior royal saying she was Harry’s degree wife, reports KP staff hated her, leaked nicknames like Me-gain & Harry the hostage. We also hear that a palace source was trying to aid the Fail’s defence in Meghan’s case.
Harry& Meghan then go on camera & say yes it was a difficult environment, Harry realised being with Meghan was going to be hard, his family weren’t supportive after a while particularly with the press, his dad stopped taking his calls. But Oprah is meant to be this big betrayal & suddenly the royal family are presented as the victims? Issue is some wanted to be nasty in peace& achieve their goal (drive Meghan out) but just don’t want to be called out on it.
Omid was suggesting on a podcast that the statute unveiling may be delayed. Could be to ensure Harry can attend or maybe it’s not actually ready. his attendance should just be about honouring his mother like the funeral was just about sending off his grandfather. But talk around these events seem to suggest it’s about ‘reconciliation’ aka rehab the royal family’s image by having the brothers appear together which is unfair.
I hope Harry demands that it be delayed so that he can have his entire family there to honour his mother with him and WiCan’t won’t be able to hog the spotlight by pushing their kids toward the cameras.
I agree. Diana is grandmother to Harry’s two children also, and they should be there.
About the media propaganda, you’re so right! I honestly feel like that’s what has kept me interested for this long. If the UK media hadn’t continued smearing the Sussexes every chance they got, I don’t even think I would be that interested in them as a couple. Of course I would’ve loved seeing pics of their kids and hearing about what they’re up to every once in awhile, same as I did with the Cambridges prior to all of this going down. But now I’m obsessed and I can’t look away because the UK media is so insane. Watching the escalation of the media’s propaganda and abuse has been like watching a slow motion trainwreck, it’s like a season of The Crown happening in real time.
I find their work exciting, rather than the abuse heaped on them by the palaces.
Let’s be real. If the Cambridges could never utter Meghan’s or Archie’s names, could never acknowledge their existence (after that Fab 4 event), make eye contact with Meghan, barely recognize Harry as anything other than a distraction (at best, whipping boy in reality) from their own malfeasance, they are not going to do anything to welcome Baby Girl Sussex. Maybe a tweet, but anything from that quarter is pure performative bullshit.
This whole article is bizarre in the extreme. Those people all need serious and long term therapy.
Yep agree–they’re not going to welcome Baby Girl Sussex. I expect it will be radio silence from them, even on social media. William really is that small, petty, and jealous for attention.
I don’t think it will be total silence, as that would be really obvious and telling that they want to keep this drama going. But there won’t be much more than a “congrats” Tweet and that will be that.
I just don’t want to see their sour faces at the Baby Girl Sussex christening.
I don’t think H&M will do a traditional christening for this baby, or at any rate it won’t be the formal do and they CERTAINLY won’t be going back to the UK for it.
It will be a totally private christening in Montecito if, in fact, they want her christened.
Yup totally agree but Tom Sykes and these royal adjacent seem unhinged like do they really believe all their theories? Are they or are we in an alternate universe? Anytime I read royal expert papers I wonder if I am sane….
Penny Junor, “The hurt is so deep it cannot be fixed by a walk.”
Meghan Markle, “Oh, I agree.”
William is “protective” of his wife, but throws a tantrum when Harry is ALSO protective of his wife?
Did William (and the UK tabloid press) really think Harry would just sit by and let them antagonize Meghan? The dude who said, ON CAMERA, that be hates the UK and the press???
Harry never said he hated the UK, he said he hated England because of the press there. If it wasn’t for the press, he would have no problem with England. And of course he said he hates the English press. He never mentioned anything about the Scottish or Welsh or Northern Irish press, he specifically called out the English press.
They did. Royal commentators like Arthur Edwards trashed Meghan & then were surprised that Harry stopped talking to them. They also commented that the family hoped Harry would return alone after the one year review. No mention of Archie even.
Meghan & ‘her’ children, feelings etc don’t matter to the press & apparently to the family. That’s also why this reconciliation talk omits Meghan & need for the family to make things right with HER
William’s idea of being “protective” of his wife is making sure she doesn’t make any more stupid blunders that make him look equally stupid. Harry’s is to protect his wife (and son) from intolerable, unhinged and dangerous acts of racism from the tabloids, courtiers and his own unhinged family.
I won’t believe for even a second William is “devastated” on behalf of Kate, pff.
And this “..confronted with all the magnificence and dignity of royalty”, lmfao what dignity are they talking about? I see none.
Will is angry solely because the portion of this debacle that involves Kate reflects badly on HIM. End of. Husbands who are protective of their wives don’t share their wandering scepter with family friends.
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“With the birth of MEGHAN’s daughter???” WTAF. She didn’t get pregnant by herself. How dare these dusty-ass puckered assholes, continually trying to erase Harry’s children from the narrative. The Sussex kids don’t need “family” like that. Meghan and Harry will give them a perfectly wonderful life with the family that loves them unconditionally, and that includes blood (Doria) as well as family that is made.
A few years ago I went through this realization that I absolutely hated the interpersonal dynamics whenever my family would get together. Every single family event was beyond miserable. I went to therapy and started learning techniques to keep myself out of the fray. Interestingly, the more I refused to participate in our usual behavior, the more my family seemed to lean into the manipulation that had previously worked so well. But once I was wise to it, seeing that manipulative behavior just hardened my desire to not be around it. It seems like the same thing happened with Harry.
Now that he’s out and he has his own family that provides positive love, he doesn’t have any need for their toxic behavior. The Royal Family still sees themselves as Harry’s “real” family and can’t comprehend that he would choose a Black American over them. The more his family tries to gaslight him and manipulate him, the more he probably feels reassured in his choice to GTFO.
That line about hurt privilege is very Sharon Osbourne “ don’t you cry…I should be the one crying”. Also, the royal reporters are so annoying how they frame everything around these incredibly privileged, pompous white guys, Chuck and Will, as though their feelings are so hurt while not ever mentioning their behavior toward Meghan and Harry mentioned in the interview. They’re just pissed they were outed and they know that we know. We all saw the racism, jealousy and nasty press attacks, but to have it confirmed is what bothers them. They were also salty long before that interview. What I want to know is why the royals thought this racist behavior and press attacks were perfectly ok. As for throwing Kate under the bus, Meghan held back and was easy on her. Every article written about future keen queen always takes a nasty swipe at Meghan. Why should Meghan uphold Kate’s lie just because Kate coasted on that lie and the subsequent propaganda to now form a fundamental part of her identity and brand? She can keep crying.
The dark side of family politics is that some have permissions and others do not. It is sad that there hasn’t been more work within the family for more than a decade. Charles is entering the twilight of his life, and I doubt he has the ability to mentor – he certainly does not have a willing partner in his spouse. It will be at a loss of the changes he wants to make for a better world.
I agree that William has certainly is purposeful within his family relationships, for his children as well as he seems to have replaced H&M with the Tindells…a bit unfairly that they have often been in the side position. It seems Wills wants H&M to be aside, how can that not be hurtful to Harry or M, who both contended with royal notoriety and often to the benefit of the other royals.
I have a tremendous amount of respect for Kate and wish that she will be more intentional. If the British Monarchy wants to be seen as a contemporary force for positive change, this truly is not the time to pullback and brace for negative publicity. Surely, they have within their capacity people who can better advise them?
Elle, the people advising them don’t know what they’re doing. We’ve seen the results of their advise and leaking for the last 4 years. Also, I don’t agree that Willie wants H&M to be “aside”. He wants Harry to come back alone without his wife and children, which must be one of the tenants of the Church of England. I was raised Catholic, so I don’t know anything about the CoE. Obviously, divorce and abandoning children is okay within that church. And, W doesn’t want Harry to be “aside”. He wants him to be part of he threesome, do all of the work so that W can take all of the credit. That will make W very happy. Katie will be happy because Harry will be right there beside her to flirt with and if she had her way (IMO) as a side dish. And, this is what they think Harry is supposed to want to do? Interesting.
@saucy I was raised Catholic too and man, for heads of state, the Royals are super-glib about divorce and adultery and their family in general. Publicly and shockingly super-glib. They also don’t place any value on family. I mean the mafia and basic street gangs display more familial loyalty and love than the royal family. “I already have a nephew “ I still can’t believe I heard that.
They acted like jerks at Harry’s wedding but maybe they act appropriately at weddings where the family likes both the bride and the groom. I guess that they did seem appropriately upset at a funeral for 99 yr old…but they didn’t seem to care when Diana died and she was 36.
In this way, Harry is really more like an American than a royal family member, and his mom seemed more like this too: genuinely caring about family, taking marriage vows seriously (she tried!) and being a real parent (we all try!).
ElleE, “In this way, Harry is really more like an American than a royal family member, and his mom seemed more like this too: genuinely caring about family, taking marriage vows seriously (she tried!) and being a real parent (we all try!).”
What an interesting statement–and I think true. Harry fits in here very well. I can’t even imagine other members of the brf being able to do so. Harry must literally be one of the happiest people in the world because he lives in California. It’s possible that for the first time he feels that “he fits” in his life.
That is why I felt Harry would do okay moving here to America. Yes, he of course may miss family and friends in England. But he seems to have a warmth and openness to his personality that would fit right in here, especially in California.
There’s something so creepy and weird about how that Larcombe quote refers to the Sussexes unborn child as only “Meghan’s daughter”. They want Harry to abandon his family and come back to the UK so bad. Everyone seems really salty that he’s so dedicated to Meghan and their family and it’s coming out in weird ways like this from palace sources.
They just refuse to acknowledge that Harry has no regrets, he seems to be happy and even thriving in CA and he doesn’t miss being in the UK and working as a royal AT ALL. They are completely unhinged lmao
Also, I’m so tired of this dumb trope they keep repeating that Meghan somehow “threw Kate under the bus”. As if Kate is the victim because Meghan had ‘the nerve’ to correct a lie in the press that they’ve been beating her over the head with for the last 3 years. It happened 3 years ago and we’re STILL hearing about this!!! The way they contort every single story to make Kate the victim is just astounding. Not a good look for the future queen at all
William is not okay unless Harry is worse. Kate is not okay unless Meghan is worse. Everyone around them agrees with this. They need psychological help. And the monarchy needs to end. These people are a waste of money.
These idiots need to quit. Until they apologize to the Sussex’s they need to have a seat.
Let Bitter Island double-down on its racism. The world takes note.
The phrase “The birth of Meghan’s daughter.” makes me want to scream. What the holy fu$k is that? It is their child, conceived in love. I’m so tired of these sick fu$ks that will do anything for money. ANYTHING.
“William is said to still be particularly devastated by the treatment meted out to his wife.” If Bill wants his wife to feel better, he could start with not cheating on her. Would probably boost her spirits
Megan said that “Kate was a good person” in her interview. Does that mean something else in the queens English compared to American English?
The truth is that Prince William is a lot worse that Charles because he has a difficult temper and tend to be abusive. Harry’s issue is that he is still trying to figure his family out. He can’t see it in them. He is under the illusion that he could somehow reconcile with them. I think it’s too late for that. I also think that as time comes Kate won’t be that happy around William.
@ Elisabeth Dudo-“Harry’s issue is that he is still trying to figure his family out. He can’t see it in them. He is under the illusion that he could somehow reconcile with them. I think it’s too late for that.”
I don’t believe he is under any illusion about reconciling-at all. Don’t think he is trying figure out family in England out. He knows exactly who they are. More importantly, he knows who he is. It’s either the BTM or RF or both that are stuck on the reconciliation concept. Harry has worked hard on becoming the man he is today and he’s probably more comfortable with who he is now than who he’s ever been. The British tabloid media and members of his family in England didn’t want him to grow up or become something other than a sidekick or their own personal marionette. His family right now is Meghan, Archie, future baby girl and the tight group of people who have really been there for him the last few years. Too much BS from The Firm doesn’t have him concerned with a reconciliation at this point.IMHO
A couple of interesting links-love this part in particular…
He returned to Afghanistan, now as “Captain Wales.” The Taliban leaders got wind of his return and called for his head. That didn’t scare this badass and his missions were more ramped up. In true veteran fashion, he was straight out of f*cks to give.
https://www.wearethemighty.com/mighty-trending/prince-harry-military-service/
From 2013:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/jan/21/prince-harry-afghanistan
In another unusually frank exchange, he aimed biting criticism at the media, particularly the Sun, the Daily Mail and the Daily Telegraph, three of the royal family’s most ardent supporters in Fleet Street. He said he was particularly annoyed at articles comparing his role as an Apache co-pilot gunner to Spitfire crews waiting to scramble during the second world war. “No it’s not like that at all,” he said. “I don’t know who quoted that.” Referring to the phone-hacking scandal that hit News International, he said: “I think it was probably the Sun newspaper, but because we haven’t got mobile phones out here they obviously can’t bug our phones so they don’t know what we’re saying.”
Quess what royalist, the royals are not victims. Talk about throwing a rock to see what dog hollers, well two are hollering. Williams wasn’t even mentioned much during the Oprah interview. My goodness he has told on himself, and Charles is still the thin skinned, petty man he was during the diana years.
Mores the pity.